Manchester United Banter Archive July 08 2018

 

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08 Jul 2018 21:57:54
to united addict i do not now who you have been watching at the world cup but england have been as good as any team there did you watch croatia they were poor.

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09 Jul 2018 03:40:55
dazw that's the support our club looks out for from the fans. Even though its not great to watch, you still think its better than the others. that's my point. I understand that the loyalty towards the national team is greater but still the ckub expects similar standards from the fans when you support them.

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09 Jul 2018 07:21:15
United addict. what are you on about 🤣🤣.

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09 Jul 2018 08:14:21
Nothing mate. If people don't get what i am saying then there is no point going on. For all i care England can win the cup and all cups after thiis one. Just FYI, i have supported England in all comps prior to this one. I was aghast when Becks wss sent off, was down when Ronaldinho scored that lucky free kick, delighted when Becks scored the penalty against Argentina. Lampard's goal disallowed against Germany broke my heart similar to when Postiga's dink penalty sent England out. And who can forget Ronaldo wink.

All said, i want same passion and support shown towards the club as it is towards the national side.

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09 Jul 2018 08:59:55
His just is people slate united for playing crap yet praise England when he feels the standard of play has been about the same as united.

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09 Jul 2018 09:04:53
UA,

It all comes down to expectation doesn't it, United are the richest club in the world, have won trophy after trophy for 20 years playing mainly decent football and often scintillating football, also a lot of us fans pay hard earned money to go and see them play so we expect more, we want success and a style of play that gets us off our feet.

Contrast that with England, as you say in your post, we have had a lot of disappointment over the years, many posters on this page will never have seen England get to this stage, it is unbelievable and of course the whole country is behind them, this young team is performing miracles and the passion is there for all to see. If the players play with passion then they will get praised, simple really.

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09 Jul 2018 09:05:08
UA i believe the reason for it is that in past tourneys eng were always one of the favourites. a team full of star names but they always failed (not in 66 though) . look at when they had becks scholes lampard stevieg rio cashley owen terry (these are the first eng players i watched) . some of the best in the world. what did they win, how deep did they go in major tourneys. compare that to this team now. the team now are underdogs. younger side with less superstars and performing above "expectations". that is the major difference. expectations. i believe the majority of us (united supporters) expect to win/ challenge (even though we are in a transition phase) and to play football the united way. as a society we have become very impatient and demand results. it would have been interesting to see if SAF would have kept his job if he was hired nowadays. i honestly think he would of been let go in his 2nd year.

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09 Jul 2018 13:53:45
England are not playing fantastic football but are clearly leaving everything on the field. If you have 11 players working their socks off, covering every blade of grass and crunching into tackles, it gets fans off their seats and pumped up. It unites fans.
Unfortunately United have players who are not working to the best of their ability all the time but season is more than 7 games at a world cup. It is not possible to be firing on all cylinders all the time.
I was happy we got to the quarters, delighted to be in the last 4 and this is the biggest chance I think we will ever have to win it. The whole country knows that. Its like when Leicester won the league its just this time, we are all Leicester fans.

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08 Jul 2018 19:19:05
Nice little interview with Willie Morgan over on stretty news. Must be nearly 80 now, but still has an opinion on what’s going going on at OT.

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08 Jul 2018 19:55:52
Apologies for the two ‘goings’. iPad has major keyboard lag.

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08 Jul 2018 21:53:16
he is 73.

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09 Jul 2018 09:05:17
Almost 100 then!

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09 Jul 2018 11:01:37
He was 73 but the lag on notimetolouse’s key pad added 7 years. 😉.

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08 Jul 2018 19:02:33
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08 Jul 2018 11:02:45
First off i am not English but England would be my third choice team to win it. Sorry.

Now, i have been reading and witnessing the support the team is getting on this page even though the football/ style has been poor, probably the poorest of all the 4 remaining teams. So, my question is why the double standards when it comes to supporting United? Why all the crap negativity there?

