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09 Jun 2012 23:14:00
United sign Dortmund pair for £32m.
Kagawa as we know already, now Lewandowski has agreed terms - £70k a week. Fee said to be £16m. Seems low but with this coming out a day after the Poland coach said he thinks it'll happen. Hmm dunno about you guys but if true, then i'm looking forward to next season more than ever..
Ozwald
09 Jun 2012 22:46:02
I would like to see saf to sign kelvin strooman jao moutiho thiago modric alba out carrick andersion nani park
09 Jun 2012 22:31:51
i am new to this site and i must say i absolutely f'kin love it. I know we are linked with Modric and others but after watching tonights games can anyone really tell me that sneijder isn't worth signing at least 30-40 million? I thought the guy was different class. {Ed004's Note - I thought he was very good tonight, however, I think he would cost under 20 million...}
He certainly looked good tonight - but I wouldn't expect us to base a £30m-£40m investment on one game. Stranger things have happened though. We signed Bebe on word of mouth!
Welcome to the site by the way.
T0MB0Z
Been saying this for a long time snjider is a class act and produces on the big occasion. Would b a great buy and a good replacement for scholes( eds any idea if fergie is interested?) also any idea of a price? And before we get the usual snijder was looking for too much money last year nobody knows except fergie the club and snijder himself
Damian M {Ed004's Note - I don't think we will go for him now that we got Kagawa}
Forgive me for being different but I wasnt overly impressed with him tonight. Sorry.
TK-Red
Love him or hate him, his through ball for Huntelaar with the outside of his left foot will be the pass of Euro 2012, pure quality.
Keanooh
Yes I agree TK. What match were the above posters watching? I thought he looked quite ordinary today.
FredtheRed
I don't think he done anything special. He's a world class talent and done everything that world class talents do on the bigstage. I think he's a great player but in all honestly I think there are better, younger and cheaper players available. Although I don't think Kagawa nor Hazard are one of them currently.
The Moon.
Pass of the tournament ? No way , as an ex player and hopefully future coach it was not a great ball because of the gap he wanted to lift it to reduce the chance of interception. This makes it impossible to bring down at full speed giving the keeper more time and defenders can run at full speed to pressure the shot . It was more of a show
Pass than a match winning pass. But I can see why you may think it was great. {Ed007's Note - Well done for getting so far in the game, now remember to save it before you go to beddy byes.}
Moon
who do you think are better
jred
Who do I think is better? Well it all comes down to personal opinion. Not all are available but I would say;
- jovetic
- Mata
- Silva
- Gotze
-Ozil
-Nasri
Now I know the majority of these players aren't available and probaby won't be cheaper but I think they're all better. and who says Sneijder is available anyway?
The Moon. {Ed004's Note - I really like Ozil and rate him in the the top 5 players in the world... If the reports are true and that he is unhappy and Madrid would consider 25 million euros for him I would go all out to get him before Kagawa tbh. The only player I would sign instead of Kagawa}
Ozil and silva are up there not sure about the rest if im honest
jred
09 Jun 2012 22:30:50
Despite the shock of a result tonight, Affelay looked really bright for a player that hasn't featured for club this season really. From what I understand, £7 million is enough to compensate Barcelona and he would be a great addition to any squad. What a player, plus I think he could play as a CAM in a bank of 3 which would again complement us next season if we move to 4-2-3-1. I know we have Nani, Young, Valencia but this guy is so direct. Bargain of the summer potentially?
PJ
Why would he move to Utd when he hardly gets any games at Barca and same is gonna be the case here with us as a squad player..
Shaun
09 Jun 2012 22:25:50
It's an obvious point with the Kagawa transfer and Lewandowski interest, but United and Dortmund would combine to make an incredible team. What do United need? They could use a Striker, two central midfielders, and a strong CB. I'd take Lewandowski, Goetze, Kagawa and Hummels in a heartbeat, and they all would fit into United's side. I think we'll end up with Kagawa and Lewandowski this window, and Goetze just signed a new deal, but I would love for United to maintain a good relationship with Dortmund through all of this so we have a chance at Goetze in a year or two. They won't allow him to leave this summer, but he's the best of the squad and despite the price, would be a great addition for United. If by some craziness he did become available, I'd offer 100 mil in cash and players for the four players I named. We'd have a complete and scary team....De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Hummels, Evra, Nani, Goetze, Kagawa, Young, Rooney, Lewandowski......Our bench would be able to compete for the league!
Midfield of Nani, Goetze, Kagawa, Young?
FUBAR
09 Jun 2012 22:05:27
So this is whats to come over the tournament, Motd fever.
First Lewondowski then willems now Coentrao.
hope not
Cban
All three players had been linked with us heavily for a long time before this tournament started. Any United fan with common sense knew that Willems was one for the future. Hardly MOTD fever.
TK-Red
09 Jun 2012 21:50:36
Watching Portugal Vs Germany and have to say Portugal dissapointed me.
But, have to say Nani played well when they tucked him inside to the N.10 role and gave him the free roam to go where he wanted. He seems to play well there for Portugal. Maybe its worth letting him have a go in that position in Pre-season
fearny
I wouldn't necessarily play him in the no. 10 role but I would like us to switch to a 4231 formation where Nani would be good in either wide position because he would have the freedom to come inside and interchange more than in a 442 where he has to hug the touchline. It would play more to his strengths I think
Gav
Gav you are spot on, when Nani has more freedom he plays so much better and he links up better. Gilly
09 Jun 2012 21:38:12
Is there any interest in Fábio CoentrĂ£o not really a regular in the madrid team? And is there genuine interset in cabaye would be a great signing rather have him than modric
Real have both Marcelo and Coentrao. Both are relatively young. I doubt they'd be interested, but I would love Coentrao to replace Evra. KG
Coentrao cost Real a considerable sum just last summer so really cant see him leaving. He's a very good player but always looks like he wants to be playing on the wing rather than at LB.
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 21:30:37
Some decent play from Nani this evening, making a few dangerous crosses and taking on his man.
Barca Devil
Yeah I thought he looked decent when he got the ball, considering the tough opposition. He sold Lahm a treat at one point!
Gav
Nani on occasion made Lahm look ordinary.
Well played, I for one am a Nani fan.
Good game, despise the germans mind
Cban
Nani is a class act if you you tube him which we don't cos he's one of us he looks what he is a blinder.so what we do is slate him when in fact he,s twice the player hazard is and if you don't believe me go to your you tube and see for yourselves!!
Agreed , he was taking quite a few corners last 15 minutes . I was thinking are they mad he never beats the near post , lol how surprised was I
Just wondering, have you been for an eye test lately?
MPez
Nani is the most talented player on the pitch sometimes, but he is also the most frustrating player I've ever seen. He can dribble, shoot and cross, but he doesn't know when to do it or which one to do. He wastes so many chances and Rooney always looks like he wants to kill him. Put Valencia's head on Nani's shoulders...KG
Yeah Nani skinned Lahm at one point, great to see but what did he do, cross the ball straight to the first defender, now where have I seen that before. That moment summed Nani up, pure genius followed by utter frustration.
09 Jun 2012 21:01:07
Don't you all think ronaldo looks better in red rather than white?
Macca!
09 Jun 2012 20:33:46
Totally agree with ED004 about Affellay. £6 million price tag...... looks a bargain for potentially 4 th choice winger unless Nani goes.
Good replacement for Park should he go and would suit our supposed new formation 4 2 3 1 or 4 3 3.
Also would i would prefer Martinez,M'vila to buying Modric as both these players add that much needed defensive element to the team.
Although should the unlikely happen where we sign either m'vila/martinez and modric than that would be a remarkable summer.
Ed's what are your views/thoughts?
Mad Hatter {Ed004's Note - Would prefer to see M'Villa or Martinez as well and if we did get both it would be brilliant}
09 Jun 2012 20:35:27
Can't see us buying so many players after all we got 89 points of our squad last season so ther won't be such a revamp in the squad...I do think we will invest in youth players though like powell and 3 other signings at the most..a midfielder(apart from kagawa) a defender or two.....can't see us going for a forward but who knows man united always unpredictable....another reason to love man utd
Agree to a degree, apart from the 89 point remark. We still came second regardless of the amount of points. So next year we need a 'revamp' to regain first surely?!
Andy
I've personally never been one for saying we need to splash the cash on loads of new players, as I've always believed in evolution rather than revolution, but a lot of people on here think only one or two are needed, and maybe some youngsters. They think we have a big enough squad and mention players like young Fryers, Keane and Petrucci as being there to flesh it out.
My point would be, and I think this is true over the last few seasons in particular - I know we've still won plenty of silverware before anyone throws it back at me, but I believe we've got away with it a little, with Arsenal on the wane a little, along with the demise of Liverpool, and an ageing Chelsea - we need a 'good' squad rather than a 'big' squad.
Anyone can get a lot of players in and make a big squad, but it must surely be about the quality of that big squad.
I've looked at our bench in games over the last few seasons, and been distinctly under-whelmed by what is on show a lot of the time - it wouldn't exactly strike fear into the better opposition - and thats only the bench, never mind the other bods filling out the rest of the squad.
I'm not some johnny come lately supporter who believes big spending every season is the right way to run a successful football team - it certainly didn't help us back in the late 70's and 80's when I started following United, and I have nothing but respect for the legend that manages our great club, but now and then I think a radical 'revamp' is needed to meet the particular challenges that are thrown our way at a particular time.
This could be a watershed moment folks. City, Chelsea and the Spanish big two aren't going to stand still. We can make our intentions clear with boldness in the transfer market, and new thinking on the tactical side of things, and remind the pretenders just who is the greatest club around, or we can let them steal a march over the next few seasons, pray to God that all our young hopefuls do actually turn out to be the great players that we hope they will be, and spend a further lot of seasons playing catch up.
Sorry for the length of this post, but I've only replied to a couple of posts before, and still getting the hang of this succinct thing.
