Manchester United Banter Archive February 07 2013

07 Feb 2013 23:14:06
I see everybody talking about Wilshere here, but think we have got ourselves a diamond in a young norwegian boy, playing for the U18's. Dæhli had his debut for the Norway U21's this evening. Watched the match, and even though he only played for 30 minutes, or so, the lad showed great composure on the ball, with some brilliant passes. Seems to a great prospect for the future.

ZigZag

But Wilshire will improve us now. Where as we'll have to wait for Daehli for few years.

Singh

I don't understand the Wilshere talk, he won't improve us now because he is going to stay at arsenal. We don't just say right Wilshere is good we will have him, he has to want to sign for us!

GDS

Daehli, Januzaj and Pereira are all very good young players and great prospects.

If all 3 continue to improve and sign long term contracts at the club in the near future we will have the making of a very exciting mid-field.

Oxred

Daehli is excellent but he's not a CM. He's an AM.

All three- Daehli, Januzaj and Pereira are attack minded.
For CMs, we have Pearson and Rothwell. Both fantastic prospects. : )

Saad

Ben Pearson is the best of the lot, If you watch the accademy you will notice that the whole team revolves around Pearson. He is skillfull, reads the game well, is quick and for his size, tackes like a tank. Also nice to see Joe Rothwell back, like Pearson he has a tremendous future.
Raffa

Yes Raffa.

Pearson has been developing really quick I have read.
And Rothwell is so good with his free-kicks.

Saad

I swear I am going to scream if one more person uses the "he's not a CM, he's an AM" line. This isn't football manager! Players these days have to be flexible and also have to be able to do a job for the team. They cannot afford to be so specialized as to say they ONLY play AM. Football isn't as simple as this man is an AM, this other man is a CM, this other man is a RW and not a RM. Paul Scholes started out as a striker at the club but would anyone like to say that Paul Scholes was never a CM even though that's where most of his career was spent? Daehli is more than capable of playing midfield as his career progresses. Players cannot afford to be so specialized as to say they ONLY play AM.

TK-Red

That's really dumb TK-Red

A player is played in a certain position only because he's best in that position.
Turning an AM into a CM would only take away his offensive capabilities.
Did Giggs or Park, who had already established themselves be able to play in CM?

Daehli is an amazing AM prospect and can play across the front 3. But to make him a CM, is just plain stupid. It's a criminal under-utilization of his immense talent.

Saad

Spot on GDS. Top player but will stay at Arsenal for now so it's pointless dreaming about it now.

Gav

Saad,

Did you deliberately type that post in order to wind TK up? Talking about CM's and AM's as if we are playing football manager is what he is talking about, and then your whole post talks about them like that!

GDS

You didn't answer my question about Scholes. He was as much of an "AM" when he was younger, infact more of a striker. Did moving him into midfield "under-utilize his talents"? I find it especially surprising that you say Daehli is purely an AM when he has been playing in every position across the midfield for the Under 18's. You talk about a front 3 but what if they want to play 5 across the middle with 1 up front? Or a 442?

As for Park and Giggs, are you talking about the same Park who has played a vital role in CM on several occasions, in particular the game away in Milan? Or the same Ryan Giggs that has played successfully on many occasions over the last several years? It is only this year that his legs have failed him in that position. I'm sorry Saad but you're talking crap. There is more to a players position than the labels given to them on FM or FIFA13.

TK-Red

TK-Red,

My point is simple.
Daehli is best as an attacking MF. He simply does not have the strength to play in center midfield. Nor do Januzaj's game suit the center midfield role. They are in the mould of David Silva/ Mata.

They are best deployed in an advanced position. For CM, people like Rothwell are good. They are strong and have good defensive capabilities as well. You are not making sense at all buddy.

It was my post.
Saad

As for Park and Giggs,
Their presence in midfield was never that brilliant. Let's not talk about Park's performance against an aged and ineffective Milan side.

