Manchester United Banter Archive April 06 2014

06 Apr 2014 20:55:13
Earlier on in the season I mentioned I thought Morgan schneiderlin would be a quality signing. With the season getting closer to finish and more games have passed, what do people think of him and would you be happy if he was signed?

{Ed004's Note - I would be}

I think he is a very good young player who would be a great addition to our squad. I too championed his earlier in the season. He alone would not sort our midfield, but he would be an excellent signing to play alongside someone like Vidal for example. It is widely expected that United will make 4 or 5 signings in the summer, but they won't all be "world class" ( I know, a phrase too readily used). If we can get 2 or 3 top class players, a couple of good young players would compliment that very well and would make it a very successful transfer window. I think Schneiderlin fits that profile very .

All this conspiracy theories with refs is pure BS. Yes some penalties/fouls are given, yes some players are booked/sent off, while others are let go. If you believe Refs are biased, good luck finding the arc of the covenant.

Not a conspiracy theory but an observation on a team that has won quite a few (five or six I believe) penalties this year from diving and not by just one player, but everyone across their front three and Coutinho does it too. Go ahead and check it out, they dive and have been awarded penalties like no one else.

It sure stirred up a hornets nest LOL

The referring in the PL is generally poor and not a week goes by that these guys do not have a howler.

Liverpool have had several "Spanish" penalties this season and have had a lot of good fortune. But as they say, you make your own luck. As much as it pains me to say it, they are where they are on merit, not luck. They deserve to be up there, though I still think City and Chelsea will finish above them.
Despite their good season, the only new items that will need polishing at Anfield this summer are Brenda's teeth:)

GCU your hatred for Liverpool is embarrassing, we win so many penalties because we actually take the game to the opposition instead of sitting back all timid like you lot, you also have some of the worse divers in the league in Young and Nani.

I read a fact the other day about Rodgers, how his Swansea side had something like 15 penalties in the Championship and 13 in the Premiership, which proves it's his philosophy that causes this.

WE'RE GOING TO WIN THE LEAGUE!

P.s Sorry if this is posted twice, it said I wasn't logged in.

Oh GCU, five or six? grow up, at most one, Sturridge against your shower. And he'd skinned Vidic anyway.

This from a team with Januzaj, Young, Nani and more recently Shrek (swan dive, Bayern) proving to be some of the worst divers in the league.

See you on ITV 4

Plymouth

I agree BR trains his teams well, You lot are the spanish version of an english team and excellent at coning refs and a diving team.

He also never sees anything wrong with them either but then again he thinks Suarez is an outstanding citizen too, I think you should give him the keys to the city:)

5 or 6 walton go check out the figures.

Liverpool fans,

Remember the last 20 years when you guys said the only reason we won the league every year was because of the refs and how they were scared of fergie? Not nice is it.

Never heard so many hypocrits in my life.

GCU that's why I said the other week it was like the 70's and 80's - we look crap and boring at times and Liverpool are near the top and Mr Pen is one of their top scorers.

06 Apr 2014 14:08:26
Just out of interest what would everyone's preferred result be in the Everton arsenal game to gives us the best chance of a higher placed finish. I'm undecided whether a draw would be better to still hope for 4th or an arsenal win for 5th considering we still have to go to goodison!

As a foot note I really hope we look at Ross Barkley in the summer.

Even if we win the remaining games I can't see us finishing above 6th place so I've no interest.

Everton win for me :)

Prefer Everton to win as Arsenal have won the 4th place cup too often
Everton when we play them will provide us with far more of a challenge than Newcastle did

Carloto,

What a terrible attitude, we have to be there or thereabouts if arsenal or Everton or both let us in. If we beat Everton and arsenal don't win their next 2 games we will have a chance, it's very unlikely don't get me wrong but we can't give up, winning the last 6 games would be great going into next season, and shutting the Everton fans up would be great in a couple of weeks.

Interesting result, it keeps our hopes alive for 4th place. If we win at Goodison, it would make it very interesting. Need arsenal to drop some more points :)

Why is the fact that I have no interest in the Everton Arsenal game showing a terrible attitude? I believe we can win every game remaining but don't believe those above will drop enough points for us to overtake them. It's called realism.

Carloto, you'll get used to gds, he's like the opinion police on here as his is the only opinion that counts, his other job is defending sydney to the death not that he needs defending.

Youse ain't catching us.we will destroy your deams at goodison soon

I love it should get fantastic odds on us against the you lot.

Midfield general

He's not the police, he's a regular respected poster, something you should perhaps aspire to.

God, you won't get better odds than I got when we won at your ground

Oh I am so upset now and that really hurt and very original. LOL

The manchester teams will put an end to any scouse uprising I say LOL.

{Ed025's Note - joining forces with the noisy neighbours now GCU?..oh how things have slipped.. :)

Midfield general,

You got a personal problem or something? Read all my posts, I assume me agreeing with Sydney a couple of times in 4 years is me 'defending him to the death'. I don't think this post said my opinion was the only one that matters, I think that the attitude of thinking we don't stand a chance is a rubbish one, it was hardly offensive.

