Manchester United Banter Archive August 08 2012

08 Aug 2012 23:05:31
Eds cant you have a word with SAF and tell him to sign Mauroune Fellaini pretty please,

Yes i am that naive.

Cban

08 Aug 2012 22:48:33
Joe Allen to united, bobby Gould on talksport just said he heard from a very good source, he wouldn't say who!

I can just imagine how scared City, Chelsea, Barca and Madrid are now that we've gone after Joe Allen. I feel like I fell asleep a few years ago, woke up, and we're liverpool now. Should we move for mediocrity like Lucas Leiva and C*****e A**m as well? -KG

Nice reply KG
rodio17

Lucas is a superior player to anderson or carrick, as is allen

I imagine it's just the manager trying to make Liverpool overpay for a player again.

Sydney!

08 Aug 2012 22:47:40
Ferguson now says the RVP deal is stalling. Oh dear, I don't know why to say or think anymore, if we fail with RVP with have NO chance with anyone.
Bp

In all fairness, i would rather like to see Llorente or Lewandowski at Man utd than RVP. I feel that RVP is too old and man utd don't normally like to spend £20m on a 29 year old striker who is an injury prone and just had 1 good lucky season. Out of subject but I think that if we don't land Lucas Moura we should go for Alex Witsel. 1.Alex Witsel is cheaper
2.He is a CDM a position we need more than a CAM/RW
So basically what i'm trying to say is don't worry if we don't land RVP or Lucas Moura. We have back up!

08 Aug 2012 22:39:16
Another game and we have to remember it is only pre season. Barcelona are not as far down their pre season as us yet, but let us doing all the running around again which will help us get fitter without improving us tactically

We lacked anything incisive or the ability to move the ball together at pace. We are not going to have that whilst we play with a 38yr old effectively as a quarterback. Our game lacks tempo and we are not dangerous on the break anymore. We yet again struggled to score.

I read Rafaels comment about being freer to express himself with Brazil than with United, maybe Moura has watched the way we play and it isn't Manchester that is boring but Manchester Uniteds slow deliberate style of play to enable a 38 yr old (who can't tackle)to play. Who decides our tempo?

We need three players IMO. The one thing those people who are on here saying we didn't need Moura are missing is that it appears he was SAFs choice. As was Hazard, Sneijder, Nasri and no doubt others. Yes SAF doesn't want to bankrupt the club but we are watching the club trying to bargain and scrimp to get a player at a price that might be affordable. How is Gill and Glazer supporting SAF? He may now have to look elsewhere and I hope after RVP or Lewandowski he gets Martinez and Muniain whilst selling Nani , Berbatov and Anderson but I can't see the money being available.

It is a major turning point this summer as without key reinforcements our tempo is slowing down to a level where we won't compete

Red Man

Red man,

Would you have paid 40 million for moura and allowed him to stay at Sao Paulo for 5 months, that's the deal they wanted and we would have had to match.

You are out of your mind if you think that's a good deal.

GDS

Fergy wanted nasri, sneijder,hazard and lucas , to namebut a few.

in fergy we trust but how much longer can he keep us at the top with out the players he wants.
if fans are getting frustrated how will fergy feel.
jred

Well put Red Man. The playing system, the finances and the ineptitude of our transfer dealings are all becoming real obstacles to being the best team in the world. And SAF going from cavalier attacker to "please don't hurt us, I don't want to lose!" -KG

Quarterback? wtf?

Scholesy made a few decent tackles

Caolán.

GDS
You're massively missing the point Red Man is trying to make, can you not see or do you choose to stay blind??
HERBIE

GDS

I was not an advocate of buying Moura and have consistently said Martinez and Muniain but also a striker with pace because we are wide open if Rooney gets injured.

The point is our tempo and pace is lacking and SAF played Scholes for far too long. Anderson is not good enough
Finally transfers , it is not about paying that much for a 19 yr old , we won't pay that for quality and that has been seen since they caught a cold with Berbatov. We have consistently failed in the market to bring in key players and we have to break that mould now or face a season where we will struggle. We cannot keep expecting to buy on the cheap expecting clubs to drop prices to what the Glazers think is a good deal. We are exposed in the team through a lack of three players as a minimum. We will waste Kagawa if he doesn't have players around him.
It is easy to say crazy money but all our targets seem to be crazy money according to SAF and Gill. Not acceptable this window as we have heard it before

Red Man

Red Man, the Moura deal was all about the cash. Whoever met the payment criteria got the player. PSG met all of the criteria. Ed002 has made that very clear so lets not pretend it's for any other reason.

Sydney!

Sydney

So you admit we can't afford him

Red Man

United dragged there feet for a month PSG done the deal in 24 hours.
in the transfer market at the moment I would say its bad practice to so publicly chase such a talented young player because one of the big boys will come in over the top just like PSG have.
I would say you have to contact the club find out what they want and either pay it and get the deal done or walk away.
jred

Jred

One of the big boys ?

We used to be one of those

Red Man

Jred, so no negotiation then? And what's stopping the agents for asking for more afterwards? Football transfers are all about negotiation. All clubs do it, even PSG.

Red Man, Of course we could afford it, by we are not going to pay well over the odds for a player. Don't forget we had pretty much sealed the deal until PSG come in. If you expected us to equal what PSG had offered then you are incredibly naive. We are a self sufficient club, but bankrolled by sugar daddies. Lets not forget Chelsea, Inter & Real Madrid also refused to pay over the odds for Moura.

Sydney!

Sydney

It just keeps happening to us, at some point the excuses must end. One thing to learn from this is stop messing around do the deal and get it signed. We messed around on price and when it got into the Olympics we could not seal it. Don't tell the world what we are doing, offer the money needed and don't mess about and get their name on a contract.

