Manchester United Banter Archive January 06 2014

06 Jan 2014 21:59:55
Ed02, know if there is any truth to RvP being unhappy?

{Ed002's Note - Like unhappy because his dog Bozo died? Or unhappy at the political situation in Syria? Or unhappy with the colour of the new carpet in the dining room?}

If Bozo has died then I fully expect a minutes applause and the players to wear black armbands at the next home game.

RIP RVPs DOG ;)

You couldn't blame RVP for being unhappy 12 months Ago he joined united to win trophy under SAF a year later and the great man retires and Arsenal are 6 places above us and ironically in need of a striker!

07 Jan 2014 10:52:36
Ed002 that is hilarious. I think he is unhappy once he got to see Cleverly's wag and has been wondering ever since where he went wrong.

He was at chill factore yesterday, his missus and kid where having a private lesson. He seemed happy and answered a few questions about United, and took a few photos.
He says he is in the last stage of his injury and will be back soon, couple of weeks or something.

06 Jan 2014 22:35:15
One week ago we were on a run of straight victories and starting to believe in the team again. Now after 2 narrow defeats it is doom and gloom. We are not at our best by any means but considering our 2 top goal scorers are injured along with the other injuries in the squad, I think we are still in with a good shout of top 4. We do need new faces but not the massive over haul that some say. A box to box midfielder and a new left back, with a fit RVP, Rooney front line and we will finish top 4 I am very confident. Also why do so many of you slate our players whilst heaping praise on the city squad. The same city squad that have lost 4 games including Cardiff and Sunderland, and also are lucky to still be in the FA cup after a poor performance against Blackburn. We are not glory hunters, We are United, we will be back and above all we will always support the team

Everyone got injuries. So let's not use that excuse, its Not the United way. We are terrible and have been so under moyes.
What has moyes done to impress you so far?

One ghing he's done that impresses me is, he is taking it on the chin, and he knows its a big rebuild and the job from hell when it should be heaven, in short - he's got what it takes to win, balls and guts.
jomo

Inhope

Careful posting common sense stuff, they mob will string you up and have a lynching party, I think it is witchery.

We have not been an attractive team to watch for some time, we won a poor League last year and we have been off the pace in Europe for some time.
We have some good youngsters coming through but that will take time, we have lots of players past their best and not enough players in their mid twenties. The midfield is awful and some of that is down to bad luck. Hargreaves would have been at his best now, we all know about Fletchers illness, Anderson and Bebe just never developed and Nani is not the player we hoped he would become.SAF must bear the blame for some of this and Moyes will need at least two years to rebuild the team we all want.

Nomididfield.

I wouldn't say he's impressed me, I am saying give him time. Although the summer transfer saga was a mess at least he targeted Fabregas ( a box to box midfielder) and Baines ( a left back) the 2 places we can all agree need sorting. So he can see the problem, let's give him time to fix it.

Good post ihope. Once we do buy quality in those 2 positions and maybe left wing in the summer we will start to look like a different team. He knows wbere we need to strengthen, he has to make it happen in January though.

06 Jan 2014 21:37:46
ABU's are dancing jigs at the moment but to be honest I couldn't care less as long as this "transition" is managed correctly. Chances are the Glaziers understand business and want maximum return on investment. Under SAF minimum investment gave maximum returns. BUT now, falling share prices, the threat of missing out on CL football and stars looking more likely to jump ship than join it mean that investment is not an option, it is the only means of stopping the rot. They could sell without the investment and swallow the reduced share value pill and the fact that another few good balance sheets and the initial loan would be paid off but IMO this is highly unlikely. SO if they do make significant funds available they have to be thinking that they can only do it once. FFF and a failed attempt at CL would limit further investment.

Im all for Giving DM a chance but more so in era where top signings don't dominate form as much. My genuine problem is whether Moyes can lure top talent to our great club. let's be honest, he has dropped some real clangers in the media that have annoyed fans and players alike. He seems a man without any real charisma> if a top player had an interest in playing in England and wasn't a boyhood fan, can you take off your MUFC blinkers and honestly tell me that United would be where he would choose under Moyes.

Sir Alex made some terrible signings so we can't slaughter DM for the big wig decision. But was that signing a "sign someone, anyone" decision and will he do the same once top names turn us down.

I am so hoping I am wrong but I believe we have one chance to spend big and I hope DM and Woodward show me something I haven't seen a shred of evidence for thus far.

Ed's, GCU, Shappy does anyone know if moyes has the dressing room. What really is the reaction to dumping the backroom staff. Has he just been unlucky with an over ambitious first window. Is he sleeping with Ashley? Surely we have some picture of the Man that is leading our club outside of what we see in the media. TBH if Gary Neville or someone like him said he's the right man I'd accept it. The club can't be that much of a closed shop.

I'd rather throw on the U21's than sign players not of united calibre. Can moyes get the right people?

PS Match lasts 90mins. Crowd more important now than ever. Should be the only thing ABU's can never jeer us about. Away fans amazing in fairness.

United forever.

AJRED; Thought I was logged in.

I think you forgot to log in. I have no idea about the dressing room and players psyche to be honest and unless you are in there with them, it is all conjecture.

I do see a genuine lack of quality once we are 30 yards from the opposition goal and whilst we circulate the ball around, there is very little creativity in terms of the right movement with or without the ball by many players. Most of our forward play comes to an end either due to a poor first touch or poor cross, wrong pass or poor pass. It is not even as if it is 1 or 2 players who are guilty but they all do it but more like they take turns :)

We have the same pattern in most
games and it starts with struggling to create enough goal chances and in some ways quite easy to defend against for most teams. As the frustration level increases and the crowd is visibly not happy, we tend to even push harder and get caught on the counters.

All our losses have come this way this year and last year btw as teams who run at our defenders give us trouble.

If you look at the stats we have dominated possession in many games without creating enough and the other teams have hit us on the counter.

I think the away support is much better and in a way less pressure for the players and we perform better, although the norwich game was terrible:)

Finally, I was never a fan of many of these players and the squad last year and took a lot of grief for it :) and quite relaxed about what I am witnessing and in no way here to defend DM and will have a better understanding and opinion of the man after the summer.

I do agree his demeanor and some of his statements are just terrible and he is quite dour and he does not have SAF charm or command of the room but then again who does and you tend to grow into those things as you get more comfortable with the role.

Thanks for replying GCU. Needed a rant. Taking dogs abuse from people I haven't heard from in years!

Plenty of managers have saf charm experience and charisma. Mourinho klopp ancelotti guadiola simione. We just decided to get happy dave moyes.

Nomidfield none of the above has what SAF has, Moyes is however going to struggle to get out of the great mans shadow it will be hard if he is not given a season to really bed in and get his own players through the door so I think you should be glad were not in this position with Mourinho can you imagine how he would of reacted to the summer dealings of Woodwood or even delt with the bad form he would of walked by now stating the obvious flaws to the team and blaming the owners for not really getting the transfers we need

Guys we have had the same problems for 4-5 years now. SAF did work wonders with a poor team and if what has been mooted as lined up signings were indeed bought (garay, strootman, thiago, baines and whoever the last one was) we would without doubt be a different animal this year but dm decided himself 'no'!

We can't forget that!

If he decided no then fair enough but where was his plan? We can't surely think that as a club trying to change from a manager of 26 years to a new guy while also keeping up the title challenge we know we can do to only sign the wig as a good start?! Dm biggest clanger is and always has been the overhaul of staff. Had he kept the familiarity for the players he could have implemented his new regime through constant faces and had the players believed in that staff they would take that on board far easier than from new guys who as a staff have won literally nothing. The slightest change would bring doubt in the minds.

I'm sure if you were able to question any player pre signing moyes as to who they wanted none would have said him.

That's a massive negative straight away. Had we put a winner of great pedigree in the job I'm sure all the players would have warmed to him and accepted the small changes as the proven record shows he knows what he is talking about but with moyes nobody thinks it will be a success. Why change something that works?

