Manchester United Banter Archive May 09 2014

09 May 2014 23:30:25
You know what's strange? A player (Muller) gets linked to us in the press, and suddenly he's exactly what we need.

{Ed007's Note - I've often wondered that same thing GAGUS, great minds think alike eh?}

Spot on G.A.G.U.S.

I'm getting a bit bored with the endless list of names being thrown about, many of who are not required. Although I see this morning we are linked with Alex Song, who is just what we need.

Disagree there GAGUS. every world class available player is exactly what we need. We did not need Mata, nor did we need Van Persie, but they turned out all right.

Same goes for Muller. He would offer us a better option than pretty much anyone we have on the right.

Let me explain myself. We need a central defender more than a winger, but I'd rather have Muller than Gaitan. We also need a central midfielder more than a winger, but I'd rather have Reus than Song or even Carvalho.

We need Muller because he is a magnificent player, not because we need a winger more than other areas on the pitch.

Ill be honest, I really dnt rate muller that highly, to me he seems to not have a set position. I get he's playing for a very good team on bayern but I dnt think we need him.

Mata hasn't turned out alright Mick, major flop thus far (nice guy, intelligent but hasn't delivered), but I agree we need wholesale changes and upgrades across the board aside from upfront and in goal.

5 goals and 4 assists in 13 games for a flagging team while often being played out of position. Yeah, massive flop.

Mata hasn't played at his best but he has hardly flopped. If he is given a central birth next season behind RVP he will be fantastic.

Mata has been our best player in half the games he's played in (has had a few quiet games too), far from a flop tbh.

Stats mean jack Danny. They don't tell you who we played, who else played, what else he did. Mata hasn't played well, certainly nowhere near the fee we paid. Fellaini has played a couple of good games, but he has been slaughtered, both have not done as well as expected to be fair.

Mata didn't galvanise the team and that is what £37m was meant to do. We are crying out for pace and he is slow! I like him but it was a rash purchase by a desperate man, why would Mourinho sell him as well?

CTR, Muller is technically and physically rather average, but he is smart. Incredibly smart. He knows what to do, where to do it, and when to do it.

Such players are rare. Lampard made a career out of it. Busquets is in a similar situation. Compare that to natural talents, who lack the necessary IQ to be able to speak their own mother language ( or any sort of language in all likelihood ) and tend to go around chasing the ball when they are playing as the lone striker in a system, and I know who I would chose.

Beast, Fellaini is a flop. Mata is not. He has been pretty decent, having both good and bad games, most bad games coming on the right wing. Fellaini has been horrible as a defensive midfielder, box to box midfielder, and as second striker when employed there. See the difference?

Why would Mourinho sell him? Because he didn't fit his system. Before that he was player of the season at Chelsea for two years running. He didn't turn crap overnight, he just isn't want Jose is looking for in a player, same reason we will see Oscar and Hazard leave Chelsea over the next few years.

Mata has done relatively well at United, considering where he has been played and the state of our performances. I don't know how you expect a player to galvanise a team when he's played out of position. To say his performances are on par with Fellaini's is just wrong. He has scored and created, and in general has had a positive impact.

He doesn't have much pace but he is hardly a slow player. He is very quick in possession, and his talent lies in moving the ball quickly and incisively. When we have better wing players and he is playing behind a top striker like RVP, who stretches a defence, he will get back to his best.

Astonishing post by the Beast. Mata is world-class. He has been far from being a flop. Jose doesn't do flair, he does workhorses. Chelsea have gone from an exciting team to watch under Benitez (of all managers) with Hazard, Mata, Oscar terrorising defences to arguably the most boring side in the league. Like Danny said Oscar and Hazard will probably be sold within a couple years and replaced with more defensive midfielders :)

So is Danny wellbeck mick, tbh I rate wellbeck just as much as Muller in terms of influence and consistentency in game

Lets be honest mata hasn't played as well as rooney this year a player who gets slated as not good enough and should be sold on this site on a daily basis .
a bit like the kagawa situation who as been poor for 2 year now but can do no wrong its excuse after excuse for him

Mata to be fair has gone from being Chelsea's most loved player to being dropped, then being isolated, then sold. He joins a MU team that were in disarray whilst being played out of position. He's had a big season and not had five minutes to settle. Still he's managed five goals and four assists in 13 starts. He's a terrific player and will be much better next season I'm sure.

If you stuck messi in the team we had this season he wouldn't look like a world beater either, doesn't matter how good the player is, without some quality around them they will struggle.mata did ok with the lack of quality around him.