Red Man

08 Aug 2012 22:24:25
Just drove past bridgewater and there was loads of security and me mate recognised one of them and he asked him what was going on and apparently robin van Persie of arsenal is due anytime for a medical anytime now, and if he passes he will wear the number 9 shirt left by the imminent departure of berbatov..
Also he said we won't be signing anymore wingers this summer and that it is a big money centre midfielder that we will be signing next from the list of either :- moutinho, m'vila, cabaye, witsel, Dembele, erikson, watyama.

Me mate said the guy is sound so hopefully he don't talk rubbish.

Chris Pimmy

Mate, just to let you know, united don't tell the security guards all of their summer signings. Rvp is in Germany so they are going to have a long wait.

You have been fooled big time.

GDS

For a security guard he seems to know an awful lot of going ons within the club

Discountdave

Your mate is also full of sh*t!

G.A.G.U.S

Yeah we don't need another winger, young valencia and nani are all good also kagawa can play on wing although I do think we need a cm my suggestions sahin moutinho or eriksen (although he recently said he will probably stay at ajax)
Also a new full back (either side) I'd say debuchy or baines

08 Aug 2012 21:57:36
Moura's agent pocketed 9 million! 9 million for doing what? No wonder we told him to get on his bike. Its one thing to paying a few quid for greasing the wheels but 9 million is a joke. Stupid to pay that sort of money for an agent its more than we paid for hernandez.

Look at it from the other sign of the coin, how much money is Moura going to make as a result of his agents work?

Flimbo

Bet if the agent was mendez , the club would have no problem paying those kind of fees .

Millz

Flimbo, whilst your statement is true if the player in question is any good then money will follow. The agent could sit there and do nothing.......

this is just another example of the greed of agents. Ed02 mentioned this issue previously and it looks to be true.....

08 Aug 2012 21:43:59
I know it's only twitter and best not to read, but it's all over that RVP is currently having a medical as we speak. Sly Sports also reporting this.

Steve the red

Sly Spurts are not saying that at all.

Red Joe

08 Aug 2012 21:24:43
What Moura will cost PSG: 43million + 250,000 per week wages on a 4-year deal + 9 million agent fees = Totalling 100million...... for a 19 year old!!

G.A.G.U.S

What, has he signed for them? hope he knows 'bout the french tax rule.
nov00

08 Aug 2012 21:11:43
There are so many people complaining about the fact we havent signed Lucas, even going so far as saying we arent a "big club" anymore. Well will all of you just go away and "support" someone else. Tell me the last time we signed a ready made world class player from abroad. In the last 15 years I can think of 3 in Stam, Veron and RVN. Our most successful buys in recent years have come from within the Premier League like Cole, Yorke, Ferdinand, Rooney, Van Der Sar or lesser known names like Solskjaer, Vidic, Ronaldo, Hernandez. So have a word with yourselves and realise that failing to sign flashy Brazilians and such is nothing new and we havent fared to badly so far have we? Ok so perhaps this transfer window hasnt gone the way we wouldve liked but some of you people have been far too spoilt over the course of the last 15 years.

TK-Red

Some people have got to remember nobody's club's transfer window goes to plan, they have to bail out of transfers as well. Even RM have bailed out of Luka Modric so people should stop worrying so much.

Red Joe

08 Aug 2012 21:09:16
I was impressed with the performance of our players today, must work on their penalties though! ; ) Nah it doesn't matter.

Impressed with Scholes, Nani, Welbeck, Toni and Kagawa.

Continue to defend like that and we will do well this season!

-JakeW

08 Aug 2012 21:00:19
I don't know about everyone else but DEFOUR from porto before his injury and standard was CLASS.

And fergie was know to be a big admirer and he is a great player wouldn't mind getting him.

Would be cheap as chips and would be a great signing In the centre of the park.

WYTHENSHAWE RED

He just signed with Porto in 2011 from Standard on a 5 year contract... he would cost enough and I don't think they would sell

We don't need anymore injury prone mids...

Red Joe

08 Aug 2012 20:44:31
I'm so glad De Gea is proving all those doubters wrong, he's gonna b best in the world 1 day :D

Big Mac

Never lost faith in the boy - it was clear the talent he possesses and moving to a new country, to adapt to the weather, the language etc was always gonna take time.

I had one concern - that the witch-hunt of the media who tried their best to destroy him just months after arriving, would work. But despite still being a kid more or less, he rose above it and be honest - he didn't even look bothered by it, in a good way.

Water off a duck's back - boy's got confidence and a strong character, as long as he settles we've got a world-class no1 for years to come and Lindegaard is excellent too.

Perhaps the area I'm most confident in.

RED_SKY

08 Aug 2012 20:41:42
Now that luca$ is of to P$G, we should get another in the mid maybe witsel,strootman or eriksen and hopefully dont sign rvp and get lewandowski

08 Aug 2012 20:36:42
I don't care if it's a friendly or not I Fu**ing HATE Biscuits!!

If I was up against him I would take a Barton length ban to fu*k that t*** up!!

Jono

Someone needs too. He is my most hated player, followed closely by Suarez beating Barton into third. lol

Shappy

08 Aug 2012 20:22:14
just thinking while watching the barca game,valencia right back carrick playing centre back for vidic 2nd half.Seems like the season hasn't started and with just substitutes we're playing people out of position.Do you think we have enough strength in depth at the back taking into account rio and vida's fitness smalling out jones with a knock and no euro fitness fabio loan and rafa having a busy summer with brazil


vimto

08 Aug 2012 20:00:56
- Lucas to PSG .... Thank God we didnt spent that money on him.. we better have a player like sahin/strootman/M'villa.....GGMU

08 Aug 2012 17:52:04
if the red knights love united so much why not use the money to pay off our debt..?

Nice try Malcolm but no sausage for you today.