The summer signing fiasco only served to heighten that doubt IMO and had say Jose or simeone or another top manager come in do you really think they would have dismissed SAF supposed lined up signings without having others in mind?

I think moyes stubbornness from being an unpopular choice made him decide he wasn't taking SAF signings then all his attempts (if you can call them that) failed so the excuse of needing to see how the squad played under him covered the window. But we all know who in the squad is and isn't utd standard. So begs the question as to why a manager of 10+ years in the prem doesn't already!

I think he just f**ked up and the squad has not responded to him as would have liked and tbh it's going to be very very hard for him to pull that back.

I worry for us as if there is the faith shown in moyes without realisation of the slump then come may we could see ourselves in a very difficult situation not just this season but for many ahead :(

Jono mate David Moyos mite have been an unpopular choice on this site but let me tell you he was the only choice at old Trafford, and he did try to do the right thing and choose his own transfer targets just Woody messed um up we are not in any were near the mess some on here say we are in. and in time we will be at full force again, yes we need some new player yes we need to get rid of a few, these are problems that have been with us for some time is Moyes the right man , SAF thought so and let's be honest none on this site can say they have any insight or a more complete view on how the club should be run than the great man

Have to laugh at this whole, 'Moyes has no charisma or charm - unlike SAF' nonsense.

Fergie was a dour aul bugger - I've seen Moyes smile more in 6 months than Fergie did in a quarter of a century.

Totally irrelevant though - who gives a flying **** if he smiles in public or not, or has charisma or not?

It didn't stop Fergie winning everything in sight.

Is this really what it's come to, in an effort to slate the guy? - he doesn't fecking smile enough!

For what it's worth, I now cover the area where his mother's family are from, and I have heard nothing but good things about him from the locals, when he comes over to visit. He is also a big supporter of the Milk Cup, that we have over here for the youth teams.

If you're going to criticise him for football matters, then fair enough, but slagging him off because he doesn't smile enough for you, is just pathetic.

06 Jan 2014 20:40:14
I am not in panic mode just yet. I have also stated that we need to give support to the team and manager, however I would like to see DM make some tough and vital decisions. bringing in any 3 from lallana, huddleston, cabye, demble, medal, griesman, garray baines contreo (so nobody from the unobtainable superstar list in Jan) any 3 would cost 50m+. and bring powell back. then sell young, kagawa anderson, and cleverly for combined 30m+. we would be better off and still can accomodate 3 'worldies' from vidal, koke, gundogan, muinhin reus, herrera, in the summer when giggs rio evra nani vidic either 1 of rooney rvp and possibly carrick move on. we would have depth and no deadwood. i'd fancy our chances of making the top 4 if we could get any 3 from the top list in Jan but more importantly ship 3 or 4 out sending a message to the rest. if nobody is sold then the message to our squad is what your doing is good enough. well it isnt.

06 Jan 2014 21:02:17
Now That's realistic. All are proven players and would improve the team massively.
rather than running behind Juventus and ATM and then getting knocked out in the last moment.
Dembele/cabaye, sandro/medal, llana.

Ken
I think you are right regarding shipping players; a message needs to be sent to the under performers.
I must admit, I will almost be more disappointed about not getting rid than not buying.
We have seen certain players coasting, who are simply not giving there all, for ages.
When Moyes came in my hope was that he would have seen what the rest of us have been seeing for the last couple of years, and without sentiment would ship a few out.

Presently it looks like he is just doing what SAF tells him; however, clearly does not have the same gravitas to inspire.

It may well be that getting rid of the deadwood is harder than we can imagine and Moyes does still have time this month to yield the axe.

With regards to buying, there are a whole host of 'non-worldies' out there far better than our present crop. LB and CM we are desperately short and there good alternatives out there to the fans perceived choices.

I do however, think we should not splash money about just for the sake of it.

Hopefully a busy few weeks ahead!

06 Jan 2014 19:53:31
sack moyes and put Mike phelan as intern till the summer. knows the squad and knows how to give them a bollocking when they need it. will even sell fellaini as he doesn't like him and feels he isn't Manchester United standard! win win maybe

Phelan? The same Phelan that was generally regarded as Fergie's yes man who offered nothing as Assistant Manager other than tv interviews?

There are a number of people we could use as an "interim" manager Guus Hiddink? Phelan reminded me of the england assistant manager in the Mike Bassett film

Curtr_9 - if you've been reading these pages over the last few years, you would know that Phelan would not be a popular choice.

A good football man, and a trusted lieutenant, but probably not a leader of men, IMO.

He still deserved better than the way he was spoken about on here.

06 Jan 2014 19:42:32
I asked my 12 yo son what he would do if he was moyes. he said swap rooney for mata and torres). (Ive heard worse ideas. I asked why get rid of rooney and he his reply was he doesn't love the club. My son also feels huddleston and cabye would be a better midfield 2 than any of our current options. his team for feb would be ddg, raf smalling jones baines. huddleston cabye kagawa. mata torres januzai,, rvp for torres if fit. I told him i'd let him read your feedback so please remember his age ;o) thanks all happy new year

What s shout. I was only just sayin the same about Rooney with maga but not sure about Torres.i see carricks not there😞

I think your son is a bright lad. He's right about Rooney. The combination of Huddlestone and Cabaye would, I think offer more as a partnership than Carrick and Cleverley. I would though rather take Lukaku than Torres alongside Mata.

Message for son of Ken.
I agree that Huddleston and Cabaye are far better than what we have and are both very under estimated players. Not so sure about Torres. I would do a straight swap Rooney for Mata though ;)

Message for Ken.
Get your lad to apply for the job asap! At least he has a plan; and a good plan at that!

Always been a Huddleston fan glad to see him back from a career threatening injury not the quickest but great positioning, work rate and vision.

06 Jan 2014 20:27:58
How about Rooney + cash for Mata and Hazzard.?

Good idea with Huddlestone, Been a fan of him since he joined tottenham. Great striker of the ball, passing and does a very good job dictating the tempo of the game, Not a fan of cabaye. Baines is a great player but my only quarrel with him is his age. Mata would be a great signing. No thanks to Torres as I feel he is a shadow of his former self and wage would be not worth it.

Agree with Jones and Smalling as a CB pairing and losing the wingers as I feel A, we do not have the necessary players to use wingers, B, they seem ineffective when competing with quick wingbacks and tall CBs, and finally C, Hernandez does not have the strength, Welbeck does not seem to have the positioning and Rooney is rarely in that position to meet any crosses from the wingers so it seems like we could be using the numbers elsewhere on the pitch.

Good shout with Huddlestone. Could be in with a chance for an England call up.

Huddleston cabaye mata and baines would all improve us would rather take lukaku than torres though. Then we might be getting somewhere

Ah the purity of youth. Adults always dress it up whereas kids just give it to you straight.

Top top shout.

You have much potential my young padewan ;)

06 Jan 2014 20:50:50
thanks my name is jack and I would love the job but I think i'm a bit young ;o) I do represent my county for soccer at u13 and have had a trial for Glasgow Celtic.
I like torres I think he will start to score if he leaves chelsea. I think carrick is great but not the future, nor is wayne who was my hero but he will leave if he gets a better offer but there is no better offer than playing for Man united I think. Thanks for your response dad says I can open up my own user name but he wants to read what I say 1st as its an adults site. I know I am lucky because Man United won nothing when my dad was my age. bye, Jack

06 Jan 2014 21:10:49
to all who took time out to read my sons ideas thanks very much he has read you're responses replied himself and went to bed happy. he is a top little player and like most of us he sleeps eats and drinks footie great little STATO . I have promised him ill let him write again but have warned him that words can come back to bite him so if rooney signs he will eat humble pie. he says well either your red or your dead so if he signs then he is back inn the good books. appreciate it fellas
Ken

Bright boy. If it is any consolation my 10 year old also does not like rooney anymore for the exact same reason. Used to be his favorite player. Your boy is very bright and knows his midfielders.

Quality posts jack, makes a lot of sense.

