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26 Sep 2018 04:39:13
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25 Sep 2018 23:24:03
Does lampard deserve credit for how derby played but it the owners fans everyone but Jose fault for how u tied played?

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26 Sep 2018 00:00:41
Going out of the League Cup isn't the end of the world but the performance and manner of the defeat is very disappointing.

Some will argue that Derby were brilliant, that it was a fantastic performance, that they outplayed us for large periods and deserved their victory. The truth is we allowed them to play, we allowed them time and space on the ball, we allowed them to press and were sloppy in possession, we made them look good. One team played with their heart and soul the other looked disinterested. One team ran themselves into the ground, the other sauntered around the pitch. One team played with hunger and commitment the other treated it as a testimonial.

Make no mistake Utd are a better team than Derby but without hunger, desire, energy and commitment it's an uphill battle no matter who the opposition.

Throughout his two year tenure at Utd Mourinho has consistently failed to motivate his players for the mundane, less glamorous fixtures. Defeats to all the newly promoted teams last season, defeats at Bristol City and Sevilla paint their own depressing picture. This trend has continued this season with defeat at Brighton, home draw against Wolves and now defeat to a championship team.

I'm not sure the players have downed tools, a last minute equaliser with 10 men proves otherwise but the standard and quality of the football is poor. The tactics are dour and uninspiring. If Derby can play like 1970's Brazil then why can't Utd with much better players?

Mourinho is still a good coach but he's struggling to adapt at Club devoid of any real winners but refuse to play as underdogs. He has attempted to dampen expectation rather than embrace it. He's failed to impose his siege mentality. These current players don't want to fight the world, they refuse to go to war, the fans don't want to see dogged football. We aspire to be better than that. Winning at all costs or by any means are not synonymous with a Club than conquered Europe from the ashes of Munich playing with bravery, flair and imagination. We've seen tonight that it's possible for a team to play good football despite not having the best players. All that's required is a vision and commitment to play the game the right way and the bravery and courage to execute it. Since Fergi retired the emphasis has been about stopping the opposition rather than playing on the front foot. About avoiding defeat rather than winning, about not conceding rather than scoring, about defence rather than attack. We play with fear and self doubt rather than confidence and composure.

Mourinho is a winner but his methods are outdated and he's struggling to adapt to the modern player. The real men of football are a dying breed. Only the strongest thrive from constant criticism. Modern egos need massaging not provoking. They need to feel wanted and valued not used and abused, they are not a commodity to be cast aside so the manager can flex his muscles and score cheap points in the hope of provoking a reaction. All the mind games, relentless criticism, tough love must eventually become exhausting for even the toughest of characters.

Maybe Mourinho needs to leave Utd for the sake of his own career, for the sake of his own sanity and happiness. It's now even obvious to me one of his staunchest supporters that this marriage of convenience is coming to an end. There have been some good times, success even but it was never built to last.

For Utd the search continues.

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25 Sep 2018 22:19:31
Well that game was truly awful. Shambles of a performance. Can't blame the manager for players not being able to string two passes together. There's problems within this squad, I don't know what it is. We need to improve and fast.

For Yaz further down the page. I don't think it's unbelievable for me not to think much of a person who consistently grabs headlines with his comments, undermines his manager in public. Never shut his mouth about the club when he moved, and since he's returned has often talked about leaving. So yes I'm not exactly pogba's biggest fan at the moment. That's my opinion, and to be questioned as a fan for having an opinion is beyond me.

I'm going to take a break from posting on here guys. I'll still read every day, but I'm going to watch the season unfold and come back at some stage.

Keep well folks

Caolán.

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:25
Good post caolan. Time to get rid of both. Neither are a positive influence in the club. Sign a player that wants to be here and get a manager who will entertain us and get us loving football again. I honestly am not even surprised when we lose anymore. That’s the sad thing. I used to cancel everything to go to old Trafford. But nowadays that’s not the case. I just want to enjoy watching the club I love again.

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25 Sep 2018 22:34:16
Keep posting my friend, different opinions, anyone that knows anything about football can see what pogba is all about.

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25 Sep 2018 22:38:48
But it's the managers fault were playing this awful football.

It's his fault our attacking players don't attack anymore and it's his fault the team looks like they can't be arsed.

The motivation comes from the manager. he's a dinosaur.

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25 Sep 2018 22:53:21
He is also in charge of the training/ preparation. If they can't string two passes together then either the players shouldn't be playing or the manager is not doing his job. They could pass before he got hold of them, that's all we did under LVG!

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25 Sep 2018 22:54:10
Outclassed by wolves and derby in the space of 4 days at old Trafford.