Saad

As for your question on Scholes,
Scholes was moved to the center of midfield after he succeeded in the attacking role. Whereas, Daehli is yet to even debut for our senior team. Let him perform well in his best position before we talk about turning him into a Scholes.

Saad

They don't have the physical strength? Saad you just get worse. Daehli and Januzaj are 17 and 18 years old respectively and by no means fully developed physically and yet, certainly in Daehli's case, he is more than holding his own, physically, whilst playing against guys who are 1-2 years old than him. David Silva and Juan Mata are more suited to that role because they grew up in the Spanish youth system and never had to deal with the type of physicality that kids do playing over here. When Jack Wilshere was 15-16 he was seen as a similar type of player to Daehli and yet you don't see him being pigeon holed as an "AM" do you? He can easily be classed as a CM and could hold his own in a 2 man central midfield.

You say let him perform in his best position so can I ask how it is that you know his best position when the coaching staff at the club clearly don't even know that yet? You talk about how he hasn't even made his first team debut yet but you seem very certain that "he isn't a CM, he is an AM" and shot someone down when they said that Daehli could end up being our Wilshere.

You obviously 100% believe what you are saying and you also seem to completely miss the point so let's just wait and see where Daehli ends up.

TK-Red

Oh and you belittle Park's performance against Milan but considering his job was to keep Andrea Pirlo quiet and he did it very effectively, let's give him some credit as this is the same Pirlo that was the best player at Euro 2012 and was Juventus best player in an unbeaten campaign last season.

TK-Red

07 Feb 2013 22:27:09
Listen you lot if every midfeilder strormed forward we wouldn't have anyone in there!

Cleverly is a carrick mould type of player- does a lot of work off the ball and makes himself available for the pass!

Wilshere drives and tackles hard! yes he's a great talent but world class he isn't / not saying he won't be but he needs 20 goals a season before he is!

All in all 2 different types of players but our best 2 of them types of players for england!

Big V

Come on even scholes only managed 20 goals a season once, in fact only got more than 14 once.
i think maybe wilshere does what clevs does and then some, that's what makes him the better player
jred

Think it's a bit harsh to expect a CM'er to score 20 goals a season. He's not an all out AM imo he does a lot of his good work in the heart of the pitch.

Gav

It's very simple. Cleverly is a useful player to have in the squad. He keeps the ball well, has good movement and gives a lot of effort.

On the other hand Wilshere is quickly becoming a top class player, and a genuine leader. It's not about taking the ball forward, it's about the lad's ability to take the game by the scruff and dictate the play. I've never seen Cleverly do this, and i've never seen him dominate a game. I doubt there's a single manager in a top English or European team who isn't thinking about bidding when he outgrows Arsenal.

Over a year out with injury at a crucial stage of his development and he comes back even stronger. I'm glad united have a player like Cleverly in the squad, but I would love if we had Wilshere leading our midfield for the next decade.

Danny Pughnited

Danny, couldn't agree more. Many on here should also remember that Cleverley has lost three times as much as Wilshere has lost through injury through development. Also Wishere has always been a central midfielder all through his development, Cleverley was a wide-man until the beginning of last season.

Sydney!

I have watched Wilshere play since he was 16. His talent was there to be seen then and can remember thinking back then that he will be a top player. I am not saying he isn't a top class player now, just think people are going a little OTT about him. He will be a WC talent if he continues his progress, but he isn't there yet. Give the lad some time before coming out with ludicrous statements that he is worth £50m. Perhaps he will be worth that at 23/24, but he isn't worth that now even with the English premium.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - So Syd, hypothetically speaking, who would you rather the CM pairing was against Real Madrid, Carrick/Cleverley or Carrick/Wilshere?}

Top post IMO Danny Pugh, agree with every word. In fact it just seems like common sense to me.

