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08 Jun 2018 22:30:46
Can't believe posts around Welbeck. He only just scored on Thursday and spends most of the time on the treatment table. Back to United you have got to be kidding. We need to get behind Rashford he is the future of our great club the guy is world class and will hopefully show the world this next month. 😆😆.

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08 Jun 2018 22:41:26
Agreed.

09 Jun 2018 08:10:04
Scholes was our best player of our generation hands down. Class act who could dictate the tempo of our games.

09 Jun 2018 08:48:50
He's not world class.

Hes to inconsistent and is very young with a lot of potential.

09 Jun 2018 09:40:37
I wouldn't re-sign him, but I wouldn't have sold him.

09 Jun 2018 19:16:23
Absolutely beast!

09 Jun 2018 23:15:47
Totally dependent on the price. If we could get him for between 10 and 15 mil he'd be an excellent squad player.

I'm with beast though I wouldn't have allowed him to go.

08 Jun 2018 21:33:59
Lingard was not even in England's Euro 2016 squad. I don't even think he was on the standby list.

Now he is wearing No 7 for England in the World Cup.

I have not seen 1 person, 1 journo, 1 human praise Jose for this.

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08 Jun 2018 22:00:20
Doesn't suit some agendas scholes.

08 Jun 2018 23:04:07
But Ken, Guardiola has completelt turned around the career of £50m Raheem Sterling lol. Why doesn't anyone mention how John Stones is getting on under his 'genius'?

08 Jun 2018 23:55:36
Van gaal should get a mention as well in that respect.

09 Jun 2018 01:18:21
The way Jose should get a mention for giving Morata and Carvajal their Madrid debuts?

09 Jun 2018 07:06:48
I thought we were talking about Lingard's rise.

Also, wasn't Carvajal's debut under CA?

09 Jun 2018 07:37:01
So the good form of Lingard and Young is entirely down to the magnificent Mourinho, yet the poor form of Pogba, Shaw, Martial, Rashford, Herrera, Lindelof, Mata, Blind, Darmian, Rojo ect is down to the players not working hard enough and Mourinho cannot be at fault for that even though it is kind of his job to motivate the players to work hard.

Who needs a press officer providing spin when there are fans out there that will do it for him. Lol.

09 Jun 2018 07:52:46
Scholes. i'm not Mourinho's biggest fan as you might have noticed. But in a post a week ago, i did mention the big improvement in lingard Mctominay young last season. However, for every lingard we have rashford martial pogba shaw hererra mata mkhitaryan bailly lindelof who have all stalled or gone backwards.
So we must take the squad as a whole to see if we have progressed or not. The answer is a big NO.
You write about guadiola with Stones, i agree Stones is rubbish. But look at the job guadiola has done with Sterling Sane Jesus Fernandinho delph and otamendi. They've been transformed from previous years. Also, he changed the rolls of Silva and de bruyne and they have completely flourished last season.
I'm afraid that if you're trying to make an argument for guadiola versus Mourinho, then 19 points gap, goal difference of nearly double say it all.

09 Jun 2018 08:01:26
I was never a fan of LVG - but I mentioned last week I was watching the History channel series Football Godfathers, his one hour interview with Geoff Shreeves - the amount of players he gave debuts to is unreal, so many top players and he said that's where his enjoyment came from, youth set ups.

09 Jun 2018 09:10:21
Fergie and his staff always said Jesse would break through around this age. The desperation smells strong in the OP.

09 Jun 2018 09:47:17
I think Jesse has improved, but just because he is playing for England that doesn't mean much to me - Southgate is not the oracle, nor was Allardyce, Hodgson etc they were mediocre club managers picking from a limited selection of internationals - mostly on reputation.

He doesn't effect games often enough nor for long enough periods, he is an impact player. Every squad needs them, but he is a 7/ 10 player. Occasionally he will make the difference, but more often than not you wouldn't notice the difference if he was playing or not.

In terms of Jose's effect on him, who knows, but if he is getting credit then he ought to get criticism for those that have stalled or gone backwards as Shappy says. I prefer to look at the overall picture and that is our average players look slightly better, our top class players tend to look like average players! That is wrong for a club in our position.

