Manchester United Banter Archive April 08 2013

08 Apr 2013 23:53:22
Thought the team would have kicked on from ucl elimination but it has been the complete opposite. The team has lost its way abit. hopefully we dnt make it more difficult for ourselves & clinch the title as soon as possible

08 Apr 2013 23:27:22
You see, the biggest problem that I have is that we are always the team that has to change and play in a different way for different teams. You didn't see Madrid or City change when they came to OT did you? But we line up differently even at home against these teams. You can deal with changes to line ups away, but at home surely our usual, strongest team should be good enough to compete with these boys? The problem is not numbers, its a lack of quality in the starting line up. De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Jones, Carrick, Kagawa and RVP are the only 'untouchables' in our squad. they are the best players in the squad and should be the ones we build the side around.

There is certainly room for improvement at left back, central midfielders and wingers. Wingers used to be our strength, but they're our biggest problem. We're slow on the counter, miss the days of Ronaldo and Rooney bomming forward. I really do have to say that I wouldn't be bothered if Rooney left this year as long as Ronaldo, Gotze or someone like that comes in! Big changes needed, we do have quality but we need to build the squad around them.

Personally I want De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Jones, Carrick, Kagawa and RVP to be the focal point of next years squad. That 'world class' side of the squad is what we need to add to. Ideally we can have a world class player in each position with squad players behind them to come in and rotate. Hopefully then we can play our strongest team and make others change their line ups to counter our threats, not the other way round for once.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - I'd have Smalling/Evans/Rio and then Jones in that order beside Vidic tbh. Though I agree and have said for a long time now two wingers, a centre midfielder and a left back are needed. No messing around this summer if SAF wants one more very successful year of 2 or more cups he needs to address these areas IMO}

I agree, the problem is though that Jones is so good that I want him to be involved all the time. We really could do with Ronaldo, Gotze, Strootman and Alex Sandro.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - Tad bit optimistic haha but would love it to happen}

For me,

Essential signings to stay competetive at the top of the EPL - 1 CM, 1 winger.

Signings needed to give us a good chance in the ECL - LB and a 2nd CM.

We're fine up front, at CB and RB (with Fabio as extra cover) so I'd leave them areas alone.

Ed004 - a 2nd winger would be nice but I don't see any chance of that considering we've already signed Zaha and still have Valencia/Young/Kagawa who can play there (if Nani goes). I'm worried that Zaha will be our only wing signing TBH but I do hold out hope that someone like Rodriguez is signed too.

Ideally for me we'd line up in a 4231 with DDG, Rafael, Vidic & Evans, New LB, Carrick & New CM (Strootman?), New winger (Rodriguez?), Rooney and Kagawa as the 3 in behind RvP.

I think that's enough quality across all positions and would leave us with a naturally stronger squad as players like Cleverly, Welbeck, Valencia & Young lose their regular starts to become more squad players.

Ed004

I would have Vidic/Rio/Evans/Smalling in that order.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Vidic would be my first choice as well}

Totally agree with the Ed here. Last nights game means little, but our midfield does need addressing. This is a strong squad but the weakest collection of wingers and central midfielders we have had in my lifetime. As much as I love him Anderson has had his chances now and I would add a few more but let's not get into that, this team lacks imagination out wide and a central midfielder, three quality additions in midfield and this big effective squad can become a big exciting squad again
Invisible STuey

08 Apr 2013 22:50:41
Well. Jones played really well tonight fearless individual who gave his all. Wellbeck played quite well and Young was ok but and I say but this is simply not good enough. The middle is everyone's concern and rightly so. We initially played ok with good passing but the inevitable happened and we were forced to defend and lacked ideas and leaders. Kagawa should have been brought on earlier along with Hernandez. Both RVP and Rooney haven't played great recently. Fergie made a mistake by not making these substitutions earlier when they were needed. He tried to hold out for a draw which was a big mistake and quite frankly a mistake he's made to many. I'm not being negative but when the push comes to shove we tend to lack that definitive edge. Our tactics appear to be hopefull as though we might just grind out a result and that everything will be ok.

Mad Hatter

Why do we always have to fall behind before we make changes we should have made 30 mins earlier.
You can only blame the manager as this has happened so many times.
Red Baren

What I don't understand is watching players clearly tire and not tracking back or applying any pressure on the ball and SAF not substituting them.