Gav

007, I would accommodate all three, but if it was a choice between Cleverley and Wilshere I would choose Wilshere. The game needs more players like Cleverley and Wilshere, players that pass and move well. A midfield three of Cleverley, Wilshere & Kagawa would be good to watch, although maybe a little lightweight.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - I'll let you of with that answer Syd ;-)

07 Feb 2013 21:53:20
Fact: Only Andy Cole (11) and Thierry Henry (8) have scored more goals against Liverpool FC than Jamie Carragher (7).
You shall be missed Jamie! I AM STOUT

Thats gas! well done!

07 Feb 2013 19:39:05
TK Red,

Firstly an apology, you did not say that, my fault, I in error mixed you up with the no named Utd poster.

Sydney it wasn't a question it was a copy of a statement made by the no name Utd fan obviously annoyed that Wilshere was a talent and didn't play for Utd.

I personally have never said Wilshere is World class but he has everything to become that, this page in fact is guilty of the massive over use of that term.

Cleverley, I have had a number of debates with people about Jack and Tom, I would point out that I actually never started that particular subject it was months ago in response to a post on here stating that Tom was Better than Jack.

It is clear to see where Jack is going, if Tom played for us or any other team would you be clambering for his signature. There is only one answer to that and it's no. I am not saying Tom is rubbish because he quite clearly isn't and time will tell whether he stays with you and really becomes part of the next generation of England players. In that respect I believe Jones and Smalling will become top players for you and England but you won't truly see the best of them until Rio and Vidic move on. In honesty Jack Wilshere and Alex Chamberlain are the real future of England's midfield, who plays alongside them, again time will tell.

JK92 you sum up everything that is naff about some posters on this page, because Jack is so good but doesn't play for you, you feel the need to compare him against other established stars to put him down, no doubt if Jack played for Utd you would be one of those using that term World Class.

Stoner

I never said he was a bad player stoner, he is a very good young player with huge potential but let's give him time and see how he does in the next few seasons (hopefully injury free), yeah i'd love to see him at united but i'd prefer ozil or gotze to him, just personal preference.

as for vidal and modric, they'd make an instant impact and that's what we need at the moment.

JK92

To be honest Stoner they are different types of players, they play different roles and games, so comparisons are pointless its like trying to compare Xavi to Iniesta or Pirlo to Keane. All class players but pointless to compare.

We saw last night how well they both played together and that's the future England midfield there, just leaves a spot with them. As an England fan its something to be excited about.

As a United fan would I take Wilshire? Of course, imagine last night replicated for a whole season.

Both good players let leave it at that.

Mort

Stoner, there are 100's of good players United fans would to play for us. Wilshere is just one of a huge list. Cleverley lacks one thing that Jack has and that's the ability to drive forward. This is what United have been lacking since Keane was at the club and when we see players doing it for other clubs we want them. Wilshere is a better player than Cleverley and I have said that many times, but Cleverley is still a decent player and will have a better career than Wilshere. Again the British press are overrating another English player, but until he adds 15+ goals a season to his game he is still some way off being the next Paul Scholes.

Sydney!

A decent well balanced post there stoner. Maybe it was just me but I actually thought clev and wilshire complimented each other well last night. Clev chasing down and passing to the more forward thinking players and jack as a real driving force. I admit wilshire is a real gem and defo will be world class. In clevs defence I think most will say a lot of the time our midfields over run so I don't think we have seen everything from him yet. Hopefully for england these players do get better and make it at our teams as our national team needs them.

I'm not ashamed to say I would welcome Wishere with open arms, I think he is the most talented youngster in England right now and has potential to be a world star. Shame he plays for Arsenal : -)

AJH

I'll be honest with you then Stoner, I think Wilshere is absolutely top class. He is a cut, even two, above Cleverley. In fact, if there was anyone in the league that I could sign it would be Wilshere, followed by Bale. I like Cleverley, he is a good player, but the difference for me between the two is that Wilshere will grab a game by the scruff of the neck and take it to the opposition. Cleverley will not do that. Like I said, good player. That's where it ends though for now. Too often he is passive in games. He has good movement and I'm sure he'll improve but we cannot rely on him week in week out. I'm all for him playing because I like the kid and he works well with Carrick but if we all had our own way, the midfield would be improved by one or two signings. If this was the case, Cleverley would not be first choice to partner Carrick. Just a little perspective. Still, Wilshere isn't competing for top honours like Cleverley so it's hardly a nightmare situation for our Tom! I'd like to think Wilshere will want to compete for these trophies one day and will make the rough decision to leave the club he clearly loves. Would be a shame not to see him at the top of the game where he already belongs, let alone will belong.

