Manchester United Banter Archive September 06 2013

06 Sep 2013 22:12:38
Ok so I didn't post for more than a week. Reading it daily and laughing at some panic supporters. Fellaini is a good buy. He was good in a mediocre team and I expect him to be better with playing in a good squad. Our midfield cleverly especially may now play a bit with bravery and not side passing as there will be a steel in the centre. I sometimes don't agree with Sydney! opinions regarding Rooney but I am with him on this that we will have a good chance of winning the league.

Chelsea for me are in self destruction mode having not playing Mata is a big time mistake.

My predictions

1 Manchester United
2 Arsenal
3 City
4 Chelsea/ Spurs

IMHO you are completely deluded! Chavski are not in self destruct mode at all. Man City are extremely strong and the spuds currently have a much stronger squad than Man Utd. When ever a truly great manager leaves a club there is a vacuum. The club has to re-organise and pick itself back up. that's what has happened to you lot. You still tsart games with Giggs and that is outrageous for a club of your stature. Combine this with dithering David in the transfer window and the league will look more like this-

1 Chavski
2 City
3
4
5

the remaining european places are up for grabs between the spuds, LFC, ARSEnal, and you lot. Taggart was worth 15 points a season for you lot just walking into the dressing room. Those missed points will be telling at the end of the season

Arsenal 2nd? No chnace

I'm going to say-

1- Manchester United
2- Clelsea
3 -Arsenal
4 -City/Spurs.

Top spot will be between us city and Chelsea but arsenal scouse and spurs are all improving .
Think it will be a better league this year

I did this the other day.

1) Manchester United
2) Chelsea
3) Manchester City
4) Arsenal
5) Spurs
6) Liverpool/Everton
7) Everton/Liverpool

I think we have the squad and 'know how' to win the league. Although we do not have the first XI to win the UCL this season. Chelsea will have the clown in charge and he will stamp belief into the players. Arsenal will always finish strongly and I think Spurs will need a season to gel. I am not too fussed about this season. This is a big time for our transition and if we finished 2nd or 3rd it wouldn't be the end of the world. However I do expect us to win the league, but we will need players like Rooney and Nani to find their old form again. I think we are missing Rafael too.

You've a very biased point of view don't you syd?

I'd completely agree wiv Sydney, but only swap Everton for Swansea.

Southampton could surprise a few as well

Kiwi, come back at the end of the season and you can apologise to me. You will have had a good season if you finish 6th. But do not expect BR to keep his job.

Syd
Do you really think Rogers will get the sack

Your all deluded! United Champions? Not a hope in hell
Top 6 will be:

1. Manchester City
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool
4. Arsenal/Tottenham
5. Tottenham/Arsenal
6. Swansea/Manchester United

Write Liverpool off all you like, but they will be in the mix next May

David Moyes won't improve you, and nor will the poor signing (Panic buy) he made on deadline day

I will be back in May to gloat. Remember the name RD and remember my prediction!

Oh I am definitely going to remember the name RD.

A post that starts with 'your all deluded' and then posts the most deluded post I've ever seen on here is fantastic, thanks for giving me a laugh RD.

Jred, yes, if they finish 6th or 7th like I expect Liverpool will do, I think they will sack him.

RD, you will be in the mix with Everton & Swansea for sixth spot. We will be at least 25 points clear of you.

RD

You need to watch some football and at least have some basic understanding of what makes a top 4 team.

There is 1 or 2 players from your current set up that would get into the squads of arsenal, chelsea, city, united, spurs. Unfortunately one likes to bite and not sure how good that is for team moral and the other one is too old and too much of a scourer :)

You will be better this year but 6th it is at best . Remember what br says it is a project with completion date unknown LOL

BTW you will take 1 point from your next 2 games and that might bring you boys back to reality.

06 Sep 2013 21:32:24
Any update on when fletch might be back?

The physio room website is still showing 'no return date' for him so I'm guessing not any time soon.

06 Sep 2013 20:02:05
Cesc Fàbregas: "I wouldn't have gone to Manchester United for double or even triple the amount of money that I earn now."

It's easy to say that now, appeases the Barca faithful. But I can't believe that he wasn't interested at all with all the interest we showed.

He doesn't feature in Barca's first 11 when the big games come, and we'll see if he gets in the starting 11 for Spain at the World Cup next year.

I'm not bitter, I think he's absolutely class, and I would play him now. Maybe drop Xavi into Biscuit's role? I'd certainly play him as an inverted winger rather than sit him on the bench!

Wonder what might of been if we'd bid £40+ million plus some add ons over time?

Easy for him to say that now. If that's how he feels fair enough, but why didn't he come out and say that after our first bid. I admire players who are loyal to their clubs, but you have to question their sincerity when they do their talking after the event. At least he has tried to show his loyalty though. Are you listening Mr Rooney?