Danny Pughnited

Because they were just a bunch of publicity seeking egotists much like most of MUST

Wow, really??.......
Mitch.

I said something like this ages ago, why don't 10 million fans all donate £10 every season for transfers? Cologne did it years ago to buy podolski bk {Ed007's Note - Why should they? If you buy your ST and usual merchandise you are giving ample money to your club.}

08 Aug 2012 19:47:10
Have just seen the RVP story on London Evening Standard and saw a comment from an Arsenal fan saying that if RVP goes to Manchester United then he will have lost all the respect from the Arsenal fans and Arsenal should never sell to Manchester United ..

Isnt it funny how its ok for their players to move to Manchester City but not to us ... Na$ri, Clich£y

When will Arsenal fans realise that they need to concentrate on teams around where they are in the league, rather than holding onto an out of date rivaly with us

Hallis

In fairness, they hate Nasri, Clichy and Adebayor for going to City.

G.A.G.U.S

They pretty much despise Nasri.

Just had a look at the Arsenal rumour page.....Wow!! There's a lot of hate for RVP right now....... and they call us fickle?
Mitch.

08 Aug 2012 19:34:13
Moura has gone to PSG....! Then I read we are in for Scott Sinclair..! At least Rooney can say he was right to moan as we can't attract anybody of any quality now it seams..! Yes Kagawa will be a good addition but we can't get the BIG players anymore...!

A Fed Up NathanaSe7en

When have we ever signed the BIG players? Even Gascoigne and Shearer turned us down, not to mention Ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc etc.

08 Aug 2012 18:35:53
line ups for tonight:

mine

_________ De Gea

Velencia_ Vidic _ Ferdinand_ Evra

____ Carrick __ Anderson

_ Nani ___ Kagawa _ Young

_________ Rooney


Oxred

08 Aug 2012 18:54:15
Agreement reeached between psg and sao Paulo for moura. Another we've missed out on
I think RVP is the only signing we need tbh and the league will be back at OT

08 Aug 2012 18:47:31
Lucas Moura signs for PSG just confirmed.

I'm getting sick and tired of this United get linked with the big names just to keep the fans happy.

But its not keeping the fans happy by getting them excited about a signing and then nothing happening or them moving to another club.

So you answered your own question, that isn't why they do it. We were linked because we were interested but psg offered silly money.

Should we have paid 45 million for him and let him stay in brazil for 6 months? That's what all the fans appear to be suggesting, it's ludicrous. We need quality now not in 6 months when fergie hates getting players anyway. Imagine how much Sao Paulo wanted for us to take him now?

How people complain we don't buy anyone then suggest we spend so much on one player to leave him where he is is beyond me.

GDS

08 Aug 2012 17:54:56
lucas moura has a lot of potential. But for united he doesnt solve the cm position. According to sources in Brazil, he has been inconsistent. We need someone who can come into he team and make an instant impact. Very happy that we have not wasted 30+ million on him. Van Persie will boost our goal difference and options up front. Now for the cm position...

08 Aug 2012 17:37:05
What is all this banter rubish, fans including myself we are not helping matters, only reading the banter post i am confuse. Surpose if i were sir alex, i wouldnu have known the player i would've gone for with banter arguements condeming players that is being link to the club, mentioning whether he is world class, underated, overrated, injury prone, jumping from main targert of the club that has not been finalised to a player that is far from our target, leaving all of them unfinished. Pls allow the club to make a final decision when we fans metion a player that is good for the club put pressure till u see it a done deal, before u mention another player than mention plenty names of a player, end up archieving none is absolute nonsese. As we link with witsel, moutiho, modric, dembele, sahin, all this is good to see one of then at man utd shirt this season please i am pleading with my fellow fans, stop saying this or that for a player, just pray to see any one of them put pen on paper. Thanks man.red.

What?

The page is about banter, don't like it don't come here. I think that's what you are saying.

GDS

08 Aug 2012 17:36:03
christian eriksen ......united should try to sign him .he is cheaper than moura

08 Aug 2012 16:59:39
Sly sports (tv) have picked up on the MENs story that RVP could fly back as early as tonight for talks with man utd and say "senior players are positive he will be joining"
But we all know how accurate sly are !
Warrington red

08 Aug 2012 16:26:08
Whats with all the people desperate to get rid of Nani? He is one of the best wingers in the world, yes he has his bad days but one he gets into rhythm he will be scoring every game, we want a better attack force not a weaker one, more options Ferguson has the better.

-JakeW

I dont think many people are 'desperate' to see him go but there are certain reasons why it MIGHT make sense

e.g.

- his best position is RW, where one of our best performers (Valencia) also plays
- he's not great on the left - which is what we need
- he's inconsistent (last season he probably played bad more than he played well!)
- if he stays we will have to give him an improved contract as his is running out, he wants a very big wage, but is that acceptble given the above?

In all honesty I'm massively undecided when it comes to Nani. One thing he does guarante is goals and assists. But if we do sell him and buy someone who is actually left footed or a natural LW I'll be satisfied

Gav

Nani is one of the best there is, there aren't too many better wingers than him out there. And none of the ones that are better than him are available anyway.