Thanks AJH for 'defending me to the death' much appreciated young sir ;)

Ed025

Desperate times calls for desperate measures LOL. The post was really about the red half.

I am okay with the blue half although some of your fans need to settle down and have to stop trolling this page.

For some reason your lot suddenly think they are a rival for us, which is a ludicrous thought and there seems to be resentment about the managers move and us bidding for one players from your team, which is quite childish.

The size of the 2 clubs are like David and Goliath and one good season by you guys and one bad one for us does not make us rivals or put us on par. Order will be restored next year, I guarantee you that or maybe even this year. beware of United as they say :)

Teams like Villareal, Getafe, Real Sociadad, Real Betis also had the occasional great seasons but that does not make them on par with RM or Barca.

{Ed025's Note - you are right GCU, there are no comparisons between the two sides, the fact is...we are far superior!..and while it may be only temporary, we will enjoy every minute of it mate..

Ed025

LOL, I preferred you when you were giving the pool and arsenal fans some stick.

{Ed025's Note - no one is immune to a bit of stick GCU, I just defend my clubs corner mate, I'm sure you lot will be back shortly, but you know what they say... Never give up the opportunity of kicking someone when they are down.. :)

06 Apr 2014 11:20:53
I thought we were distinctly average. Against a poor Newcastle side, we should have had 6 or 7. Apart from a key part in the goals what did Kagawa contribute? Lindegaard made a few good saves but looked shaky. Mata may have scored 2 but he could have done so much more. Some of you need to calm down

LOL

Nice one, AJH.

AJH, as the saying goes, one penguin doesn't make a summer! I agree with you to an extent, but I don't think anyone is getting carried away. Its just nice to see us playing some good football and scoring goals. After the rubbish we have been watching for the last few months, there is nothing wrong with celebrating progress. We are all quick enough to criticise when we lose, so nothing wrong with being happy when we win, even if the opposition is not too great.You can only beat what is in front of you.
Beating a few mid table teams does not mean we are title contenders next season. The rebuilding will take time, be it with Moyes in charge or not. Like I said, nobody is getting carried away. But surely winning
4-0 away to a team that not long ago beat us at Old Trafford is worthy of a little bit of praise? If nothing else it gives the team a bit of confidence going into the biggest game of our season.

If we won 20-0 some people would still be moaning

{Ed002's Note - Yes, about the 14th goal which was clearly offside.}

Captain Betty Swollocks - The latest casualty to Gen. AJH's sarcastic missiles - Pigtail that

Deeps.

Betty I thinkk u didn't realise that Ajh was being sarcastic loll. He was aiming at those people hu complain even when we win last llollz.

LOL,

Penguin? Very funny Ed. I suppose now we can expect a reply from a certain feathered friend!

{Ed002's Note - We cannot allow sexually explicit discussion.}

Ed 002 not travelling is always good for the site. I hope ed 007 is not giving you a hard time ;-)

Deeps.

{Ed002's Note - I will be leaving for the airport within the hour.}

Oooops! To be honest, AJH's post looked genuine to me. Because of all the negative stuff on here, it reads just like so many others. Perhaps I should have known better simply because it was AJH!

Fair play though. I get me coat!

Lol Betty, I knew someone would bite but not you.

AJH, I would love to give an excuse about time zones, jet lag, hangover or even dementia etc. But I can't! I am just a gullible cretin who just read the first part of your post and jumped to a conclusion. Simples :)
The words hook, line and sinker come to mind. I am truly ashamed :)

I was particularly proud of the "apart from his part in the goals, what did Kagawa do" comment

Just rub it in a bit more why don't you?
I suppose I shouldn't be too hard on myself though after reading all those "bites" to Brendans post on April Fools Day lol.

You've got to love good quality sarcasm :-)

While we're at it, I'm glad no Liverpool fan got upset with GCU's post above, I have found they are the most fair, open minded fans in football and always willing to admit when they, or one of their own, do wrong.

Now that is scarasm!

Scarasm? :-)