FHS

Crikey! Sensible debate as opposed to one eyed bias!

AJH

FHS, we do miss that driving force that Wilshere has. That is something Strootman would add so it is a must that we go all out to sign him. He would work well with Cleverley just like Wilshere and Cleverley worked well last night.

Sydney!

07 Feb 2013 21:52:53
At Arsenal we have a future with a better financial outlook that should ensure we don't have to sell any more and that in itself, if the right purchases are made can only mean we challenge properly again. that's my honest hope and opinion and that Jack will play a big part in it.

I think we all see that ours and your younger players will play a big part in the future of England and it's a big ask, but maybe actually win something, I will have no problem if Cleverley plays a part in that, they play two different roles.

Sydney I know you've never said that about Cleverley and it's just my opinion of him, I know you like to say about medals won and so on but teams including us are getting better, the domination of trophies Utd have enjoyed is no longer something that will continue, the likes of City, Chelsea, Spurs and us will ensure it is not all one way, you have found that out, no more than last season. Look how much stronger europe is a la Atletico Madrid.

Even Newcastle, Everton and Swansea are no whipping boys. Look at the way even Reading and Southampton have played against you.

This is one tough title to win and even at 9 points clear it's no gimme.

Stoner

Wilshere can hurt a team, he can play the killer pass he can beat a man he gives you an end product, and he was like that at bolton the lads got that something extra.
best young english player I've seen since rooney, if he can avoid injuries and continues to progress he will be up with the best of them imo
jred

Are arsenal a selling team, i'm not sure they wanted to sell or cash in on that many players, it was more a case they couldn't keep hold of them.
has wegner not said he is looking more at english players for the added loyalty from now on
jred

Stoner

I'd have to agree Wilshere is a cut above Cleverly and most other English talents. It's as clear as day and night to me.

His touch, technique and dribbling ability from CM set him apart.

With regards the future at your club, yes Arsenal are getting to a better and better financial position each year. But will they ever spend the money or will it be gobbled up by the board? That is the question. Wenger seems reluctat to spend more than £10-15m in one hit which is why many have gone elsewhere in the search for success. That is a worry for a team that should be competing at the top.

Syd - Jack has a lot more than 'the ability to drive forward' over Cleverly. I'm a big Clev fan but anyone who knows football can see that surely.

I'm sure they will form a nice partnership for England in the future, and who knows, perhaps for United too unless Wenger pulls his finger out ;)

Gav

07 Feb 2013 18:59:25
Hey. Some of you may remember me, some may not. I posted the night after we beat you 1-0 at Goodison in the first game of the season (Everton and Manchester United that is) saying about how good Felli is and to give you reassurances over the season ahead. 90% of you were proper worried about your defence, etc but I told you how Felli can, and 95% of the time will, dominate any defense so you don't need to worry.

Anyway, my post is about how I also said that RVP would win you the title back from your neighbors - whom I wanted to win the title last year as it as a change, but money has made them a "bigger" club than everyone else according to their supporters, along with Chelski being "bigger than us according to them, but they aren't, they're richer clubs. The quicker City and Chelski get brought back to reality the better.

Back to RVP. I said about how he'd win you the title back, and it looks like I'm correct.

Good luck for the rest of the season (that starts from about 18: 00 on Sunday, though : D) and I hope you win the title - unless we pull of a miracle and win it ourselves.

Keith EFC.

