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15 Nov 2018 23:22:49
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15 Nov 2018 21:45:00
Right iwill say it, Rooney has been amazing any chance in Jan ed 😂.

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{Ed025's Note - no deano, but he is the best player on the pitch by a distance mate..

15 Nov 2018 22:04:13
Still got it, nice to see.

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15 Nov 2018 17:09:09
So who's going to be sponsoring VAR? got to be an electronics company right?

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15 Nov 2018 17:52:31
Carlsberg.

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15 Nov 2018 19:50:22
Vladi.

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15 Nov 2018 19:55:27
Specsavers?

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15 Nov 2018 20:53:57
Abu dhabi.

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15 Nov 2018 16:39:50
VAR to be used in premier league from 2019-20,too much of Technology is going to kill all the fun.

Anyone agrees?

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15 Nov 2018 17:12:49
Nope, anything that can improve the quality of officiating is a huge benefit, unless you think the current standard of officiating is good enough?

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15 Nov 2018 17:20:12
Var will improve the game 100% just give it time.

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15 Nov 2018 17:47:51
I think its a big step forward for the game as a whole.

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15 Nov 2018 19:33:17
I never understood the argument they used to put forward for not introducing technology into football at the highest level. When they said they wanted to keep the pinnacle of the game as close to grassroots as possible.

As if when I used to play at the park or on the common used to be anything like the pinnacle of the game.

We never had enough players, we had no officials, no kits, no pitch markings, no goalposts. Just a ball, half a dozen lads and jumpers for goalpost. We tended to play games of two a side with one goal and one keeper and all sides shooting at the same goal.

I would love to see that format for the world cup final.

In modern football, we have sports scientists working on getting the most out of players, video replay, satellite tracking, dieticians, world class doctors and surgeons, pitches with undersoil heating, groundsmen maintaining the playing surface within very strict parameters, the pitches themselves are as high tech as my first PC.

Millions, billions of pounds spent to take every aspect of football the the peak of its existence.

Yet we still expect a referee to manage with no new tools to help him in over 100 years. Whistle, cards, notebook, pencil and coin.

In the times it taken him to sort out any on field issues the rest of the world have been privy to 4 or 5 replays from varying and in many cases impossible angles for an official to see from, slow-mo and the latest in computer software to check what is still unclear to the named eye on a slow-mo replay.

If we have access to all this technology then why shouldn't the man in charge of making the key decisions have it?

Its ridiculous that it's taken this long to introduce it in football. They have had it in rugby for many years. And they have managed it on a 20th of the budget that football has.

The problem of course is that football is run by the same group of dry dusty old white upper class busy bodies for the last 50 years. People who see the past in sepia blurred nostalgia. Who have spent the last 50 years trying to get football back to what it used to be, while selling it's soul for as much as they can grab and stash away for themselves.

Apparently EPL clubs have been asked to donate 250k each to Mr Scudamores golden handshake. That's a total of 5m.

These old codgers have kept football, especially English football stuck in the past rather than embracing the future.

The introduction of VAR is a much welcomed step into the future.

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{Ed025's Note - cracking post that shappy mate..

15 Nov 2018 21:19:34
It will obviously make it more stop start and it will still be full of mistakes because it will still be interpreted by the same officials.

I don't think it will work, but we'll see.

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15 Nov 2018 16:07:52
Can we talk about Jose Mourinho's player of the year from last season?

Scott McTominay, where has he gone?

I thought Mourinho was holding Scott up as proof that he can bring young players through and develop them.

Yet this season he is behind Matic, Pogba, Fellaini, Herrera, Fred and Andreas Pareira.

So is he this great young player Mourinho has moulded, or was he just the stick used to beat Pogba with by our manager?

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15 Nov 2018 16:44:18
Everything comes down to our defenders finally, SAF once said " Defense will win you titles", and now we know why.

Our defenders have zero confidence when they have the ball, we start poorly from the back and the same is matched upfront by or Strikers.

