Manchester United Banter Archive August 09 2013

09 Aug 2013 22:18:19
Great fitness of the team and excellent football even after playing last night Europa league.

On the other hand Manchester United was.

I will make any judgement about moyes's tactics, player fitness etc after Sunday's game. Even today he was giving match time to the likes of Valencia and Kagawa and giving opportunities to some youngsters. Having said that central midfield needs some reinforcements not only in quality but also quantity. God forbid Carrick gets an injury we will be screwed! Januzaj cannot be the answer right now for our midfield.

You might be right about having a full team, but surely tactics should have been something that was worked on in pre season tour?
But I can't see any change of tactics. We are still vulnerable to counters. And still playing the old style.
Nomidfield

09 Aug 2013 21:58:13
ive held back from saying anything on januzaj as I don't think we should put to much pressure on him but his age doesn't matter, he looks the most technically gifted player we have, makes the game look so easy, some of our 1st team players could learn a thing or 2 from him cough cough cleverly. on another note, kondogbia looked a great player, very impressed.

phil

09 Aug 2013 21:47:48
After this pre season it's clear that its the defence we need to look at adding to as well as the central positions. We have leaked goals all season. And if the rumours are true and Rooney goes we are going to need to strengthen there too. Now my opinion for what it's worth is the following. After the obvious lira about Ronaldo coming back. Ibra from PSG seems an easier signing due to his dispute with the Hiarachy there. Also as the legendary Great Dane between the sticks said he is made to play for united. As for central midfield I think the only signing in reality there is going to be fellani. let's be honest. We are not going to sign any world beaters. Moyes is renowned for his "Sucsess" on a show string budget and that coupled with the glazers apparent greed tells me that very little money is going to spent. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm honest. We could be in real trouble this season. Yes this team won the championship. But a lot of that was down to the tactics and presence of SAF. that's all changed now and the big clubs in the league are adding real quality.

09 Aug 2013 21:37:44
To be honest I hope the interest in Kongbodia is true, I would happily invite him to our weak midfield, would give Carrick that strong partner he has needed in a while.

Great to see Januzaj and Zaha play well too, hopefully both will have some kind of impact next season.

He isn't a patch on Fellaini at this time we need someone now

09 Aug 2013 21:36:23
That game proves are midfield is awfull

Anderson and cleverly are shocking

We need strengthening
SPB

Both Anderson and Cleverly are playing at the wrong level - mid table team players

09 Aug 2013 21:32:45
Anyone getting worried yet? Top 4 credentials? Moysie looks lost. need new signings. Can't see this lot winning anything. laughing stock.

Still plenty of time till window closes give the bloke a chance he hasn't even had a full team to put out yet

This is an example of being overly pessimistic. There are real concerns, but let's not freak out. Let's also not ignore the problems however.

You cannot blame Moyes, he has NO experience managing at this level.

Blame the club/Fergie.

For any job, the requirements are identified and candidates must fit that criteria. There was only one requirement: protect the Ferguson legacy.

If we had recruited a top manager with European and trophy winning experience, then a considerable number of players here would have been sold

Haven't we had 11 players on the park for all the games?

Isn't that a full team?

09 Aug 2013 21:30:06
Rio's Testimonial tonight.
Positives - Butner surprised me as not his biggest fan. Januzaj was absolutely brilliant. This boy has to get plenty of game time this season. don't agree with those who say too much too young. Anderson looked good running at the defence. Still looks like he could drop a few pounds though. Phil Jones looked strong in the middle when he came on and Zaha looked sharp.
Negatives - Cleverly looked one dimensional which disappointed me as I fancied him to do well at the start of last season. Valencia did not look fit. Smalling still does not convince me and his positioning is awful. Kagawa had an absolute mare and really needs to sort his life out.

09 Aug 2013 21:17:05
Januzaj looks to be the real deal. I hope he gets game time this year instead of the dreadful and predicatable Young.

