Manchester United Banter Archive August 09 2012

09 Aug 2012 23:49:08
MPez {Ed002's Note - You will be fine. Don't worry.}

Looks like that trip to Bangkok has come back to haunt you, eh MPez?

G.A.G.U.S

09 Aug 2012 22:48:24
Eds, due to fergie being worried about lack of centre backs due to injuries could you see him going for a centre midfielder that can also play centre back? As we no he does like versatile players and someone like wanyama could do the job well.

Ozzy

09 Aug 2012 23:21:21
arsenal are better equipped than united in every department.
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there's me thinking the Liverpool fans were deluded..

JK92

Deluded much? United are twice the club that Arsenal are. Tesco are better equipped than Arsenal in every department...

T0MB0Z

There's no getting through to them... trust me i've tried

=v1=

09 Aug 2012 23:11:44
Ed what do you think the possibility is of us getting Modric if real get Witsel?

Dan {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

09 Aug 2012 22:30:50
Perhaps the club need a lesson in negotiation techniques. Why indicate to Arsenal we are in fact desperate and can't understand why they won't sell to us at the price we have offered. We shoud make them think we will wait until the 31st August and shaft them like City did. SAF stamping his feet is more likely to make Arsenal dig in for a bigger price. Is it the first sign of desperation in that if RVP turns us down SAF will be embarrassed by the growing number of failures in the market

Red Man

What if, and this is a what if because like everyone else I don't know, Arsenal have already agree a deal with us but to appease their disgruntled fans they asked Utd to say how hard it is to do business with them, they won't talk with us so they can make it looked like they tried to sell abroad but no one wanted and he really wanted to go.

Just a thought.

Tommy

As an Arsenal fan I would not be disgruntled by selling you RVP. In 8 years we have got 1 good season out of him and to get 20-25 million for him I would happily drive him to Old Trafford. He is the last of the "negative mentality " players at our club . We already have replacements and like yourselves, with the chances made by us each week , if you cannot score 20-30 goals a season you are probably not that good
Paul Belfast

I'm sure you wouldn't be disgruntled, truth be know I'm not a fan of him coming here without upsetting the balance, and leaving other players out. But you - aside there would be plenty of disgruntled Arsenal fans if your club was to sell him to us, and with the amount of back door shenanigans going on in transfers these days, it's not wrong to think that our club is trying to keep us happy the best they can, as are yours.

Tommy

09 Aug 2012 22:27:42
Possible singings ? And chances of RVP ?

Sydney !

Sydney intruder alert?

Scaramanga

I was hoping that if Real Madrid got either Modric or Witsel we could get the other? Both clubs have shown interest in both players so lets say Modric goes to Madrid, we can go for Witsel and also the other way round, we both come out winners!

Ed's is there any chance of this happening?

-JakeW

No, it's

Sydney !

Lets hope this one isn't as one sighted as the original :-)

Flimbo

09 Aug 2012 22:12:39
It may even be on deadline day but I think Utd will sign RVP,the obvious game of the fee will carry on but fergie wants him&he also knew City wanted him&even more after Mancini apparent toys out the pram with Marwood of why they hadn't got him.So that extra joy of rubbing city nose in it with there chasin most Utd targets thinking can jus offer more money&jump in. The failure to sign Moura after the long running attempt fergie knows if also didn't get RVP aswell then its gona look silly at Utd&the excuses won't work. I don't think a front two of Welbeck/Rooney is an all out worry for top teams but RVP/Rooney then any team knows they got a problem!

09 Aug 2012 22:01:39
Why does everyone keep dismissing Kagawa's ability to play on the left of a front 4 ? That is where he played for Borussia Dortmund a lot and he also drifts out there when playing central also. I couldn't see why we couldn't have a front 4 of -

Valencia_____Rooney_____Kagawa
_____________RVP_____________

Therefore we could sell Nani and use the funds to add to what we have available and try and sign Witsel and Dembele.

George

Well he didn't play on the left.... He played in behind Lewandowski... Gotze played out wide along with either Grobkreutz or Blazsychowksi (excuse the spelling), However he does play wide left for Japan normally in a 4-3-3

RedKnight

Unbelievable!
everyone is talking about our injury record, which is abysmal in the last couple of years and there we have a suggestion to sell arguably on of our most feared players!

You don't win anything with 11 great players anymore, as shown by Liverpool, Villa, even Chelsea in the last couple of years!

09 Aug 2012 21:46:35
i reall feel utd will struggle this season, every year im confident we will challenge on all fronts, but for the first time il be glad if we can get 3rd, i can see city and chelsea finishing 1 and 2 with a 10 point gap between us arsenal and spurs. How saf feels our midfield can compete is beyond me, every one says ando will come good he wont, he's useless. Cleverley is a great prospect but that isnt enough. Giggs will be used as a cm but he is way past it, carrick had a good season last year but never takes the game by the scruff of the neck, something we lack. Its sad to have to rely on scholes who is just fantastic. I read of interest in witsel but looks like real madrid have moved ahead of us again, with utd not willing to pay 25m for a player who would bring so much to our midfield. Another summer passes and our midfield will still not be sorted and even more worrying is the fact it looks like there has been no attempt to sort it. Its time to realise the days of utd being able to compete for the best players is over lets hope the days of us competing for honours lasts.

