08 Dec 2011 23:52:55
Last summer was a big summer for utd we hoped! We got young who I didn't think we needed but then sin him link up wiv rooney clev ando n nani n was pleased ill give him a full season n then decide! Jones seemed weird coz 17 mil was a lot but can totaly c y we got him now. But midfield was were we needed t spend coz our midfield is full of squad players like park giggs carrick fletch who r all gud wiv a world class player alongside but we don't have one n this summer chelsea got mata spurs kept modric city already have silva yaya dejong barry a few of them utd wuda signed years ago. Y did we not sign a world class midfielder. Wesley is a perfect example ie available seems up 4 it wud b great fit at utd wud bring out best in rooney but we didn't get him y?? I neva doubt utd n sir alex but I'm worried we get left behind! Is there money to spend? United99
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08 Dec 2011 23:15:39
After that performance it is time to bring McClaren in for the job he was groomed to do. ferguson seems to have lost the plot with his transfers, tactics and team formations. The ex-England manager is the only one who understands the runnings of Man Utd and he needs to be brought in before someone does another Basle
08 Dec 2011 22:51:28
Smalling is a rock, a rock with pace and ball control, we're so lucky to have him, especially while Vidic is out.
Percy
08 Dec 2011 22:44:08
Ashley Young is the worst player for utd this season. Apart from evans
08 Dec 2011 22:38:48
Surely with Gary Cahill going for a free in the summer and us out of Europe/him not cup tied ontop of how weak we look at the back he is on the cards in January?. Bolton will want money for him so he is going in january
08 Dec 2011 22:24:23
Gutted about last night but I think it will be the trigger of a resurgence and investment.
The news about Vidic is a terrible blow and i can't see any way wont be spending in Jan.
Like most I would expect to see Berba, gibson and maybe macheda move on but I have no idea who we could be bringing in?
Id like to see Subotic (sp) come in now Vidic is out, wait until summer for a LB, buy at least one CM (marvin Martin, Lucas, rodwell, Sissoko, eriksen, modric), a LWin the summer (bale or gaitin or pedro) and then a striker in the summer.
What do others think?
What do we think we actually happen?
Are we actually interested in anyone?
Ajp
08 Dec 2011 22:10:44
upfront
i think owen will stay 1more year, berb & diouf will go, macheda most prob go out on loan.
i dont think we will buy a striker but think need a big front man
midfield
gibson is on last 6months of contract (syd can back this up am sure) giggs will surely retire, park will be squad player for a year atleast.
think we should get rodwell (cover for cb too) and hamsik
defence
if rio retires then may get cahill, but evra wont go
even if get a lb hope evans goes but doubt will
dags
08 Dec 2011 22:10:27
With UTD getting knocked out of CL and a few youngsters missing from the reserves game against Sunderland has Fergie decided that its time to blood a few youngsters and make our first team players realise they aren't untouchable.
They deserve it. There are no excuses for how we have played. Blaming injuries etc is poor and and is an easy way to cover up our fragile team.
Yes we need to re invest in our squad but questions are being raised about how much money is available etc.
I personally hope we go for the Europa cup be nice to win it. Too much negativity about it.
I think that Fergie maybe becoming obstinate in his old age. Sticking with players that don't cut the mustard and even Keane pointed out some very obvious flaws within our squad.
08 Dec 2011 22:04:09
Thing is i dont get is how has berba gone to top scorer last season to bench warmer?
He never suddenly turned crap, it was due to the fact Wazza's and Chicha's budding partnership. This season when he has played everybody has complained about him, yet realistically he hasnt been given the time of day by Fergie. Aldershot performance wasn't too convincing, mind.
Seriously, watch some of his goals from last season his last 2 goals at blackburn were brilliant finishing. Second at Liverpool was insanely good. Cant deny the touch and class he has.
SAF_IS_GOD
08 Dec 2011 21:58:00
I'm gonna be abit contraversal here and say that IMO i don't think Alba or Gotze would be ideal signings for us.
For me Alba just isn't good enough yet with his defending and wouldn't be much of an improvement on Evra. We need someone who is gonna be much more solid and allow other better suited players to move forward without fear of being caught on the break.
Gotze will cost too much and would proberly be looking to make his dream move to Madrid 3/5 years after we sign him.
Shappy
08 Dec 2011 21:11:13
"Unfortunately he has suffered a ruptured cruciate ligament." - Silvano Martina (Vidic's agent)
Sh!t.
Matthew...
08 Dec 2011 20:19:01
Five
P's that summarize the season so far of Manchester united
1.
Poor Midfield (especially central):
Whilst
the news of retirement of scholes is yet to reach the various corners of the
world its effects are clearly visible on this current team. I won't say it is a
total loss of creativity just coz giggs is there but having to play him in the
central part of the field is ignominy in itself. If u say utd have the 'best'
wingers then you must redefine your 'best' word. I thought Shaqiri(left footed
winger of basel) was 10 times best yesterday producing 2 world class crosses
that we get to see from the left foot of Gareth bale. Nani is rather interested
in showing his Circle dance(cultural dance of Portugal) when he gets the ball;
inviting another 2 more players to take the ball away from him and yes
sometimes he produces some breathtaking crosses but there is no one at the end
of them, I won't talk about young much but he has to prove a lot in front of
old trafford faithfuls, while park is
winger or central midfielder is still a moot question to many but looking at
yesterdays performance every time he got the opportunity to cross he used to
pass it back to evra reaffirming my doubt that whether this guy can make long
pass or not
2.
Predictable United:
While
I mentioned that loss of creative player in a midfield above, it is inevitable
that build up to the most of the goals starts from wing and that is very much predictable.
Central players pass it to the wingers then they try to cross them low or high
in air and opposite teams are very much aware that utd will keep the ball most
of the time (that’s what possession stats say) they can't play those silky
passes from center of the field coz of obvious reason and they are prepare to
have them ball and defend the wings so
that most of the crosses will be blocked. I watched each and every match of utd
this season and I can surely tell you I am sick of watching them passing
starting from back (evra to young then to central midfielder then again to evra
and cycle goes on) making them look so ordinary and predictable. It was same yesterday but with a
little difference that all the players were charging towards the goalmouth when
the crosses were flying but there was nobody on the edge of the 18 yard box. I
think lack of innovative ideas is the reason for it.
3.
Puzzled Rooney:
While
most of the united fans can't believe his tap-in miss from 6 yards yesterday
when utd were 1 down but it epitomizes him not having the sedulous
concentration on the pitch since the world cup in africa.There is no doubt in
his potential but it seems he has splenetic opinions in each and every event on
the pitch and in that process he lose control of his anger. Remaining off sides,
kicking or pulling other players whenever he likes will not help his
footballing reputation as sir alex looks upon him as a anchor of the united
newfangled squad.
4.
Paranoid Fans:
As
most of the fans who repined for Sneijder in whole summer are losing their
sleep as they can't understand why sir alex has not got this talented
midfielder while blue Manchester was buying players as if they were shopping in
a mall. Whatever maybe the reason but that feeling was aggrieved when it was
everybody to see that utd are struggling but to sir Alex to rebuffed it several
times reciting he has full faith in this squad (sign of a good manager to back
his players even if whole world is against them).But After the embarrassing
exit from UCL and as the things are settled down in the back of the mind he
very well knows that he needs a game changer who can be the conduit of his
footballing passion on the field(as Ronaldo at Madrid an Rooney in his own
world).