StevieK
09 Jun 2012 20:31:43
I think we should sign Robben!jus to see how long it will take Rooney to explode&have a nervous breakdown with Robben one side&Nani the other keep cutting in&blasting it over the bar!lol
Robben?
Why? The most one dimensional footballer on the planet. Not good enough anymore. Young is better in my opinion has more in his locker.
Cban
I think it was a joke Cban, you pretty much agreed with his point
Gav
09 Jun 2012 20:26:04
Lets face it we are bit going to sign strootman modric powell baines lewandowski kagawa martinez sneijder etc etc United never outlay that much money and thanks to the glazers we dont have that kind of cash. Kagawa will be our main signing and baines and powell r probable (altho i dnt think baines is anywhere near good enough)
I firmly believe with rio vidic evans smalling all at centre back that the plan is to convert jones into a centre midfield player. Cant see us signing any1 major but i really wish we would sign a quality right back and a world class midfielder.... but we wont coz of cash... top3 at best and i firmly blame the glazers!
Personally, I blame that team you support for giving you nothing else to talk about...
What's it they're called? Liverpool or something?
MPez
We have already signed Kagawa??
09 Jun 2012 20:01:48
Haha what are you guys like?
So now it doesn't matter that WS plays in a s**t league and in a s**t team as you have seen him play one class game and he is now the one that got away? 2 days ago someone was battering on about him being to old!
The guy is a top, top player and would have improved us anytime over the last 4 years if we had got him but only now are folk seeing this! Goes to show how many on here judge even the big players far to hastily!
I would still sign him up in a heartbeat as I would of back when Ronnie left!!
Jono
Jono
i agree , i am sure some people comment on players with out really watching them, sneijder is and has been a top top player for a number of years
jred
He is hugely over rated. Plays glory passes like Giggs, too many nearly balls for me, too old, no thanks.
DodgyBanter
09 Jun 2012 19:54:50
I can't ever recall Fergie signing a German ?
Ron-Robert Zeiler is one i can recall...
=v1=
He did try for Ozil...
fearny
09 Jun 2012 19:44:45
Hey guys , before you all start sharing showers and dropping the soap with Wesley Sneider , let's watch the old German enemy . Much better prospective talent there . The days not out and we gone crazy already !
09 Jun 2012 19:36:25
To everyone who says we should sign Sneijder. IMO that ship sailed back when we sold CR7. Madrid were looking to offload him and were desperate for Ronaldo. I'm convinced we could have sold him for at least 65 mill plus Sneijder. This isn't just hindsight, I was calling for it at the time. Instead they sold Sneijder to Inter and he was the best player in the world that season. Unfortunately we did not have the smarts to do such a deal.
SqueakyBum
Because Sneijder turned us down!
Ive been saying that for years and we couldve prob had robben as part of the deal!
CardiffRED
09 Jun 2012 18:04:41
I hear chelsea have signed 15yr old Charly Musonda from Anderlecht ! I thought we had 1st choice of there players as we sent others to them on loan and they were our feeder club ? Have you heard anything ED ? {Ed004's Note - Nope}
Royal Antwerp was our feeder club, not Anderlecht. We have an interest in at least one of their academy player. A striker, I forget his name.
Sydney!
They're not our feeder club. Antwerp are the Belgian club we are affiliated to mate.
BennyBlanco
It's Henen syd btw, sort of plays in the hole but a striker. Decent player from the little I've seen.
Sanshine
09 Jun 2012 18:14:43
Sneijder has looked brilliant so far this game. Shame we never got him. Oh well.
09 Jun 2012 18:13:03
After the Euro's, rumour has it Park Ji Sung and one of the Da Silva's will be offered as a loan deal to Everton plus £15million for Leighton Baines.
09 Jun 2012 18:02:31
edd004 has said affelay is available for 6 million if this is right surely a good option for the squad him an maybe another cm and maybe left back would be good business {Ed004's Note - I think it would be around 6 million am not sure}
09 Jun 2012 17:55:39
willems is being torn apart not enough experience, affelay would make a great addition much better than ashley young
09 Jun 2012 19:05:57
Oh dear Wesley,the big one that got away.shouldn't have been so tight last summer,what a difference he could have made.his wage demands could have been met with the extra revenue from a better run in Europe .please fergie don't make the same mistake again.....andog
Not again, we just signed Kagawa and they play in the same position. We don't need Sneijder. Kagawa is younger faster and fitter and Sneijder is past his very best. Gilly
09 Jun 2012 18:47:11
Right forget RVP - sign Sneijder!!
Mike
09 Jun 2012 18:38:14
That pass by sneijder to huntelaar was beautiful.
TRUMORS
09 Jun 2012 18:34:26
Wesley Sneijder - Wow this guy is world class, I'd sign him up tomorrow, what a difference he wud have made for us! He cud easily play the deeper role for us aswell!
Fergie Fergie sign him up!
Big Mac
We just got Kagawa and they play in the same position. Kagawa is much younger and possibly better. Gilly
And that's why I said he could play the deeper role
Big Mac
09 Jun 2012 18:25:50
Anyone think sneijder looks quality tonight? Could fergie still be interested or do you think as we got kagawa fergies not interested anymore?
Dwright
There is no way that we will sign Kagawa and Sneijder. I'm afraid that the Sneijder boat has sailed, its a shame that he didn't come in over the summer but i think Kagawa is our man.
RedDevil19
There is every chance we could sign Sneijder, RedDevil19.
We tried to bring Hazard in along with Kagawa, so why not Sneijder?
MPez
That's what I thought mpez, imagine sneijder and kagawa rotating also kagawa can play on the wing I think for 20mil which I heard is what inter want surely he's worth it.
Dwright
Hazard's best position is essentially left midfield. Kagawa's and Sneijder's is definitley behind the striker and no out wide, it would be pointless buying both.
RedDevil19
Hazard was earmarked for the LW.
Sydney!
Do you reckon that why we didn't get him that syd as he wanted to play behind the striker? IMO kagawa is a better option than hazard, but sneijder to play deep lying playmaker could be an option ?
Dwright
09 Jun 2012 18:22:01
Been quite impressed with Jetro Willems at LB for Holland... Looks composed and does both attacking and defensive job very well. Reminds me of Pat Evra back when he was one of the best in the world. Kid looks like he has a lot of potential.
fearny
09 Jun 2012 17:54:49
Just as an add to my other post, what a difference Sneijder would of made. He has been so intelligent, he has a great brain and would of been supremly good for us. This is not MOTD fever as I have always rated him and would of been delighted to see him come in. But now we have Kagawa and I am happy with that, but Sneijder would of been classy.
RedDevil19
Totally agree, I'd stil take sneijder if he was available
Big Mac
I was gutted when we never got him last summer im a big fan, i think he would of made a big difference to the quality of our football .
sneijder and rooney could of been a great
jred
How many through balls and diagonal balls did he play time after time today? With most of them coming within a whisker of reaching their target! He was unblievable today fair play and that pass to Huntelaar (I think it was) was magical!
Totally agree with RD19 though with Kagawa in the bag I feel the Sneijder ship has long sailed. Still we can all appreciate the difference he would have made to our team over the last 2 years
Gav {Ed004's Note - I am not sure with Sneijder though. I am wondering whether he could adapt to a deeper position in the field. His passing is as good as Scholes and he is a very hard worker so maybe we could move him back deeper. Though you really would need a hard hitting DM...}
Like i said im a big fan of sneijder but RD19 is right that ship has probably sailed.
edd not sure about sneijder playing deeper he could maybe play in a 4231
------------carrick ----clevs-------
valencia---------sneijder-------kagawa
------------------rooney--
jred
09 Jun 2012 17:51:50
Dissapointed not to see Strootman taking part in the Holland vs Denmark game. I am however very impressed with Willems who looks composed and also Afellay. Willems hasn't put a foot wrong, has gone forward at times but most importantly he has done a good job at the back. He has a fantastic opportunity to show us what he can do, and by the looks of it he would be a great back up to Evra. Hopefully we could see Willems, Fabio and Blackett all come good and compete with eachother at the club.
I still think that SAF will prefer Baines, but Willems is the better and also cheaper option. Baines reminds me of Denis Irwin, but Willems reminds me of a smaller Abidal, I have no doubt that he will be world class.
As for Afellay, if we hadn't signed Kagawa, I would say bring him in, especially since he will be available for so cheap. He could be a good squad player, but I wouldn't see where he would play, he is too good for a squad playing role. Having said that stick Afellay left, Nani right and Kagawa through the middle and you'd have rediculous amounts of ball control, skill and movement. Nevertheless, we will not be going for him and not be needing him.
RedDevil19
Willems looks a lot better than Evra.
G.A.G.U.S
09 Jun 2012 17:43:47
Affelay is lively. We should of got him or still try.
09 Jun 2012 17:27:58
I never rated Keown as a player, not as a sportsman (rvn incident to name but one, dirty player) I certainly dont rate him as a commentator.
Why do the bbc, among others, hire so many divs as commentators and puntits.
Cban
Agreed, I think most of the pundits are really flat and unispiring, can't tell if Lawrro is even awake sometimes! I would love to have some more enthusiastic pundits and someone who will look for an exciting talking point or show some tactical insight, rather than spinning out the same old yarn. I do like Seedorf's input though he seems quite intellegent and phylosophical - he adds something different
Gav
09 Jun 2012 17:20:06
i know people are jumping on the willems bandwagon and he does look decent. But he is just three days older than our own tyler blackett. So is there much point in bringing him in? We also have fabio and fryers so we have plenty of young and emerging left backs. Maybe we need an older leftback to challenge and compete with evra for a season before taking over with one of the young lads as cover.
Willems is a must mate, Blackett and Willems rotating for the next 15 years will be great. Clyne and Rafael on the other side.
Sydney!
Blackett has so much growing up to do in comparison to Willems.
Cban
This is the first time most people on here will see him play. By the looks of things so far they'll soon come to realise he's not worth all of the hype!
