Manchester United Banter Archive October 07 2014

 

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07 Oct 2014 23:02:18
Somewhere between the two stories, that's where you'll find the truth.

Roy Keane was a great player for us and a great leader on the pitch. He help get that extra 10% from players that so often pushed us over the line.

Himself a few times he crossed that line, intentionally going out to injury a fellow player is never exceptable.

But who he is off the pitch well that will depend on who you are to him as much as who he is to you.

Remember everything he puts into his book he does purely to sell more copies. And it is only one half of the story and no doubt written to cast the best possible light on the protagonist.

Roy Keane was a great player, he is a poor manager, and his character is questionalbe to say the lest.

Lets remember him for what he's done and take his current actions and utterancies with the pinch of salt they so deserve.

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Funny how when he left, Keano's midlife crisis started so to did our midfield crisis lol. A lot on here seem to take offence to what he says and it is unfortunate that he and the godfather fell out but don't see how any of this can taint his reputation amongst our support. We all loved the fire in his belly when he played and if he upset people in his prime we all backed him to the hilt. Am sure if we could have a 25yr old version back now, warts and all, everyone would have him back in a heartbeat. It's not that they don't make them like Keano anymore, they never made like that before him either. A complete one off. Ronny was the best footballer Fergie had but keane was his greatest player. Don't let a book cloud that fact.

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07 Oct 2014 18:52:28
So Danny murphy thinks there's no way we'll make top 4 and we'll get get found out soon enough. He also says Everton might finish above us. Haha I could almost feel the hate

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I think we've already been "found out" by Leicester and after that we have had 2 jittery wins.

What mattered in the 2 wins is that we held on to our lead till the end (albeit unconvincingly)

The only direction we can go now is upwards and if we get 2 decent results against Chelsea and City I think that should set up the season for us. Mind you, it will be difficult but not impossible.

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07 Oct 2014 20:44:52
You must have been listening to talksh!te Colin " I must mention Liverpool ten times an hour " Murray

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07 Oct 2014 23:01:14
Haha who the hell can find us out? We can't even find ourselves out. The season is long, things can only improve. People are a bit naive if they think what we've shown so far is the best or the most we can do, baring in mind most our staring XI are new faces.

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07 Oct 2014 18:02:07
The whole Roy Keane uproar on here is focusing too much on the bad things in the book. How bad this?

"I still have that soft spot for United, and thank God I do. I took my son to the Champions League final, between Bayern and Dortmund, at Wembley, in 2013. He was going on about different teams, and I asked him, 'Which team do you support?'
He said, 'United.'
He would have known I still had that little bit of resentment.
So I said, 'Why do you support United?'
And he said, 'Well, I was born in Manchester and I'm not going to support City, am I?'
I said, 'Okay.'
That was a good enough reason. And I thought to myself, 'I'd better get us some season tickets.'
We went to see them recently, and I was going, 'Come on---!'
F**kin Hell, Come on!
I want them to do well."

His beef is with Fergie, not the club. He loves United just as much as when he was guiding us to Barcelona in 1999. He's red.

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G.A.G.U.S., he's made his choice. His nice comments don't negate his psychotic negative comments. Legend that he is, he is now a bitter ex player who can't move on. Some of what he says should never have made the public domain. I know I'll get grief for this but it lessens him in my eyes, great player, flawed character.

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Tony, I understand where you are coming from. I genuinely wanted to know your views on SAF's book that brought some of the dressing room stuff out in the open along with a few sly digs at a few Ex United players.

Deeps.

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People really do put players on a pedestal.
I don't care if kean and fergy didn't get on etc etc.
the bloke was a top player and give everything on the pitch for united and the club, a large part of our success and one of the best players to where the shirt.

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AJH

I don't want to start a childish argument, but Fergie started it with his book.

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Not sure if the old posts go far back enough but I stated I wouldn't be buying his book either for the same reasons. SAF also, let the side down in his desire for another quick book.

In terms of heroes, there have been a few who remain unblemished. Charlton, Law, Buchan, Coppell, Robson, Whiteside, Cantona, Hughes, Bruce, Giggs, Scholes. Flawed in their own way but never disrespectful to the club or their collegeagues.