09 May 2014 21:56:51
Why are we linked to so many strikes.? Who's leaving? Rvp, rooney welbeck or the little pea

I think chicarito will leave and slight possibility of rooney going too.Personally I wouldn't mind rooney going as I think he is not as technically good as some would have you believe.If he plays as the most forward striker for me he is one of the best, he will get goals, the problem is he likes to play in between the lines drifting too far back taking other players positions leaving up front short which for me is another reason we are easy to defend against.If van gaal does become Manchester United's manager he will play van persie as the main man usually playing just the one upfront, like I said rooney isn't technically good enough to play behind, we have mata, kagawa or januzaj for that.As for chicarito he hasn't had enough playing time and it would be the same next season.And with one only being played upfront we don't need that many forwards.Welbeck will be given another season to impress, we have young james wilson(high hopes for him).I also know van persie is injury prone but would rooney want to play second fiddle?if so I'm all for keeping him, its just I don't think he would.

I'd be amazed if Rooney & the Pea are still here come the start of the season - but RVP, Welbeck & Wlson with Keane/Henriques as emergency will be sufficient for me as we have so many other critical positions to fill this summer. Best to focus on midfield and defence.

Beast, good point man and solid reasoning. You would be "amazed" if one of our players who was given a 5 year contract a couple of months ago is still with us next season. I am sure you are amazed Rooney has spent 10 years with us, let's hope Wazza continues to amaze you ;-) . H Y P E R B O L E

Deeps.

Ohh and god help us if Bambi is our back up plan. We are not playing ice hockey mind you. I think Welbeck will and should be moved on. Not good enough

Deeps.

09 May 2014 19:16:57
Surely if Martinez is unsettled and open to a move we should be going for him also as a cdm/cm? If it's true that is.

I have posted something similar on the teams page mate. Forget Hummels or Garay, let's buy Martinez.

I think Martinez is a perfect fit for barca haha

I think he's just what we need

Would we use him as a CB or CDM though?

Posted similar. I'd use him as a CB personally.

09 May 2014 17:00:41
What do people think of Dejan Lovren for CB?

I think he's a good defender and could come in cheap at 12-15 million.

Don't get me wrong I'd prefer Hummels and Garay over him but will all the spending we will be doing on other positions a 12-15 million defender wouldn't be a bad choice.

If we don't sign Shaw or Lallana then Lovren could be a possibility from Soton.

I think he's a decent defender but I believe we are looking for a CB who can play out from the back, good passing so don't think he is the CB for us

When you think they signed him for what £8 million, add that to a decent contract and so on and he's probably cost them £10 million ish this year. I don't imagine they'd sell him for £2-5 million profit. Not worth it if they want to replace. If there's anything we've learned about Soton is that they tend to massively overvalue their players, as a means to put of transfer bids. Still, I don't imagine we'll go for him but I reckon he'll move on in the 2015/16 season.

I think he's just what we need

09 May 2014 11:54:59
Marco reus is a top top player IMO. i'm surprised other big name clubs aren't also sniffing about as much as.united.
Di maria blows hot and.cold, on his day, di maria is world class. Then there's games that pass him by. The boy has huge talent. However reus is consistently excellent from when I have watched him. Is far more direct to di maria and would suit uniteds style a lot better IMO. He would be a huge coup for united. Hopefully he stays at dortmond ;)

Obviously we would prefer Ronaldo, Vidal, Shaw & Hummels, but this isn't a fantasy world unfortunately :)

If we had £200m to spend, these would be my choices.

Ronaldo, Reus, Vidal, Shaw and Thiago Silva would be my choices Sydney haha, what a team that would make.

Honestly, I think a lot of top teams have been sniffing around reus for some time, but they've probably been told he's not for sale. If he were to become available (i.e. Dortmund willing to deal) a lot of clubs would come knocking on the door. I'd imagine Chelsea would be among those clubs as well, going by the list Ed made a little while ago.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea, Juventus, Real Madrid, Manchester City, Arsenal showed an interest in Marco Reus before his return to Dortmund last year. Recent tentative approaches made by Chelsea and Manchester City have resulted in a "not for sale" response. Manchester City may push again but Dortmund seem to no longer be looking at Dzeko as a possible replacement for Lewandowski, so the option to offer favourable terms on the transfer or a contribution to his salary may well have gone. Interest from Manchester United remains quite speculative right now - 2015 might be a more likely option if the club do well - but should the player become available before then they may well look to bid. Dortmund will not want to sell and a move this summer seems unlikely - although Barcelona will be looking to rebuild this summer and could potentially try and put an offer on the table - but right now that does not seem to be the case.}

This Syd
Hmmm not to bad that ;)