Manchester United Banter Archive August 07 2012

07 Aug 2012 23:53:42
Makes me laugh reading City fans posting on Uniteds page- I wouldn't even think of posting or even reading your page.

I will admit City are class on the pitch right now but you're real trash off it....

Knowing your luck oil will run out - ha!

You lose with better grace than you win stuff - but you are used to losing aren't you.......

Pedroknight

How are they class?

They won the title on goal difference with a team that suppost to be sooooo amazing.

the spent hundreds of million to snatch it on goal difference I wouldn't say that's class

WYTHENSHAWE RED

07 Aug 2012 23:30:15
Anyone think it would be worth while putting in a bid for Joe Allen? He was impressive at the olympics and for Swansea this year. Being still relatively young he could learn a lot from Scholes and become a class act.

We don't need average mate, Powell is better and he's how old?

WYTHENSHAWE RED

07 Aug 2012 23:13:30
If Lucas Moura thinks Manchester is boring then he's better off in Paris! But I think the PSG clincher was the fact Leonardo and Sao Paolo have previous.

The RVP deal is dead in the water due to Arsenal having a bit of activity in the transfer market, the thought of an RVP/Podolski partnership is quite scary to be honest!

Sir Alex better start looking at his plan C's and fast otherwise there's gonna be a lot of disappointed UTD fans, me included, we need a bit more than Nick Powell and Kagawa to win the league with the rate the others are buying!

Eriksen, Dembele and Cissoko for me all the way!

Totally agree. And if fergie thinks our midfield is good then we might as well give up this season completely. We need modric and Martinez to even stand a chance of competing wth real barca Chelsea and citeh.

07 Aug 2012 23:04:51
i think people are jumping the gun regards fletcher. I seriously doubt he will ever play again. Its a shame and i really like the guy but his health is more important. I was reading a blog post by a united fan who's also a doctor and its a really serious condition. He's lost a lot of weight and muscle which will be hard to put back on and his game was geared towards his physical attributes. He hasn't played for two years practically and thats a lot of football he's missed. I'm just saying it will be very hard for him to come back. If anyone can it will be Fletch but some people on here i think are holding out on him coming back as good as he was when its unlikely.

07 Aug 2012 22:50:35
PSG have just saved us £30m. Every single transfer window we get a new messi on the horizon. Have a look at this kid on YouTube. He never finds anyone with his final ball and he has one trick a drag back. You'll always see teams after these amazing attacking 19 yr olds. You never see any of the teams looking to buy the defenders they go by,reason been there crap. These players play in a crap league and I haven't seen any of them make it. Also how long to you really think he'd have stayed with us 2/3 seasons. Then it would be "my heart is with Madrid " blah blah. Also I've read that his own fans have been given him a hard time recently. I think this was a make money quick by glazers. Buy him for £25/30m then sell him for £50/60m. I'd love to see us spend that money on yohan cabaye.

So did u watch ronaldo in the first two seasons at united? He was full of tricks and never found a team mate. But fergie sorted this out. Moura is sensational and we'll badly regret not getting him.

07 Aug 2012 22:31:30
Couple of questions -
If Lucas Moura was so good, how come he is not a starter in the Brazilian Olympic side?
Who is putting these videos together publicising him on the internet? You have to be quite the fan to spend that amount of time putting them together, unless of course you have a financial interest in him to make it worth your while.
He is very small, do people think he would be that good in the Premiership when players in the EPL are generally getting bigger and more physical. Personally I don't think he would adapt very well and with the costs involved I wouldn't take the risk. Nor with Van Persie.

I am sick of this 'he can't even get in the Brazil team'. He is 19 years old for God sake. He is a brilliant talent and WILL be one of the best players in the world. That is why he costs 30m.

G.A.G.U.S

Considering Hulk was supposedly off to Chel$ea for 38million pounds and Neymar being the best young player in the world how would you expect a 19 year old to start ahead of these two.
#JMPW

Not so long ago Ribery was being touted around for £70m but he was never sold, its all transfer gossip, if he was as good as the rumours would have us believe Moura would have forced his way in.

07 Aug 2012 21:55:08
Eh, in my last post, i was actualy debating with the original poster who said lucas wont get a place in psg starting lineup, as they have zlatan, lavezzi, pastore. i know neither of them play in moura's favoured position. i am sorry the comment was misunderstood by many of you.

silv3rzz ; )

07 Aug 2012 21:18:41
isco who we are being linked with is one of the best of young Spanish talent and we could get him for 10m-15m is similar to lucas but with isco is can make that important pass instead of shooting like lucas would do not as fast as lucas but still quick

07 Aug 2012 17:39:41
Guys moving away from Lucas bloody Moura, what are your thoughts on Isco? Seems to be a cheaper without compromising quality. Is our interest real or is this the media moving on now that the Moura stories are getting dull? Eds if you have any patience left at all would love to know your thoughts!

Stuey {Ed007's Note - I've not seen enough of him to have an opinion on him, sorry.}

Left wing along with young and Nani in a 2 -7 -1

Pardoe

07 Aug 2012 20:51:59
I wonder sometimes what this site would be like if the club was still a plc and Martin Edwards was still Chairman. It seems to me that it would be about the same - only the names would have changed.
When was this golden pre Glazer era of unlimited transfer funds and every transfer target agreeing to join us?
I seem to remember huge dissent regarding dividends to shareholders, Edwards grip on the purse strings, no value in the market, players opting for sunnier climes/bigger wages etc etc
I'm no fan of the Glazers, I was no fan of Edwards but I do trust Sir Alex to try to try to recruit the best players for our team and develop the youth talent we have. He's not done badly for us despite any constraints placed on him over the years.
Have a little faith guys and don't be sucked in by paper talk of overpriced and underproven teenage whizzkids we've only seen on youtube.
Mr Q

The main issue with the plc was wages the transfer fees were never that much of a problem, once kean had dug his heels in and broke the pay structure we were quite competitive in the transfer market.
jred

Mr Q

The problem is that pre Glazer , plc or not we broke transfer records and bought some top players. The criticism of the plc was that they didn't go a step further and buy the very top world players when certainly we might have taken a step to be a real player in Europe. Since the Glazers arrived we have looked for value in the market, they got their fingers burnt with Berbatov and have looked to add players with potentially increasing value.

