Manchester United Banter Archive May 06 2012

06 May 2012 22:08:08
Has anyone else noticed how Blair Muppet never responds to any posts about how poor Liverpool are all he ever does is tell us why we are so bad and how terrible our squad is.

Marky Mark

06 May 2012 21:42:01
Here's an interesting perspective to look at the state of our squad. City have had a hell of a season and we've had a awful one by our high standards. But we are equal on points with City and how many points do people feel we'ed have if we had an injury list similar to that of City's? I mean City have had 50-60 injuries to our 280+, so if we had 200 less injuries this season don't you think we'd have a few more points? So in fairness our squad have done very well. Arsenal are the closest team in terms of numbers of injuries and they're well over 10 points behind us and struggling to make champions league. If we strengthen our obvious weaknesses and improvr tactically then there is no reason we can't challenge and win major honours next season, surely we can't have two seasons of injuries like this one. So lets stop with the doom and gloom, lets ignore the silly scousers that are infact a midtable team. They only come on here to feel as if they are still competing with us in some way because out on the pitch they haven't been competing with us for more than a few seasons now, and are unlikely to do so again for another few seasons. Let them celebrate anyone but us winning a trophy if thats wat makes them happy. We can see them for the sad bitter fools they are. We will make signings in the summer, Sir Alex has never let the team stand still, he always looks to improve and if it wasn't for injuries then we'd probably be celebrating a title this year inspite of City's spending. We have some fantastic young players with more waiting in the academy and we will make a few signings and most importantly we will be a force next year. We are United and we always will be.

Shappy

06 May 2012 21:15:37
Blair Mayne

What gives Liverpool fans the right to mock United fans, considering you are in 9th place? ONE good reason please.

Also, isn't it ever so funny that Blair and Jatt etc. say that City are now top dogs in Manchester? We are behind them on goal difference, yet Liverpool are 4 points behind Everton, but they say nothing about that. Sad stuff.

Just how far have they fallen?

G.A.G.U.S

06 May 2012 20:50:14
I always felt City would win today and so it happened. It was surreal stood watching the tv in the ground and no doubt the team were also watching because they came out just after the final whistle at Newcastle.

Credit to the team they must have been gutted yet came out to perform in an atmosphere where everyone knew what it meant so whilst everyone praised citys character our own team deserves a mention for their character in the circumstances. Let us be honest we have taken it to the last day and that day when city won at OT I couldnt see that happening

The match, how long did it take us to have a shot? Scholes legs had gone today, it was embarrassing he couldnt keep up and the game was played around him. Cleverly, well he is not the midfield general we need, I know this will bring plenty of disagrees but for me he can only play in front of two holding players , he will not take games by the scruff and dictate play and has continuing injury concerns. Hernandez had chances but is having a nightmare, Rooney looks like he is off the pace he is not bursting past anyone. 

I watched Allen closely, decent player made Scholes look leggy but is not going to bridge the gap between us and City.

We know the problems and the challenges but there is a real issue paying the salaries of the standard of players we need

Overall they won which was difficult in the circumstances

Red Man

06 May 2012 19:27:05
Blair Muppet

We will finish the season with 6 maybe 9 extra points over last season.How many extra points will the mighty Liverpool have over last season?

Now which team is in decline!

Do you actually look at the table -you do realise we have the same amount of points as city and considering the injuries we have had this season i think that is a pretty good achievement.