21 Aug 2012 15: 45: 54
Everton fan here in peace. I've not come to gloat, I've come to shed light on last night's game.

First off, some of you say Fellaini is world-class and some say he isn't actually that good. Trust me he is unbelievably classic at his job. Some say he doesn't do it against City, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. Trust me, he does. Videos on YouTube prove it. There's no team in the world (apart from the world's best XI possibly) that he wouldn't get into. And on the last point or so about Felli, some say he wouldn't be good at United as it's long ball after long ball. It isn't. Yes, we play long balls up to him (60% are from goal kicks) - and that's why he brings balls down on his chest so often. But we play a lot of one touch football and that includes Felli. Lastly, in his first season he was a magnet for yellow - sometimes red - cards. Now he has cut down a lot, and I mean a lot. Overall summary of Felli:
Strong.
Wins almost every ball in the air.
Tackles a lot better (more tackles than any other PL player last season. And that's w/ out fouling)
Scores fair share of goals.
Young.

If United make a move for him, now or in 2 or 3 years, then you've got one of the best midfielders that are currently gracing this sport.

Next. De Gea is one of, if not the best goalkeeper (in terms of saving shots) in the World. Yesterday was a perfect start for him. First game of the season and he's shown he's back at his best with 5-10 world class saves. The only low point is crosses - he doesn't know what to do when they come near him.

Your defence: Yesterday, you had all of your CBs missing apart from Vidic. Yes you was poor but when Felli (and the likes of Jela, Pienaar, etc) come up against your midfielders having to fill in at CB then you're going to be. Even Wigan's attack would have caused problems for your defence yesterday. Don't worry though, Ferdinand, Jones, Smalling, etc, will soon patch that problem. And Evra. I don't what he's meant to be. He's not a LB. I see that as your only weakness (with a fully fit sqaud) in defence (and possibly Rafael, too). Baines is perfect for you, but you have Buttner now.

Your midfield: Widemen are brilliant. Young and Nani (although Nani might need to be replaced soon), plus Valencia have pace, skill, etc. Trust me, a team like Barca would be scared of those wingers. Scholes just cannot tackle to save his life and Cleverley needs more experience. All you need is someone like Felli (who can tackle and secure your midfield area) and your midfield will be pure class.

And attack: RVP. Rooney. Welbeck. Hernandez. Need I say more? Fergie left RVP on the bench 'cause of match fitness. Rooney has stalled in his talent a bit but him and R. V. P (who I can't stress enough, needs time to settle in) - Finally, Welbeck isn't a natural goalscorer and I think he'd do a great job in the CM/CAM midfield role if he gets given a chance. And Hernandez needs experience. Apart from that I'd have him in my dream team anyday (he can finish with head or foot brilliantly, young and knows how to read the game).

United's biggest problem is getting a midfielder like Felli (basically another Scholes but younger, taller and who can tackle), a stronger CB to combat players like Felli, and giving RVP time.

You may have a few more days like yesterday in the next month or so, but after that City will be quacking like mad because RVP and Rooney will be unbelievable if RVP reproduces his Arsenal form and a you'll have an experienced, with youth, midfield that's capable of stopping lots of teams.

Turst me, in a month or so, when RVP's been given much needed time to settle in and when your defence is back from injury (and maybe a new signing who's stronger) you'll be winning games like you used to do - and you'll be looking back at yesterday laughing at how you thought you have no chance of returning to the old United.

All the best for the upcoming season, especially when you play the RS at An (al)field in a few weeks. I believe you'll be holding that BPL trophy in May. Just remember, patience is a virtue.

Good luck and sorry for the mammoth of a post.

Keith EFC.