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25 Sep 2018 22:56:50
Coalan, as Leahy says, keep posting my friend. I can't be arsed with them at present, but times will change, nothing lasts forever.

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25 Sep 2018 23:34:10
Consistently grab headlines? Has he ever independently issued pressers? He was asked his opinion and he obliged.

Why haven't you been complaining about Mourinho slating his players via same medium?


There is no player that wants to be under such a negative and toxic manager. Ed002 explained that Mourinho is friendly towards his players but he doesn't forgive and he keeps grudges which is bad for the players.


& you can't just use players' seeming demeanor to detect if they love the club or not. Just take Berbatov as an example. Different personas and temperament.

You guys act like these players are robots or insensitive.

Of course we know what Pogba is all about.

He said it.

He's about attack, desire to win.

He questioned playing defensively against teams like Wolves and now Derby


Last year we got kicked out by Bristol City - maybe you lot have forgotten.


We had only 3 shots on target today and almost every other match we've played in the last three years.


Martial plays beautifully one week and is benched for 5 more weeks.


At least, Pogba made a statement towards Mourinho, and you guys have all been on his neck. But last season after the exit to Sevilla in UCL what did Mourinho say? I ask you lot, what did he say?

He desecrated on the club, its fans and ethos.

He flirted with PSG through out last season. I didn't hear him give his respect and dedication towards staying at United until after PSG appointed Thomas Tichel.

Who amongst you gave a rats ass or even pretended that Mourinho was out of line? Who complained that Mourinho doesn't love the club or wasn't committed?

It's disheartening that football fans fail to grasp clear and unambiguous stuff.

I do accept that Pogba stepped out of the line. That the dressing room or tactics room is the best place for such a discussion.


He was asked a question regarding lack of attack and he said "WE ARE MAN UNITED, WE SHOULD COME OUT AND ATTACK. ESPECIALLY AT OLD TRAFFORD". He was asked why they didn't play that way and he said the manager should be asked not him.

How the £#&@ can anyone say he doesn't care about the club? He said "we".

And all you man chatting BS here about Pogba not coming out to dedicate himself to the club are high on something.

How is he going to dedicate himself to a club that tried to sell him all summer and a warring manager who never forgives or let go of a grudge?

Long story short, you can keep barking up the wrong tree but the problem is very easy to see.

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25 Sep 2018 23:29:09
Caolan if a team plays really well can you praise the manager?

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25 Sep 2018 22:18:27
I've supported Mourinho at every stage over the past 2 and a half years as manager of our club. Apart from the Seville game, when I wanted him gone.
I wanted Mourinho to work out, I thought there were signs of progression, well there were signs last year.

I'm afraid however it just has not worked out. Whether it's that he's lost the dressing room or whether his tactics belong to 10 years ago I don't really know.

All I do know is that I like many other fans am not getting any joy out of watching us and to my shame am starting to become less interested in us. I am not a fair weather fan, it actually pains me to see what has become of our club.

Don't get me wrong there are at least 10 players in our squad that should not be playing for us. Should not be wearing that legendary shirt.

Can anyone give me any sort of a silver lining please. This is spool depressing.

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25 Sep 2018 22:24:01
Jose isn't a fit for united.
Some of the players aren't a fit for united . Big changes needed and it's going to take time to sort it out .
No quick fix.

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25 Sep 2018 22:28:04
Simple answer no not a chance its only gonae get worse it is plain to see that mourinho has lost the dressing nobody wants to play for him apart from lukaku and matic and their not fit to wear the jersey in all my days of watching football I have never seen a striker with the worse first touch in all my days he's absolutely pathetic.

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:38
Jose cost too much to sack, he said it himself not long back. It ain't happening.

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25 Sep 2018 22:40:17
To be fair to lukaku he may miss a few chances but so would I if I was feeding of scraps I would forget what scoring a goal was like.

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25 Sep 2018 23:11:47
That's all you get in this team is scraps because we don't play attacking football so he has to be able to make his own chances when he gets a chance but he can't because his first touch is so bad.
He keeps saying he learns everyday off Henry and drogba I want to know what it is he's learned because to me he's getting worse I will say right now when we get rid of jose whoever comes in will get rid of him the first chance they get.

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26 Sep 2018 01:33:01
If we sack Mourinho, who is to say that the board will back any other manager with buying the premium players and model pros that we have been lacking in the squad, which they chickened out of buying him this summer? What if the same thing happens but we just get a manager with less backbone who doesn't have the strength to overcome player apathy and board lethargy?