Fabregas was never ever ever ever going to sign for united, he dislikes moyes after moyes tried to shaft him with the F.A. also unlike rvp fabregas does love arsenal and wouldn't play in the EPL unless it was with arsenal, some Man United fans may find it imposible to comprehend a player doesn't want to come to you, but hey-ho there you go

The word

You keep telling yourself whatever it is that helps you sleep better at night mate.

I posted a long time ago that fabregas wouldn't come and was stringing us along as he hates us, I said at the time did anyone remember him throwing pizza at the greatest manager that ever lived! He wanted to mess up our transfer plans for this window and thank to a mixture of niaevity and incompetence from deadwood, he got his wish.

Tookers, many players use MU's name to get a better contract with their club, but I think Cesc wanted playing assurances from Barcelona in a World Cup year. He used MU as a way of getting assurances. His agent knew we were interested in strengthening that position so we were the perfect club to use for his benefit. SAF and Gill would have figured this out much quicker than Moyes and Ed did. I guess when you have an agent saying his client wants to join, so make bids for him, Moyes must have thought Christmas has come early. 002 did give us hints like "why would Cesc want to leave Barcelona?" If 002 knew what was going on then surely our CEO should have figured it out earlier?

Syd
I think a lot of people on this site worked it out pretty early

Those comments are being taken completely out of context. He is merely showing his huge allegiance to Barca. He at no point shows evidence of 'hate'

06 Sep 2013 19:31:58
It's Friday, it's been tough week, I need a good laugh. Where's USE LOGIC when you need him?

06 Sep 2013 12:38:07
Hi Eds. this is post directed at you guys, but if you want to put it on the page, brilliant.

A suggestion for the site. now that everybody has to have a username to post on here, have you guys ever thought about maybe being able to make a Bio for ourselves? So when people would click on people's names, as well as their recent posts etc, they could also see some more information about the person? Perhaps. age, where they're from, favorite player, best Manchester United moment etc. I think it could really help the banter if we all knew a bit more about everyone, and would probably encourage more people to register as it could maybe make the site feel more like network of supporters rather than just a discussion site.

Anyway. just a thought! Not to say the site isn't great now of course, but maybe something that could make it better!

{Ed033's Note - Something to this effect where people can volunteer info on a proflle page if they want to is coming to this site

Andy this is not just a site, its a family.

Kloot's the crazy uncle.

If he's the crazy uncle can we lock him in the cellar?

Any sort of time frame set to this idea ed or just one in the pipeline?

{Ed033's Note - hopefully within 1 month

06 Sep 2013 12:04:39
Hi guys
Just want to praise the job moyes has done so far.
Listen where not completely happy how the transfer window went, but i'm very happy with the signing off fellaini, this postion has been a problem since roy keane left, and so what if we have paid over the odds. If we had not of signed him we all would be moaning saying to pay what it takes!
I believe moyes is making us play better aswel. We dominated chelsea and liverpool at anfield! Giggs has been trusted for the big games but I would expect kagawa to play more! let's get behind moyes and support him all the way!. come on moyesies boys!

Stop posting sense man, we're having a crisis and panicking. Get with the programme

I don't get why loads of fans are panicking. Where a solid team now. And the lift fellani will give us will be huge. Also nani getting another deal is great news. Whatever people say he is our best winger and the confidence he will get will be a big boost

Because everyone else signed players we wanted and our team is really poor and Fellaini is ok but won't make much of a difference and Cleverley only passes sideways and Welbeck isn't good enough and Nani is inconsistent and Rooney is overweight and Moyes is rubbish and aloud ward is an alien and Valencia is dreadful and Anderson is morbidly obese and and and

You get the general picture

U forgot Evra can defend AJH

Aloud ward was meant to be Woodward

06 Sep 2013 11:49:00
Just thought I would add my view to the Nani debate.for what its worth!
I too think we could see a rejuvenated Nani this season. Moyes clearly rates him, and has shown this by the new contract. Having his managers trust and faith will give the player a confidence boost on its own. I also think that if we go with the 4-2-3-1 (or similar) formation will also Nani flourish. He has been mainly played as an orthodox right winger under SAF, a position that also carries important defensive responsibilities. which is obviously not his strong point. For this reason, SAF often preferred Valencia over Nani (no jokes please!) due to his tracking back more and giving more cover to the full back.
If we do go with the above formation, out attacking "3" will do their defending higher up the pitch, a bit like Xavi, Iniesta etc at Barcelona involving more closing down and pressing the opposition, rather than just tracking back and getting "stuck in", so to speak.
Nani has loads of ability, he just doesn't show it often enough. If he can get a good run in the team and find some form, I really think he could be a very good player for us. He is certainly capable of it, as many of his performances for Portugal have shown. I know he can be the most frustrating of players, as I have been known to shout the add expletive at him myself!
Lets hope he can find some form, and consistency soon, and we could see the player he has the talent to be. We had a disappointing transfer window, but if Nani along with Rooney and Kagawa can get playing regularly and keep fit, it would almost be like 3 new signing compared to last season.
. or am I being too optimistic?

