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06 May 2014 23:11:32
Probably already been mentioned, but how good was janazuj tonight?
He's always so composed, most of the time he will make the right choices.
He could be something really special!
What a way to announce your way on the big stage for Wilson, looks a very promising player.
Thank you Vidic for your services, and good luck in the future!
He will be a real miss.
06 May 2014 22:48:49
James Wilson has scored for all lvls at United this season, what is his season total? Anyone?
Those where his 20th & 21st goals I believe
06 May 2014 22:34:29
Muller apparently told an Austrian newspaper he's not leaving bayern.
I wonder how many times those words have been said before a transfer. I believe he said 'yet' also.
06 May 2014 22:17:37
I only saw bits of the game tonight, how did Valencia do right back, I think he would be better in that position cause he's crossing can be bad
06 May 2014 21:55:09
Giggs crying, I think that indicates he'll be gone.
It would be hard seeing him & Vidic both leave
06 May 2014 21:46:46
Just have to say, this has to be the final nail in the coffin for Giggs campaign to be manager. He reckons United don't need to spend and this squad can win it next year. Rose tinted glasses I suspect.
What do you want him to do? Come out and say I have a rubbish squad and I want to buy a whole lot of players to rebuild, and Ferguson would struggle with this squad A La Moyes?
The players are suffering from a bad season. No need to kick them when they are down, especially from their manager.
I know you're better than this Fresh
Fresh, he's getting United fans ready for a disappointing summer.
Plymouth - talking of disappointing I just wanted to say thanks for Monday evening. It made an otherwise crap year one that had 11 minutes of pure comedy gold. Thank you.
It would be more reassuring for him to say nothing.
What Giggs said was. "I don't buy into the theory that this club needs to bring in lots of new players and sell off a lot of the current squad.
"We have always strengthened here at United, in times of success as much as in times of rebuilding, and I am sure we will be doing business in the next transfer window, but a few carefully chosen recruits will bring the best out of the existing squad.
I agree 100%.
Add quality at LB and to replace Vidic - my preference would be Hummels - plus 1 or 2 in the middle - most likely Strootman plus one - and that one needs to be the star signing.
If Woodward can pull that off it will be amazing and expensive - it's not fantasy football (although my Vino Paraletico are top of the league!
Also if we sign Hummels unlikley we get Reus too - Dortmund aren't running a car boot sale - not without giving up Kagawa.
Quality not quantity - the squad has a lot more upside than downside.
Besides Vidic leaving - everyone else stays until the new manager says otherwise.
We will compete next year. Looking forward to it.
I know Hales, good to know that we gave you something to remember the season by, you don't have anything positive to remember it by do you.
Plymouth. September 2013 League cup, United 1-0 Liverpool?
Why do people listen to what manager's say so much? What do you expect Giggs to say, we need a overhaul because the players aren't good enough? He isn't going to say that. We know there is going to be a massive spend this summer despite what any manager says.
Those memories of Stevie G passing to Ba and Suarez crying will just have to be enough for this season Plymouth. Still we've had our fill at the top table for 20+ years while Liverpool had the longest run of 'transitional' seasons known to man.
I think every once in a while we will let you finish above us. This was your year. Hope enjoyed the novelty of it ;)
Giggs is wrong and living in the past.
Don't be a fool by a decent performance against a team at home who are not that motivated. This team has failed every time it has had a must win game this year to close the gap or make a season out of it. just not good enough. Buttner as left back, Young left winger, valencia right winger, the brand in midfield and Jones as CB, must be joking. 5 new players needed urgently.
06 May 2014 21:44:17
Well, at least we ended the season on a win and we have a new name to chant, Wilson. A lot of us new that he would he a star, he has now announced it on the biggest stage there is on his debut. Amazing isn't it, one stars light goes out in Giggs who is now finished at OT, and a new one steps in to replace his shadow. I truly hope he is as successful as I think he will be.
{Ed004's Note - One more game left mate}
The home season.
Crazy as there both surname is (was) Wilson too.
06 May 2014 21:42:00
Well that was one of the more bizarre/interesting games I can remember watching.
Great to see Wilson and Lawrence starting, although I was a little disappointed to see Wilson taken off when he was on a hat trick.
Januzaj was absolutely outstanding. His ability to commit defenders and take people out of position is fantastic and he was positive every time he got the ball. What a player he could be.
A bit disappointed with Fellaini who didn't play very well in a more advanced role. He seemed slow to move towards and receive the ball and his distribution was lacking. I also thought Kagawa was pretty anonymous unfortunately, but I hope he still has a future at the club.
How many appeals were there for handballs in the box? Was hoping that last one would have been called with Giggs to take the penalty at the end.
Hopefully the injury to Jones wasn't too serious.
Fellaini just isn't of the desired quality. He is slow, cumbersome and has awful distribution. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he was to leave along with the likes of Young.
06 May 2014 21:34:43
18 goals in 27 appearances this season, and some of you on here want RVP gone. Deluded! On another note, great to see Wilson and Lawrence put in a great performance tonight. I for one can't wait for next season!
Couldn't agree more he's been unfortunate with injury and still so prolific. He's the first name on my team sheet.
That showed just why RVP has to stay and is our best striker. A fantastic player and instinctive finisher. RVP will be fantastic under LVG.
Same Welsh! Him and DDG are our only 2 close to World Class players IMO. Would be great to see us bring in some more quality in the summer, in combination with giving the quality young lads some game time. Januzaj showed tonight that he needs a lot more game time, he was a cut above the rest. This squad must now be build around DDG, RvP, Januzaj, Mata and Kagawa. People who question Kagawa clearly haven't seen his performances when himself and Mata played together in that spell where we beat West Ham 4-1, Newcastle 4-0 and a few others which I can't remember the opponents now. I can't wait until LvG steps into his role and things start to happen :-)
{Ed004's Note - I agree. The new team should be built around De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Januzaj, Mata and RVP. If we don't have enough for a winger Kagawa can play in the 3 behind RVP}
Sorry Ed004 - but why on earth would we want to build a team around a 31 year old? (which is what RVP will be come the start of the season)
It's going to take two seasons to fully rebuild this team by which point RVP will be gone, smalling will have become a squad player and Rafael may well have been replaced.
