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11 Aug 2018 08:20:13
It’s all so incredible I’m struggling to believe it. We are top of the league, the only team with a 100% record, and we are top scorers. I knew Jose would get it right.

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11 Aug 2018 08:58:24
I love the sarcasm in that post.

11 Aug 2018 09:38:49
I know and the players he was counting on this season, Pogba and Shaw both scored.

Some guy that JM.

11 Aug 2018 10:19:36
Quite possibly the last time for the next 3 decades.

11 Aug 2018 10:32:15
Bit bored Walter? Have you guys finished celebrating the ‘we have won the league in August’ yet?

11 Aug 2018 06:32:21
Ok game. Bailly, lindelof, shaw, pereira and ddg were brilliant. Fred looks like a better version of Herrera just needs time to settle, pogba was decent. Rashford was rubbish and Sanchez is just a grossly overpaid ji sung park.

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11 Aug 2018 07:55:59
Agree with that assessment. Thought Sanchez was very poor but played some nice balls. Obviously he is a world class player though CSM and I expect him to have a very good season. We need to shift him to the right and use his ability to cross the ball. The biggest bonus for me was the togetherness of the team after shaw scored. Clearly he is a popular member of the squad and there is a good team spirit within the squad. Great to see Jose celebrating his goal today and praising him near the end and before the match. Me thinks that all this negativity from Jose has been a way to create a siege mentality, them against us. The players and manager are clearly on the same page and with a few tweaks and consistency and I think we will have a good season. Just need to go for the kill when we have gone a goal up as opposed to inviting pressure on ourselves. I love the look of the midfield combinations and they all compliment each other very well. Pogba is a die a big season and I can see him having a huge season. Great to see united back playing, even if the football is not always entertaining.

11 Aug 2018 08:57:13
Yeah I agree as well.

Got to wonder why Martial wasn't starting up top if Rashford was meant to be so unfit?

Agreed with Jose's press conference. From the looks of Martial's face when Pogba came off and how many times Jose kept bringing it back to wishing he could bring Martial on in the interview, makes me think he promised him a game and reneged - won't be going down well I'm sure.

One key thing. He kept saying the lads were not ready etc, but the majority had a full pre-season, we need to knock these International trips on the head and get back to focusing on pre-season being about getting ready, not handicapping it. Delighted for Shaw, Pereira played well, loved Fred's energy and passion, something we desperately lack (the football part will come) . Darmian is a waste of space, can't believe the regression in him since signing.

11 Aug 2018 09:23:47
Beast

Not often I agree with you but generally I did there. The owners are never going to stop raking money in from foreign trips, if there was a winter break I wouldn’t put it past them to organise a money spinning friendly.

I thought Lindelof had a very calm effective game and prefer the combo of Baily and him than Smalling and Jones.

People may not agree but I think the owners lack of support seemed to have fired Mourinho up a bit, I may be wrong but I sense a determination to show them. We shall see, what I saw of him last night was not third season syndrome.

Very pleased for Shaw who was so excited when interviewed post match.

We will know more when we play away but our right side looked cumbersome Darmian and Mata, but Fred looks a good addition.

11 Aug 2018 10:17:00
I think the owners have got it 100% right by sticking to there guns and looking to buy players that can be developed .
Best way to build a team.

11 Aug 2018 11:00:32
I agree jred. Gary Neville said the same. However, like many of us, we question who is making the footballing decisions upstairs.

And i also feel we did the right thing in not paying over odds. Rod off his own back ed Woodward but at least now it looks as though he will not pay over the odds especially for a player in their late 20s/ 30s.

11 Aug 2018 11:06:29
Maybe but I still think we lack on the right side.

11 Aug 2018 11:48:34
Jred - I agree with the logic but then why employ Jose when everybody knows that is not how he manages. A few bad results and we could find ourselves in the middle of a meltdown between Jose and the board.
It seems an odd decision to give Jose a new contract and then not support him in the transfer window when there had clearly been a discussion about what Jose's plans were.

