Manchester United Banter Archive March 09 2012

09 Mar 2012 23:47:08
de gea
smalling jones vidic evra

valencia llorente cleverly young

rooney

cavani

09 Mar 2012 21:39:38
United have been holding talks with pogba all week and are 'positive'

G.Bennett

09 Mar 2012 20:05:46
Lets stop calling each other spoilt brats here becoz of differing opinions....,the team lost yesterday yes and its right for pple to question the team's perfomance and remind Fergie of his continued losses at OT....,yes we respect SAF for the wonderful stats with us but thats not a ticket or an excuse for fans not to criticise him and his recent poor team selection and tactics which has cost us,,

09 Mar 2012 19:02:42
Heaven forbid that someone on this site should face facts and state that we are not a shadow of ourselves from a few years back..do that and you are spoilt brat that should accept that just cause ordinary clubs can now run us ragged is just how things are and you should say nothing or go support someone else.

Well I will say whatever I like and unlike some on here I expect more from one of the biggest clubs in the world lads are saying oh everyone loses a few games in a season even in succesful seasons which is true but apart from playing some good stuff at the very beginning of the season the rest has been a shambles I cant remember the last game we played in which we actually dominated play had a cutting edge and looked like really tearing a team apart it just doesnt happen anymore.

We are at least four quality players away from being decent but I dont see them arriving any time soon. Scholes and Giggs will get their one year extensions and we will be told that we are fine in all areas and that the cow in the other field is not as good as our cow sh1t.

Devil Dust.

09 Mar 2012 18:01:43
Looking at the posts on here yesterday and today it looks like our supporters are spoilt brats. So we've had a poor season in Europe, it happens, although rarely to us, but it happens, so get over it. That is football, and we don't have any devine right to win all the time. Anyone would think we have a really poor squad. We are right behind a club who have lost, yes not just invested, but have lost over £300m in 2 years just to be good enough to challenge us for the league title, and we are right there, breathing down their necks.

Let me point you in the direction of a programme tonight on ITV 4 at 8pm which recounts our great nights in Europe. For those not old enough, take particular note of one of the greatest ever nights at Old Trafford when Bryan Robson (2) and Frank Stapleton scored the goals to overhaul a 2-0 1st leg defeat to a Maradona inspired Barca. Back then we were not as successful as we are today, but the fans were always passionate, and not so fickle like today's feast or famine attitude of so called "supporters".

Losing is just part of the game, I mean, just ask the Scousers, they have become experts!

09 Mar 2012 16:36:51
we are knowhere near as good as we used to
be, we need to sign some top quality players a new striker, can't help but think when fergie retires we are going to be a mediocre side.

09 Mar 2012 16:04:35
Right, i've tried to avoid posting until i've thought the result through a bit - and it has to be said, i'm still very dissapointed and am fearing the worse for the return leg at the San Mames.

There were positives though, Anderson looked fit again, Evans was the only good player in the defence and also De Gea was excellent. Work needs to be done though.

I was pretty pessimistic before the game when i saw that we had Giggs and Jones in midfield. Jones is technicially quite poor, and Giggs isn't the man to keep the ball. We did have the match on the weekend in mind though, but i hope to see Carrick and Scholes in the middle next week as that is the only way that we are going to control the ball.

Hernandez is really getting on my nerves at the moment, he's outside the box too many times. We need him in the box and unfortunatly he is trying to supply others which is just mental because he simply cannot do it well enough! That is why i think Welbeck is arguably the best man for us to start with.

It is obvious to every man and his dog that we are going to need good quality reinforcements in the summer. I'm currently bemused as to who though. It is certainly the case that we need to keep the ball better, and with a tight budget Cleverly and Xhaka would probably be a good midfield pairing with Anderson giving us that option of forceful runs through the middle.

I would of liked a more ball controlling team, i'd really of liked to see Berbatov in the line up yesterday as he keeps hold of the ball and passes it much much better than Hernandez does.

In terms of the match next week, i think this formation is a must for us to get a 2-0 victory which, over than 3-1 is are the only realistic results to take us through:

____________De Gea
Jones__Ferdinand__Evans__Evra
_____Ando__Carrick__Scholes
___Nani____Rooney___Welbeck/Young

I think its certain that we need a three in midfield to keep the ball, if Bilbao control the ball then i think it is good night Vienna for us. I'd probably go with Welbeck just to give us that striker come hard worker and i think Nani is in there just because he is a match winner.