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15 Nov 2018 17:31:40
Footballers are on the whole confidence sportsmen. When their confidence is high they perform well, when it is low they struggle.

Players are also more sensitive now then they were in the 70/ 80's, probably because they aren't in a constant state of inebriation now.

As such when your manager constantly tells the world press he wanted to sign a new defender because he doesn't think the ones he has are good enough it is likely to erode their confidence some what.

Also there seems to be something strange happening between Mourinho and Bailly. Bailly is our best defender and yet he can't get a game. He has had one or two below par performances recently, yet he seemed out of favour prior to those poorer performances.

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15 Nov 2018 18:37:01
Shappy

Using McTominay as a stick to beat Pogba?

Not that you are trying to use McTominay as a stick to beat Mourinho of course, but I seem to recall McTominay had a period of injury and without checking I think wasn’t availability until at least the Juventus game, no idea if fit now. If Mourinho praises a player it is a stick for Pogba, if he criticises he is knocking their confidence, if he says anything about anyone it’s wrong, insert insult.

If defenders fall apart at a bit of criticism then they are not for Manchester United. Something strange happening with the Manager and Bailly, really? Perhaps Bailly just isn’t concentrating, maybe there is something else in his life taking his focus away. One or two below par performances, seriously? No, he was plain awful more than once. Quite rightly you have to earn your place, he is paid and should be chomping at the bit.

This isn’t just about confidence in defenders, hence it’s Mourinho, sorry nasty Mourinho who has taken all their confidence away, it’s about leadership and quality and our central defenders lack it. I don’t see Real Madrid knocking on the door for Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Bailly and co, there is a reason, they are not leaders on or off the pitch.

I recognise your anguish, I felt it every day with Moyes, yet there was no CV or honours there to back up the appointment. I think we have to suck up the poor time at the moment, the Exec VC should ask for the Managers plans, appraise them and decide support or sack. Support and he gets the players he wants in summer and stays next season. If not he has to go, but that will bring about a world of pain right now because we have no direction and we could speed off over the cliff, whilst our opponents laugh and toxics start all over again.

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15 Nov 2018 19:30:11
Really good post redman.

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15 Nov 2018 20:28:02
Did ed not say he was likely to go out on loan.

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15 Nov 2018 22:42:38
I think he needs to go out on loan to get some game time. He did well at times for us last season without ever being standout. He has a lot of good attributes to have a good career.

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15 Nov 2018 23:12:08
Ken
I'm not convinced to be honest, if he goes out on loan in Jan I would be pleasantly surprised to see him back at United.

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Review Of The Day 15th November 2018

15 Nov 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th November 2018

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Edgar Davids

14 Nov 2018 18:08:08
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Edgar Davids

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14 Nov 2018 19:37:22
What a player he was one of my all time favourite.

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15 Nov 2018 06:41:22
A player i would have loved at Utd.

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15 Nov 2018 08:27:37
Wonderful player. Even though rated by many, in some ways he was very underrated. Interesting to hear his impact at Barcelona ed. Did not know he had that much influence on xavi and Iniesta. The midfield of him and zidane at Juve was perfect. Struggle to think of a better duo.

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15 Nov 2018 10:53:46
Keane and Scholes was better.

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15 Nov 2018 14:30:46
Probably right 12days. 4 unbelievable players in Keane, Scholes, Davids and zidane.

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14 Nov 2018 11:47:06
There is a point that keeps coming up and I would like to address it. A lot of people, especially those who feel Mourinho can do no wrong want to shift most if not all of the blame on to the players.

The narrative is they are spoilt, lazy and have had too much too young. They aren't prepared to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in. People are point to statistics about distanced covered, number of sprints ect ect as evidence that our players aren't putting in the required effort.

Now I find it hard to disagree, clearly are players aren't putting in 100% effort. Maybe, as seen in a post from Ed002 on the rumour page. Many of our players are looking to leave. So it is hardly surprising they aren't putting in fully committed performances if they aren't fully committed to the club.