{Ed004's Note - Our team for NEXT season should be built around our best player IMO. Fergie did it and we won the league. Van Persie doesn't rely on pace and if anything he continues to improve with age so I wouldn't worry about him for probably 2/3 seasons. If we make significant improvements this window ie cb, lb, 2 cm's and a winger we won't have much changes to make next year. Varela looks a top talent and I reckon under LvG he could push Rafael out of the team. That means we would only need a striker as rest of position have young players in them. Maybe an experienced midfielder if Carrick leaves}
I get the impression that RVP will either spend most of next season injured or sulking because we didn't appoint the manager he wanted - but only time will tell.
I'd like to see our future 25 man squad squad built up of 11 top players, 6 squad players and 6 young prospects and 2 back-up keepers.
Prospects wise we look in good shape.
As of the moment I think we have 5 top players (Mata-Kagawa-RVP-DDG-Rooney) with that number likely to drop to 4 this summer (Kagawa seeming most likely to leave).
That leaves us needing 7 new signings (6 if you argue that Rafael is good enough) just to have a good first 11 and potentially a few more to account for injuries (All of the other top teams have game changers on their benches).
I'd keep Welbeck (assuming he's happy to stay), Cleverley, Evans, Fletcher and potentially Valencia as squad players. Fellaini too if only to avoid the embarrassment of losing £15m on him after 1 season.
Do you really think we're going to sign 6+ top players this window Ed?
{Ed004's Note - No. However, I feel De Gea, Rafael, Smalling, Januzaj, Mata, Kagawa and RVP is the foundations of a very good team add a cb, lb and 2 midfielders and it's very strong. Only think lacking is a quick winger though we have seen how well Kagawa and Mata link up}
To be honest I think we should be placing a real emphasis on pace during the rebuild rather than simply signing one 'quick winger'.
Our biggest problem this season is a distinct lack of penetration and that in turn is down to us lacking pace.
We have too many players capable of providing the killer pass but not enough who are able to get on the end of it. 2 speedy wingers who can cross should be top of the list and if any of our strikers leaves - a pacey striker wouldn't go a miss either!
Redseven, we are appointing the manager Van Persie wanted.
Also young prospects under the age of 21 do not need to be named in a 25-man squad.
Will we sign 6+ players, I think we probably will do. If you include 1-2 youngsters.
Redseven, a pacey striker like Wilson? :)
Syd - I was referring to players like Jones, Smalling and Buttner who are yet to reach their potential but are over 21. Perhaps prospects was the wrong word!
Wilson looked good yesterday - but it was against a weak Hull side and in a very odd game. TBH I expect to see him loaned out next season. Hopefully he'll make it to a premier league club although in terms of game time a championship side might make more sense.
Redseven, I completely disagree. Wilson needs to stay at MU like Adnan and develop here. I would already play him ahead of Hernandez and Welbeck. He didn't have a great game yesterday, he is usually much better and you will see that next season. No way should this player go out to a Championship side on loan, would you send Adnan on loan to the Championship? Wilson is in the same bracket as Adnan.
Syd - Unfortunately I don't follow the youth set-up as well as I'd like and so can only really go by what I see. From what I saw yesterday he's still got some way to go to be at Adnan's level and my guess would be that the club staff feel the same given Adnan came into the squad at the start of the season and Wilson at the end for a nothing game (especially given some of our injury problems up top this year).
I don't think Adnan is good enough for he first eleven at the moment. Chocked full of potential? Certainly - but he has a lot to learn. Although in a way he'd benefit from the increased playing time a loan would allow him I'd sooner he stays at the club so that we can monitor his development - but that's Adnan.
Wilson needs to bulk up and play football. For me a loan would do him the world of good!
"Adnan came into the squad at the start of the season and Wilson at the end for a nothing game (especially given some of our injury problems up top this year)."
He's a year behind Adnan in progression mate. Next season he will be at the stage Adnan was at when he started.
06 May 2014 21:33:43
Was LvG there tonite guys?
Don't think so, still hoping to hear something positive tomorrow though.
06 May 2014 21:21:53
4 observation on tonights game, fellaini looks like he has lead in his boots and where did they find this ref and he should be reefing division 3 games, what a clown.
Jones is dumb as rubbish unfortunately and no CB with any brains plays this way and having one great game and then constantly injured kind of makes him useless and we will need to buy a CB.
Lastly who scouted Buttner and what were they drinking, just no clue when defending LOL.
After his excellent performance against united today, Liverpool will send scouts to watch this referee.Well deserved
Couldn't get the game tonight and gutted as wanted to see the youth.
Jones & Smalling are both dumb, they got turned down for the sequel to Zoolander for being too dopey!
We will win nothing if they are the main stay of our back four. You need brains and brawn, or brains and finesse - they just fly in and don't think about positioning, potential injury or what to do with a football when they get it. American Footballers not United Footballers like so many of our recent signings.
{Ed004's Note - I have to disagree there. Smalling was excellent tonight. My motm was Januzaj followed by Wilson and Smalling}
I like Smalling. Every time he gets the ball he tries to push us forward, if only by 5 yards or so, but that's what we should be looking for our CB's to do IMO
I like Smalling thou jones I always thought he was over rated, and is a flop for me, does stupid things to much, not the man to replace rio or vida
I think we should sell fellaini he is crap in wherever we play him what a waste of 28mil
Jones is a great player imo, he throws everything into his performance and puts his body on the line, that's how he picks up most of his injury's.
RD
06 May 2014 21:07:41
People suggested when Van Gaal comes in we should try playing mata and kagawa in the three just infront of a defensive midfielder like carvalho. After tonights performance do you guys think kagawa could play in the midfield 3?
Not sure to be honest, he looked composed enough but its not exactly a big game.
Agreed, he looks like a poacher
06 May 2014 20:53:46
We'll done to Wilson who has scored for the u18 19 21 and the senior team in one season, great credit due to the lad, well done
He's one for the future and I think van Gaal will give him some time.
06 May 2014 17:20:29
Ed02, on the Chelsea page you did a brief write up on the 29th April listing out going players, players interesting the club, youngsters etc. Any chance of doing the same for this page please instead of a full write up?
Thanks
{Ed002's Note - This is what I said a month or so back - I will update it when I can. It is no secret that Inter want Kagawa, that Evra will be leaving, that Ferdinand's time may be up, that Vidic will leave and that Spurs, Roma and Valencia will be interested in Hernandez if he becomes available. Rafael may well also leave with the club looking at Santiago Arias and Seamus Coleman. Mangala and either Ginter or Hinteregger would be the ideal centre backs. Carvalho remains a midfield target although the club would ideally like Vidal. Gundogan, if available, might be seen as too much of a risk. There is interest in Kroos but Bayern Munich would like a new deal. Shaw is of interest but the price being asked might well make the club to look at other options such as Valencia's Bernat and Alex Sandro, but there is interest from elsewhere in Sandro.}
06 May 2014 20:20:10
what is wrong with us? When we don't play with Fellaini we cross the ball like mad men as seen at the weekend with no big targets to hit and then at the start of tonight we have seen Buttner, Valencia, Lawrence, Januzaj all get into good crossing positions and nothing.