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08 Jul 2018 11:25:33
The constant sniping at england is just as boring as our style of play .

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08 Jul 2018 12:06:11
I'd have thought the difference is lots of countries started the world cup with better teams than England but England are playing to their full potential, they are amongst the highest scorers and have large possession of the ball . England score lots from set plays well teams have to deal with that it's a big part of the game.
England face well you haven't had to play much, Colombia or Sweden but Sweden beat France in qualifying for the world cup, finished ahead of the Dutch, knocked Italy out and at the world cup hammered Mexico, beat the Swiss and Koreans and only loss was last minute to the Germans . They maybe aren't a great team but everyone else has had real problems with them .

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08 Jul 2018 12:25:51
I suspect this is a wind up but I'll bite anyway!

It's our first WC semi final for 28 years and it's now 22 years since that magical summer in 96 which represents the last time when we could all feel proud of a English side. I'd like to wager a bet that a good number of posters weren't even alive the last time England played in a semi final of a major tournament.

In relation to the style did you watch England under Taylor, McClaren, Capello or Hodgson? As your not English I suspect not so let me tell you it was not a pleasant experience, more akin to watching paint dry.

Southgate has broken down barriers, selected players on merit not reputation, had a clear vision of how he wants the team to play and even won a penalty shootout. He has prepared the team properly, took it seriously, realised that to progress we'll probably need to win a shootout and planned accordingly, we've practised, used psychologist, left nothing to chance.

Finally we have an England team that can keep the ball, play with some imagination and fluidity and done the things we've good at. Worked hard, been organised, been a threat on set pieces. Above all we've been competent, confident, played for each other and without being spectacular we've beaten the teams that we really should be beating, rarely looked threatened and dominated. Don't be fooled Columbia reached the semi's of the Copa America in 2016 and reached the QF of the 2014 WC narrowly losing to the hosts Brazil. Sweden knocked Italy out in the play offs and topped the group above Germany. No push overs by any means!

Nobody's getting carried away, we haven't faced a Germany, Spain, France or Brazil but we've taken care of business which Germany and Spain failed to do and they're out!

Scoring from set pieces appears to be used as a stick to beat England when in fact it should be recognised as a sign of great management and preparation. It was absolutely paramount y'day used to break a fantastically well drilled and organised Sweden. If Spain worked as hard on their set pieces maybe they'd be still in the competition.

Are we excited dam right, I hope that answers your question.

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08 Jul 2018 12:26:32
Deano this wasnt a snipe at England buddy. Its just that it would be great if our beloved club got the same support from the so called fans rather than "constant sniping"

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08 Jul 2018 12:49:59
UA, England only this tournament have had some backing as they are exceeding expectations.
Every other tournament there is usually a lot of negativity.

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08 Jul 2018 13:21:42
Why the double standards. that is because we expect more from United and England are exceeding our expectations.

We expect a certain style and performance from United whilst winning competitions.

That is why.

England A have not lost a game yet, and by the end of the tournament we can say the only team we lost to was Belgium and the only team Belgium lost to was England how GREAT and FANTASTIC would that be.

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08 Jul 2018 14:04:54
Not everyone snipped at the club mate it's mostly differing opinions but as far as england are concerned you can't come on here atm without seeing some bitter post about england.

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08 Jul 2018 14:07:15
Fantastic post DLIB.

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08 Jul 2018 14:52:09
If it stops you lads going on about 1966, then bring it on! Seriously, I hope you do it, even with a vested interest in Belgium and Croatia.

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08 Jul 2018 16:47:07
Ok, let me try and be rational with this.

United have been dour, safety first, and we have players who do not play to their potential. That is the issue I have with out style. Protect your goal first, try and score second.

As for England, they look to play forward, they try things, and the players are playing to their potential. The Manage treats them like adults, understands they are people with individual needs, who understands that the team is more important than the individual. Southgate rarely talks about himself or seeks to take credit, he uses ‘we’ not ‘I’.

