Manchester United Banter Archive October 09 2013
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09 Oct 2013 20:37:06
Hi Ed's, do you believe that united will spend in January? If yes then who? Thanks, Adam {Ed007's Note - Read through the site.}
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Hi Eds Do you think we will every go for Coleman from Everton? I know we have Rafael but I rate Coleman a better defender think he is the best rb in the premiership. Also do you think we might bid for Barkely any time soon another top player who is going to be top quality. Cheers {Ed007's Note - I wouldn't think so.}
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09 Oct 2013 19:42:41
God I hate international breaks. At least this will be the last one and then we know who is going and who is staying, but still bored to death.
Good luck to England as it would be quite odd not to have them qualify and the last world cup for many of the big name players.
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Yes the hugely underachieving prima donnas and the boring useless manager backed by a bunch of old farts that do not appear to have england at heart
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10 Oct 2013 08:10:54
For a minute there Pardoe I thought you were talking about United.
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Yeah I hate International Breaks, but I think this one has come at a good time for us.
England are so negative but I can't help watching and cheering us on, seems to be par for the course nowadays!
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Marcellus, hugely underachieving? Yep sounds a lot like united
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Marcellus stop talking about your club. The amount of money your guy has dumped in, you should have a lot more mate.
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09 Oct 2013 13:49:55
Anybody else a little concerned about the residency debate in the media, surrounding Januzaj, and it's potentially negative effect on his contract negotiations?
The young lad, through no fault of his own, is being made a scapegoat for the FA's failings.
just hoping the furore surrounding him, doesn't lead him to think that it would be too much hassle to stay in England.
Hope I'm wrong. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about, but you are correct that you are wrong. He is not being made a scapegoat at all. What failings of the FA.}
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Januzaj has no intention of joining England so I doubt he is giving it a second thought Steve.
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Not at all, the more he is in the media his advisers will be loving it at the moment as it is all bargaining power.
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09 Oct 2013 15:23:54
I personally find it amusing that the greatest club in the world is so concerned over the future of an 18 year old when there is so much else wrong with your club.
You keep appearing to pin your hopes on the next young prospect you either tried and failed to sign or is at your club. I guess desperate for someone to make a difference.
Credit where credit is due, he is a shining light amonsgt all this hideous darkness hanging over you.
He'll have to have some pretty broad shoulders to carry you out of this current slump though.
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Wallace, at least you know we are the greatest club in the world. So you aren't completely clueless.
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Marcellus - I know what you are saying is intended to irk people, but you speak the truth to a degree. The focus on Janujiz isn't just because he is so promising a talent, it is because we have let so many escape recently for one reason or another - if we see another one go who is obviously a class above most of our current players then it is yet another nail in the coffin of the wonderful football we have been capable of playing for so long and indicates what a state behind the scenes we are.
We are in a stage of transition but it is horrendous how much emphasis is being applied to a virtual unknown player and another one who has slapped us in the face several times yet we still come back for more and even make him captain!
in 12 months we will be back and no amount or Russian/UAE cash will be able to stop our next force, which will be built on youth and will dominate for another 10 years.
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Its called being excited over ANOTHER youth prospect we have nurtured marcellus, I dnt expect u to get it, remind me the last decent youth player u bought through? Remember josh? Or Gael? Lol no me neither!
Now go away and learn to do this better!
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Marcellus I think you have missed the point. No one is singling him out as the Last United Hope. People just don't want to see another talent go to waste like with Pogba. United are in need of talented Midfielder's and this lad is going to be class. And fortunately he is better now than the alternatives.
I do find the discussions in the media about him being an england player a farce though. I don't see it happening in a million years.
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I don't recall you posting when you lost at home to Basel. You came out of the closet when you started to win a few games. I would expect nothing less from a Chelsea fan. Shame you loaned that lad to Everton, how many goals has he scored?
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09 Oct 2013 19:07:00
Syd, I have no doubts about that. Why would he?
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09 Oct 2013 19:07:47
I was referring to the failings of the FA and the England team. So bankrupt of any ideas for improving the national team, that they feel the need to drag a young lad, with no links to England other than playing for an English academy for a few years, into a national media debate. One in which he has no input into whatsoever.
I would imagine for someone not usually in the public glare, that this might be a little disconcerting for them. {Ed002's Note - It will take five years for him to qualify as a resident. The FA nor the England team created this scenario.}
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They created the scenario when Hodgson discussed the matter on national tv.
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This is a non story. Adnan is not English and there is no incentive for him to pretend to he I.e. if he wants to pick a country with no blood ties but with the greatest chance of doing welk at international level, then Belgium is the obvious answer.