If the big man is in the box utilise him its devastating just look at what he did for Everton in that position against us and the rest of the league.
06 May 2014 17:19:43
Question for Ed02 if about? City will apparently be fined £50m and they will have their UCL squad restricted to 21 next season. My question is what will happen to Liverpool and PSG who also fall foul of the FFPR? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - The club are trying, right now, to find an acceptable solution. PSG are about to do the same.}
I hope they both get find the maximum because they are ruining the game.
Money into the game that trickles down the levels via transfer fees is a good thing imo.
Money going out of the game to super agents, inflated wage packets of average players and ownership models like ours is far worse than City's owners splashing their own cash.
Just my opinion.
Meant fined, damn spell check.
06 May 2014 19:49:02
What is Giggs doing?!? kagawa starting at Cm with Fellaini behind the striker? Thank god he's only a caretaker manager!
Is this Wilson's debut?
Totally agree, but fair play for giving Wilson and Lawrence their debut. He has much to learn though and I think it would be a disaster if he took over permanent.
06 May 2014 20:48:04
Seems to be working so far albeit against Hull no disrespect, Kagawa has been a busy body in midfield for us keeping the game tick and is in my book having a relatively good game
Ozzy giggs is doing what SAF would of done building for the future and proving his doubters wrong
I'm not complaining about him playing youth, I was pleased on that note. I was saying that kagawa and fellaini should be swapped, in fact fellaini shouldn't, be anywhere near the pitch at all!
06 May 2014 19:28:54
Giggs giving Lawrence and Wilson their places in the starting lineup vs Hull! Janujaz starts as well and Micheal Keane is on the bench. Interesting to see how these young players take this chance and credit to Giggs for giving them the opportunity.
Quite excited to see these guys play as I don't know much about them. I do have us winning.
Keep an eye on Wilson especially.
Janusaj has been superb and hull has no answer for him. Sneaky quick when he needs to be.
06 May 2014 19:14:31
Nice to see the young lads getting game time we should of done this earlier on than now though because this season has been a write off since about February march. Gives them much needed first team experience. Also since his first team break through early in the season januzaj has had hardly any game time but when he played he was one of most threatening attacking players should of had a lot more game time this season
06 May 2014 19:08:44
Looks like Giggs has listened to a few of you on here and gone with some youth, I've heard good things about Wilson but not much on Lawrence, what do people make of him and is there any players you would have preferred to see, maybe Perreira or a Keane?
06 May 2014 19:06:28
Lawrence and Wilson playing tonight upfront
06 May 2014 18:55:33
What's everyone's views on the team tonight? Very happy tonight really hoping Wilson gets on the scoresheet!
06 May 2014 18:44:16
Southampton Executive Director Les Reed has cast doubt upon the alleged transfer negotiations occuring for Shaw and Lallana today. He repeated earlier comments made in an official statement by saying (when asked how hard it was to deal with the constant transfer speculation) "It's been very easy because none of it is true, there are no deals done and no deals being discussed."
When asked whether or not there were any informal discussions taking place Reed stated that their was "Absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing and I can clearly say that."
However there is a silver lining in our quest for Shaw with Reed also saying immediately after the last comment "I'm not saying it's not going to happen, but at the moment nothing is being discussed."
We all know that is lies.
06 May 2014 18:15:39
believe that Kluivert or Blind won't be on the coaching team. Maybe room for Giggs and Meulensteen to fit in?
06 May 2014 18:04:26
What center back would people like to come in? You have two options, an experienced and established world class center back, of which I would want one of Hummels, Varane or Garay. Or, you could go for someone younger like Bruno Martins Indi, van Dijk or Denswil.
Preferences?
{Ed004's Note - Garay seems most probable. I'd take either hummels or Varane}
Supposedly Hummels agreed to join Barca according to Raf Hernandez a Barca journalist
We have had so many chances to sign him though, that's what confuses me. There doesn't even seem to be links anymore. However, perhaps we felt we couldn't sign him until Rio and Vidic left because it would mean having 6 decent center backs at the club?
06 May 2014 17:15:04
Hi Guys
The end of the season is upon us thank god, We all know the players who are going for sure. Giggs, Vidic, Evra rio and anderson. i'm sure many will agree to have Nani, Cleverly and young following them, I can't see Kags or Fellani going. Kags has not had a fair crack of the whip and Fellani would not generate half the money paid for him unless we buy great players this season that will improve him. Its been long proven that players play great when they have WC players beside them.
I don't think Rooney will leave just yet and RVP will cheer up with LVG and get back firing. I would rather chico went on loan for the season. and Danny to be shipped out or loaned. If this happens it means that we will loose 3 defenders, 5 midfielders and 2 forwards which is practically a full team overhaul.
We are all expecting big things this summer but I don't believe it will happen. in my view we will be lucky to get a LB, CB and CM and then waiting till January before looking at further transfers.
If we are to be limited to 3/4 signings. what area's would you buy for.
I like how you neglect to mention how badly we are in need of wingers - especially given the likelihood of us switching to a 4-3-3 formation!
We need 2 wingers, a LB, a CB and 2 CM's. The rest can be supplemented with youngsters. I still expect us to sign a striker though even though our CAM and ST opportunities are congested as it is!
IF 3 big signings then:
LB
CB
CM
If 4th is possible then add:
LW
When you look at it honestly, we probably need two left backs, a centre back, two central midfielders and two wingers. Whether that is too much to do in one window remains to be seen, but that is the fact of the matter. It may be achievable considering how early we seemed to have began negotiations with Shaw, Carvalho, Kroos and Reus if sources are to be believed.
I don't think anyone on here has ever said we need two left backs, but here is my reasoning. Evra goes, Buttner probably follows and we have no one in the reserves that can step up as I don't rate Blackett. So we would just have Shaw and no competition/rotation. Perhaps that's why this deal for Kolasenic is being touted.
Apologies Redseven, I was aware of it but was trying to fit as much as possible without writing an essay.
What do you make of the Fabregas rumours! Would he be able to play alongside Mata?
