Manchester United Banter Archive July 07 2015

07 Jul 2015 23:19:06
Looking like we will announce, darmian, otamendi, schneiderlin and poss one more by end of the week! I have a suspicion it is schweinstieger but not gauranteed!!! That woukd be some great business on our behalf if we do, hopefully get a striker in aswell, good summer business for me

08 Jul 2015 01:07:06
Do u think schweinsteiger would swap the confort of bayern who are guaranteed the bundesliga every season to a more competive league as in the premiership i myself think he will see out his contract and head to the usa next season for one final hurrah and earn the dollar

08 Jul 2015 06:10:23
He can earn the dollar here at ManUtd and apart from greedy players like Gyan, most would like to play in a competitive league until they can. Schweinsteiger could come to us because he would know he would a regular starter for us.
Muller rumors seem unlikely to me as he is one of germany's best striker and prospect.

08 Jul 2015 09:48:09
No chance, of announcing 3 or 4 players by the end of the week!

07 Jul 2015 22:37:03
Obviously very hard to say as not all signings are in yet, not by a long shot but is anyone feeling confident enough to stick their neck out today and say we will finish 1st or 2nd next year?

07 Jul 2015 22:51:58
10 points clear!

07 Jul 2015 23:00:36
I predict we will finish 3 places above our current standing just as we did the season before.
Costco also do great refunds on crystal balls.

07 Jul 2015 23:01:24
I honestly think we'll win it in April

07 Jul 2015 23:20:45
Yes, we're Manchester United.

07 Jul 2015 23:23:25
With Europe (more games)
Arsenal strengthening a major area already (Cech)
Man City allowed to spend big
Chelsea already solid
Liverpool strengthening well imo
Our players looking very unfit last season with so few games
5-6 players coming in learning methods and existing ones adapting
The Rooney conundrum if we do buy a first choice striker
Pre-Season started and we haven't done much needed business
DDG probably going

My heart says "so what we are Man Utd", but my head says that with LVG - lucky to finish 4th and maybe even qualify for the CL proper because of how close it is time wise.

I suppose I can only be pleasantly surprised, it makes me sick it has come to that.

08 Jul 2015 03:34:17
O Beast!
U are one hell of a thing. aren't u? :)

08 Jul 2015 05:48:03
if v play like last season we be lucky to get 7th .u can have 11 best players in the world and still not win the league. if v play like team we should be challenging . hope just plain hope lvg do better

08 Jul 2015 06:13:45
I think we will improve on last season whether we win the league or not you can't really tell as we still don't know how the teams above us will strengthen.
I think we will win something and do well in the UCL

08 Jul 2015 06:50:05
Beast ,
I'm sure things won't look so bad after you've had your porridge

08 Jul 2015 08:40:24
Least we will end up with a silverware unlike this season.

08 Jul 2015 08:44:09
think we're looking at 4th again honestly

08 Jul 2015 09:27:18
Dwill,

So if we play like we did last season (when we finished 4th) we will finish 7th. Did you read that back and think it made any sense or just being negative for the sake of it?

08 Jul 2015 10:24:48
gds i m not negative at all we where lucky to finished 4th last season do u think u want to ride on it . we struggled against so many teams telle do you ever felt we can win this match even against bottom table teams it was always like scraping a win . i do agree we played well in patches but tats not going to win tittles keep position without any movement and side passing will not win the tittle . LVG want us to keep position and make other team tired i m sorry but the realitly most of bottom team sit back wait and counter if u don't move the ball fast sorry to say its supporters who getting tired of this . but has i said before i will judge Lvg if we have solid back 4 who can stay fit .

08 Jul 2015 11:36:24
I doubt Spurs & Everton will stand still either, young players improving all the time!

08 Jul 2015 11:49:31
Cheers for the thoughts. I'm saying 3rd with fa cup

08 Jul 2015 13:47:39
who are we pepgiggs, Arsenal?? haha

08 Jul 2015 14:15:40
If we keep DeGea then 3rd, if not then 4th.
DeGea is worth 10 points at least going off last season.

07 Jul 2015 20:29:35
What with his illness yesterday can anyone confirm Schneiderlin reported for pre season today and flew with the squad? I realise this is trivial but I'm curious, just wanted to know for certain?

Cheers in advance

07 Jul 2015 20:50:33
he did travel according to their website.

07 Jul 2015 20:55:55
Was trying to get info on this myself and all I could find was he's returned to training.

07 Jul 2015 21:08:37
Yes, he reported. Yes, he trained. Yes, he travelled with the squad to Austria later today for initial pre-season games.
Still more mileage before this plays out.

07 Jul 2015 21:27:08
Yes mate he travelled with the Southampton squad on their pre season tour to Austria today

07 Jul 2015 19:31:39
Just want to add my two pennies worth on the darmian debate
I watch a lot if italian football and have been slightly obsessed with it since the gazetta show on channel 4 when ince and gazza played out there
Anyway darmian is very much an italian gary neville, not the best technically but very hard working and knows football and his position inparticular inside out. Very good positional sense and always willing to add to an attack.
Hes never really stood out playing for torino but never for a bad reason either. he's the type of player that would perform equally whether it be torino mid table or juventus top of the table. He will fit straight in at united ifsigned and be a 7/8 out of ten every game.
Neville went down as probably the prems best ever right back but would anybody have noticed him if he played for villa for example. don't be fooled by the club were signing darmian from, I think he'll turn out to be a very good buy

07 Jul 2015 19:51:31
An Italian G.Neville, that will do for me, best RB to grace the premiership.
:-)

07 Jul 2015 20:58:07
Vinny l think you've hit the nail on the head with that. Big statement 👍

07 Jul 2015 18:47:26
Just read that Freddy Adu has left his Finnish team at 26 to "explore other opportunities". Can anybody think of a player as hyped up that has fallen so far?

