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26 Sep 2018 10:29:16
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26 Sep 2018 10:15:00
“When jones stepped up i knew we were in trouble”

Great motivational words there by jose, should do his confidence the world of good.

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26 Sep 2018 10:26:12
not really got to do with his 'quality' (which he severely lacks) but his body language, looked scared when he was walking towards the box.

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26 Sep 2018 09:57:04
It has been apparent for several years that we lack true leaders like Keane and Neville. I like Mata Herrera and Fellini because generally they have passion for the badge but they are not true leaders. Pogba is not a natural leader. He is guilty of being too self focused but in the right team is fantastic. Jones and Smalling try hard but at the top level are not good enough. Matic is a good screen in front but he does not have the legs to consistently get up and down the pitch to help the midfield set up attacks. We need a midfield general who will dictate play and challenge and inspire the others. Pogba is just not that type of player. Blaming him for all our ills is unfair. Imagine him in City or Chelsea or Liverpool teams. He would be far more effective. We do not know what players Jose really wanted and could not get. As a commentator said last night he must have looked misty eyed at Frank Lampard who is exactly the type of player we lack. What is more serious is that with the first team struggling so badly he cannot take chances and blood our youngsters so their development will stall too. Long term the consequences of what is happening are troubling. Short term even Rashford is not progressing and he is undoubtedly talented and performs for England. The team showed desire last night when down to 10 men but the truth is that as a rule they just seem to lack a killer instinct. You can see how that frustrates Jose in his interviews. I really do not know how he can change this mess. If we go Gung ho with the defence and midfield not playing properly we will be picked off. If he tries to shore up defence it blunts the attack. I really do think we have a talented squad and need maybe two players to make the break though but don't know who is available.

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26 Sep 2018 09:40:37
Well the season is played out in my opinion. I don't think we will see anything different from what we've seen so far.

I mean why would we? We have the same players, the same manager and the same tactics. Jose will not change his ideas or style. There will be no Eureka moment.

We will win games when we are efficient with the few chances we create, we will struggle if we don't. We will look suspect defensively, especially at set plays or when caught on the break. Our style of sitting back and inviting pressure will mean defensive mistakes are more likely to happen and are more likely to be critical when they do.

We approach every game the same way whether it's a European champion side or a lower league side. Our approach doesn't change whether we are playing away or at home.

Sit deep, tight and compact and hit teams on the counter.

The problem is I don't think we have the players to do that effectively like say Atletico Madrid do. We also don't have the fans to accept that way of playing. As a club our fans have become used to playing a certain way. Acting like the under dog at home to a lower league team just isn't acceptable.

This means that every poor result will be blown out of proportion. It is a to of mix that will not end well.

I'm not saying we need to sack Mourinho now. But I am saying we should never have hired him in the first place. He was always a poor fit. If truth be told how many of us now would have been prepared to have LvG for one more year if it meant we got Allegri last season?

This is a terrible state of affairs the club finds itself in at the moment. A snap decision has caused damage to the club, that decision was brought about by the fans.

Yes Mourinho isn't the right man for the job. But the next guy absolutely has to be. That is a decision that shouldn't be rushed, that needs time and planning. And now as fans we have to be patient.

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{Ed002's Note - You don't want to lose sight of the fact that this was a one off draw with a progressive Championship club and no more than that.}

26 Sep 2018 10:08:52
It's a bit more than that now to be honest Ed. Three defeats to the newly promoted sides last season and defeat to Bristol City in the league cup, already an away defeat to Brighton, home draw with Wolves and last nights embarrassment demonstrate this was no one off.

The football is slow, insipid and unimaginative at best. I agree with Shappy we sit deep sit deep, have numbers behind the ball but show no desire to close down or win it back. We give other teams time and space and let them play. There has been no progression in the style of play and watching Utd theses days has become akin to watching paint dry.

I like Mourinho I can't understand why it's not working but as we've seen last night if Darby can play good stuff with fluidity and imagination whilst still working like dogs I see no reason why Utd can't do the same. The only conclusion I can draw is the players are following the managers instructions and tactics and he's failing to motivate them. We all know we've got no chance of winning the league already. We're now out of the League Cup. If the best we can hope for this season is 4th place then at least we can try to get there without boring us all to tears and tearing our hair out most weeks.

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{Ed002's Note - Whilst last season is of no consequence, this is all the result a massive self-inflicted wound caused by the toxic fans. You all knew this would be the eventual result of putting aside the well founded plans and making this appointment. It certainly does not help having a couple of players in the side who want out, but the club are going to smart at the cost of bring players in as prices are looking upward at the higher end. The worst possible situation would now to be price players out of a move - Pogba being an exaple.}

26 Sep 2018 10:16:33
And Saturday was a 'one off draw' against a mid-table prem team, a few weeks before it was a one off loss against relegation fodder in BHA. Also a dismantling at home by a Spurs team that looks out of sorts this season.