RedDevil19

I agree Gav, it's tricky one! You can't deny that on his day he's world class. But as I've said before on this site, he has about 3 days a year! He now can't be guaranteed the RW or CAM position as we have Kagawa and Valencia. And as you rightly say, he isn't his best on the left. There are teams who need a player like Nani and will pay for him too. I say we cash in on him and bring in someone who we really need.

Andy

If he can score in every single game then by all means keep him, not even Ronaldo managed that feat in a red shirt. However he wont even get close to half of that.

08 Aug 2012 14:31:04
So Lucas Moura is apparently on his way to PSG. Surprise, surprise! I for one am just thankful that we can finally draw a line under the situation now. Am i disappointed? Not entirely, no. I was more disappointed to miss out on Hazard but I think the "typical" response from so called United fans is laughable!

Let's face the facts. We don't have the millions of your Chelsea, City or PSG. They have a massive advantage in that department and are always likely to trump us however the sad reality for us is that the modern day player is majorly motivated by money. I've read what everyone has to say and they are fully entitled to their opinions but I cannot believe the over-reaction yet again. People acting as if Lucas Moura was going to be a savior. The lad has all the potential. But that's it for me just now. He could go on and become one of the best but lets not kid ourselves into believing we were buying a player at the top of his game. I'm actually glad he is going to PSG. If he doesn't realise the opportunity he had infront of him then unfortunately he is blind-sighted and I think we all know that's down to the role of agent's and representatives.

The issue of not spending money, again, is self-explanatory. The funds are clearly available. Depending on who you believe we were prepared to pay anywhere between £25-£32million for Lucas and probably the same for Hazard and that's not even including a wage packet. Hopefully we can now switch our attention to the priorities that we have to address.

The centre of the pitch has been causing me, and many, a headache for some time now. I think Carrick had his best season in a United jersey last year but I'm not convinced by him at times. Anderson is a hugely frustrating player because he has the talent but injuries have savaged him and it's not make or break. Scholes is the master. Not quite like he used to be and you can guarantee he won't play every week but we can still benefit from having him. Fletcher was badly missed last year and it remains unclear when or if he will return. Giggs offers us something in the middle aswell but I don't think he is a natural in the centre. I would love Luka Modric. He fits the bill perfectly. I think he would excel at OT and I don't think we are completely out the picture. Similarly to him, Moussa Dembele has been linked. Honestly, we could do worse. I was impressed with him at times last year at Fulham. Joao Moutinho had a great Euro 2012 but I think he's now unlikely to move. The other player in a creative capacity being overlooked is Yohann Cabaye. Defo worth consideration. Also, I think we lack a bit of steel or somebody in the engine room. Axel Witsel could be the key. Benfica were moniroring Anderson, a deal could certainly come to fruition for me. Javi Martinez would be a quality signing. Highly doubtful but if SAF was going to splash the cash on a marquee signing I think he would be a smashing signing. Nuri Sahin is another who I believe could be a worthwhile signing. He was dynamite at Dortmund and has been overlooked at Madrid, United could provide him with the perfect setting to get his career back on track. Yann M'Villa was a player before the Euro's I would have bitten your hands off for in the excess £15million but now I think he would be somewhat of a last resort, didn't impress at the Euro's and if Mr Wenger has doubts (He is like the French master) then I don't see him fitting the bill in England. For me, the one player i'd love to see join United. Maybe controversial, is Alex Song. People underestimate him, last season he was a standout in midfield and got overlooked because of how super a season RVP had. I would encourage a move for him he would thrive at us imo. Victor Wanyama has been mentioned also, I would see him much like M'Villa a player not near the top of our list.

Defensively, Left Back needs to be sorted out. Evra isn't the same player he was 18 months ago. He gets exposed far too easy in matches and SAF obviously wants competition but I still think he will be our number 1 LB therefore he will still play a big part next season. Jetro Willems would be an awesome acquisition. He's young, pacey and working as an understudy to Evra would learn a lot. Perhaps he is unlikely. Baines looked a cert. A couple of months down the line and nothing! Oviedo is another. I don't know an awful lot about him tbh but we definetly need a left back and I would certainly trust SAF's judgement if he is the player we bring in. Ally Cissokho is another who is contuesly linked with every club around Europe. He was outstanding at Porto and if it was between Baines, Oviedo and him i know who I would pick. Cissokho would be the long-term replacement and I think would be a fantastic signing.

Finally, regarding RVP. I'm in two minds. On the one hand, he's the reigning top goalscorer and Player of the Year and scored goals for fun last season.On the other side, it was his first full injury free campaign in what 7 or 8 seasons at Arsenal. If Arsenal want, as rumoured, around £25million then I would be saying bye bye to any deal for RVP. As a 29 year old in the last year of his contract I think the money could be spent better elsewhere in the team. If he was to stay fully fit then the potential partnership of him and Rooney is frightening. But how would that hinder Chicharito and Welbeck. The criticism of Hernandez is crazy imo. He was plagued by injuries throughout last year and still delivered a solid return of goals. We need players like him. Poachers, someone who just needs a sniff to score. And Welbeck, people forget it was his first full season of regular first team action. He just needs time to flourish at times the link up play with him and Wazza was wonderful. So is RVP a necessity? No, for me he's a luxury.

Sorry for rambling on but as a passionate United fan I felt the need to say my piece. We have brought in 2 players thus far. Kagawa, who I think is a superb signing for us, and Powell, a young lad who has the world at his feet and is at the perfect club to allow him to fulfill his potential. I hope that a couple of new faces arrive and i'm confident that SAF and co are doing everything they can to bring in the right players. I'd agree wee need to invest but either way we are MUFC, not a project like many have said and regardless of whether we bring in any further additions i'll be behind the lads, supporting them and my club 100% of the way.