During ths time, despite the absolutely obvious signs of decline in the last two years we have failed to buy for key positions. We relied on bringing a 37 year old out of retirement and selling it as a great player who should never have left.
The protestations by SAF about how good the Glazers are seems too keen to show his support at a time when they have not shown the ambition needed to make us truly successful.

There have been many links with players and this summer we need to make a couple of serious transfers happen or be left behind. Chelsea are moving, Arsenal are buying and City will undoubtedly buy. Where we are right now will leave us lacking attacking pace and scoring ability and control in midfield

It is time these owners invested heavily in their business

Red Man

Excellent post. The ownership is irrelevent. Like it or not the club is run as a business and the owners want to make money from it be it as a PLC or a private compnay. Fans should just appreciate that Utd do play attractive football and we are always there or thereabouts each year. All this spend big to compete with the sugar daddy clubs stuff is pure nonsense.

Hallaluha we have some common sense(which is the biggest oxy person i can think of).

Shappy

Seriously eds mate, you can't say oxy moran? Thats a term not an insult. I hope that its something that happens automatically with certian words and not that one of you have taken the time to edit that. Lol.

Shappy

Red Man

Cannot disagree with a word you say but to read other posts on here you could almost believe there was a time when we had unlimited funds, year round sunshine and a beach on the Irwell.
Can imagine the posts from yesteryear about Zidane, Batistuta, Ronaldo, Maldini et al spotted at The Cliff and nailed on certs to sign.
Mr Q

Shappy mate, the word is oxymoron with no space, so the fact you put a space probably means some automated system cut the the word out. Gilly

07 Aug 2012 20:33:35
you have got to love caughtoffs***e..

so we are ready to meet Moutinho's £25m asking price, and Arsenal are going to bid £12m for Javi Garcia.... lol

seriously..... he has recently signed a new contract and if ed02 is right s***y would be interested if he were available... so I am thinking 25 + easy......

07 Aug 2012 20:30:26
I hope one of these days, Fergie just says 'YOLO' and pays up for Moura.

G.A.G.U.S

If Moura is that good why isn't he a regular in this young talented Brazil team?

I agree he's a talent, but is he worth £30 + million.....doubt it. If he comes and doesn't make the grade.....Fergie will be torn apart by press and certain fans on these sites. Fergie should stand by he's guns and not be blackmailed into paying well over the odds for Moura. There are better players more suited to Man United's play out there for less money, don't you agree GAGUS?

I was joking you miserable grumps....

G.A.G.U.S

07 Aug 2012 19:24:27
Big rant.... But all comments welcome,,,
It looks like we have missed out on another name today in Mora,, this is money motivated,, can't see why else he would want to waste his talents in France,, am sure he will regret not playing for the biggest club in the world, I would of loved to see Mora in red but is he realy needed??? Ferguson must think we have a problem on the wing,,, we have been linked with hazzard,Rodriguez,gaitan,isco, I'm a fan of nani and wouldn't want see him go,, we alllll no we need that midfield enforcer,, I no we all go on how we lost the title on goals but we never played like champions at all last season, we are desperate for that quality in are team,, we have to replace scholes and giggs...

De gea.

Rafeal. Jones. Vidic. Evra.


Valencia. Kagawa. Moutinho. Nani


Rooney. V persie

I don't think we need a midfield enforcer, I think those players are a thing of the past. I reckon so does Fergie. I think we'll see a change in formation, something that he wanted to do last season but didn't have the right players; not because of quality but because of who they are and where they play. We looked old fashioned last season, not 'bad' as some have suggested. 4-4-2 is dead, and so is the dogs body in the middle of the park.

07 Aug 2012 19:19:36
Really hope the transfer window doesn't shut and we end up in the same situation we were in last year... I for one was gutted after all the hype and the names touted around...

1993

Last year we signed young, jones and de gea at a cost of over 50m. I think you may be a bit hard to please my friend

But we were also linked with Snidjer (spelling) Modric and Nasri...

1993

07 Aug 2012 19:01:09
Does anyone else think Lewandowski could be on hold pending RVP's decision? If RVP doesn't happen I really see us bagging the Pole.

Sydney!
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I would much prefer Lewandowski to Van Persie.

G.A.G.U.S

Would prefer Lewandowski too, but I just can't see Dortmund letting both him and Kagawa leave in one window.

RedDevil19

07 Aug 2012 18:34:43
Is it me or does Moura just look good on Internet videos.. In the Olympics he seems average ..think Nani is better equipped.PSG might be doing us a favour and sparing us another Kleberson!

Roll on RVP !

I hope you are not bringing this one up because we are about to miss out on him.

Of course Nani is 'better equiped' he's 6 years older.

Red Joe

07 Aug 2012 18:02:18
Sir Alex NEVER reveals his transfer targets, yet he publically announced he was in for RVP and Moura. Smokescreen tactics?

Red Spark

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sir Alex was put on the spot when Arsenal came out and said that both us and City had put in a bid or at least shown some interest.Everyone knows that Sir Alex is a fan of the Dutchman.
Mitch.