T0MB0Z
So he is 3 days older than Blackett and you put them in comparison. Willems is starting for Holland at Euro 2012 and Blackett is playing in our academy/reserves... Bit of a difference in quality if you ask me
fearny
Willems is further along in progression, perhaps due to more chances at senior level, age is irrelevant.
Sydney!
I still want Baines myself.
Willems looks decent but being outpaced by 50 year old Rommedahl a couple of times isn't too encouraging.
Red Daz.
Drawback is as the pundits said he is open to the ball behind him... does that not mean no difference to Evra due to his lack of experience?
Pardoe
Fearny the only thing i compared them on was their age.
The point i was making was why bring in an 18 year old leftback when we already have an 18 year old leftback. It would just block Blackett.
Yes Willems is further along in progression, obviously as he was making senior appearances for his club and is in his national teams starting 11.
We have plenty of young leftbacks, Blackett, Fryers and Fabio are all young, maybe we need someone in the mid 20's to challenge Evra.
09 Jun 2012 17:15:22
Please Sir Alex I beg don't waist 20 million on Baines, buy Willems for possibly half that!
LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD
09 Jun 2012 16:34:12
It doesn't take long whenever I post something that might be Anti-Glazer before their Apologists come out and defend them with lies. The latest is a loser called Tomboz who just posted rubbish most of which Sydney put him straight on. Tomboz you disgusting little creature we know what you are and who you work for. Enjoy your 40 pieces of silver.... I AM KLOOT
KLOOT
Chill out man, calling someone a disgusting creature based on their opinion on a football rumor banter site? Sometimes i agree with you, sometimes I don't. Guess I'm halfway to being a disgusting creature, never mind the countless hours community service, donations, and volunteering. I must sicken you.
Sparty On
I normally hate seeing KLOOT call people Glazer apologists, but TOMBOZ seems a little too defensive of the Glazers.
G.A.G.U.S
GAGUS
that's true, he does seem overly defendant of the Glazers, but he's a United supporter just like all of us. We're all in the same boat.
Sparty On
KLOOT - Apparently my original response wasn't appropriate so I'll try and tone it down a little.
It seems that every post you make on these forums is focused on condemning the Glazers' ownership of the club. Obviously you have your own thoughts and opinions on the matter and so I wont wast my time attempting to change them. You don't seem like the sort of person who is open to logical debate.
As for your thoughts on me - you're entitled to them. If you feel the need to resort to childishly calling a stranger names over the internet for nothing more than having opposing views then I pity you and do not begrudge you your moment in the sun. Enjoy it.
It makes me laugh however that you use Sydney as a means to strengthen your argument when less than two months ago you were making similar posts about him because of his support of the Glazers. You may have bullied him into changing his views (although tbh, let's face it; all it takes is a rumor in The Sun for that to happen) but you will not affect my views or opinions in the slightest with unreasoned nonsense.
T0MB0Z
Everything Tomboz said however is completely correct. There is no way you can argue against it as we are a business and businesses are run by shareholders and owners who are in that position for one reason-to make money. Yes they exploit the fact that there are so many of us fans willing to pay money to the club we support and I don't like that any more than you do. The problem is, we can't do anything about it as there are always more fans willing to take the place of you if you choose to boycott the games. Also Eds, surely calling someone a disgusting creature isn't banter but just offensive?
Welsh Dragon {Ed004's Note - Yes, it probably should have been edited slightly}
Although KLOOT, I suggest you watch your manners, and not call someone a disgusting little creature.
G.A.G.U.S
Would it please you if I jump on the 'anti Glazer' bandwagon? Perhaps we should try and persuade Craig Whyte or Milan Mandarić to take the club off their hands?
It humors me that you think that the Glazers would hire somebody just to try and educate idiots like you...
T0MB0Z
My views have never changed regarding the Glazers. I condemn them for saddling us with their debt, but I do believe there are funds for the manager. That has been my stance since I came on here a few years ago.
Sydney!
Anybody who thinks the glazers are ok or doing a good job should hang there head in shame and go and support another club. they are parasites of the highest order and anybody who cant see the damage and decline they have caused doesnt deserve to be a utd fan.
johndenton
Why do you get to say what constitutes what makes or who should be a United fan. None of us like them, its just those of us sensible enough to see that they are a fact of life and anything we do will not change that.
Welsh Dragon
There is without doubt an element of stubbornness within our manager in paying what it takes to buy the top talent, it probably comes from his roots. However there is also an undercurrent of keep wages low and dont pay agents from the owners
The owners have left us in a complete mess with the same policy as their US operation
Red Man
09 Jun 2012 17:01:27
Premiership Team 1.
-------------------DAVID DE GEA-------------------
Rafael---------Smalling------Vidic------------Evra
Valencia-------Carrick------Modric---------Young
-----------------Rooney----Welbeck---------------
Premiership Team 2.
-------------------DAVID DE GEA-------------------
Jones---------Ferdinand---Evans-----Willems
Nani----------Strootman—Scholes-------Giggs
-----------------Rooney-----Kagawa---------------
Carling Cup/ FA Cup
---------------------Lindegaard---------------------
Rafael--------Smalling-------Jones-------Willems
Park----------Kagawa------Cleverley-------Giggs
--------------Hernandez-----Welbeck-------------
Chamions League 1.
--------------------David De Gea-------------------
Smalling-------Ferdinand-----Vidic----------Evra
Valencia--------Carrick----Strootman------Young
-----------------------Rooney-----------------------
---------------------Hernandez----------------------
Champions League 2.
--------------------David De Gea-------------------
Jones-------Ferdinand--------Vidic------------Evra
Park-----------Modric--------Scholes---------Nani
-----------------------Kagawa-----------------------
-----------------------Rooney------------------------
Here are five variations of the team if we buy
Kagawa, Modric, Strootman and a left back. It’s
very competitive but just enough game time
so that everyone’s kept happy.
Any more signings and players will grumble.
Just have a look and tell me if you think there’s
any area that needs improvement. But tell me
who’d you swap for who?
TRJC
I'm absolutely lost as to how you could buy Strootman and Kagawa...yet not play them in the main team.
MPez
09 Jun 2012 16:57:07
Does anyone else have a sneaky feeling that fergie has put out all these rumours to the press about Modric to defere other clubs from his real targets? He has done this before.
Joe.a
It seemed strange to me that there was a rumour of such certainty as the Modric one on the last day of season ticket renewals especially as Daniel Levy is not likely to roll over like that.
Red Man
Anything is possible. Most probable scenario is that somebody at The Sun was under pressure to fill a few columns and decided to get creative...
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 16:51:45
This may be our team next season:
---------------------De Gea-----------------------
--Valencia-----Ferdinand------Vidic----------Baines
---------------Strootman----Modric---------------
---------Nani--------Rooney----Kagawa-----------
------------------Lewandowski-------------------
Rooney cannot play up front own his own, and like kagawa is more effective behind a striker. Lewandowski will fed by nani, rooney, and kagawa. He will also get quality crosses by baines and valencia on either flank to score headers.
Modric to keep things ticking ala scholes style.
Strootman to protect the back four, and distribute to players in front with his excellent passing. {Ed004's Note - I think we will be seeing Rooney as the lone striker. I think we are going for a more mobile midfield that is why we are going for Modric, Kagawa and were in for Hazard}
09 Jun 2012 16:40:18
People including Sydney saying that we will sign Modric and Strootman......if we do so what happens to Carrick,Cleverley??..........Paul Scholes too has continued on for one more year..........
Assuming Modric and Strootman play all our European games(10 at least) and AT LEAST(could be more) 25 PL games and FA CUP last stages does that mean Scholes,Carrick,Cleverley play only 10-15 PL games,Carling Cup and initial stages of FA CUP ?
This makes absolutely no sense, my opinion is we should sign ONLY STROOTMAN(obviously Martinez would be my first choice)
ED thoughts please.
MUMBAI_BOY {Ed004's Note - It is a squad game what happens if one or two midfielders get injured, then who do you have left? It could leave you very short...}
09 Jun 2012 16:11:08
what are the probability in % of signing the major linked players with Kagawa having 95% signed
?
Let me find my calculator.
MPez
Twelvety Seventy Two Percent
Messi 100%
Gav
09 jun 2012 16:02:04
instead of going for modric why dont we buy
kevin strootman and joe allen for about the same price,both are younger and will get better with age
If people are still concerned about the number of assists that Modric makes, check out the ginger prince's stats. He was the heartbeat out of our midfield since his comeback, but he didn't even make 1 assist. The CM's role is more about breaking down opposition attacks & distributing the ball rather than bathing themselves in glory.
Red Spark
I totally agree with this post as assists goals etc all come from having possession of the ball. I think a player of modric type (could be modric or someone else) would help us keep the ball and thus hopefully create more chances. In my opinion we gave the ball away far too easily in most games. I feel carrick was better when scholes was with him as he could pass first time with scholes giving him options. Also if we have more possession we are not chasing the ball as much so are less tired (which the opponents would be if we kept the ball). I know this is stating the obvious but it makes a big difference over 90 minutes as when players are tired they are more prone to making a mistake which can be the difference between 1 point or 3. Bookedredmole
Modric makes very few direct assists but he helps to create so amny chances and he is involved in most of Tottenhams goals. He would be great player at any club but would fit perfect at United. Gilly
09 Jun 2012 15:29:56
Manchester United win Nick Powell race
© PA Photos
By Liam Apicella, Staff Reporter
Filed: Saturday, June 9, 2012 at 13:39 UK
Manchester United have reportedly won the race to sign Crewe Alexandra youngster Nick Powell.
The 18-year-old midfielder's form last season is believed to have alerted a number of Premier League clubs, including Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal.
However, following talks with several managers, Powell has decided upon a switch to Old Trafford, according to the Daily Mail.
United are believed to have agreed a £4m fee for the England youth international, £2m of which will be paid immediatley.
Sorry for cut and paste
09 Jun 2012 15:10:30
Park won't go anywhere this summer as he is the only person who can speak japanese at the club and will help Kagawa settle in
Hammond
Where will park play??
will he just be a bench warmer and just take salary for not playing
Frequently the Koreans hate the Japaneese (an awful lot of History between the two) - not saying Park does, but implying that Park will help him settle in is a bit if a stretch.