11 Aug 2018 12:50:56
Keanooh
It doesn't mean he can't manage like that .
He will of had little say in transfers at both Madrid and inter .

10 Aug 2018 23:35:18
For Ed001. Just wanted to know your opinion on Rashford. He seems to split opinion on United fans. Unlimited potential for some, the next Welbeck for others.

Understand if you cba as you seem to get inundated with requests, but would be interesting to see your point of view on him. Understand he's only young so hard to judge at this stage as it's usually the mental side that's so important for younger players.

{Ed001's Note - personally I think he has a huge potential. He is just a kid and incredibly inconsistent because of it but he has plenty of ability. The issue I saw last night was a lad looking for an early ball, ala Vardy, to make use of his blistering pace, but every player on the United team taking 3 or 4 touches before playing the ball to him. Way too late. They need to be getting it and playing it immediately over the top for him to run onto to get the most out of him in that position when there is so much space in behind.

I have added him to the list for player profiles so I can give a more lengthy reply for you on there.}

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11 Aug 2018 08:59:33
I'd rather take Welbeck any day of the week. He brings nothing but pace and then doesn't know what to do with the ball. Gets the occasional goal, but so did Welbeck and he actually knew what he was doing, despite being injured all the time.

Rashford is not Utd quality, it's just the media-hype and the way he started that have let him get a pass for so long. Almost every game I watch him he is a non-entity. Even with his pace he rarely beats a man with the ball at his feet and decision making is woeful. Mid-Table player if he hadn't started to well in a Utd shirt.

11 Aug 2018 09:19:05
Oh there it is. Our little ray of sunshine on a damp and misty day.

Beast, if you get any more negative you will have to be developed :)

11 Aug 2018 09:42:52
Thanks Ed.

11 Aug 2018 10:09:32
Betty at least he didn't run away like a spoilt child and stop posting cause he didn't like what the other kids were saying.
The messiah is back and supposed to be funny.

11 Aug 2018 10:50:42
Ouch Leahy, that cut really deep - I'm off to tell my mum. Not sure what prompted that, but I will be sure to refrain from upsetting you in future. I guess being a spoilt child is a necessity for a few on here anyway, so should fit in well.

As for being the messiah? Well, that's very kind of you but I'm not really THAT special. Just a naughty boy, evidently.

11 Aug 2018 11:16:20
Ya the boy that wanted a post reposted yesterday. never seen anyone look for that before. Something about needing valium to be on here or something along those lines didn't read it all. The reposting bit was enough for me.

11 Aug 2018 11:17:47
Betty - How can you refrain if you weren't sure what upset him, unless you do another Lord Lucan?

Welbeck was 'one of our own' at one point as well remember.

I also don't get your humour to be honest, but each to their own. One man's 'Mrs Brown's Boys', is another man's 'Only Fool's and Horses', I suppose.

11 Aug 2018 11:40:47
Betty,

I think you have upset Leahy mate 😂.

11 Aug 2018 11:40:48
Hey, no problem guys. Don't want to get into a fight.

I never engage in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

{Ed025's Note - love it betty..

11 Aug 2018 11:42:40
Im not sure Rashford is in Mbappes league, but I think he's better than Welbeck.
Still not good enough to start for me, but a good bench player.

11 Aug 2018 11:57:13
For once i agree with Beast. Have been saying it for quite sometime now. If Rashford weren't English, he would be playing for Fulham.

11 Aug 2018 12:24:35
In the words of Ron burgundy "that escalated quickly"😂😂.

10 Aug 2018 23:07:51
Many positives, despite our struggles to dominate the game:

1. The back four all played well. Lindelof and Bailly were a solid partnership, positionally very good. Darmian was steady, and Shaw did very well to get his first goal. Great to see his joy in scoring.