09 Jun 2018 12:03:26
Well said Scholes. Phil Jones also progressed under Jose until he got injuried 😆😆.

08 Jun 2018 21:09:24
Laurent Blanc, a great former player and a very good manager has said that Pogba is better than Viera based on technical ability.

I agree with that statement. Although Viera was a great player, who turned up every week and contributed consistently over many years I believe Pogba has more natural talent and is a far better passer of the ball, has a better touch and better vision.

Now Pogba needs to step up and make the most of his talent. He complains that he is held up to a different standard than most other midfielders, he needs to realise that he is being held up to the standard his own talent means he could achieve, rather than the standard set by less able players. He should see it as the challenge it is and not a weight to bare around his neck.

Paul is the most talented midfielder of his generation, now he needs Ronaldo's mentality to go out and make the most of it.

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08 Jun 2018 21:16:36
Paul scholes was a better technical player than kean, which one would you have?

08 Jun 2018 21:30:00
Keane followed closely by scholes.

08 Jun 2018 21:39:29
Jred, I get the point but you are comparing 2 legends. I think Blanc is highlighting that Viera was an incredible player, and whilst Pogba isn’t at that level yet, he has the capacity to be better. The questions is, does he want to commit mentally to deliver to his potential? Mi sincerely hoe so. If he gets anywhere near the player Viera was in the EPL than I’ll be happy.

08 Jun 2018 21:45:28
Scholes?

08 Jun 2018 22:04:50
Agree he has a great talent. He can do better and i'm sure everybody here hopes he does. I don't think he has been awful just not as good as he can be.
Jred that's a tough question but i'd choose scholes every time over 99% of all the midfielders of his generation including Keane.

08 Jun 2018 22:06:29
I might be proved wrong but if next season we play Pogba as the front of a midfield 3 or the middle of a 3 behind Lukaku we will see a completely different player.
Mourinho needs to let him loose a bit but an inter changing 3 of Sanchez, Pogba and a new RW (Bale for arguments sake) would wreak havok.

08 Jun 2018 22:42:37
Jred, Scholes hands down every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Best player to pull on the United shirt in my life time. I would take a Scholes at his peak over a Ronaldo at his.

Keane was a great player for us, but Scholes was the class.

Plus in today's football Keane would be sent off every other week. He wouldn't be allowed to bully and dominate opposition teams in the same way he did in the 90s.

For that reason I would take a fully fit and at his peak Bryan Robson over Keane to play in today's game.

08 Jun 2018 23:15:08
Shaps i had a post up it never turned up.
I would have keane, scholes was a magnificent player, amazing was he better than zidane or Rui costa, pirolo.
At the time I can't think of anyone better than keane during his era at doing what he did .
United juventus . David's zidane against scholes and keane and a few other decent players .

Zidane and keane in a cm tho.

08 Jun 2018 23:48:44
Scholes for me jred, Keane was pure grit and determination and a man you'd always want to drive the team but scholes ran the show.

09 Jun 2018 00:08:13
Rubbish abs rubbish talk

For me its Roy keane all day long all year year long. I agree PS scored great goals and made some great passes but Keane was the one who read the game, Sniffed out attacks and allowed the freedom for scholes to play. I ask you to give me a game for club and country where Scholes played a blinder making MOTM for both club and country? Roy keane had a pair made of steel that would make Supernan look wimpy! I remember watching Keane when he came out of International Retirement and we played France. Theis France team had Viera, Zidane and another midfield Giant yet the stats show keane bossed the midfield that night and ran out MOTM deservedly.

Now Scholes is a great player but Keane was a boss and a better captain and if he were in the current team today would kick many of our players backsides to perform. This man did not come ranked 3 in the all time PL players for nothing.

09 Jun 2018 01:02:42
Pif. Agree with that.

09 Jun 2018 07:40:39
PIF, Keane was a great player and there's no denying that.

Scholes was just better imo. Keane couldn't play like he did in today's game. Scholes on the other hand came out of retirement in January and played 33 times between then and the end of the season in deep midfield still scoring 4 goals and carrying the team to our last title win.

We have proven we could win without Keane, we haven't yet proven we can win without Scholes.