Mike {Ed002's Note - You will find that most individuals rise above such matters as national differences.}
Does Park speak Japanese? I know he speaks Korean. I also believe Kagawa can speak some English like most Japanese can. I find it hard we would pay Park £2m for another season to be Kagawa's translator.
Sydney!
Park played his football in Japan early on - so I can't see this being a problem
T0MB0Z
Yes, not everyone is racist. Also Kagawa would have more that likely grown up idolising park.
Joe.a
Oh TTVT ed002 - having lived and worked around the world for the last 30 years - I kinda worked that one out - my comment was more regarding the (maybe) assumption that one person from the same part of the world can / will help another "settle" in.
Mike
I think any conclusions that Park's presence will make the transition easier for Kagawa merely based upon his Asian-ness does not need to be played up at all here. Certainly, Park may have something to offer in terms of dealing with the glaring spotlight that will be thrust upon Shinji (particularly in Asia) upon his United move. However, assuming Kagawa grew up idolizing Park is actually less likely than Kagawa growing up idolizing, say, Ryan Giggs since United have such a penetrating presence throughout the globe (that's how I got here, by the way). Just saying. Moreover, Park has not come through on the pitch for some time now and can no longer justify his wages and space in the squad. Sad but true.
Windy City Red
Joe.a - Thank you for what is probably the most paradoxical posts I've seen on these forums for some time. I quite enjoyed that, even though it probably wasn't intentional!
T0MB0Z
All points are moot really as I expect Park to get another season myself
Pardoe
09 Jun 2012 15:09:23
Well quite a few days of various rumours, most of which are probably coming from within OT as they attempt to drum up sales of season tickets ( I had 2 e mails yesterday ) ! I
Sorry, but I think if we are going to spend vast amounts of cash, then in the next 12 months there will be a BIG departure and I can see that being Rooney. United will sell whilst he is at his peak so they get full value for him, similar to what we have done with many others in the past - Ronaldo, Beckham, Ruud etc
The thing that mystifies me is why they are letting Fergie, take charge of what is potentially a huge spend as he has to be in his last few years managing the club. As mentioned in a previous post, United's biggest signing has to be his replacement and I have a gut feel, that the outcome will be Fergie retiring in 12 months and Guardiola coming in as his replacement. The two are known to be close, full of respect for each other and think it would be a great match. It would not surprise me, if at some point in the next 6 months Guardiola moved into a coaching role at the club, working with Fergie in a transitional phase. This taking a year off surprised a lot of people in football and feel there is more to this than meets the eye.
I think, unlike last Summer, we will see a lot of incomings but on the back of last seasons clearout, there will also be a fair few leaving and a new team will evolve, hopefully in the first instance to help win OUR title back.
Busby 68
United will sell Nani, Anderson, Park, Berbatov, Kiko & youth IMO. Owen, Fletcher?, Kuszczak etc off the wage bill and Scholes & Giggs will be off the wage bill next season. United can easily afford to spend £60m net without the club making a loss. With these leaving too the spend will not be that high at all.
Sydney!
Really? I'm sure they would love everybody to renew their season tickets - but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing a few will have any effect on the club. For every season ticket holder at Old Trafford there's probably another waiting to get one. Sales suffered a few years back with the anti-glazer talk / recession / price increases / boycotts/ etc but we will sell enough season tickets regardless of who we do or do not sign.
T0MB0Z
TOMBOZ
Last season they still had many season tickets to sell , there is no longer any waiting list
Before I renewed I had cards in the post, emails , phone calls and texts. In some of them they felt the need to say sales were up. It is also interesting that the yesterday there were more rumours about us buying than at any other time, oh and it was renewal day.
If you are naive enough to think that the strength in depth to buy season tickets is still there then I suggest you look for offers in a few weeks
Red Man
High/low/average home attendances for last season in the EPL...
Man Utd 75627 74719 75380
Can't say I'm too worried...
T0MB0Z
TOMBOZ
I start to sense that the essence to what Kloot said had some merit
You seem to rather easily ignore thelengths they are going to to have to sell the tickets we are doing. When season ticket holders around me are struggling to sell their tickets when they can't make it when for years the tickets were like gold dust it should tell you where we are.
Finally the average attendances are an interesting number. Every season when the attendance nnouncement is read out we all look around at the empty seats and wonder at the number. But of course you are not worried so will not see that
Red Man
Of course there are down sides to having the Glazers as owners - but ultimately what it comes down to is how their ownership affects the performance of the club and the ability of us fans to support our team.
Ticket prices are not excessive when compared with other top EPL teams and we're still competing with a squad which the manager is free to bolster as he choses.
The main complaint, which seems constant and is completely unproven, is that the Glazers limit the amount of money SAF has to spend. I personally believe SAF when he says that there's money to spend and am happy that he's not throwing it around like Chelsea and Manchester City (who in my opinion have ruined and destabilised the transfer market).
Some will of course think that there's no money and that SAF is covering for the Glazers. That's fine - but until there's any proof of this it seems ridiculous to condemn the Glazers so openly. We are significantly more secure financially than most other EPL teams and more importantly have a self sufficient club. Were City or Chelski's owners to walk away from the clubs they'd be left with wage budgets big enough to bury the clubs within a year - no matter what happens our club will survive.
The alternative to the club being owned by the Glazers is to have some other rich person come in or for it to be re-floated as a plc. Either way there will be one or 2 people dictating how the club is run - and people will find faults with it. At least with the Glazers, from a business side of things, they seem to know how to keep the club's value growing at a steady rate. Considering we're in the middle of a double dip recession - that's quite an achievement!
T0MB0Z
TOMBOZ
You feel we are significantly more secure than most other EPL clubs. Take a look at our debt and whilst we service it at present there is no guarantee of always filling the stadium or that the team will always be at the top or getting to the later stages of the Champions league or that the TV deal will continue to rise. At some point the owners have to find a way to pay off the capital of the loan not just interest, that could see them sell part of the club on the Asian stock market so we would have a split ownership, how will that impact us when we will have no doubt to pay dividends instead of interest assuming of course they pay off the bond debt in full with the share proceeds.
A lot of people point to the success we have had recently whilst conveniently forgetting the major players that forged the success were bought per Glazer and the best of all has been sold for a world record fee.
You say you are ok with the owners whilst SAF says he has money to spend. SAF will not criticise the owners in public because of his loyalty. Have a read about SAF he has a very strong ethic of loyalty showing it to his players and in turn expecting it back. He cannot then criticise the owners as it would break his own code. If you cannot see the owners impact I would be amazed because no value in the market has been our ethos and the team has declined in standard because of it but I wonder if you can't see that as well.
The owners are on trial this summer and no value is not acceptable unless we start to think like Arsenal and the prize becomes top 4 whilst watching City and Chelsea win the league.
Red Man
Red Man. Although not ideal - our debt is manageable. Of course I would rather the club was debt free - but at the end of the day there's little I or any of the fans can do about that.
As I said before - you think SAF is reluctant to criticise the owners - I think there's funds available which he does not want to spend. There are times when regardless of who is holding the purse-strings I wish we spent more - but looking back at the Hazard transfer I'm very glad we did not sign him. Are you suggesting that we should have offered him £200k/week as well as meeting LOSC's valuation?
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 15:04:25
Sydney! is spot on.
The only thing the Glazers know about business is how to rape the most successful football club in the world in terms of its financial clout of £500m of its own
Halesini"""
dear mr halesini
ngiak is very unsure if mr Sydney is 'spot on'
it's just half the story
a lot of deadwood has been cleared from the club
the stadium has been expanded
and the business dealings and income from sponsors has more than tripled
and we are one of the few teams who are do well managed financially that we have no danger of being kicked out of Europe cups
and we have a fantastic crop of very young players
and we lost the league to a team that has spent more than 500 million by goal difference
ngiak wonders why these points were not brought up dear sir?
gan
ps... but ngiak has to concede that you are not wrong too... just that you sound like rft... very one sided view
Good response Gan!
T0MB0Z
Stadium expansion etc all paid for by the club's cash (not the Glazer's cash) and the sponsorships are in partnership with Manchester United Football Club (not the Glazers). We could have got these sponsorships without the Glazers, they couldn't get the sponsorships without us.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Who owns Manchester United Football Club Syd?}
I am aware of that Ed, but we are talking about where the cash has come from to buy certain things. In Chelsea's case the majority of the cash has come from Roman's personal funds (outside monies), how much has come from the Glazer's personal funds? Don't get me wrong I am glad we are not bankrolled by a sugar daddy and glad we are self sufficient, but I am just saying none of the money invested in Manchester United has been money generated from the Glazers outside of the club, all the money has been generated by the club. They haven't put a dollar of their own personal wealth into the club.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - They own the club Syd wherever the money comes from.}
Sydney - You don't seem to grasp the concept of a business? A business improves itself with the money it generates or secures loans if needed. The owners or shareholders are entitled to take out money, and so they should be. It is therefore in the best interest of the owners to ensure the club is generating as much profit as possible and so stands to reason that they will do what is required to make sure the club continues to succeed both on and off the pitch. As Gan mentions we are one of the few clubs able to generate enough money to survive - and in this day and age to be in this position financially and competing on all fronts is quite an achievement.
Admittedly Manchester United may be seen as a business more so now than before the Glazers came in - but it has effectively been one since April 1902.
Until the manager comes out and says; "we don't have the money to sign players", I'm happy with the Glazers.
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z, I have no problem with being a self sufficient business, in-fact I couldn't be prouder that we are self sufficient and not bankrolled by a sugar daddy. I understand that football clubs are businesses and businesses need to maximise profits. I get all of that. All I am saying is the Glazers have never put a penny of their own cash into the club. I am with you that I am happy as long as the manager has cash, but will be much happier when we are debt-free like we were pre-Glazer.
Sydney!
