Manchester United Banter Archive January 08 2012

08 Jan 2012 23:20:03
I am not saying this is what will happen but I would love if it did. Sneider and Javi Martinez would solve all our problems in midfield. Sneider would get forward and link up with rooney + hernandez/welbeck and martinez would sit in midfield and pass the ball around. With Nani, Young and Valencia available on the wings that would give us huge power going forward to get goals and kill games off which has been a problem. Also the young lads like Cleverley, Morrison and Pogba would learn alot from these top players. Also I think we need to get a left back to replace Evra. He has been great for the club but the last two seasons he has been poor.

08 Jan 2012 22:18:09
Waoh! 3-2 wasn't a true reflection today boys. Should have been 3-3 at the end, but I suppose it papers over the cracks a bit for a while. Look how Citeh dominated at OT after Jonny boy got sent off after HT & look how Man Utd tried their hardest to throw it away with a man advantage for near on 80 mins. On top of that Fergie throws on his new signing, Paul Scholes! He's taking the pee out of you Utd fans. You can't be serious! Scholes was great in his day, but he hardly played before he retired, now he's the short term answer to your midfield problems. I hope to god he plays against Liverpool lol. Shocking, absolutely shocking! I hear Roy Keane has still got a pair of boots. Come to think of it, so have I!

The Irish Rover

08 Jan 2012 21:58:54
Even though we are out of CL and CC but this season is turning out to be the most exciting one in recent years.
A very average squad, comeback win in Community Shield, Great start to the season, dip in form, thrashed by rivals, out of two tournaments, back to scoring goals, 2 unlikely defeats, defeat city at home and now drawn Pool. All the makings of a blockbuster movie and there's still plenty more to come.

08 Jan 2012 21:07:56
Lol what a match. It really was a game of 2 halves and 1 that ended up giving me more worries. I know if everyone had said would you take a 3-2 win before the match every united fan would of jumped at it but definitely it left me feeling like we had lost our no 1 spot.

Look at that 2nd half performance alone. 10 men consisting of 7/8 defensive minded players were able to beat us 2-0. Tactics wise we were outplayed and our players were mostly outclassed. From the exception of Vidic and maybe another we played our best players today and frankly we looked rubbish once mancini sorted out his team. Yes if we could of got that penalty it would of helped things but its only papering over the cracks.

Also I'm sorry to say it and i don't want to burst peoples bubbles but Paul Scholes should never of came back. Last season he was hardly outstanding and then to bring him after 6 months out of the top flight football was a poor call. He slowed us down, gave away possession too often and struggled to hit any long range passes. I really hate to say it but scholesy was a legend and this is destroying his wonderful legacy.

At the end of day yeah lets be thankful we through to the next round but again issues were raised and i bet come next round more will be needed to be raised again but there is problem at our club and i doubt we can fix it atm.

08 Jan 2012 20:28:21
People are talking about players they would like to see when we eventually leave Scholes a moment of peace. I'm still well behind Hazard being our new creative force, I was watching Lille the other night, he was absolutely brilliant, reminds me of Ronaldinho a bit. The only thing I would say is that he looks a bit small and shied away from tackles a small bit, but I imagine that would be easily learned.

Percy

08 Jan 2012 19:26:09
I think rooney was excellant 2day and i just hope the press lay off him now!coz lets be honest he in my eyes has been lacking confidence and with getting 2 away goals at city i dont think there can be any better confidence booster!people will say we were lucky with the red but i didnt see kompany do much complaining??if nani wouldnt of jumped he would still be looking for his ankle now!but its the result that matters and it proves that no matter wot even after 2 defeats and every1 riting us off we r MANCHESTER UNITED and will rise to thr occasion now lets push on n hope to get players back and a good end to the season

calvin

08 Jan 2012 19:15:27
gazman,
our worst team since '86? that'll make you look even worse when we beat you, won't it?

08 Jan 2012 18:59:32
I'd be interested to read what other posters and Eds think whether or not we will sign a new midfielder after Scholes coming out of retirement. It could mean that, just like SAF has been saying, the CM we want isn't available. I'm not entirely sure of this though. From what I have read and heard it seems as if Scholes was missing playing for us and asked SAF whether he would consider taking him back. From SAF's point of view it is a bit of a no-brainer with only having to pay his wages. If the latter is the case then I think we could still be in for a midfielder this Jan, but we will see.

