Manchester United Banter Archive September 06 2012

06 Sep 2012 22:01:39
I know this is extremely unlikely but what do you guys think if we actually went in for Neymar with deal that the club agreed to..What do you think Neymar would say and expect in the contract wage wise? (Im just curious im not deluded)

GG93

He'd want more than he's on currently, and from what i've heard he is the best paid player in brazil ever. He's on something like 200k a week atm. So we'd have to beat that, and on a player who is an undoubted talent but still very much a risk i just can't see us going for it.

Shappy

5 tubs of gel a week.

MPez

No I know Shappy it was purely just to get peoples opinions on what it would cost etc .

I'd expect cost wise you'd have to spend more than 45m for him and put him on a five year contract at around 250k a week at least. Thats 65m in wages over the five years so he'd cost us about 115m to have him for five years with agent fee's thrown in. IMO anyway.

Shappy

Best player in brazil that lad is not fit to lace peles boots and never will be as long as hes got a arse h..e a red united fan

06 Sep 2012 21:50:56
Reading kloots posts I would like to hear his opinion on sir matt?

06 Sep 2012 21:49:13
KLOOT..... what do you think of Jack Barmby? I think you know where I'm intending to go with this....

Whistler.

06 Sep 2012 20:34:45
Hi Eds, Great site, keep up the good work. Just wanted to say i loved Rooneys comment into todays Mirror regarding the Sunderland fans behaviour when we lost the league last season.

Like Rooney i'm looking forward to the SAFC game this season at OT and hoping we flatten them (no offence J.O.S & Wes) and i think we REALLY need to give their muppet fans a vocal blast they will never forget! All together now...." FERGUSONS RED & WHITE ARMY...."

06 Sep 2012 19:32:24
Devil Dust Deeps Gaz You are obviously very young and have not been supporting United for any time. Anybody on this site who supported United through the 70s and 80s will know exactly why i slagged off Liverpool and hate Owen with a passion. When Fergie joined this club he use to spit feathers about the club he hated them as much as us and said his main purpose was to knock them right off their F***ing perch. I have been to Anfield too many times and had to listen to Munich songs and chants and look at banners mocking our dead. You obviously never saw players like Robbo and Norman then you would have seen how much they hated Liverpool. You don't remember when the United lads in the England squad Beckham Nevilles Scholes and Butt wouldn't even sit with liverpool players. I accept that for some of you there has only been success and you probably see Arsenal or Chelsea as our rivals. Let me make this very clear to you Liverpool always have been and always will be our biggest rivals. They hate us and we hate them. Never should anyone who has worn their shirt be allowed to bask in some reflected glory of wearing our beloved red shirt. I am sure that those of you sat in pubs down south wearing your United shirts have no knowledge of the hate between the two cities which goes back to the building of the Manchester Ship Canal and also Manchesters opposition to Slavery whilst liverpool was built on the Slave trade. So I stand by my statement that I hate Liverpool its supporters its players and the self pittying city. Del Piero you were right. I AM KLOOT

Completely agree.

G.A.G.U.S

Don't forget Leeds either. Leeds and Liverpool are our biggest rivals.

G.A.G.U.S

KLOOT, I am sure you have plenty of reasons to hate Liverpool and their supporters as do all United supporters. There is a difference when you say things that contradict the point you are trying to make. Agreed Fergie came in to knock them off their perch and he did but he is also the one that got Owen on a free transfer. Question is now do you hate Fergie because he brought him in? That was a very negative post about Owen I believe that he was honoured to wear the shirt and gave his all when he played for us. I could really care less if he played at Liverpool or $hitty he was brought in to do a job and he did when asked. So from your post you are saying that anyone with ties to Liverpool is on your hate list and would be a "stain" on our clubs history. I know that everyone is entitled to their opinion but you have issues we all hate Liverpool obviously not as much as you. I hear your reasons and they are reason enough to hate any team but really there must be a line. I am sorry but for me you crossed that line with your Owen post he was a true professional up to the day he was released. Personally I know about the history of the team and was born in the 80s but that doesn't mean I like Liverpool lol. I try to look at things from your point of view but I for one have to throw my hands up and say I give up. In the future try not to be so hateful...