Im also reading rumours that Evra may stay for another year. I really hope not and I hope we do have at least 200 mil to spend. I just hope teams don't expect us to go OTT.
{Ed004's Note - I think fabregas would work really well with someone like Carvalho beside him and Mata playing slightly in front of him. If evra was willing to stay a year and be back up to Shaw or a new lb I think it would be great. He offers experience and is a very good back up to have}
Fresh! Buttner being dutch could that work in his favour?
And I think given his performances in the CL games I think he is a decent enough back up option.
Fabregas would be a fantastic signing. It's hard to say how well he and Mata would play together as they're often both played out of position for Spain.
My gut says they'd work together for the simple reason that are both incredibly intelligent players who can move the ball quickly. We need players who think the same way and can predict what the others are going to do which is why I favour us targeting as many players from the same country as possible. IMO we were strongest in the late nineties early noughties when we had a large number of British players in the first team.
Of course there's no guarantee that players of the same nationality will play well together - but it seems as though philosophies vary country to country rather than club to club and as such players of a certain nationality are taught a certain style of football.
If LVG wants speed and strength I think we should buy German - if he wants control and intricacy we should buy Spanish. (Obviously there would be analysis of specific players to assess suitability to play with the team we have and other new signings).
Cheers Ed004
I like your taughts on the midfield bbut how would you plan your formation and who. Would you add to the midfield?
If you have Carvalho sitting in front of the back 4, fabregas in the centre with Mata further up then we need 1/2 pacey wingers.
If we played without the wingers however for a period of time in a match! Do you think a diamond of Carvalho, Fabregas and Kroos with Mata further up would be effective as much as I do? Or would that result in being over creative and no end product
{Ed004's Note - Ideally Rooney would be sold along with Nani, Young and unfortunately Hernandez. Now that would cover costs of Reus and another winger like Di Maria/Griezmann/moura and would be an exciting attack. Then money spent on Garay, Shaw, Carvalho and fabregas don't think money is there for that. I think we need wingers in our team but for your other suggestion as long as you have RVP and a goal scoring quick winger to offer an outlet it should be fine. Wing backs would have to be played though}
Buttner probably will be back up, but a lot of journalists seem to think he will be one of the ones to leave.
As RedSeven says, if we want strength and speed, go German. That is the LVG way and that is I am sure what we will do. Kroos, Reus, Muller and Hummels I think will be some of his top targets.
06 May 2014 16:13:45
Any good sites to watch the footy tonight?
Get sports devil on xbmc.
Brilliant to watch, or try first row or wizzywig
Sorry to sound stupid reddevil but what's xbcm?
Cheers:-)
Firstrowsports.eu or vipbox.tv, both of them are top notch mate.
Elroy google it. I have an S4 and installed xbmc ( its a media centre )
I then looked on viewtube and followed the instructions to add the fusion source, I now can watch all the footy I want anywhere on the world and also any PPV event.
I would say its a must have as I have no bills now and om looking forward to the Boxing later this month.
Xbmc can be installed an almost anything. PC. Android etc. for Apple devices you will need a jailbreak done
Reddevil
Reddevilfan,
I also enjoy games on XBMC and its hell lot better than any stream sites (including firstrow). Everyone should give it a try. It works on PC's and Laptops too. Just watch the video tutorials on YouTube and anyone can get through it easily. Cheers
PR
Ive never seen any games on XBMC. I must have a look. but I agree its awesome for sports
06 May 2014 15:23:54
With all this talk about gotze how would we fit him into the team, all I can think of is a 4231 with mata gotze and kagawa playing a float line but I was under the impression we would play 433 next year, what are people's opinions on how he would fit it we did manage to get him
I think we will play a 2323 formation. It's what Louis van Gaal played when in charge of Barcelona.
How would that formation work, Syd?
I thought he played a 433 system: 4 defenders, 1 holding CM, 2 supporting CM, one out and out forward, with two inside forwards operating from the flanks?
I think on paper it will be a 4-3-3. In practise the fullbacks will push up, one midfielder will sit deep almost like a third centre back. One box to box and the other more attacking. The front 3 will have two pacey inside forwards who carry a goal threat. That is how he has always done it. I don't think Gotze will come in, but if he does then I would welcome him. He would be more than capable to say, play off the right with Reus left. I can only picture two of Reus, Gotze, Pedro or Muller coming in though at most.
Sam, it's pretty much the 433, but if you want to see exactly what it is then have a look on the teams page.
Had a look, Syd; and yes, it is a variant of the 433. A few teams seem to use that system in Europe, with the fall backs acting more as wing-backs, while the holding CM acts as a third CB.
If we are going to use that system, then we are going to need to bring in at least 5 players'. Also, some of the lads in the U-21's could fit into that system perfectly.
Sam, exactly, also agreed about the youth, Wilson could play as the main striker or either side of the front three, Adnan can play either side of the front three. Pearson could play where Mata and Rooney would play. Obviously Keane would be useful as he can come out of the defence with the ball well. Varela and Janko are good attacking fullbacks.
I think we were going to play this way under Moyes too, but LvG is proven and more importantly, unlike Moyes he will gain the respect of the players.
Sam, I think the five players that we are being linked to are the players we need. Shaw, Hummels, Carvalho, Reus & Muller would transform us. Add them to De Gea, Rafael, Jones, Mata, Rooney & Van Persie and we will have a) An identity and a way of playing. b) The personnel to implement this way of playing and c) the manager with a proven record who will gain the respect needed to inspire these players. We apparently have the funds to make this all happen, over to you Ed Woodward.
The 2323 that syd is suggesting is a varriation of the 433 which we are most likely to be playing. LVG often likes to play with around 7 or 8 lines not including the Gk hence GK then a line of 2 CB then 2wingbacks, then 1 holding mid, the 1 CM then 1 attacking then 2 wingers then one striker. this 8 lines would on paper be 2-2-1-1-1-2-1 but is a formation of 433 just spaced out
I hope we do adopt that system, Syd. It seems perfect for us.
I am proper looking forward to next season now, mate. :)
I don't think Rafael is good enough to play your formation Syd, nor is Shaw just yet. Certainly has a level of fluidity to it that we've lacked in recent times though. Add some pace and width to the squad and we'd be well away.
I think that Moyes was looking more for a 4-2-3-1 with 3 attacking midfielders. I saw no indication that that was how Moyes was going to line up - a 4-3-3 never looked on the cards.