Now we have to ask why are they not motivated, why are they not working hard and why don't they want to be at the club.

As a club we have history, prestige and we pay some of the highest wages in world football. Sure to many not nationals Manchester is hardly the most appealing place to live. Yet Man City don't seem to have the same problem convincing players to live and stay in Manchester.

So there must be another reason. Now we aren't looking likely to win anything anytime soon, yet this squad have in recent times won the FA cup, the league cup and the Europa League. Sure these aren't the biggest trophies that players dream about winning, yet it shows that the quality is there to compete for silverware and even win it. As long as the players are playing to their potential and are fully committed.

So this brings us down to the working conditions they find themselves in at the club, questions like playing time, playing style, actively working to improve the players and a generally happy atmosphere around the club.

These things are less easy to understand or define. They are subjective, and as such mean different things to different people. The importance a person places on it carries varying weight.

However, clearly something is amiss within our squad at the moment.

Now many people feel it is the younger generation, they aren't prepared to work hard, they have had too much too young, millionaires by their 21st birthday and a air of self importance about themselves. Yet if this was truly the case then it would be the same for every manager around the world, no teams would be putting in effort, or working hard.

Yet, we know this isn't the case. Liverpool's players work incredibly hard both on an off the pitch. As do Cities, and Spurs and Chelsea's and even Arsenals are showing renewed work rate and determination this season. So around the EPL there doesn't seem to be a serious or even a minor problem of players not being prepared to work hard.

So why don't our players share the same drive, determination and work rate?

The simple answer is that their manager doesn't inspire it in his players. Yes players are clearly different in their outlook to those of 10, 20 or 30 years ago. The world changes, evolves and moves on. We as people change, grow and evolve as we move through life.

It was noted by many of the class of 92 that Sir Alex brought out the "Hairdryer" less and less often as he aged. I would say that is because Sir Alex was aware of it's effectiveness waning as players attitudes evolved as time moved on. Sir Alex was able to maintain such longevity because he adapted his methods as time went by. How he did things in the late 80's, the mid 90's the early 00's and the late 00's evolved and changed significantly.

Now we currently have one of the most successful managers currently managing in world football, yet the polish seems to have worn off somewhat. His light has dimmed, the twinkle is rarely seen in his eye. It has been replaced with a scowl, a sneer, a beating of the drum as he states his past glories. Mourinho is still a hugely knowledgeable man when it comes to football, yet his approach doesn't seem to have changed that much. During his time at Porto, Chelsea and Inter his players would run through brick walls for him. Yet as seen during his time at Real Madrid, his second spell and Chelsea and now with us. His players are questioning his methods, and as such are not as committed to his way of playing. The players he seems to have on his side are those in their late 20's/ early 30's. The last of the generation that would react to his style of management. The younger players, are kicking out, they don't like his methods or style.

Is that entirely surprising? I am 31, yet I would not react well with some of the things he has done with our players. His down right bullying of Luke Shaw. His throwing of players under the bus every time something goes wrong. I am of the generation that if my boss treats me poorly I look for a new job. And that is the same generation as many of our players. Maybe once the players were prepared to take such treatment and react with an I'll show you attitude. Now though the players will have the attitude of I'll show you what I can do at another club because I don't have to put up with this.

We can't change the world or the growth of society, all we can do is adapt to the new world. Jose Mourinho doesn't appear to be doing that, and that is why his best days are behind him now. I am sure Mourinho will have success again, in the same way that LvG won the Eredivisie with AZ Alkmaar in 2009. However, it is likely that it will be the anomaly rather than the norm. Jose won nothing last season and unless a miracle happens he will win nothing this season. The first time in his career that he will have won nothing in two years. We are already at the longest point he has gone without winning the league title, and that will be extended this season.