Darren-Bermuda {Ed007's Note - Matt Busby played for LFC, and City.}

Wow well said ,that's the best post I've seen on here.

Kloot. I was the 1st to take issue with your original post. I am 47 and been going since '78 so I grew up with the scousers winning everything. Your comments were typical of the blinkered partisan infantile attitude of so many fans. SAF might have wanted to knock them off their perch but it didn't stop him signing Owen did it? As for the Munich songs, I refuse to get upset any more. And I'm guessing you don't sing anything offensive do you...?

AJH

KLOOT, There's people dying in the world. I think you need some air.

Whistler.

He can't Whistler the cupboard I have him in is locked pretty tight he is only allowed on this website everything else is blocked..... I will fill up his water bowl though now you reminded me I have him. lol

George

Banter is usually good natured. the word hate is very strong, much too strong for football banter. i am liverpool supporter and dont like you winning anything, like you dont like us winning anything. you have won more english titles fair play, that hurts us. we have had much more european success, own a european cup, something you crave.
most of my family and friends are Man United fans. i dont hate manu fans, i enjoy banter, get alot of stick lately because of our position but thats life. we will be back, and when we are we will show you how its done in europe. lol

B O H

Hate is toxic and infects everything it touches. To truly hate anyone for something as silly as where they're from or who they support is nothing more than sad. I pity you Kloot, your so wrapped up in hating people and a team that it eats away at you every time you think of it. This is a very sad exsistance. I thoroughly dislike the scousers and i give them more than my fair share of banter, but i don't hate them as quite simply i refuse to let them bother me that much.

Shappy

Yes i was born in the mid 80's .. definitely not my fault(ask my parents). And i seriously dont think that age limits your love for your favourite club. Shall i say that 90% of my lifespan i have been a die hard supporter.

As i stated earlier i have a lot of respect for your fanaticsm for the club. All the facts u have mentioned with regards to 'Pool are valid enough.. but tell me something. Have you never found a Manc with sick Hillsborough chants? Do we not do our bit in showing our hatred for them

Have we not seen Gary, Patrice and others with rather unsportsman like gestures?(btw i absolutely loved them).

All said and done, i would restrict my hatred towards Liverpool as a club. Owen played for us, did his best, respected the shirt and the club and was a thorough PRO. Why slate him? .. And if SAF did sign him you end up questioning the guy "who knocked 'em off their F***in perch."

IMHO, i would never ever foul mouth or talk bull about anyone who has played for us and not made a mockery of us like Tevez. Simple as that.. Still hate Liverpool and always will. Don't confuse the two.

I second DB ... Please be a lil more positive, and not so hateful :)

Deeps....

Im a Southerner and I grew up being jealous of and hating Liverpool as they were winning everything.
Made even worse in recent years by my betting over £200 with friends that were Liverpool fans that AC Milan would beat them in CL final and ringing them all up at half time to gloat....Karma :(
ANyway I was as Kloot disgusted when we signed Owen, not for the same reasons as Kloot though, simply because for me because I had seen him play live in months recently prior to the signing and he was nowhere near the player he used to be. So to then see him being given the 7 shirt I had so idolised all the way through my life from my earliest football memories of the superb Bryan Robson, the magic of Cantona, the hardworking technically excellent poster boy in our best ever midfield 4 of Beckham through to the dazzling skills of Ronaldo, to see Owen given the shirt, I felt cheated as the chain of wonderful players I had seen given the shirt throughout my lifetime had been broken. And I do again in seeing Valencia given the shirt, dont get me wrong he is a good player but we have lost the magic of the shirt the last few years. However if for example we signed a young Gerrard/McMananaman from Liverpool now and he got the number 7 I wouldnt be angry. I dont like Liverpool but there will always be players at any team you respect and admire and would like in your side regardless of tribal support. I think Liverpool fans wouldnt be angry if they were to have signed some of our past number 7s from us and the feeling is the same. I prefer us to sign relative unknowns like Cantona and Ronaldo and turn them into our own stars but I have no problem either signing ready made stars like RVP regardless of where they arrive from.
Invisble Stuey

