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Premier League Match Preview for 2 December 2018

02 Dec 2018 10:52:23
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Premier League Match Preview for 2 December 2018

02 Dec 2018 10:52:16
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02 Dec 2018 10:19:05
Serious question here, If your manager at your place of work kept making you do your job in a way that didn't get the best out of you, didn't seem to be working, wasn't getting results then he went out of his way to blame you or your co-workers for every failure while never accepting any blame himself.
Would you be motivated to give 100% and work as hard as possible for him?

Click agree if you would, click disagree if you wouldn't.

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02 Dec 2018 10:37:25
Shappy, everyone knows you want Jose sacked. No need to come on with another attempt to justify your opinion. All this site is these days is negativity surrounding the manager. One of the main reasons I’ve not posted anywhere near as much. Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion.

02 Dec 2018 10:41:34
There are several flaws in your post. First point is in whose opinion is it “a way that didn’t get the best out of you”. As a worker you think you know better than the boss who does know and been appointed on that basis, really? That is a basis for chaos. If you downed tools in nearly every other job on that basis you would be out the door, not pandered.

Secondly, they should be playing for the shirt, for the club, the fans. Your point highlights what is wrong with some of these players, they are letting the club and the fans down by giving less than 100%. Highly paid, prima donnas need sorting out and your post seems to suggest the poor darlings are not motivated because they are hard done to.

Appoint Roy Keane on a short term coaching contract and that will wake some up.

02 Dec 2018 11:20:55
Caolan, I don't want Mourinho sacked, I never wanted him appointed for reasons that should now be obvious. Nearly everything I said as a reason for not wanting Mourinho as our manager has come true. That's not me wanting a pat on the back, just pointing out that it was obvious even before Jose was hired that it wouldn't work out well. However, many back then were prepared to ignore that fact if it meant we win another title. In fact the only prediction I made about Jose that didn't come true was I said he would probably win the title in his second season.

You want us to talk about something positive about our club at the moment? Well what would that be? The scintillating football? The abundance of youngsters coming through and realising their potential? The world class signings that are taking us up to the next level? Or the obvious titles we are going to win?

The only positive thing is the club is doing well in signing new sponsors. I hear we are about to announce a deal with Durex, the United condom, for when your really f**ked.

Red Man, you would play for the shirt, I would play for the shirt. However, when was the last time you went to work for the glory of your company? When was the last time you worked over time and didn't expect or want to be paid for it as you wanted the company to do well? When we signed players and managers who have no personal attachment to the club then it is only fair to assume they are working for money. No one moves from Madrid, or Paris or Milan to Manchester for the weather and the culture. They move to earn more money and win titles. At the moment our club can only offer one of those incentives.

Also I'm not talking about "down tools" I'm talking about the level of commitment you, I or anyone else would give. No one is accusing the players of refusing to play, just that none are 100% committed. If you are one of those very rare people who will always give 100% at work regardless of the situation then I tip my hat to you. The majority of us will not give our best in a situation where we feel undervalued, underappreciated or down right bullied.

Your point on Keane is an interesting one, he was a great player and totally committed. Can you point out which job as manager he was successful at though? You back Jose on the basis of his CV, yet I'm sure Keane's managerial CV doesn't make great reading. Unless he did win something that escapes my mind.

Keane's abrasive attitude although awesome to watch as a fan, is very much a product of its time, and sadly doesn't appear to work well in modern society.

I don't think the players are hard done by, and I'm frustrated with the performances they are putting in. However, I appreciate that not all car crashes are due to mechanical failure, in fact most are driver error. People say we lack leaders, yet Jose is supposed to be THE leader, yet no one wants to follow him. Maybe his time at the top is done. It happens to us all eventually. If Usain Bolt refused to retire, and kept going eventually someone would beat him, he would slow down, and he would eventually be an all so ran. Sir Alex was a complete and utter one off, no other managers in modern times have been able to have his level of success over a 25 year period. Most spend the first 10 years of their managerial careers finding their feet, then maybe 10 years of relevance then they peak, then football moves on and they spend the rest of their time in the twilight of their careers.

Stick this Jose Mourinho in 2010 and he would win everything, but this Jose Mourinho isn't in 2010, its 2018 nearly 2019. The world has moved on and he hasn't.