Great post at last some true Manchester united fans that can actually speak the truth n not deluded. We've dropped way behind European top clubs on the pitch champions league n uefa told you that last year . Club needs new signings and deadwood needs moving on. great post!
JUSE

It never ceases to amaze me the naivety of some posters, we are NOT the big hitters we have been for the last 20 years, times have changed, as much as it pains me to say it the money talks and we simply cant compete with city chelsea even psg, im not saying we cant compete on the pitch, but off it we are way behind attracting the top top names of previous seasons, hazard , moura, sneijder, even that little s#it nasri, all opted not to bother get used to it guys, THE REALIST

09 Aug 2012 21:30:44
It's official! Citeh and chelski have ruined football. Paying ridiculous money for players such as Barry, Milner, torres. Selling clubs are demanding outrageous fees for average players and all the greedy agents are getting in on this. Even Italian clubs like AC who have always attracted big names are struggling. If something isn't done soon then the game will be an even bigger mess. I really hope this fair play rule works

JaZz {Ed002's Note - Veron, Ferdinand?}

Ed002

We funded those transfers from within our own turnover

Red Man {Ed002's Note - There is nothing to stop clubs funding players how they want at the moment.}

Your comparing the signings of veron and Ferdinand with the way citeh, chelski and now PSG throw money about? That's a really poor argument 002

JaZz {Ed002's Note - Clubs can pay for players how they want - I don't see your problem unless it is penis envy.}

Exactly Ed, the only reason for the sudden ruination of football from the poster is the fact that we don't have the money that other teams have aka jealousy! Nobody cared when we were signing the big players like Rooney and Ferdinand from smaller clubs against their wishes but now the tables are turned "it's not fair" Pathetic! Football is not being ruined, United is being ruined by a family of Americans who don't care about us and only want our wages and for us to tolerate their own intolerance's, this isn't new people, we are all being forced to lose our voices to big corporate machines who wish to rule the world and all it's inhabitants so either speak out against it or roll over and be F$$$ed by the greedy Glazers like the rest of the fools who say we don't need to oust them!

Flimbo

Just my point of view ed, but I think a club spending big from money they earn is valid, but billionaires spending pocket money on their current toy is wrong
--cherk {Ed002's Note - Why? It is there business, they can do what they want to improve it.}

I agree Ed002, Even though I was thinking about salary caps or spending caps the other day but the cons out weigh the pros by a mile

George

002, you obviously can't grasp my point. I'm sure the united fans my post Was intended for grasp it do I'll leave it at that. Feel free to have the last word if it makes you feel important.

JaZz {Ed002's Note - I don't see that football has been "ruined", no. Showing your disdain and staring with your tongue hanging out at other clubs is a little embarrassing. Suck it up and move on, it is just a game.}

Flimbo. If the glazers bother you so much then do what they did. Get off your arse, work hard, earn yourself a fortune, buy united and run it the way you want

JaZz

Witty and intelligent Ed, is there anything you cant do? lol

Flimbo

{Ed002's Note - Due to abuse, we are done with Mobile posts for a while. Seems the retromingent vegetables are back.}

ED002
Shedding a little light on this topic.... How can you say football is just a game?? Its a religion :-)
ED, I do most of my posting through a mobile phone, are you serious??
HERBIE {Ed007's Note - Stick a tag in the e-mail field Herbie and you will be fine. You fall into the 'regular' category. It's the anonymous arseholes we are trying to cut down on and about time if you ask me. We are deleting the majority of posts just now.}

Will do Bond, cheers mate....
HERBIE

The point edd 002 is making is one ive tried to make myself many times.
football has changed there are teams out there who can now blow us out the water and fans dont like it, but we've been doing it to teams like spurs and arsenal for years.

money talks if new money doesn't come in to the game the same teams will continue to win the same trophies for the next 100 years
jred

09 Aug 2012 21:24:13
It annoys me that people keep saying buy this "world class player" or that one regardless of the cost and if we don't there's a conspiracy, bloody Glazers,blah, blah, blah.

Our history of buying those sort of headline players is not that good.

United make World Class players, we don't buy them. Remember it's a team game.

Other than Scholes and Giggs, who in our current squad have we "made world class"'? We have signed all our best players from other academies. Silly post

Flimbo

We made Rooney, Vidic and Rio world class.
They wern't world class when we bought them. Think before you speak next time..
#JMPW

Just one player really who needs to be mentioned who we made world class; Cristiano Ronaldo.

Viva Hernandez

Think before I speak? Are winding me up you fool? We BOUGHT those players from other academies which is the point I made. You would have realised it if you actually read the post properly. So by your reckoning we must have made Veron, Berbatov and Anderson worse after we signed them then as they were complete flops?

Read, digest and understand before you brainfart and make a fool of yourself in future!

Flimbo

You asked who in our current squad have we made world class and I answered your question.. Digging yourself a hole mate..
#JMPW

But we signed those players you person!!! Read the original post and you'll understand the point. We paid over £60M to bring those 3 players you mentioned to the club so we didn't make them! Are you really that intellectually challenged? If not then apology accepted and lets move on, you made a mistake and that's the end of it.

Flimbo

Yes we may have bought them but were they word class at that point?? NO! So therefore we made them world class!
#JMPW

Rooney was the best young player in the world when we bought him

Rio was one of the best CB in the world when we bought him and had just stared in the 2002 WC

Vidic was a top international player when we bought him , but has developed at united
jred

You are both tools, sorry.
yes we signed them, we were neither pregnant nor did we raise them!

and yes they were talented and destined for great things, but reached their potential, or maybe even more then thought at our beautiful clubs.

Jonny8

09 Aug 2012 20:46:06
Can people posting stop being so deluded that we have a squad or team capable of challenging for silverware this year. We as it stands have not signed enough in this window and at same time got rid of deadwood in our club. Were not the club we used to and won't ever be again until glazers go or at least debt paid. People thinking that getting RVP and kags is sufficient enough to compete then clearly deluded. It's not just money all top players see that we are not the club or force we once were . For the time being we must try to compete but stand aside coz champions league n premiership will not be coming back to OT for some years now.
JUSE

Jeez!! Did I not say too many doom and gloom merchants? .......... Equal top last season only to lose out on goal difference.
We've brought in Kagawa, Powell and trying for RVP. Cleverley, Vidic and Scholes will be here from the start, and yet you're saying we're not going to challenge!!
You sound like a scum fan to me!!
Mitch.

How many points did we lose the league by last season mate? Add vidic, kagawa and Rvp to that team you really think its not good enough?

Scouser on a wind up?