06 Sep 2012 17:51:02
I tthink utd should look at Marco Reus of dortmund he is very quick skillfull and has a good pair of feet.

He just moved to Dortmund but In jan we could have a look at him

What do you think EDDS??

KAYLEM1300

No chance borrussia will sell him after a year let alone 6months

06 Sep 2012 18:19:29
Apparently Fergie has met with Pep Guardiola in New York. Discussing Pep's takeover next year?

06 Sep 2012 18:10:25
The whole Nani saga is an interesting one. You hear reports that he wants to stay, then he is unhappy - its been a bit of a rollercoaster. However I feel that today it will come to and end (until January). If Nani doesn't sign a deal by January then he will be replaced in the next transfer window. I feel that we have up to £40 million to spend on a replacement, I feel we will pick from a top player - these options:

- Iker Muniain £25-£30,000,000
- James Rodriguez £25,000,000
- Neymar £40,000,000
- Mario Gotze £30-£40,000,000
- Isco £10,000,000

I would say that that is the list. Hazard was first choice, Lucas Moura was second choice and Rodriguez may have been third choice however he did not wish to leave / or Porto weren't willing. Based on transfers at their current clubs and their financial situation I'd say that Rodriguez is not likely as Porto are now financially safe, the same would go for Gaitan. Malaga still need to sell so Isco is possible, Bilbao also may need to sell so Muniain is an option. Neymar won't leave for two more years however Gotze is an outside chance. So overall, i'd say in terms of likelihood these are the three:

1) Isco
2) Muniain
3) Gotze

In terms of priority, the list would be in reverse I feel. Gotze would be my first choice, but either Muniain or Isco would be great signings for us.

RedDevil19

Just wondering if Nani is sold (i wish he stays), will it open up opportunity for any youngsters ?? I'm not sure if we have any talented wingers in our reserve...

AJ

I think our targets for a left winger should be..

James Rodriguez (Mini Valencia absolute beast with ridiculous ability)
Iker Muniain (Great balance and dribbling, maybe would struggle week in week out in the premiership due to size but may excel in that environment)
Neymar (Huge Dream !)
Gareth Bale (If he joins he would improve hugely with the strikers we have the assists would be off the charts)
Isco (Nice little player maybe should of snatched him up before the window shut just in case we were saying bon-voyage to Nani)

George

But you never know who is going to come through this year and have a blinder of a season or crash and burn.

I'd prefer Munian then Rodriguez as both are proper left wingers. Isco is cheapest but i believe right footed? Gotze isn't a winger he's an AMC although he could do a job as the left sided one on a trio of AM's behind a striker. But not as a winger.

I hope SAF has a plan.
I'm afraid we'll be light on the wings for the first time in a long time.

Hope he plays youth when needed, and doesn't choose to play players out of position, like he did in the past to piss of Pogba etc.

Jonny8

P.S.: Can't see Nani leave now and leaving us with just Valencia & Young as established wingers

AJ

Jack Barmby but he is only 17. Watch the video of him and particularly note the balance and close control in the way he can beat a player

Red Man

I'd go for Muniain and have a fluid, interchanging front 4 of...

Muniain_Rooney_Kagawa
________RVP_________

Add to that a top defensive minded holding player to partner Cleverly (if he proves himself this season) and we could play fullbacks with the license to roam forwards to provide the width e.g. Valencia and....Baines?!