5.
Plenty of injuries:
This
is one thing everyone is saying as the reason for utd's domestic as well as
european slump.As indeed they have so many good players injured who contributed
to their free flowing football at the start of the season starting from
promising cleverly to the goal poacher Hernandez and yesterday stalwart like
vidic but their replacement ,the likes of evans,Macheda(god knows what he was
doing when he hit the crossbar when the whole goal was open yesterday),Gibson
are not up to utd's standard and there is a hope that when these players return
they will have positive effects on the team but untill that time the struggle
continues.
As
I write, these are some things that I witnessed in last year or so. I have full
faith in a manager as now he has some clear tough decisions to make and as truly
said that buying world class players isn't a solution and those who think so
need to look at the other half of manchester.But just need to vent out these
things coz I had a fitful sleep every night utd played in Europe as match in my
time zone starts at 1.30am and to watch them up to 4am (go to office next day
morning) and to see them struggling like this is bit frustrating as I think utd
fans deserve better that champions league exit.
08 Dec 2011 19:45:26
Don't u guys think rooney should be left out for some matches as others should get chances. Its the same what sir did to berbatov last year and hernandes was born. He should try it.
Rooney has played good but is not scoring and same did berbatov last year and he was left out now sir should do the same
08 Dec 2011 19:31:15
Joe I do respect your opinion but do you honestly believe that:
Kuschack, Evans, Evra, Giggs, Park, Gibson, Anderson, Diouf, Owen, Berbatov, Macheda and some might say Rio (i don't)
All deadwood, not performing.
Can be replaced with 3 or 4 players.... Seriously, I don't, 6 at least 7 would be great and they would need to be brought in to replace the ones not good enough.
HERBIE
__________________________________
Look out of the players you listed HERBIE, these are who I think will stay; Evans, Anderson, Rio, Macheda, Evra.
Evans is a fine 5th choice CB. Anderson isn't going anywhere and we all know that. Rio won't leave for another season, and Macheda is only 20, give him some more time. Evra isn't going anywhere either, SAF obviously doesn't feel the same way some of us do about him.
Without wanted to bore many of you I just want to give an example of how we can replace the remaining players with just the 4.
Keepers: De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos.
Defence: Vidic, Rio, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Fabio, Evra, Evans, Fryers, and mystery LB.
Midfield: Nani, Valencia, Young, Anderson, Cleverly, Carrick, Fletcher, Pogba, Morrison and x2 mystery CM's!
Forwards: Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Macheda, Will Keane, x1 Mystery striker.
This team isn't lacking, and that is only 4 additions.
Tell me who we could replace Evans with that would be happy being 5th or 4th choice that is any better than him?
If another LB impresses then Evra might go but not before that. Macheda might yet come good.
I just don't see us buying 6 players, and I don't think we need to. Just need a new spine and that could be it.
Joe.
08 Dec 2011 19:15:40
I will probably be slated for this, but i think a fully fit Anderson would have created the energy and enthusiasm needed last night
=v1=
08 Dec 2011 18:59:59
Hi, I am visiting relatives tomorrow who are Liverpool fans so I need some good Liverpool jokes if possible. Thanks
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08 Dec 2011 18:58:04
For approx 25M we could of had Nasri (i know we tried with him, just hypothetically speaking) and Parker (signing of the season and down to a t the type of player we are missing), if these two were signed i truly believe are season would not be smelling of the highly over used channel 5 parfume, and fergie would once again be hailed as a genius within the transfer market. Though i must reiterate we must not panic buy in the Jan window, if the player is unavailable we must hold tight and wait for the summer and do business properly.
JWalk
08 Dec 2011 18:54:34
in my opinion we need modric i dont think we will get him but that is who we need and a top quality striker because i think although hernandez is good his general play lacks a lot to many offsides when he really shouldn't be and in some games you will hardly see him good goal poacher but we need more than that upfront i would love to see benzema up front with rooney that probly wont happen though. we need 2 cm's not defensive or attacking ones because that is fifa talk 2 box to box all round midfielders. i think we will definitley sign some players. hopefully though we will get rid of a lot of players there is a lot of dead wood at the club at the minute and i dont like it i would rather have a smaller squad than the likes of gibson diouf carrick berbatov etc geting richer for doing nothing
08 Dec 2011 18:50:30
Didnt see the match last night but after watching some parts I see that Shaqiri started on left but because of Smalling he then switched to right to torment Evra. Please correct me if I am wrong.
08 Dec 2011 18:47:29
Can't help but notice that both Petrucci and Morrison aren't even on the bench for the reserves. Maybe looking too much into it, but maybe 1st team against Wolves?
Percy
08 Dec 2011 18:16:57
Manchester united are releasing a new perfume called...Channel No5 :)
Just havin a giggle guys we've all been knocked outta cups
MJ
08 Dec 2011 18:12:45
Quite a few replies to my post last night about who I would like to see bought to represent our great club. I know that, that looked like a massive outlay but with all the outgoings Berbatov, Rio, Evra, Carrick, Anderson, Macheda, Diouf, Owen, Park, Giggs and Evans that is a massive amount off the wage the bill and would raise more than 40 million.
Alba, Rodwell and Shaqiri could all be bought for 30-35 million.
However I would think that Gotze, Martinez and Eriksen would cost a huge amount at about 75-80 million. I believe Gotze could be signed for 25 million and add ons. Eriksen for 20 million and Martinez for 30 million.
Furthermore Higuain would cost 25-30 million. Real Madrid have made their interest in other forwards clear, Neymar and Tevez to name a few.
Those signings would make our squad complete. Our squad would consist of
De Gea, Lindengaard, Amos
Rafael, Fabio, Alba, Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Rodwell, Fryers.
Martinez, Gotze, Eriksen, Fletcher, Cleverley, Pogba
Young, Nani, Shaqiri, Morrison
Rooney, Hernandez, Higuain, Welbeck.
Now I am of the opinion that this would be the best possible team.
.....................De Gea
Rafael.....Smalling......Vidic.....Alba
...........Martinez....Gotze/Eriksen
Nani...............Rooney........Shaqiri
.....................Higuain
Now I know asking for Gotze and Eriksen is probably too much and not a necessity, however they will increase the squad drastically. Both have different styles of play and are the most promising European talents about, that are achievable at the moment in time.
Alba can defend and has impressed me a lot this year for both his national side and Valencia. He is extremely quick and is defensively secure.
Martinez needs no introduction. He is brilliant and his defending and passing is top notch. He can cover centre back as well.
Shaqiri is the cheapest of the wingers I previously mentioned however I saw a post suggesting Guitan, who I haven't seen much of. However he adds that extra dimension with his left foot and his crossing is very good.
Higuain is a better all round player than Chicharito. He is the best finisher in Europe and doesn't seem to mind squad rotation. He can only get better as he is very young.
Now that is a way better squad than we have at this current moment in time.
I saw a post asking were we would find the necessary finance for this. Aren't Man Utd expected to sell shares in the new year. I am pretty sure that would basically pay off all the bonds. Now shareholders will need the business to be successful so on the pitch results will have to be good. Also no matter how many people hate the thought the Glazers have provided funds when needed as well.