07 Feb 2013 17:45:25
So Jamie Carragher is to retire at the end of the season. That is one down and one to go. The pleasure I will get from knowing that him and Stevie Me have gone all the way through their liverpool careers without a sniff of a league winners medal. Don't get me wrong I have a lot of time for Carragher yes he is a scouse and would probably rob your house but he is a one club man who understands the club he plays for he understands the supporters and gives all for his shirt. Yes I remember the tackle (if that's what you can call it) on Nani but we've had plenty of players who would put their foot in. We have been blessed by having a whole bunch of players at the same time local boys who played for the club for as long as they could and gave everything for the red shirt. They like Carragher got it, they understood the rivalry. It wasn't about the money for them it was always the club and I recognise that in Carragher. I know the boss has a lot of time for him as well because I think he sees a lot of what he likes in a player loyalty and honesty. I don't include Stevie Me in that as without some threats on his family and girlfriend from local gangsters he would be wearing a Chelsea shirt right now. So there will be a part of me who will miss Carragher and what he and players like Neville Scholes and Giggs stood for. I AM KLOOT

07 Feb 2013 18:15:02
can't say i'm really bothered. Poor player, over rated, slow, poor touch, bad tackler, bad positioning, poor football brain. Nothing going for him apart from commitment. Its not like its even his club anyway he's a life long toffee like most of liverpools youth graduates.

The only thing I will miss about him is our players rinsing him with pace and technical skills! 'that tackle' was awful!
Chris the REDman

Haha I liked the bit when you say 'yes he would probably rob your house' - harsh but true ;)

Must say I respect Carragher for his work ethic, loyalty etc. and have even posted as such on the L'pool site.

You have a dig at Gerrard - and that's your perogative - but the difference between them is Gerrard could have gone on to be one of the best, most sucessful CM'ers in the world and that's simply why Chelsea wanted him. Carragher was a decent, hard working CB but would never have gone on to be the star that Stevie could have. So I doubt he would ever have had such an attractive offer as the one given to SG.

Liverpool was the best club Carragher could ever have played for IMO. So an unfair comparison in my book.

Gav

Gav

Fair play to him. Over 700 games, local boy, 1 club man, never any trouble, 100% commitment. If he played for us we would have loved him. He has my respect.

AJH

I thought he retired a couple of years ago ;)

Sydney!

Jamie Carragher = poor mans Wes Brown
LP

Defo KLOOT

There are players that stay with a team they love for the fact they love them and there are players that stay for the cash.

Steven G stayed for reasons others probably wouldn't face but it shows that with all his cash you can't escape the mobs. I am sympathetic to him having not followed his dreams but also laugh at the fact I have hated him since he stamped on Phil stamp (ironic) and has still not helped his beloved Liverpool to a league title.

Jono

07 Feb 2013 13:54:51
Ed are you aware of whether Scholes will sign for another year or not?

Dan {Ed002's Note - I don't know.}

He shouldn't even be getting an offer of a new contract! He has been a wonderful servant of our great team but his time had come and the only role he should be offered is a coaching one.

Jono

I get the impression he will choose to retire again. I imagine his mind is firmly made up given the number of games he gets and level of performance he achieves these days.

True legend though.

Gav

Scholes and especially giggs has been very useful this season, you cannot buy experience

nikz

07 Feb 2013 17:04:18
Cons red

If your reading mate I'm out and about in St Andrew tonight mate so give me a shout if you fancie joining me as i'm stuck with a bunch of rugby fans and they don't even know who DDG is haha

Jono

07 Feb 2013 13:57:45
Anyone agree that Baines needs to find a new barber?

IHaveNoName!

Daniel Agger can recommend one

Puzzled

My hair is quite similar to Baines, so no! haha

Let me guess you think short back and sides are cool? : )

Personally I like individuality so am even a fan of haircuts like Fellaini and Coloccini! I do draw the line at Balotelli's mohawk though, that's a step too far IMO!

Gav

There's no such thing as individuality these days. Every hairstyle and every fashion style is a modern interpretation of something that has been done before, sometimes long long before. We're at a stage where true originality is hard to find.

TK-Red

Not sure if I'd say its cool but short back and sides is a hell of a lot easier in a morning haha. Maybe I should start a new post to vote who has the best and most individual haircut in football lol!