09 Aug 2013 20:55:51
If you'd have asked me two weeks ago I would have said ronaldo signature at half time for the surprise.
But after the last 24 hrs I guess an interview with boris Becker and dynamo was to be expected.
Another massive let down of the summer

That's all you were expecting?

I was expecting Rio to levitate and a hologram of Best playing off the left wing!

And Cantona to come on and score a hatrick and also announce he is coming back after taking a 'Be-Young-Again potion'

Oh well.

09 Aug 2013 20:24:18
The final piss take, Ferdinands testimonial is on BT Sport! Well you can shove my Mutv subscription up Paddy Crerands arse.The Glazers greed knows no limits

You not missing much, well apart knowing how bad our team is!

Come on lads it's a testimonial and a great chance to see the youngsters play. Wigan on Sunday is where the season begins.

09 Aug 2013 20:01:25
Maybe we need to focus on also getting a CB. Wow, our defense is conceding like crazy this preseason.

09 Aug 2013 19:23:34
What channel is the community shield on on sunday

Cheers

Really

Ross

Itv I think

09 Aug 2013 18:46:41
Ronaldo, Cesc, Thiago, Guaray, Baines, Marchisio, Fellaini. My United has signed quality rumours.

09 Aug 2013 18:07:00
Took some of your guys advice and decided to stick around, but once I have a glimpse of negativity I'll stop reading for the day. Everyone needs to remember that we are Manchester United! The most passionate football club in the world and maybe ever. We have one of the largest fan bases and never have problems with money (Other than the scummy glazers debt). All I am saying is calm down! We have missed out on plenty of 'big' players and we always seem to be up there in the top 3. Some of the fans are making us look like a laughing stock right now. Just sit back and appreciate what we already have.

Anyway onto something good, Rio Ferdinand testimonial. Fully deserves it and it's crazy to think we brought him over a decade ago for £30 Million! I wonder how much the young Rio would cost nowadays? £50-£60 Million? Absolute class defenders and we won't see many more like the man.

Will be great to see the team play again tonight, missed the last two pre-season games.

Have a good weekend guys!

Oh apart from the Glazers well that's ok then Weggy.

as for Rio are you counting the season he missed for avoiding a drugs test and then demanded a pay rise whilst talking to Peter Kenyon who at the time was at Chelsea

KLOOT

Fans have a short memory. Like it or not. The same people who call for Rooney's head, forget a few things that have happened. Anyways, I have nothing against Rio, gave it his everything whilst on the pitch. Nothing else matters for me. I hope people understand my stance on Rooney.

Deeps.

KLOOT I didn't say it was 'ok' I have said we need to start looking at the positives, the negativity on this page is unbearable at times, as you have shown by your comments.

Rio may have had some issues off the pitch, but on the pitch he has given his all and been a excellent servant to our club. that's all that matters to me!

09 Aug 2013 16:26:14
This is justnan opinion but Just feel something's happening we don, t know about, I find it hard to believe Woodward only returned from Oz to handle the Fabregas saga. (or the mess that it has become) whatever though, the negative posts are doing no one any favours except make us Utd supporters seem like a bunch of spoilt Fifa dreaming brats. Time to inject a little excitement and positivity into the mix I think. It's the start of a new season, Thank God for that, no more Cricket! No more sat at home on a weekend when I could be at the match watching United. A privalidge that not everyone can do. So come on guys, get a bloody grip.

09 Aug 2013 15:30:11
Considering we are still trying to get midfielders in, and not getting sucess. I really really wish full recovery for darren fletcher and do his midfield general duties like he used to do 3 seasons ago.
Common lad. I m counting on u.

Rodio17

You couldn't make it up could you.

09 Aug 2013 13:43:41
There is absolutely no need to panic over missing out on our prime targets.
SAF would have thought something before deciding to pass on his throne to DM, we need to give him some time.
Still have 25 days left and in my opinion Fellaini will be a great signing. Apart from this I am very much Sure
that youngsters will be a helping hand this year in winning title #21. we have seen glimpse of brilliance
from all our 4 young talents Zaha, powell, Lingard and Januzaj they can be MOYSE's MARVEL's as someone earlier said.