Rudderpost {Ed007's Note - The Scholes thing has kind of threw me. Before today I would have said yes, now I'm not too sure TBH.}

08 Jan 2012 18:22:58
talk about luck of the devil, we get to go on a cup run AND beat our two biggest rivals AT THEIR OWN STADIUMS!

08 Jan 2012 18:14:39
So thats City that we will knock out and Liverpool also. That just leaves us with Chelsea and Totenham as direct threats. This trophy is looking ours!

RedDevil19

08 Jan 2012 18:14:26
Nice easy draw in the 4th round. Couldn't be better.

G.A.G.U.S

08 Jan 2012 18:06:22
well syd , stevie g will make you eat your words , what you said about him , 3-1 to liverpool with a stunning stevie hat-trick , anymore mega siging this month lads like cole or yorke or keane , i like scholes , but come mon what the heck is happening at utd , theres something very wrong going on behind the scenes there ...............lfc

08 Jan 2012 17:59:19
Liverpool away... It just had to be! I look forward to knocking two of our biggest rivals out of the cup! And I am predicting a sending off in that one too, tensions should be high with all this racism sh*te.

Gar

08 Jan 2012 17:54:15
Liverpool away you could,nt make it up
onecut

08 Jan 2012 17:52:56
Liverpool vs United in the 4th Round of the FA Cup. That is going to be one meaty game.

TK-Red

08 Jan 2012 17:51:28
HAHA brilliant draw, would of preferred to of been at home but we all ways do it the hard way!

p.s how did i know we would get pool at anfield, could just feel it.

JWalk

08 Jan 2012 17:50:45
good win against city , pity you got us , your out , easy-peasy..............lfc

08 Jan 2012 17:49:22
Liverpool vs United

Game on

Shappy

08 Jan 2012 17:41:59
Rooney has voiced his happiness on twitter, nice to see..."@WayneRooney: Great win today. We was brilliant 1st half. Thankfully seen the game out. Looking forward to the draw in a few minutes."

RedManDan

08 Jan 2012 17:17:24
Seb larsson from sunderland anyone? Fairly cheap and can actually put a good ball in the box, not to mention a free kick specialist. Like a poor mans Beckham (prime), which in all honesty wouldn't be a bad addition to our squad.

UNITED_LEGENDS

08 Jan 2012 17:04:53
On the Scholes issue, I'm expecting Alan Hansen to come out and say you can't win anything with pensioners!

Del boy!

08 Jan 2012 17:00:07
That was a bigger robbery than the Khan boxing match, total screw job

Thats never a sending off, refs favouring utd to much just like newcastle daint get a pen and webb gave everything to them

If you say rules are rules why was evra not sent of for touching the ref as he was on a yellow as you are not supposed to according to the rules

you cant have it both ways

Watch how City get screwed with decisions in the coming weeks, it happens all the time

I await your responses

The Dark Knight {Ed007's Note - Wee bit paranoid there Batman are we?}

08 Jan 2012 16:35:29
I like Wellbeck looks a really good player, but you have to put this win in perspective. You were playing 10 MEN for christs sake! Any neutral fan would have to say that was not a red card against Kompany, he won the ball and DIDNT touch Nani ???....funny how United always manage to get a major player sent off when there is a crucial game on...remember Gerard, Mascherano etc.....