Ask yourself this. Watching the World Cup, is Pogba playing better for France than he does for United? Does Lukaku look more dangerous? Is Jesse enjoying his football? My answer would be yes to al of those things.

As for England, they have not been fantastically impressive but they have dealt efficiently with every team put in front of them, the character they showed having conceded on the last minute against Colombia was impressive. Yes they haven’t played a ‘big’ team but Italy didn’t qualify, Spain went our early, and the rest of them are in the other half of the draw. You can only beat who is in front of you and England have generally been useless at tournaments. We have turned up with a team of stars and failed miserably, be it in the group or on penalties; losing to Iceland was a particular low.

We have beaten who we needed to beat, we look like we are enjoying it and above all, the players are playing to their potential and playing as a team. Belgium were pants against Japan until they had a golden half hour. France were patchy but are now coming into form, apart form that has anyone looked great? Certainly no better than England.

I remember 1982, I remember 1990,I remember 1996. We’ve lost on penalties so many times, as well as silly defeats against teams we should have beaten. Right now I am watching Harry McGuire look like a colossus, John Stones becoming the player we worried he would, Trippier stepping up, Pickford demonstrating he has huge cojones, Sterling scaring the pants off the opposition, Kane being Kane, Southgate being dignified and articulate, and I am proud to be English.

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08 Jul 2018 16:54:55
Tony, great post, mate.

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08 Jul 2018 17:22:10
Great post. Too many times we've mucked up. 90, 96 an 98 were bad but that's penalties. The 2010 an 2014 teams were the worst I've ever seen. And the less said about Iceland the better. This teams restored belief.

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08 Jul 2018 22:41:58
Fantastic post Tony. I’m sick of the negativity on this site at times tbh. People always complaining or moaning. England haven’t been in a semi final for 28 years. They can win the tournament. The team have such a great vibe around them that I have never seen from an English team in my time. This team makes me proud to be English and I am going to enjoy it. I don’t care how we play or how we do it, but I want to win the World Cup because that is all that matters. It’s not how you get there, it’s just about getting there.

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08 Jul 2018 23:41:50
Ive been wishing England Southgate and all the players well. Great time to be an England supporter. I remember irelands run in 1990 and loved the togetherness it brought to the whole country. So enjoy it.
I like to see all the united lads do well.
With England Belgium and France going deep into the tournament it leaves the door wide open for martial and shaw to come in early and cement a place in the team. Young lukaku jessie rash fellaini jones pogba will have to have an extended holiday i'm sure so along with the 2 mentioned above herrera fred mata dalot rojo all have to do enough to give the manger some selection problems.

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09 Jul 2018 03:44:26
Sick of the negativity park? Its been 3 weeks only. Imagine coming on this page for the whole year and seeing nothing but this from the same lot like Tony who is now trying to put a positive spin. Southgate is being touted the messiah.

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09 Jul 2018 07:24:39
UA it's a team that gets together a couple of times a year. It's a magnificent achievement to get to a world cup semi final.

The likes of tony has the right to put a positive spin on It. It's been 28 years since England got this far and over 50 years since they last won it.

Your posts are quite ridiculous.

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09 Jul 2018 08:16:51
Yeah, mine are and so are yours through out the season angelred.

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09 Jul 2018 09:54:03
Think England are a great example of a team playing for each other, playing to there potential and a manager getting the best out of his team .
Happy days.

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09 Jul 2018 10:06:00
UA I’ve been coming on this page for years so I fully well know how negative it has been. And as you will know I have always been one of the more positive posters and generally backed the manager and club. You say Tony is negative - perhaps, but then is is a far more experienced fan and has seen things in a different time so has a different perspective. Do I think he is right? Not always. But when I sometimes think we should sacrifice style for substance, he does remind us that united were built on playing the United way and that we must entertain the fans. At the end of the day I have found this site very negative, especially at the end of last season. I expect it to return when we lose a game next season. But we all want the best for united.