He is increasingly looking like yesterdays man, a hugely successful, though past his best version of what he used to be. It is a shame, and it is THE reason why he won't have anymore success at our club. He has burned too many bridges, he has turned too many players against him. To fix this he would need to sell 10-12 players and buy 8-10 new ones. In a market where a good player costs 50m that is 400-500m worth of players needed. While we would be lucky to get 100-150m for the players leaving.

The board at this point just aren't going to back him to that extent. Nor should they. He has burned bridges with many of them, as seen by them instructing him to quieten down and stop talking out against the club.

The Jose saga has an air on inevitability about it now, it is a case of when and not if. Personally I feel keeping in place for as long as possible while vital changes are made behind the scene is probably best. We are paying the price for having a man who knows little about football in charge of footballing decisions within the club. We will continue to have these problems while he keeps making the decisions which is why I feel it is best to keep Jose and the avoid hiring another manager until a new person who has a better understanding of football is in charge of those decisions.

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14 Nov 2018 12:41:22
Good post and well structured.

It’s doomed to fail, but so is the next man given the current lack of structure.

If Mourinho, one of the most decorated managers in history got get us to sing a tune then I highly doubt someone else will.

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14 Nov 2018 13:21:31
Fresh
Really because there are many teams playing very good football all over the world .
Why can't Manchester United?

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14 Nov 2018 13:53:27
Great post. Let's hope they don't use that tactic too long or else some of our best players will be gone ie. De Gea, Martial, before the new Director of Football and manager come in. We live in hope.

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14 Nov 2018 14:08:27
Agree with Fresh. The problem is not just Mourinho. When Fergie left, we not only lost a long serving manager but lost a whole structure, how things were run and handled. Right now we don't have a concrete idea. I can't think of a club more in need of a DoF type person than our club. We need to have a clear vision and work towards it. It's easy for everyone to rave about City and Pep and how he has got them going so easily yet people seem to completely ignore the fact that they were moving in this direction for a long time. They already had a structure built with a vision of what we are seeing right now.
City had the structure and personnel in place a long time before Pep took over. They had a clear idea of how and where they want to be in. Thus now they have a concrete identity.

And before anyone says anything, let me put this out, I am not a Mourinho fan, I am not someone who believes he can't do no wrong. But I think people need to realise that Mounting is not the only issue here and getting rid of him doesn't instantly solve our problem. I think whatever ends up happening in the future, going into next season we not just need a manager in charge nut I believe we need a concrete plan, an idea of where we want to be 3years, 5 yrs or more down the line.


Also I saw people suggesting guys like Howe for managers role to replace Mourinho. I think that would be a huge step back. I am not implying that Howe is not good (IMO not proven enough to be utd boss right now) but for him to succeed he needs a strong personality, a figure above him to guide him imo. A "dof" of sorts.

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14 Nov 2018 15:14:06
Fresh, Jose may be highly decorated, yet his style doesn't resonate with modern young players. As such his past glories mean little if he can't inspire the modern player to play to their potential.

We don't need a manager with the same level of past success as Mourinho, just one who can get 100% or near to out of our current players. I genuinely believe we have one of the top three squads in the EPL. However, we play like we have one of the bottom three squads. Previous success is no guarantee of future success. The footballing landscape has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, what it once took to be successful doesn't work now.

Killerscones, That is the worry. However, the next managerial appointment is becoming more and more vital. That's why it has to be right. If we lose one or two players then so be it. If we hire the wrong guy we might lose those players and more if we can't get the club moving forward.

Deependra, Your right. It's not just Mourinho. However, he is not the man to move us forward. So we can't go into next season with him at the helm, otherwise its another year lost.
The club needs a new structure, we need a DoF, someone with true understanding of football who can make the footballing decisions. Let Ed keep chasing the commercial deals. While someone more suited searches for our next manager, works with them and the scouts to find and recruit new players, and to determine the footballing identity of the club moving forward and makes sure the hiring of managers, players and staff in the future are aligned with that vision.
Rather than Ed trying to massage his ego by bringing in a big name player who he can slap in a commercial and sell the club to another corporate entity, without the player fitting into the the team or the philosophy of the side.