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25 Sep 2018 22:17:18
Always been a fan of jose’s But I think tonight has shown he cannot get a tune out of these players. He has taken us as far as he can unfortunately. We need to make a change fast before our season completely slips away. Not sure who can do a job but I’m sure zidane would get these boys playing and looking like they enjoy their football. I want Jose to succeed so badly but sometimes in life you have to admit it just isn’t meant to be.

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25 Sep 2018 22:23:39
Let's look at the positives park. We can now concentrate on winning the triple.

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25 Sep 2018 21:28:57
Is Jose doing a good job?

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25 Sep 2018 21:56:37
It's Pogba's fault Jred.

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25 Sep 2018 22:17:02
Pogba had a shocker, it was like he wasn't even there tonight.

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{Ed025's Note - love it shappy..

25 Sep 2018 22:38:14
He was in the stands.

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25 Sep 2018 22:58:52
Hahahaha, nice one Shappy.

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25 Sep 2018 23:11:49
In the stands in his white tracksuit in like rashers and perierra who were in United tracksuit #biggerthantheclub.

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25 Sep 2018 21:05:17
Half time. I thought we were playing a Championship team at home, but we seem to be playing Man City or a team of that ilk!

We score a fantastic team goal. But we are now officially a counter-attacking team, Derby look more Utd than we do. I just don't get it. We are just so happy to let them have the ball, we either attack at speed and look a threat or (most of the time) have pointless confused posession and end up losing it to a far more energetic Derby.

Lukaku missing two sitters again.

Martial playing well. No one really playing awful, but Derby look the better team. Like every team does that comes to Old Trafford. Hope we lift it 2nd half, most of these players have a point to prove and are playing for places.

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25 Sep 2018 21:28:35
Could Romero look less bothered about being sent off?

This was coming, truly awful this second half. We have a team of top class Internationals out there.

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25 Sep 2018 21:32:56
My sympathy is with the thousands that travelled there in a week night and watched the game live!

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26 Sep 2018 01:42:12
Exactly, Beast. We still aren't a team.

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25 Sep 2018 18:40:51
If latest reports are true, (Jose telling the squad Pogba will not be captaining the club again) then that's one major positive of the season, the love Pogba had from the fans last season, or since he re-joined, has disappeared immensely, makes Neymar seem like a humble person. He talks s*** way too much, doesn't perform anywhere near consistently enough, and to be honest i genuinely cannot wait to see the back of him, creates more drama than anything.

And lastly, no player should ever undermine the Utd manager (whoever it is) like Pogba's tried doing to Jose on multiple occassions this season, sends out the perfect message to the current players and future players that no-one is bigger than the club. Sell him in January i say, rather have Fellaini who gives his all every game, might not be the best, but at least he's not a disease like Pogba. The day player power takes over the club is gone, let's hope Jose doesn't let that happen whilst he's here.

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25 Sep 2018 18:59:14
That's bang on Scholes, when player power wins, like it did at Chelsea, you'll be in even more trouble than you already are, get rid of Pogba before you do Jose.

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25 Sep 2018 19:15:52
I agree with this post. But my only worry is pogba will be here longer than Jose as he could be viewed as a cash cow. I hope the board stand with Jose on this one. Ed002 spot on again.

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25 Sep 2018 19:35:18
I think they'll both be gone at the end of the season Caolan. Pogba's genuinely been fantastic in getting the fans turning on him, fairplay to him for doing something, shame it's off the pitch. A year ago, every single one of us would back Pogba after poor games, but these comments are too much, au revoir Paul.

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25 Sep 2018 21:49:29
You guys are unbelievable, lol. Turning on a player who not only had his foundation but is also a United supporter.

What makes you think you're more of a fan than some of these players who not only support the team they play for but also have their status intertwined with the success of the team?

BTW, how's the game going? Hope now that Pogba is not on the pitch we're playing better.

You guys surprise me, it's like people just watch football but are oblivious of the game. Wolves, Derby, Watford all play is like we are the small team and they are united.

Unbelievable!

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25 Sep 2018 22:23:41
After this detby game, i am starting to think paul pogba isn't the problem here.

Just like hazard wasnt the problem at chelsea when mourinho got sacked.

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25 Sep 2018 23:00:13
Ah! I think so too DSG, hopefully we'll move forward.

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25 Sep 2018 23:17:36
Was what pogba said actually right?
We have just sat with 10 behind the ball against derby.

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26 Sep 2018 01:43:57
A couple of rotten apples can spoil the barrel, even if they aren't always on the pitch.

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Review Of The Day 25th September 2018

25 Sep 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 25th September 2018

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25 Sep 2018 18:03:46
Always interesting stuff Ed, beats the same old tripe in the newspapers that's repeated ad nauseum.