2. Fred looks very dynamic. He has anticipation and fight defensively, and can hold the ball under pressure. I ams sure there will be plenty more that he will show in coming weeks.

3. Good to see Pogba with the armband and the penalty as the match began. It was the right message after such a negative summer. And he played well, some key defensive headers, besides being a presence in midfield.

4. Besides Mata, who played very well, the attackers were all ineffective. Sanchez was just plain awful. Lukaku missed a sitter. And Rashford seems to struggle as a #9 in a counterattacking setup, where he is required to win headers, hold the ball up, and play back to goal so much. Sanchez failed to play him in behind a number of times.

5. Mourinho deserves credit for a good lineup and intelligent subs. Fred taken off with a yellow, Pogba off with some fatigue, and some minutes given to Lukaku. And he showed some passion after Shaw's goal.

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11 Aug 2018 01:56:34
We have a very good squad.

Love to see us just get on with it now. Get rolling in these early games and let the team spirit and partnerships grow.

Everyone was a bit off the pace after a tricky pre-season / world cup hangover. But everyone played there part. That Leicester team are no mugs.

11 Aug 2018 05:24:03
Pretty good summary zidanial. I thought Gred worked hard but didn’t really get into the game. As you said up front we were not great but it’s early days, lots of rustiness, and players who haven’t really had a pre season. For the first few games, I’ll take any win.

10 Aug 2018 23:37:12
Darmian wad awful but other than that agree with all.

11 Aug 2018 07:06:07
Darmian was awful for the first 20 mins, when Gray had him beat. Not after that. Open your eyes, mate. x.

11 Aug 2018 13:18:31
How bad was Sanchez . Every pass went astray 😆😆.

10 Aug 2018 22:44:10
Not the greatest performance we've ever had, but it did the job. There were some very good performances.

Felt the midfield was very good, I think in Fred we have the potential of a cracking player, he just needs a few more games in a steady team imo. Andreas was really good, some nice touches and good challenges. How he was booked was a shambles, great challenge imo.

Pogba thrived off the captaincy for me. He made two brilliant defensive headers first half and showed great composure with the penalty.

Bailly was outstanding, he looks so clumsy but it works for him. Lindelof again was decent and got better as the game went on.

Most importantly there seems to be a squad who are fully behind each other. The celebrations for shaws goal shows that. Mourinho might be pushing it as us against the world and if that's how it has to be so be it.

Let's build on this!

Caolán.

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10 Aug 2018 22:39:11
We won the game I was watching! Me happy.

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10 Aug 2018 22:22:07
Will Jose be given credit for making Andreas Pereira, arguably, a first team player? 'He'll ruin Utd's youth' they said.

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10 Aug 2018 22:36:24
Yeah, I'm sure Jose worked night and day with the lad while he was in Spain for the last two seasons. Lol. Andreas has had to leave to get game time and to develop, I'm not sure how much credit Jose should get for that.

10 Aug 2018 22:47:10
That is ridiculous Shappy, a manager can only be credited for giving youth a chance if they don't go on loan? Wow, desperate.

10 Aug 2018 22:43:55
when matich spelling had a few he will not play.

10 Aug 2018 22:49:50
Lollll. Some people can never be positive about Jose.

10 Aug 2018 23:24:05
is fit.

11 Aug 2018 00:07:12
Shappy,

You’ve made your mind up about Jose clearly, unlike you as you can usually give a balanced argument but not anymore it seems.

11 Aug 2018 00:22:09
Let's be honest, Pereira would have been sold to fund another midfielder if Jose had his way.

11 Aug 2018 05:26:49
If Matic has been fit then Pereira wouldn’t have played. Having said that, Jesse is now a regular so who knows? I thought he was very classy yesterday and given how knackered Matic looked last year hopefully he will get regular game time. I heard Moyes on the radio say he was surprised at his position as he was more of a 10.

11 Aug 2018 08:43:08
Scholes asked will Jose be given credit for MAKING Pereira into a first team player?

So how excatly has Jose developed Pereira? Has he given him games over the last two seasons then spent time on the training pitch developing his game and ironing out his flaws?