It is the same all the time and we struggle once we hit the 65th minutes and teams start dominating possesion and why we don't throw 3 fresh players on the pitch.

Shahram

08 Apr 2013 22:46:15
just goes to prove that we are gone so poor, we are going to win the premier league with a very poor side. We really need to invest in players.

08 Apr 2013 22:27:12
If and I say if we throw this league away again would we be mad to say SAF take a seat upstairs.

I think we need a change have said it since 2010, tactics are poor players are poor ie young, tony v, I love giggs for what he is in our team but he's NOT a CM.

We have some really good players who played tonight and I'm afraid with our coaching set up they will and I state will be waisted.

We need a manager- coach who will win European cups but the glazers I hope don't hold us back which I think they will but who I'm I to say.

But we're all intitled to our opinion ;-)


Stagmufc

We will not throw the league away and a win at stoke basically tightens the rope.

Th only worry is what is going on with Vidic, Evans, Smalling an dhope they are not seriously injured. We are definitely playing defense first and then try and score. To do that we need our defenders fit.

Shahram

Our tactics have been non-existent since carlos left, dunno what mike phelan is doing there cause he clearly has little or influence on the tactics. it just seems that we have lost our direction going forward, we're not sure if to play through the middle or play the wings and what formation and position players are playing in, some of the players look like head-less chickens running round at times.

08 Apr 2013 22:19:17
miss the days of an explosive counter with ronny and a younger rooney, we look so slow now adays especially on the left evra picks up the ball and everything seems to slow right down, next season we need some quality on the wings

How has someone disagreed lol?

08 Apr 2013 22:07:37
Pathetic gutless performance, after what happened last year the fans deserved better than sending us out to play like an away team trying to hang on for a draw.

We will probably still walk the league but we need a major shift in attitude and some genuine quality. Rooney went missing again against a big team, Giggs is supposed to add experience but cost us the game with a silly mistake, Young is not good enough, and Welbeck still lacks any end product. But most of all it's absolutely shameful that we've gone backwards since the start of the year to the point where we now approach every tough game like we're trying to sneak a draw.

Danny Pughnited

08 Apr 2013 22:35:49
Couldn't agree more there, SAF needs to inject the hunger and desire back into the players that they once had
Major changes this summer with a clear-out and a few new faces added in. I'd go with another CB to replace Rio over the long term another midfielder as players like Anderson, Cleverley, Valencia, Nani, Young, Kagawa etc are just simply not United quality players nor good enough to play for another top European team. I'd also go for another forward and sell Rooney since he wants a move abroad and PSG want him to partner Ibrahimovic up top for the French side. I personally would sign Kurt Zouma from Sant�, the lad's only 18 and has the potential to be a top class defender. I'd also sign Fernandinho from Shakhtar Donetsk, for me he fits the bill for everything we need in midfield alongside Carrick, energetic, innovative, positive-thinking, the only concern with him is that he is 27 and we may need somebody who can do the job on a more long term basis
I'd also sign Robert Lewandowski to partner van Persie up front as in my opinion he is a class apart from van Persie and really would add some cosistancy to our front line which that flash in the pan van Persie has failed at doing this season
But the question is which players would actually want to come to us over say a Man City or Chelsea? If I'm brutally honest I don't think very many would want to join our impending sinking ship of a club over teams that actually have ambition like Man City, Chelsea, Spurs etc. I hate to say it but there are gloomy times ahead for us reds

Why would a player want to join us? because we are Manchester United, When have we had no ambition, we strive to win competitions every season? That flash in the pan is the main reason we will hopefully win the the title, with some quality signings in the summers and chopping off some dead wood we'll be fine. I suggest you start watching one of the oil rich owners clubs if that's how you feel # WE ARE UNITED

keyz

'us reds'. my ar*e!

09 Apr 2013 00:22:36
I'm sorry but our squad at the moment is just one big calamity, I think that we are a sinking ship waiting to happen. We will be lucky to get 4th next year because City and Chelsea's squads and ambition are in a different league to ours
Call me dramatic if you want but I see us out of the football league in 10 years time
I personally think Ferguson needs to retire to protect his already legendary status at our club as he just simply cannot win 'the big ones' anymore

08 Apr 2013 22:06:08
I m also scared now that considering current run of games and thin size of squad in quality. we don't throw away 12 points lead like last year. Except strikers our squad is very limited. Players always injured and some with so less games that they never turn up in game.