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It's a massive load of rubbish. Did anyone see Adnan's speech when he won reserve player of the year last season? Could barely string two words together when trying to speak English. People forget what International football is all about. I don't know whether he'll play for Belgium seeing that's his nationality, or his supposedly preferred country Albania. I don't really care so long as he signs a new five year contract with United.
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09 Oct 2013 10:00:31
With Anderson, Hernandez, Young & Kagawa getting little game time and all possible sales in the near future. Who would people replace them with? I think Januzaj has pretty much already replaced Young. I would like to see Herrera replace Anderson. Sadly this leaves two players who I wouldn't want the club to sell. However if they are sold I would like to see one player replace them both. I would go all out for Draxler.
In the defence I would replace Evra with Coentrao/Baines and Rio with Garay/Subotic then I think I would be happy with the business. Personally I do not see this much activity happening between now and September, but it's what I would want the club to do if these were the players who are going to leave.
Baines, Subotic, Herrera, (Januzaj), (Powell), Draxler in.
Evra, Rio, Anderson, Young, Kagawa & Hernandez out.
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All this players would be a massive boost to the squad. But it we'll depend on how much money can we make from the sales, since I don't think we have money for Herrera and Draxler in the same year. In fact all this 4 player would cost around 110Mil.
Unless we make a 40-50mil on sales, I can't see it happening.
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I would add gundogan
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I would rather have Gundogan than Herrera and Zouma and Garray replacing Rio.
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Gundogan instead of Herrera certainly wouldn't be a kick in the teeth.
Nick86 - Young, Anderson, Kagawa & Hernandez with Evra & Ferdinand off of the wage bill would easily raise £40m-£50m.
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Jred
Gundogan would be the best option. The cost could be as much as Herrera and he's by far better option.
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Gundogen, Subotic, Januzaj, Rues and try for Shaw or Coentroa. Granted it would be a very expensive Spree but wouldn't it be amazing.
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Although Kagawa looks likely to leave, I think it would be a mistake to sell at least him until Rooney's future is resolved. I know I probably sound like a broken record, but we still haven't seen Kagawa get a run of games in his best position. I am sure there will be opportunities for him to play there either through injuries or suspensions to Rooney or RVP. Or even through poor form from either of those two, which is currently a real possibility.
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I agree with you Sydney to some extent but in areas I disagree. Mainly, I don't know if Draxler will be looked at or is necessary, its unlikely.
I would like to see us either modernise the 4-4-2 and make it more of a 4-2-2-2. And I would also like us to play a 4-3-1-2. These two shapes best fit our squad.
To be honest, I can see all of our left backs leaving. Buttner isn't happy, Fabio says he is looking to leave and Evra is piss poor. Rio's time is up, Anderson probably also. Young is a goner as far as I am concerned. Kagawa & Hernandez will probably leave also, Kagawa will get a chance though I hope.
The first think I would do is get rid of the aforementioned players. I would then look to promote from within. Straight away we can call up Henriquez to be our 4th striker, we could call up Blackett (maybe/maybe not). Lingard can come straight up into the first team squad and so can Powell.
So with Januzaj, Lingard, Henriquez, Powell & Blackett we would have some 'back-up' and first team options. We could also look at the Keane's, Varela and Vermijl. We have to make better use of those from within and then strengthen outwardly more sensibly.
If we promoted the above we could then focus on 3 or 4 first class players. Personally I would go for Baines but we will end up with Coentrao. I'd go for Subotic. I'd go for Gundogan but we will get Herrera and then maybe one more like Barkley.
Realistically then we could do:
Promote: Januzaj, Powell, Henriquez, Lingard & Blackett with Keane's, Varela and Vermijl getting games.
Out: Fabio, Buttner, Evra, Anderson, Rio, Young, Kagawa, Hernandez.
In: Coentrao, Subotic, Herrera, Barkley.
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Out: Anderson, Rio, Young, Anderson, Buttner, Rooney.
Phase Out: Vidic, Carrick
In: Coentrao, Lars Bender, Herrera / Draxler, Barkley.
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Out: Lindegaard (£3mil), Rio, Vidic (£5mil), Evra (£2mil), Buttner (£3mil), Nani (£15mil), Young (£7mil), Carrick, Rooney (£35mil), Hernandez (£12mil).
That's over £80mil in fees and God knows how much in wages.
Bring in the youth players like Henriquez, Powell, Lingard & Blackett and also:
Konoplyanka (£30mil), Herrera (£30mil), Papadopolous (£20mil), Shaw (£18mil), Gundongan (£30mil).
