Manchester United Banter Archive July 06 2011

06 Jul 2011 23:27:46
It seems Liverpool's spending is not over, we can expect more world class players like Downing, Doni, Dann & Park Chu Young. Sunderland are buying better players than Liverpool.

Sydney!

06 Jul 2011 22:49:28
A few points as usual.

On Carrick.

There are many arguements for and against the Qualities of Carrick. My personal opinion is a good squad player but shouldn't be first choice. If as I have said that we end up going for 2 class cm's Im sure Carrick will be used alot less in the next few years. I said just a few days ago that his passing under pressure is very average and people pointing to high % pass rate makes no difference as with his sideways and backward passing its always going to be high. Also the distances covered will be high anyway as running constanly in CM is needed so thats hardly surprising.

More and more teams are picking up on the fact the way to play against us is high pressure and and pressing the CM. We seen v Birmingham, Wolves, West Brom, Liverpool (away) City (in semi) and a few more, all games we would all agree the CM was woefull. None of these teams have real world class CM's yet we were still over run in all them due to the pressure on our CM, which then crumbled. Im not sure but Carrick defo played in at least 4 of the above games and without the space afforded to him in most OT games his forward passing goes out the window, his head goes down and our CM suffers as a result. Obviously its not all down to him and without Fletch's energy, Scholes and Ando's mobility limited this also reflected on bad CM performances but surely this highlights the points of lot on here that he is fine as a squad player but we need others who can play under pressure and still play the way they can going forward.

So as I said squad player for Professionalism, used more in rotation than first 11 and exp.

@ Moon.

Your CM you are asking for is Vidal. Ticks all the boxes you are asking for. Check out some of his games last year if you not seen much. Or stay up late and watch him live i think on Friday v Uruguay.Against Mexico for instance he was a million miles away from anyone on the park and played DCM, CAM and out left. Played well in all positions and even scored when playing out left(from a corner tho). He played short, cross field, long diagonal passes all accurately and didnt shirk away in the face of needing to get dirty in the tackle.

Imo he would be perfect for us and WOULD play ahead of Carrick.

@Murph.

If as you say you watched the Chile game how can you say Sanchez has good control? his first touch was terrible every single time. Yeah he kept running all game but crosses were pants, missed 1v1 sitter and ALWAYS ran into trouble by keeping the ball far to long, sound familiar?. If we ended up with him I'd be happy but wouldn expect massive things straight away if thats how he will play. All based on 1 performance tho so will see fri if he improves against better opposition.

Jono

06 Jul 2011 22:15:58
With Nasri heading to City, Modric pushing for a move to Chelsea, A**m signing for Liverpool (thank god) that leaves Wesley Sneijder as United's main man yes? No - I have been informed by a good source within Manchester United, that Fergie is livid as City have agreed a deal that will see Carlos Tevez join Inter Milan with Sneijder heading the other way Fergie is furious that United have missed the boat on this one apparently.

06 Jul 2011 22:10:21
everyone please stop with schweinsteiger read raphael honigstein on twitter. He's got all the latest on bayern and its a no go. Rincewind

06 Jul 2011 22:01:44
But we improved and we have a FAR BETTER midfield than uniteds. Be prepared to get run over again next season mancs S.A RED """
dear mr s.a red
you know what dear sir
ngiak believes that if you believe in something fervantly enough, its the truth for you
so be it.
you have a FAR BETTER midfield
ngiak shall not deny you your objectivity
5 months till december
you are entitled to your opinions and hopes till then.
but ngiak also assumes you have been following the sports pages since last december right?
but again,
you are right, ngiak admits man united need to strengthen the midfield.
gan

06 Jul 2011 21:31:45
I think SAF will be looking to sign an established playmaker/attacking midfielder ie. Sneijder, Modric or schweinsteiger. I don't see him taking any chances on a player like Moussa Sissoko etc who might have a lot of potential but play in an inferior standard of league.

06 Jul 2011 20:14:02
Just seen this on city rumours

ed how much would messi cost if we were to put a bid in for him ? {Ed016's Note - He has a release clause of £200 mill}

do city fans eat persil tablets?

06 Jul 2011 19:38:41
Still hoping we get a CM in. Personally i think Nasri will stay at Arsenal and Modric will stay put or go to Chelski.
Have to say has to be Sneidjer for me he is total class, just what we need.
Would cost a fair bit but I think we need to spend on the Midfield as it's been distinctly average now for a few years.
Also hope we keep Berba, think he did well last year and don't think we'd get great value from selling him.
Worth more to us than say 10m that we'd get for him.

06 Jul 2011 19:27:19
Uhm...liverpool have a crap midfield? Lol. Stupidest thing i've ever heard. Liverpool always overrun that 'crap' midfield of uniteds and hold their own against the rest of the top sides in the league. Also you say c*****e a**m is s**t? He tore u apart in both matches u playd against blackpool. Admittedly liverpool were horrible the 1st half of the season and any team could have beat us. But we improved and we have a FAR BETTER midfield than uniteds. Be prepared to get run over again next season mancs S.A RED {Ed007's Note - Well it won't be run over with an open top bus parade from LFC. As for LFC being "horrible" I don't think CA will change that, have you seen him????}

06 Jul 2011 18:46:32
Cant see Chelsea going after Nasri still think it is between us and City Modric seems to have his heart set on Chelsea although i think Pastore is there number 1 target.