07 Aug 2012 17:51:33
Most people think that we will sign both Lucas Moura and Van Persie.

But if you remember what Sir Alex said he said we will sign 1 maybe 2 players and he said we will sign a Left Back so thats 1 spot taken.

The other imo is Lucas Moura or Van Persie not both.
I'd prefer Lucas Moura but thats me tell me which 1 you would prefer?
AndyH

Can I just say... He never once stated he was signing a left back

fearny

Didn't he pretty much say...I heart Evra forever and I don't care if the fans think he's gash because he's about the only player in the world who can consistently play 50 games a season? I've paraphrased slightly...

07 Aug 2012 17:18:48
i dont want to sound like a liverpool fan should we go trophyless 4 another season ..(making noise over past achievements) fergie should act .its quite fustrating sometimes if you always tune into radio/tv and all you hear is other teams signing on players while Man United is now targeting some1... i hope we are not been taken 4 granted as united fans.i dont even know what to believe about a united rumour anymore,its always goes like is a target,almost done,being linked to,has been seen near ot... i know all what most of us want to hear is a player has put pen to paper. i wonder even if my voice is been heard by some united official to carry this one to OT for me( still a united fan though)

07 Aug 2012 16:28:10
Guys, this RVP signing makes no sense whatsoever. The way i see it, we are going for one of a possible two formations, either
4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1
The purchasing of kagawa and the pre season games are evidence of this. its then safe to assume rooney will be the 1 up front with kagawa pulling the strings behind him, with welbeck and chicha as backup for kagawa and rooney respectively. Giggs will also provide backup for kagawa. So where exactly does everybody see RVP fitting in?
Lets also not forget that berba is struggling to find a new club and there is no news of a move away for macheda either. The glazers will NOT sanction a move for RVP whilst we already have 4 strikers on the books it makes no business sense at all.
Now i could be wrong but reading between the lines it looks like a highly unlikely transfer.

However moving onto a possible indicator of a transfer, we all know arsenal arent the biggest spenders. Yet as of today they have now signed podolski, giroud, and cazorla. A considerable outlay by arsenals standards. Is it possible that M'Vila is now a much bigger possibility, if we were ever in for him at all that is.

Sahin is a no go for me, if the kid cant depose xabi alonso and or sami khedira then he mustnt be good enough, and if mourinho is willing to sell after 1 season he must think the same. Fergie will know this as well.

Speaking of real madrid the modric saga is an interesting one, we all know when real really want a player they inevitably get them, if a team plays hardball they go public and are very loud about the whole thing and then they stump up the cash, so why is modric not there yet? Is the plan to unsettle him then pull out of a deal and then leave a clear path for united to make a deadline day bid? perhaps in exchange for a smooth deal for nani in return? real do need a winger. Strange how we havent heard anything more about his contract negotiations, and the pursuit of lucas moura always smelled like a nani replacement.

Perhaps a bit of conspiracy theory, but stranger things have happened

What are your thoughts reds?

Sahin has been injured most of the season and before he moved to real and you watched him is very talented and the reason bvb won the league when he was there and was the player of the year than year as well
on the lucas thing i would be happy if he join but if he dosent not really upset about as we can put the lucas money towards a cm like sahin or m vila and a lb and a do thing we will sign RVP as well
so RVP 20M
sahin or m vila 15m-18m
lb 8-10m
powell 4m
kagawa 13m
thats 65m plus some players leaving around 55m-58m that would be amazing

Yeah the RVP rumors were always strange ones, for it to work either Rooney would have to play deeper (where does that leave Kagawa?), Berbatov and another striker are sold and it's a classic 4-4-2, but again...where does that leave Kagawa? He'd be wasted as a CM or winger. It's a strange one, if he did come (which I hope he doesn't, said that from the start) I would be interested to see how Rooney could handle CM, I don't know if it would work but it is a possibility...Rooney feeding Kagawa feeding RVP would be interesting.

M'Vila I can't see coming, from what I've read on this site and others he has a major attitude problem. Not something we need. Also, I'm not sold on his skill. He's too defensive for the way we play. If we need a DM, we have Jones.

Disagree with the Sahin point, i'd love him at United! He was fantastic at Dortmund and would of challenged for a place at Madrid had he not suffered a minor injury (which he has now fully recovered from). In that time Ozil came in and Khedira hit good form, just unfortunate timing. He'd do well with United and could link very well with Kagawa. There aren't many players who could depose Alonso in the world, so don't use that as a reason not to pursue him. Mourinho wanting to sell him is, IMO, more to do with the fact that he recognizes a talent is being wasted. And in true Mourinho fashion will confront it head on...give him to someone else so he can the game time he deserves.

Your point about Modric is, without meaning to sound rude, downright stupid. That doesn't happen in football...period. Why would Mourinho bother? Madrid has good relations with United so going to those lengths to get Nani would be pointless. If they want him, they'll make a bid...simple. It's then up to SAF and the managing team to negotiate. A much more likely replacement for Nani, if he were to go, would be Gaston Ramirez or Iker Munian (who I think we inquired about in January). Isko is now also on the scene and would be just as good and capable of playing anywhere across the front. A good deal could be done for him given Malaga's current financial woes.

Andy

I think it is somewhat far fetched to be honest OP. RVP would fit in a 4-3-3 with Kagawa being the most advanced of the midfield 3.

RedDevil19

RD19 - that would work but where does that leave Valencia, Young, Nani?