Obviously very rough guesses, but around £130MIL outlay. So a net spend of £50mil, we also then save on wages as the players are all young and won't command anywhere near what our current players get/expect. Also we aren't raping one club of all their players, Dortmund (Reus, Subotic, Gundogan eg).
That's what I hope happens in the Winter/Summer.
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I don't think moyes would go big for the likes of gundogan/reus. To be honest I can see him going for someone alright and trying to go back to the Everton days. Someone like Morgan schneiderlin and maybe James tomkins. That's the calibre of player I imagine moyes being able to lure. as much as I'd love the most discussed to come
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I am getting a little worried about all the people saying we should sign sub subotic and garay. What we need in central defence is a little pace and both are slow. Since rio and vidic have lost their pace we continually get exposed at the back. I would want a more mobile cb. As to who I am not sure, but I don't think subotic and garay are the answer.
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Reus and draxler will go to the highest bidder for silly money can't see it being us unfortunately
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Love the way that Alt hates Anderson so much they want him out twice!
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09 Oct 2013 22:20:52
I agree with the point that we can't lure the biggest of the big to our club because as of right now which world class playwr would actually want to come to us? And don't say we are Manchester United the PL champions etc. because the aura of playing for our club has been lost now that Sir Alex has left and the days of playing attractive football are long gone I'm afraid to say and now we will play with a much more defensive mindset under Moyes like he's done with Everton
Players such as James Tomkins and Darron Gibson are the types of players we will be aiming for from now on as our pulling power for players is gone and it's not coming back anytime soon
No matter how much money we would ever have or how much we are lacking there we will not and I repeat WILL NOT buy that world class midfielder we are craving because that's not what our club is about they like to build up youngsters and sell them on for profit and the process starts all over again
So we can forget about signing the likes of Gundogan and Draxler and concentrate on getting in players like Leon Osman or Steven Davis
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MrSween
"Out: Lindegaard (£3mil), Rio, Vidic (£5mil), Evra (£2mil), Buttner (£3mil), Nani (£15mil), Young (£7mil), Carrick, Rooney (£35mil), Hernandez (£12mil)."
I think you've missed a few if the first team squad out there mr. We may not be "raping" any of the other teams, but we'd be stripping ours back to Evans, Jones and Terry the masseur.
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Dodgy Banter - it's what it needs in my opinion. Lindegaard is replaced by Amos. Rio, Evra & Vidic are not good enough for a fast flowing game (certainly won't be next season), neither will Carrick be. Hernandez & Buttner never play, Rooney wants to play elsewhere and we can free up some cash, Young & Nani are rubbish.
With the signings and yougsters coming in that I have indicated, RVP, Kagawa, Zaha, Janujaz, Anderson, Fellaini, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Fabio, Welbeck, De Gea, we will have an awesome team and great squad depth, not to mention a team in place for the next 10 years (give or take a couple).
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Draxler on the left is as a sure thing you will get. Janusaj actually prefers to play on the right side and those 2 to me sort out our wings, if Janusaj turns out to be the real thing, Draxler is the real thing.
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If we were ever to push the boat out for a player and spend there is no one better than Vidal, Forget, Bender, Pogba, Gundogan as Vidal has all the parts. You can pair him up with quite a few midfielders out there and we are set, Verrati being my first choice.
Whilst pogba can't shut his mouth and feels like he is entitled and the world owes him something Vidal is the player for Juve is what makes juve tick and if you watch enough of them you can see that.
Left back is difficult as you will not find may great ones and they are generally not available, so Coentrao is probably the bets option out there.
Center back is a difficult one as Smalling and Jones are yet to convince and need to play agains top quality opposition to know if they can consistently to the job.
I love Varrane and think he will the best CB in the world in a few years and if you want to build a back four around a player Varrane is the guy for me.
Pay top dollar for Varrane, Vidal, Draxler and the rest will work itself out given our guys coming through and what we already have.
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09 Oct 2013 09:26:57
Shahram was talking about young Belgians the other day. One he forgot to mention was Andreas Perreira. At 17 we expect to see more of him next year, but he is certainly someone to watch and he of course plays for MU.
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Sydney
They seem to have a conveyor belt of talent coming through. It will be interesting to see how they turn out. I expect them to have a very good world cup and credit to one of the eds, they called it a couple of years ago.
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09 Oct 2013 09:24:05
I completely agree with Jack Wilshere. I am no xenophobe, but if the team is England, then only English players should be playing for England. I also think England should only be managed by an English manager. That is the whole point of international football. International football is bad enough and I hate it when the EPL has been put on hold for International games, but if we started having foreign players playing for England then that would be it for me. Januzaj if he has any sense would play for Belgium.