06 Jul 2011 18:11:56
Who would guys prefer:

A young Ravel Morrison or a Young Ronaldo?

The Moon.

06 Jul 2011 17:59:03
fergie should have gave hargreaves a new contract, hargreaves was a key player for us when we won the champions league and the league, maybe he was wrong in releasing him

in other news sneijder will join for 35m

your thoughts on hargreaves ED ? {Ed007's Note - Quality player that has been extremely unlucky with his injury woes. Sad to see such a promising career go that way, but I think Utd needed to let him go.}

06 Jul 2011 17:50:05
Hello Everybody,

I am back from my Fergiesque end of season break, to regail you with my worthless little contributions. I saw my old sparring partner Rainfish was getting a bit of a hammering the other day, well wait till I tell him I have just come back from my holidays in Florida with the wife and kids, cue his conspiracy theory that maybe I really am a Glazer agent. Well before you say it Rainfish I am not, ask my Uncle Malcolm if you don't believe me. But remember there is a 5 hour time difference, so at this time of the day he will probably be with his lawyers at Chase Bank totting up the dollars to pound exchange rate.

Anyway I believe we have signed Young and DeGea in my absence, well we will have to wait and see I suppose. Don't exactly have me salivating but I suppose the same could be said about last years acquisition of the Little Pea. I don't see Nasri coming now Chelsea and the Northern Chelsea have put their oar in. Was he coming anyway? Have we done our summer dealings? Is Rooney destined to play the new role? Is Anderson going to be given his chance to prove himself, now the Ginger Prince has gone? Have we spent any of the money in reserve? Lets be honest we got money for winning the Prem and with the retirements of Scholes, VDS, Neville and release of Hargreaves the balance books in terms of wages don't really change do they. Need to prove me wrong Mr Gill, Mr Ferguson oh and Uncle Malc

regards

Mike the Moston Red {Ed007's Note - Welcome back Mike, I hope you and the family had a nice holiday}

06 Jul 2011 16:58:54
People might remember Ravel Morrison being called back to court as the judge gave him a fine instead of sending him to jail. Well it was all cleared up today and a criminal damage charge is not a breach of his license, he was actually discharged by the judge, with the courts having to pay him back the fine that he paid a couple of months ago.

Ravel did not accept the money back, he asked for it to be donated to the Royal Manchester Children s Hospital.

Sydney!

06 Jul 2011 16:29:19
Torqs me personally not saying he's best in world. Just that's he's underated. Judging by a few here. Badly. but i'll take your opinion and ask who exactly is better for the club. Bear in mind his whole career he's played in good sides and is more than capable in the prem. I can only think of a handful sensibly. But wouldn't mind seeing your extensive list though. Cons red

06 Jul 2011 16:01:52
Savic receive a script from Cooke well at least he can read I suppose...

06 Jul 2011 15:18:05
SYDNEY counting all the players above 21 and applying all the rules regarding the squad + assuming we sign 1 more player above 21 will have room in the squad for OWEN HARGREAVES?
(I Just cant forget 2007-08)

MUMBAI_BOY

06 Jul 2011 14:24:13
A lot of speculation doing the rounds just now, fascinating stuff but I feel we have to be realistic.

First of all Wesley Sneijder. Fantastic player no doubt about that at all however I think there is a lot of things that Sir Alex will think about before attempting to buy the dutchman. Sneijder would cost a minimum of £30million. Which is big money especially since he is 27 years old and may not have to many years left at the highest level. Secondly he commands one of the largest salaries in the game. He earns around £200k p/w at Inter Milan thats a lot of money to be shelling out on a player at any level. Next, his resale value would decrease as he gets older. Then there's the biggest problem imo. His position. Rooney has been playing the deeper role behind Hernandez and thats the role Sneijder plays at Inter. I don't doubt Sniejder is a tremendous talent but for me I couldn't see him playing in a 4-4-2 in the middle of the field box-to-box therefore you would sacrifice Rooney or Hernandez which I would have serious doubts about as SAF believes in their partnership.

I personally hope United decide to make a move for Modric or Schweinsteiger. Both accomplished CM players. Can go box to box and are arguably the heartbeats of their respective sides. Modric would probably cost £30-35million on wages £125-£150k p/w, Schweinsteiger probably the same.