Fresh, I don't know why and it's just my opinion, but I get the feeling Rooney was moving deeper next season under Moyes. I think it's a cert now.
Redeven, could Rafael and Shaw not do what Zabaleta & Kolarov/Clichy do? Or what Clyne and Shaw done against Everton. Or what Coleman and Baines do? It's not all 433, but the principles are the same, they all get forward and act like extra wingers. Rafael would certainly benefit from that as he likes to burst forward.
IMO, Rafael lacks the discipline and Shaw lacks the experience. That kind of play works for spells during games but over 90 minutes and against the top teams it would leave us incredibly vulnerable
Redseven, we have been playing with Evra and Rafael with two CB's and no defensive midfielder. I am sure we would cope with Rafael and Shaw and a defensive midfielder like Carvalho to add to the CB's when the fullbacks burst forward.
Carrick showing exactly why we need a Carvalho in the team.
We've been playing four at the back - not 3/5. It all depends how much we'd be reliant on our fullbacks for width. If they'd be pushing forward every now and again - fair enough (although if that's the case why not just call it a 4-1-2-3?).
I got the impression you were suggesting we play with wing-backs; and if that's the case - that's not how we've played this season and I stand by my belief that neither Rafael nor Shaw are good enough to do so.
The way I see it we currently have five world class players and only three of them can fit into LVG's system. We need 2 wingers, one striker and one attacking mid to play the way he's used to playing. As it is we have no (decent) wingers, one striker and three attacking mids (the other world class player in the squad being DDG).
06 May 2014 14:07:21
Plymouth red, if your about care to comment on this,
You said Sir Alex had most of his success in the 2000's, well have a look at these stats mate.
1990's
5 x Premier league
4 x FA Cup
1 x league cup
1 x Champions League
5 x community shield
1 x cup winners cup
1 x super cup
1 x intercontinental cup.
Now I know you had a rough night last night, but the way you's were talking last night you seemed to think Rodgers is almost in the same class as sir Alex. Well your manager is very naive, where's his plan B? We won so many league titles under Sir Alex purely because we ground out the results on a night like last night. Finally mate, please admit Sakho is a shocking player, might go to the World Cup, but don't forget Nani might even go to the World Cup.
Rogers is in the same class only difference is SAF is teaching the class and rogers is one of those students sitting at the back of the class LOL.
LOL
That about sums up the comparison, GCU. :o)
That's that one put to bed then, nicely done.
Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the proposal of letting Premier League clubs "B" teams playing in the lower divisions, like La Liga? I heard it on the news before, not sure if there is anything to it. I suppose Fellaini might get a game or two. Not sure who for.
Also Ed 007, loved your reply before about translation and context. Very funny
{Ed007's Note - Thanks :)
I think that would be very beneficial, as it would provide more competitive football and therefore mean players are ready for first team football earlier, would also benefit the national side too imo.
Caolan, what on earth are you on about? when did I say Fergie only had success in the 2000's, I said "he clearly had success in the 2000's" because a poster claimed the majority of his success was in the 80's-90's.
Also when did I compare Rodgers to Fergie? my exact comment was "you'd accept Rodgers as your manager now".
So why don't you pipe down and read the post(s) thoroughly before making yourself look like a complete scouser.
Plymouth, I would almost certainly not take BR. He would not gain the respect of the players so he would be no better than Moyes.
Hate to break it to you Caolan - but he said LVG had most of his success in the 90's - not SAF in the 00's.
His latter comment about SAF was in reference to somebody else questioning whether it could be said that SAF was only successful in the 80's and 90's (Ie, PR was saying that SAF was consistently successful rather than having only been successful for one period of his time as a manager like LVG).
I do enjoy some of the banter on this site - but not when it has no basis.
Ed007 or Ed004, how about you stop playing with my post's and post them as they are, it's funny how you don't edit any of the Mancs post's, bit bias huh?
Complete scouser actually read "total scouser".
Read it wrong. Shall hold my hands up and apologise to Plymouth.
Sydney, BR hasn't struggled to gain the respect at Pool, BR doesn't take any nonsense, the players at MU would respect him or they'd be gone, Moyes was too kind he was trying to be everyone's friend.
BR wouldn't gain the respect because like Moyes he hasn't won anything to deserve the chance to manage MU.
06 May 2014 14:28:51
Hi Eds,
I was wondering what will be our stand on Europa league if we were to finish 7th. Since we can't participate in the Champions league. will united be able to participate in the EL?
Thanks.
{Ed004's Note - Don't think so}
Hull take the extra Europa League spot as runners up - not 7th place!
I think it would be best all round if we didn't qualify for the EL.
06 May 2014 13:58:40
Line ups for tonight?
I think Giggs will play himself (hopefully he scores). Vidic and Ferdinand will play their last home games, I can see Evra doing the same. I think its essentially going to be a drawing down of a veil over an era because none of the above will be in the squad next season.
06 May 2014 13:56:37
Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to the Eds, especially Ed004 who doesn't get scratched easily, nor do they appear to let a bit of feedback bother them.
Ed004 if you are available, I seem to remember some interest in Vidal over January, are you aware of whether he is still a transfer target for the Summer?
Thanks,
KingGiggsy
{Ed004's Note - I don't think Vidal is an option anymore. Least of all because Madrid, Chelsea and Psg will be interested all of which can offer more than us. That and Vidal seems happy at juventus. Cheers for comments though}
Seems strange how the Vidal trail has gone cold so quickly. Our inquiry must have been met with a very firm no from both parties.
06 May 2014 12:45:25
Not entirely United related; but I just wanted to express my disdain at the recent FFP rulings.
First and foremost I struggle to see the logic in UEFA fining clubs - least of all to such a dramatic extent. The point of FFP was to ensure that clubs were not spending beyond their means and so fining them £50m (which is more than the £45m a club can be in the red over two years) seems incredibly hypocritical.
It's basically a message that clubs can do whatever the hell they like as long as they have a bit of extra money to pay off UEFA afterwards.
What's worse is I can't see how these kind of fines will stand if the clubs appeal (nor should they). Clubs who flagrantly break FFP rules should be banned from European football. It's the only way we will see clubs taking FFP seriously and ultimately the only way we will prevent transfer fees and wages from spiraling out of control.
Redseven
I couldn't disagree more, I think the sanctions send out a message to clubs that they cannot just do what they want.
A ban of clubs would not be beneficial to the competition and UEFA would be worried that clubs could create a breakaway competition.
When you say 'not entirely united related' it's not united related at all as we are well within the FFP guidelines.