07 Jul 2015 19:08:05
Completely agree with you on that 1 beast, he was supposed to be a star.

The wind-up merchant in me really wanted to reply to this post with either ADM or Rooney, but I think we've all had enough excitement for one day.

07 Jul 2015 19:22:54
Rooney? ;-)

07 Jul 2015 19:25:13
Bostock done a good job

07 Jul 2015 19:32:34
I feel quite sorry for Adu. He was good but never great and his reputation was blown way out of proportion.

He came to prominence just when social media and football in the States was getting serious and he was billed as the next Pele. How wrong they were!

The player I always remember is Denilson. A big transfer to Betis but never did anything. Closer to home, I think Lee Sharp takes the prize for not fulfilling their potential.

07 Jul 2015 19:34:30
Not to his level no, has to be the biggest let down in my living memory. English wise there was Michael Johnson from City and good ol' Francis Jeffers but not a patch on Adu sadly. Kleberson and Eric Djemba Djemba wasn't so far behind for us though!

07 Jul 2015 19:46:08
Yeah too much too young well over hyped.

07 Jul 2015 20:56:37
Yeah Brendan, Rooney, he was this really exciting teenager for everton and then we bought him and he's gone downhill ever since,

I think he will go down in history as being the worst record goal scorer captain for club and country that professional football has ever seen.

07 Jul 2015 21:32:33
I remember there being quite a lot of hype about Jody Morris at the time. Also how can we forget Macheda I really thought he would of been something special when he buried that strike against Villa that day

07 Jul 2015 18:35:18
Without trying to go over old ground, I would like to know peoples thoughts on what is happening with Schneiderlin? We are obviously interested because we put a bid in for the guy, but that was two weeks ago.
I honestly think that we are dragging our heels because of the price. For what ever reason, we don't want to go above 25 million for him. There could also be a possibility that he isn't our first choice and maybe we are waiting on someone else to become available? Either way, I feel very frustrated because the guy is perfect for us. It seems like a no brainer to me.

{Ed004's Note - this is just speculative, but what if we are all underestimating the amount Southampton want for Schneiderlin. They just got 30 million for a left back and 25 for Lallana who isn't as important a player as Schneiderlin. It could be that they're asking for 30 million +. If that was the case I'd be looming at the likes of Nainggolan, Verratti, Carvalho as alternatives. However, I think it is only a matter of time before we sign him}

07 Jul 2015 18:55:11
I hope so, Ed.

It does seem that their valuation of him exceeds what we think he is worth.

{Ed004's Note - Also realistically who are we competing against for him? He wants champions league football and PSG and Arsenal currently are not interested in him. We would outbid Spurs on wages comfortably. I would hope we are more appealing than the likes of Monaco and Lyon}

07 Jul 2015 19:38:53
I agree Ed, we don't have any serious competition for him, hence why, it would seem, we are not in a hurry to meet Southampton's demands.

07 Jul 2015 17:00:04
Hey Ed. Where does will keane stand with regards to getting a look at first team football?

{Ed004's Note - He might get appearances on the tour but he won't be getting anywhere near the first team any time soon IMO}

07 Jul 2015 23:35:08
From what I've heard from my Wednesday mates, he wasn't anything special.

07 Jul 2015 17:26:30
Everyone !
Please type Darmian in the search query and see for the old posts (app. 2-3 months ago) . It is strange that many many posters wanted him and he was very very good RB. Now half of the posters have different opinion. Strange.

I haven't watched Darmian so no opinion from my side

07 Jul 2015 18:18:11
I was thinking this, lots of people saying why aren't we in for him, he's going to be great etc. now it's quite negative. Dunno if he will join or not but he's got to be better than Valencia and must be seen as good or better than clyne. If he joins I imagine that Coleman was just way too expensive and a hassle to negotiate for. Let's see if he signs first.

07 Jul 2015 18:41:35
I'm assuming that most haven't watched him that much, going from the comments. I haven't either so have no opinion. Would be good to hear a more qualified opinion, have Shappy or Moon watched him? Or anyone else?

07 Jul 2015 18:59:57
Where's shappy or Mick1 when u need them.

07 Jul 2015 21:04:03
I've said my piece about him further down the page. But then I have also mentioned him many times before as an alternative to the likes of Coleman or Clyne. I first mentioned him probably about a year ago, or at least that's when he really came onto my radar.

07 Jul 2015 16:35:28
I don't want to slate darmian before he's played for us. I haven't seen that much of him but what I have I can't say he's head and shoulders better than Rafael even if I'm a little bias as I rate Rafael. I can't believe that Darmian was a first choice for right back but maybe I'm wrong. Italians have been hit and miss in the premier league. The last one we signed didn't pull up any tree's. Taibi.lol. The premier league is a different pace to the italian league and personallly I think clyne or Coleman would've been better as no settling to the league needed. As I keep saying lvg knows what he's doing. I think.

07 Jul 2015 17:46:31
If his statistics in the last few seasons are anything to go by, at least he'll be on the pitch rather than the treatment table, which already puts him head and shoulders above Rafael .
I would have liked to see things go well for Rafael but he's more than had his chance at this stage

07 Jul 2015 15:47:58
With us letting go some homegrown players cleverley, potentially Rafael and Evans. Can you see united going in for some homegrown players to make up the difference e.g. Kane. Or will there be players stepping up from the under 21s.

Opinions?