GDS

Not scouse n no wind up . Yes doom n gloom but you can't be so naive to think we can compete with them n Chelsea for title this season n champions league well let's forget that. We're transforming our team n I can't see us winning league for few years now . Other teams are getting stronger and competition is tougher. I think you could see us drop out of the top four this season with current squad we've got unless newfaces arrive soon.
JUSE

Not true at all. United have a chance to win both the PL and CL this year. The problems being talked about are the inability of the club to bring in the elite players that would make these trophies more likely....the current team can win those trophies, but a team with a few improvements would be far more likely to win these competitions as their top competition are all improving through the transfer market.-KG

JUSE, so I assume you think Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and City will all finish above us? I'll bet you 3.2 trillion pounds that doesn't happen! We finished 19 points ahead of Arsenal, 20 in front of Spurs and 25 ahead of Chelsea. Vidic is back and we've brought in Kagawa yet you think we've got that much worse that we'll finish behind those teams? Amazing

Gav

Don't be fooled by the 19 pts difference over Arsenal last season. Arsenal couldn't put a proper team out until the end of October due to injuries

Ah yes and united had no injuries last season at all did they? Oh hang on, more than any other club, including arsenal.

People on here are pathetic, we will finish in the top 2 as we always do. A team with vidic, Valencia, scholes, kagawa and Rooney in it would finish in the top 4 even with some of us making up the other 6 places!

GDS

Arsenal were no threat when they had Nasri, Cesc, RVP, Song etc, they certainly are no threat now. If RVP leaves then I expect Spurs to get 4th spot, Arsenal to finish 5th.

Sydney!

09 Aug 2012 20:30:12
surely we should be trying to sign Javi Martinez at all costs he is the EXACT player we need

mids red

09 Aug 2012 20:05:46
y couldnt scholes b 25? pure class!

09 Aug 2012 19:47:19
Just watched the highlights of last nights
Lancashire Senior Cup Final on MUTV and could not believe how much Adnan Janazaj has grown since getting injured in April this is one talented lad and now he is getting taller he will be knocking on the door in 12 months from now
On anither positive note I think it is now time Davide Petrucci was a full time first team member imo he is the best long ball passer behind the ginger prince and has got a hell of a dig on him
ARB
ARB

09 Aug 2012 19:29:55
manutd will surely stil get RVP

09 Aug 2012 13:46:02
Hey Ed002, do you have any information on Welbeck and his contract negotiations, I worry that he may be leaving, thanks.

-JakeW {Ed002's Note - Nothing, sorry.}

Cant see why you are worried about welbeck leaving he is never and will never be good enough to lead united front line

No name,

You can predict the future can you? Welbeck is a fantastic young talent and could be at the club for many years.

GDS

09 Aug 2012 13:57:31
just a question for the 2 edds: what do you think the possibility is of us getting or making a bid for isco of malaga? heard a few rumours that he could be a back up bid to moura now with moura going to psg what do you think the chances are of us going for isco? must say he looks a class player what i have seen of him looks like he can pass a ball has good has anyone and he looks realy creative would look good in our midfield and he has proved himself in spain not like moura in the braizl league and would prob get him for a lot cheaper than moura with malagas financial issues just woundering what the 2 edds thoughts are plus ive posted loads on here but never get on the rumours page.

09 Aug 2012 18:51:19
Since when has SAF ever come out and openly admitted that we have bid for a player. Now its all over the press that we are prepared to pay him 220k per week. However Arsenal are negotiating with other clubs and its out of our hands?? Get real! United dont have the money, they release these storeis to appease the fans and then say 'oh well we tried' Arsenal sold the bluenoses Clichy, Nasri, Toure, Adebayor so i doubt they would have an issue if we offered 20 million for him, especially as they have already replaced him. The issue isnt Arsenal, its our owners. Has anyone thought how we would play if he signed? Rooney, Welbeck + Hernandez (who fergie has already said will be top scorer next year! so he must be planning on using him). Valencia, Young, Nani kagawa? Just where does he fit in?/

If there is money (doubtful) spend it all on a bit of class in the middle and stop putting out all bs in the press. Put up or shut up.

The list is endless of players we have lost out on as there is NO money. Plenty of value in the market.

Simply kagawa can pay wide left anto wide right rooney behind RVP plus manutd do have money to spend as the agent of lucas said that he agreed to go to manutd before P$G step in
have a bit of faith we only the title on goal difference also youngest coming do you see man city going place any youngest on their team or ever using the youngest
RVP
Kawaga-Rooney-Anto
and any one say nani for anto i will bite your eye anto our best winger and in the PL

09 Aug 2012 18:38:05
too be honest i dont think we will sign anyone else this summer, and im not too bothered if we do. im just so let down by constant failed transfers every summer these days. never happened pre glazers, whoever we went after we got. maybe its just me being cynical but i cant help but think we're doing what a lot of italian teams are doing constantly -bidding for players with insufficient amounts with no actual desire to get the player, but to simply keep the fans happy. wouldnt suprise me with all the financial issues occuring with the glazers at the moment. jb

09 Aug 2012 17:45:46
Leaving behind the on-field performances, no one can deny that we are not an elite club when it comes to attracting the best available players. Manchester itself is a negative in most players opinions, and this has to be considered when approaching players. This means we may have to pay more. Throwing a tantrum (SAF) crying about value and prices and so on is a distraction and an excuse by the club. If one player is overpriced, fine, but if every top transferred player is costing a certain amount, then it is no longer overvalued, but accurately valued. SAF, courtesy of the Glazers, can't afford the fair value of these players, and doesn't seem to have the sales pitch to convince them to come anyways. SAF is a legend, and United wouldn't be the club they are today without him. But perhaps he just isn't built to operate in the new football landscape. We can complain about the horrible changes in football economics all we want, but aren't we just protesting through a hunger strike? Are the rules/prices going to change or are we going to starve first? -KG

Lucas Moura was not fair value no matter how much you try to say he was.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Wagner Ribeiro was in Manchester briefly last night and made it clear last night that the speed PSG moved at once SP stated the financial package that would need to be offered. Leonardo apparently made it clear to SP that he did not see the money would be an issue at all - this was less than a week ago.}

Couldn't agree more, the quicker we replace the Glazers, SAF and Gill the better. In SAF i no longer trust.
MU93

MU93-That is not at all what i was saying. And your hyperbole is neither accurate nor helpful. As a supporter who wants the club to succeed I am simply pointing out areas where the club has struggled and where it can be improved. To say SAF get out is absurd and cant possibly be from a United supporter. I wish he would return to his earlier tactics, but to want him gone is just silly. It is also absurd to blindly support the club 100% without any critical analysis. There's got to be a middle ground, and I keep getting grouped in with people like you when all I'm saying is that we need to acknowledge there are current issues and that there are ways to correct them. -KG

Ed002, how can self sufficient clubs compete with that? I am not going to whinge about sugar daddies in the game because although I don't agree with it, I do think the fans of the clubs do deserve their time to see stars at playing at their clubs. But no self sufficient club can compete with PSG when they are willing to pay that amount for a 19 year old kid. It's bonkers.