TOMBOZ
Problem is, Sir Alex will never come out and say there is no money.
G.A.G.U.S
One small point but the Glazers put nothing to the stadium expansion. The money was in the bank ready to pay for it when the Glazers took over.
The plc may not have been perfect but they didn't plunge us into £500m of debt to enhance their own pockets. Anyone who thinks what the Glazers have done is good needs to take a good long look at themselves
Red Man
Sydney - What about all of the money they put in to buy the shares in the first place. I'm aware that some of their share purchases were financed by loans - but the debts are manageable. If they weren't - we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Debt per say is not a bad thing providing the people who have borrowed the money have the means to pay it back...
G.A.G.U.S - Why wouldn't he? Many managers of other clubs have done so in the past.
T0MB0Z
Romans money is his own ..glazers borrowed theirs..thats why your not debt free...
Ah that's okay then T0MB0Z, they can plunge us into half a billion debt as long as they use the club's money to pay it back. As a United fan how are you okay with that? And to answer your question about their investment into the club, what if I told you they borrowed all of the money and secured it against the club's assets. Is that okay too? The Glazers have a chance to do the right thing soon when they float the club on the Asian market, they need to clear the debt they lumbered onto us.
Sydney!
A long time ago I gave an analogy of someone else taking a mortgage on your home and throwing the cash down the drain and that is what the Glazers have done
Disgusting
Red Man
Sydney. I'm sure you've already answered those criticisms at some point in the past when you used to defend the Glazers. You can deny it - but bear in mind there's a search function on this site as well as archives going back several years! :-)
The club has grown under their ownership and they seem keen to pay off the debt. I'm not happy about the way the club was acquired nor am I the fact that we are in debt - but am confident that it will be paid off in due time with the club continuing to grow. It's not ideal - but it is not the end of the world and ultimately has had little effect on the performances of the team on the field or my or anybody else's ability to support them.
T0MB0Z
TOMBOZ
The reason it has had little effect is that the team have relied upon the important players signed or here before these owners arrived, rio, Scholes, Giggs, Rooney,Ronaldo. The team has needed fresh quality over the last couple of years but there has been no value in other words they will not spend what it takes. If a decent level of performance is to be maintained it needs a major spend this summer or face decline.
Red Man
T0MB0Z, feel free to use the search function and find ONE example of me defending the Glazers. Good luck with that.
My opinions have NEVER changed, I do not like the Glazers for lumbering us with debt, but I do believe the manager has funds to spend. That has ALWAYS been my argument.
Sydney!
09 Jun 2012 14:59:43
tribalfootball are claiming that man utd have agreed a 16 m pound deal with dortmund for lewandowski.
with kagawa deal done, modric maybe on his way here and could even expect a defensive midfielder like strootman or toite or asamoah and for sure we will see the arrival of a new full back. some young players like powell , viktor fischer ,angelo henriquez could also be signed.......... this could be a fantastic summer
looks as if Sir alex is aiming to win everything this season
09 Jun 2012 14:59:32
Ed do you know what the situation is with Jack Rodwell? SAF was keen on bringing him to OT and he usually leaves a space for long term targets. I would prefer him over any other defensively capable mids that have been in the news lately. {Ed004's Note - I don't know if he will be a target anymore though. He is very injury prone and his injuries will only get worse and his improvement has stalled...}
09 Jun 2012 14:59:24
Hi this is my 1st post.
For me personally i would like the following to happen
Ins
Kagawa (Done deal so i read)
Stroodman (Great all round player)
Left back
Outs
Berbatov
Machada (Forgive spelling)
Norwood
Pogba
I would be happy with this outcome
09 Jun 2012 14:54:03
09 Jun 2012 10:27:59
Just yesterday i heard that Darren Fletcher might be annoucing his retirement, hope not, but if true it will be a massive shame for the lad.""
dear unnamed sir
treatment for inflammatory bowel disease is long term and very difficult
the fact that he was away so long and that he lost so much weight certainly suggests its a severe form of the disease
very unlikely he will play again
gan
09 Jun 2012 14:47:09
Welbeck for me lacks what a top striker should have natural finishing and a get on the end of things mentality, he doesnt hold the ball well or take people on he lacks control and tactical awareness just imo he is a headless chicken that runs alot""
dear unnamed sir
that is the worst evaluation of a player ngiak has ever seen
he is a very natural finisher
and holds the ball up rather well
and his eye for that last pass is fantastic for someone his age
tactical awareness? dear sir, from your totally biased evaluation of the player, ngiak wonders if you know what those words actually mean
ask rooney
if you actually have watched any of our games last season
welbeck's running and passing and penetration were very good
gan
Ngiak , you'r 100% right , any one who can make such a statement about a very talented player who is at the start of what should be( barring injury ) a long and successful carreer for both United & England is quite frankly clueless.
Raffa
09 Jun 2012 14:36:55
Im sorry but i just dont rate Hernandez or Welbeck and im going to get slammed for it i know *Sigh*
Welbeck for me lacks what a top striker should have natural finishing and a get on the end of things mentality, he doesnt hold the ball well or take people on he lacks control and tactical awareness just imo he is a headless chicken that runs alot
Hernandez for me is what Welbeck lacks in some ways with the poacher mentality and awareness but he also lack the first touch and control he cant time a run and also he is very inconsistent
I would love to see one sold preferably Hernandez to see Lewandowski or a target man type player like llorente or someone as i think with our wingers it ould only help
I know il get slated but its my opinion i jst dont think Hernandez is that good and i think Welbeck will be a squad player at best
Welbeck is 21 years old. Give him time.
Sydney!
I dont think giving him time will change the OP's opinion of Welbeck. Other than Welbeck's finishing, which he does need to work on but is improving, I disagree with every other point the OP made. Some people just have an idea of a player and wont be budged.
TK-Red
Welbeck has everything a striker needs but the ability to finish when under pressure. His move up and link up play is a joy to watch and his off the ball movement shows he has a great footballing brain.
Chico also has great movement and can finish well but his passing and link up play leaves a lot to be desired at times.
Welbeck's probably the better prospect of the two but they are both still young and I expect one of them to be at the club for some time, if not both.
I'm not going to 'slate' you for having an opinion - because everyone is entitled to one but would suggest that you give them both a little time. I'd probably welcome an established striker to the club with open arms if we're to be playing two up front next season - but refuse to write off either of our back ups anytime soon.
T0MB0Z
Agree with Syd, at 21 you cant expect him to be the finnished article. His potential is exciting, if he was playing in the french league scoring 26 plus you would be saying he is top dog,
Sometimes i feel i am one of only a few supporters of Welbeck, He is class, cannot knock his love for the club, saw him at the youth games a few times.
Cban
Welbeck is a decent player and has good all round skills but doesn't do one aspect of the centre forward role outstandingly well. His close control needs work and he has never been a prolific scorer nor does he have blistering pace. For me he is one of four but not number one of four at United.
We should not over hype players, he will improve but will he be the world class centre forward we will need to win the top prizes , I am far from certain. He does offer more than Hernandez in his all round game.
Red Man
Luckily they're both still developing and will improve! Wellbeck is a great prospect so long as he learns to finish consistently
Gav
09 Jun 2012 14:06:08
I think it's quite clear, assuming most of these transfers come through, that Fergie wants to have a team for Europe and a team for the league/cup. We saw what we can do with, lets be honest, nothing near our first choice team last year...losing the league on goal difference alone! I think the big buys, i.e Kagawa, Modric and Lewandowski (if we get them) will be used for Europe mainly, and perhaps not used as much in England. Fergie could well be seeing this season as his last, and he'll want to leave as champions of Europe if possible!
Couldn't agree more, that post deserved a name.
Sydney!
Are you both Bonkers? All that money on players to mainly take part in Europe. 13 games, and that's if you get to the final!
BornInToIt
It's a squad big enough to cope with the demands of all four competitions.
Sydney!
I dont agree that certain players will be used mainly in Europe but this may very well be his last season so as Sydney! says he may want to give all 4 competitions a good crack.
TK-Red
Have to agree with BornInToIt. Of course football is a squad game and there are massive demands placed on players with the amount of games they are expected to play in - but the best players can handle it. Players may be rested and used more for certain things - but I expect all of the new signings (the substantial ones at least) to feature in 90% of our games this season (excluding the league cup and any missed through injuries).
T0MB0Z
May be in Europe we will play 4-3-3 and in the league we will play as usual 4-4-2.
We were completely outplayed through out the tournament in Champions league as well as UEFA cup.
So we might go for the players that we are linked with to perform well in England as well as Europe.
4-3-3.
Rafa Rio/Small Vid Evra/New
Carrick Mvilla/Strootman Modric
Nani Rooney Kagawa
--------------------------------------
4-4-2
Similar back 4
Valencia Modric/DM cleverley Young
kagawa
Rooney
Why the hell would he spend £12 million on Kagawa, £30 million on Modric and £15 million on Lewandowski just to play on Europe don't you think he want's that title back aswell.
Lewis.
09 Jun 2012 13:50:25
A few here seem to be confused about CMs and where they play. Strootman/Tiote/Martinez/M'vila would provide competition to Carrick whereas Modric would provide competition/replace Scholes as he cannot compete for 90 minutes in successive games anymore. SAF favours a 4-4-2 with wingers, Modric would need a Carrick like player there as well with the others mentioned above providing competition. Kagawa will play in big prem matches and champ league matches where SAF puts in a 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-3-2. He has not yet played in a 4-4-2 for Dortmund and I dont think that he could yet. No doubt SAF will look to work with him to enable him to fit into a 4-4-2.
Also, I might be the only one who rates Carrick and would like to see him keep his position although i think the season after (if not this season) would be a good time to provide competition. I may also be the only person who thinks Jack Rodwell will be better than all the above players (maybe not Martinez but he is not moving) and SAF is a huge admirer of Rodwell. Even if we have to wait until next summer to get him I think it would be a good idea and SAF has a habit of waiting to make sre he gets his man.
Danny
Nice post Danny.