I strongly believed we would get beat yesterday pre-game - we were the worse team with 11 men on the pitch as well and the game played out performance wise how I expected - it shouldn't have surprised anybody that has been watching us for the past 3 years.

We got knocked out of last seasons CL by a Sevilla in turmoil at the time barely landing a punch. These performances are typical, but now even weak teams feel disappointed not taking maximum points from us (or dispatching us in cups), especially at OT.

We have had a favourable start fixture wise this season, yet look like going nowhere fast (compared to expectations) . I agree with Shappy 99% of us now could accurately predict how we will play each match and the same percentage will walk away feeling underwhelmed by the inevitable stale performance. A few will love it still, but they see the game through different eyes and are in the ever decreasing minority.

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26 Sep 2018 08:56:26
I was at the game last night, fantastic free flowing for the first goal, exactly how we should be attacking and then that tempo and intent just went away, it turned into a mess of a performance after that. Loose passes, poor control, glaring misses from Lukaku, once again we only looked to pass forward when Fellaini came on the pitch and I never thought I'd say that. Truth is Derby outplayed us and aswell as they played it's a truly worrying sign when you get outplayed at OT by championship opposition. I honestly don't know whose to blame, those poor passes and misses aren't Joses fault, we should've been 3-0 up and game over before that wonder free kick but I was directly in line with the United attack second half and there was ZERO movement, if Lukaku didn't move there was nothing, the crowd made that second goal come when we lifted the team and so Jose must take a lot of the blame for the lack of any cohesion and style and attacking intent whatsoever, the players must take a lot of the blame for not killing the game off when they could have, not a great mix and one that's going to lead to a happy ending as we, jose and the players all grow frustrated with each other.
West Ham away Saturday is truly must win as this ticking bomb cannot continue.

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26 Sep 2018 10:02:28
The amount of passes behind the player, as in not enough pace, last night was incredible. Every second pass seen 1 of our players break stride, or even take a step or 2 backwards just to receive the ball? Is this laziness/ lack of concentration / lethargy or just down right sloppiness? ( or a combo of them all)

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Review Of The Day 26th September 2018

26 Sep 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 26th September 2018

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26 Sep 2018 07:07:14
Defending Mourinho is because near enough impossible now and I think a sacking is around the corner. It'd be a shame, I wanted it to work and I've always admired Mourinho for the results he's achieved over the years. Maybe this was a step too far, maybe the ethos of those involved doesn't fit, there's no shame in that. Zidane's record is exemplary and I think he would be my top pick of those available, alternatively Luis Enrique would get us on the track of attacking football. Not so keen on the Conte, Simeone or Allegri rumours and to have Carrick so high in the betting is ridiculous.

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26 Sep 2018 08:35:18
I think people will have to endure more of this i don't see any intent from the club to sack jose. Under lvg it wasnt till top 4 was settled that he was sacked. I think everyone needs to sit back n think its a long season and jose is going to be manager of it weather us fans like it or not.

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26 Sep 2018 09:23:40
This is the way for the rest of the season folks!
Even another change of personel and/ or manager will need time to get rid of dire habits.

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26 Sep 2018 09:47:16
Zidane yeahhh. No just no.

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25 Sep 2018 23:24:03
Does lampard deserve credit for how derby played but it the owners fans everyone but Jose fault for how u tied played?

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26 Sep 2018 10:19:51
Frank showed that he has been studying. I don't think Jose has studied for 20 years. It's what happens when ego-maniacs reach the top, they stop trying to improve and blame everyone but themselves. The few people that have the ego and still aspire to improve are the ones that are remembered for all time for their entire career performance, with a few exceptions.

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26 Sep 2018 00:00:41
Going out of the League Cup isn't the end of the world but the performance and manner of the defeat is very disappointing.

Some will argue that Derby were brilliant, that it was a fantastic performance, that they outplayed us for large periods and deserved their victory. The truth is we allowed them to play, we allowed them time and space on the ball, we allowed them to press and were sloppy in possession, we made them look good. One team played with their heart and soul the other looked disinterested. One team ran themselves into the ground, the other sauntered around the pitch. One team played with hunger and commitment the other treated it as a testimonial.

Make no mistake Utd are a better team than Derby but without hunger, desire, energy and commitment it's an uphill battle no matter who the opposition.

Throughout his two year tenure at Utd Mourinho has consistently failed to motivate his players for the mundane, less glamorous fixtures. Defeats to all the newly promoted teams last season, defeats at Bristol City and Sevilla paint their own depressing picture. This trend has continued this season with defeat at Brighton, home draw against Wolves and now defeat to a championship team.