09 Jun 2018 07:40:39
Keane .

We were truly blessed to be even allowed to make the choice but keane was a different animal I've never seen a will to win like it.

Even the fact that pogba I'd even being spoken about in the same breath as viera should cheer him up he is without doubt 1 of the best midfielders I've ever seen.

09 Jun 2018 09:51:27
We need a Keane more than we need a Scholes.

Keane left under a cloud and I think that sways some people on him (not all of course) . He was the heart behind our team, Scholes was class, but often went missing early on in his career and benefited from superb players around him. Keane was a constant warrior and inspiration, whether he was at Man Utd or the Dog and Duck he would have been exactly the same. Nobody like him anymore and doubtful again.

In terms of Pogba over Vieira, two different players completely, probably compared because they are both French and look similar. Vieira is twice the player of Pogba at the moment in any case from my perspective.

09 Jun 2018 11:02:50
I’ll try this again in the right thread


Keane, without a doubt. Keane was so good at every aspect of midfield that he could comfortably play in a midfield two with a player that completely lacked the ability to tackle. Scholes was fantastic, beautiful technique. But Keane was the most important player of the Fergie era. You can even see it with the way the likes of Ronaldo react to him today, realise that his example and leadership pushed everyone to be better.

09 Jun 2018 11:14:32
haha - I noticed that Danny, I was wondering if the thought of Keane made you stand to attention, maybe Leahy should try it!

Agree in both cases, lol.

09 Jun 2018 12:25:09
If i had to pick a best 11 from that period keane would be in it and be captain .
Scholes was a great player, amazing player but keane made a bigger difference imo .
Scholes was probably a better player when he played alongside keane .
I think keane would of been just as good if he played alongside a corner post.

09 Jun 2018 14:28:58
I see what you did there beast, good one😀.

09 Jun 2018 14:30:47
Agree jred. He just had the will to win, a born winner. i have a shrine in my house of him, the wife hates it as I tell her to bow every time she passes it out.

09 Jun 2018 15:38:02
Scholes every time.

08 Jun 2018 20:58:23
Oops. forgot to include Joe Riley in the released group. Apologies.

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08 Jun 2018 20:35:31
Out working in the sun yesterday, got burnt so last nite going to bed I popped 2 viagra it didn't help the sunburn but it kept the sheets off my legs😀😀😀.

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08 Jun 2018 21:46:15
No it didn't. ;)

08 Jun 2018 22:11:39
It did the sheets were up against the ceiling all night😀.

09 Jun 2018 09:40:29
Keane, without a doubt. Keane was so good at every aspect of midfield that he could comfortably play in a midfield two with a player that completely lacked the ability to tackle. Scholes was fantastic, beautiful technique. But Keane was the most important player of the Fergie era. You can even see it with the way the likes of Ronaldo react to him today, realise that his example and leadership pushed everyone to be better.

08 Jun 2018 20:38:04
2018 Released and Retained.

Gone: Carrick, GK’s Max Johnstone, Theo Richardson and Moutha Sebtaoui. Plus. Devonte Redmond, Jake Kenyon and Charlie Scott.

Contracts offered but not yet signed:
Fellaini, Dean Henderson, Indy Boonen, Zak Dearnley, Ethan Hamilton, Callum Whelan.

One year extensions:
Blind, Mata, Young and Sam Johnstone.

Thoughts anyone?

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08 Jun 2018 18:22:14
first post but long time reader.

if jose is looking for a like for like back up for Lukaku i would like to see Welbeck back in a United shirt . homegrown, good with his head, good team player, does not moan if on bench, and built to be a target man . and when fit he's a good player and can also play left and right if god forbid we need him there. would arsenal sell? maybe! do we have a buy back? dougt it .

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08 Jun 2018 18:44:47
Are ypu sure you're not Beast with a second account, mate?

08 Jun 2018 19:21:39
Everytime I hear welbecks name I'm reminded of a video named "we are in 2018 whereas welbecks vision is 2051". Great little video showing his insane skills and vision.
Just watch it and you'll be on board with the idea of having him back.
#WELBACK.

08 Jun 2018 21:40:46
He can be incredible one minute, a drunken foal the next. Whichever, he is injured more than Hargreaves.

