Manchester United Banter Archive November 06 2012

06 Nov 2012 22:54:11
Anyone think that Ronaldo is looking increadingly dissilusioned at Madrid? If they have a poor year and he doesn't win the Balon d'or then I see him leaving. If we sign Strootman in January then we only have around £100 million to pay to bring Ronaldo back. The sale of Nani would contribute significant amounts of cash towards the deal.

----------------De Gea
Rafael---Smalling---Vidic---Evra
------Clevs--Strootman--Ando
------Ronaldo---RVP---Rooney

That would be what I want to see. We'd also have Kagawa, Young, Valencia etc as options. I'd give 3onaldo the number 9 as its insulting to take the 7 from Valencia.

RedDevil19

He is getting older and older he will start to lose pace etc and I do not think the price tag and wages would be worth it....I would rather see the money spent on more positions in the team.

_____________DDG
Rafael___Smalls___Papa___Baines
_________Vidal___Ando_________
______Rooney_Kags_Eriksen_____
_____________RVP_____________

That team would be phenomenal in my opinion deadly as any team out there.

I would love to see ronaldo come back...but for 100mil? I don't think so. We could get wilshere/ozil , vidal , lewandowski in that amount!

kdevil10

That team would be better with Isco as he is better at going wider if need be. We'd be so narrow with that formation.

Fresh!

No namer we could buy Hummels instead of Papa.

19-20 MUFC

06 Nov 2012 21:45:19
Diamond 2013-14 season

-------------------------------DeGea-----------------------------
Rafael------Smalling---------------------Evans-------Fabio-----------------------------------Jones----------------------------------------Cleverley----------------------------Anderson--------------------------------------Kagawa-------------------------------------------vanPersie-----------------Rooney--------------------

Fergie said he was building a young/fast attacking team.

Squad rotation
DeGea/Lingaard
Rafael/ (Vermijl needs a few games when needed)
Smalling/ (Vidic could be an injury concern if used to often)
Evans/ (Rio will be used sparingly)
Fabio/ (Evra needs a lot more rest after 2 dodgy seasons)
Jones/ Carrick
Cleverley/ (Fletcher illness managed & controlled)
Anderson/ (Giggs will still want cameos)
Kagawa/ (Young or Valencia but out wide to a 4-3-3)
VanPersie/Chicharito
Rooney/welbeck

We will need to buy a CB & CM only.

TJ

No disrespect mate, but you have wayy too much free time on your hands.

Mick

Mick,

You have commented on nearly every post on here for days now but you have to audacity to say that to someone who took some time to write out a post. You never even mentioned if you agree or disagree.

I think there will be more signings than what you say TJ to be honest. Things are looking pretty exciting at the moment, with smalling and jones coming back we could be in a very strong position. Lets hope we can qualify tonight!

GDS

I have lots of free time too.

Mick

06 Nov 2012 21:24:13
Only in November and I'm bringing up the topic of summer ins/outs & loans.

Ins
Ogbonna 12-18m LCB/LB
Promising young defender to compete with Evans, Smalling & Jones to play alongside Rio/Vidic (whoever stays) It's also better to have a big strong type who can play LB (like Heinze used to be)
Moutinho 22m (match Spurs offer)
Younger Carrick style player. Equally good at defending as attacking & may work well with DeGea, Anderson, Valencia, Fabio, Rafael, Chicharito & Henriquez who speak/understand Portugese.
Isco 12-18m LCM/LW very talented young player. Rafael & Valencia have a great understanding. Maybe Fabio & Isco could down the left hand side.

Loans
Amos, Vermijl, M.Keane, Thorpe, Buttner, Cole, Petrucci, Lingard, W.Keane

Feeder Club Royal Antwerp (better than under 21's comp)
Januzaj, Møller Daelhi, Blackett

Out
Vidic (could become injury prone & Rio will sign a lesser weekly wage contract to carry on)
Nani (will move as he wants more wages)
Scholes (will retire)
Brown, Wootton, McGinty, Bebe, Brady, Cofie, Macheda,
King