We are not paranoid, but guys this is becoming a little bit too coincidental. Something is seriously not right with this sport.....United should be able to win without help, but they dont appear to be able to against the big boys anymore. Virtually every game United are getting all the major decisions in their favour. If Newcastle hadnt ripped you to shreds, Im sure your 12th man in that game would have swung it somehow...

ps thought Scholes was the best player you had today, so well done to him...didnt look at all out of place, a class player

Tel 1949

08 Jan 2012 16:00:43
It's a shame City could only cling to the 6-1 victory for 2-3 months.

MPez

08 Jan 2012 15:46:20
A win is a Win,....so F**k U Man CITY.
{ps (Sorry Bond),....}

08 Jan 2012 15:43:21
Torres and Milijas have been shown red cards for a lot less than what Kompany did today. And those are just two off the top of my head. If Nani doesn't jump out of the way, he could have broken an ankle, as SAF pointed out. Foy will get a lot of the headlines, but we shouldn't forget which team was 1-0 up after ten minutes.
After SAF got his first half tactics spot on, the team let him down in the second. Kolarov's goal was stunning, but Richards shouldn't have won the free kick off Evra. Evra, Ferdinand and Jones all had poor games, but in fairness to Jones, I don't think he was 100% fit. Valencia reminded everyone how good he can be if he's allowed to play as a RW. If Foy had given the penalty for the blatant foul on Toni, I'm sure the lads would have put a few more past City.

Matthew...

08 Jan 2012 15:30:31
Good comments from Fergie after the game, love listening to his pre/post-match analysis. I think it's one of the things that makes him a great manager. But he's right, we were sloppy, we can't be that sloppy in future or we will throw games away.

Why does everyone (i.e. pundits) keep talking about how good City were? Like Sir Alex said we made them look better than they were at getting back into it. Anyone would think the fought back to a draw, pretty sure it's us in the next round and not them. And little mention of our blatant pen turned down. And I think it was a correct red card. The media... Sigh.

Scholes was a passenger, not really at all happy with him back.

And Townsend is a twot.

Happy chap here though :D

APC

08 Jan 2012 15:24:02
COOL..

after watching the boys..... now get to watch

Scott Wootton and Ryan Tunnicliffe

both start...

come on lads....

oxred

08 Jan 2012 15:18:53
just a quick question but what's our longest losing streak i honestly cant remember the last time we lost more than 3 games in a row

08 Jan 2012 15:16:49
Syd you can't even assume that ref gave us a good chance to win this game? He almost took it from us?

The red card was stupid, Carrick and Evra could get a red too if Foy followed the way he did to Kompany.

Crap 2nd half, stupid mistakes in defence, yes, we're in the next round but don't call the ref to this game please.

We won and I'm happy but as always when comes to subs SAF is something else. Y take Nani when was having a good game and leave Giggs??????

Thanks God Scholes decided to come back is better than every and each mid player.

But one thing is for sure, we're the last team to complain about the ref today.


Holyunited

08 Jan 2012 15:12:22
Here's a stat i copied and pasted...
" 71 - After coming on after 60 mins, Paul Scholes made 71 passes (97% complete), more than any Man City player in the entire game. Comeback "

BennyBlanco

08 Jan 2012 15:02:10
The second half was ruined by Kolarov's freekick. I think after then United just wanted to keep possession and not go for the throat. The ref bottled it at 3.1 when we had another stonewall penalty, should have been 4.1, not 3.2. Then Foy getting in the way of a United break and giving the possession back to City with 30 secs to go. The ref hasn't handed us this game, he nearly took it from us. If it went 4.1, the score could have been anything after that.

Hopefully we can get a nice easy draw in the next round so Pogba & Morrison can get a game. Glad to see Rooney come out and put an end to this speculation as nonsense, his words, not mine.

Sydney!

08 Jan 2012 14:59:52
why do we always make it so tight towards the end i will never know..

we need to get back to keeping clean sheets..too many defensive errors...silly errors too at that..

Rudi

08 Jan 2012 14:56:50
does anyone remember the good old days at the start of the season and we were bragging about how low the average age of our team was lol

08 Jan 2012 14:54:44
thank god, starting to get worried there..

scholes is a legend but his match sharpness isn't up to scratch.