God save united

Rodio17

Lol it won't happen mate! We have this now and have since 2 weeks ago, we can wrap the league up in 2 weeks and I expect we will. I understand nerves are fragile after last season but we will be ok.

08 Apr 2013 22:04:05
Rant Rant

Well I am glad that is over. For everyone who thinks this is a great team, you have been listening to SAF bs to build up the teams confidence.

Really poor and disjointed and no midfield and making our forwards look sh. t too.

I wrote a few weeks ago let us see how we play against the top teams over the next few weeks. Lost to Chelsea, lost to City.

I guess the bright side of things is SAF should now go out and buy some midfielders, because if cleverly is not good enough to play in the big games, Giggs is definitely not the solution.

Evra is a shocking left back and needs to be shipped out.

Shahram

Shahram, you know and I know he'll not buy top quality midfielders. He wants to play with wingers and those tactics are simply not good enough.
Sorry but saf has to take the blame.
NoMidfield

I think this team is a patch up work just to get through games. God knows how many different line up we have and if someone could tell me who is our starting 11 then you are a genius LOL.

1. We have a young striker who can't score and has no composure playing on the wing to provide defensive cover in midfield.

2. We have a 39 year old legend playing against probably the toughest midfield in the league and he is not suited for that role.

3. We have a hopeless left back that gets to play in all the games that matter because we don't have any other choice there.

4. We have 2 strikers who are not firing and most of it is for lack of service. One Striker who can't get on the pitch.

5. Our Wingers are tootles

6. Midfielders like anderson and cleverly not good enough against top opposition and Kagawa can't get into the side as that means Rooney on the bench.

On the bright side, Jones and Rafael are some players.

I can't wait to get 8 points and see what the club does in the summer and hopefully better football next year.

Shahram

08 Apr 2013 21:43:43
Anyone thinks the league is over is mad. We have hit a brick wall since the Madrid game.
Our boss insists on playing with wingers when all we need is to ensure we stay tight and match city.
City deserve to win today because they've been the better team.
Squeaky bum time.
NoMidfield

We are for thinking that after losing one match in 6 months we will lose 4 in 7 matches? Yea we must be off our rockers to think we won't win the league.

08 Apr 2013 21:38:36
Well just as I wrote that they scored within 30 seconds. Valencia is on but why wait so long is hard to understand. Please put Hernandez on for young.

Shahram

This was in reference to us looking tired. Welbeck and Rooney looked like they were spent after 60 minutes.


Shahram

08 Apr 2013 22:01:35
Great goal wins great matches. nd aguero's goal was special. but to point out he ran through midfield without chellage. again the same problem. I guess I m bore enough to say it again and again. wasnt 6oth minute game time enough to introdure another midfielder insted of gigs? isn't saf relying to much on rvp? Rvp has bn difference this season. since his off form united is looking pritty average.

And still fergie don't bring proper and enough players. he is fooling himself.
Simply we need to change this 4 4 2.
City were a better team in whole game. credit to them.

Rodio17

08 Apr 2013 21:03:59
Same old problem of being beaten, outrun and outmuscled in midfield. Young barely had a touch, might as well pull him off and strengthen in the middle.

We need to forget playing two wingers. Ppl complain about nani but young and Valencia are really getting on my nerves. And why is Hernandez not getting. Chance when's rep and Rooney r struggling to score?

08 Apr 2013 20:41:46
This game is identical to the 1-0 city won last season. We play on the counter and then too much pressure means we concede then have less time to score we should have gone for the jugular from the start

No we generally wait while still losing till the last 5 minute to use our subs. Amazing.

Shahram

08 Apr 2013 20:31:18
How are we supposed to match city in midfield when playing only carrick and Giggs? When are we going to play with a midfield?
NoMidfield

08 Apr 2013 19:45:26
Few points of concern, Jones hasn't played at CB all season, last time he did it was last season against Newcastle when he played awful. Giggs is playing in what seems to be a midfield 2 with Carrick, very weak and no presence. Hopefully Rooney plays in the 3 to help out.