07 Jul 2015 15:59:45
I think Schneiderlin would count as homegrown if we got him

07 Jul 2015 16:00:18
Isnt there a different criteria for homegrown players being trained at your club for a number of years and homegrown players being trained at another club for a number of years?

So if we signed kane it would neccesarily compensate losing rafael or evans in terms of the homegrown quota

07 Jul 2015 16:15:37
Hopefully we will see a couple from the under 21's step up this season. Even if it isn't to replace the above mentioned players. Is expect to see a bit more of McNair and Periera this season with Blackett also. Hopefully Wilson will get plenty of game time out on loan or stay here and get game time.

In terms of homegrown players to sign, who's available and who would you want? Schneiderlin is classed as homegrown I think, don't know if someone is able to confirm this?

Can't think of too many homegrown players we've been linked with other than Kane. I'd still have Benzema in front of him though. Maybe James McCarthy as a second CM after Schneiderlin or if we are buying a second CB after Ramos or Otamendi I'd throw some money at Everton for Stones because he looks like a great player in the making.

07 Jul 2015 16:48:31
Read some callum gribbon will be given a chance on tour if that's any help

07 Jul 2015 16:28:21
Ross Barkley is homegrown as is Berahino. Both unlikely to be fair.

07 Jul 2015 15:23:09
To those slating our potential new right back, "He featured in the Serie A Team of the Year 2014" & "In early 2015 he was awarded with the Pallone Azzurro as the best player of the national team for 2014".

Now I know the Italian league and international team aren't the forces of old, but it would suggest, for a 24 year old playing for a smaller Serie A team, he's pretty decent.

Like myself, I'm guessing none of you have seen that much of him. His name has never been mentioned on here until recently, so I'm guessing only the geeks like Shappy and Jose would have heard of him :)

Let's maybe give him the benefit of the doubt, until he actually plays a few games for us, eh? Then you can rip him to bits.

07 Jul 2015 15:40:19
Cant argue with that.

07 Jul 2015 16:23:06
I bet the lad would really feel lifted by the 'support' he's getting from some of the posters on this site. If this indifference is reflected in the 76,000 at OT then he's doomed before he's even kicked a ball.

Noucamp . good post but you say we should 'maybe' give him the benefit of the doubt, we should definitely give him the benefit of the doubt. Nothing shameful about get behind your players and team.

07 Jul 2015 16:40:33
I must have missed all these posts slagging him off?

What do people expect, everyone to be jumping for joy because we may have signed a right back that most of us have seen play less than 5 times?

It's come a bit out of nowhere so I hardly think being a little dubious/cautious is unreasonable, especially when we have Rafael being shipped out for this guy. People are rightly asking "who is this guy and is he Utd quality?".

Good luck to him and I'll keep my eye out for all those fans crucifying him before a ball is kicked!

07 Jul 2015 17:24:05
Beast, this is poor by your usual standards, mate. Maybe we've been reading different banter sites. I didn't realise every player we sign had to be a 'worldie' to get you's and other's acceptance.

Charlatan - I agree. I was being sarky.

07 Jul 2015 18:06:10
I best most people had never seen vidic or evra, solsljaer or Schmeichel or many others play.

I don't know a lot about the guy bit let's give him.a chance. Aa for Rafael yes he's a likeable guy and he had great season two years ago but he's just too injury prone

07 Jul 2015 18:23:56
Regardless of how often we have seen him I'm sure he has been extensively scouted, he is a main stay for a nation that has a record of making wonderful defenders and he will cost under £ 13mil I cannot see a downside here! And as far as we know he could well be number 1 target for that position, we know absolutely nothing about what's going on behind the scenes or who our top targets are.

07 Jul 2015 18:43:37
Noucamp - Don't get me wrong here mate, I just don't see people slating him that much. I like the sound of this Darmian to be honest having read all the posts, but I think some people are expecting us to be cheering from the rooftops otherwise it's being negative.

I think LVG will do much better with lesser known players as it happens, because they don't have such an ego and he can turn them into the robots he needs. Look at what he did with Valencia, Young and Fellaini. So I'm all up for buying these "below the radar" players, but they don't get the typical Utd fan excited and fair enough.

He has my 100% support, like 99.9% of our fans would give him imo.

07 Jul 2015 14:27:25
Amazing how everyone seems happy with darmain, when Woodward and Co said they had an a list, b list and then probably a c list it's become clear for the rb position they needed to go to the d list!!! Darmain, noone ever heard of him and clearly we were scared of attempting to prize Coleman away and fail like we did with baines. Coleman wasn't 'flavour of the month' as some people think. He was one of the best right backs in the league for the last 2 or more seasons. Proven PL quality

07 Jul 2015 14:36:56
Whats your point Pep?

07 Jul 2015 14:37:52
Pep,

Any maybe we were met with a 'not for sale'. Then what do you do? Go to the next on the list, I can't say I know much about Darmain but what I do know is that he will have been scouted by United scouts and they have seen something in him. Just because you don't know him doesn't mean he isn't good, or are you pig headed enough to think you know every good player in the world?

From what I have read he is somewhat of a fan favourite over there, hard worker, rarely makes mistakes, very good defensively and a great engine going forward, decent price tag for a full back allowing us to spend money in other areas and I do love a signing out of nowhere like a Solskjaer or a Vidic, some of our best players are players like that, so maybe wait to see him play before you complain??

07 Jul 2015 14:39:05
You are one negative guy an just make up stuff. Do you have such a list and where do you get the idea that he was option D. One thing Italy does better than anyone else is producing world class defenders year after year so don't get the rant.