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14 Nov 2018 17:57:51
Or. and just hear me out here. possibly just possibly. the players are not good enough.
Is our first team good enough?

De gea. yes
Young. no
Smalling. no
Lindelof. possibly
Shaw. was a possibly and now looks a probably
Matic. no
Fellaini. no
Herrera. yes. at times
Martial. yes. at times
Rashford. no. not yet. possibly will be
Lingard. probably not. possibly. squad player

That team that played city is just not good enough in my opinion. they try but sometimes are just not good enough.

I see we are linked with Arnautovic again. I'd take him. he is much better than anyone we can play on the right wing.

We need to see Dalot at rb.
We need a world class cb to replace smalling.

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14 Nov 2018 18:37:02
I'll be honest. I thought the OP was a DLIB post, Shaps :)

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14 Nov 2018 18:39:12
Rosspique, Good enough for what? Are they good enough to be in the top four? absolutely.
Are they good enough to win the league or UCL? probably not, yet I have seen poorer teams win those competitions.

Clearly this side needs a bit of rebuilding to challenge at the highest level.

However, the question isn't are they good enough but are they playing to their potential or even close to it? No they are not.

So the question I ask is do you trust Jose Mourinho, a man unable to get the most out of our players, a man who has brought in 11 players during his time as manager to be the man to continue to buy players who he seemingly can't get the most out of.

We have a core of players in DDG, Bailly (our best defender when on form), Lindelof (current Swedish player of the year), Shaw, Pogba, Herrera, Fred, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku, Lingard, Martial, Rashford and Lukaku to be playing and performing much better than we are.

Your of the opinion we need to rebuild the squad, so which of Mourinho's signings do you consider a total success?

Grant?
Bailly?
Lindelof?
Dalot?
Matic?
Fred?
Pogba?
Sanchez?
Zlatan?
Lukaku?
or
Mkhitaryan?

Which of those 390m worth of players (and that's not considering that Zlatan and Sanchez came for no fee) do you think proves Jose is the right man to sign more players?
That 390m doesn't take into account wages and agents fees, so you could probably double that figure to work out total cost of players brought to the club by Jose Mourinho.

He can't even get the best out of the players he signed, let alone those already at the club.

We have players capable of playing far better than what we are seeing, we have players capable of finishing in the top four, unfortunately we don't have a manager capable of getting the players to perform to the level required.

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14 Nov 2018 19:05:42
Its a combination of both. No manager I the world could win the league with our current squad. A skilfully no chance.
So 2nd is the best we could have done last year or could expect to do this year.
We could possibly match 2nd with another coach playing better football but petsonally i don't think we would have finished as high plain n a more expensive game with this squad.
Every player in every position on sunday city had a better player in their team.
Ddg would not get into the city team as he is not as good on the ball.

So in the summer when jose goes to Madrid our new manager will come in and will stll need to replace a lot of this squad in order to compete for above 2nd.
If anybody thinks otherwise they are completely delusional.

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14 Nov 2018 19:47:03
Extremely well thought out and eloquent post Shappy. My opinion of Jose has shifted quite radically recently to an anti-Jose position. I'm not proud of this, however he's made his own bed in this respect. The toxicity begins and ends with him I'm afraid. His only recent saving grace was not related to any of his strengths, it was simply that the club should not concede to player-power simply because they don't like the manager - as much as I understand the reasons why the players may have rebelled.

The problem is that we have players such as Valencia, Young, Jones, Smalling, Rashford (controversial I know) and to an extent even Pogba have done nothing this season to be in a position to rebel. In many different ways they have all let the club down (or in Rashford's case simply not performed to the hype surrounding him. ) Such a conflicting situation. I'm sure some City players don't like Pep, however I bet they respect him. I'm sure that's not the case at United.