Why do you have to bring up united when everyone is trying to enjoy england’s Run in the World Cup? I know what you are trying to say but quite frankly I have not thought about united these past three weeks because I’ve enjoyed supporting my country successfully for the first time in my life. For young fans such as myself, this is he first time I have ever been involved in the national euphoria and excitement of potentially winning a major international trophy. And when the tournament is finished, i will switch my focus back to my beloved united and support all the players and the manager as we look to return to the top. Nowbody this Southgate is the messiah. Nobody thinks we are playing incredible football. But we are just enjoying england not flopping for once. That doesn’t mean Southgate should be a top 6 manager. He’s just doing a great job as a national manager and is rightly being praised. You say you felt pain when england have gone out in the past and I’m sure you have. But if you are not English then it’s difficult for you to feel real pain perhaps the way we have. Likewise when wales went out in the euros I could not feel the same pain as a native welsh fan. It’s a bit irritating for me when people spout of negatitivity when this has been such an incredible World Cup for all.

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09 Jul 2018 11:59:08
My apologies for ruining the euphoria for you guys. Go on and win it. As someone said down the page-

"Its coming home" for you guys.

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09 Jul 2018 18:26:05
Thanks UA. I just don't get what you're on about to be honest and I'm Irish.

Glad you've been reading my posts throughout the season ;)

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09 Jul 2018 19:19:02
I’m going to join GDS on the negative step.

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08 Jul 2018 10:49:32
Morning guys,

I think it's been a very good World Cup from a Utd perspective. Pogba, Lindelof, Lingard and Lukaku have all arguably been standout performers for their countries and made significant contributions. Fellaini came on and rescued Belgium from the brink. He was probably the best player against England and was excellent against Brazil. Young has been solid. Rashford came on and changed the game against Tunisia. He showed amazing maturity and composure to stick his penalty away.

I think it demonstrates we've got a very good squad and importantly most of our players are young, they are still learning and improving. Their experience at the WC will be invaluable and we should reap the rewards with the renewed confidence they will bring into next season.

I'm excited by the signing of Fred and hope he can bring the energy and intensity to release Pogba. I think we must accept now that Pogba is a unique player. He won't dictate the play or set the tempo. He can often get caught sleeping defensively. He can surrender possession too easily at times but some of his passing and vision is out of this world. He isn't always involved but he never hides and he always tries to make things happen. He's never safe playing easy or ineffective sideways or backwards passes. He's a fantastic player burdened by unrealistic expectations in a world where he's expected to defend like Kante, pass like Scholes and attack like Zidane.

Special praise must be afforded to Jesse Lingard. His movement, intelligence and work rate has never been in question but now he's added a goal threat and end product to his game. Is there a more improved player in world football right now? Surely his form warrants a run of games at No 10 rather than being shunted out on the right when he often struggles to impact the game.

I can't help feeling that this could be a pivotal few months in the career of Luke Shaw. With Young out of the picture at the WC then surely he will be afforded a run of games during preseason and he may even start the season as our first choice left back. He needs to make the most of this opportunity, he won't get a better chance to show why we spent so much money to sign him.

I think we've got a lot to feel optimistic about going into next season. It won't be easy but we've got a chance.

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08 Jul 2018 13:47:41
Lindelof has been brilliant most times I’ve seen him for Sweden, he was phenomenal against Italy in the play off.
I think he was beginning to settle towards the end of the season and turned in some good performances.

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08 Jul 2018 07:13:32
Two great moments yesterday. Rashford walking round the Sweden players shaking their hands, and Jesse hugging his Mum. Top boys.

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08 Jul 2018 10:12:49
Rashford was crying ajh is that not one of your pet hates or is that only if you don't play for united?
Great to see them enjoying their win. Great squad unity well done mr Southgate.

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08 Jul 2018 11:31:24
No idea why he was crying ken, don’t understand it, I guess he’s still a kid, not a seasoned pro like say David Luiz.