Great name swollocks! totally agree - with a fully fit front four of Rooney, RVP, Nani and Kagawa we would be pretty tough to beat plus with Carrick/Jones and Fellaini sitting behind and us playing a higher tempo pressing game things would look a lot brighter than the last few years!

06 Sep 2013 10:36:42
5 days onwards and time to move on I guess.

I wanted to just mention that I was one of first and few people who came out an supported Moyes appointment over the likes of Mourinho and have not changed my mind. I also think Fellaini is good signing and have been consistent in backing that decision from the start when news came out that we are interested in him.

I am disappointed with the Clubs hierarchy and believe we have been led down the garden path and will take everything coming from these guys with a pinch of salt. It is a shame because this team was 2 key signings away from genuinely competing for cl glory and that would have been some start to the a new managers reign. Having said that we will be very difficult to play against and no pushover for anyone.

I guess we now focus on winning football games until the silly season in december/January. I do believe we need a minimum of 7 points from our next 3 games, which includes a CL fixture.

So let's get behind the guys and hope Rooney is back as soon as possible and guys like nani, kagawa have career years. All in all a good team which will compete and it will need certain players performing at a higher level compared to last year.

I am bored and hate international breaks and can't wait for next weekend. Hope all our guys come back without injuries and looks like we have a full healthy squad to choose from.

To be fair Woodward came out and said we didn't need any major retooling and we didn't get any. As much as we feel we need major retooling and other people saying the club lied to us, one thing we can't really say is that Woodward lied to try and sell season tickets, he did try and warn us.

GDS2

Don't make excuses for the muppet. He leaves on urgent transfer business 6 weeks ago to do a 11.59 deal on deadline day for a player who he could have had all summer.

Call it what you want they just got it all wrong. The manager said we are looking to sign world class and no limitations with money.

Anyway let's just drop this as I will never agree with anyone defending him especially.


It is one of 2 things:

1.He fed us bs
2.He is completely useless as CEO and got it all wrong.


Big difference between getting money for high leveraged buyout and signing obscure sponsorship deals to buying players and understanding the details of that side of the business. On the job training is not something you could afford a CEO.

Fellaini is a better player than a lot give him credit for, I made this point a few months back and got a bit of stick it seems a few have changed there mind (sharham not you by the way)
My only issue with fellaini and moyes is that I don't think a dm in the style of fellaini we form a good partnership with Carrick.
I think a Carrick fellaini cm is a bit negative I think our main issue is how we convert possession in to attack and the speed at which we move the ball from back to front.
Im not sure fellaini improved this it also makes us quite slow in the middle.
With moyes my concern has always been that he plays a defensive style of football which served him well at Everton but I'm not sure at United.
I think United while successful haven't played attractive football for a while and at the moment I don't see fellaini and moyes changing that.
Imo I would like to see a creative player next to Carrick or fellaini for that matter.

One more thing fellaini and Carrick in a 2 as part of a 4_2_3_1 would be better but still a bit slow how ever it looks like moyes is more likely to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 I think wingers may be prominent and Rooney will play more as a striker near rvp this year

Fellaini offers something in both boxes both defensively and offensively. But what worries me is the bits in between. He is cumbersome at times, his distribution isn't great. He is slow and clumsy on the ball most of the time. He will need to improve and get sharper.

No doubt he will start next to Carrick, but if we need a goal he will move further up. I wonder if Nani being given a chance by Moyes means he will play left? Moyes wanted Coentrao and will probably look at him again in January, could we see a future Portuguese left side?

Jred you are spot on. I think we have lacked pace in the team for a few years and don't play at the high speed that most of us are used and loved. It all is due to lack of pace in what many call it our spine starting with cb and midfielders.

Whilst we have decent pace down the wings, the support is usually 20 yards behind and not many options in the box. Having said that and given our players and set up, Fellaini is a good buy and suits the system he wants to play which is a much slower buildup and more possession.

Shahram,

I have a feeling my sarcasm may have been lost on you, so yes maybe best we drop it.

My Bad GDS2. Sometimes fingers and brains not on the sam wavelength:)

06 Sep 2013 08:16:51
Sydney are you mad? if SAF couldn't get anything out of Nani, what do you think Moyes is going to get? Not to mention how many teams really wanted to buy him from us?

Bottles selling Rooney, gives Nani who can't play two good games back to back a new contract, starts Giggs.
What really must be going through Kagawas and Chicos head I could only wonder!