I agree Carrick is under-rated for his defensive contribution. I believe we are being linked with Strootman and Modric as these are the mid-term succession plan for the Carrick / Scholes partnership.
Personal view is we dont need a 'new Carrick' but do need competition and succession planning for this role in 1213.
Modric is more a direct replacement for Scholes though and I think there's an acceptance by Fergie that at best he will get 25 games of a potential 60 game season from The Ginger Prince.
I expect Modric and Carrick to be our first choice midfield in 1213 season.
Kagawa also is a clear first choice to play behind Rooney either in 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1.
I'm not sure Modric is world-class by any stretch but hope he can improve / fit-in with the United set-up. Nonetheless he would be a good buy at the quoted £26m as a direct replacement for a teammate in Scholes who is 11 years older.
Halesini
Carrick is certainly our best midfielder in terms of defensive contribution and any new DM signing would obviously be viewed as competition / a replacement for him.
Kagawa however is like no other player we currently have in terms of his preferred position. As you rightly mention - the only time he has played in a 4-4-2 formation for Dortmund (at least when I have seen him playing) has been on the wing which is far from his best position. I can't see SAF spending that kind of money on a bit part player and so can only assume he plans to alter our formation.
SAF was a huge admirer of Rodwell - but injuries and a halt in development seems to have changed his mind. I really do not see us signing him now or in the near future. I may be wrong - but he hasn't looked as good or promising as he did when he first broke into the Everton team.
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 12:55:20
I like the look of Robert Lewandowski but im not sure if his transfer is necessary in our transfer plans as we are relatively strong in that department and if the Henriquez rumours are true then we would have 4 strikers at the club with Macheda possibly staying as Fergie for some reason sees something in him worth keeping.
However watching yesterdays game, a player I really liked was Blaszykowski (excuse the spelling) had real pace and put the ball on a sixth-pence time and time again.
fearny
The only reason Kiko is still a United player is because he has flopped at every loan move and nobody wants him. Even a relegated Sampdoria pulled out of a deal to sign him permanently.
Sydney!
Sydney. That probably had something to do with them cutting wages and has little reflection on kiko. His loan to QPR was hampered by injury and them signing two strikers shortly after confirming the loan deal.
He's still young and has the potential to be a great player. Unfortunately his attitude stinks so I wouldn't see him as a big loss.
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 12:22:12
So forgive me if im wrong but didnt fergie say no to Hernandez playing at the Olympics so that he can get a rest ? Do how come he's playing games for Mexico recently, is that part of the deal or something ?
Sparky
Even playing for Mexico now he still gets 3-4 weeks off before he returns to training... whereas the olympics he wouldnt get any time off before pre-season
fearny
Maybe him playing in the Olympics will be a good thing. He is playing well for Mexico right now so hoping he will keep the momentum for the next season.
I'm going to the gold medal match so personally hope he's playing as he'd certainly liven up the tournament a little. Aside from that he could use the game time!
T0MB0Z
Hernandez will not be going to the Olympics.
Sydney!
09 Jun 2012 12:03:38
Dude, wat is more imp for u......united success or Danny Welback success"""
dear unnamed sir
ngiak believes its both
Manchester united will be much better off with welbeck rather than "lewy"
Danny is a much better player and works very well with a certain Wayne
so what's all the fuss, ngiak wonders?
gan
The penguin speaks the truth.
DodgyBanter
I'm not sure I'd say he was a 'much better player' - but I will agree that there's no way Lewandowski is better than him as a player.
Lewandowski is probably the better finisher when rushed but Welbeck's movement and control are far superior.
T0MB0Z
Well lets be honest none of us can compare them because we haven't seen both of them play for Man Utd if he comes then we can make the judgement
fearny
A valid argument - perhaps... but by that logic I couldn't compare Marlon King with Messi as they also have never played in the same team?
Having watched both of them play on many occasions I'm pretty sure people can tell who they think is the better player out of those two - so why not out of Welbeck and Lewandowski?
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 10:27:59
Just yesterday i heard that Darren Fletcher might be annoucing his retirement, hope not, but if true it will be a massive shame for the lad.
I've been hearing this on and off for months now. Hope it's not true - but understand completely if he decides to hang up his boots. He's been a great player for us and I hope he finds a method of treatment that enables him to live a normal life. If that includes him playing football then all the better!
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 11:35:44
Lewandowski, 23, said: "I am so happy to score this goal in the opening match. But I'm not going to concentrate on these issues (joining United).
He didn't deny it.
09 Jun 2012 10:26:30
Hi Guys
Not transfer related I bought the new shirt yesterday and I have to say its not as bad as a lot of you think.Sure its different but once you get the badges and stuff on it it looks good.
The one thing that makes it special is the Man United badge.Regardless of style the badge still represents the greatest team in the world.
Bazza The Red
I don't know what the fuss is about if I'm honest. Its not my favourite shirt but its not to bad at all.
TK-Red
What..the one that won nought last season..
Looks like a table cloth but a table cloth belongs on top of the table with the silverware. Gilly
09 Jun 2012 10:16:23
Children children you are all getting over excited. You are talking about us signing all these players and spending all this money when in fact we have signed ? Oh yes thats right nobody yet. We are just linked with these players nothing else. Remember all the season tickets haven't been renewed yet so they need to put some bait out there. At the end of the summer lets look at what the net spend has been when you take into consideration things like Owen and Berba's wages. It is very sweet you all getting giddy and posting lists of all these players we will be buying but you did exactly the same last season and the season before. Wake up and smell the coffee. Obscene amounts of money will be leaving the club over the summer and next season but it won't be going on transfers it will be going to the Glazers and that my friends is reality. I AM KLOOT
Yu're right RFT we haven't signed anybody. Though that could be because the transfer window hasnt even opened yet. Though lets not allow the facts to get in the way of one of your condescending rants.
TK-Red
"considering Owen and Berba's wages"
I see you are getting the excuses in early ;)
The issue fans had with money leaving the club was because it wasn't going on squad improvements. If we sign the players we need this summer then there is nothing for you to moan about.
The Glazers will never be liked which is understandable for what they have done, but if the squad improvements are made in the summer and we are raring to go you will not have a leg to stand on. Lets wait and see though, like you have said no one signed as yet.
Sydney!
"wake up and smell the coffee"
Look Klooty ... Suggest that after waking up and before smelling the coffee you should take your anti- depressants .
Mike
A little pessimistic. I still believe that it's SAF who has been reluctant to spend since the Glazers came in rather than them limiting what he spends.
SAF has never been one to spend more than he thinks he needs to and I'm sure if somebody bothered to check the stats -our net spend for the period before the glazers came in was probably lower than it has been since even with the Ronaldo money going back into the club.
I could of course be wrong - but this much I know. The Glazers may not know a thing about football - but they do know business and will know that winning nothing in a season and failing to get out of the group stages of the champions league is not good business. They've invested a hell of a lot of money into the club and are able to draw out a good return. Why would they not want to keep that going by investing the money the manager feels he needs to maintain the high levels of success which lead to the Glazers purchasing the club in the first place?
In short - they will do what is needed to put us back on top or will sell the club and walk away with a significant profit.
In terms of silverware we've done pretty well since they came in. Give them a break.
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z, they have never put a bean into our club, but taken out almost £500m.
Sydney!
Kloot I sometimes find myself questioning whether or not you are actually a United fan... Hmm..
Macca!
True enough. However their commercial strategy has already generated substantial additional funds and these have got close to matching the funds that have been taken out. Let us remain balanced when analyzing the situation.
Cantrubian
Sydney! is spot on.
The only thing the Glazers know about business is how to rape the most successful football club in the world in terms of its financial clout of £500m of its own money.
We have had success in 'The Glazer Years' only due to a decent squad when they came in and moreover one of the greatest managers of all time in Uncle Fergie.
Everyone knows the way the Glazers financed the deal was farcical. As City, Chelski, Real will tell you, look what we could have won with that extra £500m invested in the squad.
Halesini
The Glazers have taken out less then would have been paid out to shareholders in dividends and have helped the club to grow as a business. Sir Alex has always maintained he has had the money to spend and to be honest I believe him. He's never been one to spend extravagant amounts on players ala City and Chelsea and has preferred to go with marquee signings every now and again. That's still the case today.
T0MB0Z
I also believe we have had funds and it's been the manager who is reluctant to spend or agree to a player's wage demands, but the Glazers have wasted £500m of our cash on refinancing, management/admin fees, interest, buying bonds etc and if we had remained a PLC then dividends taken wouldn't have been more than £100m (in total) in the same period. So you are wrong about that my friend.
Sydney!
Our cash? They own the club. It's their cash :S
T0MB0Z
The club's cash isn't their cash T0MB0Z, they cannot help themselves to the club's cash willy nilly, did you know it's illegal for them to borrow more than £10m from the club, let alone help themselves to the cash.
Sydney!
They can pay themselves a certain percentage of our annual net turnover. I can't for the life of me recall what that figure is exactly - but it's one which they have not exceeded.
It seems you've resorted to making things up now? Were it illegal do you not think they /the club would have been penalised for doing so? Manchester United are one of the biggest clubs in the world with countless people against the ownership of the Glazers. Everything they do will come under close scrutiny and were they found to have broken the law in any way we would know about it.
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z, do you know anything about our club? The Glazers borrowed £10m from the club in 2008. It was investigated by the government, but the way they got around it was each Glazer took £1.67m as apposed to taking out £10m in one lump sum.
A fan that is happy our owners have plunged us into debt, you are a pretty strange fan I have to say.
Sydney!
Rather that than a fan who changes his opinion to fit in with everybody elses.
Re your post - Each Glazer took £1.67m, as they were entitled to do so at the time. I believe when the club refinanced they actually stipulated a clause allowing them to pay themselves 50% of the Consolidated Net Income of the club every year if they so wished.
I don't think I'd say I was happy with the situation - but am certainly content with the growth of the club and its ability to compete and invest in new talent.
T0MB0Z
My opinion on the Glazers has never changed T0MB0Z, not once in three years since I have been coming on this site.