The Red Manc
ps. Any update on Vidic.. {Ed004's Note - Haven't heard anything on Vidic}
08 Dec 2011 17:26:55
Pretty disgusted by SAF's comments last night aimed at Keano- he spoke the truth saying we weren't good enough last night and needed to improve and when interviewed instead of agreeing with this which was obvious to all if you had eyes and ears SAF had a pop at Keano. Get a grip SAF. You got it wrong admit it, sort it and we move on.
08 Dec 2011 17:21:20
in a few the rivalry of the last decade
man utd
arsenal
will be back
08 Dec 2011 17:18:52
What if now we go on and win the Chanel 5 Cup and Evra is the Captain will he refuse to lift the Trophy out of Embarrassment........ I dont think so but he will look a t**t for sure after publicly stating it is embarrassing to be in the Europa League.
He is correct but never the less a t**t for saying it.
I would like to see us blood some of the younger players now in Europe like someone suggested on here the other day if this happened.
Really cannot see anyone joining in January too as all the so called big targets are playing champions League football. If i could choose a couple of players i would take Alba, Cahill and Tiote. By getting Tiote we can then play Carrick, Cleverly or Anderson in their a more suited position rather than making do. Then in the Summer look again at what is availble/needed.
Things look s**te at the moment and i am not looking forward to Attending Thursday night games but we will turn it round.
RRED7
08 Dec 2011 17:12:25
Newsflash **Due to the exit of the Manchester clubs from the Champions League there is to be a Minutes laughter at all Premier League grounds this Weekend**
08 Dec 2011 17:07:30
Evening folks. Even after a nights kip I'm still absolutely livid. I'm becoming disillusioned with the state of the first team squad. This isn't a knee jerk reaction to last nights result. I'd easily say there are 10 players in the first team squad that are no where near good enough or will be good enough to play for our club.
The brand of football we've been playing the last two years has been at times appalling. You can count on two hands the outstanding performances we've had. People talk about staying close to Barca and Madrid when in reality we are miles behind them. I'd say Vidic and Rooney are the only two players that would get into those teams.
Our midfield is now become a joke. When 8 or 9 teams in the league that we are currently champions in have a better central midfield pairing than us.
The reason I fell in love with this site was when it was a single page free for all. You'd scroll through hundreds and hundreds of rumours just to find a United one and that would get the heart racing. Now its.
We're gonna buy
Insert a player that just played against us
Insert flavour of the month
Insert over-rated British kid
Insert Football Manger wonderkid
Cristiano Ronaldo
I love the site, the banter, the jokes. Its a part of my daily routine but its time to give it a break for awhile.
Editors, your work you do is greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.
And to everyone else, it's been a pleasure to talk about the greatest club in the world with yous.
Have a good Christmas. I'll talk to yous soon.
Keep the red flag flying high!
Mumbles
08 Dec 2011 17:06:01
If those of you who are suggesting that we are in a transitional period are correct then I don't think we have too much to worry about.
If you consider the signings we have made in the last year then we are well on our way to re-creating the Manchester United we all know. These things don't happen overnight.
Consider that in January we wrapped up Smalling and Lindegaard. We all agree that Smalling will grow into a fantastic defender, if he is not already. Lindegaard is a fantastic second keeper, with the capability to be first if De Gea doesn't work out.
In the summer we picked up Jones, Young and De Gea. De Gea will hopefully live up to expectation and potential, to perhaps become Spain's no.1 Keeper. I am hoping that Young will pick up the form he found at the beginning of the season, and continue to be a fantastic winger - if not he is a brilliant squad player for us. And we can all agree that Jones at 19 is already a fantastic player and a phenomenal talent. He could become anything he wants, and hopefully the heart of our team for 10 years.
SAF was obviously looking at CM's in the summer. He tried to sign WS, Nasri and in the past has attempted Ozil. None of these players became available to us - but we know for sure that SAF knows this space needs filling. However, I would still rather he wait until the summer (or Jan) to sign the correct player. I don't want to do an Arsenal and sign Arteta on the last day of the window because we couldn't get anyone else. Wasting 15m on another squad player when we have sufficient back up for this position already is stupid.
I would expect that we will sign a new LB in the summer, and he will continue to look for a CM.
Please do not forget that right now Anderson, Cleverly, Hernandez, Vidic, Rafael and Fabio are all injured. Cleverly and Anderson were a great midfield partnership, and we have just been really unfortunate so far this season.
I do not think we need to buy 6 players as some of you are suggesting. I'd say 3. Maybe 4 if we need a striker. Which I don't think we do.
It is not all bad!
Joe
08 Dec 2011 16:50:21
Now that we're out of the CL is there any chance we will buy a top class midfielder now that being CL tied doesn't affect us ?
C.D
08 Dec 2011 16:27:14
Yodel-ey-ey-deeeee !
Is it empty enough in here to get an echo ?
The Real KB
08 Dec 2011 16:17:07
Hi chaps,
Any chance of a ticket for your do on the 7th Jan? You know, your end of season do?
If you ask RAINFISH, he'll prepare a damn good speech for you all to mull over as you tuck into the Prawns.
Firstly he'll praise the tactics employed by your manager. One up top, five in midfield, play for a draw.
Secondly he'll comment on the fantastic decision of the manager to play players out of position whilst at the same time have players available who can play in those positions on the bench.
Thirdly, he's bound to comment on the viability of buying a top class midfielder in January
Fourthly, he'll comment about the lack of money due to the owners lumbering large debts onto the club
Fifthly, he'll tell you all where channel 5 is on the sky remote. And if he's in a great mood, he'll tell you all what the channel is in HD so you can see rather clearly just how cr@p you lot really are.
And then he may ask for Sir Bob the Red to enlighten you all yet again to the New World Order that he predicted two years ago.
It would be my pleasure RAINFISH....
"Dear mancs........."
Sir Bob the Red
08 Dec 2011 16:14:28
How about we offer both Gibson,Evans and Macheda (loan) to Everton for Baines In Jan ?
Ed, would that be enough {Ed002's Note - Why would Everton want the United cast offs?}
08 Dec 2011 16:12:30
We need a RB (not a makeshift right back)
We need a LB (A more defensive one)
2 CM's (defensive and attacking)
We need a LM (I was also wrong about Young, he just aint doing it, squad player)
Striker (someone who can find where the goal is)
And they have to be quality - Money needs to be spent in the next 2 windows.
Thats six players - All the peeps who are saying we only need 3 or 4 are kidding themselves. We just had a wakeup call.
HERBIE
08 Dec 2011 16:06:57
Many of you say that SAF likes to do transfers in disguise and does not make them very public. It may have worked sometimes but eventually all other teams come to know our targets.
He should be more vocal and openly declare interest in players like Barca, RM and City do. Players give in transfer requests and clubs are forced to sell at lower prices.
Barca snatched up Fabregas and Sanchez for very less compared to what they were worth.
RM got Ozil, Sahin, to name a few who cost peanuts compared to the price teams like Napoli and Dortmund are asking for Hamsik and Gotze.
City might have overpayed for a few but Silva at 25m is a steal.
The Truth
08 Dec 2011 15:47:57
What do ya make of last night ed? {Ed002's Note - My wife and I went to a restaurant in Windsor. She had the duck and by all accounts it was very nice. I had sole and it was OK, but by no means memorable. We both skipped desert. After an uneventful drive back we dropped the car off at home and wandered to the local pub for a couple of drinks. }
08 Dec 2011 15:04:53
I love Manchester United which is why what has happened and what is happening right now is hurting not only me but many fans.