08 Jun 2018 22:24:09
#WELLGONEFORGOOD . Support Rashford 😆😆.

08 Jun 2018 23:37:03
I'd like him back.

09 Jun 2018 08:13:20
Rashford is already better than Welbeck ever was.

09 Jun 2018 10:52:03
I meant to say bench warmer for welbeck coming back, that's all it was and that's all it would be . I like Rashford, i think he's better than Lukaku but that's me . if it was me Rashford is the Number 9 . he will be getting 25+ league goals a season if he was allowed to express himsef. But Jose likes his big target men and is far to strict. (does not trust his defence ) i hope he changes his tactics this season. but if he don't then i will supoort him as he knows a lot more than me . maybe Lukaku could play behind rashford holding up the ball ( number 10) .

08 Jun 2018 17:48:07
Great to see Casey Stoney announced as the new Woman's team manager. I'll be honest I seldom watched woman's football but always could never understand why a club the size of United didn't have one. Good to see the club moving forward with the times. Hopefully this will be a great success.

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08 Jun 2018 16:26:46
I know most of us are thinking of new signings, next season, maybe even the World Cup but I'm really glad to of just heard the confirmation of Casey Stoney as the United's Womens team coach.
I really hope she does well and receives good backing and that the women's team can eventually compete with Arsenal, Chelsea and City.
I've taken my girls to a couple of Women's internationals. I recommend it, it's a really good day out.
Does anyone know where they'll be playing/ based? I think I read somewhere it would be The Cliff but I'm not sure.
Anyway, just thought I'd post as I think it's brilliant for the club on the whole and not before time.

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08 Jun 2018 17:01:38
I hope it works out and I'm pleased those people that get enjoyment from it will be able to see us compete against other top teams.

My only problem with it is from a purely selfish perspective - media clickbait already irks me. Just imagine the constant headlines all over main stream media, "Utd break transfer record", or "Man Utd star speak out against manager". "Utd Manager in another PMT Rant", oh sorry the last one could apply to both! It already annoys me how they do this with the lesser clubs, now the big boys are entering the fray it will be like mana from heaven!

So long as it's reported and covered properly rather than crafty abuse, it can only be a good thing for everyone.

08 Jun 2018 13:20:54
Ken, thanks for not riding to my childish bait last night, I’m blaming the wine.

In terms of Rashford, he is still a kid, but a kid with huge potential. Southgate summed it up for me “he looked like he was enjoying himself”. In the last few months of the season he really didn’t look like he was enjoying himself so we do need to consider why. Is it the position he is being asked to play, is it the players around him, is it the system, does he feel more pressure at United than he does when playing for England?

I have no idea but I still hold he is a special talent that needs nurturing. Beast made a good point that he can be inconsistent and maybe Jose feels he doesn’t have time to persevere with him but I would hate to see him loaned or sold, as some have advocated.

I realise it was only 1 game last night but I think he will light us up in Russia. He is quick, tall, great feet, and by all accounts a good kid whose feet are firmly on the ground. He’s also ours, local boy, home grown and I’m desperate to see him succeed.

I think we are heavy up front and there are other areas in need of strengthening so hopefully he gets plenty of chances again next year.

As for your question about looking forward to next season, I’m not really sure. I think I needed a rest from it and the World Cup will be a welcome distraction. I’m sure by the time the season statists I will be up for it, and I guarantee a majority of posters will have us winning the league again!

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08 Jun 2018 15:36:01
I remember in the 2016 FA cup final Rashford played with the enthusiasm, tenacity and swagger that he did last night. That was for United on the biggest stage, we've vastly invested in the squad since and the overall playing style was piss poor. We had an egotistical bonehead of the manager, but that egotistical bonehead told young players to go out and enjoy themselves.

08 Jun 2018 15:26:42
Couldn't agree more Tony. We are lacking players who get you out of your seat - despite what we have spent - and I think Rashford is capable of producing magical moments (e. g. against Liverpool and last night for England) .

I was at the game last night. Rashford was the best player on the pitch. Every time he got on the ball you felt the expectation from the crowd. For me he has to start in Russia.