I Agree; what is 50 million to a club like City?
They should have banned from Europe or had a transfer embargo enforced.
As GDS said, I don't think banning them from European competition would be beneficial to UEFA. City, Chelsea, Monacco, PSG, Madrid and others are, or were, outspending their income by quite a bit, and you just can't kick them all out.
Fining them for money is hardly a big deal for them. The most productive way would be to give them a transfer ban until they sort their stuff out
Fair Play gives a reason for UEFA to boost its corruption-riddled coffers. Who didn't see that one coming?
I'm not saying it's right but money = power = people with power make their own rules.
£50m should be deterrent but if you're PSG or City that's just having 3 top class strikers rather than 4.
The 60 mill euros will be 20 mill each season added onto their outgoings which makes it harder to comply with FFP, which in turn means less transfer funds, the squad reduction is also a massive problem for them as they already have more than 21 players they could register before transfers, also the champions league squad wage bill cannot go up so they couldn't add a new megastar to the squad without dropping one on similar wages, brilliant really.
I think the likes of city PSG etc can afford the fine very easily. But I think eufa are also putting further sanctions for future as midfield general says.
For me, I think they should dock them 10 points in PL and 5 points in CL for next year and that will soon stop these clubs flaunting the rules.
Sam, City owners no matter how rich they are will not want to be haemorrhaging £50m a season via fines. Someone like Liverpool who are also breaking the rules certainly couldn't cope with such fines. What it is doing is basically taking away their UCL money from them. I will be interested to see how this all pans out. Will they agree on a fine of around £20m? City could live with that, but teams like Liverpool could not.
{Ed002's Note - They are currently, right now, trying to negotiate a figure that is acceptable to all.
Mick, Real Madrid and Chelsea are not failing the FFPR. Monaco, PSG, Anzhi, Liverpool & City sure, but not Real Madrid or Chelsea.
As a few of you mentioned; the sanction that would act as the best deterrent is one that would be counterproductive to the people who are imposing the sanctions - and so I have to ask the question - why is it not an independent body in charge of FFP?
Where exactly will the money generated through these fines be going? If it's not to charity or the prize funds of the Europa and Champions League's then I don't see how the Court of Arbitration would ever uphold them should clubs appeal. Even if the money is going to the right places the logical argument of 'How can you fine a club for operating outside their means?' should prevail?
Transfer embargoes won't work unless every domestic FA (or equivalent) get on board - and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
The only way FFP will ever work as a deterrent is if it's taken out of UEFA's hands. As it is, it seems like nothing more than yet another way for them to line their pockets; and IMO they're already full enough.
Sam,
What is £50 million? It is a large chunk of what they are allowed to spend, no business would be happy paying a £50 million fine, maybe I am missing something but if they get a total ban for the first offence where do they go from there?
GDS -
It is a large chunk of what they are allowed to spend - yes - but 'allowed' is the key word here.
They were 'allowed' to spend a certain amount over the past two seasons and chose to ignore that. Who's to say that won't happen again.
As for the 21 man squad restriction - City only used 21 players in the Champions League this season. I believe the previous season they only used 20. What sort of punishment is that? It just means they will push for worldies instead of good players in the future.
GDS2,
As far as I am aware, this is a one off fine.
50 million is a large sum of money, but their owners would probably see that as acceptable, given the fact that they now have the best squad in England, and one of the best in Europe.
I am sure they will find a way around the rules in the future.
I think people may also be underestimating the 21 player squad situation as well. City already have more players than this and will now need to remove players before they buy.
I believe this is a first fine, I would imagine if they continue to not comply the next sanction will be ever more severe.
GDS- as per my last post - they have used 21 players or less in their last 2 Champions League campaigns. On that basis - how is it even a punishment? I suppose the only thing that will really restrict them in that sense is the requirement to have homegrown players in their squad - but we have no idea as of yet whether the number of homegrown players will remain the same or whether it will be reduced proportionately.
The squad restrictions would also apply only in Europe and not in the domestic league - so they could still give everybody game time and just use their big hitters in Europe.
Let's say for example their base squad for the ECL next season is Hart, Pantilimon, Nastasic, Kolarov, Kompany, Clichy, Zabaleta, Demichelis, Fernandinho, Navas, Milner, Nasri, Garcia, Toure, Silva, Dzeko, Aguero, Jovetic and Aguero. That includes all of the current players I could ever see them playing in the Champions League and leaves them with two spots left for new signings (of the 21 - assuming that's the restriction).
Add to that the fact that players like Dzeko, Garcia, Zabaleta and Kolarov may well be leaving this summer and they can sign up to 6 new players and have them all playing in the CL next season.
I would be amazed if Zabaleta and Dzeko left redseven. But I agree with your overall point.
Syd - Dzeko has been linked with a move away for two seasons now. I think he's too good to be on the bench but not good enough to be City's first choice striker - and so like Chico with us - his exit wouldn't be a surprise.
As for Zab; he's been linked with Italy a few times. Less likely to leave than Dzeko and the rest for sure - but it seems possible.
Either way my point was that there's plenty of wiggle room in these half-arsed sanctions. Even wage restrictions are useless as we'll just see players signing big sponsorship deals with Etihad to subsidize wage-cuts or contracts where they are paid less for European games.
These clubs need to be banned from European football. It's the only way to level the playing field.
Syd - Dzeko has been linked with a move away for two seasons now. I think he's too good to be on the bench but not good enough to be City's first choice striker - and so like Chico with us - his exit wouldn't be a surprise.
As for Zab; he's been linked with Italy a few times. Less likely to leave than Dzeko and the rest for sure - but it seems possible.
Either way my point was that there's plenty of wiggle room in these half-arsed sanctions. Even wage restrictions are useless as we'll just see players signing big sponsorship deals with Etihad to subsidize wage-cuts or contracts where they are paid less for European games.
These clubs need to be banned from European football. It's the only way to level the playing field.
06 May 2014 17:19:59
Ed02, will others face similar sanctions? An when will that become public knowledge? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Why should it be in the public domain? Other sides have pretty much all agreed a sanction already.}
06 May 2014 17:19:59
Ed02, will others face similar sanctions? An when will that become public knowledge? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - Why should it be made public knowledge? Sanctions for other clubs have in the main all been agreed between UEFA and the clubs already.}
I am not saying they should become public knowledge, but they usually do don't they? Will all clubs be asked to pay £50m or will they all be given different fines depending on how much they have failed by? Thanks.