07 Jul 2015 14:42:47
I think "people being happy with darmian" are just the majority of people willing to give him a chance because they haven't seen enough of him to say definitively if he's a good or bad signing

Its pretty harsh to rate him as a "d list" signing or not of "united quality" without even letting him put on the jersey lol

How many of our best signings have been players that weren't well renowned such as solsjkaer, vidic, park

07 Jul 2015 14:47:15
I don't know if he's coming to United or not but that is a bit too negative. As reports suggest Bayern were also in for him and if he signs for them then you would come out and say he might have been a good player but if we sign him then he was on the d list.

07 Jul 2015 14:49:26
I tend to agree Pep. We looked at Alves (a player who has won every prize at the top level), but he signed a new contract at Barca. Then we looked at Coleman (one of the best right backs in the league), but Everton wanted a lot of money. So we turned our attention to Darmain, a star at a mid-table Italian club.

From what I've seen he's a decent player. But is he better than Clyne, let alone Coleman? I don't think so. We need a consistent rb to add stability. Instead we have worked our way down to a player who will take time to adapt to the EPL, and even then may struggle. What I've read about Darmain's strengths is that he is physically strong, quick and has a very good engine. His failings are that he is often positionally suspect and lacks a consistent final ball. Remind you of anyone?

07 Jul 2015 14:50:23
First choice for Italy, versatile, good age and a good price. He has had interest from other top clubs like bayern, I think it will be a great signing if it happens. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he's not any good, give the lad a chance he hasn't even signed yet.

07 Jul 2015 14:58:48
Just the response I was waiting for! If I'm negative overall compared to some posters then my word we are a negative bunch. Everytime I've tried to be positive I get grief for being naieve. Remember I'm the poster who wanted to think that players sign because we are manchester united, not for money! Is that not positive? Anyway end of the day well for being positive about him but I think standards are dropping here, simple as!

07 Jul 2015 15:06:48
Clyne was seen as too short. Darmian has height and can defend corners and freekicks well.

07 Jul 2015 15:07:16
I don't know much about this guy, but as others have said we have been fortunate in the past with unfamiliar names. Although Vidic, Evra and Solskjaer was a heck of a long time ago, the list of unfamiliar names that turned out to be flops is 20 X longer in recent years! And familiar names for that matter.

I'll give everyone a chance, but if he is coming this cheap and has flown under the radar in this social and rubbish media led world I am optimistically cautious.

If I had to put money on it I would say Rafael (HG player) will be the one talked about more than Darmian in 3 years time, but hopefully not.

07 Jul 2015 15:10:55
My bet is that 75% of people on here didn't have a clue about Darmian 2 weeks ago (me included).
Give the guy a chance I say, it ain't a big transfer fee so its worth the risk.

07 Jul 2015 15:14:06
Pepgiggs have u actually watched the player?, because what u have posted further down the page seems u haven't n it seems u r just pissed that we have signed some one u did not know much about, which means he is mediocre according to u.

Danny funny choice of words there " star at a midtable club " i don't recall coleman beong any different from that, i agree with your assesment of the player with a few differences that i don't think he is positionally suspect as u put it, yes he makes a few mistakes but then which defender doesn't, i agree with u about he being more defensive than an attacking fb but i would go as far as saying that he is better at defending than clyne an to an extent even coleman, attacking wise he below clyne and well below coleman.
If given a choice i would go for coleman over darmian but do u think that 30mn or so everton would want for coleman is fair price bcz at that price i would say is way overrated to be any where near 30mn.

We must remember that he first choice for italy, if u r first choice for a team like italy u must be doing something good

07 Jul 2015 15:19:55
We haven't even signed him yet and the bashing has already begun. Its quite embarrassing actually. I haven't seen much of Darmian apart from his excellent performance against England at the World Cup. He is first choice for Italy and generally Italian defenders seem to be very good. He is tall and has pace which will definitely help him in the EPL.

As for us "working down the list" what do you expect us to do? Alves clearly was looking for a new contract which he got and had little interest in moving to us. Ed002 has repeatedly told us that Coleman is our preferred target but is "not for sale" and there is little you can do about that. Coleman is also suspect defensively. Clyne is decent but I won't shed any tears over not signing him and I have read reports that Van Gaal decided against going for him and his first choice was indeed United ahead of Liverpool.

If we do sign Darmian, how about we give him a chance, support him, see how he does and then make a judgement? I seem to remember us signing a certain Nemanja Vidic who wasn't an "A list" defender by any means and he did just fine. Same with Evra.

07 Jul 2015 15:21:27
Not every player we sign has to be a world class player already, that's what scouts are for, unbelievable.

07 Jul 2015 15:24:07
I saw him play once in friendly against England . He played pretty well on the night but hard to judge a player on one game ,especially a friendly .
But it's amazing the amount of people here writing him off , reckoning he's not as good as Clyne or Coleman etc when they've seen little or nothing of him apart from YouTube or a write up on some blog

07 Jul 2015 15:29:49
One good point made above about his height and the fact we leaked goals from set pieces. Fair enough. Like I said u r all happy to give him a chance, clearly the only thing we can do and someone said they are happy we have a proper right back at the club, we do Rafael and Zidane favourite loanee oh and valencia who will probably still play at right back now

07 Jul 2015 14:51:06
ed 4 u have said about darmain long back can u explain wat kind of player he his and do u rate him higher then cylne and coleman if u have time .thx

{Ed004's Note - I haven't seen enough of him but reading around and he seems a very good potential signing.}

07 Jul 2015 16:09:01
We Must have been chasing for a little while as apparently we had 3 rejected bids.

07 Jul 2015 16:12:39
The difference between Coleman and Darmain, moyes, is that Coleman is a proven EPL defender. Darmain may prove a great signing, but is completely untested in the EPL, and the one thing we need defensively next season is some stability.