Food for thought, whats your opinion Ed? {Ed007's Note - Sneijder at 27 hasn't got many years left in him? Scholes? Giggs? Sneijder is in his prime and could go straight into the team and his experience could prove invaluable. Sometimes money needs to be paid for "the now" rather than 4/5 years time. I have always said Sneijder would be my choice, I'm not saying it will happen, that is just my opinion so I need to stick by that or face the wrath of everyone on here.}

06 Jul 2011 13:46:59
Cass seems half and half to me. More sense on the pro :) But lets find out. No replies just agree or disagree: CARRICK IS AN ASSET UNDERVALUED IN OUR TEAM cons red

06 Jul 2011 13:40:33
quick question folks

owen hargeaves good or bad? {Ed007's Note - You following me lol}

06 Jul 2011 13:31:22
eds can i ask you do u think we will get all of our business in the transfer market out of the way before we go on tour? Usually fergie comes out and says "that is all" once he has got every1 he wants and he hasnt said that yet and im assuming he wants a CM to add creative flair in the middle of the park. What do u think? {Ed007's Note - It is hard to say, look at the Berbatov deal}

06 Jul 2011 13:24:13
I think we will finally end up with Sneijder. What do the other guys think?

REDFAITH

06 Jul 2011 13:10:06
Ok with the carrick debate can people starting putting names at end of day its OPINIONS which were all entitled to. At the moment i see the majority on here so far are saying carrick is not a great player and should not be in the united team? What we all Saying. . . Remember Names... Casseddy

06 Jul 2011 12:30:33
Hello everyone. new poster - great site ed's.
If we get sneijder, and he plays behind rooney and hernandez with 2 wingers ( and nobody should include giggs when listing wingers), will we not be completely overrun in the middle of the park with just carrick? There is no way I can see Alex buying sneijder unless he plans to move to a 4-3-3 formation, but this means we would need an incredible defensive midfielder I think he might be interested in either nasri or modric, but i feel he is willing to give anderson this year to prove himself with a lot of game-time and gradually introduce jones for carrick in less important games. Looking forward to smalling playing more, he really looks like is going to be fantastic defender. {Ed007's Note - Thanks, and welcome to the site, try and think of a nickname or "handle", you don't have to, but it helps people get to know you and answer you}

06 Jul 2011 12:08:30
Michael Carrick . .. . IMO not good enugh to be first team regular at our club. All big teams have big world class players in their midfield. Carrick cant even be put in the same breath as most of them. With Man Utd as big a club as they are just thought theyd have bigger n better players than Carrick.

06 Jul 2011 11:42:32
Given that Chelsea suffered so badly last season after the sacking of Butch Wilkins, and given his previous links with United (not to mention the Special one). Why is it United not moved to sign his services? He is a great pundit on Sky - the only one who actually tells you about stuff you can't see on screen, eg the movement of Chico. He is a class act, proven at the highest level and I don't understand why there is not a stampede for his services - ed?

06 Jul 2011 11:22:23
I'm starting to feel a tad sorry for Arsenal fans... Losing 3 of their best players and it now looks like they have missed out on Alvarez AND Stekelenburg... I do agree with what Scholes said though in that Sir Alex would NEVER let this happen to his club and would NEVER let them go so long without silverware.
It does make me worry about exactly what we are going to do when Sir Alex does decide to retire.

APC

06 Jul 2011 11:15:58
We are a million miles away from barcalona so the best signin of all would be their coaches, give them what ever they want. Roonbest

06 Jul 2011 10:29:25
ed do you think it will be 1 more signing or 2. {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. So I will say 2 or 3.}

06 Jul 2011 08:01:30
if carrick never controls or imposes himself on the game then why was it that we played our best football last season only when carrick returned to form? Don't you think he might have had something to do with it? Carrick controls the centre and dictates the pace of the game with his passing and movement, alot of what he does to control a game is off the ball so if your watching on tv you'll never see most of the work he does as tv cameras follow the ball and not players. Carrick isn't a beast of a midfielder who scares the crap out of the oppersition with his physical pressance like keane used to but carrick is just as important to the success of united as keane was, do you think we'd have won 4 titles in the last 5 years and been to 3 champions league finals(keane only managed 1 final and got himself suspended for it, and we won it without him) without carrick controling our midfield that is why he is a great midfielder. He isn't like keane nor is he like scholes he is his own man and has his own way of playing, we paid 16m plus add ons which he has met now taking to fee close to 20m do you think sir Alex would waste 20m on a player who is not good enough for united, of course not. If you think you know better than the greatest manager of all time then i look forward to seeing you take over from him when he retires and all the garrenteed success were gonna have under you obvious genius, as quite clearly sir Alex doesn't know a thing compared to you.
Shappy

06 Jul 2011 01:12:19
Who do you guys actually want to replace Sir Alex?

Personally I would like Owen Coyle or Loew.

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - Can I say NL??? ;-)

06 Jul 2011 00:29:31
just want to point out that it looks like arsenal know that if they loose fab, clichey AND nasri then their fans will not be happy. I reckon they will offer nasri a contract much better than 90k a week and convince him that they'll sign with ambition this summer. Also the fact that fab is 80% likely to leave nasri will be offered a more central role which he has spoken about his preference to play in that position in the past.

But with fabregas leaving for barca, this COULD mean that it will make it easier for us to sign sanchez and i know fergie likes this guy. All this bullsheesh talk about sanchez only wanting to join barca is rubbish, these reports are only coming out because dirty barca tell all their targets that they only wanna sign for barca to get them cheaper (as it would be a money from barca or no money at all) i think sanchez would sign for us if udinese were happy with a bid we through at them.