I can't see the manager playing without 2 of these wide men which is why I also find it hard to see where RVP will fit in

I know it's a squad game but player's like Rooney and RVP command a regular place in the starting XI

All that said, I'd be happy if we do get him! I trust the manager at the end of the day so it would be interesting to see how he would fit them together

Gav

RVP
Kagawa Rooney Valencia
Scholes/Clev Anderson/Carrick

I just assumed this would be it,
(since the early summer when Lewandowski was being banded about). This is the modern games formation right? And this gives Rooney Messi's role. Kagawa and Valencia bombing into forward positions, and them all interchanging etc. Good subs in young and nani, and enough midfielders (include Fletch, Jones and Powell in that as well). Voila, fast free flowing football.

07 Aug 2012 15:55:41
I source that I trust has told me the over the weekend the first few things hes piped up about since he told me about Scholes coming back three days before it was announced the cup derby.

1.Moura to PSG

2.Fletcher back in training and feeling good.

3.Van Persie will join United as long as Wenger can save face and get a fair deal (expected to be completed within the next fortnight)

Hes not one to usually speak unless he feels its on the money

Is your source Slyspurts?

Because I could swear that those three stories were up on the skysports website in the last 24 hours.

Danny Pughnited

If your 'source' told you over the weekend about all this, why didn't you post it on here then, me thinks your source is probably this site and the daily papers

He told you over weekend that moura's going to psg why would a delegation go to brazil.

Well 2 of those look nailed on (accepting I dont know whether Fletch feels great or not!).

I know there are many doubters but I would love to see Van Persie in a United shirt. And more importantly I think our glorious leader would too.

Halesini

07 Aug 2012 15:38:21
Red Joe



If this talent is so good where are they and why haven't they broken through like the era of Beckham, Scholes, giggs, Butt and the Nevilles. 
It doesn't matter how young they are if they are good enough then they would be in the side.
The fact is we need to strengthen and if you think that we don't then you didn't pay attention last season.


For the majority of last season we were average at best and in Europe we were dog sh*t. We simply didn't have the players with the technique to hold onto the ball in the middle of the park, it was terrible!
People have been waffling on about all this talent coming through for the past two / three years but i still haven't seen any of them break through and the ones who were on the verge of getting the odd game here and there left and found other clubs.


We are relying on 39 and 40 year old veterans Giggs and Scholes. A lazy Brazilian who is never fit and doesn't play more than 10 games a season. A hyped up Tom Cleverley who hasn't proved anything yet and Micheal Carrick who has been steady but never sets the world on fire and Fletcher who may never come back.
Compare that to Chelsea's midfield, City's Midfield and even Arsenal's midfield this season and we look weak.
It's only Fergie being a genius and knocking a winning mentality into these players that they got anywhere near City last season. Any other manager would have failed.

Simmo
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Simmo

I'm not thinking for next season but the season after we will have, Lingard, Powell and Tunners coming through and I think they wlll be absolute quality (especially the first two). We do need a left back because I don't think Blackett is or ever will be good enough and we do still need an out and out flair player.

My point was that people just seam to think it's the end of the world whenever we miss out on a target! I agree we still need to strengthen but the point is we will do but in inteligent transfers like Kagawa and Powell.

Finally don't accuse me of not paying attention I am fully aware we need to improve in europe, and was as dissapointed and shocked with our lack of technique and possesion last year, but this was the first time in years we didn't progress and do well. It was a blip that SAF i'm sure has a plan to resolve.

Red Joe

Red Joe

Lets see if you are correct...you reckon this time next year Lingard, Powell and Tunners will be in the first team?
I don't think they will and even if they are promoted to the first team they won't play a big part.
If they are that good they would be playing now simple!
You say Kagawa was an inteligent transfer, yes he was but he was bought because he was available at the wrong end of 20 million and it fitted our spend.


Simmo

Simmo, you'd really through a load of 16-17-18 year olds into the most physical of the top European leagues?

They have not played for the first team simply because they are not physically ready for it, nothing to do with talent. They are still physically developing.

I'm guessing you'll come back with well Rooney did it but thats because Rooney was a physical freak at 16.

I'll list a few others who played in the league at the age of 17-18 and you can tell me if it was a good idea:

Michael Owen, Jack Rodwell, James Vaughan, Jack wilshire, Cesc Fabregas. All have had massive and persistant injury problems due to playing in the Premier League before they were physically ready.

Would you like to repeat that mistake?

Bear in mind Neville, Beckham and Scholes were all early 20's when they broke through not 18 year olds.

Simmo they are not yet physically ready to play in the league. Beckham, Scholes and Neville were all early 20's, these lads are still teens, its not a case of talent its a case of physical ability.

Rooney at 16 was a monster but look at people like Owen, Rodwell, Vaughan, Fabregas and Wilshire who all played at 16-17 in the league and who have all suffered for it since.

They will play when ready.

Simmo

Take Wellbeck and Cleverly as examples. The 1st became a first team regular last season and the latter was until he got a bad injury. But they're not 17/18 years old. They came through our academy, got experience through loans then came back good enough.

This will happen with our current batch too. Some will take a few years to be ready but I feel Powell and Tunnicliffe could be ready at the start of next season, bearing in mind their experiences from last season

I do agree that we need to buy one or two proven quality players this summer but I disagree that these 2 boys especially (plus maybe Petrucci, Lingard, the Keane's) won't make the first team proper over the next couple years

Gav

07 Aug 2012 15:21:54
an employee at OT has heard Joe Allen's name been thrown around. (obviously can't name names) not saying anything is going to happen of course, just some info i received.

Hope not, he didn't impress me during the Olympics. Cleverley outshone him and I do not think they worked too well together.

Joe Allen is a huge United fan so it wouldn't be too hard to sign him. Just hope we set our sights higher, much higher in-fact.

Sydney!

Apparently he comes with a 20 million pound asking price...which, lets be honest...is crazy!