02 Dec 2018 11:21:43
Redman what did the boss do yesterday, he played 5 at the back against the second worst team in the league, and I agree with you about the highly paid players,
The football world is too soft for Roy Keane now, if he had a go at someone in the training ground where things should be kept in house, it would be all over social media, too much political correctness for Roy in the football world today.
It was interesting what Harry rednapp said, when he was manager back years ago when they all got on the bus going to a game they would talk and have a laugh, now the have satalite dishes on their ears, like zombies, no togetherness, no spirit.

02 Dec 2018 11:40:59
“Would love to see a thread with a positive discussion”.

Based on the football we are enduring, I think negativity is apt. And I’m positive about that.

02 Dec 2018 13:31:59
The question is why would you keep Mourinho? His CV or his form currently? His History proves, 3rd season is a disatriuos as it gets.
With him til May we will be in between 6th and 10th on the table, anywhere near top 4 will be a miracle.

02 Dec 2018 14:47:06
Currently we have four people who would still give 100% for their company even if their manager was being a total p***k to them. Fair play. In my mind your either extremely dedicated to a company who wouldn't think twice about replacing you or you have so little self-respect your prepared to allow someone to run rough shot over you and take the p*** out of you and still ask for more. All power to you, there are no wrong opinions just misguided ones.

02 Dec 2018 17:15:15

Every day I work overtime without being paid for it and I do it to try and make a difference to the company.

I don’t want Keane as manager but we could do worse than get him in short term as part of the coaching staff because he is someone who would come in and root out the bad attitudes. The one I really think we should get in is Rio Ferdinand.

If there are players there not trying, sell them, it doesn’t matter what there social media profile brings to the club, get rid and stop fawning over them. What I saw from Pogba yesterday was pathetic. If we don’t solve the issues the next manager will have the same problems, just like Conte did when following Mourinho.

02 Dec 2018 17:44:14
Get rid of he from whom all negatively flows. Until then we are all just * in the wind.

02 Dec 2018 09:37:10
Well i wonder what all you Mourinho haters will say when we win the Champions League in May? . what's that, oh the alarm. What a nice dream, now back to reality and the rest of the top four getting further away.

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02 Dec 2018 08:48:41
Does anyone not agree that since Rui Faria walked, we have regressed massively. Jose is lost without his trusted right hand man and our defence and tactics are a shambles.

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02 Dec 2018 09:14:39
We weren't that great with him but there's been a definite regression. I'm disappointed with McKenna and Carrick but then we don't know what input they have. Also as bad as the tactics an selection was yesterday, and I'm in no way defending Jose or giving him a pass as both were awful, the players mostly looked like they didn't care. Rashford was good though.

02 Dec 2018 11:44:00
If they have no input or the no effect then Carrick Andy mcKenna are complicit in this shower too.

Review Of The Day 2nd December 2018

02 Dec 2018 07:29:01
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01 Dec 2018 17:29:50
Cannot remember the last time I looked at a United lineup and though 'this looks like a winning side'. Tonight, I like what I see (provided it is a diamond in midfield) . Famous last words?

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01 Dec 2018 19:29:41
I suggest a visit to the specsavers.

01 Dec 2018 19:34:49
Hahahahhahahha joke right? At last we got a point against a very top team.

01 Dec 2018 19:55:22
Are you for real a woeful starting 11 and it didn’t disappoint.

01 Dec 2018 19:58:44
I'm amazed. Matic, fellaini, pogba and Herrera in midfield? Predictable result.

01 Dec 2018 23:19:22
We played against the team second from bottom in the table today, they scored 4 goals all season.
Now Jose turns up with Manchester United and guess what he plays 5 at the back and concedes a goal in the 13 minute, enough said.

02 Dec 2018 13:48:04
Love all these responses - thanks all.
In my slight defence, I viewed the lineup as a 442 with a diamond in midfield. With Lukaku and Rashford up top, and Pogba playing on the lift side of the diamond, I was expecting a decent performance yesterday. Silly me.

01 Dec 2018 14:22:37
Finally, it'll be nice to see us playing with two natural, modern-day full backs.

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01 Dec 2018 14:53:43
Did we sign Cafu and Roberto Carlos? Fits both Jose and Ed requirements. Experienced yet big global names.

01 Dec 2018 16:36:22
No luck there, Our back 4 is Young Matic/ Mctominay Jones Shaw. I really wonder what hold Lukaku and Matic have on mourinho. They might as well commit murder on the pitch and mourinho will still pick them if they are fit.

01 Dec 2018 16:43:07
Jose has gone full bonkers again. Looks like a back 3 of McTominay, Jones and Matic. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Herrera is the other defender.