His idea's, though not the best we could get, would definitely be a big improvement. His Rooney for Mata/Torres idea would be interesting. I think Torres is past his best but you never know, if he came and scored a few goals in his first few games it could light him up again and can you imagine the scousers faces if he bagged the winner against them :-) priceless.

Personally in this window I would do all possible to get Coentrao and Vidal. Both would be worth every penny they would cost and I would happily spend £55m to have them both here by the end of January. Then a quality CB, Wide Player and forward in summer and we are back in the game. I love dreaming :-)

I got my 11 year old a Utd shirt for Xmas, and when I asked him what name he wanted on the back, I expected the usual, 'Rooney'.

Imagine my shock, when he said he wanted 'Giggs'.

I asked him why, and he said, 'because Giggsy loves Utd, and Rooney doesn't'.

Out of the mouths of babes.

And no Deeps, before you say anything, I haven't been filling his head full of anti-Wayne propaganda :)

I was thinking about Mata & Torres the other day for Rooney. It could really work.

Stevie

I think its crazy to think that Wayne "loves" United. Even a die hard fan like me would not have such vague things to assume about him. But yes, for someone who has spent 10 crucial years at the club, the respect that he gets on this site is sometimes appalling. But then, we have had this discussion for donkeys now. On a side note, Stevie, do you think Bestie loved United? After all he said I won't go around the corner to watch United. I assume he is one of your firm favourites, somebody you grew up idolizing. Perspective may be?

Have a good day mate!

Deeps.

Woah there, Deeps! I was only giving a little anecdote from an 11 year old's perspective, and reference to Ken's original post.

I'm not even going near another Rooney debate!

What the hell Stevie! Why did you not bite? Its been a long time since we had a "Holier than thou" discussion on young Wayne ;-) . Ohh btw, as for Ken's little one (Jack I suppose), he hasn't quite seen the Rooney of (2010) CL Q/F vs Munich where he basically played with a limp and probably that took away some of his pace forever ;-) or when pretty boi CR7 jumped ship . I suppose he has only seen the dark side of the lad. I agree though, Rooney will never "love" United. But he has given as much as he has got, that I have no doubt about.

By the way, I should have mentioned it earlier, the post written by your son Ken is beyond his tender years. Superb stuff! Tell him to go a little easy on Rooney haha :p

Deeps.

LOL, Deeps is Wayne's love child:)

06 Jan 2014 19:06:29
For anyone who has ever ventured into the dark side (Liverpool site) is the new chap 'attitude' not 'harry scousser' in disguise? Scarily similar (and ambiguous) posting style.

Attitude is not a MU fan. He is a pleb pretending to be a MU fan.

Attitude seems to have a lot of repressed anger.

06 Jan 2014 19:52:35
I love that. I myself went and checked TBH. and found Harry UTD here. similar to Harry scousser.

Still think you will finish above us Sydney lad. not seen you on the Liverpool banter page for a while, hope you have had a good new year

06 Jan 2014 20:26:16
HoneyBadger.

So there are 3 Different People, But same?. 1/3. 1:3. 3:1. 3/1. 1+2+3.?
confused?

06 Jan 2014 20:23:59
Sydney.

hahhaha. You really can't get along with me right.
I found 10 different place name starting from Australia and ending in the US through the Atlantic in every page.
I am sure. Its you. move on mate. No-matter, who we are, what we are. and where we are from, It doesn't reflect the performance of the team.

Can someone prove me ED01 and ED04 are Different?hahahhah (smiles)

{Ed001's Note - hey! I resent that!}

06 Jan 2014 20:31:03
Carloto.
Attitude is the only word which actually doesn't have a clear cut meaning. You can describe Attitude in Many ways. I project my Attitude. There isn't a bad attitude or good attitude. Its Just Attitude.
99% People actually doesn't know what's an Attitude.
Something which cannot be described.
Now this is an Attitude.
Thanks for Reminding my earlier days.

LEP, that depends on how much longer it takes us to get out of the rut we are in. It will be closer than we both think though.

06 Jan 2014 20:34:26
Sydney

Mate you are scoring high these days. Look at the love and warm you get every day.
Fans across the site are in long Q desperate to greet you. Common mate. every UTD fan would want to be above Liverpool. But 30 points?. Even SAF would find this Difficult.
Smiles. No Offence mate. I was just Kidding. You are the life of this Page.

Yes. United will be better than Liverpool.

Whether that means finishing higher in the league remains to be seen but we will ALWAYS be better than the scousers.

Attitude,

Very! But still not quite to your level :D

06 Jan 2014 18:27:05
If you forget all the personal furore around him and just focus outright on what your own eyes have witnessed on the pitch during his short time as manager: how would you sum up David Moyes, the tactician, in ONE word? (politely, if that's possible)

Terrified

Discombobulated.

Or perhaps "frogeyed" lol.

Trumped

Featherweight

Gutted

Confused

Naive

Useless

Bewildered.

LOST!

"Not fit for purpose"

"What it said on the can"

Inadequate

Overwhelmed!

Uninspiring

Extemporized

Infelicitous

Boring .

Stressed and overwhelmed

Frustrated

Undermined

Lonely.

06 Jan 2014 17:52:12
Sydney.
Mate every team do have this long Injury List.
Spurs have 7 first team players Injured.
Liverpool doesn't have a 25 men squad, and their injury list is almost as ours.
Everton doesn't have a huge squad like us
Tell me why are they above us?

I wonder how well Liverpool would do without say Johnson, Agger, Sakho, Sterling, Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge & Suarez.

MU like every other club will suffer with injury, but we seem to be missing all of our best players all at the same time. It's not an excuse, it's fact.

Please list the 7 first team assuming first 11 spurs players. I am curious to see who they are.

Ledley King, Gary Mabbutt Glenn Hoddle. Gazza's knee. lol

06 Jan 2014 20:37:29
Jay Vetrongen, Rose (now fit), Kabul, sandro, paulinho, Errikson (Now back), Lamela

06 Jan 2014 20:42:34
Sydney.
Mate I am in no mood for another argument.
Sterling is a kid. leave that.
Gerard was injured and back last game I believe.
Is Sturridge playing now?
Agger is Injured I think so
Sakho is Injured I am sure
Johnson and Evra are pretty much same. Useless.

They also concede goals every game and their Midfield isn't the best, But they score many. that relieves the pressure of your midfielders and defenders to be calm.
there is a huge difference in 1-0 at half time and 3-0 at half time.

I am not 100% sure on the above Injury List.

Liverpool got into round 4 of the FA Cup without Sakho Sturridge and Johnson.

Gerrard was substituted off and Surarez only played 15 minutes

Coutinho was only brought on in the second half and Agger went off injured.

Sterling stayed on way past his bed time.

All in all we managed okay thanks.

Dear oh dear sydney, we have been missing all of the above and more either collectively or at different times and we're not doing too bad. You really need to stop being so blinkered. Every team suffers injuries, suspensions. Utd are not the only 1's. You really are clutching at straws lol.

Attitude

I think you don't watch the games mate. Erickson played against us sand so did rose.

Kabul and Lamel are fringe players and hardly play, It like anderson being injured for us, who cares. Sandro and Paulinho I agree but it is usually one of them as Cabaye has been the guy over the last month or so and they don't lose anything because Cabaye in my view is better than sandro.

So that makes 2 key injuries, how do you compare their situation to our mate. You missed out townsend btw.

I am 100% with sydney. No one has missed players all together as we are. Whilst everyone has had injuries they have not have had half their starting 11 on the physio table all at once.

Means Dembele and not Cabaye LOL

Lol u scousers do amuse me, last season all we heard was injurys this and injurys that, 'has any team had worse luck than us?' blah bla, now this season its not as important and every team goes through it lol, which is the reason why I shall be laughing my ass off when it all goes pete tong.