I'm not sure the players have downed tools, a last minute equaliser with 10 men proves otherwise but the standard and quality of the football is poor. The tactics are dour and uninspiring. If Derby can play like 1970's Brazil then why can't Utd with much better players?

Mourinho is still a good coach but he's struggling to adapt at Club devoid of any real winners but refuse to play as underdogs. He has attempted to dampen expectation rather than embrace it. He's failed to impose his siege mentality. These current players don't want to fight the world, they refuse to go to war, the fans don't want to see dogged football. We aspire to be better than that. Winning at all costs or by any means are not synonymous with a Club than conquered Europe from the ashes of Munich playing with bravery, flair and imagination. We've seen tonight that it's possible for a team to play good football despite not having the best players. All that's required is a vision and commitment to play the game the right way and the bravery and courage to execute it. Since Fergi retired the emphasis has been about stopping the opposition rather than playing on the front foot. About avoiding defeat rather than winning, about not conceding rather than scoring, about defence rather than attack. We play with fear and self doubt rather than confidence and composure.

Mourinho is a winner but his methods are outdated and he's struggling to adapt to the modern player. The real men of football are a dying breed. Only the strongest thrive from constant criticism. Modern egos need massaging not provoking. They need to feel wanted and valued not used and abused, they are not a commodity to be cast aside so the manager can flex his muscles and score cheap points in the hope of provoking a reaction. All the mind games, relentless criticism, tough love must eventually become exhausting for even the toughest of characters.

Maybe Mourinho needs to leave Utd for the sake of his own career, for the sake of his own sanity and happiness. It's now even obvious to me one of his staunchest supporters that this marriage of convenience is coming to an end. There have been some good times, success even but it was never built to last.

For Utd the search continues.

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26 Sep 2018 08:21:54
DLIB

Excellent post covering everything. After dropping points at home to Wolves a home game against Derby is just what the doctor ordered to get Wolves out of your system. No disrespect to Derby but that Manchester United should be beating them at home and not allowing them play and dictate the game.

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26 Sep 2018 08:59:26
Great post mate.

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25 Sep 2018 22:19:31
Well that game was truly awful. Shambles of a performance. Can't blame the manager for players not being able to string two passes together. There's problems within this squad, I don't know what it is. We need to improve and fast.

For Yaz further down the page. I don't think it's unbelievable for me not to think much of a person who consistently grabs headlines with his comments, undermines his manager in public. Never shut his mouth about the club when he moved, and since he's returned has often talked about leaving. So yes I'm not exactly pogba's biggest fan at the moment. That's my opinion, and to be questioned as a fan for having an opinion is beyond me.

I'm going to take a break from posting on here guys. I'll still read every day, but I'm going to watch the season unfold and come back at some stage.

Keep well folks

Caolán.

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:25
Good post caolan. Time to get rid of both. Neither are a positive influence in the club. Sign a player that wants to be here and get a manager who will entertain us and get us loving football again. I honestly am not even surprised when we lose anymore. That’s the sad thing. I used to cancel everything to go to old Trafford. But nowadays that’s not the case. I just want to enjoy watching the club I love again.

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25 Sep 2018 22:34:16
Keep posting my friend, different opinions, anyone that knows anything about football can see what pogba is all about.

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25 Sep 2018 22:38:48
But it's the managers fault were playing this awful football.

It's his fault our attacking players don't attack anymore and it's his fault the team looks like they can't be arsed.

The motivation comes from the manager. he's a dinosaur.

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25 Sep 2018 22:53:21
He is also in charge of the training/ preparation. If they can't string two passes together then either the players shouldn't be playing or the manager is not doing his job. They could pass before he got hold of them, that's all we did under LVG!

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25 Sep 2018 22:54:10
Outclassed by wolves and derby in the space of 4 days at old Trafford.

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25 Sep 2018 22:56:50
Coalan, as Leahy says, keep posting my friend. I can't be arsed with them at present, but times will change, nothing lasts forever.

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25 Sep 2018 23:34:10
Consistently grab headlines? Has he ever independently issued pressers? He was asked his opinion and he obliged.

Why haven't you been complaining about Mourinho slating his players via same medium?


There is no player that wants to be under such a negative and toxic manager. Ed002 explained that Mourinho is friendly towards his players but he doesn't forgive and he keeps grudges which is bad for the players.


& you can't just use players' seeming demeanor to detect if they love the club or not. Just take Berbatov as an example. Different personas and temperament.

You guys act like these players are robots or insensitive.

Of course we know what Pogba is all about.