TK-Red, Why don't you grow a Afro, shave a line down the middle and dye it orange. Think that would be a first and people would certainly think its "original" lol : )

IHaveNoName!

TK-Red

You got a bit deep then, haha! I would argue there are still different levels of individuality, whether you can be truly original or not - is another matter.

Can't believe we're debating haircuts!

Gav

I'm sure people would think it was original but wouldn't that be a different version of a reverse mohawk? Besides, I did that last year, it never caught on surprisingly.

TK-Red

07 Feb 2013 13:00:52
I've seen a couple of posts saying that Wilshere showed how much better he is than Cleverley in last nights game but I think its a matter of your point of view. All I saw last night was that Cleverley and Wilshere play very well together in the same midfield. Last night was about short, 1-2 touch passing and both players benefited from the others game. Imagine them playing in a United midfield with Strootman, for example, playing with them. Even a Carrick, Cleverley and Wilshere combination would work. Of course this is infinitely unlikely to happen as the lad bleeds Arsenal but in a few years, who knows.

TK-Red

Cleverley and Wilshere are different types of player, but as seen last night work very well together. Wilshere drives past players whereas Cleverley passes his way through players.

Wilshere is a better player, but that doesn't mean Cleverley isn't good. He is still a very good player.

Sydney!

We have some good talent in Petrucci, Tunnicliffe, Powell and then Pearson and Rothwell as well. They will all be good. So let's be patient.

Saad

07 Feb 2013 15:08:35
Tk why on earth would you want Jack when you've said Ozil, Modric and Vidal are better than him.

Stoner

Stoner, what a dumb question. That's like saying why would you want Cavani if Ronaldo, Falcao & Messi are better.

Sydney!

Are they not stoner?

Yeah Wilshere is a very good payer but to say he's better than established players such as those 3 is laughable.
Gotze is another player who is better than him and maybe gundogan, just because he is young and English people seem to be making a few bodily fluid stains over him.

lets see how he progresses in the next season and half.

JK92

'Stoner'

When have I ever said that Ozil, Modric and Vidal are better than Wilshere? Please do tell me.

TK-Red

I'm a fan of Cleverly I think he works hard and makes the rest of the team look better. But Wilshere is clearly a far better talent - his dribbliing, first touch and technique are better than anyone else in his age group in this country IMO.

Gav

07 Feb 2013 10:38:18
ok let's get to serious stuff this wkend, we stoppd you from getin 20 titles last year, you will definitely get it this year, but if we attack you from start were in with a chance of winning. and hiettingas dropped. he was poor against villa at week. coyb

The only way we won't end up winning this game is if SAF has the Madrid game in mind. At best, you can salvage a draw. Nothing more. : )

Saad

Should be a good, competitve game, coyb. They usually are. But let's get one thing straight, it was us and us alone that cost us the league last season. Don't put yourself on such a pedastal ;) You just concentrate on staying about Liverpool then we'll all be happy!

Gav

07 Feb 2013 08:59:30

Hi, just a question about Cole (on the reserves team), I just read the report about the Oldham game, where he bagged four goals. I have never seen him play, so I was just wondering what kind of players he is? His strengths and weekness, and if he is comparable to another player?

Would be so nice, to get the acadamy/reserve players in the first team in a couple of seasons, nothing is better than seeing a player grow into a first-teamer ("world-beater" or not).

Steffen

Like clevereley and welbeck who get slated each week.

Technical, quick, two footed and very intelligent.
Got a lot of tricks in his bag. But I rate Lingard more than Cole.
it's possible injuries have hampered Cole's development.
He's quite good.

07 Feb 2013 02:47:03
I would just like to point out our reserve's brilliant performance, beating oldham 7-0. Cole got himself a super hatrick, with Januzaj, Vermijil and Lingard ( with the goal of the night ) also on the scoresheet. Jazuzaj was involved in most of our good work. He is improving steadily and become accustomed to the u21 this season. Hopefully next season he'll get himself a loan.

Mick