Bring on number 20 fella's!

Rosco.

08 Aug 2012 13:35:49
We should be completely honest with ourselves though - why would top player want to play at United if PSG, Barca and City are interested as well?

cozinoz

Beacause we are one of the best clubs in the world? 19 League titles ring a bell? Best Manager in the world? Seriously, are you joking?

-JakeW

Good question, simpe answer....
We don't have the pulling power anymore, we cant compete with money machines.
Glazers out....
HERBIE

'Cough' 'cough' Sigurdsson.

Sydney!

Are you suggesting because of the money or because of the prestige of playing for them clubs?

I am struggling to understand how you think playing for Barcelona and playing for PSG or City are the same thing? One is because of the history and how good the club is (like United / Madrid etc) the others are poor clubs with money.

GDS

8th place, Europa League, Siggurdsson turned you down for Tottenham. Marveaux turned you down for Newcastle. You can't even get Joe Allen. So shut up and pi55 off.

G.A.G.U.S

It's not always about money. Location, location, location! Surely Paris, Barcelona, Milan, London and Madrid are much more attractive options to a young stud looking for a luxurious lifestyle as well as a great football club to join. No offense , but I've never heard any of my mates here in north America excited about the prospect of vacationing in Manchester. Do you think Aguero, Toure, Silva etc will be lifers? No. They'll take the money now and run like the wind the second they get a chance to upgrade to a better city. Good on SAF for not crumbling to these crazy type transfer fees especially on young unproven kids.
Also, if you feel you don't have pulling power now, what happens when SAF leaves? Unless it's Mou to take over, or someone of that stature, your history won't get you squat!

Cozinoz

Leave us to worry about United and you worry about your own 3rd rate club.

TK-Red

We don't have as much pulling power for the top talents. If i was a top player looking for a club in Europe i would look at:
1. Level of wages offered
2. Opportunity to play with world-class players
3. The chance to win as many champions league trophies as possible.

Now honestly, in how many of those does united come out on top against other top European clubs e.g Real Madrid ,barca, bayern....?

Millz

'we' ? you wish!

Gav

I think millz hits the nail on the head
Jred

08 Aug 2012 13:29:03
I said it before and i will say it again. We have done our transfer dealings. Two players thats it. There is no money so get used to it. Stop playing fantasy football and get in the real world. Madrid will not sell us a player unless its worth their while. We will be battling for third for a while, the debt is here to stay, no matter who the onwers are. We stick by our team through thick and thin.

All the talk about Moura et al is just to keep fans off the backs of the Glazers and away from supporting MUST. We cannot match what clubs or players want in salaries. Watch as Fergie and Gill state their is no value in the market. As paid employees of the Glazers they will do their masters bidding. Watch as our best players are sold to keep the wage bill down and transfer fees are used to reduce the deficit and not re-invested in the team. Get used to battling for third and forth with Arsenal and Spurs.

Been a United fan for 40 years.

Emptyred

We just offered 30 million for Moura + 20 million for RVP. The last I checked 50 million was not 'no money'.

Since when have we battled for 3rd, we have finished lower than 2nd once in 20 years.

Maybe you should just end it all now, how depressing was that post.

GDS

GDS

Emptyred, we have no problem with our wage bill. In fact our wage bill is only 42% of our turnover and our turnover is rising rapidly. Gilly

08 Aug 2012 13:14:22
A DREAM SEASON.

DDG- beats VDS's record of consecutive clean sheets.
Rafael- cementing his position as a solid RB.
Evans- coming in when Rio needs a rest & looking an able deputy.
Jones- turns out to be a very important CDM in Europe & against top EPL teams away from home.
Vidic- scoring at least 5 goals from corners.
Evra- releasing it maybe his last season & playing out of his skin.
Valencia & Nani notching double figures in goals & assists.
Cleverley & Anderson- to stay fit all season.
Fletcher- to come back stronger than ever.
Kagawa- player of the season award.
Welbeck & Chicharito 15 goals each.

Powell, Cole, Lingard, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe- the odd COC if not loaned appearance.
Rooney- 30plus goals.

Rvp 30 plus if we get him!

Caolán.

But do we win our trophy back?
PSY

08 Aug 2012 12:51:45
RVP seems as though he will be the next signing, great news if it happens! however fergie has to go for Nuri Sahin! Real Madrid have confirmed they will allow the player to leave, therefore we could get him for a nock down price? even if it means taking him on loan with a view to permanent offer, he has proved himself at BVB he just never got the chance at Real, great player hope we go for him.-Jono.

Rumours are that Liverpool are in for him. If he is that good we can't let him go there!

Arsenal are also looking just in case Song leaves. Surely Song would be worth a bid (even though Wenger would hate dealing with us)?

FredtheRed

08 Aug 2012 12:36:34
Ins:
Robin Van Persie = 20m
Nuri Sahin = 16m (new DM)
Usain Bolt = Trial to contract ;)
Lucas Moura = 30m(unlikely)
(and i believe we need a LB)

Total : 66m
Outs:
Fabio = Loan
Berbatov = 7m
Macheda = Loan/Sold = 3.5m
Hernandez?? = 15m

Total:25.5m

66m - 25.5m = 43.5m

Chelsea have been recentley offered a Left Back- Alvaro Pereira, he is 26, and the asking price was originally £30million but now is £15million. It is an option for you and especially as Chelsea have Cole and Bertrand on the cards they won't be in to much of a rush to get him.

Are people seriously putting Usain Bolt in?

There is a minor problem when you think about it, he isn't a footballer!!