08 Jun 2018 16:27:38
If Rashford doesn't start it makes a mockery of all the 'playing for places' talk you hear all the time - I have my suspicions about what will happen but as I don't want to be negative today I'll give Southgate the benefit of the doubt. lol.

08 Jun 2018 16:33:31
ajh i am with you on rashford. I really like him and would take him over martial anytime. Or indeed most of the top young players.
The fact is that you are so against our current manager that even after 12 mins you were using a meaningless international to highlight that rash plays better for England than he does for us. That is simply not true but the bias you have makes you believe it is.
I was the same with rooney in his final few seasons just seeing him annoyed me and its easy to pick the negatives In everything.
You once scolded me for being repetitive. Well can i ask you to look back and read your posts for last 2 months and see if you think you have been repetitive. No point having a go at people them doing the same yourself.
I have not engaged with you as there is no point on the jose topic. Because you have your view we read it daily often twice or 3 times per day. You have your views i agree with some of your points but not them all. I can't wait for next season. Jose will prove you wrong i have no doubt about that.
He is the manager he is a bloody good manager and has forgotten more about football management than you or i will ever know.
You have an opinion but that's all it is your entitled to air it even air it 3 times a day if you must but it does not mean your right.
Is rash looking to leave. no
So i assume from that that he is happier with his situation than you are. i'd say he knows better wouldn't you?

08 Jun 2018 16:52:47
Ken perhaps it could be the hot weather getting to some people’s head?

08 Jun 2018 17:01:56
But ken he is A good defensive manager, I can't see him changing his ways next season, hope I'm wrong and he let's the team go forward more. Sometimes to get the best out of a forward player you have to let him play with a bit more freedom.
Have your energy for forward play not defending.

08 Jun 2018 17:54:58
Top post ken.

08 Jun 2018 18:14:25
Leahy you are right the forwards are not currently being given licence to express themselves, nor have the shackles been removed. But I’m sure Jose knows we haven’t scored enough goals or been ruthless enough. We seem to be making the right sorts of signings and not the ‘big’ name galactico type signings. I do believe we will be my better next season.

We may never see the sort of football that our club was built on. But I still think we will be entertained, but in a more pragmatic way. I can’t wait till next season and am confident we will improve again and challenge for the title. I feel sometimes myself and other supporters, who are generally more positive, get shut down if we aren’t following the other view. We all want the best for united but it seems Jose is to blame for everything. I agree with a lot of the points made by yourself and other posters, but Jose is going nowhere for at least a year so it’s time to back him.

08 Jun 2018 18:16:29
I hear you meahy the style was poor but we need pace and energy in midfield and in the fb positions. A leader at the back annd he is trying to afdress that. His teams usually score plenty and win plenty. Hazzard won footballer of year under jose ronaldo won balond dor unfer him do you remember di maria duff robben higuain deco chasing back all the time. Cole zanetti marcelo all over lapping full backs.
Ive no issue parking bus 3 or 4 games a year that's good management in certain games and situations but tgis season was shocking.
I blame players 80% manager 20%.
With 3 or 4 new 1st team starters we will be a better team to watch no doubt.
Jose inherited a complete shambles of a squad despite what was spent.
Some of jose's spend has not worked out but some have and a couple can still work out great once they have a better and different balance to the team.
Jose will always but wining begore style. But his teams usually score plenty over a season. He knows what he needs if he gets wjat he needs player wise this summer then you will see better football. Might not be brazil 1970 but things will be much better than this season.
You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. We have too many sow's ears.
I despise some jose traits but greatly admire others he has. Nobody is perfect but given the size of the task i think he is ahead of schedule. He has the balls the desire and the ecperience to succeed here. I hope and think he will. If he doesn't it will be good luck jose long live the new king.

08 Jun 2018 18:17:45
Lol Beast "as I don't want to be negative today". Erm, are we ignoring all your other posts today?

08 Jun 2018 19:10:00
Our defence doesn't nt think the manager trusts the defence, how many times have we seen rashford around left back right back defending, I don't mind that if the forward losses the ball then chase back.
Last night with England I'm sure the manager said rash, take on the defence run at them enjoy it.
You don't need to be at the back.