Andy

Sydney - we should be aiming a lot higher, he didn't impress you, well one Ryan Giggs was impressed with him, publicly naming him as a young lad with talent. Now I am no expert but I think Ryan Giggs might be slightly more qualified than you to spot a talented player.

MadeMeLaugh

Giggs would say that about any player in the squad that he was asked about.

If Giggs was that impressed with Allen he would be telling our manager to sign him.

Allen gave the ball away far too much for my liking. Most of his passes were backwards too.

Sydney!

Problem was Syd he was not asked specifically about him, Giggs chose to single him out, a big difference. How do you know Giggs hasn't recommended him to Fergie, like I said I will listen to Giggs on how good a player he is.
MadeMeLaugh

07 Aug 2012 14:52:30
SAF set to miss out on Moura to PSG, he is now thinking of taking Usain Bolt on trial, as he thinks his pace could be a real killer in the EPL

RedTalkingDevil123

It would be epic if that happened, but a) bolt still has his sprinting career and b) he admits himself that he doesn't train very hard. he may alack the stamina. would still be great if it happened, though.
nov00

LOL are people seriously believing the Bolt thing? So what happens when he gets in front of goal and then cant kick it?

People really are stupid.

GDS

Nov00

you forgot 3) he is not a footballer

Gav

07 Aug 2012 14:30:37
To eds or syd,

Is Johnstone our 3rd choice keeper this season or is he loaned out this year too?

Also guys do you actually think a deal for RVP is likely?

Thirdly, am I right in thinking its only a new CM if Anderson is sold?

Thanks guys
Welsh Red

Johnstone is going out on loan to Oldham next season. Amos is going on loan to Hull. We believe Amos may have a release clause in his loan deal for when DDG or Lindegaard gets injured.

Sydney!

Are you sure about that Syd... Who would the reserves have as their keeper because I guarantee it wouldn't be Lindeegard or De Gea and I don't think the keepers in the U18's are ready

fearny

Gollini will get games.at reserve level u would expect.

Shappy

Sutherland will be reserve keeper.

Sydney!

07 Aug 2012 14:22:07
Just read the sun and expect the signing of usain bolt on a free;) Fergie might as well give him a trial with his terrifying pace;)
U.T.I.D

LOL...class post!
It wouldn't suprise me that.

Simmo

Come on! are you seriously going to believe that twoddle from the s*n? you believe that usaine bolt, THE OLYMPIC CHAMPION, is going to give up his entire career on the off-chance that he might be good enough?
nov00

07 Aug 2012 14:15:38
hey eds im a birmingham city fan and after seeing that we have signed ravel morrison for a season loan i was wondering how good is he actually. ive heard alot talked about him and not all of it good but most people say he has great potential. i was wondering though is he ready to play at championship level. he couldnt break into the west ham side while he was there and will he expect to start for us or will he be another squad player behind those with more experience

I don't even know why West Ham bought him. They play s*** football, whereas Morrison is a very nimble, intelligent (in terms of football) and technical player. He's wasted under Allardyce.

Percy

Good enough for the championship ? Hes good enough for the premier league, but that's not the problem .

Brum, he is a very talented player and will make a difference to your team next season. His talent was never in question, just his attitude.

Sydney!

07 Aug 2012 14:11:31
Just heard now dat sao paulo are lookin for an extra 6 mill for expences.. Dat a total joke liker

07 Aug 2012 13:55:37
Look, Lucas is a very good player with massive promise and I would be happy if he signed for us. At the same time, if SAF decides that he doesnt want to buckle to the ridiculous demands of his agent and family then I would back him. £35million for someone who hasnt played in Europe yet is alot of money especially for someone who plays in a position where we already have good options. Perhaps if we were talking about paying over the odds for a top LB or top CM then I would advocate paying the extra few million but we already have several very good wingers who can play in an advanced central position. So lets not be too concerned if we miss out on this one. If we sign RVP and a LB then I will be more than fairly content with our summer business.

TK-Red

Baines, Sahin, RVP & keep Nani would be perfect IMO.

Sydney!

I would be delighted with that too Syd!

TK-Red

Sydney!
you may think I'm totally stupid, but what does IMO stand for?
nov00

IMO means In My Opinion mate.

TK-Red {Ed007's Note - I answered that???? I don't know where it went...}

Maybe there's a saboteur in your midst 007 mate? Keep your wits about you.

TK-Red {Ed007's Note - Will do mate!!!}

TK, however I think the manager will be worried about Sahin's fitness so wouldn't want to commit £15m of the kitty. Everton are being very difficult regarding Baines if reports are to be believed. RVP is still very much up in the air as no one will give him the salary he wants so he may think why not just stay where he is. I think we have a good chance in signing him, but it may come to nothing. Nani is not in the manager's plans for next season. So my next lot will be:

Izaguirre - Moutinho - Rodriguez - Lewandowski.

Sydney!

The Sahin issue seems like a no brainer really. There was talk of him going to Arsenal on loan so I see no reason for SAF to make a similar approach. If he works out then brilliant, we can agree a fee in advance of the next window, if not he goes back. Im yet to be convinced by Moutinho if Im honest but I would be quite happy with the other 3. Izaguirre may very well be an option anyway if Everton insist on being difficult.

TK-Red

Moutinho for 30m euros would be great, but not for the £33m Porto now want.

Sydney!

Obviously I meant to say no reason for SAF not* to make a similar approach.

TK-Red

07 Aug 2012 13:33:09
anyone who says that moura is over rated hasn't a clue. The lad has bags of potential and will be top class one day. Going to paris is a mistake i feel as these money rich clubs have lots of pressure for instant success and a high turn over of managers when it isn't instant. I feel sitting on the bench wont help him as pastore, lavezzi and zlatan will be first choice. I'd rather he came to us but once again we get screwed by agents.