06 Apr 2014 10:41:50
Shinji Kagawa: The real deal or not?

He divides opinion more than any other player! So is he world class as some say or maybe just a player who had 2 great seasons in Germany and not really hit those heights again in the premier league? Now I personally was delighted when we signed him and thought he had a wonderful pre-season in his 1st year. However since then I must admit i've been disappointed in him and feel he has simply not done enough to justify the hype.
Many people on this forum seen to be in love with him and tell us how wonderful he has played when we walk over piss poor teams like West Ham and Newcastle but the stats don't lie and no goals and 2 assists this season is not great. Last season's stats were better be again not exactly what I would call world class. I feel he does flatter to deceive slightly in that a few clever balls or a wonderful back heel gets people excited but in modern football you need to bring more to the party than that! People then come out with the same old arguments like he's played out of position and the best one is that it's the other players fault for not being on his wave length!
I'm just trying to be objective here and get people thoughts on his performances for us so far? There's no doubt he is afforded an affection from many fans that the likes of Cleverley and Fellani certainly do not get!
Whether or not they deserve that is another question but at times when either of those players have a good game not many are quick to say it! For the record I dislike Cleverley and feel he is not good enough for Manchester United and as for Fellani I feel we paid way too much for him but since his return from injury his performances have improved. He's not set the world alight but we all knew he would never really be the answer alone to our midfield problems.
So back to Shinji Kagawa. I think myself the words world class are used far too often and to get that tag you need to perform consistently to a very high standard, something as yet he has not done.
Can he improve with a decent run in the team? Maybe or maybe not. He has been here 2 years now so can say he's still adjusting to life in the prem. He will now get in our team behind the front man as the role is and should be for Mata. So that leaves him starting from the left or interchanging in a 3 behind the front man. In my opinion that would leave us slightly weak defensively playing both him and Mata in the same team. Yes it looked good yesterday when we played Newcastle and had all the ball but it would not look as good against say Bayern on Wed with 26% possession!
Just some thoughts to get us going on a Sunday and love to hear what you guys think?
Just to throw another argument in before I go I personally would have found a place for him in a midfield 2 with either Carrick or Fellani because despite me feeling he doesn't warrant the hype I also know he is blessed with a very good 1st touch and is a quality passer and move player. that's something we have missed in the middle since scholes went. He's not great defensively but not many of our midfielders are!

Chorlton,

"People then come out with the same old arguments like he's played out of position and the best one is that it's the other players fault for not being on his wave length!"

That comment is not just some throw-away excuse. It is a fact that I think most people would agree with. Whatever your views on Kagawa, he is not an out and out winger. Playing him there is never going to work. Nor is he a central midfielder in a 442.
Kagawa is an attacking, creative player. End of. If Moyes can't find a regular place for him in that position, he should just sell him, though I think that would be a big mistake. Like you said, he has been here for nearly 2 years. He has hardly played in his best position in that time.
Kagawa and Mata have played very little together, but they already look like they enjoy playing together (Mata actually said so himself yesterday).
All I am trying to say is that players like Mata and Kagawa need tp be played in their best positions. They are not utility players, and they are not bought, or played for their defensive qualities. It seems like Moyes is looking to play 4231 going forwards which I think is a very positive move. Kagawa and Mata fit into that formation very well. I do not see the need more defensive players in that formation. With that formation we will have a back four with two defensive (perhaps one box to box) midfielders in front of them. That is in effect 6 defensive players on the pitch, will the 4 attacking players pressing higher up the pitch. Several top teams already play this way and are very effective in doing so. I think like many others have already said on here, we need to move away from 442 if we want to evolve as a team and get back to winning trophies.
In my opinion, players like Mata and Kagawa are an essentail part of that evolution. Just like players such as Ozil, David Silva, Oscar, Hazard etc etc.

Betty swollocks

I take you point about formations and playing him as winger, which he most definatley is not!
However that's only half the story really as there have been times when he's played on the left but not as a winger and also more central but still not really produced. I think only time will tell with him but it seems clear Moyes is not really that taken by him so maybe he should sell him and replace him with someone who he is happy with. Not saying I would sell him I would continue to the end of the season to play him in a 3 behind the main striker and see how he does.

I think he is world class he has struggled because I don't think anyone understood how he likes to play at united until mata came. If you want to make a decision on him I would watch him at the world cup for japan I think he will prove the doubters wrong imo

06 Apr 2014 00:38:48
Today we seen a glimpse of the future we could have, if moyes is brave that is. Playing a 3 of Mata, Kagawa and Januzaj behind the striker. Most United fans want to see it on a permanent basis, but I've a feeling Moyes will always want to include a young/valencia/welbeck in that 3. I wouldn't have them is a set position but drifting around each other like Dortmund and Bayern always do.

Would you honestly play them with the back 4 and 2 holding midfielders we have? they aren't exactly defensively minded? I have a feeling that's the way moyes wants to go but he needs to bring in a few more players to compliment the attacking players we have

05 Apr 2014 23:03:41
Note to Ed: (Celtic fan in Peace). I put this to our Ed. I asked if you could sign any Man utf player now from any era, who would it be. you can only choose 1 player, and give a reason why.


Hope the Man Utd fans take this on.
Just for fun.

Thx

{Ed007's Note - Roy Keane just edges it from Cantona for me, I don't think either need any explanation.}

Ronaldo or Best for me.

Scholes or Ronaldo. Maybe Cantona. Can't rule out Robson, Best and Charlton. Or maybe Van Nistelrooy. I think Edwards is right up there too. And of course there's John O'Shea.

Gotta be Scholes with the United squad right now.

Keane or Robbo maybe Ronaldo god there's so many to choose from our team atm needs Keane or Robbo

People forget the meaning of 1 when it comes to choosing players. Greedy buggers!

Probably Ronaldo or Keane for me.

Scholes, Keane or Terry Gibson for me with the current squad.

Ed 007 - Good choices. We need a leader, an inspirational one at that more than anything else. Tough on, but I would drift towards Cantona. Mind you, Keano would have been tremendous.

Deeps.

Denis Irwin for me.My favourite United player ever.Just a class act every time he put the shirt On and walked on to pitch.

Nice call big lewi that would b mine to :)