I am not talking about dividends, I am talking about taking loans out of the club. It's completely different.
Like I said yesterday, I am happy as long as they keep giving the manager funds to buy players, but anyone who is fine with the way we were purchased is not a real fan IMO.
Sydney!
09 Jun 2012 10:08:30
wat about nick powell....ny news??
and ED dont u think baines will be a little too old......
i think jordi alba would be nice.....and what about lewandowski is really coming or just another story.....? {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}
Little bit harsh, ed - given that every other post on here atm seems to be a duplicate of another one. I swear there's been at least 20 in the past 2 days discussing the possibility of Lewandowski signing alone. I suppose that strengthens your argument as much as mine... but even so.
Unnamed - There is nothing official from either Manchester United over the proposed transfer of Lewandowski. Dortmund have made it clear they will do all they can to keep hold of him and there's talk that we've already had a bid turned down (although this hasn't been confirmed by either club).
The speculation about his transfer arose from the Polish manager suggesting that he would be a Manchester United player at some point but he apparently back-tracked on his statement not long afterwards suggesting that he meant it might happen at some point. Lewandowski has since refused to confirm or deny the rumors (according to the papers, that is).
Personally I don't see it happening as I cant see why we would not have secured the signing before the Euro's started when the clubs valuation of the player was liable to rise.
There's also been nothing official on Baines although I suppose he fits SAF's current obsession with English players with EPL experience. I personally don't think he's good enough - but Alba (who would be my first choice signing if we were to go for a new LB) looks set to go to Barcelona to replace Abidal. I'm told that personal terms have been agreed with the only snag being the two sides being unable to agree a fee. From what I understand the clubs' valuations are around £2m apart and so expect the transfer to be completed at some point in the not too distant future.
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 09:42:26
Next season the new players make for good speculation on team shape this upcoming season.
Supposing we buy Modric and Kagawa do we go to a 4-5-1 variation?
Less likely is a 3-6-1/ 3-5-2 type set up.
Now if we buy a striker that would require Rooney in the hole, now would we go for a line up with Roo, Modric, Kagawa, Young and Valencia say (Could ofc be Nani in any of the positions) would that not be to attacking with no holding midfielder, or way out there Rooney holding(Unlikely)
Which then brings us to holding midfielder a new one or Carrick/Scholes this also means dropping a midfielder, so could that be a tiny hint that 3-5-2 type setup is possible, with Young /Valencia as wing backs (Probably not Young) for home games / attacking setup with Evra /Rafa etc for more defensive games
Can't really see SAF going to 3 at the back but who knows
Sorry if I rambled Eds, members any suggestions ,criticisms or thoughts on it?
Pardoe
Rafael's final ball is still far too inconsistent for him to be played as a winger and I doubt Young would be able to fulfill his defensive duties were he to be given the role.
I honestly can't see us playing with 3/5 at the back - nor can I see us playing without wingers. Assuming Kagawa will be deployed in an AM/supporting striker type role (which is easily his best position) our options seem very limited.
I think that even if we were to sign Martinez/M'Villa or even De Rossi (who I believe is still the best cdm in the world atm) I can't see how a four man midfield with wingers and somebody playing in the advanced positions which Kagawa will be holding could hold with just one player shielding the defense.
As a result I can only see us playing with 3 in the middle and one up front next season when Kagawa is on the pitch unless he is shifted out on to the wing. He can play there - but at the moment it would be a massive waste of his talent.
If we were to sacrifice wingers and play with 2 advanced AM's with a DM playing behind we could theoretically switch to playing with wing backs (with three center backs) and two up front - but I really don't think we have the personnel for that kind of formation at the moment.
T0MB0Z
09 Jun 2012 09:25:40
As a loyal united fan reading all this newspaper reports about deals going to take place. First of all I would say Powell deal is done! I really don't think we will sign modric for £26 million! We have already signed kawaga as an attacking midfielder! If he is going to operate a change of formation and signs modric, where does this leave clerverly! Where only last year fergie described as a special talent! The main areas which concern me is left back as evra has been missing for 2 seasons now! He never picks up his men and a lot of problems last season came down his flank! A defensive midfielder is needed if we want to compete in Europe! We are far too open and Carrick cannot play this role!! Go out and sign strootman or m'villa!! And Baines is not worth the money they are looking!! Why not give fabio a run in the team? He needs games!
I think your keyboard is broken! all of your punctuation is changed to exclamation marks! Or are you conveying an Austrailian internation?!
(!)
09 Jun 2012 09:00:14
Hi Ed, just asking for a favor, can u manage the posts according to days, greatly there there are so many posts in a day, it's hard to read them all and when the next day I came back, I almost forgot where I had left it or can add some think like bookmark, like that. If it is possible for you...
Aly {Ed002's Note - Or you could simply read the date and time stamp that is provided on on each post?}
Another nice cutting comment ed. rayzor
You couldn't make it up !!!!!!!1
Steve
Press Ctrl F, then search for your name.
Percy
09 Jun 2012 02:33:15
I, for one, would not like like to see Lewandowski join us. My primary reason being, the development of Danny Welbeck. I feel if Lewy was brought in, he would be our No. 2 striker, and given the No. 9 jersey if/when Berbatov leaves. Yes, Lewy is a talented finisher, but, I think that Danny can become more of a complete player. And i believe next year is very important for his development. Danny has shown huge strides of progress from two years back, and we need him to keep going, i think that he should be given the 9 kit. Also, we already have a finisher in Chica and we are bringing in that Chilean kid who is being compared to RVN. My other point is that if we are moving to a new system, whether it be any variation of a 4-5-1 (4-2-3-1) or a 4-3-3, Kagawa was just bought, who is also a goal scorer and creator. That leaves us with Rooney, Welbeck, Chicha, Kagawa, Young, and Nani as serious goal threats. I do not think that we will have any problems scoring goals next season. On a personal note, I really hope we can sign Modric, oh well if we have to shell out 35 m. That's modern football, and at 26, we can get the best years out of him. The though of Modric playing in Kagawa, slotting Rooney sounds very appetizing to me. Well, those are my two cents. whatever that is worth.
Cheers,
Sparty On
Dude, wat is more imp for u......united success or Danny Welback success
Sparty mate, you say Danny hae made huge strides in the last two seasons.....do you mean he has improved with the regular football he has had at Sunderland and with us over the last two seasons? Cus it would looks like its playing time in the first team that has improved him, but your surgesting buying soneone else thus restricting his chances of playing as you feel this.will improve him. I was wondering what your basing your arguement on? I think next season we'll more than likely be playing with one striker, we've signed Kagawa and are looking like signing Powell both are midfielders.who play just behind the striker, this I think shows that we'll only be playing one up top next season. In which case Danny will.be fighting Rooney and Hernandez for his favoured central role. Surely bringing someone else in would.just bring his.progress.of.the last.two years to a.halt? We've been linked to two strikers in the last few days, and imo only Henriquez looks.like a.viable option due to his age.
Shappy
It will all change if welbeck has a good tournament.
im tipping him to do so.
Cban
Maybe Ive read it wrong but to me it seems like Sparty is saying the exact opposite? He doesnt want another player brought in as it will restrict Welbecks progress. Personally I'm not against another striker being brought in so long as it is someone who is quite clearly world class and better than Welbeck, which IMO Lewandowski isnt. Certainly not worth the reported £20million.
TK-Red
Danny Welbeck's success as it will bring us success in the end!
CardiffRED
"Dude, wat is more imp for u......united success or Danny Welback success"
I think the two are going to be quite closely linked over the next 10 years, personally. Welbeck could be an absolute monster of a player.
Anyway, we should all want Welbeck to be successful - he's homegrown talent from Longsight.
DarkLard08
I think that was the exact point he was making Shappy. He was saying don't bring in Lewondowski (sp?) bring in a young kid for back up.
DodgyBanter
Shappy
You completely misread his post. He said he does NOT want Lewandowski, because it will halt Welbeck's progress, I agree with him and by the looks of things, so do you.
Percy
Shapps
Have you misread Sparty's first line? He was saying he thinks we shouldn't buy him. I personally think with our three strikers we are fine for the one up top just now and we could save spending on another striker and concentrate on LB and CM first.
We can monitor Keanes return from injury and if we feel a bit lightweight up top come jan then we can reinforce then. I feel there are other areas we need to look at other than adding another striker.
Then again we all didn't think we needed another winger last year and we got young so who knows haha
Jono
Yes, I am saying I would NOT like to see another striker join us, as opportunities for the young Welbeck will already be limited with the formation change. But, I am not overly sure that Fergie will change to a new formation as he loves and trusts in a formation with two strikers. I, like many, believe that Danny can turn into an absolute monster of a striker, and he links up well with Rooney. I think Rooney was praising Danny's performances in the press recently?
Cheers,
Sparty On
09 Jun 2012 01:59:54
Well it looks like my predictions are all coming together nicely now, and people are finally going to start realising that I only state facts......
As I've been saying for the past 2 weeks, united will spend all the ronaldo transfer money this summer, they will use the £80m to sign :-
Kagawa £16m
Powell £3m
Modric £25m
Henrique £4m
Obi Mikel £18m rising to £25m
Jonjo shelvey £14m
***watch the space in the next coming weeks everyone for guaranteed transfers***
Thanks
Micky Charlie Boyyy {Ed007's Note - You're an idiot.}
Jonjo shelvey and obi mikel
try to read some genuine news mate
Idiot i would rather sign Jonjo O'neil before Shelvey and after the way Mikel acted to get to Chelsea that will never happen,although you could say we have just bought Kagawa with the money we got for him
ARB
Nothing more to be said when Ed007 has said it so eloquently . I AM KLOOT
09 Jun 2012 00:17:40
Hi I'm newish to this site iv never posted before but I do alot of reading here and have been for the past couple of months was just wondering why alot of users ask Ed002 for his opinion and truths about rumours? {Ed007's Note - Because she is female. We use her exuding sexual prowess to attract people to the site rather than spout a load of nonsense like other sites......if you build it they will come....}
Bond classic
Pardoe
Well, i think it's you bond who are attracted to her the most...I bet most of them on this site will have the same opinion....