Marky Mark

06 May 2012 19:15:43
Right I posted earlier about the Kagawa situation and would reply there but I feel it would be lost amoungst most of the pointless Liverpool posters provocative and irritating posts.
Now if we are to sign Kagawa I feel it is a sign that we look to be changing formation. As people have stated below he is a CAM he can not play in a two man midfield. Therefore as a result of this it appears as though we are going back to formation we played a few years back with Rooney as the lone striker.
If that is the case it worries me. I mean it really worries me. We do not have a strong enough midfield if we are deciding to try and dictate games. I would go as far as saying we need a completely new midfield trio.
Now if we assume that Kagawa has signed well then there is one CAM signed. Kagawa is a hard worker so we would need one DM and another hard worker CAM imo.
Now we can all see the effect Yaya Toure has on that City team. He is an unbelievable gifted and strong player. He is a monster to deal with. He tore us apart and he has been doing that to teams all year. He just bullies teams and then he has Silva and Nasri to do the football for him even though he is brilliant at that himself. So I for one feel we need a physical and dominate midfielder. I would go ALL out and just immediately go for Javi Martinez. The guy is unbelievable and I feel he will be better than Alonso. He is twice the defender Alonso is and his passing is equally as good. I would go as far as saying he could probably dictate a game on his own playing in a one man midfield... He is that good.
For the second CAM we need someone creative, we need a hard worker, we need someone consistent. Taking all that in mind two names come up in my head, Christian Eriksen from Ajax and if the rumours of him being unsettled are true, Mesut Ozil from Real Madrid. Either would be brilliant. Personally I would favour Ozil as I think he is an extraordinary player but Eriksen could become something special. Either would be able to dictate a game for us.
Now their are only two other positions I could see us needing to reinforce, that is LB and LM.
LB is easy... Izaguirre from Celtic would be my choice all day long. Hard working, reasonable price, excellent defensively and offers a threat going forward. He is also welcome to the idea of coming here and would like to come here. His purchase could easily be funded by selling Evra off to PSG or Anzi or somewhere like that.
Secondly LM. I would love to see Bale here because I think he could excel here but he would be way too expensive so I would opt for James Rodriguez from Porto. He is an excellent player and a hard working player. I say if we sold Berbatov and Anderson along with some money left over from the Evra sale we would break even after buying Rodriguez as we could also lengthen the payment over a few years.
Now can anyone argue against a team like this next year.
....................De Gea
Rafael.....Smalling....Vidic.....Izaguirre
....................Martinez
Valencia...Kagawa....Eriksen/Ozil....Rodriguez
....................Rooney
Subs: Lindengaard, Clyne, Jones, Rio, Evans, Fryers, Carrick, Cleverley, Scholes, Pogba, Young, Nani, Welbeck and Hernandez
Now defensively we are brilliant with no more Evra to worry about and a solid, brilliant CDM in Martinez. Rafael is only getting better and when Smalling and Vidic have played together they have been immense.
Now in attack we set for years. A midfield trio of Martinez, Kagawa and Eriksen/Ozil would dominate against any midfield in the world other than Barcelona's but it is an ageing midfield. All the players are brilliant passers of the ball and can spot a throughball a mile off. We would have an unreal sub bench with brilliant attacking options with Nani, Young, Welbeck and Hernandez and very good defensive options in Rio, Jones and Evans who has had a good year. The midfield would also have brilliant cover as Cleverley is a very good young player with huge talent and Pogba and Carrick are both good defensively and offensively along with the pass master Scholes.
Now obviously finance would play a huge part in the creation of that team. Sales of players like Anderson, Berbatov and Evra along with fringe players could cover the cost to buy Rodriguez and Izaguirre. Kagawa wont cost much, hopefully under 10 million (7 million according to some reports) and I would only sign Ozil if it was for 25 million or below and Eriksen for around 20 million. So say 7 million + 20 million + 30 million it would take to sign martinez that is 57 million well spent imo. And it was only a few seasons back we spent that amount. I cant see any of this happening other than Kagawa though. I am too optimistic and I am hoping Fergie realises we need strengthening and I am not sure if I am the only one who feels we need a new midfield...
The Red Manc
p.s Sorry for the long post.... Any comments Ed? {Ed004's Note - You can't argue that the team wouldn't be brilliant and the supply to Rooney would be amazing but in all likeness the funds will not be there to make such a dramatic change to the team.}

06 May 2012 19:06:13
with City's squad and no doubt further strengthening this (and probably every succeeding) window you must surely see the writing on the wall...your time has now gone. Finishing 2nd this time will be your highest
position for the next ten years. Why? Well apart from other teams strengthening and improving generally your squad is far too thin on quality. Add to this that Choker Ferguson will carry on dancing to the Glazer's tune and see 'no value in the market'

Puzzled

06 May 2012 18:54:02
If rating on crossing ability is to be given to following players, what would be it out of 10??

Ashley Young
Nani
Valencia
P.Evra
P.Jones
Rafael

All are supposedly full backs( make shifts) or wingers.