08 Jan 2012 14:46:08
win or loss...

we looked 2nd best for 1st ten.. then a great goal and lucky sending off and still looked 2nd best until we got the wellbeck goal.. then we dominated....

so what has happend......

FERGIE.. sub decisions have been crap and it is showing.......

sorry.. but he really is living in the past..

oxred

08 Jan 2012 14:41:55
Hargreaves 30 yard screamer.. Surely not

08 Jan 2012 14:37:52
Ed? Man utd ed - you ok? Relax for god sake. Gazman {Ed007's Note - I'm fine thanks. I'm just not posting you childish trolling.}

08 Jan 2012 14:33:45
Its great to see Scholes come on, but firstly not for Nani, secondly, should of been for giggs. Strange, strange decision.

RedDevil19

08 Jan 2012 14:20:26
Scholesy coming on. Lets admit it, we all have a massive cheesy grin on our faces. Legend.... HERBIE {Ed007's Note - :-)

08 Jan 2012 14:18:21
well.. here he comes....

so lets see what he has got left in those legs...

oxred

08 Jan 2012 14:09:19
ed, it says on spn that rooney scored from a pen for his 2nd but he missed the pen and scored the rebound so does that still count as a pen ? {Ed007's Note - I wouldn't have thought so but a few places are listing it as a pen?????}

08 Jan 2012 14:05:31
This just in, United to absolutely PUMP those noisy kids!

Definate red card... agreed he won the ball but he'd of snapped a standing foot with that wrecklessness.

UTID!

Situation87

08 Jan 2012 13:59:22
Nice to see Rooney smiling.

08 Jan 2012 13:57:08
Playing with much more energy, and looking much more up for it. Nani looks confident and Valencia's crossing is world class. That's where United are strong, counter-attacking and wing-play, and that's something that's gone out of the window a bit this season as confidence has dropped. But we have done a thorough job of taking City apart after the red, should be four up. Hope we keep it up in the second half, 6 would be nice, but if they get an early goal second half I'll be biting my nails.

APC

08 Jan 2012 13:48:05
got to say valencia is looking really good today, hopefully he can keep his fitness and play this well every week.

JK

08 Jan 2012 13:44:31
i must say,..SCHOLES ...The Lucky Charm

08 Jan 2012 13:42:54
When did you sign Chris foy? Him and webbo could create an impressive defence


BW

08 Jan 2012 13:32:46
well done welbeck what a goal!

don't know what SAF has said to them but they are really up for it, just hope we don't get complacent

08 Jan 2012 13:26:54
Jones is clearly playing with an injury.

Sydney!

08 Jan 2012 13:21:12
Has Scholes no pride? Has SAF no respect whatsoever for a player who gave him so much?
This shows the desperation SAF has brought on himself.
A dark day for united indeed.

J Bones.

08 Jan 2012 13:16:02
was that a red for two footed challenge? was it too soft a red card eds?

Rudi {Ed007's Note - I thought it should have been a yellow because there was no contact made, but Nani is very lucky he didn't catch him. I suppose the intent was there and that is what the ref thought.}

08 Jan 2012 13:14:12
Degavu

.....more 5 to score lads..c`mon

08 Jan 2012 13:13:53
Lets see how City deal with ten men.

Sydney!

08 Jan 2012 13:09:36
Hope this has a fairytale ending.... Scholes on as sub and scores the winner. COME ON YOU LEGEND, LETS AV IT............ HERBIE

08 Jan 2012 12:51:32
Paul Scholes? Who next Bobby Charlton? lol

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96

08 Jan 2012 12:48:36
Lindegaard; Smalling, Jones, Ferdinand, Evra; Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Nani; Welbeck Rooney. Subs: De Gea, Evans, Rafael, Scholes, Anderson, Hernandez, Park.