Man city was instant.

07 Aug 2012 13:17:39
Some of you people irritate me so much. Yeah it looks like we've missed out on Moura but how much would you want us to spend!

He is not worth 25m 30 is pushing it, anything over 30 is really pushing it but their valuation is 45m! It's a shame cos he looks an a descent prospect but he is not worth the money asked.

It's just you fans that come out and say the same thing everytime we miss out on a target and suddenly we are not going to make the top four, that we're in decline, it's pathetic. We have an amazing bass of talent already at the club, we will make additions and we give youth a chance! Do you want to be a soulless club like Chelsea or Man City?

We will be fine, mark my words we will be back at the top next season as always.

Red Joe

Who said their valuation was 35 ??

they only want 25, which we have agreed but the other fees £6m is what we are not prepared to pay.......

all agents should get a set fee of x% and that is it........

You paid 16 mill each for Young (26) and Kagawa (23). They only had ONE year left on their contract. But yet you say that one of the hottest properties on the market, is not worth 20-25 and he's only 19?

Moura said that Manchester was 'boring'. He's been talking to Tevez or reading RFT's posts on here, me thinks?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

Red Joe

If this talent is so good where are they and why haven't they broken through like the era of Beckham, Scholes, giggs, Butt and the Nevilles.
It doesn't matter how young they are if they are good enough then they would be in the side.
The fact is we need to strengthen and if you think that we don't then you didn't pay attention last season.
For the majority of last season we were average at best and in Europe we were dog sh*t. We simply didn't have the players with the technique to hold onto the ball in the middle of the park, it was terrible!
People have been waffling on about all this talent coming through for the past two / three years but i still haven't seen any of them break through and the ones who were on the verge of getting the odd game here and there left and found other clubs.
We are relying on 39 and 40 year old veterans Giggs and Scholes. A lazy Brazilian who is never fit and doesn't play more than 10 games a season. A hyped up Tom Cleverley who hasn't proved anything yet and Micheal Carrick who has been steady but never sets the world on fire and Fletcher who may never come back.
Compare that to Chelsea's midfield, City's Midfield and even Arsenal's midfield this season and we look weak.
It's only Fergie being a genius and knocking a winning mentality into these players that they got anywhere near City last season. Any other manager would have failed.

Simmo

Blair Mayne

The fee what PSG are offering are 36 million you clown.
Where have you plucked 20-25 million from?

Simmo

Blair, I think the 'boring' rumour was nonsense, but if it's true it would have come from Neymar, Ganso & Robinho. All want to avoid Manchester.

Sydney!

£35m plus £6m agent fees is a ridiculous amount for Lucas. Is he worth £41m, not a chance. £25-£30m yes, £41m NO!

Sydney!

07 Aug 2012 12:36:19
Usain Bolt's dream has come true and he has had a call from SAF for a trial!

Jake F

No, he hasn't.

GDS

The way we work in the transfer market it wouldnt surprise me iff we offered him a contract as a cheaper alternative to moura, after all, we did sign bebe

07 Aug 2012 12:48:32
Never posted on here before as until now have never had anything come my way that you would consider to be credible……… More than just a random rumour or repetition of tabloid / t***ter nonsense!

I am still undecided on whether or not I would be happy with this signing (if what im led to believe is true!?), my concern is to him being very injury prone and age, however it would seem that RPV is scheduled to have a medical for UTD in the next few days. The source is good friends with one of our more Snr of players who I will not name for obvious reasons.
Personally I would prefer money spent in other areas as like most on here I agree that we need A ROCK in CM who is capable of putting YaYa in their back pocket and the rest will take care of itself.

Ps – Delighted so far with Powell for the future and Kagawa (a steal at £17m)!

07 Aug 2012 12:16:37
Please end this rubbish of we will be buying 2 more players.
As I have stated we are finished buying this transfer window!! MARK MY WORDS

We will not finish in top 4 this year

STEVEO

Grow up mate. So who's going to go above us, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham... Liverpool...Newcastle? Can't see that happening. We will be on top or second next season as usual, we have one trophy-less season and suddenly we're in melt-down.

Red Joe

Think your name should be SteveG mate.

Fergie came out and said we are after 1, maybe 2 players, so are you saying he is a liar? We have been linked and have definitely made bids for Moura and RVP, and they are just the ones the clubs have told the press about, how about the ones where they are being kept quiet like most United deals?

GDS

Red Joe

Wake up mate. It's that kind of nonchalance that will put us out of the top 4. If you think we're too good for that you're sadly mistaken - Kagawa and Powell will not be enough, mark my words.

City won on goal difference for one reason - they were inexperienced at being 'top dogs', and blew a healthy lead allowing us back into the race.

Make no mistake - they won't blow it next season.

RED_SKY

RED_SKY,

Are you serious?

Kagawa looks fantastic, exactly what we needed in attacking midfield, a proper playmaker.

I think you will find it was us that blew the lead.

GDS

You could argue that we only lost the league on goal difference but you could also argue we were out played in europe (out classed by bilbao) and out classed by city in the title decider ,city looked a much better team.
but forget all that because at the end of the day the standard of our football last year was not what you would expect from a team like united and to be honest the standard has been slipping for a few years now.
I really dont know whats going on at the club but last seasons transfer window was a bit of a shock i was sure we would improve key areas mainly CM.
I hope im wrong but this transfer window seems to be taking a similar course .
ps i know there is still 3 week left.
jred

Sure havent we signed kagawa already

GDS

Really mate?! Who was 10pts clear or so BEFORE we were top of the league? Who went on a downhill spiral allowing us back in? Some EXTREMELY short memories on here, selectively short, it seems.