06 May 2012 18:41:29
Why do people keep saying that we are great at bringing through young players? HONESTLY when was the last time that we brought someone through the ranks for them to make such an impact at United?
The last few that we had we sold onwards, due to home reasons and not making it into the starting eleven, such as Rossi and Pique.
The young players that we have in the starting eleven have come from other teams.

melwing28 {Ed004's Note - Cleverley currently....}

06 May 2012 18:19:00
A number of websites believe that Kagawa is a done deal whilst other say that Gaitan is. My question is who would you prefer, and also do you think both could be on the cards? If both did come in SAF would try to convert one to play alongside say Carrick in a 4-4-2. Not sure thats a wise idea, but its something that he would do. There certainly seems to be interest there for both.

Also im delighted to be linked to Luuk De Jong who is a classy palyer and would be a good addition.

Thoughts on the topic?

RedDevil19

06 May 2012 18:15:16
To All the City Fans.........
You Can Never buy the Title..


Oh ...No .Im wrong ...Apparently You Can...And You did...
Well Done...smf

06 May 2012 17:50:59
Well, we played well but we never were really going to wipe the floor with them, Swansea are a good side, a sterner test than the likes of Liverpool and other crap teams. Young was good, Cleverly played well when he came on, Berbatov looks so uninterested (looks as though he's resigned to leaving). We've done okay.

Lets just hope that QPR perform a miracle.

RedDevil19

06 May 2012 17:29:22
between smalling and young for man of match so far me.

Anyone think otherwise. De gea playing well again.

Cban

06 May 2012 17:24:59
United really have bottled it this season, fergies ready for his retirement home.

Andy LFC

06 May 2012 16:53:06
The power has shifted to the blue half. Deal with it.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

i think you should be telling this to your own supporters blair...

JK92

06 May 2012 16:43:09
The power has shifted to the blue half. Deal with it.

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
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Can't the same be said for Merseyside?

G.A.G.U.S

06 May 2012 16:44:53
The two top teams in manchester now are city and city reserves, having a nice afternoon ladies, you will be sinking down the table next season

Andy LFC

06 May 2012 16:22:51
Lol thats you lot taken down a few pegs then!

Ben

06 May 2012 15:53:15
Now that title is almost out of reach, What should United and SAF in particular learn from this season?

Al!

06 May 2012 15:47:49
Just thought I'd post on what I think will happen today.

We've all seen the team that's been put out and in all honestly I think we'll draw. I'm hoping for a 6-0 win or something along those lines but I think it'll be 1-1 with us scoring at the end.

As for the City game, Toure's goals were very good and if they win the league next week I'll be the first to congratulate them on winning it.

Here's hoping I'm wrong and we batter Swansea.

The Moon.

06 May 2012 15:42:17
Is there any reason my posts aren't being posted? Not being a jerk, just wondering.

Percy

06 May 2012 14:56:19
Now i know why they let this person on our site. I was reading the Liverpool site to see what they said about yesterday and there was a post from blair followed by the comment "Great post as usual" From Ed 002. If that is the quality of Ed002 he should not be allowed near our site and also shows why he doesn't post most of mine but allows this baffoon on our site. I AM KLOOT {Ed007's Note - RFT mate, it was Ed022 who said that, he is an LFC fan and is not allowed to edit on here, it was nothing at all to do with Ed002 who is currently in the USA.}
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RFT, you really are a big girls blouse. Ed002 has never said 'great post as usual'. Try reading the replies more closely mate, before making childish accusations.