GDS

08 Aug 2012 12:34:36
So we have missed out on Lucas Moura, it leaves me both happy and frustrated. Happy because we aren't adding to an already strong area of the squad and blowing most of our budget doing it. But also frustrated because we have missed out on a very talented young player. Still though he would have been more of a luxury signing than one which was needed.

RVP is looking quite likely at the minute but then again Lucas was odds on 2 days ago. Still hoping for that CM and maybe a left back but looking like only one more signing at the moment and that is RVP who again might be considered a luxury more than a necessity.

Rjmanutd

08 Aug 2012 12:18:24
Personally I don't think we need moura with the likes of Nani and Valencia we are definitley ok without him. It will be interesting to see how he develops at PSG and i'm sure we will be hearing alot from him.
There have been a lot of rumours about Van Persie signing for us. We are definitley at the front of the queue for him, beating Man city and Juventus. He will probably cost £25million and I can see him being an amazing goal scorer. Maybe not as early as the end of this week but definitley by the end of the transfer window we will see him in our squad.

08 Aug 2012 12:06:47
I sometimes get worried when people condemn young talents of being "money grabbers" when we are priced out by other clubs.One thing we should bear in mind is that, this contemporary style of football is no longer conected with 'the love for a club' nevertheless,where the 'cash' is.If not all most of these talents will want to join a club that is ready to spend and meets their valuation.It just that we are not ready to spend big.It was David Silva,Sanchez, etc. the previous season and it is Asamoah,Hazard and Moara this season(more even to follow).We just have to be serious about our transfer policy.

I agree, if we oursleves were in a situation where we had two different job offers doing the exact same thing and one had much better pay we would immediatley go for the better paid option. So we cannot just condemn the players for being 'money grabbers' when its Human nature and what we ourselves would do.

Let's take Man Utd out of the equation because I'm a huge fan and this will only skew my decision. Let's say Arsenal and Anzhi made an offer for your services; Arsenal 80k a week, Anzhi 150k a week. I know which one I would take. Arsenal every time! They are a very well respected footballing club in one if the best leagues in the world, so its totally false and a very easy sweeping statement to make that "everybody would go to the club giving a higher wage".

Most of today's young footballers are money grabbers with money grabbing agents. We will always try and select young footballers who arent ie Powell, Chiquarito, Smalling, Jones etc. Hopefully when FFP rules come in, the Market will level off with regards to transfer fees and wages.

FredtheRed

Is it the players or their agents who are money grabbers? With south americans in particular it seems like the agent's have a big say in what happens, which is sad

I agree with FredtheRed to an extent. However, PSG might end up being a good move for Moura TBF to him. We often see Brazilians going to the 'lesser' Portugese league first to earn some European experience - so this could be a good stepping stone for him. He'll probably move to Real in 2 years time if things go well!

Gav

08 Aug 2012 11:19:41
Ok so the so called biggest club in the world has missed out on another target to a much smaller team. Last season it was nasri to our nearest rivals, this season it's been hazard and moura. I just hope now we can get RVP in. But I can't see it happening as we miss out on targets above the price of what £12 million ? We never give what it takes to bring top class players in that can change a game and help us win titles. Man city did it last season and won the league. If we don't sign anyone else we won't finish above 3rd even if we sign a left back we still won't because we haven't got a good enough midfield neither are we good enough going foward. Never will we be as good going foward without Ronaldo. So new targets ? Eds opinions ? Anyone else's opinion. Musts are Witsel and RVP. I personally would also like to see Debuchy at the club because he is great going foward, Demba Ba who we could get for less than £10 million and he is a proven prolific goal scorer in the premier league. But let's face it we haven't got what it takes to attract world class players anymore they would rather choose the better teams in the world like bayern, man city, Chelsea and the barca's and real madrids. We could of gr a world class left back in the name of alba for less than £15 million but no missed out on a real good player that would of contributed well to winning games and silverware because we weren't willing to give that extra couple of million. I wonder if we will cough up enough to get in subotic and hummels in a couple of seasons time ? They will be the best centre back pairing in the world, and will be good replacements to vidic and rio. I guess not because they will be attracted to the bigger clubs. Let's face it now we are not a "big" club that can promise players silverware. Also lewansowski would be a great signing, he is going to be one of the best strikers round, and worth a good £30-35 million in a couple of years to come so why not lets make a £20-25 million bid now with add ons. Don't be stupid we won't commit to such a good idea as that. Let's face it were a club o. The decline sorry "fans"

Either you're a Citeh, Chelski or scouser on the wind-up. That, or you're one of those glory hunting fans who gets more enjoyment out of signings than you do a good win. Stick to footy manager mate, real life football is obviously a bit realsitic and boring for you!

'we never give it what it takes to bring top class players in'.

no it means we wont be held to ransom and bow to the demands of money hungry agents,clubs and players and i hope we never do.

phil

Its too unrealistic to produce a great list of players for us. We have to be careful with our money much more so than the likes of Chelsea and City. We are heavily in debt and when we lose out to players its because of our unfortunate financial situation. If we are gooing to get Van Persie I can't see any other over £10million signings this summer. Which in this transfer market is what we need to sign half decent players to strengthen our squad.

We are losing out to ridiculous offers quite simply. I hate this "no value in the market" stuff as well. But in Hazard and Moura I would say the fees involved were/are ridiculous, look at the fees paid in Spain bar Fabregas which was a different matter being a home town boy.
Personally I dont think WItsel and Ba are good signings at all, What is all the Witsel excitement all of a sudden, seems to have grown since the Belgium v England friendly. He is a technically decent, strong but pretty average player from what I have seen, dont get the fuss at all.
As for Debuchy, we have Rafael, Hummels and Subotic, yes very good, we have Smalling and Jones and Evans (personally I dont like Evans) but the first two are English and have huge potential
Invisible STuey

Exaggeration at it's highest. We need a LB and 1-2 tidy players. We clearly have issues regarding payments to greedy agents, whether it's the Glazers or the manager I don't know, but this summer we need to overpay to bring in the targets.