You have mentioned Witsel Ed, is there any other players that you can see United going for between now and September? Willems? Who will the club look at to replace Nani now? Rodriguez? Muniain? Thanks Ed much appreciated.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to players Syd but the FFP rules are not a matter to worry about just yet.}

09 Aug 2012 17:23:09
If we are short on centre backs then fergie should go out and get Martinez from Bilbao who can play there but ultimately for the midfield. While we are at it, make it a triple swoop and get Lorente and Munian and that should see us nicely for next season.

Why not sign the rest of their team while we are at it. Also lets sign the Dortmund team....
MU93

09 Aug 2012 16:53:30
Yeah we missed out on Moura... but I believe we did the right thing by not paying huge amount for agent fee.
If we had paid that I believe every agent would play hardball with us for most of our future transfers unless the player is really really keen to move to us

On the other hand, I think this transfer has really made Neymar's transfer more difficult and interesting... who will be able to afford him now
For sure, santos will demand close to 100m or even more


Credit should go to Liverpool for these huge transfer fees nowadays...

All the players who went for record breaking fee are all really quality players... kaka, ronaldo, zidane, ferdinand to us, berbatov, rooney, zlatan, etc... Whether they succeeded or not is another issue but remember they all are top quality players...

But it still amaze me why Liverpool paid 35m for Andy Carroll... maybe this particular transfer has increased the value of every talent in the world... But I feel pity for Andy Carroll as he did nothing wrong in this transfer

09 Aug 2012 15:32:40
Lucas Moura: "If i don't move to Manchester United it is not my fault, Manchester United are not willing to pay my agent £6mil on top of the move but PSG are willing to pay the £6mil top. If I could choose I would choose Manchester United but my agent has directed me a move to PSG, Please do not blame me."

Is this true because it doesnt sound like something a player would say , I cant imagine it would go down to well with the PSG fans
jred

Even more reason to say we did the correct thing agents do not play football and just badly advise their clients to get rich good riddance and I do blame the player as he appointed the agent
arb

Why is it so hard to say "no, i want Utd not PSG" to an agent? Surely he could just fire him. I know he is only 19, but he cant be forced into going somewhere he doesn't want to

|Luke Chadwick's Teeth|

But isn't it upto him to choose? The agent is supposed to worrk for him, not him work for the agent. If he was that bothered tell the agent to do as he's told, o sorry what was that cheque you just waved at me?

Arb, it's about the agents getting rich, not the player. Lucas is Ribeiro's cash cow. An agent is meant to do what's best for the player, but too many agents are thinking of themselves more.

It's done and dusted now lads so lets move on.

Sydney!

09 Aug 2012 15:16:36
Right it's just a thought...

When watching the match last night, I know it's not their job but Vidic and Ferdinand at the back really struggled at times to play the ball out unless they gave it to Scholes to work his magic (perfectly acceptable.

Obviously for most games I would play our strongest defence with Vidic and Ferdinand, But against the lesser teams in the league e.g.Reading,Swansea at home when the defence will not have to do a lot of work, What would you say to playing Carrick alongside Vidic or Ferdinand, very capable of filling in and doing a good job defensively but on the ball he would have loads of time to pick out a pass and set the game up from the back.

I know he isn't in the same class as Javi Martinez but he does it for Bilbao and he ran the show against us and because he was at centre back we couldn't get to him quick enough. Carrick would be able to pick a pass that the natural centre backs couldn't.

I know it's unlikely but Sir Alex after the game expressed how well he thinks Carrick plays when filling in at centre half

RedKnight

Rio is one of the best Center backs in the world for picking out a pass, but I do see
Where you are coming from.
ShaunMUFC

Or we buy Martinez. vastly improve our mid-filed and then try this out with martinez next to vidic......

I'd love Martinez but this suggestion of him improving our team at every available moment is getting ridiculous. Our team would probably be better if we built a time machine and transported loads of old greats back and signed them. That's a stupid statement and so is the Martinez one, he's not coming, he's made no inclination that he wants to come anywhere near us and why sign spanish players? They just want to go home. Same goes for Isco. Leave them. It'll switch round soon anyway because they wont be able to provide them with the financial rewards they want; lets see how patriotic they are when they're on half wages.

09 Aug 2012 14:33:23
thought we played quite well against barca yesterday, Valencia and evra did terrific. IMO Valencia will play right back in some of the 'lesser' games. this is the team id start against everton
� � � � � � � � � �DDG
Rafael � Ferdy � �Vidic �Evra
� � � � � Scholes �Cleverly
Valencia � � Rooney � �Nani
� � � � � � � � � �RVP

obviously kagawa will play at least 20 minutes, not sure he will start though. I rate him very highly.
wouldnt play Ashley young over Nani, obviously Anderson and Carrick will challenge the starting 11 as well as hopefully a new signing.
defence fairly obvious, maybe Carrick to replace vidic with 20 to go.
banter please ed

That would be a very good team, I would like to see Kagawa get a bit more than 20 mins though as I feel he has so much to offer and to be honest I think the team would be better with Kagawa behind Rooney.

Ideally we would switch our attentions back to Modric now or even Martinez in place of Scholes or beside him I dont mind.

1redarmy

09 Aug 2012 14:04:04
Well i posted a last week that utd would not sign lucas moura or RvP and people disagreed as i said they was smokescreens and man utd will not make any more signings this summer. Ed also disagreed but with arsenal unwilling to do business we will not get rvp either. our summer signings are done and dusted kagawa/powell only ins as for a left back we will look for youngsters to step up in the cups when evra needs a rest. no baines deal will be done believe what you want but its a fact

Why would we not buy anyone now when we have been trying to buy all summer? The funds are clearly there so I am pretty certain they will use them.