PRIYA_DEVIL_UTD

You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that the current squad plus Fellaini will win the Premiership.
Add to the fact that we will loose Rooney and Fergie isn't there this year.
3rd or 4th at best unless 2-3 major signings come in and we keep hold of Rooney which I think is a must.

Simmo

Simmo

of course this current squad can win the league again this year chelsea have not improve their starting 11 not all, city have improved by signing navas but the forwards they signed they are not better than tevez and balotelli.

with us if we lose rooney yeah we lose a great player but let's me remind people we already have the replacement for rooney he's called kagawa in his last season with dortmund he got 17 goals and 10 assists plus he's going to be allot better for us this year and with are wingers actually doing something this year just maybe we can add more goals.

For people not thinking fellaini is not the right player he's what we really need some one who is strong, good with the ball at his feet, tackle, and win header box to box midfielder and before all of this moyes becoming are manager he talked about were he want to play fellaini and he wanted to play as box to box midfielder at everton

yeah fellaini may also have some issues with yellow cards and getting send off but I think I remember a player who was like I think his name was roy keane.

rant over about depression fans think we can't compete for the league

Manutd4life

Simmo

You have to be one of the most pessemistic supporters I have ever met.

You act all spoilt in which in fairness we have been for the last 20 years at least.

At the end of the day if we finish 3rd or 4th this year then so be it. Moyes needs time to bed in.

I will take 4th and the youth given a real chance to shine. Sometimes a risk has to be taken.

Blood the youth by dropping them into the mix on the big stage - if they buckle they'll be gone next year if they hit the ground running we could end up with at team with a number of what people are beginng to expect them to be "Moyes Marvels"

That will bring in the new era - next year other teams again will be spending millions and a number of additions where we may not need to so can spend big on the most needed position. (granted we could with that now but let's see what our youth programme can produce!)

Real Madrid and Barca could be in massive trouble in the next year or so with the possible changes to their "Community run" status so maybe we could see a spanish fire sale.

I for one am happy to take 4th for the first season of Moyes being in charge.

I would love 1st but hey who wouldn't

Tut tut tut, Simmo. I think your in cuckoo land. Our 'current squad' smashed the league last year, playing badly. This year, we have a gem in Zaha and a more settled Kagawa. Even if Rooney goes, I still believe we are the team to beat. United just seem to have more chemistry than our rivals.
I hope Rooney stays, and Anderson. And even Nani. I do believe we will add to the squad. And I also believe there will many eating humble pie.

Mr Simmo. Did u say that 18 yr old kid tonight? He was magical. Wonders don't happen overnight. Take a breath and chill


PRIYA_DEVIL_UTD

What an absolute rubbish post. And what has happened in the last 7 football matches as u call them? we have only won twice. Been ripped apart tonight. Keep making your pathetic excuses. Keep that head firmly in the sand.

09 Aug 2013 11:28:07
"I thought I would be at United for a couple of years, maybe three or four, and then go abroad somewhere. But I just fell in love with Manchester United. I fell in love with winning, fell in love with the history of the club and being part of it was something I could never have imagined"

Lets for a change say that United is still a place where players fell in love with the club.

We are United and not Chelsea, Real Madrid, Man City, PSV, or Monaco. We have values and tradition. If Fab doesn't wants to come, okay. We will surely find a way without him like we have done for so many years.

People cried when CR7 left, we continued to win. And believe me we will win again this year and I may be minority here but I only want the players who want to play for Man Utd, not some Tom, dick and Harry.