U beat Oldham at anfield can't really scream about that, we put u out or the last cup u were in remember and are on corse for Wembley

06 Jan 2014 17:46:42
Well, its been another 'challenging' week hasn't it!

I won't pretend its been anything less than disappointing and can understand people's anger at 1) the poor results and 2) the fact we STILL lack quality in the same old positions (cm especially but also lb and on the wings). However, I don't understand the flood of 'moyes out' posts after a poor result. I acknowledge that he wasn't many peoples first choice (me included) but he will rightfully stay til at least the end of the season. He desperately needs to strengthen the squad and we as fans can only guess why this has failed to happen so far. until he gets the chance to mold his idea of a team together its too early to write him off IMHO. and we certainly should not be sacking a manager mid way through a season.

There are no excuses for our league performance, we should be in and around the top 4 positions but I will say that injuries to key players like rvp, Carrick and Rooney at times have really affected his chances at success. the fact we never strengthened adequately in the summer was criminal and its been a struggle ever since.

In summary, i'm not happy with the current state of our club but don't lay 100% of the blame with moyes. And I, for one, will give him time and support whilst he's here.

Lets hope he has been underplaying our chances of making a signing or 2 in Jan though because if we don't it could be a very long few months!

Bravo sir. Without a doubt that is one of the most sensible posts I've read in a lonv tiime. Looking forward to a brighter future.

Agreed - it could be a very long few months without a decent signing or 2.

I am starting to get more than a little concerned. Our home form is terrible and whilst injuries have played a part, so has team selection. Also who is to say the injuries aren't a result of Moyes' draconian training methods?

The team selection baffles me a little to say the least. Let take a look at Swansea yesterday for example. Kagawa is a number 10 - everyone knows that and if you look at his performances in Germany you'll see how effective he can be. Why would you play him left in place of Danny Welbeck supporting Hernandez? I like Welbeck - as a striker! But in a support role - no way. He can trap a ball further than I can kick one! He should have played him left and Kagawa central behind Hernandez. On the right I would have put Adnan and had him and Danny switch roles throughout the game. I would also not have played Cleverly. .I can't stand him - he is terrible and if you can't see that you must be blind. Instead play one of the kids next to Flech who you could rotate Carrick in for later in the game. No issues with the back 4 besides Smalling who is not a RB. He constantly gets caught on the ball and out of position, Should have played Fabio from the start then maybe he wouldn't have come on and been so eager to impress and get himself sent off. Buttner was a breath of fresh air. Note no place for Tony V in my team. why? He couldn't put a cross in a voting box, let a lone the 18 yard box. I am not sure what has happened to him over the past 2 years but he is getting worse. .Rant Over

Good post HB and I was thinking the same transfer wise, our summer dealings were all over the tabloids and i'm hoping more discreet negotiations are in progress. On another note I notice a few arguments on here which is ironic - we are and always will be united

Gav always speaks the truth ;-) . Welcome back mate! Agree with your entire post as I so often do. I have been playing like a broken record saying that the long standing issues have come home to roost. Yes its naive not to apportion a certain % of the blame to Moyes, but Moyes out? I think we are much better than that.

Deeps.

Dallasmufcfan.

I got the impression that Cleverley was good yesterday.He made some nice challenges to the Swansea players and kept the team moving with his passing.I though him and Fletcher did quite good, especially if you take into account that they were 2 against 3.

I think Kagawa, despite not being played in his correct position as often as he would like, has to deliver more.You could see him changing positions with Welbeck and getting himself into the middle of the pitch quite often, it's not like he is being played as literally a left winger.If memory serves me well, he's had no assists or goals this season.Correct me if wrong.He is largely at fault for his ineffectiveness.

Superspy and bookred, thanks and agreed

Dallas, agree with some points but I just feel moyes deserves more time to implement his changes. Don't like to disect his every decision when he's a professional manager and i'm just a passionate supporter. Loved the "He can trap a ball further than I can kick one" line though, lol

Deeps, good to be back and as always agree with what I've seen from you whilst I've been checking in recently, keep up the good work! :-)

HB

Welcome back and thank god for some common sense. Keep posting.

Cheers GCU, you too!

06 Jan 2014 16:49:05
Is it just me who doesn't rate coentrao too highly? He isn't the best at defending and looks like a glorified buttner, although I hope we go out and get him I wouldn't be so sure that he's the holy grail of left backs

06 Jan 2014 17:55:10
He is an Offensive Full Back, I am not sure about his defending attributes.

In the last world cup he was easily the one of the best left back both offensively and defensively. I would not worry about his defending. The challenge at at Madrid is Ronaldo never helps out and both him and Marcello are in many cases isolated. Marcello is better offensively and hence why number one.

06 Jan 2014 16:41:44
I was looking at the top of the table and I got down to the fifth placed team before I could find a team that would take any utd player to improve there team.with the exception of rooney the entire squad is ave. we need a massive overhaul of the squad and big investment. keep the goalie and rooney and start again rebuilding.
not sure if moyes is capable of doing this massive task. I think moyes is like the squad ave, if fallani is the best he could manage in the summer for such a high price god help us. Has he sacked all the scouts as well as the coaches?

You think Phil Jones or Robin van Persie wouldn't improve Liverpool?

06 Jan 2014 17:38:45
Dysney.

Mate this is for you.

06 Jan 2014 18:02:50
GDS.

Phil Jones is a good player, bought as a CB and now pretty good in the middle shows how poor we are there. Out of all team why on earth does POOL need another striker, when they are scoring goals for fun?
May be Spurs would be Interested in RVP, But again If you look at his history of Injury, They would be reluctant.

06 Jan 2014 16:27:23
So we've got a vital game tomorrow, with Rooney, RvP, Rafael, Nani, Jones, Fellaini and Young all out.For me we will have to field a side as strong as possible because if we get a bad result again there will be even more pressure on Moyes.De Gea should start and if I were to choose the back four, I would opt for Buttner (after his performance last night), Vidic, Evans and Smalling, who I also found good last night, as right back.Carrick and Fletcher are the strongest midfielders we have available and thus should start.I'd like to see Kagawa, who wasn't as influential as I'd like against Swansea, as an AM with Januzaj on his left and see how they interchange.Valencia on the right and the on-form Welbeck up front.What do you think?

{Ed004's Note - I agree same team}

I pretty much agree with your choice apart from Carrick and Fletcher in midfield. I think they would lack energy and could get over run, especially with Januzay maybe not so good tracking back. I would definitely play Kagawa behind the striker as Welbeck was very disappointing in that position yesterday. he's better up front or on the left.

Any team without Tom Cleverly is a good team

Inhope.

Yeah that would be a problem.Considering Kagawa's ineffectiveness yesterday, we could use Anderson instead of him to offer some energy and drive.A midfield three of Carrick, Fletcher and Anderson would do well.

Nicolas_United

That sound better to me, but I get the impression Moyes has no time for Anderson

I think we need to play a midfield 3 and just keep it tight and control things. It might be boring but some of the players who played yesterday will be physically struggling. I believe we will see a boring low scoring game with us potentially nicking it.

Get valencia out the team and put zaha in

06 Jan 2014 16:25:33
I'm all up for giving Moyes a chance and thought he would be perfect for us. However the only thing I have to judge are the performances, results and his interviews. All of those are far below what I expect of Utd and what I expect of our manager.

He is dreaming up silly excuses and not addressing the bigger picture. Even our wins are scrappy, Hull, Norwich, anyone?!

That said, maybe he is saying otherwise in the dressing room - but if that's the case I would rather the whole post match interview was scrapped and clubs remained a closed book, because it's turning more and more into politics by the day - tabloid rubbish, lies trickery and there we are not knowing what the hell to believe. So he doesn't have a clue or he is manipulating the media/us, either way it sucks.

He is starting to alienate those that backed him from the start with his focusing on rubbish reasons for losing (on top of performances) - blatant penalty on Young etc, so what why are we desperate for a pen to salvage a point against a really poor Tottenham team going through injury and management crisis, whilst playing at home?!

Yesterday's was even worse. We didn't deserve to get beat blah blah blah. Norwich didn't deserve to get beat by us the other day either. We shouldn't be in this position, where a flukey goal or bad decision effects the whole game.