06 May 2014 12:41:51
With our season over I have very little lest to hope for this season. But that being said this is how I hope the rest of the season plans out.
First City beat Villa, this will crush the scousers.
Then on the final day of the season I want Liverpool to be cruising 2/3 nil at half time when the news comes through that City are 2-0 down against West ham at half time. This makes the belief start to flood back, the fans start to get excited, could the unexpected really happen? Then in the 88th minute City pull a goal back to make it 2-1, now all the scousers start to get nervous, 6 minutes injury time is given the the City game, this causes disgust amoungst the scouse fans "bloody fergie time" lol. Then with the last kick of the game Ageuro scores the equalizer meaning City win the league on goal difference with the last kick of the season for the second time in three years.
And now the Scousers who laughed at us a couple of seasons ago, the ones who celebrated City winning the league like it was their own team now have to suffer the devastating loss in the worst possible way just as we did.
And all us United fans can just sit back and smile.
That is how I want the season to end. Lol.
Personally i'd like to see Man City draw with Villa, lose to West Ham on the final day. Liverpool to get beaten by the Geordies (2-0 would be nice) and Chelsea to beat Cardiff. leap frogging both of them and leaving the scousers in third!
06 May 2014 11:59:53
Quick question I know no one likes to get into money but I have to ask if we have got 150 million to spend giving the targets we have being linked with will that be enough? Kroos=20-35 mill. Shaw=30mill. Reus =34mill leaving 50 million or so to bring in IMO another midfielder and a decent defender .?
CAIN
{Ed004's Note - there will be a large number of departures. Potentially Hernandez, Rooney, Nani, Young, Anderson, Fellaini, Kagawa, Welbeck all rumoured to be potential departures and we will save loads on wages}
Ed do u really think rooney will leave? if he does I just can't think of seeing him move abroad.
{Ed004's Note - No I can't}
I'd sell him and if the reports r true that muller is unhappy, i'd sell rooney replace him with muller which can play upfront aswell as on the wings . you think itd be a good idea?. The only club I can see him go to is psg if they lose cavani and if van gaal sita rooney down and twlls him he doesn't have much of a role next yr.
just a thought guys.
{Ed004's Note - Muller won't leave}
Apart from Rooney, I would probably agree with the probable departures, Edd04 mentioned.
I think 5 signings in the summer a some of the U-21's promoted, will give us the freshness the squad needs next season.
There are clearly too many players' who need to be moved on for one reason or the other.
I'd say Hernandez, Nani, Young, Valencia, Anderson and Kagawa will headline the departures. I can see Welbeck staying, Zaha coming back into the fold, a midfield three will benefit Cleverley so he will stay. Not sure on Fellaini and not bothered either way, he isn't good enough but if he is a squad player then so be it.
Thanks for the reply ed.
With muller not leavin rooney should get another year and see how he pans out under v.gaal, if it doesn't work out v gaal will do what's right. Anothet option would be move rooney into midgield like syd said.
{Ed004's Note - Personally I'd sell Rooney especially if PSG are interested at 35 mill. That there could go towards Reus etc}
I'd love that to happen as Reus is one of my favourite players but I just can't see Rooney moving to france and be bothered to learn french, it will be a bit of a stretch for him. The only way that will happen if v.gaal sits rooney down and tells his role to him and rooney doesn't like it and then decides to leave because of lack of importance In the squad. This is all speculatuon because for all we know v.gaal might prefer rooney.
Rooney doesn't really need to move to France to play for PSG. It's only a little longer than london by plane from where he is. To me PSG is the only realistic club Rooney can play for on the continent.
Him and a few bob for Cavani?
Just wondering ed clubs can lose 45 million for financel fair play but if we went on a 150 million spending spree is there a possibility we could break ffp with the likes of ferdinand vidic evra others leaving and the revenue we bring in everyear could we cover the 150 million just want to know peoples thoughts
{Ed002's Note - No it doesn't work like that. I really don't want to get in to this.}
06 May 2014 11:55:25
does anyone think van gaal will bring in some dutch youth from clubs in holland and intergrate them in with our bunch for future ground work settled going forward? I know the first team is OBVIOUSLY paramount, but for future long term plans?
cheers, edds!
I have a feeling that if he doesn't get Hummels he will go for a young Dutch centre back - probably van Dijk from Celtic.
06 May 2014 12:21:38
Just looking at today's poll and so far 4 out of 20 voters want to keep Nani.
Can one of those four please tell me why? What have I missed?
Come on Percy, spill!
His performances take the pressure off of Cleverley.
I would keep him just because he is better than Young (Not to hard to be) and he does bring a bit of flair, skill and just generally offers something different to the attack.
Nice one Fresh! Maybe the 4 are Cleverly, his Mrs and his mum n dad :-)
06 May 2014 12:18:32
Hi Guys
I'd just like to pay tribute to Nemanja Vidic on his United career.A man mountain of a man and a heart of a lion as a defender.He is a great leader and he will be missed greatly.I suspect that tonight will be emotional for him.
Thanks for everything Nemanja and good luck in the future
06 May 2014 11:20:12
eds and fellow posters, this might be a bit of a daft question but are we actually in talks with any potential targets, lots of media hype I know ( as usual lol ), thanks in advance :-)
{Ed002's Note - Clubs will not allow their players to talk to other clubs without, at least broad, agreement being reached over price.}
06 May 2014 17:20:11
thanks for the reply Ed02, so I take it we have not broadly agreed a price for any of our apparent targets i.e shaw etc
{Ed002's Note - There are no agreements.}
06 May 2014 17:20:11
thanks for the reply Ed02, so I take it we have not broadly agreed a price for any of our apparent targets i.e shaw etc
{Ed002's Note - Right now, nothing is agreed.}
06 May 2014 11:09:48
Just wanted to thank 'anon' for posting the link to van Gaal's interview about how he likes football to be played. I am now even more excited and optimistic than I have ever been. A few things are apparent:
We will play 4-3-3. Whoever is the best will play regardless of age so I can see Januzaj being involved heavily, I can see Wilson getting games, Powell getting games and I don't think he will have any problems putting a 19 year old Shaw at left back as first choice.
I can also see that there will be a lot of changes as we simply don't have enough players that would be good enough in his system which is the one that he always plays with as he said in his interview. Van Persie will be the focal point, probably two new players to complete the front 3 but Januzaj will be in the mix also. Can't see a place for Rooney. Carrick and Mata may fit in with the middle three but I can't see the rest of them fitting in too well so I think there will be at least two come in there.