Cheers

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Ps. Me thinks your jealous? {Ed002's Note - Post of the day. What time will you be i for your tea Blair?}

06 May 2012 15:34:20
Newcatle gave a good fight, a game 3 days after another bog game, I think was a good response and as much as it hurts Me, City deserved it, Fact! Yaya Toure is something else.

Now lets concentrate in our game and do whatevet is possible to score as many we. Even If its already clear who's the PL champions this year.

Good luck United- I'll always be beside you

Nick86

06 May 2012 15:29:52
Blackburn Home
Everton Home

The results that lost us the title

06 May 2012 15:27:59
I hope you lads can scramble a win today so that at least the title race will (theoretically) go to the last round of matches

Puzzled

06 May 2012 15:26:59
Been a good weekend for City fans really, their old team won the F.A Cup yesterday, and they've pretty much just won the league today.

06 May 2012 15:21:22
Dont think you will have seen a worse home performance from Newcastle all season, very disappointing. Fair play city for not cracking under pressure, a regrettably deserved win. Heres to hoping we can put 10 past swansea.

JWalk

06 May 2012 13:53:26
Now i've seen the comment by Sir Alex this morning and i think he is spot on, when it comes to money we just can't compete with the unlimited funds that City have. But i don't get all this despair about it, it's hardly new news or a shocking revelation. And imo i feel the best players we've signed or at least the ones who've had the biggest impact haven't been the big name players but the cheaper ones with potential. Would you rather have Veron, Berbatov, Ferdinand, and Rooney or Vidic, Ronaldo, Evra and VDS? the first group have some important players but i feel the second group which didn't cost as much as Berbatov did alone have been more influential. If you really wanna throw the cat amoung the pidgeons what about this group Giggs, Scholes, Neville and Beckham. So it looks like the best playes we've had since Sir Alex took over have been either homegrown or cheaper lesser known talents not the big marquee type signings.

So we sit here and bemoan us not signing players such as Martinez Hazard and Gotze but they came from somewhere so how did there current clubs get them? in most cases players sold for big fees tend to have either been bought for small fees by their current club or they came through the youth ranks or spotted by scouts and gambled on before anyone else noticed them. So thats where we should be focusing not on trying to out spend a team with a bottomless pit.

Now i see there has been talk about the Glaziers and that they are the reason we can't compete with City, this is stupid and false, although the Glaziers will be restricting the amount of money we could spend City have a bottomless pit so even if we offered money equal to what city are then they would just offer more, then were will we end up? paying players a million a week? probably because city could afford to do it.

Now i hate the Glaziers with a passion for what they are doing to the club i love but i am a realist not a dreamer. The Glaziers have had most of their business's fail or at least take a huge hit, they are relying on making money out of our club to save them from bankruptcy basically so they will only sell the club at a huge profit and the only people who will spend that kind of money on the club will also want to make money out of it. The moment we first became a plc we went from a sporting club to a business and business's exsit soley to make money for their owners. So there are only two ways to rid ourselves of the Glaziers, one is to destroy the club making it worth less to them but would you burn down your own house just to stop a thief stealing your possessions? The other would be to simply kill the Glaziers but thats not an option and who would the club then belong to is anyones guess so it's abit like russian roulette. Either way it would appear the only way this will end well for our club is to wait until the Glaziers are ready to sell then hope a group like the red knights or a group of wealthy fans can come together and buy the club fom the Glaziers. Unfortunately this day is a long way off so it looks like we are in for a bumpy ride for the next decade or so, this doesn't mean we can't compete just that we need to box clever from here on in.