TJ

06 Nov 2012 21:01:40
Can someone explain why Man C have 3 stars above the badge. I know why Ajax do, they won the original Champions League known the as the European Cup 3 times(infact 3 consecutive titles 71-73) . As I understand it, by winning the European Cup or the modern Champions League, Then the winning team can have a star above the clubs crest. A bit like the international teams have stars for winning the European Championship or World Cup, So why do Man C have 3 stars when their only European honour ie the poncy European Cup Winners' Cup in 1970. It's nearly as the embarrassment the old rangers club from Glasgow went into Euro games displaying their 5 domestic stars, a shameless cringe-worthy display, acting like they had a winning history in big euro competitions (then it became known all across the world that they where actually nobodies in the big club competitions & they STILL displayed them), winning only the poncy European Cup Winners' Cup in 1972. Their rivals Celtic is the more truthful & class act, not bothering with adorning their crest with domestic honours (& they are plentiful), only the one star for winning the European cup in 1967 the first British team to do so. {Ed004's Note - For winning the league 3 times I think}

To be fair mate, we were glad to win the ECWC back in the day. We kicked on and have never looked back.

StevieK

They've gotta start somewhere haven't they?

Supasub

Actually mate the 3 stars on Ajax shirt is for winning 30+ league titles. they only appeared last season.

ms85

I actually know the answer to this, as i was shamefully dragged on the stadium tour by my Dad! Got him back by taking him on the Old Trafford one though

It means nothing, it is for design purposes only! This from the official tour guides mouth

|Luke Chadwick's Teeth|

06 Nov 2012 19:26:27
Any news on Angelo Henriquez' progress? I don't get to see the reserves/U21's hardly ever. Would appreciate any views.
Thanks

Gav

Messi is superior.

Ste-Utd

He's scored a few goals and looks sharp.

06 Nov 2012 19:06:14
I read a report today that Xabi Alonso has stalled on contract negotiations and is looking for a potential return to the premiership. It's probably bs or just posturing but would any one have him at the right price?
I think he could do a good job in the cm area in front of a back four. There are other players i'd take ahead of him but you can't deny his quality.

Supasub

You have no chance in signing him. He loves liverpool to much. He still visits alot and gos anfield as much as he can. He has said a few times over the last few years even since we have had no cl that he wants to finish his career for liverpool.

Gaz

If theres even 1% chance to get him we should go all out for him. He is the best possible replacement to Paul scholes atm and one of the best ( if not the best ) dlp in the world.

Mick

06 Nov 2012 13:41:09
This page is always good for a laugh. Just read all the comments about a post from the liverpool page about allan. So many replys saying its delusional and hes about as good as carrick even though hes been played out of position every week (im not sayin he will ever be as good as xavi but still could end up being a top player. Hes still young and should be given a chance in his own position before such stupid comments putting him down.) i then read on to a post that says rafael is the best right back in the world. Alot of people agreeing with it. Is this not delusional and comical. Hes good and still young but best rb in the world.

Gaz

Allen will not be a top player at all.... He is Carrick's welsh counter part. Rafael is one of the best right backs in the world with maybe Piszczek, Alves and thats about it better at the minute.

Joe Allen does not get played out of position at all... He is a central midfielder that passes the ball 5 yards sideways and backwards.... When does he ever put in a 40 yard through ball and get assists. He is very much the same as Carrick.

Alves? Is not the best rb in the world, he's awful at defending, he just looks good playing in that team, stick him anywhere else and he'll look as good as he really is.

In truth I agree with Gaz, but if you cant be partizan about supporting football, then when can you?
Rafael is better than Cafu; Joe Allen couldn't hold a candle to Djemba-Djemba

Jaxer

IMO Allen is a good link up player but will never be great. But then I don't think Carrick is 'great' and although I'm a fan of Cleverly I'm not sure he will ever be 'great' so really who are we to judge!

I agree with the OP on Rafael. He is a top, young RB and seems to be improving rapidly but c'mon we are deluded if we start saying he's the best in the world...let's see how he develops first and whether he stays fit. I do have high hopes for him though

On Liverpool - I've got to say they do seem to have the highest pro rata rate of dellusion IMHO (I've done a survey of course) ; )

Gav

There we go again with more stupid comments. Allen has played near enough all games for liverpool as a dm. He is not a dm so yes he has been played out of position. To the first unamed poster from what ive seen at swansea and at times for wales allen has huge potential at still a young age. He hasnt been bad for liverpool but after time and playin in his proper position he can only get better so how can you be so sure he wont be a top player. Cleverly to me doesnt look he will ever be good enough for a top team doesnt mean he never will be. Alonsos first season was ok if was only after his first year he looked class. So you agree with me rafael isnt the best rb in the world (which 1 of you said and loads agreed with). Hes on par with jenkinson richards walker kelly and from what ive seen so far wisdom (who is alot younger) but hes along way off the likes of alves

gaz

Gaz your talking bs, on a par with jenkinson richards walker and kelly and laughably wisdom? he's miles above all of those. No not best on the planeyt but not far off. And Allen has not played as a dm at all.