I want to believe he knows what he is doing, but I am just sensing desperation and the sign of a man on the edge. I feel for the guy, but I feel for our clubs future more.

Great shout, This is exactly what I have been thinking.

In his post match interviews he sounds like a loser. We didn't deserve to lose, or we did enough to win, or we played well for periods.

I am sure if he needs to know SAF could help him out. You deserve to win if win, you have done enough to win if you have won. You have to play well for the whole game, and beyond if you want to win.
I have had enough, I think six months is plenty of time to assert some vision and authority. SAF was apocalyptic most of the time and that's how he drove success, with rage energy and passion.

I haven't seen any of that fro Moyes.

06 Jan 2014 14:32:25
I am not a professional football manager, nor do I profess to be. Nor have I ever held a management position at a top football club. However, I am almost certain that Manchester United is not run by one person sitting at a games console! Some of the posters on hear seem to think that United if just some version of football manager, or whatever its called. Quite frankly some of you are living in cloud cuckoo land. The SONY Playstation has a lot to answer for.

So we are all playstation addicts and that's why we can see that the squad is weak and lacking in world class players, the manager looks beaten and the squad has no confidence in him. And the playstation also shows us that it probably would of been wise to follow the guidance of the greatest manager the game has ever seen?

I suppose you're right.

Betty - With that initial description of yourself are you in fact David Moyes?

Fresh, I did say SOME, not all. For what it matters, I certainly was not referring to you. But just recently there is an awful lot of rubbish being posted on here. Some probably think the same of me. But anyone is entitled to post their opinions and that is fair enough. Its just that a some seem to think that the club just give Moyed an open chequebook, and he goes out and signs who he wants, when he wants. The majority are sensible and realise its not quite that easy. Its not as easy as just going out and signing Tom Dick and Harry just to satisfy impatient fans. I want new signings as much as anyone, but some posters asume that everyone wants to play for us, that we can afford anyone and that all our targets are available. That's all I meant, hence the reference to Football Manager.

The disrespect Moyes sometimes takes is appaling.At least the fans than regurarly attend our games are singing and supporting him even after the defeats and he seems to recognise it and wants to give something back to them.

Dave, nice one lol.

I attend as many as I can and still support him doesn't mean I want him here though.

06 Jan 2014 14:17:30
fabio coentrao for me is a must!

And ill state again I think we are in for Herrera as well!

managers at this time of year all deny activity or keep things close to there chest!

As for capital cup play the youngsters and get the team ready for Saturday which is a must win game

Lets keep faith in moyes guys
im hoping for a new signing for when I go to Cardiff game this month

I would be very happy with Coentrao and Herrera in January as they would solve a lot of problems for us.The latter will cost a bit too much, but in our current situation I think we should be open to spending money.

06 Jan 2014 13:48:24
Moyes needs to be given time and only a few people seem to realise that.

Time does not mean a few more games. Time means a season or two, if he fails to get players in january I will be annoyed because we all know its what we need, but if doesn't then so be it.

Moyes is an experienced manager and knows what he's doing.

May I remind everyone posting about us having an average team, we are 7th, nothing to shout about agreed but 7th with an 'average team' is actually quite good.

In real life you don't leave a job, get a new one and fit perfectly? No you have time to adapt and get to know everyone, only then will Moyes be able to work at his best.

If by 2016 we aren't back with the top 4 i'll be very surprised, just let the poor man do his job.

Lastly on the transfer front, Moyes had little funds when at Everton and managed to get some good deals, he isn't used to having a big bank to use. He panic bought on Fellaini because he could! The pressure to get a player from us fans was massive so because he had the funds, he used them.

Also can anyone (Ed's) shed any light on the Coentrao situation, I saw on twitter he's available for £12m then scrolled up my timeline and saw that we are negotiating contract terms with him?

Wow.

Dropping from 1st to 7th in a few months is "actually quite good". And Moyes three year goal is to break the top 4.

January 6th 2014, mark this date down, it's the date Manchester United officially became Everton Mark 2.

In real life you get a job and you have a 6 month probation period. If you fail to perform to the expected standard during this period your contract can be legally voided.

Harryutd Moyes will be given time that is the utd way for those fan who remember life pre SAF but to call the squad average is an insult to those utd players who won the league last season. Yes we could do with more quality to compete at the highest level but apart from City and poss Chelsea both also with new manager who else in the league as a better squad?
Utd fans are not generally unhappy about results they are unhappy about the manner of our defeats and that is down to Moyes. It does seem strange to me that you fully support the new man Moyes but not our players did you support Everton last season?

Danny:

I wasn't saying dropping from 1st top 7th is actually quite good, I said 7th for a bog standard team is actually quite good.

Manchester united are not a manager swapping team, I would hate to see they day we throw away managers like used condoms. GIVE THE MAN TIME!

We aren't becoming Everton Mark 2? we have they're manager yes, and a player arsenal were also interested in, because he's good - form is temporary, class in perminant.

Cheer up lads it's not all bad.The more games we lose the club decreases in value.The way were going by the end of the season they'll be giving the club away for nothing.The only saving grace is the look on the Glazers face as they begin to lose it.Glazers out.

Acker:

Believe it or not I wasnt an Everton fan haha.

What I do think though is that Moyes will come good, and i'm perfectly happy with most the players, just some like young, kagawa, ferdidnand and evra need to realise that SAF is gone and that they need to work hard for Moyes

@ Danny Pughnited . Yet another over reacting supposed fan . "Contract can be legally Voided" so u think the same employment law given to everyday jobs should apply in football, do u think footballers and more importantly their agents would let that happen.
Yet again reading some of your posts I would guess you are a young Utd fan who has only ever known a successul Manchester United team . The 1st match I attended was a very poor 0-0 v Birmingham in the '79 - '80 season back when Utd were winning the odd cup here and there and it doesn't faze me that we might go 2 or 3 seasons without success because success isn't / can't always be permanent something always gives whether it be a manger retiring or players retiring . So suck it up stop moaning and support the club

Moyes has had nearly 6 months. Apart from the opening day and the Leverkusen game have you ever been encouraged by what he has done? Because I tell you now, I haven't. His actions and his words are uninspiring and shows how out of depth he is. If he signs no one this January it's because the owners don't trust him with their cash because if we try hard enough there are players available at small clubs like Griezmann, Inigo Martinez and there are also players that aren't wanted by their clubs who are available like Coentrao.

Dougal (such an appropriate user name), I was responding to the idea that in other jobs people are given a few years grace before they are expected to meet their job requirements.

You are exactly the type of fan who is so far up on their moral high horse and misguided pride that you will ignore all the facts, all the poor performances, all the years of under investment, so that you can wear your 'I support the team regardless of the results' attitude like a badge of honour.

I have supported the team for a long, long time. I've seen the club rise from an average also ran to a dominant powerhouse over the last 40 years. And now I am seeing everything that was built during the last three decades be demolished in the name of making a few greedy yanks a quick billion.

We have not finished below 3rd place in over 20 years, but now people think that 7th place actually isn't that bad and that our three year goal should be to break back into the top 4. It's not about going two or three seasons without success, it's about people's expectations being lowered to a ridiculous extent in the space of a few months. Do you think Barca or Madrid or Bayern or any of the other top European teams would be willing to tolerate 3 seasons outside the top 4 or even 3 seasons without a trophy? Of course they wouldn't because the top sides know that you have to keep winning trophies and keep playing in the top competitions or you won't attract the best players and pretty soon you will be another one of the also rans. Two or three seasons without a league title quickly turns into 10 or 20, ask Liverpool or Arsenal fans. There is a reason that the top sides stay on top and those who slip outside the top rung find it so difficult to get back.

Dougal Maguire, I like the cut of your jib.

Fresh stop whingeing hysterically, you sound like a Liverpool fan, shut up complaining about Moyes.Six months is nothing, our squad is cr*p and it will take until next season before we will see a big improvement.Moyes will turn it around I have no doubt about it just show some patience will you.