You ain't the minority mate, we're actually in thw majority league.

there are few which will just moan and cry about missing on top targets but we have to understand, there are more choices now for players to move to, the wages issue and not everyone dreams of united. but we will continue to support this great institution and continue to follow which ever players we end up with this year.

singh

If we sell Rooney and don't bring anyone in we will get nowhere near Chelsea and City. It will be a 3rd / 4th place finish which isn't good enough.

Simmo

Kind words.

Every teams in the world have values as we do. The Big difference is our history and tradition.

But don't get me wrong but todays football is not only about values and tradition or history, football involves money.

Money involves negotiation, disputes and if you have to remain on top to keep writing your history with a golden pen, my friend you have to invest and you must be able to attract great players.

I know we're looking for world class players, but I'm unsure if we're ready/wiling to take the next step to get the player we need.

We won't pay over the odds but I don't expect us to get the players to accept low wages just to play for United. You may find one here, other there, but the sport moved on and we must do the same.

09 Aug 2013 17:21:19
Simmo I remember days where fans would have flogged their granny to finish third or fourth. Talk about spoiled. MrE

Simmo, please can you elaborate on your theory of 3rd or 4th. Please tell us who will beat us to 3rd, and why?. Lol.
Get a grip lad!

09 Aug 2013 10:11:01
pps. I started on the site this time last year, and I can't honestly remember it being as bad as this

SteveK

I know what you are saying and normally had SAF been here we would be all quietly confident in the team even with no improvements in the areas we all know should be looked at and still had a moan about it but with a new manager, new chief exec, player fall outs, Rooney wanting away, Evra knowing about the Baines bid, our CM knowing our manager has said they need help etc if we were to go into the season as we are now we could (repeat could) implode drastically.

I will never turn coat on Utd as I am sure 95% on here wouldn't even if we did start to fail but there is a massive danger of this being exactly the case over the next 2 years. We knew this would be the case when SAF left and we all hoped for the big personality that would attract players and added to the pull of Utd would be hard for many players to turn from but whether or not Moyes is respected world wide or not makes little difference when trying to negotiate with a new CE aswell and everone looks and seems green to the jobs.

Its a gamble for Fabregas IMO when you consider where he is at already, there are no guarantees who else we are reinforcing with, we are a step behind his current team, new manager, new club, new move, new tactics etc etc. Allot of this applies to any new signing. Many especially in a WC year will prefer to not gamble from where they are and stick it out but where does that leave us?

I do not buy into this nonsense of he needs time to judge the squad etc. He has SAF there and has played against Utd for 11 years. He knows, as most exp prem managers do, where the weakness ly and what should be done but the problem is getting the players.

To stay competitive in this league we need top prem level players, to get players like Fab Vidal etc can pump us into the CL elite again player wise but our manager is still lacking. IMO we should be targetting top prem players like Fellaini, Cabaye and Baines plus switch out Rooney to solve any potential issues from him and start from there. We get our issues sorted first with the team overall and then look to establish the world class presence in the starting 11. IMO we should have had this plan from the beginning.

Moyes isn't stupid and will know Baines and Fellaini are available and will improve us. A player like Cabaye (read any top creative player) would give us a great core to work with and make us favourites IMO in the league. Yes they are all untested in CL but so what? So is Moyes and we are all trusting in him to lead from the front.

So what I am trying to say really is I don't agree with the mass hysteria that seems to be brewing but at the same time I won't dismiss the glaring problem that COULD just be round the corner if we don't act now! And IMO we have already waited far too long in this window already chasing the type of player that is not going to solve all our problems on his own.