Agreed fresh. Why does saf insist on playing the two in midfield? What is wrlbeck doing on the wing. He's not a winger. Why havnt we put a strong midfield on. He never learns. Sorry, but if we carry on with this formation, then I can only see one winner.
NoMidfield

Nomidfield welbecks best position is out wide as he is useless down the centre. He has been our best wide player this year. With Jones at the back I'd rather Giggs in CM for his experience than Anderson, Cleverley or whoever else. Yes we are light but we all know that anyway so with Welbeck and Youngs work we will be ok.

Brendan81

Brendan

How is Welbeck our best wide player. How many assists or goals does he have?

If you are talking about his defensive qualities, I will take a composed box to box and creative midfielder in a 451.

Shahram

I think we see more of welbeck out wide as he don't score enough

I didn't say he IS the best I said he has BEEN our best this season as the rest have been league 1 standard Shahram which is totally different. Nani is the best but woefully inconsistent and frustrating. Also, I was talking about the players we have available tonight not someone we wish we had playing. We all know we want a box to box but we have none.

Brendan81

08 Apr 2013 19:30:51
Really worried with this line up. Giggs in midfield has been an issue. Also no Vidic Smalling or Evans not even on the bench, they must be injuried as we have no games to rest them for. I think we should have played Cleverley and Kagawa instead of Giggs and Young. let's see how this pans out.

08 Apr 2013 19:25:08
No vidic, smalling or Evans. Are they all injured? I was hoping jones will start in midfield. Young on the wing. Can't wait until we get a world class winger.

What does say about Cleverley and Anderson that Giggs beats them out in the middle. I was hoping for Jones with Carrick but seems like all of our defenders are hurt.

They are all injured which is disappointing as now Jones will have to play as a CB rather than in midfield. So we are a bit light tonight.

Sydney!

08 Apr 2013 18:55:47
Ed002 - If you do not mind answering if you can as it may be a little bit of a guess but by when do you expect the debt to be paid off? I was thinking by maybe 2017 {Ed002's Note - It is not debt per se. They are fixed period bonds, the last of which currently mature in 2017.}

08 Apr 2013 17:16:34
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08 Apr 2013 16:16:10
As a hardcore loyal United fan I have to admit I am worried we may have peaked too early this season and maybe tiredness is the reason for it. Our players have looked half hearted and slow recently. I can only see a loss tonight unfortunately and we still have to play Arsenal away Chelsea at home West Brom away and West Ham away.

We have looked half asleep since the 2nd Real game which is a worry.

I'm hoping that tonight's occasion, along with a few rolockins from SAF and the return of Rooney and a few other's can swing things back in our balance. I'd be glad with a draw in honesty but a win would be special.

We will need to come out firing from the start.

HB

Hope you are wrong.

I am just hoping RVP can find some sort of form again has he has been worryingly poor compared to his high standard of play. Maybe tonight we can see some players step up to the plate for the first time this season. i'm hoping a 4411 with Jones and Carrick in the middle.

08 Apr 2013 14:33:47
With the AON/Carrington deal apparently worth anything between £120m and £180m and United 'apparently' close to agreeing a new airways deal worth £100m. Added to the new Nike deal to be negotiated which could be as much as £65m a year (and extra £40m a year). Then considering the extra £34m TV money starting next season. This club will be turning over £500m a season by 2016/17. There is no chance the Glazers would sell then. Even if they took £50m a season in dividends there would still be over £100m a season for transfers. United are looking very strong financially, fingers crossed the debt can be reduced and we can spend big every season.

Sydney!

Mind boggling figures, let's hope we start to see the fruit of these labours this summer!

Syd, do you know when the Nike deal is to be re-negotiated? I read that Nike have signed with England and looking to sign with City. This would have little or no effect on our prospective deal though I imagine?

HBadger

But why have to spend big every season.

Nike have already signed with City I believe. City were with Umbro who I think Nike owned anyway. Now they have signed a deal with Nike. Negotiations are happening now Gav. The figures being bandied about are £1bn over 15 years. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this happened.

We have seen a decent amount of cash spent over the past two seasons so I hope that will continue until we are through our transitional period. Then I guess we could look at luxury signings after that. Perhaps one "marquee" signing each summer, who knows. The extra money doesn't mean it will go on transfers, but it does mean there is extra money that could go towards transfers.