Gav

06 Sep 2012 17:26:58
Well, Nani is still at United and is in the squad list for the season, looks like the "I told you so" message is here!

Percy

Percy, Nani is woeful at the best of times.... There is nothing to back him up as a class player he should be at a Zenit or Porto and not Man United.... I am sorry but the money raised can go towards a Iker Muniain, James Rodriguez or if we really want to have a go at brining in a star then Neymar (which I realise is a long shot he is Barca or Madrid bound).. I think it is a little strange letting him go when we can not replace him and he is our best left winger on his day but if the money is right and he will not sign a contract here we can not risk letting him go for peanuts.

GG93

GG93

That's one of the more ignorant posts I've ever seen. "woeful at the best of times"? Neither of the wingers you mentioned are near his level yet, and I reckon whoever we bring in will get similar treatment as, our best winger, Nani.

Percy

Percy

If we sold Nani now we couldn't replace him until January and I would be concerned he was being sold to balance the books rather than the true reason being that his standard is not up to being first choice in our team

Red Man

Percy are you kidding?? Do you own a bandwagon with one participant of you and only you! Nani is p1ss poor the majority of times.... Muniain or Rodriguenot on his level? Whos level would you put Nani on ?

Ok Percy I'll give it a go Nani is average or below most times every once in a while lightning strikes and he has a great game. Other than that I would bite someones hand off for 25m that could be reinvested in the squad. I think that youth could be the answer and if Fergie is willing to go down that road until we can replace him I'm all for it. If GG93 would have said woeful at most times would be more accurate because when he is on he is a good player but when does that happen? The point is if he was sold today I wouldn't lose any sleep.

Darren-Bermuda

I can't name a better winger in the league, possibly even the world (excluding Ronaldo). He's got it all, pace, strength, trickery, when he gets a run of games he's sensational.

Percy

Percy

I genuinely can't believe you keep defending Nani. He should've been sold and replaced.

G.A.G.U.S

Percy are you serious?? I could name quite a few wingers better than him.... Pedro, Muniain, Valencia, Mata,Ribery,Robben,Sanchez,Di Maria,Moura,Navas,Schurrle,Muller,Hulk,Hazard.They all could arguably be rated higher than Nani and Im not going to continue naming footballers.

06 Sep 2012 14:55:48
strong rumours peps about to take over as manager in the summer, him and fergie have been spotted in NewYork, i havent got a specific source, but alot of people are saying this

06 Sep 2012 14:37:33
Cristiano ronaldo has stated that he will not join man city aslong as sir alex is boss of united. Great news for us then :D

FAZ

So thats a year or two then

Mike

Does Cristiano know something we dont, like when SAF will retire?

Cban

06 Sep 2012 12:38:24
I talked about Rooney dropping to CM and its been reported today he could do that . I talked about Neymar being an option and a bid was supposed to have happened as well (though denied). Next on my crystal ball I predict a 2-0 win against Wigan...
Also, Muinian would be a perfect replacement for Nani if he goes to Zenit but I would just as soon wait a year and play Daehli there to save ourselves £25m or put in a bid for Ronny in the summer.

Dan

No Rooney couldn't do that.

Why are people so obssesed with taking aplayer who regularly scores 20 a season and in one season scored over 30 and playing him in the middle of the park? it would be a waste of talent and waste one of his best attributes.

Is it cos he runs a around a lot trying to drag the team on, or is it all the times he's popped up at left back having to do Evra's job for him?

Here's a radical idea: How about we leave Rooney upfront to develop a partnership with van Persie and Kagawa and leave Shinji to do the dropping back and actually sign a central midfielder?

I do agree that Muniain would be a great signing and have suggested as such a few times. However i think next season is too soon for Daehli.

