Manchester United Banter Archive September 07 2012

07 Sep 2012 21:38:08
Ed7 is Syd banned or somethink as not seen him on here for a while? {Ed007's Note - He isn't banned/blocked as far as I know. Maybe he is just having a wee break after the transfer window and with no league football this week.....or maybe his calculator is broke....}

I heard he had his internet privileges revoked by the wife after he showed her up while drunk. lol.

Shappy {Ed007's Note - Oh that's right lmfao he was steaming the last time he was on!!!}

Isn't scouting McCarthy for Sir Alex?!

DodgyBanter

He signed del piero so on holiday

Pardoe

Wifes cancelled the internet and taken his phone off him.

Dear sirs
ngiak thinks he may just have gotten himself a job to support whoever has been supporting him till now
gan {Ed007's Note - The Glazers?}

07 Sep 2012 21:07:03
Hi eds I'm just wondering this may sound a little strange but why don't man utd try to sign theo Walcott I think he'd be great as his contract discussions are stalling man utd need a good winger and he could link up with van persie again
If arsenal don't want to sell then maybe we could offer chicharito in a part exchange deal {Ed007's Note - Only a little strange???}

Give a very talented, young striker who can score 20+ goals a season for a over rated, English winger to replace someone who is more consistent than him.

We don't want Arsenal players.

-JakeW

Apart from RVP....obviously :)


StevieK

Erm... Wilshire? Yes please.

DodgyBanter

(this post is football related, and not preditor/sexual)

Jake is that what you said about rvp, sagna would walk into the united team when fit same as aoc jack w and i rate walcott above nani

Why don't you go an support Arsenal then? (or Citeh)

DodgyBanter

RVP, Jack Wilshere and maybe Vermaelen would walk into our team, nobody else and as DodgyBanter just said.. Go support them if you love their players so much.

-JakeW

Jake w
well i hate to be sceptical but a fit aboudiaby is exactly what we need : a strong box to box type player, and arteta is imo better than carrick. And no i dont want to support arsenal but credit where its due, they have a better midfield( in terms of starting 11 not squad ).
Mick

07 Sep 2012 20:36:11
well cleverley has had a decent game so far. The england manager obviously rates him. Shame some of the clubs fans don't seem to.

07 Sep 2012 19:14:34
Been thinking about what Rooney has been saying about wanting to see out his days at utd and regretting what he did. Utd should have a new 2-3yr deal on the table asap, same terms, no clauses about being the best paid or anything else, lets see how much he loves utd and wants to stay. Maybe wayne has said a little too much and utd could use it to our advantage.

Parks

Wayne has been our best player over the last few years, he has the balls to admit he was wrong to seek a move away from us, so you think we should take advantage of this?
He's not been well advised by his agent, we need to pay our top players top dollar contracts or risk becoming like Arsenal and losing them all to teams willing to pay it.
Our proud history is the deciding factor when wages are on a par with other clubs, we need to compete in the transfer market with comparable wages to the City's and Chelsea's or risk falling behind and becoming an Arsenal or worse a Liverpool.
Flyhalf(Mitch)

Absolutely stupid post!

FredtheRed

Not been well advised? He's a 26yr old man for gods sake!! What did he think would happen when he decided to hold the club to ransom and threaten to leave?

Some vey strange posts lately. why would the club extend rooney at 250k or whatever it is when they have another year to see if his game picks up. At these wages he is probably in the top 10 earners in football and we can sign pretty much anyone for that and Rooney imo needs to justify an extension.shahram

07 Sep 2012 18:33:33
on the nani debate, i think his a good player but is he worth 130 k a week, thats a lot more than vidic toni kagawa get.

if he wont sign a new deal for less money united have 2 choices.
a.give in to his demands.
b. get rid of him
jred

I like the "b" option. T45

07 Sep 2012 17:32:29
It will be interesting to see how we perform in our next game vs Wigan. I have faith in our forward line, but I still dont trust our midfield, but worse our defence. If we can have our defence sorted, man we would be on our way. We have good players for both defence and midfield, we just need to have the right combinations and the players need help gelling with each other. Decision making is also a problem. Either holding the ball up too much or making stupid/poor passes, many times not under pressure. Where is Buttner? I would love to see him get a run out. What are we waiting for?