I agree we need to be patient but for me, once he's had 3 transfer windows under his belt (prior to next season) - we will have a good idea about where he's taking the team by summer 2015. And we certainly need to finish top 4 by that stage but also back competing for major titles.

We do have major areas we need to improve that's for sure but let's not forget we still have good youngsters like ddg, Rafael, Jones, smalling, januzai etc. And still currently have some good experienced players in rvp, Rooney, Carrick, Evans etc.

06 Jan 2014 12:57:33
Panicking I see. Everyone settle down as this is not armageddon and no end of the world for United. We will get through this and be better for it. We needed an event like this year to mop up and clean out lockers and it has finally come.

Football clubs generally realize their potential from the planning that has been put in place years before or pay for the lack of it. We have not bought well, scouted well or financially competed to be expecting winning the league every year and people behaving like we have some god given right to win all the time are puzzling.

What is odd is the fact that everyone openly admit there are many average players in the current squad but then scream and shout when we deliver average football. Make up your minds will you.

If we take a look at our results in Europe the last few years it clearly shows how we have regressed. A team that was pretty much a quarter final/semi finalist year in year out has been getting knocked out in the group stages and or getting beat by some strange teams or squeezing wins where in years past we used to murder these small teams.

Talking a 32 year old out of retirement in 2012 should have told everyone that we have no plan B. Before you guys go native on the new manager ask your self why SAF did not buy a midfielder that January or the following summer, after all he was here for 26 years and knew every thing about every player in the squad and your ranks?

We have failed to replace a very old squad of key players, who are not just any players that have been the backbone of our success and will have to accept that changes will not come without some pain.

It is easy to panic and ask to go on a spending spree for players but what happens if they are just not available and what is available is not much better than what we have.

We played with our B team last night and lost, get over it. We have not been creative going forward for almost 3 years now so nothing new there. We are older and slower and other teams are younger and generally better.

"We played with our B team last night and lost, get over it."

Not according to this 'Attitude' fella who appeared suddenly over the past few days. According to him DDG, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Fellaini, Carrick, Nani, Young etc are not our first team players.

GCU I have read many of your posts over the past weeks and with all your inside knowledge and superior tactical know how I've suddenly realised that you're actually David Moyes himself.

GCU

Come on mate, it might not be Armageddon but how are we supposed to replace all these players?

Our owners do not want to spend money, we're languishing outside the CL spots so how do we bring in the quality we require without making the top 4?

If we lose Rooney and possibly RVP, who do we replace them with?

January is tough to do business. A WC summer will be even tougher, if we haven't got CL football to attract quality signings and our owners are hit by no CL money. Then it's January yet again.

Can you not see how this could all unravel and have a knock-on effect?

The issue IS that we played with our B team in what was one of our best chances of silverware this season.

I appreciate that there were some injuries but to play with such a weak team was foolish and a little arrogant. Ferdinand should not be anywhere near our starting line-up, Carrick should have started with Fletcher and Cleverley, Januzaj should have started, Valencia should have still been on the pitch when Rio came off inured (Kagawa should have gone off), Kagawa and Welbeck should have been playing in the opposite positions, Vidic should have started in Rio's place or at the very least been on the bench, Rooney and RVP should have been fit and would have been had they not been subjected to Moyes' archaic training regime. I could go on.

Come in guys, yesterday we played a team that should have easily beaten Swansea. But we lost, and we list deservedly. And we lost in a manner that is unacceptable. If you don't believe me, then just read what Darren fletcher had to say, and they don't come more honest than him.
If you can offer any positive thing that Moyes has done since he came to the club with regards tactics, team selection, purchases, motivation, improvement, then please let us know what it is.
Fact of the matter, is we are losing against the likes of wba Everton Newcastle even when most of the first team are playing.
We were pumping balls up from the back more than Wimbledon ever did. So let's not hide the fact that we are a club in decline and we have appointed a manager who does not know how to play with modern tactics. Even the players look as if they don't care.
If you want to carry on with him until he drags us down to below average level, then that's fine, but let's not give him even more excuses. The guy is incompetent and should never have been appointed.

Well, well! Mr. Right has spoken.
As you and Syd say, don't worry, we'll be fine. Moyes has a master plan, we'll take over next year.

If a team like United is not even capable to win at least half of the games at home is normal, then we can expect at least 9 or 10th position by the end of the season. Because in theory we're not even better than Newcastle, Sotton, Swansea, West Bro and the list goes on.

Your theory about the squad is just becoming ridiculous.

Saying that the squad is not good enough to compete for the title or even the top 3 is acceptable, but trying to convince us that we can't do no better is just horrendous.

Syd

We are Manchester United. At home, playing Swansea, the least we could do was a draw.

Did we play our B TEAM against Southampton, West Bro, Newcastle, Spurs, Everton?

We don't have the given right to win every season, but as the so called greatest team in the world, the way we've been playing is shameful.

As Moyes said yesterday, PLEASE NO EXCUSES.

06 Jan 2014 14:01:27
Sydney.

With all respect to this club and to my fellow fans, what's actually your problem?, or what's your point?.
And I don't think I owe you any proof, The Moment you accept the reality you too will have my opinion.

DDG is a GK, Is he a game changer which we missed yesterday?

Vidic and Rio. Common mate. how many games in the past have show how poor they have been this seaosn?

Nani is Injured, But Janugaz did start, we simply cannot have both on the pitch at one position.

RVP have been Injured from quiet a long time, But we still played with 2 strikers. common were we at home against Mighty barca?

Rooney was a Miss, But I wanted kagawa to play in the hole.

Carrick is being Injured, But the Squad Needed players in the middle from years.

Jones is a good player, But dear, when did he become the most influential UTD player?

Now the Last one is Rafael, Moyes started Smalling at RB

We played poor especially in the second half, and common show me one moment where we actually showed the desire to win.

Fabio sending off was Irrevelant, As I believe we would have had a 1-1 draw.

Attitude, one can simply write off each and every player in every team with that approach of yours. It is very childlike. Admit it, all those mentioned are very much first teamers, better players than those that started and would start ahead of the players that did yesterday. Without a shadow of a doubt.

We were nowhere near "poor" as you describe it. Too many of you lot have gotten into the habit of judging the performance by the result. We controlled the game, made two mistakes, paid for them. The problem was "cutting edge" in the final third of the field and its those "first teamers" that usually provide it.

Still its no excuse to lose in the FA cup, but some of the criticisms from the posters are downright embarrassing.

Attitude, a pointless post based purely on your opinion of the players. FACT remains we were without:

DDG
Rafael
Jones
Vidic
Ferdinand (injured during match)
Evra
Carrick
Fellaini
Anderson
Rooney
Van Persie
Young
Nani

That is a lot of players missing. Even the most dopiest of MU fans can see that. If all those players were fit and we played City tomorrow, then TEN of those players would likely start against them.

Well done Redfaith. We were fine yesterday but lacked the cutting edge. Exactly what I said yesterday and was criticised. We were never outplayed yesterday at all in the middle of the park. We are struggling in the final 3rd due to the absence of Van Persie.

Swansea didn't have they best side out either though. its annoying that under moyes are habit of winning games late on has gone to losing at the end. I think the pressure from the fans is weighing heavy at home on manager and players but its no excuse really they should be more professional and not let it get to them

Browred, I agree Swansea didn't have their best side available either, but they weren't missing ten of their best first XI.

Sydney. You seem to be forgetting that half of the players you mention there were not injured. The reason we were missing them was because Moyes opted not to play them.

The only guaranteed starters in your list are DDG (who was available), Rafael (who is not all that much better than Smalling at RB), Evra (who was available and was replaced by Buttner - who was our best player yesterday), Carrick (who was available), Rooney and RVP.

The only players who were injured who are CLEARLY in our best 11 are Rooney and RVP. We COULD have started DDG, Evra, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Carrick, Cleverley, Valencia, Januzaj, Kagawa and Welbeck. Swap Welbeck for Rooney or RVP and that's near enough our strongest 11.