I note that certain playermanager relationships are improving, and I do wonder if that is because the players believe (or know) that Jose is on the way out. Maybe he is off to Madrid. Back to Inter. He has friends in high places who still respect him. However this contrasts with a long list of players that still want to leave. Why leave if Jose is? If both are true then that points to a more pervasive institutional problem within the club. Maybe the Glazer penny-pinching conflicts with the lavish growth of culture and playing style across the city. Maybe the more wealthy a person the more lavish and comfortable they expect their surroundings to be.

Either way this mess just has to be too much for even Jose now. January's market will tell us everything we need to know. My guess is that come the summer United will make every effort to lure a certain Argentinian manager from London. Personally I hope they succeed, because trophies aside, there are many things wrong with United at the moment that only a change of manager can bring. I don't see how putting a DOF above Jose makes any difference. For me that's simply another person who can fall out with.

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15 Nov 2018 05:12:40
Great post shappy.

Ken you absolutely on point that this squad isn't good enough to win things with or without Mourinho, but is it really so bad that we are 8th and 12 points behind the leaders with just 12 games gone.

I said it last season, sack Mourinho now because next season will be a real downhill ride. Some players need to be replaced but if you spend nearly 400mn and have no successful signing to show for, you shouldn't get more money to waste.

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15 Nov 2018 12:49:02
2 of our best players at the moment are Shaw and martial .
2 players who got dogs abuse last year are people were desperate to sell?

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15 Nov 2018 14:57:22
They got dpgs abuse and that's why they are playing at the level they are playing currently.

Maybe the rest need this sort of abuse to get playing 2 their potential.

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15 Nov 2018 16:04:08
Here's the thing about both Shaw and Martial.

Shaw I can't remember having a bad game under Mourinho. A few average ones no doubt, but he never played badly. Yet Mourinho slated him time and time again. Now I don't think he is playing any better now than the last time he had a run of games. Yet now Mourinho seems to trust him.

Martial whenever he has been given a run of games has always played well, then the moment he has a quiet game he is dropped, then he's in and out of the line up until he is eventually allowed a run of games again and suddenly he looks good again. Until January last season he was probably one of our top three performers, then he was dropped or shunted to the right for Sanchez. Again he is a player Mourinho has slated.

Now I don't see much if any difference in both Shaw's and Martial's performances now to any other point when they were given a run of games.

So have the started doing something different off the pitch which has changed Mourinho's mind, or has be burned so many bridges within the squad that he has no choice but to turn to Shaw and Martial?

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15 Nov 2018 16:46:42
Singh
Which is kind of point .
Maybe some of the others aren't the useless . you and others want to make out .
While thinking any player from a different club is world class.

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15 Nov 2018 16:47:29
Singh lol they are playing well because they got dogs abuse on this site .

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15 Nov 2018 16:48:38
Shappy
That about sums up the martial Shaw situation.

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15 Nov 2018 16:59:59
Has the defence improved since shaws imtroduction?

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15 Nov 2018 17:08:21
Loll dogs abuse by Mourinho and not us. I don't think any of them give a toss what we say on this site but some of these playwrs probably weren't listening to the manager in a a nice way hence why he decided to use public criticism to staraighten them up.

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15 Nov 2018 17:40:29
Well Ken, the main thing that has changed in the defensive line is Shaw has come in for Valencia, with Young switching sides.

So are you suggesting that our poor defensive performances is because Valencia has dropped out of our defence?

I don't think your that foolish. lol.

Our defence has looked poorer due to three main factors.

Firstly Mourinho has said we don't have any good defenders and that appears to have shot down any confidence our defenders had.

Secondly, and probably the most important issue. The form of Matic. He has probably been our poorest performer this season, he looks slow, sluggish and has the turning circle of the RMS Titanic.

Thirdly, DDG's form. He hasn't played badly as such this season. He has just been able to maintain the ridiculous form he had last season. His summer away with Spain seems to have taken the edge off of him. Still a world class keeper, yet he has not reached last seasons level yet.

Our good defensive record last season was built on the great form of Matic for the first 4-5 months of the season, and DDG making saves no one had a right to make.