Hear hear Jono

09 Aug 2013 17:28:39
Fellaini and cabaye would not be my first choice obviously but both are prem proven, an improvement on some of the squad, ambitious, and would be good signings at the right price. MrE

09 Aug 2013 08:26:20
After seeing Fabregas in press conference
i still think we haven't heared the last of this
long running saga he looked uncomfotable


REDMIST

09 Aug 2013 07:30:25
Been saying no Fabregas for a long time and that Fellaini might be the only signing for the summer. Let's not beat DM for it, it's just case that there are other top teams who are also attractive for players atm. Let's just accept it and move on. We know DM is trying to take MUFC forward and once he is settled in, we know we will attract the best players once again at some point in the future.
RumourNo. 1

09 Aug 2013 02:41:19
What we need to do is bring in the youth, forget playing like a passing team like barca, what we bar need is to bring in youth get the British feel back in and bring back the old English style of football distributing the other team from playing and hitting them hard on the counter attack, we should of kept tunniclife as he is what we need a little terrier who is not afraid to tackle but can up the pace instantly, js English football would benefit from the return of hard tackles and real men not this persons who go over from a strong breeze

rozmondo


In today's style of play that won't work. It's good that we have good young lads ready to press forward for first team games but be honest, let's say they were given the chance, how many games realistically are they going to play? Also, they lack experience therefore we need to invest in couple players with experience and far superior ability to what we have now. Ppl on here are so deluded, you'll know deep down that our team is average at best and we won the league purely based on SAF and his "squad".

This is the season we need to make a statement and a big one at that. I'm tired of people on here acting like it's all good when surely its not. DM has made a mockery since assigned manager and I have said before that his appointment is the "major signing" that was promised. Yes doom and gloom if you wanna, we have as fans every given right to question the management of the club, financially and otherwise.

We praise ourselves as being the biggest club with the biggest history in the world. Unfortunately, this modern era of footballers most of them don't play for history or club. Also unfortunate, is that they are the ones who demand high transfer fee. If we are the biggest club then we buy who the damn hell we want! We are behind and we need to catch up, no wonder Rooney wants to leave, lack of ambition? Maybe?

diego

09 Aug 2013 01:44:21
Ok so we haven't seen to many signings but I'm an optimist and endevour to keep believing, it's for that reason that I'm still excited, things can change oh so quickly. This week Fabregas next week who knows! That's why I'm still content and happy, excited in fact and until that window closes ill continue to be.

That said if it reaches Sept 2nd and no one is in the so beit ill just be glad football is back and the summer without it is over

09 Aug 2013 00:11:56
Hi just wondering was round rio s testimonial tonight and if so how did it go. Didn't hear anything in France on holiday

It's tomorow night, on MUTV and BT sport

Ronaldo walked on the pitch wearing a green and gold scarf and said he's back.

Fabregas appeared on a giant screen wearing 5 cap, and said he loves fish and chips now, and wants to join United.

We also won 43-7 with all goals for United being scored by Bebe and all Sevilla's goals being also scored by Bebe.

Rio Ferdinand said something. Couldn't understand it.

Hope this helps.

Rio's testimonial is on Friday mate.

Thank you for brightening my day GAGUS, that cracked me up ;)

Ozwald

09 Aug 2013 00:37:35
Rio Ferdinand has said that at the testimonial tomorrow, there are going to be a few surprises. Could it a major signing? Maybe Ronaldo coming home?

. Just trying to lighten the mood. It has been quite negative on this site. I am worried by a lack of players coming in as well but I have faith in the manager. I am pretty sure he will bring in 2-3 players by the end of the window. I don't think that Sir Alex (still associated with the club to an extent) will let the club go without signing anyone, because my guess is that he still has a major say at the club and obviously loves the club. Having said that, David Moyes will have the freedom to bring the players of his choice. Who-ever they may be.

Secondly, regarding the players that are at the club already. My opinion is that with the arrival of the new manager, every single one of them gets a clean slate. Including players like RvP (Best striker in the Premier League for the last two seasons) and like Anderson (Unfulfilled potential). I think that now everyone has had to prove themselves again. This has to be a good motivator for players. Also, with Sir Alex retiring and people thinking that United won't be the same, players will take upon themselves to make sure that this does not happen and that United remain the biggest club in England. This is the main difference between the two Manchester Clubs. City can buy all the talent they want but United have that mentality, that managers would kill for. That extra 20% that players are willing to give every single match, season after season. The late goals and comebacks don't happen because we're lucky, they happen because the players fight and fight till they get what they want.