UnitedForever

09 Mar 2012 15:51:48
Looks like I'm the only one who enjoyed last night... thought it was a cracking game. Still think we'll go through.

APC

09 Mar 2012 15:30:43
Picture Manchester United's squad 2 years down the line. What will it look like? I think Rooney will be moved back up top based on the fact we have been looking at Oezil, Sneijder etc. Instead of looking for what we need, we should look at what we already have to determine what we need. What positions are guaranteed and sorted for the next few years?

_______De Gea
Rafa__Small__Jones__??
_____Clevs___??
Valencia__??____??
_______Rooney

So we need to determine who will fill in at LB, CM, CAM and LW. I would hope Fryers or Fabio would take LB, or we could look at Alba or Izaguirre. CM is awkward, becuase we had a player in Paul Pogba who could have done that job, but we now need to find someone for that role. Ideally Martinez would be brought in, but there's more chance of me ending up at United next season. If we're looking at a small budget, we may have to sacrifice Nani. If we got £25-30m for him, I'd be delighted. Sven Bender at Dortmund is a great player, and would compliment Cleverley. it would be the same sort of pairing as Keane and Scholes, although not as good yet! We could get him for 15m. Mesut Ozil is the player we should get from Madrid. Madrid want Goetze, and it's likely they'll need to raise funds for that. So, perhaps we can get him for 25-30m. Now for LW, it's difficult, because there's not that many options. I genuinely believe we will regret not making at move for Shaqiri at 10m, a left footed winger who would've been perfect for us. Bale is too expensive. Ribery too expensive. Robben injury prone. After last night, Iker Muniain has to be a target. I know Bilbao will want big money, apparently 40m euros, but I don't think he'll go for that. £30m will get him IMO.

So look at it like this:
LB - Fryers or Fabio
CM - Sven Bender - £15m approx
CAM - Mesut Ozil - £25m approx
LW - Iker Muniain - £30m spprox

That's £70m spent. Sell:

Nani - £25m
Berbatov - £7m
Macheda - £3m
Anderson - £7m

That's around £30m retrieved. A £40m net spend might be possible, given that we spent that last summer, although I certainly won't be holding my breath.

In 2 years time:
________De Gea
Rafa__Small__Jones__Fryers
_____Clevs___Bender
Valencia___Ozil___Muniain
________Rooney

Sounds easy, but it's obviously not.

G.A.G.U.S

09 Mar 2012 13:55:40
does anyone know (eds included) how reliable the guardian squadlist info is??

oxred {Ed002's Note - 87%}

09 Mar 2012 13:10:14
If Real Madrid still want Hernandez and are willing to spend loads, let him go.
I've seen dogs with a better first touch.
While we are it sell Park, Anderson as well.
No more Giggs and Jones in CM please.
God I hope Toni is fit soon, put Nani on the bench, where he deserves to be at the moment.

Red Daz.

09 Mar 2012 12:56:37
Very quiet on here today...are we all still recovering after that hurrendous display last night? That is exatly what you get when you play Ryan Giggs and Ji Sung Park in the centre of midfield. The game passed them by because they are to slow. Our passing in Midfield was terrible. We were outworked, outfought and outplayed by a Spanish side lying 5th in La Liga. I think Fergie that tells us everything about what we need to do this summer. There has got to be an influx of 2-3 quality players brought in and the deadwood like Park, Owen, Berbatov, Anderson etc need to go. Andreson seems to be getting fatter and fatter every season, how many more seasons is Fergie gonna give him this kid?
The onloy two positives last night were Johnny Evans and David De Gea otherwise it was shocking!
If nothing comes in this summer we are in serious trouble and are going to get left behind in Europe.

Please Fergie get some money spent on this midfield of ours!

Simmo

09 Mar 2012 12:29:45
Very quiet on here today...are we all still recovering after that hurrendous display last night? That is exatly what you get when you play Ryan Giggs and Ji Sung Park in the centre of midfield. The game passed them by because they are to slow. Our passing in Midfield was terrible. We were outworked, outfought and outplayed by a Spanish side lying 5th in La Liga. I think Fergie that tells us everything about what we need to do this summer. There has got to be an influx of 2-3 quality players brought in and the deadwood like Park, Owen, Berbatov, Anderson etc need to go. Andreson seems to be getting fatter and fatter every season, how many more seasons is Fergie gonna give him this kid?
The onloy two positives last night were Johnny Evans and David De Gea otherwise it was shocking!
If nothing comes in this summer we are in serious trouble and are going to get left behind in Europe.