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15 Nov 2018 19:39:53
No shappy i'm not suggesting that its shaws fault of course shappy.
He has had some really good games some average and a couple of poor games. He has done well. But if you care to analyse 64% of goals against us have come down our left this season. He does attack more than young so it leaves us more vulnerable than last season where young was more reserved. that's left smalling more exposed.
Also i agree that matic is in poor form and that's another major contributing factor.
Ddg has also been below his tip top best at times i think your correct there.
I think we all want to see attacking full backs but you need top cb's to pull that off and we don't have them.

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15 Nov 2018 20:18:27
Shappy

1) Confidence, I can understand a lack of confidence if out of form or after a few losses, but not if someone says something that might actually be true and doesn’t blow smoke up my nose. These are professionals and motivation should come from wearing that shirt plus pride.
2) Matic, I might be wrong but looks like he is carrying an injury, not a serious one but something that is taking the edge off him. Did I read his fellow internationals saying they are surprised he is playing, why. I suspect that Shaw pushing up more than last season is leaving a hole which Matic can’t cover nor can the two CB’s, particularly because I don’t think either shift across well to cover the full back. They look uncertain exactly when to go. Uncertainty behind Matic means he is looking behind him and positionally neither Shaw or Young are good. Shaw has missed a lot of football and isn’t where he should be for his age.
3) DDG hasn’t looked right since being at the World Cup. Has he got personal issues? Does his other half still live in Madrid? He is coming to an age where he needs to decide if a change is needed, the Spanish camp at the WC may have unsettled his thought process. He isn’t alone in underperforming but again he has had some great defenders in front of him, now he sees people that are patently not to standard and it may bring some disillusionment

Just my thoughts.

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15 Nov 2018 20:22:29
Ken
Lol Shaw is playing fine. I know that will hurt .

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15 Nov 2018 20:45:37
Why would it hurt? He has done quite well had some very good games. The better he plays the better for all fans surely.

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15 Nov 2018 21:23:23
Ken
Better for the fans. Yes
Redman
Matic struggled second half of last season as well .
All players need an arm round the shoulder, or most it's not Roy of the rovers .

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15 Nov 2018 22:31:45
So why would it hurt then jred?

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15 Nov 2018 23:16:20
Ken
Because you wanted shot, desperate to sell him .
Spent a lot of your spare time on a website slagging him off .
Telling anyone who would listen that a person you don't know had a bad attitude . Wasn't good enough, that you cared mire about selling players like him than who we bought .
But we all support players different ways.

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Review Of The Day 14th November 2018

14 Nov 2018 07:29:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th November 2018

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15 Nov 2018 18:36:36
Aren't 16 out of 20 PL clubs still refusing to pay their staff the recommended living wage Ed001? Funny how they can fork out £250,000 each and give it to man who's already rich as f***.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly. Disgusting mate.}

13 Nov 2018 20:46:22
So here we are, a third of the way through the season in 8th place in the League and so far, it hasn’t been good. We have lost 4 of 12 league games, only 4 teams have conceded more goals, and we were knocked out of the League Cup at home to a Championship side. The Juve game appears to be the odd one out this year: poor displays against West Ham and Brighton, plus a shellacking at home to Spurs, topped off with the surrender to City at the weekend sum up our season.

Our signings have for the most part been failures and with the exception of Shaw, nobody is improving (I accept that Martial is starting to return to form) . Rashford is standing still, Lukaku is going backwards, Matic looks like his legs are going, Pogba remains infuriatingly average, Lingard has gone quiet, the £50M Fred looks lost, and Bailly was all over the place before being dropped. As for Sanchez, if there has been a worse piece of business in the history of our club then I’m struggling to remember it.

Herrera, player of the year 2 years ago, struggles to get into the team, whilst Matic gets picked week in week out. Mata, a player who rarely let's us down is in and out of the team.