Now I will never question Sir Alex and I have complete faith in him. But does he really have it in him at nearly 70 to build yet another great team after the majority of this present team have let him down so poorly? You can see it in him by how shocked he is that he did not see this coming and I genuinely believe he can't see a way any time soon of sorting this mess out.
People on here talk of January and players like Higuain and Hamsik, but they are Champions League and at clubs progressing so why they would join United at present is debatable. There are many players currently who simply do not cut it and not what I like to call 'United Class'. These are Evans, Gibson, Park, Valencia, Nani, Anderson, Macheda, Diouf, Owen and Berbatov. These 'squad' players need to go as soon as possible along with loyal servants Ferdinand, Evra and Giggs as although they have been unbelievable players, they are not what we need now. The most damning thing is that Giggs was our best player last night at the age of 38, and where is the motivation and drive of the other players to reach his level?
Rooney, although struggling for form, is United class as is Hernandez, Young, Cleverly (both given time), De Gea (given time), Smalling, Jones, Carrick and Vidic (if he doesn't leave) are the only players I feel still contribute to United, and Jones and Smalling with be the heart of our team in years to come.
So who do United buy, if they can, to try to recify this current mess? I doubt all those I listed will be sold, but the majority will. A centre back of proven ability is needed as are two central midfielders, one defensive and one creative. A left winger and a proven striker are also needed. This is who I would like United to buy and who I think would be a success with us.
LB Alba
CB Cahill
CDM Rodwell
CAM Modric
Left Wing Gaitan
Striker Van Persie
Of these I think only Rodwell and Cahill can be bought in January. Investment is needed, but I think this season can still provide something for us. The league is not over yet although City will take some catching. The Europa League is a massive inconveinience for United, but I think Fergie should simply do what Harry did at Spurs and play the kids mixed with those who should be sold. This serves two purposes, one being experience for the younger players and the other putting players in the shop window.
UNITED FOREVER
08 Dec 2011 14:44:09
Right, time for a bit of positivity if I can muster it.
Say this has really kicked the team and SAF in the teeth, and Fergie does have SOME money to spend in the January window. Who should we be targetting and why?
Please keep it realistic - IE - We are NOT going to sign Mario Goetze for £40m, not in Jan nor in the summer. IMO anyway.
RED_SKY
08 Dec 2011 14:32:55
I think my satnavs broken, i cant seem to find manchester in europe
08 Dec 2011 13:30:49
Guys yes it was disappointing, but didn't we expect this. Sure Manchester United should never go out at the groupstages of the champs league, but it happens, it happened in 2005-06 we bounced back from that and probably created the finest team in generations.
United need a huge shake up and this could be it. Fergy although i don't want it, is getting on. Football is a science and adapting at a rapid pace. Fergy needs to stay for a couple more seasons to see it through, but he needs a strong tactically sound number 2. Phelan ain't cutting it, hes a proper yes man.
The deadwood needs to go, i am not gonna list who, we all know. Those ten players are a drain on the succes of the club, they've played their part and now its over. 4 top signings are needed, a left back, a centre mid, left mid and striker. Last night highlighted players failures and it was almost like fergy was scared to play a strong side, he though the experience would do it, but with experience comes lost pace, stamina and skill. giggs and park in midfield, with fletch on the bech, come on i know fletch isn't the greatest, but he puts a shift in. You watch the game back and you will see, nani, young, rooney and wellbeck having to run all the way back to their own penalty box, because giggs and park where tired.
we need a proper left back, a denis irwin type of player. we need alba for left wing of midfield, he ain't a full back. we need a target man up top, drogba or falconer. and in cm mid we need roy keane.... no we need martinez or sissoko.
sure it was disappointment last night, but you learn from these mistakes, we did the last time, we will this time. Remember we didn't even get into the europa last time. the youth need to be promoted now as they are ready, if you watched them weekly you would understand. pogba, morrison, fryers, will keane can contribute to the squad, whats the risk if you've got gibson and macheda on the bench.
Also who did we buy in the summer of 2006. a centre midfielder in carrick and look what that got us!!
aaallj5
08 Dec 2011 13:21:48
I agree we need to buy players but it is to compete against the likes of Barca, Real etc. Against sides like Palace, Basel and Benfica our present side should be good enough to thrash them. But this is not the case, The gameplan is not working and the players are not at all confident.
For so many seasons one thing under which United really blossomed was pressure. They had a hunger to win. These qualities seemed to have been transferred to the teams who play against United.Getting World beaters and playing in the same way will definitely not help our cause.
The Truth
08 Dec 2011 13:10:45
Jamie Redknapp blabbed again last night about United's interest in Modric. I know every man and his dog could tell me that on some level Modric has been, at the very least, considered by SAF. But it's still nice to hear from 'Arry's son that United made their interest known. It gives me hope anyway. Everyone's had their say on the game, so I won't get into that. What's the point really? From the final whistle of the 3-1 defeat to Barca, we all knew what this squad required. We waited patiently all summer, and watched as one of the club's greatest ever servants retired without the arrival of the necessary CM. Scholes can never be replaced like for like, but a top player would have certainly helped. Last night we paid the price.
Now I don't think for a minute that SAF is happy with his midfield. He tried to sign Nasri and Sneijder. And he enquired about Ozil, Gotze and Modric. When he says he's happy with the current squad, he's simply trying to instill some confidence in those who are already on the books. Actions speak louder than words, he was after a CM all summer.
We're now at a crossroads. This summer (not January) is when a lot of our questions will be answered. We'll find out if this is a blip or something more serious. Everyone has an opinion on what we need but I think we can all agree that the players that do come in, have to be quality. Quality players sign for big wages and come at a high fee. City can't take every player.
_________De Gea
Small__Ferdi___Vidic__???
______Cleve___???
Nani______???_____Young
_________Rooney
I think we need a LB and 2 CM's. And a striker to rotate or play alongside Rooney and Hernandez. Hopefully we'll see Berbatov, Gibson, Owen, Macheda and Diouf all leave.
Time will tell.
Matthew...
08 Dec 2011 13:05:28
a lot of people seem to be blaming fergy we should of bought this player or that but maybe the truth is fergy just cant get the top players.
sneijder wanted to much money
sanchez wanted barce
nasri aguero wanted city gold
benzama madrid payed more than united
ozil wanted madrid
people say we just need to buy a star striker or midfielder but why would they come to united, most of the top players in the world play for city munich real barce or want to.
fergy wanted sneijder and nasri but couldnt get them if as a football club we want the star names we will have to pay star name wages, if not we will have to trust in fergy
jred.
08 Dec 2011 12:56:00
Noticed alot of reports that Fergie is ready to sanction the move for Sneijder today. Do the papers just take the fact we got knocked out, assume fergie is gonna change it and come up with sneijder? Sick of hearing the bull about him. He had his chance fergie is very unlikely to go back in for him. We should still go for somebody of the same calibre.
Modric, Moutinho, Eriksen or Goetze would walk straight into the team and do alot better than Park, Giggs or Gibson. Only Carrick who has performed as of late. Fletcher i think is losing it. Anderson does this every season - glimmers of excellence then drops it. And we're waiting on our Best CM to recover from injury (Clevs). Like i remember on FM11 - if we dont buy in January "I can see the club being left behind by its Rivals" or something along those lines. It is so true right now. We even have brilliant players who just looked unphased by the fact we needed a point.