Well no, because Pereira has had to move to Spain twice on loan to get those chances in the first team and to develop. His development over the last two seasons should be credited to the coaches who worked with him daily to improve him and not the manager of his parent club who isn't in daily physical contact with him.

Or should Jose be credited for someone else's work?

Am I being harsh on Jose for not giving him credit for developing a player he has hardly seen and has trained over the last two seasons?

I can give Jose credit for playing the lad last night. However, as many have pointed out would Pereira have played had Matic been fit? Probably not.

Jose did bring on McTominay last night for Fred before bringing on Fellaini late on for Pogba. So credit to Jose for giving a youth player a chance there before a more experienced player.

I can give Jose credit, but it has to be for something he has actually done rather than for things he hasn't. Is that fair or am I being unfair to Jose?

GDS, yes I have kind of made up my mind about Jose. I have seen him and followed his career since he knocked us out of the UCL with Porto. He has also been our manager for two years so I have seen him more closely over the last two years. After 14 years, two of which seeing him pretty closely I think that is sufficient time to make a fairly accurate judgement on the kind of manager he is.

If you haven't made up your mind on Jose yet, I can only say that you either haven't been paying attention or your one of those individuals who never make your mind up about anything.

My opinion of Jose hasn't changed, I didn't want him in the first place and I gave my reasons. I said we would win something with Jose, possibly not the title but we would win a cup of two. I said he wouldn't give youth a real chance, he would play negative football, and he would make a show of himself publicly.

Was I wrong? I don't think so. The only thing that's changed is my backing of him. I didn't want him but I backed him right up until the end of last season when things looked like they were starting to unravel. I still believe they will this season. let's wait and see if I get that right too.

{Ed025's Note - harsh...but also hard to argue with shappy..

11 Aug 2018 08:48:12
Jose changed Pereira's position to a number 6 where he looks good. Has the better footwork than the average 6 because he's played further forward up to now. Really like the look of him there and Jose does deserve credit.

11 Aug 2018 10:18:49
With regard to using youth players. more minutes played last night by United academy graduates than City academy graduates played in the whole of last season. Why is Guardiola never criticised for being anti youth players?

11 Aug 2018 11:04:04
Has to still play him shappy. Credit to him for that. Could have played someone else there, not give rash 10. Not have Scott T play.

Could have left all those youth players at home for pre season.

11 Aug 2018 11:41:43
Can we make are minds up about him and still want him to be the manager shappy?

I believe him to be a nice guy and a great coach. I don't think he always says the right things but I tend to ignore what he says most of the time as ed002 has instructed on many ocassion.

We've always known the style of football he plays, don't know now why people are pissed off at that now.

In relation to giving youth a chance, has he not played a number of youngsters these last few years? Does he not measure up to the standards of other managers at top clubs who give youth a chance. I'd like to see that chart.

I'm playing devils advocate here as he has of course made mistakes and the style of football hasn't been fantastic.

But the problems lie deeper than jose mourinho. Recruitment is a serious issue, I hope that they appoint a DOF or have a head scout who handles that side. I think Jose looks at Liverpool And City and just thinks we are Man United we should be that efficient in transfers too. Appointments in Moyes, LVG that clearly weren't right. Being unable to ship out players, something that Jose actually has managed to do in his time there.

Although Jose and united might not be the best fit, my backing will not change until the club decide to part ways with him.

1 game into the season and the knieves are being sharpened already.

11 Aug 2018 12:35:18
RedRosie, is that actually true or was Pereira already playing as a 6 in Spain?

10 Aug 2018 22:21:55
Sanchez looks really off the pace, his passing was terrible. Hopefully he comes good and builds up some consistency.

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10 Aug 2018 23:16:48
HOPEFULLY he gets moved to the right so that Martial and Rashford can play on the left as they were both more productive there prior to his arrival.