Please Fergie get some money spent on this midfield of ours!

Simmo

09 Mar 2012 11:51:58
Well...
Just a few things to get off my chest...
What was playing jones about yesterday in CM? SAF conceeds we are going to have to be at our best so we stick a player who has under performed in that pos this year in CM? Carrick?!
Secondly, how did we lose that game? Yes Bilboa played well but on a good day Hernandez scores 3 himself in that game.
Thirdly, WTF is WRONG with Nani? third poor game in a row.
Fourth, to all you Pogba and MOrrsion lovers, I said it before and ill say it again, WERE and ARE OVERATED! So pleased that discussion is finally coming to an end.
FINALLY, who are we siging this summer?

Syd2

09 Mar 2012 11:09:21
Thank God we have Fergie who knows not to panic. Evans, Smalling, Jones, Rafa, Fabio, Cleverley, Welbeck are all great at times, but they are young lads and still have a lot to learn. We have to give them a chance.

GDS

GDS

When ya see a team like athletic bilbao absolutely destroy us at home I certainly wouldnt be singing anyones praises !

Why would you be glorifying SAF after that saying no need to panic well I think we should f##king panic and should have after last season getting over ran by West Brom and Aston Villa to name just a couple something is very wrong at United and the squad needs serious overhauling.

SAF keeps blaming the young lads in defence after games like last night totally ignoring the gaping truth of our woeful midfield starting the game with a 20 yr old defender and a 39 yr old winger we are Manchester United and that is not good enough !!

Devil Dust.

09 Mar 2012 11:00:03
Ok have had time to think about what went wrong and i'm still bloody angry about it.
Poor team selection again, SAF didn't show any respect with putting that team out.
Either we want to win the trophy or we don't looks like we don't.
Please never play Giggs or Jones in CM again, shows how much we rely on Scholes and Carrick, without them we would be truly awful.
Shocking at the back apart from DDG and Evans.
Same again shows how much we miss Rio and Vidic.
And don't get me started on the forwards, a bad game for Wayne but he has them now and again but the real problem as i've been saying on here for ages is Hernandez. The boy can't trap a bag of sand let alone a football. He really needs to work on his control as it's woeful. Ball goes up to him bounces off his foot, knee, arse whatever.
Please Fergie either play Danny or Berba in front of Chica, at least they can control a ball and don't give it away all the time.
Well rant nearly over, just to say I see Disney on here again making excuses such as what a great team Bilbao are, the team that are 5th in La Liga.
Is that how far we have dropped that we almost got slaughtered at home to a team 5th in La Liga.
Sydney you are an embarassment to our fans on here, no wonder the scousers take the piss out of you all the time.
Comes to something when you make Blairs posts almost look sane.


Red Daz.

09 Mar 2012 10:46:26
Unfortunetly i didnt see the result last night but i did hear the score, What formation did Fergie use? and who did he play in positions?

09 Mar 2012 10:28:14
Why should the club fork out extra money for players who are only playing for money they should want to be at one of the best teams in the world and want to play the beautiful game because they want to not because they are being paid to
NUFF SAID

09 Mar 2012 10:22:07
What you mean the same Pique who left us because he didn't like english football and besides wages far too high

09 Mar 2012 08:41:52
Hi Guys
First post on here!
Just like to say you are all being very pessimistic, don't forget Sh**tty lost as well. It's all about who's best in England! Come on you reds!!
good luck guys:)

09 Mar 2012 08:14:57
just wanted to say that DDG has been sensational recently. What a GK the lad is absolutely sensational if only Rafa wasnt ball watching for the 3rd.

ms85

09 Mar 2012 07:36:44
We gotta win the next 3 games in the coming 10 days.
West Brom at home I think we'll play
DDG
Jones Ferdi Evans Evra
Nani Scholes Carrick Young
Rooney Welbeck
(maybe play Valencia, Cleverley to get them some minutes)

vs Bilbao
DDG
Jones Ferdi Evans Evra
Valencia Cleverley Carrick Young
Rooney Welbeck
Hernandez as super sub.