I wouldnt say we have good players for midfield. Scholes is class but too old, carrick is so static its painful to see him in action but still decent,fletcher is sick, cleverley has a lot ( A LOT ) of improvement to do before becoming united standard, anderson is overweight and needs to improve both fitness and concentration even though i beleive he has lots of talents he is still umproven. Hardly what you can call good players for a team like united.
Mick

07 Sep 2012 17:25:38
I see a great few of you seem to jumping on Percy's back with regards to Nani. A) The guy is entitled to his opinion and B) You all seem to be judging him based on the end of last season and start of this but what about the majority of last season when, behind Rooney, he was our best player. Nani is a player that needs to be judged over the whole season and not just a few games. Is he inconsistent? Yes, but over the course of a season he warrants his place and certainly doesn't deserve to be labelled crap. Like I say, a few bad games is no reason to call someone rubbish just as a few good games doesn't make a player a world beater.

TK-Red

Nani is not crap, but he's just not good enough to be a starter at manchester united.
Mick

Tk-Red.... You have just said we are getting on Percy's back... It is a banter site and whoever disagrees with someone is entitled to their opinion.. Straight from your post !

Tk, are you saying that the before the end of last season Nani was having a great season. I'm sorry I must have been getting different games because from where I was sitting he is the same person I saw against Everton and Southampton. I have said this a lot on his day he is a good player but when does he really have a good game. Those defending him against Southampton he was poor one corner past the first man and he is a hero now? All the guy knows how to do consistently is waste possesion and frustrate both the fans and his team mates. I agree that United has been patient with him and he doesn't seem to be making any progress at all. Really if Zenit offered 25m for him I am disappointed he is still here because I doubt we will get that in January or next summer. It's painfully obvious that Fergie doesn't want him why can't you see that.

Darren-Bermuda

As you say anyone is entitled to an opinion and post, even me, as it is a banter site...see where Im going? We could go in circles all day. The fact is that Percy is being told that he is wrong. Now who is to say he is wrong for a fact? Again...all opinion ;)

TK-Red

Exactly I never said it was not based on opinion.... How can I help that everyone disagrees with Percy?? Nani is p1ss poor....... Simples

Darren-Bermuda

I did note that he ended the season poorly, highlighted by Valencia's fantastic form, but I did watch the entirety of last season and saw with my own eyes that he started the season in fantastic form and was one of our best players up until around February, when he was ousted by Valencia. So no he didnt play well at the back end of the season but people seem to have short memories and forget his form during the early season.

TK-Red

Two good comments TK - thanks

Mike

You lost all credibility when you quoted a meerkat at the end of your post ;)

TK-Red

TK, I think I understand what you mean now. When it comes to Nani he is so consistent at doing the wrong thing that when he does the right thing it seems like a big deal. I honestly can't remember Nani being one of our best players last season. He is a very frustrating player and I think he should be better we have stuck with him and he just doesn't seem to get it. So question is do you keep playing him or let him go? How many more games does he need after being there for 5 years? If he hasn't gotten it by now chances are he won't sorry if this seems negative but sitting there hoping for him to make the right decision for a long time has run my patience with him very thin.

Darren-Bermuda

Again, last season he started very very well then faded in February but for the first part of the season he was fantastic. Look, if someone comes to me and says "we're going to sign player-x to replace Nani" and player-x is better then so be it. My choice was Hazard. Had we signed him then I would've packed Nani's bags myself as he would've been surplus to requirements but there is no point in hounding him out until we can find that better player.

TK-Red

07 Sep 2012 15:27:13
i think people need to get of rooney' back, yeah he mad a huge mistake by saying he wanted to leave but he has tried to make amends for it and he needs the fans support.

let he without sin cast the first stone..

Easy to "make amends" when they treble your dosh!!!!!!!!
Cosh

07 Sep 2012 13:59:02
You think Nani is better than Iker Muniain? Wow. Did Nani give you his autograph or something?

G.A.G.U.S

Pa ! Are you genuinely saying a 19 year old is better than Nani? Not even close. Not yet.