He said it.

He's about attack, desire to win.

He questioned playing defensively against teams like Wolves and now Derby


Last year we got kicked out by Bristol City - maybe you lot have forgotten.


We had only 3 shots on target today and almost every other match we've played in the last three years.


Martial plays beautifully one week and is benched for 5 more weeks.


At least, Pogba made a statement towards Mourinho, and you guys have all been on his neck. But last season after the exit to Sevilla in UCL what did Mourinho say? I ask you lot, what did he say?

He desecrated on the club, its fans and ethos.

He flirted with PSG through out last season. I didn't hear him give his respect and dedication towards staying at United until after PSG appointed Thomas Tichel.

Who amongst you gave a rats ass or even pretended that Mourinho was out of line? Who complained that Mourinho doesn't love the club or wasn't committed?

It's disheartening that football fans fail to grasp clear and unambiguous stuff.

I do accept that Pogba stepped out of the line. That the dressing room or tactics room is the best place for such a discussion.


He was asked a question regarding lack of attack and he said "WE ARE MAN UNITED, WE SHOULD COME OUT AND ATTACK. ESPECIALLY AT OLD TRAFFORD". He was asked why they didn't play that way and he said the manager should be asked not him.

How the £#&@ can anyone say he doesn't care about the club? He said "we".

And all you man chatting BS here about Pogba not coming out to dedicate himself to the club are high on something.

How is he going to dedicate himself to a club that tried to sell him all summer and a warring manager who never forgives or let go of a grudge?

Long story short, you can keep barking up the wrong tree but the problem is very easy to see.

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25 Sep 2018 23:29:09
Caolan if a team plays really well can you praise the manager?

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26 Sep 2018 08:59:28
Jred how often have we played really well?

No one would be complaining if we couldn't see that we are trying to play a style of football but as it stands for 3 years we have played football that is boring and negative


We look lost and disinterested.

I've stuck up for the manager but it's getting to the point where u have to say enough is enough.

60 minutes into games we are resorting to hoof ball there is no ideas on the pitch.

It's negative and it's depressing to watch.

The players may well have to take the blame as much as the manager but guaranteed the likes of klopp and pep would have this team attacking.

3 shots on target at home against a lower team is a joke.

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25 Sep 2018 22:18:27
I've supported Mourinho at every stage over the past 2 and a half years as manager of our club. Apart from the Seville game, when I wanted him gone.
I wanted Mourinho to work out, I thought there were signs of progression, well there were signs last year.

I'm afraid however it just has not worked out. Whether it's that he's lost the dressing room or whether his tactics belong to 10 years ago I don't really know.

All I do know is that I like many other fans am not getting any joy out of watching us and to my shame am starting to become less interested in us. I am not a fair weather fan, it actually pains me to see what has become of our club.

Don't get me wrong there are at least 10 players in our squad that should not be playing for us. Should not be wearing that legendary shirt.

Can anyone give me any sort of a silver lining please. This is spool depressing.

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25 Sep 2018 22:24:01
Jose isn't a fit for united.
Some of the players aren't a fit for united . Big changes needed and it's going to take time to sort it out .
No quick fix.

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25 Sep 2018 22:28:04
Simple answer no not a chance its only gonae get worse it is plain to see that mourinho has lost the dressing nobody wants to play for him apart from lukaku and matic and their not fit to wear the jersey in all my days of watching football I have never seen a striker with the worse first touch in all my days he's absolutely pathetic.

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25 Sep 2018 22:30:38
Jose cost too much to sack, he said it himself not long back. It ain't happening.

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25 Sep 2018 22:40:17
To be fair to lukaku he may miss a few chances but so would I if I was feeding of scraps I would forget what scoring a goal was like.

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25 Sep 2018 23:11:47
That's all you get in this team is scraps because we don't play attacking football so he has to be able to make his own chances when he gets a chance but he can't because his first touch is so bad.
He keeps saying he learns everyday off Henry and drogba I want to know what it is he's learned because to me he's getting worse I will say right now when we get rid of jose whoever comes in will get rid of him the first chance they get.

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26 Sep 2018 01:33:01
If we sack Mourinho, who is to say that the board will back any other manager with buying the premium players and model pros that we have been lacking in the squad, which they chickened out of buying him this summer? What if the same thing happens but we just get a manager with less backbone who doesn't have the strength to overcome player apathy and board lethargy?

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26 Sep 2018 09:02:01
It's not about buying players we have the players already to play a style of football that's not 15 years out of date.

The manager is a dinosaur and is up his own rear to adjust and change for the sake of his own pride.

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26 Sep 2018 09:06:52
Have you ever considered that some of the player apathy might be down to the Special One And his outdated methods?

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