11 Aug 2018 00:20:23
Based on the game today I'd much rather have Mata on the right than Sanchez!

10 Aug 2018 22:17:09
Good win. Shaw periera bailly and pogba were a cut above the rest tonight. 2 great saves from our no1.

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10 Aug 2018 23:01:46
Idk about Pogba but the rest yes Shaw, Pereira, Bailly and lindelof for me.

11 Aug 2018 00:08:08
Reman,

Pogba got man of the match from United, he was absolutely class, what didn’t you like about his performance?

11 Aug 2018 00:50:58
Lacksadasical in possession a few times, when he should have either held on to it better or released it. Still more pluses than minuses.

11 Aug 2018 05:27:55
I agree ken, I also thought Lindelöf was solid. Interesting no Smalling and Jones, I hope he sticks with Bailly and Lindelof.

10 Aug 2018 22:14:29
I think on tonight's performance we should all realise that we actually signed Alexei Sayle in January. Some of you younger ones may need to Google that!

I might be reading too much into it, but to me the reaction from the other players when Luke Shaw scored said a lot. They say a picture paints a thousand words.
That to me was more than just them being happy national getting the decisive second goal. More than congratulating Shaw on scoring his first goal.
It looked like more than that to me. That looked more like a huge vote of confidence from his colleagues, a show of support.
Whether that is to do with the way he has aledgedly been treated by Jose, I don't know.
I know Shaw has issued with fitness and attitude towards training etc, but I thought he looked in good shape tonight and did very well.

If he can continue this way, he could just save his United career and save the club whole heep of money. Let's hope he continues to get the opportunities, and takes them.

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10 Aug 2018 22:36:34
Betty (great to have you back) shaw said Jose has helped him a lot, as have Carrick and McKenna. This could finally be the making of shaw. There’s a player there, let’s hope he kicks on.

Did anyone notice Mourinho’s encouragement of him towards the end of the game? Pat on the back and everything.

10 Aug 2018 22:37:03
Really happy for the lad. He gave a great, honest interview in the papers a few weeks ago, which showed his determination to be a success at Utd. I hope he gets a run, and backs up his words with performances to match.

10 Aug 2018 22:50:42
Perera, Shaw and Baily were the bedt players today.

10 Aug 2018 23:03:52
He still looks porky but hopefully he's realised the only is down unless he pulls his socks up.

10 Aug 2018 23:40:28
I just think he's a big looking lad. As long as it's toned, and he can still accelerate, it shouldn't be an issue.

10 Aug 2018 23:54:15
If shaw can build on this he will push young onto the other side to rb imo.
He has worked hard shown great determination listened to his manager and i hope he proves me wrong.
There was a few players who were below par but in avictory its best to look at the positives. But if those players play 3 or 4 consecutive games like that then they are .
Take into account the team that played tonight had effectively 2 new full backs and a new cb pairing.
A midfield with 2 epl debutants and rash starting a rare game as cf without any pre season like pogba.
If jose gets on a roll he can transmit his desire to win at all costs through the squad then together they could prove everybody wrong.
Fred looks like a player to me. He lloks the type of player who will adapt to the pace of the epl and thrive. He made errors and was caught out a couple of times but he never stopped working to rectify every error.
Captain pogba. Great 1st 60 mins and led by example. As neville said its not about jose getting the best out of pogba its about pogba knuckling down and pogba getting the best out of pogba.
We all at times overlook or perhaps take for granted our no1. 2 great saves i'd say 90% of keepers in the epl wouldn't save both of them. I understand why clubs are now paying top prices for keepers for me its the most important position in every club team.
Lots of ppsitives. ill only be looking at negatives this season if they become consistent and i'm going to raise my tollerence levels for all players unless they have consistently played below par.

11 Aug 2018 00:27:33
Well said Ken. Bring on some positivity. I love that the window is closed and we can now just get behind the the squad.

 


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