Percy

Percy

What do you think of Nani's performances so far in the Everton and Southampton games?

Genuine question mate I would like to see how you rate his showings.

Jono

Dude i seriously think you have to stop praising Nani. Frankly he is rubbish. I cant wait for Matts Daehli to replace him. Hope we manage to offload Nani soon.

SydTheKid

Against Everton, I think everyone will agree he was rubbishe. Like every other attacking player, Southampton on the other hand, he was threatening, he gave the defence problems and got the winning assist. He wasn't amazing, but he was better than most on the pitch at the time.

Percy

I agree that Nani can be very frustrating and extremely wasteful, but he offers much more than Young. Seeling him yesterday would have been bad business for Utd as the Glazers would have trousered the money and no replacement.

Against Everton Nani was worse than useless, however against Southampton I do believe that he assisted the winning goal as he is one of the few players who can take a decent corner that we have, we are better off with him than without him.

Bazza

Percy I'll give you your due for sticking to your opinion but I used to try to defend Nani however, I think he now is actually pretty difficult to defend. I'm glad we have held onto him for this transfer window as I think selling him to Zenit would have left us short of wingers. I do however, expect him to go in January or next summer for around 20 million or so. I'm going to be keeping my eye on Muniain, Rodriguez and Isco as they are realistic replacements for Nani and I'd expect to see one of them in January or next summer depending on when we sell Nani.

Nani can be fantastic but when was his last fantastic game for United? He hasn't had one for a good few months and that isn't good enough when you are playing week in week out for United. He is at the age where he should be coming into his peak and finding consistency but he isn't doing that. 1 or 2 games in 10 can be accepted by fans when a guy is 18 or 19 but not when he is 25. If we get 20 million then that would be good business and give us good funds for a replacement.

Rjmanutd

Regardless of whether Muniain is 19, he is better than Nani.

G.A.G.U.S

BAZZA
1 corner in 5 years
jred

You lot crack me up, especially Jred, you profess to support our great club and yet know nothing about what is going on. Have a look at the opta stats concerning assists and you will see that Nani is consistently one of the most prolific assisters in the prem, and your spouting rubbish about one in five years.

Bazza

Remember the charity shield against Citeh last year, of course Nani is rubbish!! Admittedly he doesnt do it often enough, but seriously get behind your own players and the club.

If we sold him and didnt replace him you would all be moaning about the Glazers selling our players!

Bazza

Bazza
so you would give him his 130 k a week contract.
jred

Tbf i defended nani constantly, but now ive give up on him, he cant cross pass the 1st man and his poor decision making makes him look like walcott,
However im glad we didnt sell him yesterday as our only other options is young n valencia (welbeck is a walking jelly)
sell him in jan where we can get a replacement


TRUMORS

At 19 iker muniain is a better player than nani. Better dribbles, better crosses, better passing, better vision, better decision making ( even at 19 ). He might not have nani's occasional wonderstrike but he is a better all around player than nani and is a potential future balon d'or.
Mick

07 Sep 2012 13:08:21
Biggest shame is that we sold Oliver Norwood. His displays in reserves and when on loan to Coventry were very good. He is now showing the same skills at Huddersfield.
Hope SAF can get him back next year, he is a superb passer of the ball and was the best free kick taker at our club when he was still with us.
I am not sure why SAF sold him?
upyoursciteh

We sold him because he wasn't good enough. He may be doing it at Huddersfield but what league are they in? Doesn't mean he can do it at United.

I see him as a decent premier league player, sort of like darron gibson but not united quality.
Mick

07 Sep 2012 12:11:12
There is clearly only one of two reasons for 'Percy' to keep this Nani support up.

He is either Nani's mum or Nani himself ;-).

There can be no reason other than that for his undying loyalty to him. We all have favourates but even I could see Heinze and Blomqvist had served their times (although Heinze left a sour taste in the end).

Nani has been shown up to everyone so much so that although he has been available ALL summer nobody was interested untill the last minute and even then he has not gone. If only Zenit are interested in him then there is a clear indication in that where he is definitely not the second best winger in the world.

I fail to see how you can call another post ignorant when you are clearly ignorant of the facts that are in front of you.