Mort

Daehli is a great prospect but wont be ready in a year most probably 2-3,he is too lightweight and will need to grow and bulk up.
johndenton

I agree with Mort, don't actually think Rooney is suited to an out and out CM role. He's not agile enough, doesn't play enough 'percentage football' and would be wasted having to track back and mark players

I'd like to see us by next season be in a position to play a fluid 3 behind RVP as the main striker...Kagawa, Rooney and someone of the ilk of Muniain would do nicely (selling Nani to fund the deal if necessary)

We could still play Valencia & Young in other games with more direct wing play. Valencia could even be used as a wingback if we get in a good defensive minded CM

Gav

Gav Plan A could be a midfield 2 out of Cleverley, Carric, Anderson and whoever we buy with a fluid 3 of Rooney, Kagawa and Nani (or replacement) and van Persie up front.

Plan B could involve a more direct attack so Valencia comes into play.

I just think we get so much more with Rooney up top either in the hole or as the spearhead, especially with Kagaw and van persie around him or Valencia banging in crosses. We'd lose so much by putting him into the middle.

And i question his touch and even his temperament for the middle.

Mort

06 Sep 2012 11:29:06
Hi What are peoples thoughts on the article today and Rooney slating the Sunderland Fans for doing the Pozman, I know a few SAFC fans and they cant see the problem, a few seasons ago when SAFC were relegated after match against United, the United fans jumped up and down and stated how rubbish Sunderland were, I think it's a bit rich of Rooney to come out with comments like this and sometimes makes us United fans look a bit bitter towards City winning the league last season.
KevDarko.

I have no problem with what Rooney has said - i for one thought it was a disgrace of the Sunderalnd fans - yes if we slagged them off maybe there is bitterness there but that was at our match.
I never understood why another club celebrated another teams goal when it didnt effect them.
It could be bitterness in my part as i still feel sick thinking about that last game.

Hope we hammer Southampton and QPR this season ;)

Giants14

I think its sad that other teams have to celebrate anything that mob do to just try and wind us up. Although if we hadn't have been playing them they probably wouldn't have bothered.

Poznan this poznan that when we Played Bursaspor their fans celebrated like that BEFORE city played Poznan.

Teams have been doing it years before rubbishty copied it.

When isay say Southampton i actually meant Sunderland lol Southampton o the brain this week for some reason ;)

Giants14

06 Sep 2012 11:00:58
A lot of talk going on about Pep Guardiola becoming our next manager, as much as I hate to think of Sir Alex leaving, it will happen soon. I hope it's Pep Guardiola mainly because he is young, experienced, has an eye for talent and he knows how to defeat any team. (Well most of the time).

Also Sir Alex has been wanting the players to play more like Barcelona, maybe this is something to do with mister Guardiola? Getting the players ready to take on a new style of football? All will be revealed in years to come.

Question for you guys though, Who would you like to take over Sir Alex and If your answer is Pep, would you like us to play more like Barca? Tika Taka?

I wouldn't mind it, to be honest.

-JakeW

I'd want to see Pep do it at another club first to be honest. Everything was in his favour at Barca, i'd like to see him over come some adversity before he is ready to replace Sir Alex.

For me I think Blanc would be our best bet. He's played for us and know's the club, plus he has a good track record at both club and international management. I think him with Neville as his assistant manager would be awesome.

Shappy

First and foremost, I'd be glad to see Guardiola come in, he's my number one choice. However I do not want is to be as one dimensional as Barca are.. If the passing game doesn't work then they come unstuck. I am by no means a fan of the Stoke long ball gameN but spraying passes in a Scholesesque fashion makes us more versatile.

Generally though the Guardiola/Barca model would suit us fine.

RedDevil19

Mourinho for me every day of the week, he's by far the best manager in the world at the moment

Big Mac

The only man for the job is Jose.

People seem to forget the only reason Peps barca team are as good with the ball is they all grew and evolved together. You can see now with the introduction of a few 'outsiders' into the forward line the cohesion that was always so natural is now a little forced. Pep only nurtured an almost ready team and has now bolted when they are starting to fade. He sees it, I can see it, the barca team will have to evolve soon and it will be very interesting to see how they do it.