We should have won that game comfortably and the fact that we didn't is down to Moyes' ineptitude!

I never said they were all injured my friend. I said that yesterday we pretty much fielded our B-team. I stand by that.

I guess we will ry this on one at a time.

Red_Sky

I honestly don't see anything unraveling mate and see it for what it is. I do believe there is a middle ground with the owners and there is no such a thing that they will not spend money but also no such a thing that they will spend money at chelsea or city levels.

After the world cup you will see massive volume of player movements like very world cup and some new stars come to the fore, which many of us might have not been aware of.

RVP and Rooney will need replacing over the next few years anyway mate and that is not secret.

RedSeven

We had 3 games in 7 days mate, you have to rotate. You can plan for many things but at the end of the day players have to perform. I do not want to get into blaming Moyes and players as there are many culpable parties for how we perform and for me it starts with the players.

NOMID

You are a typical fan that is never happy and sees the negatives. You have made it clear over and over ( I do agree btw) that you don't rate half these players or the team but then also seem to not accept things when results don't go our way. Make up your mind, are the players good or is it the manager because you never seem to rate either. BTW Fletcher said the players have let the manager and the fans down, I am not sure how you translate that but I translate it for what it is.

NICK86, Attitude

If you want to argue this was not a B team, I will wager that 8 possibly 9 players from last nights team will not be selected for key cl games or even Premiere league games against our main rivals if we he can pick from a fully healthy squad, which includes gk, rb, lb, cb, CM, CM, LW, F, F.

We had to rotate guys given the league cup semi's and pl games and made the changes and the players are not performing. We are what I call a team that is key man dependent with 4 or 5 players having a major influence. When they are out the replacements are nowhere near their standards and we suffer for it.

I am just as unhappy as everyone and hope we have seen the worst and things will get much better. I just hope we don't suffer anymore injuries.

06 Jan 2014 12:37:29
I would just like to ask the moderators about why some posts don't seem to get the time of day? I posted several times yesterday, and none seem to have come through. I don't recall saying anything offensive of derisory against the club or playing staff.

I wouldn't have flagged this up, but it seems to happen quite a lot to my posts.

Thanks in advance.

{Ed007's Note - Have you looked throughout the site? On the Other Posts page perhaps.}

06 Jan 2014 10:58:45
It's my guess, and only that, that SAF had a row with the Glazers during last season over the funding and it's that that led him to retire. He place on the board was subject to his silence. Moyes was hired as a yes man, someone who would do as he's told, hence Mourinho being ignored. It's not just not wanting him, he would not do as he was told and at some point, would blow the whistle on the Glazers.
Now Moyse has to give limp excuses as to why we won't be signing anyone, just as SAF has for the last few years. There will be no spending spree, not now and not in the summer. The Glazers wants Moyes to spend little as he did at Everton and that's what will happen.
Fanciful, flawed even, and I hope I'm wrong, but I am getting mighty fed up each transfer window, with excuses as to why we are not buying. Nothing will change until the Glazers are gone, then maybe we'll get all the benefits of a Sugar Daddy!
Before all the Moyes supporters come flying out of their chairs, I've supported United since 1955 and will continue to do so, of course, but I don't support Moyes, Woodward or the Glazers!

I have to agree, I have only been a UTD fan since 1992 but recently we have had nothing but excuses and reasons why we can't or won't do something. I have posted previously regarding the illusions we as fans have been and are still under. Escuses as to why we haven't spent money, i.e. "No Value in the market", "Agents Fees" "He chose another Club" I could go on and on.
Now we see the very same pattern emerging with David Moyes.

I just wish the owners would come out and be honest with fans. Then at least we can change our expectations and stop believing the "biggest club in the world" line we keep getting fed.

Wow! that's 1 hell of a theroy you have there mate, on another note wot does u supporting united since 55 have to do with people supporting Moyes? i'm confused!

I would suggest if we are doing theroys that SAF would of made a lot more money serializing the real truth of the Glazers in his book than sitting on the board, wot with fergie knowing to hold a grudge why would he sit on the board?

Crazy stuff with a hidden meaning this post. Wots ure real point? And i'm not a moyes lover nor am I anti either, I just support my club.

Some jouralists are writing that United are looking for interim managers till the summer and no signings will be due to the Glazer's losing faith in Moyes and therefore not being prepared to give him a lot of money. Not sure I believe it, but you never know. Who'd of thought SAF would retire when the story was leaked.

I think the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind here. Moyes came in and as we know rejected the advice of SAF and changed to much to soon. It has badly backfired but that's all in the past and can't be undone. I genuinely don't know what the solution is.
People are saying buy players, but tell me one thing if you were a player at say A.Madrid, or Dortmund would you want to come to United. Our current players body language says so much. How would you sell the club to anyone. as people aren't interested in the history and heritage anymore

CTR.have to mention I'm a long time supporter as lots of Moyes supporters will label me 'Plastic'. It's in the text, you only have to read it! No wonder you're confused!
SAF does love power, not just money, and there's no power in writing a book on the Glazers, especially as we have no idea what clauses were in his contracts.
Everyone has an opinion, and that's mine and the very first line does say 'it's my guess' but I'm sure you 'know' better?

06 Jan 2014 12:35:09
Sambo 2
Honestly No, I woudnt personally. Forget the club size and the money, also the title ambition.
ATM are playing some beautiful football, and that's the only reason.

Pipe down 0T7.

Your previous rant was pure and simple whining. That was why I suggested you are a plastic fan and should jog on and support the renters or citeh.

This posts is almost as much rubbish as your previous one.


Do you believe in fairies and aliens too?

Forget your silly conspiracy theories and grow up.

Are the people calling other fans plastics and go and support chelsea or city actually regular match going fans or armchair experts

RRED7 The old keyboard warrior eh? Well I have an opinion, same as you and it counts as much as yours. I guess you're very happy with the way things are? Are people not allowed to contribute their feelings, or is this just for you? Since you are so knowledable, what do you actually KNOW? Not your guess, not your opinion, but what you know? What is your experience of Premier league football over and above mine? Why is your opinion worth so much more than others? Support another club? What is this, your ball, your rules. So come on diehard, how long have you been a United fan? When did you first start supporting United?

Johndenton. This relates to 0T7 stupid post a couple of days ago. My comment was he should go and follow citeh or the renters. He brought the plastic word up. For reference I am a Stretford End season ticket holder who attends every home game work permitting and have followed UTD all my life.

06 Jan 2014 10:32:19
The Real question is Are we going to do the Quick fix for the next 18 Games or wait till summer.
I understand Most of the World class players won't be availble in Jan, But common dear, there are several clubs out there who are under serious debt and would do the business (Atleast Loan), Some very good quality, If not world class players are still out there for grabs. Ever Bengega, Ivan Ractic, Moreno, there are plenty for CM and ACM position, Gary Medal would be a very good adition to the DM spot.
I mean anyone wuld be a better than what we have got at the moment.
We are being linked with Vidal, And I am certain it would drag till the jan end and either we would paying atleast 50 mill for him or We would come back empty hand, without having anyone for the second choice.
And its foolishness to chase a player who is sitting at the top of the league and have a very good chance for domestic double in the middle of the seaosn (Ex Vidal).

DM pulled out of the Herrera deal as he didn't think he was worth an extra £5 million! How stupid does that sound now? We are all probably hoping that we could do what City did with Toure and offer someone stupid money, to get us out of this mess. But the evidence suggests we won't

The reality is that it isn't a choice between quick fixes now or top class players in the summer. We are 7th in the league, we are playing abysmally and we look like we need a radical overhaul if we are to start challenging for trophies again. In addition, if we don't sign a few players now we will not secure cl football next season.

Top class players have two main priorities: money and on field success. Since the Glazers took over we have steadily proven that we are unable to compete on the money front. Now we can no longer offer success. So players like RVP who are motivated by trophies are far less likely to consider us. The idea that the players we want aren't available in January but if we wait until the summer we can nab them is a myth circulated by the owners and propagated by their minions.