Sydney!

Sydney

I posted something quite similar last summer and got crucified lol by people here who accused me of being a glazer fan. I reckon we will be in the 500 region in the 2015 season.

The way things are going, we will pay down the majority of the 350 approx debt before their maturity in 2017 and still have large spending budgets.

I believe the Nike deal works out to 85 million USD a year but not sure what the term is as I have heard 10 years and heard also that it might be a 12 year term.

All in all the club's future looks bright and for those envious doom and gloom merchants hate to disappoint you but this is just the beginning.

Finally, the biggest issue for the club in the next 2 years is who succeeds SAF believe it or not and not the finances.

Shahram

Cheers Syd.

Agree with both Sharham and Syd that we should be in a very strong financial position in a couple years. It may be hard to take but as Syd eludes to - the best we can hope for is that our revenues will be so great that the Glazers can take what they inevitably will, whilst leaving more than enough to keep us competetive at the top. Nobody likes to hear about money leaving the club but the reality is that the owner's will look for a return so the best we can hope for is to be making enough money to cover both dividends AND transfers. Hopefully that is the future we are looking at.

Sydney I know you are not stupid so I won't refer to you as such but if you believe that the Glazers will not just take all the money then you are deluded. They have no love for the club it is about making money. Fergie has been told to buy promising young players like Zaha and get them on low wages and put older players on lower contracts. Remember when we sold Ronny for 80 million none of it was re invested in the team. I am sure some of the little girls on here will get all excited in the summer and talk about us buying Ronnie but you know that is not going to happen.

There was never any chance the Glazers were going to sell Utd as the team is the golden teat all of football would like to suckle

No matter how much everyone wanted the Glazers out but you do have to admit they screwed their loaves

And now cue Kloot!

Gav, Andy Green estimates around £115m in cash-flow after dividends taken. That is some amount of free cash every year by 2016.

Kloot, we all know why the Glazers bought United, that cannot be disputed, but I disagree about having to buy cheap youth and having teach them, that is what United has always been about. We do buy the finished article too IE Berbatov/RvP. The Glazers will no doubt pay down debt and take dividends in the future, but there will also be PLENTY of cash for transfers too.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - It doesn't work like that Syd. Sorry but you might be misleading folks with all of this talk about free cash and money for transfers.}

Shahram, I remember your crucifiction and I was one of the few that defended your post. It's always good news the club are making more money. At least then we have the option to spend more if needed. If there's no money then there's NO option to spend money.

Sydney!

Kloot

If they take "all" the money then there will be nothing left to buy players. Which means we'll become less successful, which means we'll make less money, which means less return for the Glazer's. I'm sure they're not that daft. I already addressed this in my post - our owner's will always look for a return so our best bet is to generate enough to keep them happy and leave enough for the transfers needed to keep us successful.

I know you are not stupid either :) so I'll not refer to you as such but the business model just doesn't work if we become less successful. I'm pretty sure the owner's know that. Obviously they will want to achieve this by spending as little as possible (as with most business people) but they won't want to risk us becoming unsuccessful.

Also, if SAF has been told to buy cheap youngster's like Zaha what was he doing splashing £24m and £150k+ p/w on a 29 year old?

Ed002, Operating cash flow for this year was £80m, 2013 estimated at £113m, 2014 at £170m, 2015 at £194m and 2016 at £210m. But 'free' cash flow for this season was -£41m, 2013 is estimated at being £16m, 2014 at £78m, 2015 at £100m and 2016 at £115m. Isn't free cash flow after outgoing costs?

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - THis isn't the time Syd - sorry.}

I think if fergie spends big it's his last season if he spends small he staying for another year or two as he'd like to go out with a bang while leaving a great team for his succeser that wouldn't have to spend much that's my theory
Paddy The Irish Man

Don't worry Ed2 the sensible ones of us won't be expecting a £115m net spend each year! Although I do appreciate the 'Box of Rocks theory' may come into effect with certain poster's. The important thing is there should be plenty available to the manger, even after dividends taken, if it is released that is.

08 Apr 2013 23:39:55
No problem Ed, but if you get five minutes have a read of this article. It is guestimation on many parts, but I believe Andy Green has been pretty reserved in his estimations.

http://andersred. blogspot.co.uk/

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I can see where you come up with all of this from Syd. There are a number of issues that could take exception to and there is one enormous flaw in what he says.}

08 Apr 2013 12:15:36
ah derby day. just like old times utd at the top city nowhere to be seen!

pity mancini saying he needed 4 players to win the league, shows just how amateur they are!