Shappy

06 May 2012 13:20:09
Finally a poster with a brain. Well done Redfaith.-MB-

06 May 2012 12:49:28
Football like life is not about reaching a destination, it's about the journey you take getting there. If City win today and go on and win the league then they will deserve it because they have been the best team. But they will still be City, they will not seen what we have seen or been where we have been. They weren't at Old Trafford when Barcelona were 2-0 up from a home win to see us put three past them. They weren't in Rotterdam or Turin or Barcelona or Moscow. Lets face it their best memory before this year was beating us 5-1 in 89 and they are still going on about it. We have been the luckiest set of supporters ever to live we have seen some of the best football played and certainly some of the best players ever to play the game. Our manager came and knocked Liverpool right off their perch and placed us at the very top of English football. Sometimes he put us at the top of European and World football. So if City win the league show some dignity and show some class for we are Manchester United and lets face it we've had it all. I AM KLOOT

06 May 2012 03:28:55
Found this on the lfc page:

Unlucky today but beaten by the better team
been a good season. I've always been stuck between which team to support Liverpool or Arsenal so not been a good day for me.

ANDY LFC (mighty reds)

lol So it looks like mr Andy Lfc could be Andy Afc, and they have the cheek to question our fans. lol.

Shappy
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Shappy!! You legend!! What a knob Andy is. You know how big a knob he is? He probably has to glue his feet to the ceiling, so he can take a pi55 out of his head.

G.A.G.U.S

G.A.G.U.S

06 May 2012 11:31:23
I really hope that we do sign Kagawa, he is a very classy player with bags of talent. Too many people are concentrating on his low fee and assuming he isn't class due to his low fee. You really couldn't be more wrong. I think Kagawa will score 15 or more goals a season with 15 or more assists. A truly exceptional player who wants to join us, I hope we want to sign him.-MB-

06 May 2012 11:18:29
Between 1992 and 2010, United spent £409,090,000.

Since 08 to present, City have spent £483,450,000!

And people are questioning why we can't compete with City?!

No Value in the market - City Signed Jo, Lescott, Dzeko, Barry, Kolorov, Milner, Balotelli for all over £20 Million each.

Liverpool signed Carroll, Downing,Henderson for all over £15 Million each.

Chelsea signed Lukaku, Obi Mikel, Bosingwa for all over £15 Million each.

The fact is teams will milk clubs for as much as they can which makes prices become unrealistic and players will move to these clubs for ridiculous wages.

People come on here and are saying City have bought the title and in the next breath saying we need to go out and splash loads of money?!

We need to strengthen obviously, but we need to do it wisely!

SAF is right, we cannot compete with city and there is no value in the market!

In Spain, Barcelona cannot compete with Real when it comes to transfers so what have they done, develop the youngsters and make wise purchases, and this is what SAF is trying to do.

Yes he will make mistakes but there is always that chance but is he laying foundations for long term success not like city, short term success.

I wish some fans didn't act like spoilt brats and when we don't get things are way, throw their toys out the pram, in 10 years time, we will still be challenging for all major trophies, and as for city, maybe they will, maybe it will end in tears!

Ports

06 May 2012 10:17:54
todays comments do seem quite worrying but also how do you compete with city? I for one never expected hazard or martinez.

06 May 2012 10:03:30
Ive been going to old trafford since i was 7 in 1980,i was born and raised in crumpsall and have a season ticket in the n/e quad and goto every home match work permitting,i only post what i believe to be true and not what i think will make me popular,the other day i posted that kagawa and sigurrdsson wouldnt be enough to bring our midfield upto scratch one reason being kagawa plays the same position as rooney tge other being city will sign hazard and other world class players to go along with their already world class midfield,chelsea will also buy big and thats before we talk about barca and real and bayern,then we have todays interview with saf which to me reads like a different way of saying no value in the market,it may not be popular with you all posting your teams for next season with the likes of martinez in them but i am worried because i truly have the club at heart and contribute to it regularly,and i am not expecting a majour summer signing now and with our best youth player out the door and our reserve team captain not signed up i really hope these parsasitic owners sell up asap.
Ste73

06 May 2012 09:50:29
Surprise Surprise! The transfer window is just around the corner and SAF has started his annual "no value inthe market" nonsense. Expect some unknown kids and some bargain basement deals and nothing else. Looks like wr will be slipping further behind Europes big boys who have the spending power to match their statis. Cant help but come back to our yank owners as the root cause.