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07 Oct 2014 23:03:42
Books eh? What are they good for. Not like any of it would have been said behind a microphone or camera.

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Fergie did a fantastic job for utd but just like some are saying keane tainted his image so did fergie.fergie is one of the main reasons the glazers are in control and still here.without him on side they would never of succeeded, i also think in earlier years we didn't have the money to invest in new players and fergie kept trotting out the no value tripe.but most of all as much as i respect fergie for what he did for utd i can never forgive him for his court battle with the 2 irish lads over the rock of gibralta, ultimately it led to the irish lads selling to the glazers and it was all about greed on fergies part and brought utd into disrepute.

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Amidst our disagreements, there is something in the book that all of us would agree with. The bit about Savage is just pure gold.

Deeps.

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07 Oct 2014 17:21:08
Ed001

Sorry for the delayed reply as i have been travelling quite bit. If you are around next week we should grab a drink at Somewhere in new Dubai. My treat.

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{Ed001's Note - is that the one by Deira City Centre? I will be around except on Friday, as Fridays are spent in Abu Dhabi with the girlfriend's family.}

I was hoping on this side of town where new dubai is. DCC is old Dubai and I used to have my office right across from it:)

Trader Vix in Madinat is not a bad place. Tuesday 6.30 ish?

I am hoping that I can steer you in the right direction and get you to support a proper red team:)

Best

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{Ed001's Note - hahaha I thought you meant the building 'Somewhere' right by Deira City Centre! I live in JLT at the moment, so this end is better for me too. Trader Vic's is fine with me, but no chance of changing team!}

Done see you at 6.30 next Tuesday.

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08 Oct 2014 16:16:50
Have fun you two, very exciting, which one of you is paying and will you be going back to GCU's for the night cap?

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{Ed001's Note - I was wondering if I should wear sexy underwear or not? ;o)}

Ed 001, is Bond giving you company? If yes, you would better .

Deeps.

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07 Oct 2014 16:31:21
This controversy about Roy Keane's book is total nonsense. Of course it will be outspoken and controversial, who is going to buy a book that is full of happy and really dull stories. Keane has written this book to sell it and at the end of the day, it needs to have something interesting in it.

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Is there anything in the book about his mediocre career post Manchester United?

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07 Oct 2014 11:33:07
People moaning about Keane. well, it's his book, it'd not like he's coming out and saying these things.

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07 Oct 2014 13:22:56
Is putting it in a book not exactly the same as saying them? He wrote the book. He is basically getting paid to give his opinion rather than just say it, isn't that worse.

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07 Oct 2014 15:09:00
of course it is different. it's not like he's just gone to some newspaper and wanted to have a go.

Somebody has obviously came up to him and paid to hear about his career.
What should he do, miss out all the bits about SAF and United?

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Dont know what the issue i read his other book it was a good read

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I love Keanohh, he has always spoken his mind. I think Fergie is treated like a demi-god(not that I have a problem with), which certainly puts Roy down. He says what a lot of us say. He is bold, not diplomatic and has cojones, like it or not. People are ok with Scholes coming out with whatever he does these days only because he has never said a word against Fergie. That IMO is the only difference. Anyone who thinks Keane doesn't love the club needs to get his/her head a wobble. Bitter? Oh yes he is, but only out of the love for our club. How can people not see that?

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Ultimately, Roy Keane wants to sell his book. He isn't just writing a book to sell a nice story. The more controversial, the more press coverage it will get which will mean more book sales.

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07 Oct 2014 06:07:36
Banter please.

Hi Eds
Great job you all have been doing. Kudos.

I would like to point out that whilst we are in the process of building the team now and that we would like to sign world class players, I feel that we should be more objective about those players coming hereon. More importantly, we need to be mindful that we do not have too many games this season and is a good time to start building. However, we MUST only buy players (world class or not) who will fit the schedules we will be up against next season should we qualify fro CL. Bear in mind that if we qualify, we will need more players to rotate and/or stand in for injuries/fatigue.