100m a year needed to stay on top!
makes every trophy seem hollow like a cavity!

08 Apr 2013 10:25:01
Mancini has finally lost the plot, his rambling today are up the with Keegan's 'I'd love it if we beat them' and rafa's 'fact' rant.

I appreciate it is mind games but I don't think he actually has a clue and is making a fool of himself.

1. Teams don't play well against united because they are scared. What a load of rubbish, when teams beat united they celebrate like they have won the league, beating us is the biggest thing in some teams season, just ask Norwich fans and players. Everyone wants to beat united and up their games accordingly.

2. They would be winning the league if they had signed the players they wanted in the summer. They have paid 500 million for players in 5 years and spent more than us last summer. Any team would have won the league if they signed the 5 players he is saying he wanted.

I hope he stays at city for a long time as to me it seems like he has lost it and is part of the reason they have managed to struggle this season despite the obvious quality in the squad. I suppose it is hard to manage 25 prima donnas though.

08 Apr 2013 12:05:23
GDS,

You appear to have forgotten the famous Ferguson, he could have killed him with that ball rant, you know when he was under pressure earlier in the season.

And of course how Mancini's mind games failed so badly last season.

I know I clash swords with you guys regularly but when you re read that post or if you saw it on another page, what do you think it makes you look like. You do if often.

SAF has said that RvP was never joining City. Something tells me RvP was tapped up ;)

Sydney!

He is an person. For any manger to wine that he needs to spend 80 to 100 million per season to win things is ludicrous. Imagine what Wenger and Moyes are thinking when they read this stuff.

He is a poor manager in my view and the longer he stays the better off we are. I posted this earlier in the season that he is going to be sacked and still believe that is the case.

It is not a matter of managing prima donnas but knowing how to use a squad, which he is clueless and their set up in some games this year has been the reason for their poor results.

Shahram

Stoner, don't forget we've all read plenty of your posts too, get IT? ;) Nice to have you back pal!

HBadger

Hey arsenal are winning again! Welcome back stoner! I see Wenger is now defo the man to take u forward again yeh? Or is he not again? Ure fickle fans just comfuse me these days. Anyways good to see after a long and treacherous season u might end up with thay 4th place trophy after all.
Chris the REDman

Stoner a point blank act of force to the temple can potentially kill someone. Maybe we could have a demonstration by yourself to prove otherwise?

Supasub

08 Apr 2013 16:10:39
Ahh, Chris I see your level of banter is still up there. Been away fella and then just away from the page. Actually not seen you here for a while.

Hbadger, also a pleasure with you, there really was a reason for the get it, not something worth going into anymore so I'll just be sticking to honest banter.

Supasub, in my line of work I'd be happy to demo on you any time. I promise you won't feel a thing.

Stoner

Headline after moyes gets sacked by city according to reportsdavid moyes has been sacked by manchester city after winning the title after spending no money their billionare owner said he was worried because he thought a football club only gets success after spending millions
Paddy The Irish Man

08 Apr 2013 07:46:24
Johndenton,, thank you for articulating so clearly what I was struggling to.

No problem mate I've seen a lot of football over the years and appreciate good football, but can't agree with others about the quality of our current squad. on another note have a look on the manchester evening news website, virgin media ran a poll where people voted red or blue 84% utd 16% city. tonight the prize is manchester town hall will be lit with 84% of the building in red lights and 16%in blue lights lol. hope the lads send me home happy tonight.
johndenton

08 Apr 2013 00:35:37
To clear the air, and to get everyone's opinion on the matter…
Wayne Rooney. What do or don't we do with him? He wins us games yet in some I feel like smacking him! Does everyone get this?

Rooney is not the player he was a few years back, but still is a top quality player and can change games. I think if he didn't play for us most if not all utd fans would gladly have him at the club. I say keep :)

Rouge Diablo :)

I will sell Anderson, nani, young, Rio, Valencia before I sell Rooney.

He burst onto the seen between 18-21 hit his prime between 21-25 and has serously declined in two years
Paddy The Irish Man