Rvp will come, even if it's deadline day.

GDS

And I agreed last time too. Waste of time.

Give a name so I can shut you up in public when you are proven to be incorrect
ARB

Well no name,
You no nothing, Sao paulo agreed fee contract written up just needed signing, United have no control if PSG arrive last minute with a stupid offer and the lads head gets turned.
United are seriously trying to bring in more players, have some faith.
PSY

We were very very close to signing Moura, the contract was made and it was a last minute move by PSG that thwarted us. So how was it a smokescreen?

A smokescreen is where we say we're going for one player when secretly we're in for another, not we say we're trying to sign a player and then do exactly that.

Red Joe

09 Aug 2012 13:49:09
I wish every player would take a leaf out of Antonio Valencias book and sack their agents who are ruining the beautiful game, there's no denying that.

09 Aug 2012 13:28:49
I still think we will sign 2 more players. Don't get me wrong I'm not a lover of the glazers but I think there right not paying mouras agent �9m. This is the latest thing with these south American players and different people owning a % of the. There just ripping off the euro teams that are stupid enough to pay them. I'd rather give some of the youth players a chance than some 19yr old,who will cost psg �100m over his contract. Half the people on this site didn't have a clue who he was until last wk. we have signed a brilliant player in kakawa and have vidic and fletcher back plus clevs and Anderson so I'm happy to go with that.

Quite agree don't screw the club just for some greedy buggers wages, if they want to play for Utd they will work with the wage structure etc

Pardoe

Seriously, we have Vidic and Fletcher back. What are they really going to do? This team is poor comparing to previous ones and while yeah the transfer market is messed up we really cant attract the best no more, we cant even keep our kids! So a) Pay the prices or b) Get left behind and keep paying your millions to the Glaziers.

You Glazer loving git ;)

You aren't allowed to be positive on here without that being said so thought I would get it in early lol.

I agree, but I still think we need 1 or 2 players. Still think Baines is a possibility, just a shame clubs now know we have 30 mill+ to spend.

GDS

I think you will find Vidic will do wonders for us. Do you think we will concede as many with him at the back?

1redarmy

Reports in brazil say the agent got no were near that.
reportedly it was 30 mill club 9 mill player as he owned 30% of his contract 4mill agent and family, all in euros
jred

Fletcher is miles away from being back
ARB

"what will vidic and fletch do " are you for real. Vidic is prob one of the best centre halves in the world. I bet you everton wouldn't have scored 4 again us and that was the match that cost us. Plus fletch is one of the best at breaking up play and making sure we don't bullied in midfield. The reason we didn't hold on to pogba is another greedy agent and we got rid of fryers and Morrison. And I think west ham are sick they took him.

GDS

Nice one - well said mate!

Mr Q

The agent received £6m and that was on top of the transfer fee. According to Paulo Freitas Sky's Brazilian correspondent, the fee was 43m euros. Wages are £250k a week. He says the amount of cash is ridiculous. He personally valued him at around 25m euros.

I am sure Ed002 will give us some accurate numbers when he is available.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - They met the criteria set by SP. It is complex were the money has gone. Perhaps over the weekend it will become a little clearer.}

Again we got more deluded people, will you stop thinking we are an elite club with superstars. Its only for fergie has this club done what its done and Vidic and Fletcher won't make a big difference.

Take your head out of the clouds, we got a good team and thats it, we ain't great. Fletcher has passed it and Vidic has had a long lay off with maybe 1-2 ok seasons left in him.

09 Aug 2012 13:20:04
If Real Madrid has offered 30 mil then Man United should go for 35 mil to get Modric.That is the only problem we have a Team.No mistake should be done by Sir Alex to sell Nani.We all saw how superb and in control He can be when playing with Big teams.

09 Aug 2012 12:59:15
Hazard - fee agreed and likely to join us before Chelsea won Champs League

Moura - fee agreed and by all accounts a medical scheduled then PSG gazzump us

Modric - prob £10m difference in valuation with Spurs so never a go-er inspite of his seemingly perfect fit for us and Fergie's long-time admiration of the player

Van Persie - prob £5m difference in valuation with Arsenal and increasingly feeling this will be another big fish we fail to land.

Last year we had similar tale with Sneijder, Nasri etc.

Our record of trying to land £20m+ players has always been questionable but this weakspot just seems to get worse and worse.

We simply can not profess to be the biggest club in the world if we cant attract star quality and thats what we need to address. I dont always think its down to money either. I think we have an attitude problem when it comes to signing players, i.e. bid £5m+ less than what they are obviously worth as they will want to come to United anyway!

I dont know how we fix it but seems to me we lack the s*** hot negotiators that other teams have.

Real always seem to get there man. Barca dont seem to struggle. Chelsea and City are outpowering us now in terms of attracting bigger names. Shocking!


Halesini

The problem is a combination of things, less funds for transfers than City, Real, PSG, etc, not prepared to pay as high wages, and of course the rise of agent power. But the fundamental thing we are doing wrong is chasing the wrong type of players.

Players like Hazard, Moura, Aguero, Nasri etc are always going to follow the money. And their clubs are always going to hold out until the big cash arrives. Fergie needs to realise that 9 out of 10 times these guys are going to go for silly money. He seems to be constantly surprised when City, Chelsea and now PSG pay up a shed load of money for young lads, but this is the way the top end of the market has worked for the last number of years.

As a club we need to acknowledge that we can't compete for players like Moura. Their clubs will always hold out for a huge offer and let's face it there are enough clubs out there who will put up these offers. We need a strategy that focuses our attention on more achievable targets. We need to accept that we are no longer a heavy hitter in the market, and focus our energy on targets we can afford.

Danny Pughnited

In all fairness to aguero he took a pay cut to join city with lucas i always thought that his agent would be in the way of the transfer for example PSG got the dea done within a couple of days and we spent weeks taking to sao paulo and his agent cause they always wanted it there way keep until the brazil league is over to jan and even more money

Aguero is on close to £300k a week at City so don't talk bobbins lad. The Moura deal was all about the cash, whoever met the agent's demands got the players. Simple really.