Will Kagawa and Powell stop our midfield being completely and utterly mauled again next season? No, they won't, they aren't that type of player.

The position we've needed strengthening for years is still as weak as it ever was. Nothing has been done to address it. We will reap what we sow.

RED_SKY

07 Aug 2012 11:42:33
Well it looks like the Moura Deal is dead in the water, thank god because im sick of hearing about it now. Once again another transfer target goes begging.
So where do we go now and who is the next transfer target?
This is becoming rather embarassing now being linked with players who turn us down for smaller clubs who play in worse leagues.
We all know that money is the main issue with most players but come on...we are the biggest sports brand in the world, massive support on a global scale yet we are continuously looking for bargain players at knock down prices.
Don't get me wrong Kagawa looks like a good buy and i am not knocking him, Nick Powell is just a prospect with potential and could turn out to be a good player but there are no certanties.
David Gill and Fergi can sit there and bull sh*t to us all about competing for the best players but we haven't laned one since Ronaldo went to Real Madrid.
It's ok putting bids in for these players but nobody on here knows what kind of bids are being put only Gill and Fergie.
The whole saga every Summer and January is the same old story with the same outcome.

Simmo

Simmo,

Should we have offered 36 million for Lucas, even though he isn't worth that?

GDS

Simmo

Its all down to selling season Tickets, its been happening for the last 3 years. I see a little activity in the Transfer market early.
MUFC ticket office ask me via email and phone when will i be sending my monies for next year. the club makes noises about a Marque Signing, I and 60K others then Pay.
weeks later, No value in the market.

Funny but i fall for it every time

GDS
Football has moved on, if you want top players you have to pay top dollar now, its a crappy situation but its the reality of football now.
Anything over 30 million is a gamble but sometimes its worth taking it....
HERBIE

GDS

Im not saying we should of offered 36 million. I wouldn't have even gone for him in the first place.
We needed to strenthen in other areas. And by they way nobody on this site knows what was offered on the Moura deal, we are all guessing. Only Gill and Fergie know the proper story.
Nobody on this site can defend what's happened over the past 3-4 seasons.
The fact is we are linked with these players and have not signed one of them for one reason or another.
Aven Arsenal are spending money now and it looks as though Van Persie may stay. On Van Persie why the hell are we even looking at buying the guy. 20 million on a 29 year old crock who has had one good season. Complete waste of money.
This bull sh*t excuse about no value in the market is laughable, there are lots of players out there to buy.
If nobody else comes in we can look forward to watching fat arse Anderson roam about doiong nothing for 10 games because after that he'll get injured and will be out for the season.
Ryan giggs will continuously give the ball away all season as he did last season.
Fletcher we don't even know if he will come back and if he does im pretty sure he won't be anything like he was.
Cleverley has got this big reputation and hasn't proven anything yet due to injury so the jury is still out on him.
Paul Scholes will be asked to play another 30-35 game season at the ripe old age of 38 / 39 years of age.
Lets be honest, even though we hung in there and very nearly won the premiership the football we played all season was sh*te and it was even worst in Europe.
We all know the team needs major improvements and anybody who says we don't is looking at it through red blinkers.

Simmo

No name,

So you only buy your season ticket because we are going to be buying players? What about the players we already have and your love for the club?

I would be there even if we went bust and sold all our players, shame that can't be said for the rest.

GDS

I've seen this argument come about a lot recently, that of the link between ticket sales and transfers. Surely more people are less likely to buy tickets if we're losing on a weekly basis than if we don't sign a big name. I think it's silly to be basically saying that the club use rumors/speculation of transfers to boost sales. Sales will go up if we're winning matches and trophies, and yes transfers has a bit to do with that of course, but it's not the sole drive behind ticket sales.

Andy

HERBIE,

The only problem with your plan is that 'football has moved on' actually means Chelsea, City and PSG have endless amounts of money. We do not have that.

Your method of running the club and paying massive amounts for players would have us bankrupt and end up in a total mess, which is surely what a lot of Glazer haters are worried about.

We are not the only club that can't compete with them 3 clubs, in fact no other club can. We just seem to think we have the right to be able to spend ridiculous amounts without the backing of someone who will give us endless cash.

GDS

GDS

Sorry to sound like KLOOT mate, but spoken like a true Glazer shill.

"What does it matter if we don't make improvements.....BUY YOUR SEASON TICKET!"

RED_SKY

07 Aug 2012 11:40:53
SAF will meet up with the team this evening and Phelan will take the pre match press conference at 12.30.

Rudderpost

07 Aug 2012 11:18:53
sounds stupid but usian bolt has begged sir alex to let him play for united

Get a grip!
We would be the bloody laughing stock of the premier league!

Simmo

Me too, do you think I will get in?

GDS

Bet the glazers pants are getting tighter at the sound of Dollar Bills that Mr Bolt would generate laughing stock or not.

Cban

07 Aug 2012 09:56:59
Okay lads, let's get our thoughts under control and not let the media go crazy with our minds.

Lucas Moura, I am getting sick of praying for this guys name to appear on the Manutd.com site confirming his signing. Everyday, it's a new story, everyday, it's a new team. Therefore, there are two solutions, 1. He will not leave. 2. He will join the club offering the most money.
His value was for the most point around £18-23 at a REASONABLE price. Sao Paulo are not being reasonable. They want around £30-40 and for an unproven player like Moura, it's not gonna happen for a team like Manchester United, who don't do what Chelsea and Man s***ty do, and especially whilst Sir Alex Ferguson is our manager. The most believable piece of news is the 6million add-on to any deal which would pay for family relocation and agent fees. As he is only 19. This occurred with the Hazard deal in agent fees and with Nasri. Ferguson came out and said that THIS WAS WHAT SHUNNED any deal. So, fellow fans, Moura WILL NOT BE COMING. So, quickly, get over it.