Next season we will most likely have a new keeper, a new cb and a new rb. It's pretty much assured that our new cb will be new to EPL, and now our it appears that our rb will be too. That means that we will have two defenders trying to adjust to the league and LVG (who is hardly the easiest guy to play for). I worry about our defence when they'll have to spend the first few months trying to develop an understanding.

As for the height thing. Alves is smaller than Clyne and it wasn't an issue, and Coleman is only an inch bigger (he he he). But seriously, it does look like he was third on our list, and he is a dangerous gamble when we need defenders who can hit the ground running.

07 Jul 2015 18:04:30
Not often danny pughunited agrees with me ;)

07 Jul 2015 18:36:02
Why Do some think that Darmien is on the lower list. for,all we know he might have been first choice and moves have been going on behind the scenes.
No one but the club knoe who we are after. the fans have there views and it can change daily, the papers have there view and it does change daily.
Until Sept we won't know who has come in and left only then should we judge the club and what signings we have.

07 Jul 2015 14:26:51
I AM KLOOT

Please enlighten us with your views on the POGBA situation, why did he leave?

07 Jul 2015 14:40:39
Money and ego

07 Jul 2015 15:00:22
My guess is because he wouldn't use Alex Fergusons agent friend.

07 Jul 2015 19:09:59
That's what I reckon Kloot is getting at, Herbie. I think one of the Ed's may have even mentioned it at some point.

{Ed004's Note - that is apparently the reason}

07 Jul 2015 20:17:14
Many a theory but my favourite one is that Sir Alex F**ked up.

07 Jul 2015 13:22:31
Seems like we will start the pre season with Schneiderlin and Darmain.
So now Depay and Darmain in what will happen to Young, Mata and Valencia?
Will Carrick be benched for Schneiderlin?

07 Jul 2015 13:27:18
Don't forget we have far more game this year, squad players will be few and far between, think we'll see a lot more of Januzaj if he stays. This is all if we qualify mind.

07 Jul 2015 13:27:34
I've got a feeling Mata will be sold.

07 Jul 2015 13:38:22
Carrick will never be benched if fit

07 Jul 2015 13:41:09
I think Mata could be sold.

Would anyone take a Mata/Otamendi straight swap?

07 Jul 2015 13:41:51
Valencia will be second choice right back and Rafael will be sold. Depay, Di Maria, Young and Mata will rotate with Di Maria and Depay being first choice and Schneiderlin will share the number 6 and probably also play slightly further forward depending on who else we sign.

07 Jul 2015 13:48:02
fresh i play mata over di maria atleast he not cry baby and he partnership with Herrera works great for me di maria is my 4 th choice

07 Jul 2015 13:59:08
Fresh, don't forget the young lad who is back from Real. i think he will make a play for game time next year based on reports.

07 Jul 2015 12:51:43
So, for weeks all people have done is whine about no signings, now it looks like we might have agreed a fee for an Italian international RB, and people are still whining. Everything I have heard has been positive about him, yet because it isn't Coleman or another flavour of the month, he isn't United quality. Give it a rest you bunch of numpties!

Also, at least Kloots reappearance will distract from the usual transfer window bulls**t, I may last the whole summer this year!

07 Jul 2015 13:00:58
Skysports bit reliable, reporting deal agreed 12.7m. He was a target for Galatasary, Fiorentina and Napoli according to sky.

07 Jul 2015 13:18:19
If the prices quoted are correct it could be a bargain for a full international Italian defender.

07 Jul 2015 13:33:35
Wayne, aren't they the clubs that are interested in Rafa?

07 Jul 2015 13:58:48
My bad. I read that wrong Nathaniel. You are right those clubs are interested in Rafael .

07 Jul 2015 14:26:30
dean 1210
totally agree but also the bonus of his age- if he fulfills his potential he could become a defensive legend

07 Jul 2015 12:34:10
Darmian seems to be moving quickly, alleged 12.4 million deal agreed

07 Jul 2015 11:25:32
Sky Italia reporting we have agreed a fee of £12.7 million for Darmian sounds believable given other reports coming out today that the two clubs are close in a fee. A 6ft versatile Italian International for a couple million pound less than Clyne, seems like a good deal

07 Jul 2015 12:47:25
Can't complain about us signing a champions league winning right back, I suppose. I still prefer Rafael though - and would rather we'd gone for Clyne.

07 Jul 2015 13:22:02
Who has he won the Champions league with??

07 Jul 2015 13:26:46
Redseven
He made 1 appearance in the league and 1 appearance in the Italian cup in 06/07, no appearances in the champions league.
He had 1 appearance in 07/08 in the Italian cup and in 08/09 he had 3 appearances in the league for Milan. He has never played in the champions league and has 17 appearances in the Europa league (4 for Palermo 10/11 and 13 for Torino 14/15). Hardly a champions league winning right back lol.

07 Jul 2015 13:26:59
why go for clyne when valencia had better stats than him at rb last year. this darmian looks decent.

07 Jul 2015 15:16:23
To be fair the lad does have a Champions League winners medal

07 Jul 2015 17:01:39
Simonpw - I thought it would have been quite obvious that my Champions League winning comment was something of a joke - although as he was in the squad he technically does have a winners medal despite not having played a single game.

zGAZx - if you think that Valencia is a better right back than Clyne then I have very little interest in any of your other thoughts or opinions on football - as you're quite clearly clueless!

07 Jul 2015 10:19:54
Alleged deal agreed with Tornio Darmain, €20m, very good bit of business if true. Well done woody lad.