I had a list of facts from last season statistically proving Nani was far behind Toni and slightly behind Young that I posted earlier in the summer and although those were derived from us playing our more dated 4-4-1-1 system the arguement of Nani fitting better into the 4-2-3-1 was shown up in the Everton game. He was horrendous. Dropped v Fulham then hit his first accurate corner in 5 years v Southampton. Is that the sort of form the second best winger in the world should be producing off the back of an injury free pre season?

I can understand your loyalty to obviously your favourate player but you cannot be taken seriously if you cannot see the weakness he brings to the team and the fact we are actively looking to move him on this summer.

We are stuck with him more than we wanted him to stay, I think that sums it up really.

Jono

Unless Zenit made an illegal approach it is pretty clear united agreed the sale of Nani. This tells us the managers and the clubs position better than those who rate Nani far higher than his real value to the team

Red Man

Jono regards the corner if you watch it again van Persie has already figured out our corners are bobbins so ran to it rather than waiting for the ball to come to him.

Regards Nani, i do like the guy as a person, and understand he is popular in the dressing room.

But as a player he just is not improving quick enough. We've bounced out others before for not being up to standard. And look how certain players on here get hounded after bad performances: Evans, Twins, De Gea, Gibson, Carrick, Rooney, Anderson and so on.

To state he is the 2nd best winger is bobbins.

As someone else said (sorry forgot who) if he was that good then surely he would be in the team every game. In the team playing in his favoured position on the right surely if he was No 2 winger in the world. Not shoved on the left every game.

I hope he steps his game up and blows us away and shows he deserves a new deal. But sadly i doubt it will happen and he'll be gone in 12 months.

Lastly his demands are absurd, 130k a week? Has he not noticed how most other peoples wage demands have worked so far? The only one who demanded and got stupid money was Rooney who actually was invaluable at the time. if Nani was performing like Ronaldo then fine, but he's not, he's not even Lee Sharpe.

Mort

My favourite player is Rafael, but Nani is being unfairly treated, he's more effective than most United fans give him credit for, he's certainly better than Young and Valencia.

Percy

^^ That should read.

My favourite team mate is Rafael, but I am being unfairly treated, I am more effective than most United fans give me credit for, I am certainly better than Young and Valencia.

Nani.

;-)

Jono

Agree with Percy on this - plus the fact he is better on the right than on the left. - ideally I would like to see SAF have the option of playing either Toni or Nani on the right and bringing in a left winger / forward so he has the option of Young or a.n.other on the left.

Mike

It doesnt matter if he plays on the left or the right the fact is he cant even cross the ball or take a decent corner left or right sided.
johndenton

What I don't understand with Nani is that he is blessed with a natural talent, but he is unable to use this talent effectively.
Surely some coach at the club can see what Nani is doing wrong and spend a lot of time with him.
E,g,
Shooting skills: which would help with corners (to be fair to Nani I cannot understand how SAF keeps getting Nani to take the corners, when it is obvious he keeps getting them wrong)
Awareness: of his own position and that of his team-mates before he receives the ball, which gives him greater choices once he has the ball.
Decisions: when he has the ball, he needs to start making the right decisions. Surely he reviews his own performance, but maybe he needs an experienced coach to show him the most effective plays.

He has the ability and skills, if he used them effectively he would be a brilliant player. If he is unwilling to work on the areas where he is weak, then he does not deserve to be a United player.

J Bones.

Mike
fergy does have the option of playing toni or nani on the right 9 times out of 10 he picks toni.

jred

Hehe lol. In what world is nani better than valencia?
Mick

So you slate percy for supporting him and have the blinkers on yourself as you dont like him. Nani is very wasteful and is a frustrating player as he is better than his performances suggest. His nowhere near as effective as Toni but I would pick nani over Young anyday as he truly is bobbins.

You all need to take the blinkers off, if we sold him then he would not be replaced and Glazers would have trousered the money.

Bazza

It makes EVERY difference whether he plays on the left or the right. His contrasting form on each wing shows us that.