Dont get me started on Nani, had one of his better games last night i agree. But he will beat the defender then instead of pickin the first cross he'll stall and then come back inside where there will be a pass to play somebody into the box and decide to shoot instead!
Everybody has said it, but something really needs to change. Preferably a signing or two in January.
RedDevil92
RedDevil92
08 Dec 2011 12:51:39
I always thought the one thing MU had better than everyone else was the trio of Van der Sar, Ferdinand and Vidic and I hoped that when that trio is broken , your team would look average. How many games they have kept you in when you should of lost is countless. Welcome to mediocrity hope your stay is miserable!
Ezdee
PS, SAF is still the greatest manager ever and anyone that says he's got to go is mad! The egomaniacs like Evra, Ferd, Giggs n Vidic gotta go.
08 Dec 2011 12:45:48
We got what we deserved... This is just the beginning... If we don't bring new and great players you can start saying bye to Vida, Rooney and many others because this team we ain't going nowhere. Average players who doesn't do anything worth... Shame
Honestly, I disagree with Ferdinand, we have no conditions to Win the Europe League unless we change this mentality and starting playing like men not like 3rd division kids.
Holyunited
08 Dec 2011 12:44:37
well it is fair to say England will not suffer from player burnout this summer
08 Dec 2011 12:39:04
i think everyone is missing a very important thing about last night and that is that vidic is out and it could be for a long time time. could be the rest of the season
look what happened to our defence last time he was out and the difference he made when he came back.
we are struggling to score goals at the moment if we start leaking them again we could be in trouble
jred
08 Dec 2011 12:22:19
So....
knocked out of Carling cup by an average Championship side ...
Finished third in what everyone said was the easiest CL group, including taking only one point from Basle ...
Not scored more than one goal in any of the last half dozen or so games ...
Humiliated at home by our "noisy neighbours" who are looking stronger all the time ...
Failed to reinforce the midfield in the summer (and have now lost CL income which would have more than paid Sneijder's wages on its own) ...
WTF is going on at OT?
If SAF is not given mega-money in the next two transfer windows (January and the summer), and I am talking of £100m plus in net spending, then I fear that we will (a) not win anything at all this season, (b)fail to qualify for CL next year, and (c) not do anything special next season. It will also finally give proof that the Glazers are not interested in on-field performances, only in extracting as much money as they can.
... Totally agree with you mike, i done a post last night but obviously was too over the top for some so never got posted but this sums it up :)
08 Dec 2011 11:38:52
07 Dec 2011 23:45:55
with vidic out and evans a liabilty we need a cb maybe cahil because he is experienced and is a decdent player also i reckon we need to sign 3 players in january the midfield is a joke. bring back SCHOLES!
We have smalling and jones,would it not b more prudent to buy a rb and midfielder so they can return to their own position eh!
Ste73
08 Dec 2011 11:36:30
cheer up utd fans , at least wayne rooney got a reduced ban put down to 2 games , now before you say o we dont care about england only utd , maybe rooney will start playing a bit better for you as something has been on his mind of late , maybe this will lift his mood, you never know............lfc
08 Dec 2011 11:33:04
So the doom merchants are out in force today. Sack Fergie, blame the Glazers, Young and De Gea are a waste of money, oh the joys of following united!
The fact is over 6 games for whatever reason United got what they deserved. Poor finishing, poor defending and countless injuries has eventually took its toll and the results are there for all to see. What annoys me is the knee jerk reactions of the part time fans. The team is in decline, the manager is past it, the no. 2 is rubbish. Why are players not held responsible any more. Rooney mouthed off in the middle of last season about the poor squad, well i didnt see anyone else miss the ball from 2 yards last night! evra is the first to comment about players needing to look in the mirror, well he would need to follow his own advice. His defending is appalling and has been for a long time, he would be better concentrating on his football and let the manager worry about the other players. Those who have Vidic down as the defensive saviour need to catch themselves on. First of all he wont play againg this season, secondly, he gets injured trying to bring a player down in his own half when he's going towards his own goal. For an experienced international he still makes ridiculous decisions.
Long story short, its december not april, the team are out of the champions league, second in the league and yet to play in the cup, hardly doom time. Heres a novel idea, get behind them and drive them on for a change instead of sitting in the stands waiting for something to happen.
As for scousers and city fans coming on, United miss the knock out stages for the first time in 6 years, city have never been there and i see thye blue plastic brigade were out in force for the biggest game in their history. Liverpool on the other hand dont play on a tuesday, a wednesday or a thursday, now that is something to laugh about.
Rant over
08 Dec 2011 11:31:29
for those fan who want fergie to leave,let me tell u something.i am a gooner n many of my fellow gooner want wenger to leave after we lose nasri n fabregas n man utd humiliated us in OT.but for me,i still believe in wenger,n fortunately so did the board (although the cant afford to lose wenger coz he give them a healthy profit).then wenger prove to us that he still the right man.i know he never buy big n the most expensive player that he buy is arshavin (15m) but arsenal become better n better.in the start of the season,many people write us down (actually it happen every season after henry move to barca) but the team defied them n now we are the 1st team in england to qualified in last 16 of ucl although we are in the same group with french n germany champion.we now also in 5th place in epl with 3 of our 1st teamer (gibbs,wilshere n sagna) unavailable.
u may think changing the manager is the only solution but u should look at chelsea n realmadrid.chelsea is the best team in england under mourinho but they become weaker when mourinho gone.after that roman keep changing the manager but its not working.the same thing happen to real when they sack del bosque in 2002 (i think).i cant even remember how many manager that they have before hiring mourinho.
believe me,if fergie leaves,it only bring more harm than good.stick with him n believe him until he didnt believe in himself.
owh,n f**k kroenke n glazer.
FlyingGunman
08 Dec 2011 11:19:59
Gazman
What the f**k are you on about?
Did I not say 'I'm not calling for his head' Eh yes!
Did I not say 'I think next season will be SAF's last' Eh yes!
So how in the name of sh**e is that wanting him sacked and being fickle?
Jono
08 Dec 2011 11:01:35
lets just hope carling cup and champs league exit has sunk in this team is just simply not up to old man utd squad standards!
the term transition is thrown around on here alot. i dont see this as a transition squad as all the young players are playing very well. its the likes of evra, carrick, fletcher, park, giggs, berbs n rio that need to pick up there games.
ppl are saying united need a good clear out i think that will happen as united are trying to sort the wage bill out and many of the so called stars above are on high wages and just arent performing.
wellbeck, cleverly, jones and smalling keep on impressing when they come on or start.
but the facts are there the midfield is awful and as stated by ppl on here anderson only plays well when cleverly plays with him. for a 18million pound buy to only play well in certain games holds question marks in my mind weather his united standards.
rooneys fustrated because hes playing more of a team game than being that striker we all know he can be.
last night proved that he cant play on his own upfront! he wants a runner or even just a partner to play with park n giggs dont provide this.
im affraid fergies tactics of playing 2 wingers in the center is awful parks not up to the job and hasnt got the abillity to run past a man. hasnt got that spark when needed. unfortunatly giggs altho my favourite of all time central hes been found out ppl run by him he has vision but is sloppy spesh last night. then doesnt bust a gut to chase the ball down.
fergie shud know by now that man utd need 2 midfielders. i for one would rather see pogba and morrison in midfield rather than giggs and park. yes there not ready but if there not given a chance they wont develop further. they might suprise ppl or it might go wrong but we all agree the midfield is awful so how really can it be any worse?
hopefully fergie will do some wheeling and dealing i see alot of player exchange offered to try get players out n in. my 2 for jan would be
berbs for tiote
maybe
cahill for evans
or
gibson diouf or macheda loan for rodwell
prob pipe dreams but one things for sure we wont jump ship
united for life
red dev
08 Dec 2011 10:58:12
This is big brother....