It's been a comedy and an embarrassment the past 2 months as a United fan.
I'm just waiting for him to temp P. Neville back into playing

Melwing28"""
dear mr melwing28
ngiak guesses the number on your name is your age, not the number of years of support
and ngiak also thinks that Sydney is not the "mad" one
a few players have already come out to praise moyes about his professionalism and his training methods
ALL the players look fitter and seem to have adopted a system of play that has tightened up the back
sir alex failed at that on numerous occasions
he has finally managed to plug a gap that has existed since the roy keane era that sir alex has failed to address for so many years
he is looking for a creative midfielder and a left back to fill our most deficient areas in the team
which sir alex has failed to even notice
he has managed to keep rooney and persuade him to work for the team
while sir alex has been constantly trying to ostracise him = arguably the club's icon and greatest talent in the squad
and resurrect nani, possibly - something that sir alex gave up on long ago
chicarito will play, kagawa will get a greater role
and ngiak suspects the comedy and the greatest embarrassment
are not the transfer window debacle by a very raw and new company of people,
but the long standing so-called fans who are showing their impatience and "glory hunting" nature
that's very sad as ngiak believes these guys need a chance to settle down and stamp their class and authority which may take a couple of years
its the fans that has to support and encourage
just imagine you just started work in a big corporation and you get scolded and ridiculed from day one
think mr "fan"
gan

Well said Ngiak, couldn't agree more

The penguin has spoken! Nice

I personally agree that Nani can be a game changer this season

I m not entering the debate here but nani is right now our best winger. now he is back to his full fitness and physical shape. most creative of all in what we have. not afraid to take on his man.
but I have notice he is best suited to right side.
SAF always wanted to give cover to rafael so he opt for valencia who has defending ability. thus getting selected over nani.
forcefully trying to set him on left was not working, SAF or his staff has never marked that his best performances are coming from the right side.
now I guess nani will get more chances on right side with matured rafael. and will show what he can do from there.

Just want to say I've been thinking the same thing. Nani's best season in a United shirt was when he played on the right. He was banging in goals and assist in all season long. Then Nani had to move to the left because Valencia can only kick a ball with his right foot. Like Valencia a lot but also think that we have to consider playing on the left is not the same as from the right seeing Nani's best position is on the right.

06 Sep 2013 17:57:07
Gan/Ngiak,

It pains me to say this, as you normally speak sense, nevertheless. Can you please explain to me why it is "glory hunting" to be concerned by the lack of professionalism and ambition demonstrated in the transfer market this summer? Granted, I am past the point of caring about the summer's shortcomings now, but to label anybody who expresses a justifiable criticism a glory person is a one hell of a generalisation, built on the foundation of false assumption.

On the subject of "support and encourage" weren't you guilty of expressing your criticism at Giggs' continued preference in the starting lineup only several weeks ago?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Rumps

Penguins can be so fickle, they chnage their minds all the time

06 Sep 2013 07:57:32
was talking to someone yesterday that works for nottingham forest youth development told me we been sniffing round 16 year old from them and one from everton anyone no anything about this? ed?

05 Sep 2013 23:55:04
Guys, Liverpool fan here in peace - just wanted to say I can't believe how many are writing you lot off! Still the same team that pretty much walked the league last year, and I honestly think Fellaini will be an absolute beast in midfield for yous.

Think Jones will turn out to be immense as well, lot of debate about his best position, I personally think he'd make a great midfielder in the Bryan Robson type role for yous, saw him for England a while back in that role and he was fantastic - the one for me to watch this year though has got to be Kagawa, think the guy has so much potential.

I see some Liverpool fans building up the first 3 games and whilst its nice to have made a good start there are still 35 left! Whilst I obv hate your club lol, I love the banter between us - long may it continue!

Good luck for the rest of the season guys

Don`t get me wrong, I love putting one over on the scoucers

Sorry about that, miss clicked but I do like people who come on this site and talk sense. Fellaini will be a great signing whilst he can go forward on set pieces his main role will be to partner Carrick in a defensive

Right you`ve probably gathered I`M PI$$ED so no more posts just saying we will see a better Rooney now there is no need for the guy to track back and defend. The front four will destroy most teams in the Premiership and IMO we will do well in Europe too. Just saying.
Shoot me down if it doesn`t happen, I`m thick skinned

Ngiak has seen most things you have said "did not happen"
gan

Anniewithoutmakeup I think you've been p£ssed all summer with your so called nailed on transfers.

Maybe you meant marouanne annie and not marque :)

05 Sep 2013 23:07:26
In a bedroom somewhere in England Percy has just 'finished' for the 10th time today.

I'm surprised he isn't back on here today I must admit, hope he's ok!

He will be back soon just had summit to sign.

He is seeking medical attention for his massive right arm as over use in these last few weeks leading up to Nani's contract being signed has resulted in elephantitus of his arm as well as his other appendage.

Guys, I'm getting mental images I didn't need. Leave it out please