Sydney!

It was my post by the way
Bp, forgot to name it.
I wouldn't say alba cost a stupid amount I would say that he is 1 of the best transfers ever. So how your saying that I don't know.
Bp

Bp, Alba was not an option for us, he only wanted Barcelona. Ba would cost upwards of £15m, not under £10m. I do not believe Ba is good enough either. We do not need Debuchy as we have Rafael. We do not need any CB's until Rio retires.

Sydney!

Who was ronaldo,nani and vidic before they came to utd we turn them into stars not like hazard he thinks he's the bee's knees already

I thought ba had a £7 million release clause ? Oh well and as for debuchy and alba imagine these to in our squad ? I would love to see it. And for when it's the end of vidic and rio I would also love to see subtonic and hummels, know how each other play and are both reasonably young, imagine a double swoop in a couple of seasons for these 2 cb's, would be great.
Bp - just my opinion.

It's been reported that ba has a 7 mill release in his contract ,I think he confirmed it himself last week
Jred

08 Aug 2012 10:48:23
Horray, it looks as though the Lucas Moura saga is over. He is going to be a great player, but at the end of the day he was always a luxury. We have Nani and Valencia for the right, both of whom are world class - if anything its the left hand side that is of concern, but we still have Young and Welbeck who will play a fair few games over there. As for van Persie, if he doesn't sign, do you think we will go in for either Lewandowski or Llorente? I don't see the need for a striker, I never have since the signing of Kagawa. Hopefully we will get a left back, Bryan Oveido would be a good signing, as would Izaguirre. Baines seems off the list since he seems keen on being at Everton next season.

If we get neither RVP or a winger, I really hope we get Axel Witsel. He's my first choice centre midfielder (apart from Modric). Witsel is a class option and can stand up to Yaya Toure which is something we need. However, with Fergie's comments about Fletcher, a central midfield signing may not be likely. Are we just looking at signing a new left back and thats it?

RedDevil19

08 Aug 2012 09:44:24
So we lost out on the £30 million rated Moura, who cares. All this proves to me is that Fergies right about no value in the market, 19 years old and unproven. Yes he can skip past a few defenders in Brazil. He would get clattered in the prem, Fergie obv has funds available and will use them. People need to stop barking about us not making massive signings, Fergie loves to use youth and will continue to do so. I still say RVP is coming in and Fergie will defo have other options, moan after the transfer day deadline if kagawa and powell are the only signings or sing his praises for making a couple of signings nobody expected. What do you think Ed??

08 Aug 2012 08:59:39
I wonder sometimes what this site would be like if the club was still a plc and Martin Edwards was still Chairman. It seems to me that it would be about the same - only the names would have changed.
When was this golden pre Glazer era of unlimited transfer funds and every transfer target agreeing to join us?
I seem to remember huge dissent regarding dividends to shareholders, Edwards grip on the purse strings, no value in the market, players opting for sunnier climes/bigger wages etc etc
I'm no fan of the Glazers, I was no fan of Edwards but I do trust Sir Alex to try to try to recruit the best players for our team and develop the youth talent we have. He's not done badly for us despite any constraints placed on him over the years.
Have a little faith guys and don't be sucked in by paper talk of overpriced and underproven teenage whizzkids we've only seen on youtube.
Mr Q

The main issue with the plc was wages the transfer fees were never that much of a problem, once kean had dug his heels in and broke the pay structure we were quite competitive in the transfer market.
in the last 5 years we payed big money for
ferdy one of the best CB in the world
Veron one of the best CM in the world
rooney THE best young player in the world.
Also at the time we bullied PSV into selling RVN who was the best up and coming striker in europe,he chose us over Madrid.
we also bullied munich into selling hargreaves.

there were issues with the plc especially with the wage structure but once that was sorted i think we done well in the transfer market buying quality players and more importantly in the last 5 years of the plc if fergy wanted a player he normally got him.
jred

Jred, the difference was RVN & Hargreaves were very keen on joining United. They forced their way out of their clubs to join us. Most players nowadays are not fussed who they play for, as long as a club pays the player and his agent what they want they will sign for them. Times have changed.

Sydney!

In 2002 we had a complete squad apart from one position. We sold Stam a year earlier and Blanc replaced him for a season before he retired, but Stam still needed replacing. Rio Ferdinand was the best EPL defender and English (just how the manager likes it) so the manager could afford to spend his entire kitty on him. Leeds bought him for £18m so he was always going to cost around £10m more than that. With Leeds wanting to make a profit and United's and Leeds harsh rivalry it was always going to be in the high 20's.

We can hardly say Ferdinand wasn't worth the money.

Sydney!

I think there is a big difference between paying huge fees for the top English and for large parts of Europe top players as opposed to further afield. Manchester United are THE club to play for to an English player (though with the sugar daddies even this has changed to a degree, look at Hazard). Manchester United DOESNT mean the same thing to a SOuth AMerican so do you really think Moura cares that much for us? It is the Spanish and Italian giants mean somethign there. To live in Paris for a rich team with Brazilians and money to spend, and probably a high wage, are you surprised? The ONLY rally big marquee signing outside of England we have ever made has been Veron, I think its only an issue to younger fans or because of beign frustrated by these sugar daddies. Personally from the little I have seen of Moura the thought of £35m+ sounds ridiculous
Invisible STuey

Syd

you could argue that at the time we were paying more competitive wages and could compete with the big boys the money we offered RVN & Hargreaves may well of been equal or more than munich madrid offered.
but im not going to argue about it because it just gets boring.

the op raised the issue that it was not always great under the PLC and he was quite right , however i think once kean broke the wage structure and we started to pay competitive wages we done quite well in the transfer market.