Pep under the guise of pressure left his job so under even more pressure to regain top spot in England and Europe with us thinks it will be any different? If anything it will be more. People will expect a certain style and expect the results from his barca days. This will be added pressure and on top of all that he would be succeeding SAF. Something in itself will add untold amounts o pressure especially if he is still around the club.

I think Jose is the only one who can take that pressure in his stride with knowledge of the EPL behind him and no doubt a desire to wipe the smile off Abramovichs face and battle city at the same time. We need that leadership and although his antics may well be out of sorts sometimes there is no denying his ability to get the best out of his players and bring the top players who want to play for him. So heres hoping to there must be a few CMers of top quality that will want to play for him.

Jono

Jono I agree, pressure wise it has to be Jose he's the only one with the cojones he take over from Fergie, battle City and Chelsea and has exp of already managd in the Prem with a pressure job.

I have 3 concerns with Jose:

1. Longevity. How long will he plan on being manager? Say if over 3 years he wins 2 league titles and a Champions League will he move on to the next job?

2. Money. Jose likes having a fair bit to spend, we seem to be restricted to £50 million a summer. Would he settle for that? Would we find more? Is there a reason we only spend 50 million? Are we saving money for Jose? Would Jose just make 1 big signing and use the squad he has?

3. Youth policy. At Chelsea success had to be instant so the youth suffered. At Inter he was only there for 2 years so had no impact. At Madrid he has played a few kids. But would our youngsters with potential get a chance under Jose? Would financial restrictions mean they get a go? JHose does like his old guad type players but with our young talent and potentially limited buget would he play them?

I think Guardiola has to go somewhere and prove himself with a team where he isn't holding the best hand of cards. However that could take 3 years and we don't have 3 years. Pep though would be good for our youngsters as i think they'd get more chance with him, but then Pep isn't that good at buying players.

Its swings and roundabouts as both have strengths and weaknesses but Jose is ahead by a distance.

Blanc is a good 3rd choice but again i think he needs to prove himself. Jose has nothing to prove and Pep has his Barca record.

I think Jose for 3-5 years to take the transition followed by OGS/ Gary Nev dream ticket is likely.

Mort

Sadly, neither Guardiola nor Mourinho would be at OT longer than 3 seasons IMO.

It may be wishful thinking but I'd like to think our next manager would be keen to do a SAF and make the club his life until he retires........unlikely, but still!

RED_SKY

Why wouldnt Guardiola stay longer than 3 seasons? He has been quoted as saying that he wants to build his dynasty at a club. He even used what SAF has done as an example. IMO Guardiola would intend to stay for atleast a decade.

TK-Red

Jose has said previous that he can never be considered the best as the fact remains he has never built a team of his own, something he has regularly stated as well as his yearning for a return to England. He has mentioned before of his longing to spend a longer time at a club with no record of hasty decisions in manager swapping. All these points put us in prime contention for him.

He knows what we are about and what we stand for. He may be a bit over zealous in his actions but will no doubt demand the same standards and level of performance Saf already does. IMO he is ready made.

We seem to think our next manager has to be a guarenteed man for ten years but why? I could positively say we will never have a manager for anything more than 8 years max. People want to be successful quicker. We see it with players now and managers are the same. Especially the good ones.

Our prayers would be answered if OGS or GNev were good enough to slot straight in and they are probably the only ones we could hope for a long tenure out of. Nobody owes us ten years, nobody has a ten year project anymore at the top. Our best target is a transition of out with Saf and continue the success then the next man after will not have to follow Saf. I genuinely think Jose is the best equipped to take over in the next 2 years and for that reason we should be looking to him.

On the money if you look at his total spends the amounts are not that much at all. Yes he may have splashed big on certain players but most of his big spends have come from Portugal a country notorious for getting great deals.