07 Jul 2015 11:23:39
Not seen him play. Any good going forward?

07 Jul 2015 11:52:39
Other than the odd clip I've only ever seen him play twice, one game he looked brilliant going forward but lacked a final ball, the other he absolutely tore England and new one in the WC down the left hand side. Either way, anything is an improvement on Valenica at full back, harsh considering I like the lad.

07 Jul 2015 09:21:29
My guess on what Hargreaves and other Anti-United pundits will say about United's new look team during a analysis at the start of next season, even if we signed Ramos, otamendi, darmain, Schneiderlin, benzema, depay.

"Defensively they are Ok, but no where near Chelsea or city. Will Mourinho swap Cahill for Ramos? not in a million years for me. Aguero or Costa are little troubled by that defense" -
Don Hutchinson

"In midfield Carrick, Schneiderlin, Herrera have no chance, no chance against Matic or Yaya they will just destroy that United midfield.

"Depay, I hugely doubt United's new recruitments"

"Rooney and Benzema, yes they look good on paper but from where do they get ammunition from?

"Average every where. This is the new reality they have to face.If United finish fourth this campaign then all I can say will be they punched above their weight, City are the biggest in Manchester without a shadow of doubt. I travelled with City for their pre-season tour to Australia all I saw in the stadium was blue, blue, blue with few Real madrid fans here and there. City are a big global brand way ahead of United"
- Hargreaves

"It is clear that Chelsea and City will fight for title, Arsenal a guaranteed third, Teams like United, Liverpool, Southampton, spurs fighting for fourth. I can see liverpool are way too strong for the chasing pack.If and only If United sign Bale they have a fighting chance for fourth spot" - Townsend

"Why Bale choose United over Chelsea or City?"
-Hargreaves

"Yeah, I agree with owen and andy on that. Chelsea and City are a million miles ahead of United, Even Arsenal are a quarter of million miles ahead" - Don Hutchinson

07 Jul 2015 10:24:15
Fantastic. I fill like kicking traitor Hargreaves every time he speaks.

07 Jul 2015 10:32:32
Its a big shame that these idiots get paid for their nonsense logic. I still remember nonE of the pundits had us getting into top 4 this season.

07 Jul 2015 11:26:22
He is very bitter and blames our physics and advice for ruining his knee and career. Complete tool if you ask me.

07 Jul 2015 11:37:38
If the club made him play according to different physics, then I think he might have a point.

07 Jul 2015 13:08:22
lol physician i meant.

07 Jul 2015 13:21:40
Most of the time city's own stadium is rarely filled with"blue,blue,blue" Hargreaves is a clown of the highest order.

07 Jul 2015 09:09:13
It bugs me that folk are perplexed that LVG has not delivered on his promise of 'getting them in early before the tour'.

How many promises did he deliver on last season? Remember he promised fluid attacking football and that the players would understand 'the philosophy' in a couple of months? In fact did he not promise the title at one point?

So the moral of the story is don't get your knickers in a knot over a shameless liars false promises.

07 Jul 2015 09:42:57
Well, lvg doesn't do the negotiations.

07 Jul 2015 09:57:39
JMB - totally agree, it's like this cat has 99 lives when it comes to spinning the BS. We all 'want' to believe him but he is just winging it.

At the start he would at least come out after a game and tell the truth about the performances, then half way through the season he started seeing things that weren't happening because he was worried for his job. Desperate people say and do desperate things. Instead of working on his plans for his season I wouldn't be surprised if most of his time is spent working on pithy comments for his press conferences and the myriad of excuses that will be forthcoming.

These contracts for existing players should have been wrapped up months ago. We were competing for nothing and our time now could be spent negotiating the vital transfers we need and getting them in with the group preparing for what is going to be a very hard and long season. We were unfit and under prepared all season, we have more games next season and vital qualifiers early on - I'm very very concerned, we can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

07 Jul 2015 10:23:55
Still banging on with your agenda I see JMB. Since when was the manager responsible for transfer negotiations?
At least come up with an arguement that if factually correct.

I was going to say that you Beast and the returning Kloot will make a nice little threesome. But for Christs sake don't tell Kloot where you are posting from. Fans from Cheshire get crucified , so someone in Australia thinking he knows it all?
Good luck 😊

07 Jul 2015 10:25:24
Oh , there we go. A post from Beast "agreeing with everything you say".
My my , what a surprise.

07 Jul 2015 10:39:33
I get the felling some here get more satisfaction is seeing us fail than succeed. Last season is over and new season and lots of optimism as far as I am concerned.

07 Jul 2015 10:41:38
Lol Betty

07 Jul 2015 10:47:40
Actually Betty I was referring to the fans who have constantly complained about the managers statement of getting the players in before pre-season.

Where did I state he handles the negotiations? The guy couldn't even handle a £57million player correctly so I have no doubt he is not anywhere near the negotiation table. All I am saying is why make a statement to the fans when you know it's not in your power to upheld?

As for where I am posting from, what difference does that make? I apologise for not wanting to live my only life in the dreary surroundings of Manchester but I fly thousands of miles and pay thousands of my hard earned dollars to see as many games live as possible during the season. I get up at unjustifiable times to watch our team (which screws up my days big time) and I have in the past paid out my arse for tickets to big games such as CL finals etc. I would class myself as more of a fan than a lot of Mancunians to be honest.

I also apologise on Beast's behalf for having his own opinion. I know guys like you don't like that.

07 Jul 2015 10:48:39
i sometimes wonder if beast and jmb are the same person.

BEAST how do you know we haven't been negotiating for VITAL TRANSFERS, this isn't football manager where you wrap up a player within a few days.