06 May 2012 09:34:24
we have always listen to a rant that if a player is a real quality, united board wil not hesitate paying whatever it takes. so my question is why our name is so far not into mix for neymar?? is it his asking price never got us in? if this is so then how can we trust our board for financial support for long term quality? pogba is quality but leaving as mostly SAF has stick with oldies in name of experience. look how young players at other club flourish.. names are in dozens.. and from united team? none..
rodio17

06 May 2012 09:17:30
fergy
"city can buy all the players and put a marker on all the players and that makes it difficult for clubs then to be reasonable. There's no chance of that calming down and I dont see how the financial fair play can work. No one can match citys financial power no one. We have to accept that, so we do it a different way. We'll try to look at young players with the potential to develop in the club, which were good at, so we'll stay with that"
jred

06 May 2012 08:53:28
In total, United's net spend over the past five years amounts to £51.6m. Which is considerably below the £25m per season the Glazers once promised. City's total is £418.9m, Chelsea £155.9m, Liverpool's £83.3m and Tottenham's £66.7m. Perhaps most surprisingly, Sunderland have also spent more than United, with £69.2m, as have Aston Villa on £68.4m. And who would have thought that Stoke, on £59.7m, would be more prolific spenders than England's best-supported club?

From an article in yesterday's Guardian.

Pip

06 May 2012 07:55:51
Ferguson, virtually resigned to losing his ­Premier League crown to Roberto ­Mancini’s side, said: It’s been an ­insane transfer market for a long time and I think clubs like City create that.

They can buy all the players and put a marker on all the ­players and that makes it ­difficult for clubs then to be ­reasonable. There’s no chance of that calming down and I don’t see how the financial fair play can work. No-one can match City’s financial power – ­no-one. We have to accept that, so we do it a different way. We’ll try to look at young ­players with the potential to develop in the club, which we’re good at, so we’ll stay with that.

So the excuse for not spending big is out already. We are only looking at young players who might develop for that clearly read the Glazers will not pay the money particularly on salaries. Can everybody but Sydney now see the problem?

Next season is going to hurt if we are falling well behind City and possibly Chelsea who also have an owner who will spend.

I note SAF does not think the financial fair play will work which means we will be unable to compete going forward either. Even if we get a top player when it comes to paying him the Glazers will short change us and there is the danger of them being taken by City. See the words from SAF be reasonable, by that read we will not pay the going rate.

Unless SAF pulls a rabbit out of a hat a few times we are at Liverpool 1990 stage, potential decline.

SAFs comments above are something that I am very concerned about and this is unlikely to change until we get rid of our owners and get someone committed to making our club the biggest and best rather than trying to do it on the cheap

Red Man

06 May 2012 07:42:47
Ok you idiots when I said "Welbeck should go back to the academy" I didnt meant it LITERALLY! All am saying is that he should work a wee bit harder than most of t CF regarding ball control thats all.
N Welbeck is nowhere near Rooney/Berba was when they were his age(tech. Control. Shooting.....)get my drift.
And Btw, u dont have to be a freakin genius/expert/managerialcandidate to call em as u see em it just makes me a fustrated fan cos city is pissing me off
GoEz_ManUnited

06 May 2012 07:16:21
United need 4 player and get rid of a few

IN
Hazard
Martinez
Kagawa
And a striker, maybe llorente

OUT
Berbatov
Owen
Scholes
Macheda
Fletcher
Park

06 May 2012 03:33:24
Oh what a wonderful way, to spend your day, watchin Liverpool lose again!

G.A.G.U.S

05 May 2012 23:53:25
Aaaaaaaaand.... Loving canneries right now... Now pressure.


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