Playing against possibly the worst team in the league, and he puts out that starting 11. Man is an absolute joke, and is trolling fans at this stage. Prize numpty.

01 Dec 2018 20:00:10
No fit CBs was the reason. Rojo was not fit enough to start.

{Ed025's Note - really DB? think that was the reason for that ineptitude mate?..

01 Dec 2018 20:36:35
The reason given by JM for the team selection at CB was that Jones was only fit CB, Rojo only made bench but could not start.

There is no excuse for that poor performance Ed25. Club is in a real low point right now. Watching Pogba lose the ball time and time again in the first half made me want to poke my eyes out.

{Ed025's Note - its rotten to the core at the club DB, from the board to the manager the staff and the players, what i see is nothing like anything i have ever seen at united mate..or would ever want to..

01 Dec 2018 20:56:57
Pogba's whack. Honestly can count the good games he's had on one hand. An that's captain hooks non sword hand.

01 Dec 2018 20:58:43
He played 5 at the back against, probably, the worst team in the league. He might have been forced to play a cm in defence, but not two. It was a terrible performance that started with a terrible set up.

01 Dec 2018 21:51:59
I still love our club. Good times will come! . It will just make u appreciate the good times a bit more!

01 Dec 2018 09:54:49
Hearing Jose talk about how united used to be able other top teams best players and now are unable to do so due to those teams being so powerful now, he used spurs as the example.
He's right of course, we would just go ahead and cherry pick the best from rival clubs and now clubs don't need to sell.
Have we have been comparing this post Fergie United to an incomparable time?

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01 Dec 2018 13:05:22
Fergie did not spend 400mn in 3 seasons ever. Also which of the spurs players did we ever target that Mourinho could not sign because spurs wouldn't sell to us. This is another Don't blame me because I wasn't given a new shiny toy.

01 Dec 2018 13:09:07
In July 2017 we signed evertons best player.

In January 2018 we signed arsenals best player.

Tottenham are above us, have they cherry picked the best from rival clubs? no

Although Liverpool have bought southampton players at will you can hardly call them a rival club, they are above us.

The only thing that is incomparable to fergies time at united is the disparity between 6 clubs and the other 14, when he was in charge it used to be a top 4 and 16 other clubs. Even earlier it was just united and arsenal at times.

No denying the top end of the league is much more competitive and city have a freakish combination of top quality recruitment, coaching and resources. Fair enough mourinho can not compete with them.

But we are severely underperforming from last season let alone 'Fergie United', that has less to do with our ability to cherry pick from rival clubs and more to do with mourinhos negative attitude at the beginning of pre season and his inability to pick a consistent team because he's taken turns in falling out with the majority of players at the club.

It is a moyes level of excuse and they have been getting more frequent this season, it is getting embarrassing from mourinho to be honest.

01 Dec 2018 14:24:00
This 400 million in 3 seasons stick to beat Jose. That's 3 Coutinhos. In a world where Liverpool are spending 170 million in one window and pep has spent nearly 350 million on defenders alone, why is it a problem that he's spent money on a team that has been woefully handled over the last 10 years.

We should be spending more than that in terms of our revenue we bring in.

01 Dec 2018 15:06:55
Mumbles we wouldn't be in this position if money he spent was spent wisely. Everytime anyone brings in Mourinho's spending people point to Pep's, but how many of Guardiola's signings haven't worked out. Nolito, Bravo and Mendy that too is a stretch. On the other hand which of Mourinho's signings have worked, barring zlatan there isn't 1 player he has signed yet who anyone can say has turned out to be a fantastic signing.

I wouldn't give Mourinho a dime given his record not that he can really do anything with it given by their own admission even likes of perisic don't want to play for him.

02 Dec 2018 17:31:08
The point he was making is that for the most part clubs that used to be mainly dependent on selling their best players In order to balance the books. Now they don't have to do that anymore. This is due to huge incomes for all the epl clubs from tv sponsorship advertising etc.
Of course clubs will still sell their best players but for hugely inflated fees.
So in that respect he is correct the smaller clubs have become more powerful and a lot more wealthy.

If the tv money was distributed as evenly in spain or italy there would be less dominance by the usual suspects I those league's too.
Its not just a question of liverpool united or city knocking on the door and the likes of spurs caving in or Southampton or Leicester . Look how long it took and eventually how much it cost to sign vvd or city mahrez . Those clubs don't have to sell their best players to survive anymore.
This the point he was making. Its true.

Premier League Games Preview for 1 December 2018

01 Dec 2018 09:12:22
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