Sydney!

Aguero did not take a pay cut to join City. He is their highest paid player and the reason that no other club would touch him last summer was because of his wage demands.

Danny Pughnited

09 Aug 2012 12:53:03
First time poster...

Watching the game last night and we continue to play 4-4-2. I know he got Welbeck/Rooney to drop in and help and the same with Kagawa but I really think a change of shape is needed if we want to beat the top teams in Europe this coming season.

I know it's all talk at the minute but lets just say IF van persie came to the club this summer do you think this could allow us to play 4-3-3 this season. This would maybe mean playing Rooney wide left or not in at all but I fell when we play the shape he get's isolated and isn't the best at holding the play up. When you look at Van Persie he does it week in week out at Arsenal and he would be devastating with Rooney but also would be great in the new shapes teams are starting to play more frequently with one striker.

P.S also feel Welbeck could do this job aswell as he did for 20 minutes of the second half last night before he made way.

RedKnight

Not sure if we watched the same game, 2nd half especially we played a 4-2-3-1 formation.

GDS

Well if we are getting deep in to it... We played 4-5-1 defending and 4-4-2 attacking... But what I mean is having people like Carrick,Anderson,Scholes in the midfield but we need someone who is prepared to sit and do what Busquests does for Barcelona

fearny

09 Aug 2012 12:38:31
This site should come with a health warning. There's so much negativity from some people (no names) anyone of a nervous disposition could easily have a breakdown!

We may sign RVP and/or others, we may not. Just wait until the end of the month to come out with the Fergie's lost it/ we have no money/ it's all an attempt to please the fans and we have no real intent to sign the big players drivel. If we do sign RVP for example, a lot of people on here are going to look very, very silly. I'm not saying we are going to sign him or anyone else, I'm just saying stop being doomsayers, have some patience and wait and see!

SK

Problem is we have established a somewhat dubious record now of consistently failing to get our man.

That's what folks are understandably concerned about. Come 20th August though we will revert to In Fergie We Trust mode I'm sure.

Besides if we can't share opinions, negative and positive on here then it becomes a tad less interactive and interesting in itself!

Better we moan on here than at the wife.

Then again ....


Halesini

SK

You're dead right about the gloomsters, if we sign RVP then he's too old, injury prone and a major risk - if we don't sign him we have no ambition or money - you can't win with the miserable b*****s.

Mr Q

09 Aug 2012 12:26:16
reports after the olympics senegalese striker Moussa Konate has been heavily enquired including us, anyone know any more of this. He plays for Maccabi Haifa

Sanshine

West Ham have reportedly had a bid of around £2million accepted today... Interest from Man Utd,Man City also but West Ham are the only team with a concrete offer

RedKnight

09 Aug 2012 12:18:02
Ed004 i think u got me wrong. Barca build thr team around messi. yes whn he has a bad day xavi or iniesta step up. wat i jst meant was kagawa can bring the X factor to our team. n yes whn he has a bad day rooney, wil step up, n i dare say...may be Persie???
our game would be more beautiful if we played to his strength's, this lad has the vision n as yesterday showed suprising strength to hold of defenders.
wanna c him slippin past yaya once n i'l die in peace!! wat say eds?? {Ed004's Note - I agree with your point about Yaya and I keep wondering whether signing Witsel would deal with Yaya's physical presence. Also the signing of Witsel would allow Anderson to express himself like when he played with Hargreaves}

09 Aug 2012 12:01:50
I cant wait for deadline day, I think there will be so many dealings going on and I think this is the day we would see RVP join us.

Arsene is going to play hardball for as long as possible but surely he cant hold on forever as RVP will be able to walk for free next summer. They would be crazy to turn down £20m!

I also think we will all get a nice suprise in the shape of a class midfielder who may well be Modric. Real seem to have turned their attentions, we have missed out on Moura so we have money and Modric will surely have enough player power to force a move even if Levy is being fustratingly stubborn.

Deadline day Modric and RVP anyone? I still think RVP is a gamble though...

1redarmy

I think we have RVP on board, but still yet to agree a deal with Arsenal. I think we are playing hardball, perhaps offered around £15m.

Sydney!

How many times has playing hardball in recent years worked? Just pay the club what he is worth. EPL leading goal scorer, consistant scorer, and best player at the club by a mile IMO. He is easily worth 25. We were going to shell out 30 mil for an unproven 19 year old trickster. We had no problem shelling out 30 mil for Berbatov in 08/09, and RvP is twice the player Berba is. At 29, give the man a three or four year contract, he'll score and assist and help us to title no. 20, 21 and maybe even a champions league trophy.

----------De Gea----------
-Rafa-Smalls-Vida-Evra-
-----Carrick-Clevs--------
-Tony-----Kags-----RvP-
---------Rooney---------

I don't think he would be wasted out left, as he can play up top, in the hole, and out left. Rotate Nani, Young, Welbeck, and Chica in the attacking front 5 and i think we will be able to not only cope with the various cups and competitions, but win multiple.

Cheers,
Sparty On

"I think we are playing hardball, perhaps offered around £15m. Sydney! "

I think you're right, that's exactly why its stalling... arsenal won't want to sell him cheap, apart from anything they will want to 'justify' it, to keep the fans happy with as much as they can get.

Whether they would risk letting rvp walk for free next summer, I doubt it- but they are not short of money (tight fisted though) and only paid just over 2mil for rvp... so we're see.

We play hard ball and spend 3 week trying to get RVP for as cheap as pos only for city to sell dzeko and give arsenal exactly what they want.
i hope that doesn't happen but i dont think it would surprise anyone
jred

Jred, that's why I think we have RVP on board as we would be playing a dangerous game if he was open to moving elsewhere. I genuinely believe we have had him on board all along, convincing Arsenal to sell for under £20m will be difficult, but only achievable if RVP is on board and fully committed to joining us.

Sydney!