Manchester united, you are live on channel 5 , Please do not swear!!
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
08 Dec 2011 10:52:41
goalkeepers not really a problem
amos looks ok
lindegard looks ok
DDG good keeper and will get better with age
defence a real problem
evra and ferdinant are coming to an end
that leaves the twins vidic smalling jones evans not a lot of experiance there.
evans not united standard
twins can they get thro 90 min never mind a full season with out an injury, if they can i think both will be top players
jones smalling 2 top young players are only going to get better
vidic still a top player but is 30 now and there has been rumours about him not being happy for the last 18 month (lets hope madrid dont make a bid in the summer)
midfield not good.
anderson has injury issues and im not sure he is good enough for the very top.
clevs looks great
carrick and fletcher wont let anyone down but need a top creative player beside them.
giggs park gibson time is over
nani fine
valencia young have some points to prove.
strikers
rooney great player but i'm starting to wonder if his heart is in it.
chica welbeck good players can they get to higuain rvp level , lets hope so.
macheda diuof owen berb could all be on there way out.
the kids
i think this is the biggest issue , when scholes becks etc all came thro they were ready for the first 11 but they were all around the 22 year mark a bit like clevs our next crop look maybe 3/4 years of playing at the very top level.
i think we need to improve the first 11 with some established players and real quality then when the young lads are coming thro they have'nt got the same level of expectation on them some people are expectining to much of these young kids to early.
I know some people will always say buying player's blocks the younger lads but if they are good enough they will make it the best always do.
1 last thing a lot of people are calling for pogba etc to be given a chance now but fergy will play them when they are ready, throwing them in at the deep end now when we are not playing well could do more harm than good ,
jred
08 Dec 2011 10:30:13
does any body else tink that fergie is just to proud he should just admit he was wrong and buy a midfieder
the likes of fletcher and carrick are good squad players but lets be honest how many other top 4 teams would make it into
as for gibson as im irish had to listen alot when he was younger how he was going to be a great player but he never lived up to that a hes a waste of a squad place in my view dont get me wrong he would be good for the likes of wolves or wigan or a midtable team but not UNITED
and macheda and diouf / macheda thinks he is messi or ronaldo but he aint maybe wit a loan move to another prem club he might come good we will see and diouf he just aint good enough would like to see him stay in prem league
FERGIE ITS TIME TAKE YOUR FINGER OUT AND BUY BIG WHERE FALLEN BEHIND THE REST EVEN SPURS
SAD DAY FOR UNITED FANS
08 Dec 2011 10:26:23
should of really signed nasri and enrique!
08 Dec 2011 10:22:11
A couple of days back I put up list which I considered the best buys of summer and was questioned by a few for not including Young and now those very same people are slaughtering Young and saying he's not United quality.
08 Dec 2011 10:21:20
To begin I will start by saying I was most disappointed with the lack of heart and passion on display last night from our players in such a crucial match. Welbeck should have started instead of Park with Rooney playing in the hole.Ashley Young i'm afraid is a phony he has no variation to his wing play thus making him predictable to defend against. It is is always run at the defender 1 or 2 step overs, cut back and then more often than not drift a cross over the heads of the players in the box out of bounds. I hope he has more drawers on his tool box because the ones hes looking in are empty. Phelan is joker as well his defensive team strategy is 2 banks of four which sounds good in theory but when none the players want to go close opponents down it is useless. Uncontested crosses , teams allowed to play right up to the edge of our penalty area, RIDICULOUS!. We need a certain portuguese assistant manager back. I feel that we need a slightly smaller squad with better quality players in it. Macheda Gibson, Diouf, Owen, Kuszczak Berbatov Evra( always slow to close down the cross ) Park has been used up , Evans must have some scandalous dirt on Sir Alex and is blackmailing him with it to keep on getting opportunities to play. Fergie's love child possibly? Hazard, Gaitan, Javi Martinez, and Armero would be a great start. Team would be 4 -2-3-1 with : DDG Jones Smalling/Rio Vidic Armero Javi Martinez Cleverley Hazard Nani Rooney Gaitan subs:Hernandez Welbeck Young Valencia Carrick Anderson Da Silvas etc.
08 Dec 2011 10:18:41
So....
knocked out of Carling cup by an average Championship side ...
Finished third in what everyone said was the easiest CL group, including taking only one point from Basle ...
Not scored more than one goal in any of the last half dozen or so games ...
Humiliated at home by our "noisy neighbours" who are looking stronger all the time ...
Failed to reinforce the midfield in the summer (and have now lost CL income which would have more than paid Sneijder's wages on its own) ...
WTF is going on at OT??
If SAF is not given mega-money in the next two transfer windows (January and the summer), and I am talking of £100m plus in nett spending, then I fear that we will (a) not win anything at all this season, (b)fail to qualify for CL next year, and (c) not do anything special next season. It will also finally give proof that the Glazers are not interested in on-field performances, only in extracting as much money as they can.
Mike B.
08 Dec 2011 10:10:23
Manchester United should really be ashamed of themselves this morning. People will probly come on here andctry and paper over the cracks but we need to b realistic. Unless someone is brought in in January I think we can safely say it's gonna be a trophyless year. Our midfield is nothing better than average, it's behind Citys, tottenhams, arsenals, chelseas, liverpools I'd even say Newcastle have a better midfield than us. We've got no spark going forward at all. Roy keane had the cheek to blame the likes of De Gea, Jones and smalling but where were the experianced players wen we needed them? Rooney has gone missing again for a long time, giggs gave the ball away so many times. It's the whole team that's playing poor not just the younger guys. Smalling made a mistake yh, but I wudnt blame de gea for the 1st goal. Why is no one mentioning rooneys 2 yard miss? It gets me how people like gan/ngiak don't say a word wen things like this happen cos they kno the facts! Fergie needs to go and spend in January, he can't use the excuse now that players are cup tied for champions league. He needs to go and get someone like Hamsik or Modric to create and then someone like Martinez or Mascherano or diarra to defend. It could b a blessing we went out, I don't kno. It wud have ended in dissappointment anyway if we came up against Real Madrid or Barcelona.