It is also interesting that he likes to keep one member of the previous team in his new backroom staff. I imagine he will bring in Kluivert as an assistant, Blind as a coach, Hoek as his goalkeeping coach, Reekers as his analyst and van Dijk as his main physio. I also think we will see a return for Rene and if we keep anyone it will probably be Giggs. Will be very interesting though.
The words that made me most happy was that he said that he had an attacking philosophy. Every player knows what is expected of them and anyone can play as long as they are god enough.
I hope he is at the game tonight and announced tomorrow. Can't wait to welcome him.
{Ed004's Note - I reckon there will be 5 signings. A cb, lb, 2 cm's and a winger. I reckon this formation would suit Cleverley tbh. Wouldn't be a key player tho just decent back up}
I think a centre back too, but I don't know what sort he will go for. Will he go for established like Hummels or will be elect for a younger talent like van Dijk. Left back must be Shaw. Two CM's hopefully Kroos and Strootman - don't think he will want a risk like W. Carvalho for the price that he will command. I think he might just go for two wingers, Reus and Muller. With Januzaj and Welbeck as the main rotation options. Rooney may play out there also, as could Mata potentially but I doubt it. I don't see a future for Valencia, Nani, Young or Kagawa, but I do think we will see Zaha back here.
{Ed004's Note - I'd be delighted if he went for two wingers. My main signing would be Reus though I can't see him leaving. Hopefully Di Maria is available again this season. I think Garay would be a brilliant signing as he is brilliant on the ball}
06 May 2014 12:24:27
Fresh you keep putting Strootman down as if he is going to be likely to arrive during the summer. He has not long had an operation on his knee which will keep him out of the world cup and he is unlikely to be fit for the start of next season. So he certainly won't be able to pass a medical, and the club won't take a risk on him as the last time they did that we signed Hargreaves and the club don't want to risk that happening again.
The earliest we could sign Strootman is January, but he isn't likely to want to move mid way through a season, so I wouldn't expect him to sign until summer 2015 if van Gaal really wants him.
Totally agree Shappy, I have always said it depends on fitness and I'd say probably next summer if not January is the best time to sign him. I think van Gaal may wait for him though rather than sign William Carvalho.
Strootman is injured and won't even pass a medical so get him off your mind he is not signing for us haha maybe in the winter sales :P
06 May 2014 10:14:12
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know iftonights game is televised anywhere?
The highlights are on sky at 10:15.
Cheers
06 May 2014 10:01:04
Just thought that I would add my two pence worth on this whole Class of 92' / van Gaal's staff debate. I was listening to last night and some very very good points about this were made I thought. I put it to you that, during Moyes reign, there were a number of players on the team who felt that they were more qualified to take over from SAF than Moyes was. Giggs spearheads that list - this was part of the problem for Moyes as they didn't feel that he was right for the job. Now, this unrest needs to go. The comparisons between Giggs and Guardiola are nonsense, Guardiola had got Barca B promoted which is quite an achievement and did have some managerial pedigree.
So what would I do?
Well I think that van Gaal will want Kluivert to be his right hand man as well as having his other staff around him, his main coach, his analyst, physio etc. The question does remain though, what do you do with Giggs? I think the best thing for Giggs to do would be to take over the reserve team or under 18's management to learn his trade in management under the watchful eye of van Gaal. But I don't think he should be involved with the first team because he may have a disrupting effect.
Giggs will play a part next season. I suspect both Kluivert and Giggs will be part of the coaching staff. Scholes, Butt, Neville etc will have roles around the U18's and U21's.
The way Giggs has been talking to me implies that he is leaving to maybe pursue his managerial career elsewhere.
I'd like to see Giggs become reserve team manager and the rest become coaches of the reserve team. Who better to bring through youth players?
Wouldnt be very fair on warren joyce considering the success he has had with the u21, s
I dunno if Scholes is even too fussed about a role I think he just was helping out a mate in Giggs. Nicky Butt has been there a while anyway and Phil Neville only survived the cull due to his United connections.
As for Giggs maybe managing a youth or reserve team would be good to learn his trade he could also be involved with the first team at times.
I think the best signing LVG could make would be to bring Rene Mulensteen back, after 12 years he knows all there is to know about the set up on coaching.
I think that Giggs need a management role and an under 18s or reserve job would be the best place for him. And it's a fair point about Warren Joyce but I'm not too concerned about that.
Johndenton - agree entirely with your point - but unfortunately that's just how it goes. Was it fair what happened to the previous set-up when Moyes came in?
I don't think Giggs has the experience to be an assistant manager just now. The youth teams would be the best place for him to gain some experience and put him in a good position to step up in 3 years time when LVG retires.
06 May 2014 09:42:05
Would like to say a massive thank you to Nemanja Vidic. What a centre half. All the best to his future.
A great shame he is leaving. I wonder if he is regretting it now Moyes has gone. Wish we had him for another year as it would of eased the squad rebuild we need to do.
That's a good point that fresh, maybe. Guess he has a nice little signing on fee to look forward to tho. Anyhow all the best
Yes same here, for me great Captain and heart of a lion. We will miss him.
Great servant and warrior but has lost a couple of yards of pace in the last few seasons leading to a few red cards.wish him all the best and think the slower tempo of the italian league will extend his playing days a bit.
If we can get Hummels I can say him leaving won't be that much of a blow but if someone like hummels dosen't come in then its a massive blow
06 May 2014 09:31:31
Quick question to everyone,
As i'm not much of a betting man could anyone tell me why you can bet on hypathetically 2.5 or more goals scored? What does the .5 mean? Lol
It seems daft to me
It makes it easier for them to distinguish and makes the odds longer, e.g.
- 2 or more goals they would pay out for 2, 3, 4 etc.
- 2.5 or more they pay out from 3 upwards.
Basically no draws or nullified bets. You either bet the under or the over. If would bet the over for example for tonights game as hull might as well beat us too since everyone else has done it LOL. Beside Steve Bruce is a lovely guy and his daughter is hot :)
06 May 2014 09:04:02
Lots of talk about left backs and Shaw seems to be the favourite. With the new manager likely to want to spend in other areas too, and Shaw likely to be expensive. I wouldn't be dissapointed if we signed Ashley Cole for a season or two if it means we focus our budget on sorting centre backs and centre midfield.
I'll probably get slated!
As back up yes, as long as Shaw got most of the game time. SAF was interested at one point. Shaw and Cole would be better than Shaw and Buttner at the end of the day.