Manchester United Banter Archive October 06 2018

06 Oct 2018 16:42:03
Spend over £50m on Fred, but play McTominay instead in what you have described as a must win game.

We're at home against a team with two points and 4 goals, and Jose still has to play two holding mids. This is a manager who has either completely lost the plot, or wants his severance package.

06 Oct 2018 16:49:45
Should be sacked for gross misconduct. Playing McTom as CB the other day. He is more bothered about ruffling feathers than winning football matches.

06 Oct 2018 17:12:06
He's just using a tried and trusted method. Playing McTominay in place of Pogba last year had the desired effect on making Pogba up his game. If only for a little while.

Jose needs to play his trump cards now. And for a manager who is often slated for not giving youngsters a chance consistently picking one he gave a debut too is a good argument to have if your critics come calling for your head.

Fred, has been okay for us so far but is clearly still adapting to the EPL. So I can see why Jose might choose to go with a player who has already adapted.

Could be worse, he could have Fellaini on instead of McTominay.

06 Oct 2018 17:25:12
Gross misconduct 🤣🤣

I feel like everyone's anger is misguided.

There are much bigger problems at Man United than Jose.

06 Oct 2018 17:29:12
It really does feel as if Jose is seeing how far he can push, not only the board, but fans too.

Very strange selection against a really poor team.

Oh well.

06 Oct 2018 17:38:28
So that went well. No pressing, Young skinned, no cover.

06 Oct 2018 18:18:35
The biggest problem at United at the moment is Jose.
We look a carbon copy of his last Chelsea team.

06 Oct 2018 18:21:44
Problem is Mctominay is absolute tripe. His touch is so poor, yet he keeps playing. he's 7ft, so that qualifies him for a Mourinho team. Pogba and Matic have been useless. Matic is a goner and Pogba doesn't give a toss.

06 Oct 2018 18:50:15
While i don't agree with a lot of what Pogba does i have to say i disagree with AAA he is the only player on the pitch today who i am actually looking at and would mind if he was pulled off all our better work is going through him.

06 Oct 2018 19:40:01
I thought Pogba stepped up and was the reason we won the game in the end. Matic needs to be dropped has looked slow and poor for a few months now.

06 Oct 2018 19:42:41
3 goals in 2nd half to win. Carbon copy of chelsea.

06 Oct 2018 19:59:17
@angelred

Where do you think we'll finish this season under Mou?

06 Oct 2018 20:02:08
I love it Angellll!

06 Oct 2018 20:52:44
Pogba changed the game in 2nd half as he had a free roll. I thought fellaini made a difference to.

06 Oct 2018 21:00:30
Take off Bailly to put McTominay back as CB, after his performance against West Ham, crazy decision.

06 Oct 2018 21:19:12
Sadly I think that result will save his job.

06 Oct 2018 23:26:58
That second half performance was the spirit and tenacity that utd have had since i remember. Yes that has been missing for the past few years but tonight we really did show a flash back to the fire that we all know and love. Even martial looked game, pogba was class, lukakus touch is like a blind fella cutting your hedge but his effort is up there. I think the majority of the current team don't respect or understand the prestige of playing for our great club but today there was glimpses of passion. Over the past few weeks k ivejumped from side to side of the fence on whos at fault but in all honesty i just want to see the fire back. The passion and desire and fight but more than anything pride. If your not proud to be at this club then you shouldn't be here. And that's from bootman to owner.

06 Oct 2018 23:36:23
James,

Sadly?

And so it bloody should, the reason to sack him would be that he’s lost the dressing room but if you’re telling me that team didn’t fight in the 2nd half I’m confused. You can’t sack him after that. One of my favourites games at OT in years, fantastic stuff.

07 Oct 2018 00:49:05
Bang on GDS. Mourinho quotes sound like he did a good job at half time. Maybe the leaked Mirror article is the catalist for the team spirit that JM has been after.

Thoroughly enjoyed the second half. Passion and pride were there for all to see.

07 Oct 2018 08:35:16
I don't know about all of the other stuff, genuinely don't know but I'll tell what I do know for 45 mins yesterday I felt like a Manchester United fan again and it was glorious.

I woke up this morning and felt like a united fan again.

The manager takes enough stick when we are crap so we must give credit when he deserves it.

According to fellaini he simply said at half time stop being afraid and enjoy the game.

I know I did if we play like that every match I'd give him a 10 year contract.

08 Oct 2018 10:09:47
it's been one 45 minute performance all season, this is Manchester United we should be producing that every 90 minutes, he should have been sacked long ago.

06 Oct 2018 11:28:42
Was just thinking of Sanchez and why he is tanking so much at United.
I watched a lot of his highlight reels and noticed that literally everything outstanding he did at Arsenal involved Mesut Ozil in some way. The one thing that was always said about Sanchez is that he worked hard and to be fair I think the same can still be said of him at United but he is not getting into those positions, those little pockets of space where he used to be so lethal at Arsenal.
Now granted we don't have Ozil but we do have Mata, we do have Pereirra, we do have Fred. Instead of giving pogba this free role why not play one of the above 3, my preference would be Fred or Mata.
Drop Pogba as we can't play him and one of the above, or play him in a deeper role but 2 years on and I still have no idea whether he can play that role or play Matic/ Fellaini and Hererra in midfield.
I still can't believe our cm is as limited as it is all we seem to have is big slow defensive midfielders or players who are more attack/ No.10 minded. We don't seem to have any true all round/ box2box midfielder.
Mata seems to have been totally given the cold shoulder this season, I don't really understand why. I don't really understand why if Pogba causes so much trouble for the manager why he isn't just dropped, no way Fergie would be starting the likes of Pogba.
Jose demoted schweinsteiger to the reserves for like 6 mths 2 years ago and there was none of this crap coming out in the media.
Drop Pogba, what have you got to lose Jose, by all accounts he's going to cost you your job in any case, why are you still playing him.