Ok unamed poster. You cant have seen liverpool at all this season. Wisdom has been quality last few games. It seems all most of you want to do is put down liverpool players wihout any real argument. Yes were doing bad at the moment and some of the players arnt good enough but it doesnt mean all the players are bad. Ill give an hounest opinion of any player from any team im not gonba just put them down cos its united.

Gaz

Gaz, check out the league to see what standard your players are. Why are you even on here? Why don't you go and bug Stoke fans?

Rafael is the best right back in the prem now that Gerrard is losing his pace.

DodgyBanter

DB, what does Gerrard losing his pace has to do with Rafael beeing the best right back in the league?

Mick

I think he typed Gerrard as we are talking to a Liverpool fan by accident instead of somebody else.

Gaz... Just because Wisdom is doing well doesnt mean he is that talented or going to be great.... He is a lack lustre team full of lack lustre talent. He will end up at an Aston Villa or worse. Rafel plays for Brazil and Manchester United week in week out at the top level and is improving every game. You say your not going to put down players just because they are United players that is trollop.

Another with great football knowledge. Hes third choice for brazil behind alves and danilo. Im not even going to bother comment on the rest of your post cos its just pathetic.

Gaz

06 Nov 2012 12:26:11
just to add to some ones post yesterday
cantona after 10 games 5 goals
cole 7 goals
ole 4, teddy 5, yorke 6,ruud 5, rooney 4, ronaldo 1.rvp 8
cant read to much into it but what a start RVP has had , just shows the difference a worldclass player can make
jred

06 Nov 2012 12:15:35
Well done to SAF on his 26 years in charge. There will never be a manager like him again.
Nearly 1400 games with a near 60% win rate. Broke Liverpool's dominance and league record. 2 European Cups, too many others to mention.
And only ONE stick of gum!!

Against all odds, and against most posters belief at the start of the season, it looks like he is more than capable of winning the league again this year. I really hope he does and he goes out on a high.

On a sour note which I think needs mentioning, wasn't the re-naming of the North Stand enough of an honour? why does he now need a statue? Or surely it could wait until he is actually retired?
I have to agree with I AM KLOOT's sentiments on this matter in that Jimmy Murphy should be honoured in this way (I know the training ground was named for him, but a statue is warranted at OT)

J Bones.

P.S. SAF now has to keep playing Ando consistently, it is imperative to keep pushing his fitness, playing games and slowly he will regain all his confidence and become the player we all know that he is capable of being.
A fit Fletcher as a DM, with an attacking midfield two of Powell and Ando in front of him as a midfield three would be a fantastic triangle in the center of the park. You would then have Rooney and Kagawa playing either inside left or inside right, with RVP up top.
However, this is not going to happen, and I also wonder how is he going to accommmodate Kagawa when he comes back, SAF may see a team performing better without him, and with the old 442 formation, and stick with what he knows.

I would agree with that formation J Bones, but play clevs instead of Powell.. have not seen enough of him to suggest he should get the nod in there...

ando and clevs last season looked fantastic together...

______ Fletcher

____ Ando _ Clevs

Rooney _ RVP _ Kagawa...

Oxred

Greatest manager the club has ever had, possibly the best the world has ever had, has given 26 years of his life to the club and your questioning if its too much to honour him with a statue and a stand named after him...give me a break!

IrishRed

IrishRed, but he has already been honoured with the re-naming of the stand!
He is still the manager - he should not be glorified in this manner while still in charge of the team (and getting paid millions to do it).
In time, by all means, erect a statue in his honour, but not now.
What are the club going to do for him when he retires?? name another stand?? build another statue??
There is a time and place for everything IrishRed, a statue now is the wrong decision!

But that is only my opinion.

J Bones.

Maybe its because its possible this could be his last season, I agree the statue should be after he has retired

Pardoe

Spot on Mr Bones, He may be the second best manager this club has ever had but he has a stand and that should be enough. Jimmy Murphy should come way before him when it comes to statues. The club owes him so much more. I AM KLOOT

I agree with what jimmy murphy done before and after munich was amazing, but i cant see how sir alex not getting a statue somehow honours murphy? why cant they both have statue's? i personally think sir alex has done a hell of alot for our club and deserves every credit or statue and stand that he gets. as for murphy and the rest of the lads from munich they as will fergie will always be in my heart and remembered.