08 Jun 2018 19:14:54
Well, I’ve checked my posts and they are not at all repetitive. The Jose debate, like the Rooney debate previously got tiresome for everyone and I moved on. Admittedly I may have let Monsiour Merlot influence me last night (😳) but generally I’m steering clear of the Jose in or out debate.

08 Jun 2018 19:19:14
And what if Jose doesn't buy the players YOU think we need?

Read time and again Jose needs full backs. But it doesn't seem Jose agrees he pick Tony and young week after week, in fact tony is his captain.
I keep reading smalling is awful but he is Jose first choice cb .
We have to sell fellaini Jose wants him .
Martial is that or the other, we have offered him a new contract .

So Jose is wrong to play smalling wrong to play Tony wrong to play young wrong to play fellaini wrong to play smalling .
Seems the people constantly sticking up for the manager are his biggest critics.

08 Jun 2018 19:28:06
Can anyone remember when all LVG needed to play good footy was strootman?
Was never his fault, it couldn't possible be a case of "That's how off sets his teams up "

Once over all we needed was a cm player all we needed was pogba?
Then all we needed was a cb we bought lindelof and bailly .
Then we needed that magic up top, we will play great footy then so we bought Sanchez.

Now it's full backs?

2nd in the league is good this season only a very very good city team beat us . Well done Jose he is doing what he does . 81 points is a good return dropped stupid points against the bottom teams other wise it would of been even better.
But it is Jose doing what Jose does just like it was lvg doing what lvg does.

08 Jun 2018 19:36:06
Personally I’d tell Martial he’s battling with Lukaku for the striker role, use Rashford more on the flanks, and invest the money heavily on our right hand side instead.

Then still short of LB, CB, and maybe another mid. Emerge Can in a free replaces Fellaini more than effectively.

08 Jun 2018 20:06:25
Jred if you cannot see how much 2 quality full backs and a cm will improve or style of play and quality as a team then there is no point having this discussion. Nobody expects Jose to change his tried and tested method which has served him well in winning numerous trophies. All his previous teams were built on a strong defence, dynamic midfield, two skilful and tricky wingers and a strong target man to hold up the ball. We have a very weak defence, no rw and we are lacking in midfield. Why is it so outrageous to think that if we improve in those areas then we will improve both style and substance?

This summer I expect him to finally have the team he needs to succeed. There will be no excuses for not performing and competing for the big honours. Nor will it be acceptable to play the rubbish style that we have served up this year. Even those are support Jose for another year (like myself) can clearly see the problems and we have highlighted them. We don’t blindly support Jose because he has done plenty of things that have rightly been criticised. But we can also see that we are building something, albeit slowly.

08 Jun 2018 20:30:38
Jred to be fair he has no other choice only play them,
For me the whole back line isn't good enough and the team is suffering for it, we sit 2 holding players to protect them and the forward players are back helping out as well.

08 Jun 2018 20:56:17
Of course he has Leahy he could of bought last summer, he could of bought in the winter.

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I don't pick the team Jose does your issues is with him.
He plays and picks the full backs, to the point he made Tony captain.
Why would make a player captain if 1 . You didn't rate him 2 didn't intend to play him the majority of games .
Cb smalling is clearly our first choice cb YOU think it should be bailly, Jose doesn't. Again your issue is with him.
We are short in cm? Really Herrera was last season player of the year, pogba cost a WR price, matic is Jose through and through .
He rates and likes fellaini even if many fans don't.

We need a rw? Does joes think that or you? Which right wingers did we try to buy last summer or exams.
We have had a very clear tactic of playing a playmaker on the rw who comes inside not a rw .
Jose was asked about pereria a few month and he said " it's not ideal he is playing rw which isn't a position we have "

So does Jose want a rw or YOU?

Maybe Jose is setting the team and tactics up how he wants?

When he won the title with Chelsea he had 6 more points and scored 5 more goals than this season . So maybe par for the course.

08 Jun 2018 21:32:12
What about baily and lindoff.

08 Jun 2018 22:09:39
Jose does jred he just bought 1.

08 Jun 2018 22:33:48
He bought 1 what Ken?
Do u mean dalot? I would of thought has come in to play understood to Tony or young
Or Fred who has come in to replace Carrick who I missed of my list?

 


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