In that aspect, we will not have to spend unnecessarily even though we have tons of money to spare. It will be more of buying smartly than quantity. Should we qualify for CL, I am sure it will change a lot of people's opinion about us and attract more world class players without an arm and a leg. We would then have shown to people that we have come a long way.

That said, I still feel that we need to buy at least 1-2 to add on to the back. By then, we will know at least our first XI will be a solid one (give & take injuries). It would then be a good time to start thinking about who we still need to add for next season.

What do you guys think?

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I don't think we should sign players without an arm and a leg.

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07 Oct 2014 17:17:35
If a player is good enough their lack of limbs shouldn't be a problem.

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06 Oct 2014 23:52:20
Guys, i loved roy Keane when he was playing at United. But am i the only one who is tired of him ranting on about our club and sir Alex. Keano, please do us a favour and give it a break.

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{Ed007's Note - Behave yourself!!! (punch) Keane is the greatest sportsman to have ever walked on this Earth, he's allowed to do whatever he wants.}

Nomidfield

Without Keane we might not have won all we did. . If their was anyone in the current crop of UTD players then we might be still the team to beat. I am quite certain I am not the only 1 to say that Roy gave 100% in 99% of games he played and played for the team not the salary. He stood up for GN against Viera, Gave Shearer a wicked time and done what any decent player would do. HE PROUDLY WORE OUR JERSEY. So ok he had a rant at bit part players. Was SAF right to get rid. . NO HE WAS NOT. look at what Wayne has done and he is still here.

If Roy Keane was English he would be a God in your eyes NMF. I hope Roy comes back to Utd as a Manager or Assistant.

just for clarity can any of the Eds please detail out RK wages at Utd and the rise after Bayern came knockin.

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Roy Keane was a great player - that's it. Since he left United his career has been a catalog of inadequacy, poor behaviour, irrationality, and lack of success. He is a loud mouth embarrassment to his profession.

Don't take the bait!! Don't read any article with his name attached to it, and if you must, don't comment on it.

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However great a player he was, pea has it about right. And what's with the Father Christmas beard?

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Posted my last comment before reading the latest extracts. Keane is sharing stuff that should stay in the dressing room. I'm sure we are all interested but he is breaking so many confidences - how can teams function f they think everything they ever say will end up in public. He's out of order

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07 Oct 2014 09:02:19
Lost my respect years ago I have to say. Yes when he was here he gave absolutely everything on the pitch, but as a person he is a c*ck, plain and simple. That tackle on Alf-Inge Haaland was the beginning of the end for me tbh. To do that to a fellow professional went so far over the line, the line was a dot, City player or not. Since leaving football he has been embarrassing and I'd want him no where near our club now.

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Brendan, Ajh and Peashooter I agree with all of you.

Roy Keane has gone from a legend of united to a really bitter ex united player that when ever he gets a chance at Sir Alex or Man Utd to write or speak bad stuff about.

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The world is full of jobsworths and sheep. Roy Keane may not always be right but he is a leader and has the balls to say what he thinks.

Roy just says out loud what a lot of people whisper in dark alleys or secretly think but are two faced - I admire him both as a footballer and as a man, even if he is occasionally wrong in my view. But at least I know what his views are, too much pussyfooting now across the board, too many people want to be liked by Joe Average rather than respected for their integrity.

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07 Oct 2014 10:16:42
I had the 'pleasure' to meet Roy when I was a lot younger and it is true that you should never meet your heroes. What a player but an absolutely horrible person.

For me, this does not make him any less of a legend at the club, and sometimes to be a top sportsman and have that winning mentality that set you apart from the rest you have to not be a very nice person.

The stuff he is coming out with now is just to sell a book, maybe Villa aren't paying him as much as he hoped, I will not be reading the book just as I never read the first edition.

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Beast. On the field Roy Keane was a leader, now he is an assistant to a manager of an average team, having failed to translate his success as a player to the backroom. His comments are nothing to do with telling it like it is but for the purpose of selling himself and his books, which one can understand given his waning star. As for integrity, one of the fundamental rules is that you don't kiss and tell.