So, everyone let's just remain patient and let's put our trust in the new manager and the players. This club is more than the Rooney's and the Ronaldo's. It's about winning and always coming up on top when we have doubters. They thought United were done and dusted when Chelsea won back to back league titles, they were wrong. They thought City were the new kings of England when they won the title, but they were wrong. Next season is going to be tough without the Great Sir Alex but we will still be Manchester United and we will still be the team to beat.

Not Arrogant, Just Better.
Manchester United Football Club.

Not without ''Fergie'' your not,!

Great post. I don' post often but I come on hear almost every day and this site really needs positive people like you. I think Ferdinand's surprise is going to be a little present for the people who came to the match or something, I don't believe it's about signings.

Nicolas_United

Nicolas_United.

Thank You. I know it won't be about signings coming in, I was just kidding about that. And you should post often because we need to show people that we're the best fans in the world, that we will support our club through thick and thin. And most importantly that Manchester United will never die.

08 Aug 2013 23:31:46
when ever I read message here, I ask myself that if the people that wrote these message are real united fans because most of them don't really no the trandition of united. I will tell you the secret. when transfer window open manunited will make much rumours about big signing, just like the time of snider, modric and aguaro at city but at the end will end up with people like cleverly.

How much we pay for clevs again?

"end up with people like cleverly"

Cleverly is a product of our youth system, we never ended up with him at the end of August.

Where to start with this one? Do you know the tradition of United, how lomg have ypu been following the team? Cleverley came through the ranks.

So seeing how Schneiders career as blossomed since we where linked with him proves the so called marque signings don't always come off.
Remember Cleverley whilst on loan had a great goal scoring record, he's had to change his game to suit the Utd midfield role which is possession, there is so much more to come from him, Wellbeck and Jones this season.
Dylan

08 Aug 2013 23:21:49
Ok I have like a large number of fans been getting frustrated with our transfer dealings this summer.

Here is my assessment of our summer and where it will leave us.

Our summer has so far been a disaster. Those of you saying its not are deluding yourslves. This summer we needed to make a statement. Fergie gone, till gone. New manager new chief exec. Failing midfield and the need to assert our dominance in the English game with a resurgent Chelsea under mourinho and a decent manager coming not city. We have seen our rivals strengthen well. With the exception of arsenal though spurs have done great business.

We have however dropped the ball. Ok Moyes didn't start till July but why did Woodward not meet him before hand to find out who he wanted and get the ball rolling? We have dithered and been ncertain and missed out on world class players we might have been in wi a shout of getting through lack of preparation and poor planning. Not only this the penny pinching has compounded this and hamstrung any attempts to get the players in we want.

We needed 2 midfielders most of us agree wi this with arguably only Carrick currently in the squad of the required standard and fitness. God help us if he picks up a season long injury next year. Fellani's release clause has gone and we will now I suspect have to pay well over the odds to get him. (Though unlike many here I think he would be an excellent addition) don't forget his preferred position is as a deep lying midfielder where he plays for an excellent Belgium side.

I am embarrassed at our pursuit of fabregas. 25 million are you having a laugh. We want nearly double that for Rooney. T me that just says we aren't serious. How would cesc have felt? Not like he was a priority our no1 man. Everyone is paying over the odds anyway and we need to make a statement. Why wasn't it 40 million. There barca something to seriously think about and it tells cesc how highly we rate him and how badly we want him. maybe things would have turned out differently.

Fergie is a massive loss but after our debacle of a summer I'm beginning to wonder if till isn't a bigger loss.

Red forever but currently expecting 3rd if we keep Rooney. If we don't hoping for fourth probably behnd spurs in 3rd. Don't delude yourselves. We loose Rooney we have gone backwards whilst everyone else around us has made excellent additions and pushed on.

Red bear.

Wont make top 4 with out rooney