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{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

24 Sep 2018 12:25:31
Wow, nice to see pogba letting everyone know 'attack' should have been the primary thought on joses' mind when playing at home! -seems he really does want to be jumping on a plane in january for pastures new! -and yes, you can say he's just answering a question honestly and expressing his feelings, but surely as club captain (if it meant anything to him) he'd have toed the club line with diplomacy?, i bet his agents' phone is blowing up right now, mission disloyalty continues-yet another dressing room battle for jose, does he reprimand him or put his hand round his shoulder, either way its catch 22.

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24 Sep 2018 13:41:59
Classof82,

He isn't club captain. Also, everything he says is blown up so much it is ridiculous, did he say anything the rest of us aren't thinking? He thinks we should attack and take the game to teams at OT, hardly controversial.

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24 Sep 2018 15:24:38
GDS2-Fair point, but surely even in his deluded world he must realise his comments aren't exactly helping matters, whether you like jose or not, you have to admit he has indulged pogba far more than most managers would, bearing in mind there seems to be the sense of the team starting to tick means any comments should be of a positive nature for the good of the team, but maybe i'm wrong so hands up, my bad.

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24 Sep 2018 18:03:31
The comments bug me tbh honest everything seemed to be settling down the with one quote here we go again.

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24 Sep 2018 20:16:59
After Pogba's pathetic lack of commitment on Saturday he would be wiser to keep his mouth shut. We as fans can SEE him not bothering to put a shift in.

One sublime but of skill is not enough.

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24 Sep 2018 21:20:22
I think when pressed on why United did not adopt a more positive, his comments where worse .

"I can't tell you because I'm a player, " said Pogba. "It's not me.

"I am not the manager, I cannot, like, say that, but obviously we should show more options of playing.

"But I cannot say that, because I'm a player. That's my way of thinking - we should move better. We should move more, yeah. "


Then again if the manager is happy to critise a player to the media is it a shock if a player mentions the manager to the media?

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24 Sep 2018 21:36:08
Engineering himself a January move by any chance?

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24 Sep 2018 21:50:52
The unfortunate thing is that pogba is a very good player. Just not good enough often enough for us.
The more unfortunate thing is that he seems a mutinous little person as well.
He really needs to shut his mouth until he starts doing the very least that he is paid to do. I. e. give 100% every minute of every game for the fans that pay their hard earned money to watch him kick around a pigskin.

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25 Sep 2018 07:00:07
Sounds to me like Pogba wants things done his way, how he sees them or it is part of his agitating to get out. There is a huge difference between the manager commenting and a player. Pogba is a player and needs to do what he is told by the manager, end of. Frankly, he needs to keep his mouth shut and start performing to the standard he is paid for. Pogba is a player who was softly dispossessed leading to the Wolves goal so is in no position to mouth off about anything, actually he should be apologising.

He needs to be fined and put back in his place but selected to play until he earns the respect and shows that he is the player he, in his head, thinks he is. He seems to have been selective when he puts the effort in and that needs to change. You play football with your head and feet not your mouth.

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25 Sep 2018 07:18:32
In fairness, you do play with your mouth. Vocal communication is an essential skill for a top class player.

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25 Sep 2018 12:13:05
There is a time and place to mouth off and that is certainly not infront of the media.

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25 Sep 2018 18:38:37
An advice the manager would do well to remember Singh.

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25 Sep 2018 21:11:54
Good point Jred. The players shouldn't criticise or even hint at it against the manager, but he continually has a go at the players publicly so how can he complain. Stems from the manager IMO.

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:44
Willgreen

If you think it is ok for team members to talk out against a manager it just shows a lack of understanding at how the dynamics of management works.

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{Ed025's Note - it has to work both ways though red man, jose trashing his players in public is also wrong, "something is rotten in the state of denmark" mate..as the bard would say..

25 Sep 2018 22:47:34
Ed0025
There is a big problem at the club but it has been there for years, the same stench pervaded Old Trafford in the early seventies. Change is needed from top down, it needs shaking up and the manager is trying to do that. Mourinho hasn’t been perfect but there is no way you put a player above a manager. If the club chose a player over a manager it undermines the managers position, they undermined the manager in summer and if they do it again over Pogba the manager will or should quite rightly walk away. Am off to bed as up for work early but the principle has to stand or a lot more will break down.

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{Ed025's Note - i get that red man but the manager has to set a president mate, as you say the club is rotten to the core and it needs more than just a new manager..

25 Sep 2018 23:20:51
Manager sets the example.

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