Youth he does give a chance to. Stanton and Balotelli were both brought to the fore at inter. Callejon, Marcelo, Varane are youngsters in the squad with games behind them with other signings like Khadira, Contreao, Ozil etc still between 22 and 27. So is it worth it to have a top young squad with still alot of potential? Hell yes it is.

If he were to get say 50m plus sales we could easily sort out 2 CM signings of top quality and be the top force again.

So with a couple of top additions in the middle and a new hungry manager and a hungry talented youthful and focused squad I can see the future being bright with our talented youth filling most of the squad positions easily.

Jose is our man.

Jono

Great thread guys! TBH I can't fathom a United without AF as I'm only 27 years old. So I find it hard to know what I think would be best as he has been a total one off! Having said that, the main plus I see with Mourinho is his PL experience, a league in which every game is a tricky one. I think he'd do well but doubt he'd stay around for long so not sure he's ideal. I'd love for one of our next manager's to stick around for many years if possible - Solskjaer must be a good shout for that but he won't be ready for a while yet...so maybe get Mourinho to plug the gap?

Gav

Jono as I said at Madrid he has used kids more, depsite a plethora of big names.

I do think he'll just use the budget he has on a couple of big names (hopefully Eriksen/ Munian) and then go with what we've got.

I'd like to think Johnstone, Blackett, Keane, Cole, Lingard and Keane have some sort of future at the club.

I think we need Jose to shake up the backroom staff. Jose wouldn't tolerate the likes of Mike Phelan sat there on the bench all game looking gormless and ofering no input at all.

Also he could bring with him some very talented people from many of the other clubs he has worked at.

And definitely he has high standards, he wouldn't tolerate some of the rubbish we have seen over the last 2-3 years.

I think 5 years of Jose would do and then onto someone else.

Mort

06 Sep 2012 09:42:21
This is one of those 'think of a number and double it - well that's what Manchester City have bid' stories. AS in Spain, a Real Madrid friendly newspaper, say that Manchester City this summer bid 200m for Cristiano Ronaldo and were prepared to pay him 20m per season to entice him to the blue side of Manchester.

However, in the same article they say that Ronaldo 'will continue to yearn' for Manchester United, a club where he enjoyed his football career both on and off the pitch. He ultimately upped sticks and wasn't shy about wanting to leave Old Trafford, irritating some supporters with his constant talk of 'dreams' and saying that 'only God knows' his future when his agent Jorge Mendes had rather a better idea.

Mendes is the one who is said to have received the offer and he told Real Madrid boss Florentino Perez who rejected it.

The cynical amongst you may think that the figures mentioned are to highlight Ronaldo's value and get him an improved contract, you may even think his representatives could have encouraged a story like this. We couldn't possibly comment and Ronaldo's insistence that money has played no part in his unhappiness has to be taken at face value.

Manchester City probably wouldn't commit around 300m to a new transfer, they appear to be belt tightening to help them comply with FFP and this would throw any notion of that out of the window.

06 Sep 2012 09:21:58
Apparently ferguson has very recently been in New York where guardiola currently lives (apparently to improve his English).
Has there been anything recently to confirm Ferguson has been to New York, photos etc? Ed/anyone?
It's rumoured that it could be that Guardiola would come in this coming July. My thoughts are that ferguson will go a year before everybody thinks he will to deter the kind of performance's we got last time he gave a date. Personally for me it's him or mourinho.

Supasub

Supasub,

I found the two posts above this and yours interesting, I would be delighted with Guardiola as I believe his football Philosophy is excellent and is made for Manchester United, but just something I was thinking about before I read these posts, with the rumours about Ronaldo, do you or anyone else think SAF may once again postpone retirement if he believes he can entice Ronaldo back to United?

I read somewhere that whilst SAF is still in charge at United then Ronaldo would never sign for City.

Now all thses ''rumours'' may just be dribble but they may have some substance as well.