I’m pretty confused right now. We finished runners up with the second best defensive record and Jose spent the summer slagging off the defence. We showed against Chelsea we can play well yet in other games we just didn’t turn up.

My view remains consistent. We may need new players but I believe that many other Managers would be getting far more out of this group thank Jose is. His ways don’t work any more, I expect him to get grumpier with every passing month before he has another implosion. The sooner the better for me.

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13 Nov 2018 21:29:35
Good post Tony. Agree on the point other managers would get more out of the current crop. Squad still has glaring deficiencies in key areas but it seems all of our ‘star’ players are playing well below their ability.

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13 Nov 2018 22:55:53
That Juve game that you talk about was pure luck, we didn't deserve to tied let alone win the game. Played really bad, horrible. I guess Juventus had a bad day.

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14 Nov 2018 00:02:41
Reman,

I totally disagree, we played very well against a top Juventus side and deserved at least a point. The win was maybe a bit lucky but we deserved to be in with a chance of winning the game.

We have the bottom 6 teams in our next 8 games, we will know a bit more about this season once it gets to the new year, our Christmas fixtures all look winnable, I think we will be almost in the top 4 by January.

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14 Nov 2018 00:57:44
We played well? Wow we didn't create anything De Gea kept us in the game, 2 free kicks got us the win. There were times where we couldn't even get out of our own half. Oh well i may be asking for too much i guess.

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14 Nov 2018 06:00:18
I thought we did well away against Juve. GDS, fair point, but the games against Brighton and West Ham were also winnable. Given the run of fixtures we have if we don’t see progress then something has to change.

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14 Nov 2018 08:47:39
I thought it was a poor performance against juve, glossed over by pinching 2 late goals. If juve take there chances we would of got stuffed . But that's football.

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14 Nov 2018 22:48:34
We did ok against juve away. Rode our luck a bit we could have been 3 down at half time.
But we won and played well in the 2nd half.
We won a final in 99 and played worse than we did against juve. It happens.

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13 Nov 2018 20:23:23
It's a favourite pastime of posters on here to discard our players. I remember a few weeks back all were against Lindelof, then he suddenly became a defensive god who just needs the right partner. Bailey is high on the list of players everyone wants to see gone. Martial was useless for some ( including me), but looks like he's a world beater again. Now Rashford is just a waste who will never be world class.
We all are quick to make up our minds about players. Wouldn't rashford be scoring goals if he was at City or Liverpool? Many of our players would look good in those teams. Do you guys think Salah would have scored so many goals in our team. If we had a front 3 of Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar would we be any better on the points table?
We can keep talking about a solid foundation in our defense for the next 20 years but it won't help until we show some attacking intent. We can play a team of 10 world class centre backs but if we decide to sit back for 90 minutes, we will concede a goal and we would all be left pointing at that one guy who was at fault.

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13 Nov 2018 21:17:25
Have to reply to this but I'm pretty certain that with a front three of Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar we would be better off. If you think we wouldn't then I can't help you sir.

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13 Nov 2018 21:47:10
Good point sailor. The majority wanted rid of Shaw as he was fat and lazy yet here he is, a regular starter. People want to write off Rashford, a 20 year old kid because he isn’t Messi. As you say, Lindelof has gone full circle, as has Matic in the other direction.

The question is, how long do you give players? I’ve been critical of Fred but he’s only been here 2 minutes so that is perhaps unfair. Pogba on the other hand has had long enough to prove his worth and sadly hasn’t. I’m happy to give the youngsters time but the established players need to get their finger out.

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13 Nov 2018 22:32:15
"If we had a front 3 of Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar would we be any better on the points table? "

I'll take this one. Yes.

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14 Nov 2018 00:04:11
Haha glad everyone replied to that silly part of the post. If we had the 3 best players in the world up front would we Ben doing any better? Good one.

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14 Nov 2018 05:42:24
With Ronaldo alone up top, while Messi and Neymar defend deep inside our own half. I don't see anything different from what I've seen till now.

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