Other targets.
Van Persie is looking more and more likely by the day. What that will mean for Welbeck, Chicharito and in terms of loans/selling Macheda, is in Ferguson's hands. It's a big season for all three, as I think one will have to move on.

Isco, Eriksen, Sahin, Moutinho, Witsel, Oviedo: Isco is an unconfirmed target but a very possible one that could be done very quickly but may have the same effect of Moura with his acceptable price skyrocketing. Eriksen, is a MUST BUY why Ferguson doesn't see that is beyond us all, I would of thought if he wanted him, he would have bought him earlier in the window. The latest on Sahin is that he is set to stay at Madrid unless a big offer comes in. Bad for Arsenal, potentially good for us, as he would be just as good as buying Eriksen. Moutinho, he doesn't look likely to leave unless a large offer comes in, which we probably wont stump up. Witsel, a very good option, could be a quality signing, but the problem is Benfica, they wont want to lose a player like that without being seriously thanked. Oviedo's agent has come out and said that clubs are tabling offers for the player, and he has in the past said he would love to come to united.

Gaitan and Wanayama:
No-one really cares about Gaitan and his name is slipped away, to only be championed if a single press story mentions his name in contention with us. Wanayama is a no-go in my opinion. Not many of us will have ever seen him play, and he is still young, but plays in the Scottish League, very few excel in that leage.

Thanks if you got this far,
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Red Army Fan

Should Van Persie be signed ,i would think that Macheda will again go on a season long loan,Chicarito will be used mainly as a sub and Wellbeck could be used in wide positions as well as up front. The signing of RVP would give the manager great options both through the middle and in the wide positions and he would be able to utilise his subs by bringing on game changing players late on in games when the opposition is tiring, an option that was missing last season.

Raffa

Isco's price won't sky rocket. Malaga are having money problems. As long as we act quickly there will be no chance of a bidding war as Malaga will have to accept our offer as long as it is a decent fee.

As for the future or Welbeck and Chicharito. If we sign no winger then I can see Welbeck getting a lot of games on the left hand side with Chicharito primarily being an impact player from the bench.

RedDevil19

Aww you're my fan :) nice to see.

1redarmy

07 Aug 2012 09:34:23
Just seen that liverpool's shirt sponsor's shares are tumbling in price after they were accused of illegally holding $250 billion in Iran. Nice choice of sponsor guys!

07 Aug 2012 09:14:03
personally hope the moura thing goes away and we bring in sir bobby to bolster the middle any thoughts ed..

Not Funny

Yep and Nobby Stiles at LB.

Supasub

07 Aug 2012 08:40:59
Not a rumour more a statement - why the hell are we signing a 29 year old for 20 odd million? surely that money could be invested better than that! Im surprised SAF would do this!

Mauroune Fellaini 25million

Perfect.

Cban

Its fairly simple. SAF has a couple of years left at the most, this season may even be his last, and he wants to go out by having a good crack at every competition we play in so instead of buying for the future he is, for once, buying for the right now. RVP may have had injury problems but, fitness aside, he is the best striker in the world at present so £20million may be seen as a fair price especially as he could easily play at the highest level for another 4-5 years. Lets not forget Zidane went to Madrid at 29 for £45million. If we sign RVP then I for one will be delighted.

TK-Red

Joao Moutinho 25 million

Even better.

Andy

07 Aug 2012 06:57:05
have we pulled out of the moura deal? or was it yet again more B.S to appease the fans, chase the big names then pull out for what ever reason the papers come up with, its getting a bit boring now, how long will we be treated like persons!! there will be no 30m signing, no rvp, no moura, are bizz is done with a few mill spent again. why are we hanging on to dead weight also, get rid of these players who are gonna be great, ie anderson, how many seasons does he need to shine>?

Hope your right,why blow such vast sums of money on players just for the sake of it.We have been down this route before , with Veron & Berbatov, when there was really no need to sign either and now we are talking £30 million for a 19 yr old olympic reserve and £20 million for a 29yr old injury plagued striker, however i could see the purchase of RVP winning us the league during the next 3 yrs. I feel that lots of fans these days are far more interested in the amount of money we spend rather than the real action which takes place on the field and that a £30 million spend on a player is seen as a triumph , where as i would consider the ultimate triumph 11 players running out to collect the premier league title who haven't cost a bean.( we can but dream )
Raffa

07 Aug 2012 04:26:36
Usain Bolt said he wants to play for Manchester United.

diego

I think the guy seriously thinks he can, I think it's the third time he's said it and did he not also train at carrington when Ronaldo was here.

I'd play him over Bebe
NWDA

07 Aug 2012 02:33:46
Most people think that we will sign both Lucas Moura and Van Persie.

But if you remember what Sir Alex said he said we will sign 1 maybe 2 players and he said we will sign a Left Back so thats 1 spot taken.

The other imo is Lucas Moura or Van Persie not both.
I'd prefer Lucas Moura but thats me tell me which 1 you would prefer?
Andy H

07 Aug 2012 00:07:32
Guys.. We shouldn't get carried away with Moura just because he looks good on the net .. Obertan looked amazing on net too and look what happened .. Watching Lucas in Olympics , he doesn't seem amazing .. Same league as nani but at least nani is proven in epl.. Psg could be doing us a favour .. Turning to RVP I agree , he will sign for us , I have no doubts .. And we will add a midfielder to complete the spending !