When will SAF learn? We should play the best players in the best positions possible.
Rafael was great a month, SAF dropped him played Jones there, and now he's off form.

09 Mar 2012 06:58:31
Well,saf stubborness and his underestimation of opposing teams has cost us this season and i believe its the same approach he uses by saying theres no value in the transfer market.
Just look at luka modric,he came to spurs cheap or look at dotmurd,they buy players very cheap and they turn out well,am not saying fergie should go for cheap players,what am saying is when we are intrested in a player,fergie should at least scout at least three other players who play in the same position with the player we want,so that if he fails to get that particular player he can fall back to the other 3 players used as back up.
Jude

09 Mar 2012 03:42:48
Firstly, let me start by saying the Bilbao side reminded me of the young, vibrant attacking United side of the 90s. They were absolutely brilliant. MUNIAIN - FERGIE SIGN HIM UP! He is up for sale isn't he? Well then lets see if the blood suckers at Florida stump up the cash to buy him, a real gem of a player, running at players and leaving them for dead, exactly what we are lacking. Llorente and Martinez looked excellent as well. But as a neutral i hope they keep this crop of players together and go on to challenge Barcelona and Real Madrid in the La Liga.

Onto United, many people will come on and criticize the players and the midfielders in particular, but i think its SAF and Phelan who are completely to blame for the defeat. The team selection and tactics (if any) were horrendous to say the least! The team that finished the game should have started!

Why play Giggs and Jones in midfield? Neither are specialist CMs. I just don't know what was happening there. You could see the immediate improvement in our play when Carrick and Anderson came on and we were able to sustain pressure in their half. Yes we need to rest players for the EPL but this is no way to do it.

Play Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Rio. Take 3 of them off after an hour or so. That is the way we used to do it, to rest players. It would have been a far better performance with that team.

Rafael was at fault for the 3rd but where were the shouts telling him whats coming from behind? Apart from that he was excellent imo. Evra was his usual piss poor self, and if he doesn't get replaced in the summer we need to take a few banners to OT making it known.

The positives:-

1. De Gea, slaps all his critics in the face as each game goes by. Kept the game from being 6-2!

2. Evans, has really stepped up imo, he has had to play with 3 different partners and still plays well.

3. Anderson looked fit, sharp and hungry when he came on, the next couple of months are critical for him.

4. The tie is still 3-2!

We NEED a midfielder in the summer lets see if the greedy americans loosen the purse strings and buy Modric, he is the most likely imo to not disturb the wage structure.

Modric, Izaguirre and an emerging young striker/left winger in the summer should do the trick. Lets see 60+ mil spent or serious questions need to be asked.

REDFAITH

P.S. I hope David Gill questions SAF about what is happening this season in Europe with stupid tactics and gets a new no.2 in.

09 Mar 2012 02:57:15
Been saying it for two years now, but the squad simply isn't good enough. Not even close. When you are using players like Giggs and Park, along with a defense that looks completely lost, you have no chance. First the CL flop, now the Europa flop....maybe eventually SAF will realize how badly things need improvement. How bad does the team have to get before he realizes what everyone else already knows. This team is not good enough, and unless he changes his stubborn refusal to buy world class players his team will continue to lose to clubs that do have world class players. SAF better have a long look in the mirror on this one.....
KG

09 Mar 2012 00:29:52
Bilbao played with all the drive,flair and threat ofpast united teams god i wish we still did that but as i,ve said before we will not play the united way until saf drops his obsesionwith playing like barca if he wants to do that then he needs to buy the right type of player and not try and force square pegs in round holes we have quality players who are good at there job and can produce but not if played out of position or in an unsuited role forcing wingers to play cm or support striker in a system they and the rest of the team are unsure of is crazy so if saf and united want to change how we play then fine but put your hand in your pocket and buy the quality players we need if not then at least let us revert back to playing the united way in a system that our current players are used toand more often than not gets result and as for those calling rooney he is getting no service and very little help from his midfield in a lot of games funny how he allways plays better when toni is in the team we will come back from this period of transition/decline but only if we invest correctly inthe right players for whatever system we choose to play but not if we buy players and then try to get them to change there game to suit our system we need cm not converted wingers or centre backs they will get found out everytime as they did toniight
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