How many people wish we signed that "over the hil Dutch mercenary" now? (that's wot gan said about him)
Big Mac
08 Dec 2011 09:47:14
Ah the morning after the night before and time to reflect. In the summer after the final every single one of us came on this side and said we weren't good enough and that we had got lucky in the league as it was such a poor standard. We all cried out for a world class midfielder who could unlock defences and create more. We still had some of the Ronaldo money and also money from senior players leaving the club and also retiring. I said at the time that the Glazers would never sanction this and that Fergie would come up with his usual "happy with the squad" line. I am taken back to a time when suddenly we found ourselves with a midfield that included Eric double D's Liam Miller and quentin fortune. One on their own might have been able to hide in a good team but when they are the midfield they are found out. We seem to be back in that position right now. Having tons of energy is simply not good enough there has to be creativity and skill. Lets put things into perspective we have only lost 2 games in the champions league (excluding finals) in the last 26. But for Barcelona it would have been looked back on as our golden european time. I still have the same problem i was talking about a couple of days ago. Did you see where they scored their goals from where we scored ours from and where Rooney missed an open goal from. The 6 yd box and yet we still do not have a forward who hovers around it. All of them drift out to the wing or in Rooneys case the edge of the area hoping to score a wonder goal. Surely this must now put and end to the myth put out by the british media that Rooney is world class. Sure he is a very good player but World class do me a favour. His play and attitude is still imature and school boy like he doesn't have the discipline to play that lone striker role and we suffer for it. If he was any other nationality than English we wouldn't see half the hype we do.It is quite obvious that Roy is still not happy with what is happening at United and is right about the hype that some of the youngsters at United are receiving . Can you imagine him playing in a team that gave away so many loose passes. Darren Gibson you are 24 you are never going to make it at United you are cheating yourself and us supporters, have some pride and move on. Johnny Evans please please I will call the taxi for you. Will we come again? of course we will it is what we do it is all what Fergie is about he has that mental strength though it is a long time since i have seen him as down as he was last night. Don't get wound up by Liverpool supporters gloating it just shows how far they have fallen that this is the highlight of their season. (please do not respond to this as I really do not care what Liverpool supporters think). I have 100% faith in Smalling and Jones they both look absolute class we just need to add to them and weed out the chaff. Just be greatful and give thanks that every morning you wake up and you are a Manchester United supporter. We got 99 problems but Vidic aint one. RAINFISHTROMBONE
08 Dec 2011 09:44:42
Most miserable Thursday in years. Its 9.40am and still pitch black outside, much like our moods after the facade that was our 2011/12 champs league attempt.
Has SAF spoken out on this yet? Havent seen anything myrself - but I am interested to hear how he defends 6 atrocious performances in Europe.
We got the easiest draw. After being humiliated by Barca last season, SAF said 'never again'. Never thought we'd be out at the group stages. This squad is weak, lacklustre and Europa is our best bet at a trophy this season.
Just saw the teams who've qualified, no easy games for us there either.
RED_SKY
08 Dec 2011 09:39:11
All i can say after this is that next two transfer windows will be very crucial for our upcoming seasons? And we will also know from those windows whether there is money to buy or if not whether SAF will demand them or he will still say we have enuf squad. I'm hoping it won't be the last one.
U.P.
08 Dec 2011 09:24:10
THURSDAY NIGHT CHANNEL 5 STAN COLLYMORE
ynwa Redraj
08 Dec 2011 09:20:35
Where are them posters that said all is well?
Where are them posters that said the glazers r good?
Where are them posters that said we couldn't buy better than wat we have?
Where are them posters that said we cud match barca?
Where are them posters that said nought wrong in midfield?
Where are them posters that said nani young was world class?
Where are them posters that said fergie can do no wrong?
Where are them posters that said we don't need anyone?
Where has the cash gone?
08 Dec 2011 09:16:51
Seeing as we have now gone out of the UCL, i have seen a lot of rumours this morning linking UTD with Sneijder again. Do you know anything more about this Edd?
Personally i think we have missed having a world class CM. {Ed003's Note - no }
08 Dec 2011 09:01:18
I feel so guilty saying this but thank god we are out. Maybe this is the only way we are going to see some real quality brought into this team. For too long we have been getting away with murder. Scraping 1 nil"s every other week is simply not good enough. With the thought of the lost millions in income they must realise Fletcher/Gibson/Anderson/Jones(not a midfield player) and sadly Giggs (anymore, once was) are never going to be of enough quality to win CL games. Even to little fat bloke in the middle for Basle had more quality than our lot. Thursday nights will never be the same.
08 Dec 2011 08:56:28
People have to face the fact that we have no excuses for going out of the CL. We had arguably the easiest group out of them all. Did anyone think we would have trouble getting out of the group when it was drawn? I certainly didn't, and even the way we have been playing in recent weeks didn't allow me to think we wouldn't get a point last night. Basel did well to hold on to what they had I thought Shaqiri was their stand out player he played very well. However, we knew before the game that he was their star man. Needless to say like all United fans I'm gutted.
The Europa League is an afterthought of a competition where I think we should start the likes of Morrison, Fryers and Pogba to give them more first team experience. As much as I want us to win every comp we are in I think we should focus solely on domestic comps and ensure we challenge for the league instead of trying to win a 2nd rate CL.
As for the state of our squad it is clear we need serious investment. At least 4 need to come in those being 2 CM's, a LB and Striker. The striker for me would have to be Cavani the more I see of him the more impressive he looks. The Lb either Baines or Alba and there are many CM's available. However, it could be argued we need more. For example out wide Young and Valencia's are in no form at all, and Park is a player the fans and SAF like but IMO is played more for the fear of what the other side could do to us and not what we can do to them. We also have the deadwood of Gibson, Evans, Macheda, Owen, Kuszczak and Berbatov. On top of that Giggs will most likely retire. Ideally by the end of the summer of 2012 all of these players will be gone and a few new players have been brought in along with the youth being promoted into the 1st team.
Hopefully we can bring 1 or 2 in through the January window with the priority being a CM and hopefully selling some of the deadwood which will allow the youngsters to step in as squad players until the end of the season. Then continue to spend in the summer on players of good quality.
Rjmanutd
08 Dec 2011 07:44:29
How to watch your team in Europe:
Arsenal & Chelsea - ITV & Sky Sports
Man City & Man Utd - Channel 5 & ITV 4
Liverpool - ESPN Classic
08 Dec 2011 07:16:09
Story doing the rounds that SAF and his coaching team have lost the dressing room. No clear tactical plan, players are unsure of their role in 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. It would not matter who we buy if we have no game plan, hit it and hope.....a real worry!
08 Dec 2011 06:25:08
"I feel I will wake up tomorrow and we will have qualified. It feels like a dream. But it is not a dream it is the reality. We should have woken up earlier in this competition. We deserve to be out. Even if it is a friendly, when I pull on United shirt I do my best to win that trophy. But it is embarrassing to be in the Europa League. I play for Manchester United to play in the Champions League but some players dream of playing for United in any competition and you have to respect that."
Patrice Evra
08 Dec 2011 05:46:35
daughter: i think i will never get marry with sydney..
mom: why u said like that dear?i always though u r perfect couple..
daughter: but mom,the problem is he insist that he will only marry me when manchester united win their 5th champions league..
mom: then u maybe right dear.i know how much u love him but if u want to have a family,u must dump him n find someone else..
daughter: i know mom..thanks for ur support..
(i know its not original,but i couldnt resist)
FlyingGunman
08 Dec 2011 04:47:07
Ok, First i am extremely sad AND angry with what has happened..!
But WE- MANCHESTER UNITED.! were knocked out by BASEL..! can you believe this..! We needed a draw.. And could'nt even get that..! P*SSED.!
AND what the hell is up with young..!
Som
08 Dec 2011 04:45:30
the europa league has been a very good boy this year....
BREAKING NEWS:
The Europa League just got a sensational
Christmas 'upgrade': Man U & Man City. Ho ho ho...merry christmas europa.
Sorry guys i could'nt help it!