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Syd
I would have to agree with all of that
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I personally don't want to see him play for england anyway as they would more than likely ruin him like they tried to do with scholes, hopefully he chooses belgium as he would be playing with a fantastic upcoming team, also why would England be so arrogant to think he would wait (i think 5 years?)to play for them, i'm sure he's level headed enough to make the right choice. {Ed002's Note - I understand from Jacobs that it remains likely that he will decide on playing for the Albanian national side.}
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It would devalue international football IMO. It defeats the purpose.
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It's a tough subject.
I'm not against it, I think you should have to of lived here for 10 years though, 5 is too short.
I thought people from abroad who moved here and gained citizenship where British?
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Ed, Albania are certainly favourites to get him. Although Belgium would be a better bet for him IMO. Does Jacobs mention MU at all? {Ed002's Note - He has turned down options of Belgium in the past - MU is not an international side Syd - I would have thought you would know that.}
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I think he made a point, but I also think that point is completely dated and uneducated.
He(Adnan) should be able to play for England if he feels in his heart that England is his home. (not saying he does or has said that)
just that nationality now a days is not always heredity, in cases it can come down to what's in your heart not your blood, for crying out loud at least 10% of us have an Irish grandparent let alone Irish blood in our veins. Not that that is bad, on the contrary.
Jack Wilshere comes out and shows ignorance and caters to the old fashion England supporter, with lines like ". think of England and you think they are brave and they tackle hard. We have to remember that."
now i'm sorry but I don't think of England and think 'hard tackling'. Football has changed, you all know that, this is a desperate plea to the public after his smoking incident, its soo transparent.
Just re read it and see how many times he(Jack) uses the word 'we' instead of 'I'.
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Sydney!, do you think Wilfred Zaha should only play for the Ivory Coast then? It Raheem Sterling for Jamaica? That's their countries of birth after all. Not many English were complaining when John Barnes was playing internationally with them.
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I couldn't care less about international football. But is Syd perhaps making a bid for a recently vacated leadership position?
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Benny, Zaha is English. He went to primary and secondary school in England. He has played for Crystal Palace since he was 8 or 9. He is English.
Sterling is English, he went to an English primary and secondary school. He was playing for QPR are 7 or 8 years old. He is English.
Adnan Januzaj was born in Belgium, he went to primary and secondary school in Belgium. He played for Anderlecht from a very young age. He has Kosovar-Albanian parents.
The only thing English about Adnan is that he plays for a English club. But then so does Valencia, so does Rafael, so does RvP.
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What's the point in having International football if we create this "transfer" style system of bringing in a load of foreigners at 15/16 just so they can play for our national team. Places like China, Russia, UAE will just buy youngsters and their families lock stock and barrel and we will end up with a national version of club football - whoever spends gets. Ridiculous. English born or English Parents should qualify you for England, nothing else.
I don't even think people like Mo Farrah should be representing GB when he runs though but that's just me. People that can't compete due to their countries being in turmoil or other reasons should represent a "Global Team" at things like the Olympics or even Football, that way the IOC or FIFA can invest some money in supporting their Global Team as opposed to pocketing it all.
I think that would be a really interesting idea to pursue, so Iranian women, Somalian women, refugees with talent can represent the Global teams in their respective fields and sponsors will pay a lot toward it as well as it looks good for them even if the governing bodies don't want to fund it.
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09 Oct 2013 01:19:04
It may well have been mentioned before, but here goes! There is always talk about the best league in the world, so I wonder if a representatives cup could be formed? Possibly a one of tournament where each league could enter a team of the best players from their own league! You may say it's hard to sort and teams would complain, but it really would pit the best players against each other!
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Shano I would love to see this happen every few years. imagine the teams available. la liga would be scary. cr7 and messi on the same side. maybe they could use it to sort out how many teams in each league get eu football. is it called the european co-efficient? not sure. as I said it would be awesome to watch but I don't see it happening, unless a mountain of money is involved.
who would be the strongest side? who would you pick for the epl team?
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They used to have this years ago The english league v others . Didn't it fade due to lack of interest?
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I think this would be a mint tournament.
its difficult to pick an EPL team
gk would be ddg or lloris. defence is easiest - Rafael, kompany, vertonghen, baines, but I'm having difficulty thinking of a decent holding player alongside toure. upfront I can, t think past aguero, Suarez, ozil and rvp
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I will take Vidic over Vertonghen. Carrick alongside toure would be interesting. I am biased:)
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