TK-Red

Jred - is that why Toni and Nani have virtually the same playing time last season? He dtends to pick Toni on the right for tactical reasons and because he has a gap to fill on the left

Mike

07 Sep 2012 11:18:30
I'd rate Pedro and Ribery slightly beneath Nani, the rest aren't even in the same league as Nani.

Percy
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pedro is one of the best wingers in the world,he is VERY under-rated.

No name
i couldnt agree more , i really rate pedro always surprised at the amount he gets talked down on this site.
jred

I couldn't agree more, Pedro is a quality player! Doesn't take away from my point about Nani though.

Percy

Dude nani doesnt even make the top 10 wingers in football
SydTheKid

Percy
why do you think united are open to offers for nani
jred

How do we know they are? Do any of us have inside knowledge? No. It's all paper talk as far as I'm concerned, no more, no less.

Percy

Percy
the zenit director said the transfer failed due to nani's wage demands
jred

07 Sep 2012 09:38:33
so it looks like, not only has nani priced himself out of a new contract at united his priced himself out of a move to zenit.
jred

Seems he wanted something like 130k p/w there same price as he wants off Utd

Pardoe

I think nani is a decent player but i wouldnt pay him a 130 k a week
jred

"We really have been negotiating Nani and Moutinho, but Hulk and Witzel were top priorities," explained Zenit chief Maxim Mitrofanov.

"It must be understood that any transfer campaign is based on the list of players, ranked by priority."

"If Hulk had demanded 8m (£6.4m) to 10m (£8m) a year, these conditions would have been unacceptable for Zenit," Mitrofanov explained.
"The transfer of Nani failed mostly due to this reason, as he asked for an enormous salary and we would not pay him."
Mitrofanov zenit director-general

jred

07 Sep 2012 09:36:37
Does anyone feel like Nanis excessive wage demands could be trouble for United.

Next season he will have only one year left on his contract and will have United where he wants them we wont get the money we want for him we wont give him a new contract and will most likely end up selling him for half of what we should be getting or else we will lose him for nothing the following season.

Devil Dust.

I agree that is a worry, if we really were up for selling him this summer then we will already be £5-15m down by next summer due to him only having 1 year left. Theres no easy answer as we can't give in to his wage demands now as then no team would be willing to buy him and match those silly wages

Hope AF has a master plan in place!

Gav

07 Sep 2012 08:29:45
KLOOT/G.A.G.U.S etc,

Quite shocked with your attitude towards Owen. Lets not forget that he was an Everton fan, as was Fowler. I understand this game is full of passion but on the flip side this is a career for the players. A job. I work in the hotel industry and if a competitor offered me more cash for the same job - I'm off!
I notice that you never answered the question on Sir Matt? In the same breath, how much Cantona merchandise have you got? Do you die a little inside when you see Rio pull on the shirt?!
My family all support Celtic. Yet do I hold the fact Fergie used to play for Rangers against him? Like hell I do!
Don't get me wrong. I love to see Liverpool and City fu*k up. Makes my day. But for you to come on here and slag off a proffesional that has shown nothing but for respect for our club - is pretty poor. Gives us as a fan base - a bad name.
Stop living in the past. You sound like a scouser.

Jamesmack8

James

I wonder when he scored that goal against city were they shouting abuse at him ?

Like hell they were ! HYPOCRITES !

Devil Dust.

Yeah and im pretty sure they wernt screaming at him when he was banging in 40 goals for England.
Jamesmack8

Jamesmack8 I shall answer for myself and I know G.A.G.U.S. is more than capable of answering. Firstly I suggest you get to know your history a little you learn about an air disaster that happened in 1958 of which a relative of mine died then you find out which set of supporters have celebrated that disaster like no others. I know that a lot of you supporters think that football began with Euro 96 or with the Premiership but there was life before that. As for England I couldn't give two f***s what England do I only have two teams, Manchester United and Manchester United reserves. As for Leeds well they have always been our feeder team. You answer me this question why would Fergie not sell Heinze to Liverpool. He said it just wasn't done and do you remember Paul Ince who was a brilliant player for us and the reception he got when he returned in a Liverpool shirt. It just shouldn't happen. The two biggest clubs in Britain and never the twain shall meet. How many Liverpool supporters would have wanted him back after playing for us. Probably the same kind of Jester Hat wearing face painted replica shirt wearing persons now who you see outside Old Trafford looking for the souvenir shop Just trying to buy into the brand then they get into the ground and wonder why there is no atmosphere without seeing the irony. Well for people like me and a lot of other United Supporters and Liverpool supporters it is about far more than that it is about our City's our History and our rivalry . So run along get your Badiel and Skinner videos out and sing along to footballs coming home and completely forget the years of abuse that our boys got from England fans whenever they played. I have nothing against you personally i appreciate it is probably your age and you just can't see what the problem is with Liverpool or its supporters. Then again ask yourself when was the last time you went to Anfield to support United. If my old oppo from the Liverpool pages Irish Rover reads this please come on and explain it from Your side. I AM KLOOT