@SYDNEY:Sorry mate, last time around i said a few things to you which i shouldn't really have...
RED DEVIL FOR LIFE
Edoo7..i think someones sarcastic replys
are rubbing off on others..luv it.rayzor
Kiss and make up? ;)
09 Jun 2012 00:13:49
Strootman (22)
Modric (26)
Kagawa (23)
Clyne (20)
Willems (18)
Powell (18)
Henriquez (18)
Could these be this summer's signings? Seems a lot to be honest, but we do need them. I do not think the initial outlay will be more than £75m including agents fees, tax etc. With players like Park, Berbatov, Anderson, Kiko, Nani & youth possibly leaving the net spend wouldn't be much more than £30m this summer. Perhaps the left wing will be looked at next summer along with the CB position?
Sydney!
I don't see Stootman and Modric coming in, maybe one or the other, but I would be more than happy with these signings!
Ruudinthemood
I would love for us to get those players but not sure I'd want it with Nani leaving, though I do understand that's probably the only way we'd afford it. I'm kinda 50/50 on Nani and would probably rather he stay but IF he goes I would want a LW to come in now
On a side note, Strootman - having only seen him play properly once and hearing reports of his 'steeliness' I initially thought he would make a good foil for Modric. However, a friend who has watched him regularly says he is better going forwards than playing the 'holding role' so I'm begining to wonder whether we'd be playing him out of position if we bought him to use as a holding CM? Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing him at the Euro's if he gets a game (not sure if he starts) to see what his game is about
Gav
Ah, but that is a tasty looking bunch and frankly, the writing has been on the wall for some time for the players you mentioned. There wouldn't be a surprise in the lot if they any or all hit the road. I think Strootman/Modric could be dynamite for years. People keep slagging Modric as a defensive flyweight, but his positioning is amazing and he cuts off quite a few balls that would otherwise cause havoc if they got behind the midfield. Stootman looks stong, versatile and - best of all - a bit fiery. Regarding the left wing options, surely Young and Kagawa have to be considered excellent options on the left for now (even if Nani does go, which would be sad but okay) I suppose the question should be asked as well as to whether Brady has any coming through in 2 or 3 years to secure the flank? I think that he's got a good shot. If so, we could be well sorted out for some time. Also, 3-man defense.
Windy City Red
Pretty sure Park will see this season out myself, maybe even Anderson
Pardoe
Sydney!
I wonder if there's big spend coming because of the sponsorships that are starting this year. We know the Glazers have "frontloaded" the payment of these deals in previous years, so maybe that's happened again to release funds for this year. Their view will probably be that a flotation in the Far East will happen in the next 18 months so a) that will clear debts and release money moving forward, meaning the sponsorship revenues will be almost like bridging loans for next season, and b) a big influx of talent will make the team more attractive to investors for that flotation.
On that basis a net of £60m or £70m doesn't seem that unrealistic to me this summer, possibly even higher. The only financial risk it would be running was if the flotation was delayed more than 18 / 24 months.
DarkLard08
We will be able to spend around £60m (net) without adding to the gross debt if my calculations are correct. So perhaps the Glazers feel they have paid down the debt enough for it to look attractive enough for investors? Perhaps they will want to get the gross debt below £400m. Perhaps they could do that by getting an advancement on the new sponsorships? But by my calculations we could spend £60m net and not add to the gross debt. Spending £35m net would enable the Glazers to drop the gross debt below £400m naturally without any advancements from sponsors. We are such a profitably company I do not see any reason for not spending this summer. How much will be interesting. Will it be around £35m mark like some media sources believe or will we spend it all on players which will see the debt remain the same?
Sydney!
I honestly think 'IF' we did spend circa. £60m net this summer our squad would be incredibly healthy for the next 3-5 years and we could get away with spending just £10-20m net per season for the next couple of years, whilst reducing the debt further with any left overs (as we've done in recent times). All this whilst ensuring our squad is good enough to provide for success going forwards. I hope the Glazer's see it the same way!
With youngsters like Wellbeck, Chicha, Cleverly, Smalling, Jones, Fabio, Rafael, DDG improving all the time and other's like Tunnicliffe, Brady, Henriquez?, Petrucci etc. all looking to emerge it would mean we wouldn't need big investment in the squad for years so long as we sort out the key positions this summer. Add to that the prospect of players like Kagawa, Nani, Evans and whoever else we sign this summer will also improve with further experience
So my plan would be this:
- Spend most of our budget this summer, say £60m net on LB, CM, AM and some youngsters
- Next summer spend very little (net) with probably Rio, Scholes & Giggs leaving along with their salaries. Possibly just buy a young CB to cover Rio's squad place but not much more
- Use any left over revenue to clear debt at end of next summer
- Look towards flotation during following 12 months as we would have a) reduced debt to lower level by then b) our squad should be good enough to provide success due to the £60m spent and younsters imroving, making us more attractive to investors c) our wage bill would be at a mangable level (relative to turnover) having lost Rio/Berba/Giggs/Scholes, leading to a healthy valuation for flotation
Gav
Couldn't agree more Gav, the good thing about a newly transitioned squad means you do not have to spend loads anymore, but when/if a top player becomes available we can go out and get him. Pretty much blow the budget on him.
Sydney!
Agree with the above sydney but also think that after this years european exit they will spend to ensure there is no repeat. We all realise that the squad needs freshening up and I am sure fergie and the glazers do too. As much as I dont want the glazers at the club they are businessmen and realise success is required to maintain top interest in the brand. Bookedredmole
Yes Sydney exactly...in years to come we would have a great all round squad but if we fancied a particular winger or striker for instance we could just blow £30m on them, with probably a little coming in from outgoings to make it a modest net spend. It would be great to be in a position where we only need to make a slight tweak each summer, or look to make a luxury purchase
Gav
08 Jun 2012 23:41:24
Why do people feel the need to post the same rumour that has already been said 10 times b4 they do? Lewandowski, Modric are possibilities but not certain and if your taking 'The S*n' as a source, you're gullible ! I cant see us spending another 50+ mill on players. We will probably sign one more 'big name' 20+ mill player followed by nick powell and a few more youngsters.
The more people that post it believe it actually gives it legs, say it enough it will happen
Pardoe
08 Jun 2012 23:18:59
After seeing the russian national team tonight, i was really impressed by their play ooverall but especially by Alan Dzagoev.
He had 2 goals, should have gotten a third one, and isnt even a striker! He had great feel for the game with intelligent passing, and showed some excellent ball skills! This player seemed to be very vercitile because he came over left first, but also showed up in the middle and on the left side.
How about going for Dzagoev? He is in the price range of 16 million Euros which is very good and he is only 21 so a lot of potential!
TBH I thought Arshavin was on another level! Not sure I want him though ; P
Dzagoev seems talented it's just whether we'd need a youngster in that postion, especially if Powell comes in
Gav
08 Jun 2012 22:38:07
Last summer i read an article about a possible move for nani. The journalist had hacked kenny's phone and found out that he was to meet nani's agent in a cafe in liverpool. Unfortuanately nothing ever materialised. Now i know it is extremely unlikely he will move to liverpool can you see nani leaving manchester this summer.
YNWA
Yes, but not to Liverpool. Will Liverpool pay the wages he would want? I doubt that very much.
Sydney!
And someone's just hacked your phone to post that...laughable
Nani is too good for liverpool
Pardoe
I cannot see nani moving to liverpool. I heard the pool were after jarvis and getting a player from relegated premiership teams seems more realistic considering recent form. I know I will Probably get abuse from pool fans for this post but looking at players brendan rogers is linked with I dont think he realises that expectation will be so much more at the pool.bookedredmole
Fergy is a master at not "arming" his rivals, Liverpool might not be title competition but Fergy still sees them as key rivals. He would never sell a player like Nani to Liverpool, if he goes on to become the world class player we think he could it would make him physically sick every time he scored against us.
If Nani goes it will be to a carefully selected club abroad, unlikely to challenge for Champ League, and I for one will be sad to see him go.
DodgyBanter
08 Jun 2012 22:25:28
Ins and outs this ummer rding to papers ...can't believe most of these players joining
Arriving
Robert Lewandowski (Bor.Dortmund)
Danilo Cataldi (Lazio)
Angelo Henriquez (Universidad de Chile)
Viktor Fischer (Ajax)
Yohann Cabaye (Newcastle
Kwadwo Asamoah (Udinese)
Hector Herrera (Pachuca)
Cheick Tiote (Newcastle)
Leighton Baines (Everton)
Luka Modric (Tottenham)
Moussa Dembele (Fulham)
Jordi Alba (Valencia)
Nick Powell (Crewe)
Claudio Marchisio (Juventus)
LeavingÂ
Nani (Juventus)
Paul Pogba (Juventus)
Bebe (Loan)
.....Don't see most of these actually happening but who knows..
Red Devil4life
Certainly not all of them you've listed 14 'ins' which would probably give us a squad of 35 rather than 25...I suppose 10 of them could help build the new fans zone outside OT
Gav
08 Jun 2012 22:15:19
Honestly ill believe all this talk of modric joining when I see it. Last summer according to papers we signed sneijder about 87 times and never happened..in my opinion I would love to see someone like modric at Old Trafford but maybe it would be smarter to move for younger talent. If we want to spend 25 mil on a midfielder. Why not go for someone like sahin who is a real wasted talent at real..guys got a lot of potential and should be cheaper so more funds to lure someone like m'villa to Old Trafford.........hope baines doesn't join for 20mil...overpriced is a understatement
08 Jun 2012 22:01:40
Russians looking good for my group winners bet already. Anyone have Dzagoev in their team?
Also what game during the Euro's are you all looking forward to the most?
Mine would have to be the Germany - Holland game, should be pretty charged.
Jono
Yes mate I have him in my team. Not a bad start really.
TK-Red