08 Dec 2011 04:14:22
was a few of us who championed pogba tunnecliff and morrison last season. Didn't say they would jump in and save us this season. Was a few of us saying great football would return. The future is bright. Don't remember saying its coming now. Remember saying the squad is not all bad. Still stick by it. Not making excuses. We should of had mid replacements lined up and ready and its a failure of the men in suits and the gaffer not to have. At least that's what it seems. Injuries yes we've had, but the squad should cope. But I for one am not going to moan this club to failure. Rough patches come and hopefully go. People who think those of us who stay positive are blind well I think your the blind ones. The young players are now in the position to earn their legacy. To not take winning with complacency. It'll be a test well worth the having. This is a team with plenty potential and rft and redman can respectfully stick their foreboding of disaster. I know you've seen it all before, but to me if a club falls the fans are not blameless. If it wasn't for the likes of jones and the positivity in which the season started I might have joined you but as it stands instead of lambasting the club for lack of bite and charm in mid i'm gonna wish the manager that got us the 19 titles and two champions league all the luck he sorts that, have the faith in that he truly is trying to put together one last great team. Manchester who? UNITED. And while your at it think about what the word support means and the next time you go to old trafford you open your lungs and put the fear into the opp and all the spirit into WHATEVER team is put out. If this club comes to its knees fans will have their share in it ..constantine..
08 Dec 2011 03:40:20
as a massive united fan i believe that after the shocking displays the team has produced this season in the CL fergie should play his best team (no 2nd string) in the europa league and in the following PL fixture, the team and Sir Alex owe this to the fans to go for everything now, if teams like fulhan, spurs, stoke, birmingham & celtic can play there first team on a thursday then on sunday then why cant we, there should be no excuses now they owe the fans this
UNITEDFORLIFE
08 Dec 2011 01:35:14
Why would they want to go to liverpool. They can't even get in the champions league. Did any of you listening to the rte pundit who claims Vidic wants to go and is fighting with Fergies? Anyone heard about that?
The Red Manc
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That's Eamonn Dunphy, he doesn't have a fu(king clue what he's talking about!
G.A.G.U.S
08 Dec 2011 01:31:36
Despite being a LFC fan, I'm more happy that Man C are out than you lot - at least you are a club with history and a legacy built over decades rather than overnight with a sheik's credit card.
Condolences of the CL exit.
cozinoz
08 Dec 2011 01:21:32
i think one of the most important changes that needs to be addressed is that of phelan at no.2
he simply is not up to the job dont get me wrong he is a good coach but he is not a utd no.2 personally i think that SAF will install his replacement to adjust &help ease transition so my question is this, who do you think could take this role?
ed, there was talk of blanc as a potential replacement but as he is frances coach do you know if he can do both jobs or would his national contract prevent this?
dag {Ed007's Note - I don't know the terms of his contract but I would like to think any Utd employee is 100% focused on Utd. No.2 at Utd is a bigger job than being 'the man' at a lot of clubs.}
08 Dec 2011 01:17:30
As a Liverpool fan i feel your pain on being knocked out by so called minnows tonight BUT you shouldn't be too worried.
United have a good young squad & only need a couple of quality additions in midfield & an experienced goalkeeper.
Your squad is in much better health than most other top squads - the only thing i'd be worried about is if there are funds available there to buy in the summer now that you've been eliminated so early.
If the Glaziers have any sort of ambition, they will move heaven & earth to make the funds available.
If not, then you know for 100% certain they are in it for a buck not for love.
K.
08 Dec 2011 00:55:53
We need a clear out we can not wait for Pogba and Morrison to develop into top player's we will be left behind Chelsea City Tottenham will all improve i really hope this is the kick up the backside SAF needs to BUY quality player's not 1 atleast 3
08 Dec 2011 00:29:35
Any interest in Hamsik from Man Utd Ed?
I think he would be a brilliant signing, he would sort out our midfield problems and honestly, i'd prefer him to Sneijder and Modric. We probably won't get him in January though, because Napoli are still in the Champions League :(
We'd also need a defensive midfielder like Martinez.
One last thing Ed, do you think there is a possibility we would play a 4-1-3-1-1?
Like this:
De Gea
Smalling Jones Vidic Evra
Martinez
Nani Cleverly Young
Hamsik
Rooney
Breeno {Ed007's Note - No.}
08 Dec 2011 00:15:25
This wasn't just a joke tonight. We scored 4 goals against Galati. 2 were penalties and 1 a deflected shot. 5 goals conceded against Basel, and 2 draws against Benfica. Tonight was not a one off, we have been consistently poor. This is no easy fix.
We have played poorly this season, and created few chances after the first 3 weeks of the season.
I say this in all honesty, but without Vidic, it will be an acheivement to stay in the top 4 in the EPL!
Chelsea, Arsenal, City and Spurs will all improve their squads in January.
This is a real possibility!
08 Dec 2011 00:13:51
Well I have been quiet for a while now but Jesus H Christ, what was that all about?
Lets take stock of what we have seen.
De Gea should have made a better choice on that cross. Fair enough a mistake.
Smalling maybe didn't know that boy was behind him, still should of dealt with it tho.
In all honestly we played decently in the first half but my god what the flying f**k was that in the second?
Incoherent passing, even more incoherent movement, shooting sh*te, crossing and corners even worse, effort from our 'match winners' non existent, control was pish and the only direct chances we made were from long pumps into the box.
Is that how bad we are now? long balls to create a chance?
Now I am not calling for his head but did anyone notice that the SAF of old is MIA. We conceded that second and he was slumped in his seat along with his 2 plums staring blankly at nothing. He should of been out at the touchline egging them on, stirring some passion, rustling up some feathers to try and salvage something but we got ...... nothing. From any of them.
I almost pissed myself at Villa at the wknd when the camera showed Fergie signalling someone to come over then his plums noticed he was doing it and copied him to a tee. Useless w**ks.
Anyway we can all agree it was s**te in 4 games that cost us this not just tonight but the biggest worry is that we knew what we needed to do tonight and nobody turned up. Exp counts for fu*k all if thats what you get from players with exp. Giggs, Park, Rooney, Evra, Nani all did feck all. And before you all start Nani was amazing! If that was amazing I would get a game for this team. Yeah he beat his man a few times in the first half and did 1 good cross out of 15 maybe but he was playing a Basel LB its hardly like he ws turning a Barca or Madrid LB inside out is it.
Europa league?
Pointless. the players playing in that will be the dis interested guys like Berba, Gibson, etc I will expect the young guys to get game time but we have expected that all season and have only seen so much of Pogba and Ravel because we went to extra time with Palace.
In comparison Barca put out a totally inexperienced team in their last game in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and they still beat a team 4-0.
As Red Man said our lack of purchasing proven talent has really biten us in the ass and I don't think SAF is looking like he has the fight to go 2 maybe 3years through another transition. If we win any trophy this year brilliant but I personally think next year will be SAF's last irrelevant of what we win.
So the only person with balls big enough to take on our team and expectations and still get results is Mr Mourinho IMO.
p.s. I always wanted us to win the Uefa Cup so I wouldn't mind us taking it seriously at all.
Jono
08 Dec 2011 00:07:13
The most interesting thing from tonight's exit will be what excuse will Fergie come up with to not buy in Jan. He cannot get away with cup-tied, not available BS. Injuries aren't going to get better with players out for 3-4 months.