JMB - another typical post, whinging and moaning like a child who's had his toys taken away, the tour hasn't even started yet has it? so unless your magic crystal ball has told you we aren't signing anyone i think you should stop getting your knickers in a twist.

07 Jul 2015 11:11:01
SPB - I don't know who we have been negotiating for etc. BUT I do know that the manager needs a lot of time with player in order to get them on his wave length, he said he wants and expects business to be done early so we have a full pre-season. Has that happened? If PSG hadn't come in for Depay I bet we would still be "negotiating" that deal as well.

It's funny how JMB and I get this "same person" tag, yet we don't say "spb, IMBS and Betty could be the same person because they disagree with JMB", we just happen to hold similar views on a lot of the issues facing our club, I am sure there will be many things we have differences on, but at the moment JMB is one of the posters on here that call a spade a spade in my eyes.

GCU - All of us want to do well, but voicing our concerns doesn't mean we want them to happen, it just looks like we are plodding along and not learning from previous mistakes. Just like how LVG would say the team didn't perform well, then start the exact same team for the following game with the exact same negative format. Banging heads on brick walls.

07 Jul 2015 11:13:23
Oh - and since when is the "tour" the start of pre-season? Those goal posts move more than the BS coming out of LVG.

07 Jul 2015 11:18:49
Keep going JMB , you may even convince yourself one day. It is obvious for all to see what you were implying , so no point in back tracking.
As for where you live , you are missing the point. Seeing as you are the all knowing oracle on this site , I thought you would understand what I was referring to.
ie Kloots opinion on fans that live further than length of gnats knacker bag from Old Trafford.

07 Jul 2015 11:31:55
Spb is LVG your dad? You seem to stick up for him no matter what.

Are you and GDS the same person?

07 Jul 2015 11:57:51
Beast
I'm not even disagreeing with you completely. What's your deal?

07 Jul 2015 11:59:05
Betty you actually seen what you wanted to see and thought you would jump down my throat but if that's what makes you happy I am pleased to oblige. Betty I don't care for whomever Kloot is or his opinion on menial topics. I saw a post from him about LVG the other day which I agreed with but as you well know I probably will not agree with everything he says.

Beast - that's exactly right mate. At the moment we (among others) call a donkey as a donkey and others would call a donkey a stallion or a stallion a mare depending on how big the badwagon gets. Another valid point about the tour being the new preseason as well. It's just constant hypocrisy, quite funny actually.

07 Jul 2015 12:03:21
Even though I don't agree with Beast or JMB that often, this site would be a lot more boring without them.

07 Jul 2015 12:32:18
Because the manager negotiates transfer deals.

O no wait, that's Woodward and we all know he's useless.

07 Jul 2015 12:35:41
Back to the original point of bringing players in early.

Surely if we bring in darmian (who apparently we've agreed a fee for) and schneiderlin (who for all intents and purposes looks likely to move soon as well) along with depay then that seems like swift business to me

For me i'd think we would bring in 4/5 new players and to have signed one and close to two isn't too shabby.

07 Jul 2015 12:39:46
IMBS - I was just using you as an example as you had posted in the thread, could have been anybody. Actually your point is great because people tar with the same brush too easily. Apologies for any offence.

07 Jul 2015 13:03:54
Yeah JMB and Beast are the same person, either that or lovers. lol

07 Jul 2015 13:05:36
DSG - We suffered all season because of our CB issues, we play from the back and lack a leader back there. This is the most vital signing all summer, without the key organiser everything is stagnating.

Depay was only signed early because of PSG, why didn't we sign others early if that was the plan? Yes Woody is to blame, but LVG opens his trap and nothing but spin comes out.

07 Jul 2015 13:16:54
Beast

There is huge difference this year to last year as we have a settled squad that needs additions but they understand what LVG wants from them. Even if we started the season with predominantly players from last year i expect us to have a very good struts until the late arrivals can be bled in. I agree there is no excuses for a poor stet this year.

Our performance was great with Carrick in the team and we outplayed all the tope teams with the exception of the away win at Arsenal.

There is always a risk of missing out on high profile players and also the fact that it takes time to get them. Transfers between top clubs always take time.

Just for the sake of getting players early, no one will be happy if we went with option 3 because they are easier to get.

07 Jul 2015 13:30:20
JMB- he's not my dad i'm afraid, i just don't get all the slating, we understand you don't like the manager but how is it the manager's fault players are not signed yet?

you say he promised to get players in early, but he didn't say he WOULD DEFINITELY get them, he did say the club would TRY(theres a difference), so unless they are not trying at all to get any players then surely he has fulfilled his promise? "we will try get players in early"

beast - only depay has been bought but how is it the manager's fault that players have not been signed, your argument was that our time should have been spent on getting players in, but is it really that simple to say "lets go out and get this player, and that player"? especially as the season hadn't finished.

its not that simple it takes time, the window has been open 7 days and the usual doomers and gloomers ie you and jmb are already getting on the manager's back. when he has no control over the situation.(negotiations) but if i'm correct he did have a hand in getting depay otherwise he was off to psg,

the players have only been back 2 days, no ones knows what's going on regarding transfers, just because the manager said he wants to get players in early doesn't mean that is going to happen.

07 Jul 2015 13:31:01
Beast, i agree with you about the centre back and thought we would have signed hummels as soon as last season finished but it looks like he's happy to stay at dortmund or we have moved our interest on to others like otamendi (who has been at the copa america) and ramos(which has all the signs of a long running saga). Surely you can't blame lvg for either of those issues

And in terms of signing players early who is there out there that have been snapped up by other teams that were perceived targets for us

Only really clyne who we obviously didn't want and moved our interest elsewhere (most likely darmian)

07 Jul 2015 13:32:10
also to add JMB, i only stick up for the manager when he's getting slated for no reason, how can you blame the manager for the lack of transfer activity?