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Keane was a great player and has our clubs best interest at heart. He say from the inside the decline that was taking place in the club and brought it to the SAF's attention plenty of times. Its then that when nothing was happening he spoke out about the players in public.

He is a good passionate man who criticizes when criticism is due. He is blunt and has made mistake but he was a great player and his love and drive for the club to do its best shouldn't be questioned.

You are all just jealous of his glorious beard!!

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Pea - How many managers are successful these days?

There are only a small number of great managers because the game has changed so quickly since Roy was playing. The old school approach doesn't work anymore so you have to start again in my eyes if you played during the 90's. That said his failure at management thus far shouldn't be used against him at this stage, he hasn't had the quality players he was used to training with week in week out so is on a hiding to nothing anyway, look at Bruce, Hughes etc, he has to lower his standards and that means starting again. To be an assistant manager for a prem club and country is successful compared to the competition.

I agree that what is said in confidence shouldn't be repeated in public for the most part. However Roy is somebody that says what he thinks and will undoubtedly hold people to those standards himself, therefore who is really the person that lacks integrity? The guy that whispers secret views in the changing room that doesn't have the courage to say them elsewhere or the guy that says "these are my views shoot me down if you like but I don't care"?

It can be looked at both ways but I know I wouldn't confide a secret in a character like Roy, but I would certainly go to him for honest advice on a problem, not for namby pamby moaning which he has utter contemt for.

As for talking out of school, hasn't everybody that has ever written a biography done that, otherwise what would be the point?

Like him or loath him at least he has a personality rather than media whores that dominate the profession nowadays and all for being yes men in the main!

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I've met Keane a few times, once on a flight to Cork with his whole family. He was lovely every time, remembered who I was, and is actually a very witty guy.

Nobody was calling Fergie gobby and embarrassing last year when he used his autobiography to 'break dressing room confidence' and drag numerous former players' names through the dirt. Keane has a right of reply, and is entitled to put his side of the story forward. If you're not interested, then don't read it. But Keane gave everything to the club during his time here, and they completely hung him out to dry because he could see the decline and rot setting in, and had the balls to say something about it.

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Can't understand united fans putting the knife in Roy keane.he was what you call a united player, the man was born to play for united.a man that wanted to win every game he played in and wanted 100% from everyone else around him, I only wish we had someone like him now, he was the captain so why couldn't he speak out about players who weren't given it all, the greatest midfielder of our generation never will we see the like if him again.i can understand other fans having a go at him, but united fans, loyalty as he says himself.

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Fair enough guys, it just seems that every time he opens his mouth these days, it is to critisize United. I loved Keano when he was playing for us, what United fan wouldn't.
But I wish he will just start commenting on other things for a change and leave United aside for a bit.
And while we're at it, I didn't think SAF should have said everything he said in his book either. I think some things have to be left private.

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A personality he has, and let's face it, that's what makes the sport so intriguing - it's so much more than just the game itself. Especially nowadays, when everything is out there in the public eye as never before. The controversy is a fundamental part of what makes the premier league a growing international media event. And it's one of the reasons why the authorities resist the review of refereeing decisions. The perpetuation of injustice, incompetence, unfairness and intrigue is what makes football the ultimate sporting metaphor for real life.

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{Ed007's Note - That's deep, man (smoking)

Perfect assessment Pea.

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He only criticises united because he wants the best for united. Him and sir alex are very similar IMO and were always going to fall out at some point as they are both stubborn and won't back down even if there wrong. Something's he's said May have went too far but he only wanted what was best for the club.

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About as deep as a post-match Wayne Rooney interview.

How I miss Wayne's Word on Special 1 TV

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Keane voiced his opinons when a player was playing bad does Rooney do that does Rodgers do that no Keane would either break you or make you he is a model and outside of football he is a very nice man even has a dog he loves that died and walked out on Ireland at the world cup 2002 because he felt the training pitch wasn't good enough fair enough he has come out with some rubbish about United but Scholes has done the same in the recent past

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