I think in the last 5 years of the PLC we competed well at the top end of the transfer market,

your quite right about ferdinand , we only needed one player in 2002 a quality CB and fergy went out and payed a world record transfer fee for a cb who for me was the best CB in the world who had also just had a fantastic 2002 world cup.

best part of 30 mil on a cb 10 years ago.
jred

Not you mate, but I think the breaking the transfer fee record on Keane etc etc is nonsense. To break the record now you would have to spend £80m+, Keane cost a few million. £3.75m back in 1994 is £6.4m now.

That is how high transfer fees have got. Hazards/Lucas' agent wanted the equivalent of Roy Keane's transfer for themselves. That is crazy. Can you imagine an agent wanting £3.75m back when Keane was signed? Football fees have risen much much much higher than inflation has.

£80m back in 1993 was £47m. Keane cost £3.75m.

Sydney!

08 Aug 2012 08:41:44
United need a central midfielder end of story get strootman

United need two mid-fielders ! Two dynamic or box to box mid-fielders . Everyone bemoans Berba for slowing our play down !! Carrick and Scholes are pedestrian at best! No disrespect to Carrick and Scholesy , it's just time waits for no man .Let's get back to dominating teams ! Everyone knows games are usually won and lost in the mid-field.

fozzy58

Get Strootman... So good that he couldn't even get into a pathetic Netherlands team at Euro 2012.... Needs to prove him self in the Eredvise first

fearny

08 aug 2012 08:37:30
everyone saying it will be between utd,city or chelsea for the league.what about arsenal?they have made quite a few decent signings?think it would be foolish to write them off even if they do lose rvp.hope liverpoo get relegated.lol

quinner99

08 Aug 2012 08:15:22
Been reading the posts on this site for a few years now and it's starting to get bloody frustrating. Not because of City fans trying to wind is up and not because Moura is the latest in a long line of players to apparently turn united down for a big pay day that Fergie is reluctant to offer. The main thing winding me up is people trying to predict how United will play next season and trying to cram players into a 4-4-2. Surely it's been made fairly obvious that that system, although it's worked in the past, is now outdated and ineffective. Modern day football is about possession and teams can only do that with a selection of quality, technical players like Kagawa, Modric or Scholes packing the midfield. Surely Spain at the Euros showed us all how a game can be dominated with quality midfield players. I don't want to seem patronising but people need to wake up an realise that 4-4-2 is almost dead, especially in the champions league. I honestly think united's best line up would be a 4-2-3-1 and that United only need to go to Celtic and spend about £20 million to complete what would be a very strong squad. I welcome any comments.

Matt

I think united have been playing either 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 depending on who we are playing for a few years now
jred

08 Aug 2012 07:17:11
Lucas just confirmed the PSG deal. -KG

08 Aug 2012 00:13:20
Oh, so we're not signing Moura? Oh well, I always thought he was sh*t anyway!

G.A.G.U.S

I think GAGUS was being sarcastic about how some people are bigging players up when we are interested and then cursing them when they go elsewhere. Gilly

08 Aug 2012 00:45:38
Moura and rvp r not what we need! I would Rather spend the 50-60 million on izaguirre/cissokho lewandowski and moutinho. Would be much much better business IMO.
Utdtillidie

Oviedo 7m
Sahin 16m
Angelo Henriquez 3m

Total 26m
That'll do us this season.

If Macheda & Chicharito don't do it this season we can get Lewandowski cheap or Llorente free next season.

Plus we'd need a CB by then Hummels.

08 Aug 2012 00:25:11
I am 90% sure Moura will sign for us:
1. Fergie is up to something big.
2. I have met him and asked him about United, he didn't answer but just looked at me and smiled.
3. He knows he will get gametime with us and Fergie's rotating squads.
4. He prefers us to PSG.

IMO Van Persie (if he signs) isn't just because of his raw talent, but it also attracts players, as SAF can then say to Moura 'you can now play behind Rooney and RVP' sounds a very attractive offer, and it also shows that we can still compete in the market, which we always have been, we are just smart with our money. I expect RVP to either sign a new contract for Arsenal by the end of this week, or sign for us by the end of next week. I also expect Moura to sign for us within a week of the Olympics finishing.

Jake F

Bad timing with this post mate!

Gav

08 Aug 2012 00:03:10
L.Moura talked to 'Folha' after the game abt PSG: This is the good thing, I'll stay at SPFC until the end of the year. It's well underway'

"I spoke with Thiago Silva and Leonardo too. They spoke very well of the club. It is a wonderful project"

Seems he is off to PSG

PRR8

Chin up PRR8 mate, you've still got Anderson. Who needs Moura?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

You still got Henderson, Adams and Downing!

Chin up Blair, you might win your first EPL this year......probably not!

Blair,you do know that when anderson is fit,he better than adam,henderson,shelvy and spearing put together,just thought id let you know ;)

phil

Your right blair....

thanks.....

Oxred

The only way Anderson will be considered a brilliant player will be if he moves to Anfield ;-)

Jono

Could be worse we could be stuck wit Jordan henderson or andy Carroll or Charlie Adam or Stuart downing in fact it could be much worse luis suarez .....enough said...

CAIN