09 Aug 2012 11:53:36
Any updates on Nuri Sahin and Isco??

09 Aug 2012 11:35:00
It stands to right what a lot of us have been saying, don't believe anything until you see a new player in a United shirt stood next to Gill. All that was left to do for Lucas was sign, and then PSG snatched him and his agent away. I for one am not too dissapointed as I don't think he will be an improvement (initially at least). As for RVP, I hope we keep hitting snags and he ultimatly doesn't arrive as putting the money into a midfielder and left back would be of far better value for the team.

RedDevil19

09 Aug 2012 11:10:51
Van Persie has told Wenger in the meeting they had that if they don't allow him to go to United that he will hand in a formal transfer request, also united have told Arsenal they won't stand in the way of there bid to sign Sahin on loan. As for Berbatov he will sign for Zenit in a deal worth around £8m as soon as this weekend.

ericslovechild.

Haha what were they wearing in the meeting, seeing u were obviously in there too...mong

09 Aug 2012 10:48:59
According to most of the papers this morning and taking into considerations Fergie's comments last night things haven't really progressed on the RVP front - We are extremely interested but Arsenal are unwilling to budge.

They are willing to let him go for 20m to other other team but want 25m for us - this is the problem United always have, as soon as we have an interest the value of a player goes up 5-10m just because its us.

I for one want RVP at the club as i believe he will improve our team - Rooney and RVP front line would be brilliant IMO

The next step i believe is in RVP's hands, if he wants to join he should come on and demand the transfer and put the pressure on Arsenal if not i can see this going all the way down to August 31st.

I wonder how long fergie will wait for his man? The lucas transfer saga is now over so are the funds there to use for the Van Persie transfer or someone else?

Interesting times ahead.

Giants14

09 Aug 2012 10:21:29
A question for Any of the edds,
Do you think it strange that In SAFs RVP statement he had a dig at arsenal and the way they are dealing with utds interest do you think it is wise to be taking shots at a club that is already reluctant to sell to us or do you think it is one of his tactics ? {Ed004's Note - It is definitely tactics and we will see if they work by the 31st of August or possibly sooner}

09 Aug 2012 09:48:22
Our INS this window are not what we expect or expected but definately we will be bringing in 3-4 more players according to SAF.......,so expect us to meet Arsenal's asking price of £25m for Van Persie as we had bid £20m initially which the Gunners are saying add £5; extra......,so it will be (1) Robin Van Persie £25m ,(2) Bryan Oviedo/Neil Taylor £5m and (3) Ganso/Eriksen/Moutinho £25m and the fourth will depend on whether Nani stays or leaves (4) James Rodriguez(£25m)/Isco(£16m)

09 Aug 2012 09:40:44
We will either end up with RVP or nothing because we have spent a full summer chasing players like Modric and Moura.
We were never going to meet the asking prices for these players so why bother.
I don't even know why he tried to sign Moura if im honest we don't need wide players.
Fergie has completely missed the boat here, we need central midfielders and should of been concentrating on the likes of Moutinho, strootman, Witsel etc.
I can't see us signing anyone else, maybe RVP so once again Paul Scholes will play a 30 games season and Ryan Giggs will get more games than he should do and drive me insane with his sh*te passing!
Anderson will be injured as usual, Flether may not come back again because of his condition.
This leaves us with Cleverley who is injury prone and has proved absolutely nothing at premiership level and Micheal Carrick who is now just a setady player who does a good job at best.
Really dissapointed!

Simmo

09 Aug 2012 09:30:16
this is from a reliable source close to RVP,
RVP is going to stay with arsenal and sign a 3 year contract in next week. He has no problem staying with arsenal as long as he sees quality improvment in the statring 11 not talented kids.. he has held the club to ransom for their own good and wenger has respected his view by adding experience quality. They are working on 2 more signings in defence area. so he is happy now and will perform u turn. rooney has same things in mind a year ago but he has been fooled in my eyes accuratly by utd board. and we are also witnessing that after a dreadful season, ( dont come with lost on goal difference stuff, talk abt performances in UCL, europa league, even league cup and fa cup) we as well as some concern squad members are being fooled by wasting time on some heavy signings which we knew we wont finalise due to some unacceptable demands( which other clubs are capable to meet). lucky to snap up kagawa for just 17m but its player who want to come in because of united' s huge image in his home country. he is star there now ( player himself have admited this a while ago). in honesty ,every fool nd wise who support united worlcd wide knows the problem area and where are we trying to get " STARS " ? my dear fellow poster sydney and lot others crying to see LB position sorted as well as some steal in midfield with creativity factor.. but we are killing time so SAF can say ( on glazer behalf ofcourse) deal are hard to complete in this days market. ( i smell new line for "value in the market")
let me make myself clear, i m not crying for a multi million signing. but i want proper attention to our problem area doesnt mater if answer is 8m to 10 m signings. ( he should get chance also above our jam legged oldies to prove not odd appearance, why i am saying this is we are not buying proven top class as " market is crazy" than we must trust youth system more or scouting system more as its only way to get player on cheap with quality, i dont fire pogba for leaving.. he never got proper chance)
last thing RVP will not join and Fergie has no other planings either. as soon as season starts and couple of fine games and only we will say who needs this and that. i have witnessed this last summer in case of snijder. AND our board wants this only.. and our respected SAF is helping them dont know willingly or unwillingly.

please post this ed..i know its long but its mine after a long quite time just watching whats happening..

rodio17

Says who!?

09 Aug 2012 09:17:10
We’ve seen it all this morning (or last night) and it is looking more likely.

As I said with the Podolski shirt number yesterday and with Fergie’s comments, this morning I’ve heard a little more. Supposedly the medical has been done in Germany with Arsenals consent. RvP’s representatives have discussed and agreed terms with Arsenals consent. We have an unconditional bid sat there for £15m which hasn’t been rejected.

So it’s a case of who trembles first. SAF knows AW has to sell (no point getting nothing for a player!) and thinks £15m is a fair price (to which I agree…I would even go to £18m…£20m at an extreme push). AW is pumping faxes out to every club saying “Come buy RvP for £15m outside the EPL” but his agent is saying “Sorry, he wants to go to Utd”. If this doesn’t go to deadline day, I would be as surprised as I wouldn’t now…expect something before the start of the season!