Interesting, I thought both Smalling and Evans were a week or two away from fitness. Also i'd have gone with De Gea as he's the better shot stopper where as Lindegaard is better at dealing with the more physical nature of english football, and if i was a betting man i'd say it's more likely that against this current city side it'll be more important to be a good shot stopper rather than being strong enough to take a battering. I worry about having Giggs in the middle an think it would have been better to start with a three man Midfield and have Anderson starting in for Welbeck and keep it tight until the second half then bring on Welbeck to open the game up in the last half an hour.

Shappy

08 Jan 2012 12:44:21
well, Doesn't this just scream desperation.

I love Scholes and he can easily get a job done for us week in, week out. BUT as a club, are we really in that position where we can't afford to bring ANYBODY in at all? I don't believe the rubbish about targets not being available either. If we want someone bad enough we would be able to get them. simple as that.

I'm not saying this wasn't a good thing, but it just shows the financial situation we're in and that instead of trusting in the future we're going back to the past. Why not play Pogba? let him show that he's worth the contract he's asking for. Really does bemuse me.

He'll most likely sign a 1 year extension at the end of the year too.

Oh, and I don't buy into the statement that he asked to come back. It seems funny that HE wants to come back even though it's our midfield that's gone to pot.

I'm glad he's back, but if we're looking at him to be our leader instead of simply playing back up then we really are in trouble.

The Moon.

08 Jan 2012 12:35:13
wow how embarrassing, bringing a retired player out of retirement cos the current players we have are no good.

if this doesn't strengthen the case that we have no money to spend on a top player then surely nothing will.

i think we should get behind rooney aswell, he knows more about the club than us and if he thinks we lack ambition then we should believe him cos like i said he knows what goes off at the club more than we do.

08 Jan 2012 12:32:42
Scholes coming back what a joke to the club well done fergie I thought we was ment to be one of the biggest clubs in the world would even go as far and say not even in the top 5

While your there fergie why don't we get Dennis irwin
Peter , Gary pallister , Steve Bruce , cantona

This is embarrassing to the club and the fans

08 Jan 2012 12:24:08
Eds does anyone know if scholes is match fit because he is starting on bench today. He must have been training for today {Ed007's Note - He must have a decent level of fitness or he wouldn't be on the bench.}

08 Jan 2012 12:15:34
Scholes.....what a legend.....knows we are up the Keiber and comes out of retirement to help. Now thats a true Red!! Thats a man who knows what its about to wear the shirt and knows what this match means. Thats a man who puts this club above all else.

Legend!!

08 Jan 2012 12:07:32
Scholesy is back! Hopefully gonna dig his heels in and play like the good old days and help us keep on the tails of City.

RedDevil92

08 Jan 2012 12:04:41
Never been so pessimistic about a game of football in my life as I am today... And I'm the most blind optimist (I thought we'd beat Barca 3-0 in the final...haha). But on a serious note, if we managed to get a win today that would be huge. For some reason I can see Fergie suprising us with some youngsters? That'd be nice... cue people posting the line-up with Gibson and Rafeal in the centre............

APC {Ed004's Note - Or he could surprise us with the older players ;)}

08 Jan 2012 12:01:10
i wrote the bit on boycottin matches, i would like peoples opinions and for shappy etc that like people to leave names, my name is joey and im born in manchester(wythenshaw) but now live in the west country. im going for 1-2 today wit jones getting the winner

08 Jan 2012 05:04:36
No 2,

Whats this appreciation society thing thats getting mentioned about? I typed the link in and only got all the mentions of it on all the clubs sites.

Jono {Ed007's Note - It is a FB page someone has set up Jono.}

08 Jan 2012 01:01:17
Okay, so none of us can actually say we know the team for tomorrow. this is my prediction;

------------------DDG------------------
Twin--------Rio------Jones--------Fryers
---Valencia---Carrick---Park---gibson---Nani
------------------Welbeck

Bench; 1) Anders 2) Thorpe 3) giggs 4) Rooney 5) Pogba 6) Berbatov 7) Diouf.

If we only get 7 subs then scrap the last two :).

I think we'll go with Park 'creating' and supporting Welbeck, Carrick and Gibson providing the defensive duties to an extent and as usual massive wing play.

The Moon.