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08 Jul 2018 13:06:10
Sometimes emotion gets the better of you and crying takes over. Don't get why it's a problem.

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08 Jul 2018 14:41:02
Its ok to cry. Emotion is a personal thing people should express themselves. The stiff upper lip thing is BS.

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08 Jul 2018 14:59:23
Ken, I agree that the stiff upper lip is bullshit, I’m a modern man and have no trouble expressing my emotions. But there are far worse things happening than losing a football game, that’s my point. Sobbing and blubbing because you’ve a lost a game is a bit tragic, it kind of sums up the mania that has been built up around football in recent years.

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08 Jul 2018 15:20:26
I was near in tears at the final whistle an I weren't on the pitch or in the stands. Its the emotion. Its been a long road for a lot of us. 28 years since we've been in a word cup semi final. Look at the players we've seen pass through the England team in that time. Many of them more talented than these boys but lacking what these players have.

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08 Jul 2018 15:59:27
Whilst I agree in principle AJH, I do see why footballers get emotional. I agree it is just a game, but to the players it is not. It is a lifetime of hard work and blood, sweat and tears to get to where they are. They have probably dreamt of this for years and so when they achieve it sometimes the emotion gets too much. They are so invested in it and it’s not a game to them. It’s their life. So in that sense I can see why players cry.

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08 Jul 2018 16:48:47
I cried when I got within 6 feet of Kylie.

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08 Jul 2018 17:19:14
Who Jeremy Kylie? 😆😆.

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08 Jul 2018 17:24:22
Was that when the security team jumped in?

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08 Jul 2018 19:49:25
Kylie is 50 and available, I’m 53 and, yes married but I’m happy to sort that out. I. I really don’t see what the problem was.

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08 Jul 2018 22:36:16
Ken cried during the charity game, he smashed his bottle of whiskey lol.

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Review Of The Day 8th July 2018

08 Jul 2018 06:24:53
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 8th July 2018

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08 Jul 2018 01:38:54
Great games today Well done England too I expected more from Sweden? But that's been the same all throughout the WC

Were sure to have at least 1 Man Utd player in the final hopefully though we get lukaku Rash and Lingaard in the final?! But some might won't Pogba to see if he can step up.

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08 Jul 2018 09:24:12
What about the Fellaini - how could you forget him.

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08 Jul 2018 01:07:07
Lindelof, Young, Fellaini, Lukaku, and Lingard have all had excellent world cups. Fellaini, in particular has shown why re-signing him was a good piece of business. He may not play a lot but he made all the difference in Belgium's comeback win against Japan, and in their ability to stem the Brazilians. Each was a different role.

As far as players who might improve the team, Alex Sandro, in his brief appearance was a standout, causing havoc down the right. Strong, pacy, skillful and direct.

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08 Jul 2018 05:38:21
Are you sure you are thinking of Alex Sandro. I didn't think he made the squad for the World Cup plus he plays left back. Are you sure you weren't watching Douglas Costa. Right winger, pacy, skillful, direct.

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08 Jul 2018 06:30:28
I think Leroy Sane was also excellent.

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08 Jul 2018 07:04:51
Zlatan was phenomenal last night.

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08 Jul 2018 09:03:19
I think Pele is man of the tournament in my humble opinion.

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08 Jul 2018 10:14:23
If Maradonna had got more minutes Argentina would have been flying high.

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08 Jul 2018 10:16:34
Bebe, the next Christian Ronaldo, was untouchable with magnificent derivery of crosses.

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08 Jul 2018 10:18:46
I think what Shawthing is subconsciously implying is that we could do with both the LB Sandro and the RW Costa.
Mourinho said he thought every team should have a Brazillian well let's bring in 3 with Fred on board.

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08 Jul 2018 10:32:58
Kennedyandy was listening to Chinese commentary.

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08 Jul 2018 10:41:05
Think Italy should have got the pen yesterday, seconds away from going through.

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08 Jul 2018 12:40:21
VAR is still looking at it.

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