07 Jul 2015 13:38:40
Lol what's going on here then?

I'm pretty sure we aim to get our deals done early every year but it never happens. Its nothing new. Kloot used to blame it on the Glazer's trying to sell season tickets based on false promises.

07 Jul 2015 13:39:44
GCU - This season should be much better (could it be worse), but then if you switched the first 5 games with the last 5 games of last season there was no difference. We are about to add 5-6 players to the squad which is going to unsettle a lot, we may lose a keeper and we are going nowhere fast with the massive CB issue imo.

I agree we shouldn't just go for the easy option. But the reason we are struggling is that we overspent massively and now for any world class signing the seller is holding us over a barrel and the agent is expecting mega mega wages. We are suffering because of earlier mistakes. LVG should keep his trap shut and Woody needs replacing, too much damage.

If we replace Woody we can then make a big statement about not being held over a barrel anymore and it may mean we can actually sign top class players that our rivals would want rather than mid-level Italian teams.

The one thing LVG said is he needs players in early for pre-season - this hasn't happened. Getting his excuses lined up early if we start slow again or God forbid don't qualify for CL.

07 Jul 2015 14:03:51
preseason only started yesterday.

07 Jul 2015 14:25:08
That's the point SPB -

Boss - I would like you to be early for work today
Employee - Ok boss
Boss - Where were you, I specifically said I needed you in early?
Employee - I'm only a few minutes late
Boss - Fair enough, what I say doesn't matter!

Doesn't quite make sense does it.

07 Jul 2015 14:59:55
beast your way of subject now, how can you compare asking someone to be in early for work with million pound transfers?

it doesn't make sense when you suggest asking someone to come in early for work with making signings early.

07 Jul 2015 16:12:45
Yes it does. The manager says he wants and needs business done early, it hasn't been done for whatever reason, therefore the manager is weak and the people who are meant to be doing this job need replacing. Clients (us) are let down by incompetence.

All in all, we are being told one thing and another is happening time and time again if LVG can't deliver he needs to keep stum and kick off internally, not line up his excuses before a ball is kicked!

07 Jul 2015 08:45:37
it's being reported in a few papers that we will seal a 63m deal for Ramos after agreeing personal terms with him.

Now, if this is true, then we have really been made a fool of.

There is no way a 29 year old CB with two years on his contract is worth that much.

Id go as high as 40m and if not then go all out for Otamendi.

07 Jul 2015 09:58:56
I would normally laugh at this, but with our transfer philosophy of taking true value then adding 40% on top kind of makes this realistic. Woody needs to buy a better belt.

07 Jul 2015 10:12:46
I don't believe we have agreed to pay that. just the papers doing their usual BS.

07 Jul 2015 10:42:42
Yes you're right beast, Ed Woodward has no clue when it comes to money.

07 Jul 2015 11:28:53
Just bs in the papers. The only players that go for that sort of money are strikers

07 Jul 2015 12:12:35
It only works at around 45 million pounds and Woodward is probably work on that bases.

07 Jul 2015 06:58:52
Bild in Germany writing a very naughty story about buyern willing to give us robben, muller and money for adm!!!!! That would be very tempting. Personally I'd say No chance bur guessing all you adm haters would love that

07 Jul 2015 08:04:35
I'll drive him there myself

07 Jul 2015 08:17:36
There is no such story in Bild. It started from a fake twitter account and the national newspapers were gullible enough to report it as "according to Bild".

07 Jul 2015 08:26:07
Pep. I read the rumour. And if correct, I'll be in the car with "whoAte" and hand him over. Robben and muller will create more and be more useful in 90 mins than adm was all season last year.
Bite their hands off.

07 Jul 2015 08:49:21
I don't think Robben would be sold at Bayern. He is 31 but has shown no signs of stopping and is a goal threat.

07 Jul 2015 08:53:10
Well it's clearly not true As no way buyern would see muller and robben as less than 60million together. Obviously all the adm haters would wish it was true. I personally think adm is going to be our best player next year and will win us a lot of game when fully fit

07 Jul 2015 09:01:39
"ADM Hater" or not you would be stupid to turn that down. Even the best version of ADM in his whole career doesn't outweigh a robben n muller combo plus cash!

07 Jul 2015 09:14:20
Pep are you on drugs. Muller is one of the top five players and the world and he would rather stick with 'can't trap a ball', 'can't nail a tackle' and 'can't pass five yards' ADM?

All Bayern would offer us though is some sausages and Cheese for Di Maria. Pep Guardiola knows he isn't clever enough for his side.

07 Jul 2015 09:38:49
I second that! I'm not an ADM hater at all. In fact I'm the opposite, but you simply couldn't turn that down I don't think. I think Muller is over rated but you still can't turn that deal down

07 Jul 2015 10:00:01
I'd rather Shaqiri than ADM so I suppose I'm biased.

07 Jul 2015 10:24:38
Shakira. : )

07 Jul 2015 10:37:05
Shakira would be a double bonus, it would Pique my interest, that's for sure!

07 Jul 2015 12:34:03
Muller is not over rated

07 Jul 2015 12:34:45
Jmb, currywurst and Bavarian smoked cheese? I'd take it.

07 Jul 2015 12:47:07
I like ADM, but I would take Muller and cash any day of the week, no need to add Robben, but a bonus if he was. That said, the report is a load of old b******s!

07 Jul 2015 16:14:01
I'd buy ADM a currywurst and Bavarian smoked cheese - get a decent meal in you man!