If we want to be in a position to attract top class players we have to prove that the club will be back challenging for trophies in the near future. FFS we can't even convince our own players to commit their future to the club, so how do we expect to convince anyone else. The reality is that the club can either splash the cash, big time, or settle for Ashley Youngs and lex Buttners. If we wait until the summer we will be even less attractive to quality talent.

06 Jan 2014 12:22:34
BTW, Buttner was the best player last night.

06 Jan 2014 10:02:30
I can understand that people are not available in January for transfer.

Surely with the contacts we have at Utd there must be 1 or 2 players we can loan to boost the wasteland known as midfield.

There are a lot of peole under the watchful eye of scouts who are maybe's. Is this not am opportunity to try before you buy?

06 Jan 2014 10:16:36
Madrid gets whom they want, and whenever they want.

{Ed004's Note - Didnt get Nyemar or Lewandowski recently and had to wait longer than they wanted for Ronaldo. Also didnt get Schweinsteiger or Vidal}

06 Jan 2014 10:22:03
Scouting system?. We haven't found a real gem Since Ronaldo.

06 Jan 2014 10:37:49
Attitude:

In my eyes, Januzaj will be a superstar, same with Powell and possibley Lingard.

"We haven't found a real gem Since Ronaldo.".

We have. Bebe.

Doh!

06 Jan 2014 10:34:01
Ed04, But they got Bale, They would get Suarez next summer, and Once Alonso move out, they would get whom they want 100%

Eh Pogba, Ravel, Adnan. Don't talk silly Attitude.

06 Jan 2014 11:04:12
Sydney.

Pogba is at Juve, Ravel at Westham currently, Adnan with us, not too long if we drop out of CL.

We have let two of the three go though Sydney - it's no good scouting players and letting them leave after developing them.

Missing the point, Attitude says our club haven't found a real gem since Ronaldo, wrong, we found and developed the three I mentioned. It's irrelevant whether they are still here or not. That wasn't my point.

06 Jan 2014 12:24:26
Sydney.
Thats Irrevelant, End of the day they aren't Manchester United players, and I don't see janugz being here for long term without CL football

Attitude, how is it "irrelevant" that we DID identify talent, contradictory to what you said. You have very poor banter skills mate, grow up a little bit.

RF, I would save it mate. It isn't registering.

06 Jan 2014 09:46:05
This is my first post in a while but just thought I'd share my views.

It's clear our squad is not good enough and SAF performed a miracle to make this team into champions. We are playing players who over the last 20 years do not even come close to who we have had. For example if players like Cleverley, Evans, Young and others were playing for other sides would we be on here saying we should move heaven and earth to sign them? No we wouldn't.

Another problem I think we have is how often we play players in unnatural positions. Smalling isn't a full back, Jones isn't a full back but can just get away with CM when played in a midfield 3, Kagawa is not a winger neither is Welbeck. There are not many top teams who would replace their RB when injured with their 4th/5th choice CB instead of a like for like such as Fabio? You would also think that when Rooney is injured we would surely let Kagawa play in the hole but it was Welbeck yesterday. So that's 2 players playing a position which isn't their favoured one.

Clearly players need to be signed but I'm doubtful we will see any movement and if we do whether the players brought in would be good enough to turn the side around, especially in central midfield.

Moyes should be given time, people know the team is not good enough to retain the title when comparing this to the other title contenders and even though Moyes can take part of the blame for this as he had the summer to bring in new players and only got Fellaini, it isn't all his fault we are in the state we are in.

06 Jan 2014 10:18:39
My First Post on this site was ". Moyes doesn't have a clue on his best starting 11. ". seems perfect.

Attitude, Moyes hasn't been able to choose our best XI all season due to injury. We are currently missing Rafael, Jones, Fellaini, Rooney, Nani, Young & Van Persie. Vidic & Carrick have suffered injuries and now Ferdinand is injured.

06 Jan 2014 11:07:55
Sydney.

Seems you have an obsession with Moyes.
Rooney have been playing for almost 12+ matches. Young woudlnt start anyways. Vidic and Rio have been poor at the Back. Fellaini We all know what a magician he is, Nani had his chance has been nothing but average.
RVP is the only one Moyes actually missed Rest woulndt start anyways.
I don't understand what's your point.
You talking about the same person, who played welbeck in the hole and kagawa on left yesterday?

I will break it down for you. Fellaini cost MU £30m in the summer. If fully fit he would be playing. As would DDG, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Nani/Young, Carrick, Rooney & RvP who were all missing yesterday.

Yesterday we were missing DDG, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fellaini, one of Nani/Young, Rooney & RvP. That's NINE/TEN first team players. How would Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Spurs do without their first 9/10 players missing?

06 Jan 2014 12:27:16
Sydney.
DDG, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fellaini, one of Nani/Young,
These First teamers would warm bench at chelsea, Arsenal and City. Most of them are bench warmers at UTD.
Fellaini fully fit wouldn't even get into southampton side.
Try offloading all your first teamers and let's see how much we could recoup (bar age)

Attitude, you are not a MU fan. You are just some wind-up merchant posing as a MU fan.

The players you have mentioned are our first team players. Stop acting like a 10 year old and talk sense.

Sydney

DDG, Rafael, Jones, RVP and Rooney are the only one we can say we missed yesterday. The rest are average at best.

Arguably Moyes' strongest possible line-up would include the likes of DDG, Rafael, Jones, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fellaini, Valencia, Nani/Young, Rooney & Van Persie.

How many played last night? Valencia? Even he didn't play a full game.

06 Jan 2014 13:58:56
Sydney is David Moyes and CTR is Phil Neville.

Or should I say laurel and hardy

Nick, not my point. I am talking about who Moyes would have wanted.

@Nick86

What we missed yesterday was a cutting edge, something which Rafael, Jones, RVP, Rooney DDG provide.

RF, even Nani and Young would have offered a lot more than we had last night.

06 Jan 2014 09:24:20
It seems we're split between those who think Moyes is doing a bad job and those who think he should be given time.
It doesn't have to be either or. I think he's been poor in the media and lacks the gravitas to inspire the players but also think he should be given time! On a positive note he has been very aggressive with his substitutions

Are there really people here who think that Moyes ISN'T doing a bad job?

The real test for Moyes will come over the next 25 days. He needs to sign two first team players (a world class CM and a top left sided player). If he doesn't he'll be gone by the end of the season.

06 Jan 2014 00:35:12
SAF is just as much to blame as Moyes and the Glazers. he picked this under qualified manager and he should be getting just as much stick as them.

Yes he did recommend him but the Glazers appointed him. They did not have to appoint him and could have chosen someone else. The reason Fergie should hold some of the blame was because he failed to address the midfield and aging squad issues thus leaving Moyes with a tougher job.

06 Jan 2014 08:02:08
I too Agree upto some extent. SAF has to have the share of the mess. He won us the title. But Thers a huge difference in winning the title and winning the title with argubly the best team around.
Our Team was more or less the same last seaosn. and As wise says, thers always a point, when your growth stops and fall starts.
SAF knew, last seaosn was that point.

Attitude, it's not the same at all. Scholsy is out and cleverly is no where near the standards of his, and Giggs is a year older and isn't able to save us no more. Both Ferdinand and Vidic are getting older too and Evra is even older. RVP is on injury when he wasn't. Young and Kagawa are getting worse. With Fergie, I doubt we maybe 5th or 6th, but no where near to compete in the top 4.

06 Jan 2014 09:54:36
Rumour No.1.
Thats exactly My point is, SAF knew last seaosn, This was the end, and we would be falling down with his team unless we don't bring 5-6 players.
Eds said here, He had his tansfer list, What on Earth were the board doing all 3 months in the Summer?. Forget Thiago and Baines, Strooterman went to roma for around 13-15 mill. Its shame we couldn't bring even one quality player?
I think with this midfield and curretn set up, City would smash us at home. Worried!