I actually believe there is a chance Ronaldo could return to United, I have found his comments interesting and he has made clear his passion/respect/love for United and SAF as he did about his dream to play for Real Madrid.

How we could get him would be the biggest barrier, whether it is a Nani/Rooney + cash offer, who knows but having the opportunity to have Ronaldo back could just light that fire in SAF's belly again and the Legend may continue for a bit longer?

Ideal situation for me, SAF to stay this season and next season, Ronaldo to sign next summer (Real Madrid will never sell in January as been suggested and don't believe Ronaldo would jump ship half way through a season any way!) and Guardiola to come in as SAF's assistant for 1 season before taking over!

Now everybody cross your fingers, legs arms and eyes!

Ports

Good post guys, ports if everything you just said became true i would be over the moon.

also when you said cross your eyes, i tried and failed. :(

-jakew

06 Sep 2012 08:21:11
According to the papers this morning, Ashley Cole is very unhappy at Chelsea regarding the contract he's been offered.

Question : Would you like him at Utd?

Personnally i'm not sure - he is a complete prat but one of the full backs in the world -i could maybe get over the fact he's a prat lol

Thoughts?

Giants14

I Am Kloot would not be happy if we signed Ashley Cole !

06 Sep 2012 07:13:57
Well said gan,
Do you maybe think that when Scholes goes that will be the death of that type of midfielder, bar maybe Xavi and Modric? (i agree none tick all boxes as Paul does)
The game has changed
Cban""""
dear mr cban
ngiak believes that the game has never changed
its the quality of the players you have and the quality of the manager
when you have 3 aces in your hand, you dont fight for a royal flush
make the best of who you have in your pack... and that the value of the manager/ coach
there seems to be a recent obsession by sir alex to play like barca
our players do not and simply... cannot
ngiak believes that we should play the way our club's ethos always preached
and combined with the quality and type of players we have...
we should subtly change our playing style to suit the current batch of players
thats where sir alex and the clueless guy next to him, mr foolen is a little lacking
ngiak thinks we have a great bunch of players
and put in the right places, we will rule for years
but just stop trying to be an ajax or barcelona
and concentrate more on being a manchester united.
we always flourished with a hard man in the centre and a playmaker
but sir alex seems to want a team like osvaldo ardiles
attack and score more than a leaky defence
but ngiak likes the speed of play
maybe cleverley doing the running around and anderson or even a rooney doing the passing may just work with kagawa, rvp, valencia and chicarito creating havoc?
gan

Gripes - the penguin talks sense again!

mike thinks you made some very good points and thanks you he does

Mike

06 Sep 2012 00:59:07
I know Managers will say they take one game at a time. Though Fergie has said, he knows when to play the likes of Rio, Giggs & Scholes.
So wedged in-between two difficult games of Liverpool away & Spurs at home we have a Capital One Cup game to show off some young talent.

GK Lindegaard I think will get the nod to keep him sharp incase he has to step in if DDG gets a red or injured.
RB Jones will be trying to get fit after missing pre-season.
RCB Smalling will be trying to get match fit.
LCB Evans will be the most experienced of the back 4.
LB Buttner will probably get his first outing.
RCM Fletcher also will get a come back game.
CM Carrick will Marshall the midfield & maybe replaced 2nd half.
LCM Anderson will probably need a game.
RF Nani will probably get the nod pushing to help the lone striker.
CF Chicharito will start.
LF Lingard will tuck inside and support Chicharito.

Powell for Carrick 60 mins
Petrucci for Smalling & put Fletcher RB 45mins
Henriquez for Lingard 70mins

M.Keane, W.Keane, King, Macheda, Cole, Pogba, Morrison, Fryers, Amos, Bebe have all had an appearance for United.

I've got a feeling Rd3 we will see these five players Buttner, Lingard, Powell, Petrucci & Henriquez.

I believe M.Keane, Thorpe, Brady, Tunnicliffe, Bebe & Macheda could be moved out to the Championship for a loan in days.