I for one would like to see that as a starting line up! Young and Toni feeding balls into Roo and RvP? Ouch!

SB.

Why would the medical b done already when the fee hasnt even been agreed? Arsenal dont have to sell, if they keep rvp they have a chance of winning trophies with their new signings, so they can get money from winnings trophies.

I think this is exactly what is happening, I think we have had RVP on board for months. Going back to SAF saying that he nearly bought him when he was at Feyenoord. I think he as agreed terms with us and we have offered around £15m and we will see who breaks first. If we have RVP fully committed to us, then we will get him cheap because Arsenal will not give up £15m.

Ed002, do you have any info on this? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

09 Aug 2012 08:32:28
Crikey there are some doom merchants on here. Clearly, SAF is still,looking to strengthen - Moura was a target, RVP still is. However...DDG has a solid year under his belt and will be even better, Vidic is back having missed most of the season, Kagawa is proven class in a strong league, Powell is a very bright prospect, Scholes may only play 20 games but he's an option from day 1 this year, and we have a few youngsters ready and hungry for a chance. There's players I don't rate (Young, Hernandez) but everyone has their favourites and irritants. 1 or 2 more quality signings and we are good to go.

09 Aug 2012 08:13:54
Lucas Moura: "If i don't move to Manchester
United it is not my fault, Manchester United are
not willing to pay my agent 6 million pounds on
top of the move...but PSG are willing to pay the 6
million on top if i could choose i would choose
Manchester United but my agent has directed me
a move to PSG, Please do not blame me."


RamoN 19

Agent power.

Ribeiro admitted we were close to agreeing a deal, so obviously he had caved just before PSG came in. Whether it's the Glazers or the manager, our club do not like paying greedy agents. This stubbornness needed to be put on hold til next season.

Sydney!

Last time i checked, the player was the agent's boss, not the other way around.

Ste-Utd

09 Aug 2012 06:31:31
Well there we have it boys and girls. No more signings like I said. Moura,s people were always going to follow the most money and RVP will be joining Citeh (arsenal are talking to other clubs, exactly the same line he used last year with Nasri). Let's stop kidding ourselves, it's all about who is going to pay the most. Van Persie or Moura had no burning ambition to join us, the only world class person I know who has that at the minute is Usian Bolt.

Talk to anybody out there the only 2 players of ours they would want is Vidic and Rooney. We as the real fans are going to have to get behind our club and the players who cross the White line. The plus at the moment is we have not been made weaker over the summer and we are stronger for next year with return of Vidic.

Mike the Moston Red

Don't start moaning about signings yet, at least wait till the end of the transfer window

09 Aug 2012 06:26:06
anyone else think we need a winger to replace young? i think nani needs to sign a new contract and someone like gaitan or isco to play on the left, also witsel would be ideal for the big games but not at stupid money, anybody no a reason why we didnt try and sign him when he left leige he couldnt of improved that much in 1 season!

09 Aug 2012 01:14:32
Also, PSG can't even fill their own stadium. They have no support overseas. The French League makes little in comparison to the big 3-4. SO my question is how are they in compliance with the FFP rules? They're spending like City and earning like Leeds. -KG

Because action cannot be taken until 2014/15 at the earliest. They are obviously investing in top talent to increase other revenue streams so they can break even by 2015. But to attract top players they have to pay very high transfer & agent fees and pay obscene wages. Otherwise they cannot attract the players. Ibrahimovic is on something like £17m a season. No self sufficient club can compete with this.

Sydney!

Syd, there's no way PSG get to United/Real/Barca revenues within that time frame. So eventually either FFP will fall on their heads or it will be shown to be a weak regulation with no teeth. -KG

08 Aug 2012 23:39:28
Manager Sir Alex Ferguson says Manchester United's attempts to sign striker Robin van Persie from Arsenal have stalled.

Manchester United's pursuit of Lucas Moura is over after the 19-year-old Brazilian agreed a four-and-a-half year deal with Paris Saint Germain.

Another summer of weak attempts at signing top players....wonder what the excuse's are this time!!

Would prefer to see a top-class CM brought in anyway but doesnt look like it will happen...still a few weeks of hope left!!

Joe the Plumber.

He said talks were ongoing mate

Caolán.

The thing is with moura and SVP united could have made 250m from winning the league three times and CL once in next 5 years. Add all the merchandise sales and 80 m for moura when Real come calling in five years and you see why we SHOULD be paying for these players.

Are you looking for excuse?? well he said, market now a days is mad..
think what u can about this
rodio17

08 Aug 2012 23:29:41
"Moon how many times have you seen powell play CM ? Lucas looks a good prospect , hazard isa fantastic player jred" - agreed Hazard and Lucas are both good players as i stated. on to Powell, i've never seen him sit in cm, what i have seen however is him pick the ball up deep in his own half for Crewe and run through some big, strong players before creating a chance, so on that basis i believe he can and will do very well in a box 2 box role. very similar to how Ramires plays now just twice the size and slightly slower. Also, i'm pleasantly suprised with the positivity on my original post, wasn't expecting that. enjoy the rest of your week guys, The Moon.

08 Aug 2012 23:13:33
A target i have not really seen mentioned but thought i would put it out there to see what people thought.... Krasic was looking to leave juve in january and when he was at cska he played really well against us and probably could be bought for around £15m

Off to galatasaray...

PRATEEK

I think he's already been transferred to some team from Turkey.

Devil for Life

08 Aug 2012 21:57:30
Ed002; Few reports coming out stating that RM are finalising a deal for Witsel, any idea where this leaves Modric, surely they won't be signing both?

Also, would be brilliant if you had any further news on transfer possibilities besides RvP.

Thanks,

rpc {Ed002's Note - You are right that they won't get both.}

Also, I heard that RM were only willing to go to £24m, not the £30m being reported in the media. If true then surely United could be in with a good shout still.

Sydney!

Good morning Ed, do you think there is a chance RM will pull out of the Modric hunt? Also isn't it impossible now for PSG to sign him due to their quota? Could United be keeping a close eye on the situation? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - If they cannot agree a price - sure.}