P.S i also hear Arsenal have had 60000 statues for a few years in the emeriates.
Chris the REDman

Well thats 60000 more statues than trophies!

19-20 MUFC

Lol great comment MUFC
Chris the REDman

06 Nov 2012 08:44:03
Anyone watch the u21 match last night.read that powell scored a great goal.how well was his performance and can anyone tell me about the goal he scored?.anyone mate,eds?

Andy piece

Powell scored a brilliant solo goal beat 3 players and scored from a tight angle,overall though we were very poor against a stoke side who are bottom of the league and created a few decent chances last night.
johndenton

Too be fair Palacios and Jamie Ness were playing so the Stoke side was very experienced, more so than usual.

Sydney!

It was a bad performance from the resrves tbh. We have been atrocious lately with a really bad record since Petrucci has been out of the starting lineup. he is the captain and the most influencial team member.

Mick

06 Nov 2012 08:37:36
Linked with Ince again today - while he might turn out to be a decent player it is depressing to think if we sign him we have gone from having the best/second best player in the world to a Liverpool reject curretntly plying his trade at Blackpool in the space of two moves.

IrishRed

Didn't he decide to leave liverpool for first team football? I thought they wanted to keep him

Pardoe {Ed001's Note - no, it was more than that. He was let go because he wanted guaranteed first team wages and football. His dad was also always hanging around sticking his oar in and trying to tell the coaches what to do. The thing was, he was struggling to get into the ressies at the time, so it was decided to just get rid now. Just as much to get rid of his dad as the lad himself, though it would have been different if Sterling hadn't been there, pushing him out the team.}

Ah thanks for putting me right Ed01 much obliged

Pardoe {Ed001's Note - no worries mate, it is his dad that will probably end up killing the possibility of any move to United, in my opinion, unless he gets a management job to keep him busy! There is ability there, not sure he is quite good enough for United, or would even be under consideration if he wasn't left footed though.}

I do not think he is that bad of a player and maybe will be on the Lennon/Walcott quality in years to come but being left footed means he has more to offer as Ed stated.

I'm interested to know Ed if you think Ince is better than our own Brady? I don't think there is much between them, I just feel Brady needs more game time like Ince has had.

Shappy {Ed001's Note - I would pretty much agree with your assessment, Ince just has more real first team football experience, which gives him the edge at the moment. Ability-wise, there is almost nothing in it, but Ince has just got the edge in decision making due to his experience. If Brady is not going to get first team football, then that difference will continue to grow and grow.}

06 Nov 2012 00:45:31
(touch wood) say United have the perfect season & win the Prem & the Champs League. A lot of fans think Sir Alex will leave.

He has always said, he'd be involved in choosing the right replacement & making sure the structure of the team is in good shape.

So.......... Mid August when we play in the Community Shield our team will look like this 20 yrs & over.........

GK DeGea 22, Lindegaard 29, Amos 23, Johnstone 20
RB Rafael 23, Jones 21, Vermijl 21
RCB Smalling 23, Evans 25, M.Keane 20
LCB Vidic 31, Ferdinand 34, Wootton 21
LB Evra 32, Fabio 23, Buttner 24
DM Carrick 32, Fletcher 29, Thorpe 20
RCM Cleverley 24,( Powell 19 ), Tunnicliffe 20, Cole 20
LCM Anderson 25, Scholes 38, Petrucci 21, Lingard 20
HOLE Rooney 27, Kagawa 24, ( Henriquez 19 )
RWF Valencia 28, Nani 26, Bebe 23
LWF Young 28, Brady 21, Giggs 39
ST van Persie 30, Chicharito 25, Welbeck 22, W.Keane 20, Macheda 22, King 21

What will the "New Manager do" with this lot?
GK Amos loan, Johnstone 3rd choice.
CB Wootton sold, Rio out? - Ogbonna 15m in?
LB Buttner loan, Fabio & Evra challenge for LB.
DM Thorpe loan
RCM Cole loan
LCM Scholes will retire, Petrucci loan, Isco 18m in
HOLE Henriquez loan
RW Nani & Bebe sold
LW Ince 5m in
ST Macheda, King & Cofie all sold

TJ

I am pretty sure who ever takes over will have SAF to turn too if needed. They have most probably had a say in some of the signing we have made the last few seasons. Thats if SAF has built the squad for them with their help.

-JakeW