Like I said HYPOCRITE !

States his obvious hatred for the scousers then gladly to make his point says OUR citys OUR history OUR rivalry like there is some sort of love hate camaraderie between United and them and even calls on a scouse to belittle a fellow supporter.

Devil Dust.

Again tho kloot do u feel the same about sir Matt busby?

Big Mac

07 Sep 2012 06:11:00
Extracts from Rooney's new book-

In September 2010 my ankle puts me on the sidelines.

I get frustrated with myself, my game, my injury, and everything around me.

I'm stuck in a cycle of bad form but I can't get out of it.

And that's when I make the biggest mistake of my football career.

In October, I release a statement which publicly questions my happiness at Old Trafford.

Am I better off elsewhere?

Everyone makes a fuss.

There are discussions inside United to sort out the issue, people outside United chuck their opinions around, but the thing is, nobody really knows what's going on in my life.

None of them understand where I am in my career, they don't know where my head's at.

The only person who really knows what's going on in there is me, but even I'm not sure what I want.

Then the manager has his say. 'Sometimes you look in a field and you see a cow and you think it's a better cow than the one you have in your own field. And it never really works that way'.
He's saying the grass isn't always greener, and he's right.
I like what's in my field. I'm wrong. United want the same as me: trophies, success, to be the best.
For six years, I've been lucky enough to win league titles and a Champions League trophy.
I've been able to work alongside world-class players, not to mention the manager, the most successful club boss in the modern game.
My mind goes into another spin. I feel gutted at what I've done. How stupid are you Wayne?
hen comes the moment of clarity.
ou love the club, you love the supporters. You respect the manager and he's got you trophies and titles.
You couldn't be anywhere better. You'd be mad to leave. There's no better place to play than United.
It's the biggest team in football. Our history is huge.
That's when I make another decision, a sensible one this time.
I tell United - I want to stay. I sign a new five-year contract with the club, but a strange atmosphere comes around the place.
Some of the fans are moody about my announcement.
When I run onto the pitch as a sub for the first time in weeks for the game against Wigan on 20 November, a lot of fans cheer me, but some of them boo.
There are banners slagging me off. Fair play, I understand their opinions.

The thing is, everyone makes mistakes. The difference is that I made mine in public.

Make of it what you want, but I think Rooney's not going anywhere anytime soon.

kdevil10

OH wayne,you love the money,you love to get involved in as threesome,a 40 year old aunty.ha ha

INDIAN SCOUSER YNWA

Rooney heart is not in your club if he really loved it why ask for a new contract with a big pay rise. Why not stay on the contract he had & wait for the club to offer him a new contract. Get shut he's trouble.

07 Sep 2012 05:59:44
If a supposedly quality player cant improve his consistancy at a club where he,s been for 5 years then its never going to happen
johndenton""""
dear mr johndenton
ngiak rather have a hardworking but less "skilful or impact" player
who does not sulk all the time and performs 10% of the time
agreed also that he has been given a long time to prove himself, get used to the EPL and be more consistant
its better to cash in on him now than wait till his "reputation" deteriorates furthet or youtube snippets get older and older
also ngiak is curious
there has been a lot of "deadwood" cleared and a lot of new players brought in over the last 13 months
yet there seems to be a lot more still present...
gan

06 Sep 2012 22:59:31
Michael Owen "I rejected Liverpool to sign for Stoke City because I didn't want Manchester United fans to hate me."

Stop making up utter bullcrap. He never said anything like that.

BthekingB