06 Oct 2018 12:26:57
We have the same problem for any of our attacking players. It's simply that we have a static midfield, poor full backs (until recently with Shaw doing what we need) and absolutely no idea how to break teams down because all we seem to work on is defensive shape.

When you compound this with LVG and Jose both preferring to counter the opposition rather than attack the opposition relentlessly it means we always attack with far too few players. Martial looks bright occassionally but he has to beat 3 men to do anything.

Depay, ADM, Falcao, RVP, Rooney, Mata, Miki, Rash, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial - all of them and more have suffered because they have so little happening around them that they have no room and because we attack so infrequently evey time they mess up it looks far worse. Everything is so slow and predictable - new attack focused manager and we can get back to bitching about how poor we are defensively and not worry about it because we are scoring 4-5 goals a game.

Matic/ Pogba/ Fellaini in midfield is an absolute joke. Pogba causes more confusion than anything, never releasing the ball at the right time, always looking for the Rooney QB pass. All three job about most of the time. We need some consistency to our team selection so full backs can build relationships with wide attackers as well. Valencia is not good enough, best to blood Dalot now or go back into the market for Sidibe. We need a proper RW as well, Fred and midfield engine (Herrera short term), sack off Matic as we don't need a holder if Pogba is playing as we will dominate the ball and our CB's can double up on 1 attacker.

06 Oct 2018 13:39:49
Beast i agree that the movement in the final 3rd is awful. But that is not joses form all his teams have always had great movement and players breaking from midfield.
Hazard oscar willian duff robben di maria drogba costa lampard deco ballack the list goes on.
So i'm quite sure he doesn't coach them to be so static. Its not been a trait of any of his previous teams.
I watch players like rash martial and lukaku dropping off laying the ball off it goes wide and those guys are still ambling towards the 18 yard line. Not busting a gut to get on the end of any potential cross. i'm quite sure he doesn't tell them not to get into goal scoring positions through work rate and desire or through football intelligence.
Nobody running on in midfield onto breaking balls like lampard ballack oscar etc i'm sure he doesn't tell them not to make runs.
Im sure he doesn't tell valencia to go backwards every time he gets the ball or whack every cross as hard as he can.
Its very frustrating.

06 Oct 2018 14:14:10
Ken - whoever he plays in there we look the same to me, but the 3 jogging giants take the Michael. Managers typically get more defensive as they get older (do you think LVG teams of the past played as negatively as we did under him? ) . Even the great SAF started to get a bit negative with their strategy towards the end.

A major problem is the new breed of manager studied Jose, he was the best. They have all learned how to combat how he sets his teams up, couple that with him getting even more defensive, it means our team isn't fluid - we move in blocks. In 10 years time Pep will have to evolve or be found out.

I agree completely that there is so little movement, I watched the other night and without the ball too many of our players were walking. They all try hard when the opposition have it typically, it's when we have it that we are too lazy. Players not trusting one another, not thinking 3-4 passes ahead or running for that pass later in the move because they firstly don't want to risk being out of position (wrath of Jose) and secondly doubt we will retain the ball for 3-4 passes. All our chances seem to come from opponent mistakes or somebody having to beat 2-3 men to free up room.

In terms of players not following his instructions - then he has to go. Why does he keep picking players that willfully ignore him or are incapable of doing simple things? Another sign of a manager leaving their prime is they look for favourites and obfuscate - Valencia should not be playing on form neither should have of them.

The whole thing is so frustrating. Hopefully we get some resolution one way or the other soon. Jose of 10 years ago would have Pogba playing with the reserves imo.

06 Oct 2018 14:29:51
I agree on pogba.
Imo jose should have resigned when the window closed. He was on a hiding to nothing. He needed certain players out and it didn't happen.

06 Oct 2018 16:51:31
He wants his payout mate. He doesn't care about turning things around, he can BS his way out of anything as the media will lap up anything he says.

06 Oct 2018 17:22:25
Midfield 3 of pogba, Matic and mctominay tells me we can expect exactly the same thing we've seeing all season. No vision from midfield, poor service to the front men, boring football and a lack of chances. If this is his final game I feel he's going out with a whimper.

06 Oct 2018 09:55:06
We sre only 5 points off 4th place.
We wre in a bad patch.
The players need to take responsibility and play as a team.
Its embarrassing to watch. The club, the manager and players need to do more.

06 Oct 2018 11:07:23
We've had an easy start to the season, and are still well off the pace. The team is imploding, and the manager and some of the players have a lot to answer for.

06 Oct 2018 11:42:14
Maybe the players would have listened to a club legend call out the board with such passion and realise what type of club they are at and show some themselves. Player power has got to stop!

06 Oct 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th October 2018

06 Oct 2018 08:57:43
There is a major problem with the lack of Black Managers in the league, whether it is casual racism or more overt than that I don’t know. However, Yorke plays the race card when he has done nothing to suggest he should get a big job. I know Lampard and Gerrard have started at a good level but the discipline they showed through their careers will have helped. Yorke’s ‘style’ will worry people - does he have the intellect, the discipline, the work ethic required. To blame the colour of hiis skin is a cheap shot.

{Ed001's Note - exactly and makes it harder for a genuine black man/woman who has been discriminated against.}

06 Oct 2018 11:49:14
There are obvious issues with the lack of ethic diversity in top level management. But Yorke is lumping that in with the broader issue of former top level players feeling that they’re entitled to walk into a top job on the basis of their playing career. I thought it was outrageous when Giggs claimed that he wouldn’t manage at a lower division. Management necessitates a completely different skill set that has to be developed, and top level management positions are earned.

{Ed001's Note - spot on.}