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Saul Niguez

14 Feb 2019 20:31:53
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Saul Niguez

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15 Feb 2019 06:17:27
Sounds like a better version of Ander Herrera.
He would be the perfect signing to play alongside Pogba and Matic.

The PSG game highlighted our lack of creativity from central midfield when Pogba is stifled.
But not sure whether United still has interest in him or if he is willing to move.

{Ed001's Note - he would be excellent in the midfield, personally I think you could do worse than replacing Matic with him, rather than Herrera. Then you would have him on the left side, Herrera on the right side and Pogba dossing around wherever he wants.}

15 Feb 2019 06:28:45
Agree Ed.
Would be a massive signing.

{Ed001's Note - I would love to see him out from under Simeone and given some freedom to play. I want to see what he can do given his head.}

15 Feb 2019 09:14:14
I honestly don't get why dome fans want simeone as our next manager. Sure its effective but i'd rather watch paint dry.

{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced he is as good as people make out either. These are the worst Barcelona and Real Madrid teams in years but he struggles to compete over the course of a league season. That is when he should have the advantage as neither of those teams can rely on their superstars to win them every game. When the cameras are on in the big games big players turn up and perform, but in the little games the stars often have off nights. While a good balances team like Atletico should not have that problem and so should turn up pretty much every week under a top class manager. Especially when you consider how week the Spanish league is outside of these 3, you have to wonder if Simeone is really that good.}

15 Feb 2019 11:13:07
Thanks Ed001, what a player he is!

{Ed001's Note - one of my current favourites mate.}

15 Feb 2019 13:37:03
Agreed Ed. Madrid have been shocking this season and you realise just how much Ronaldo carried them, even on a decline and not running as much his goals really did carry them. I think Barcelona have slowly declined since first xavi then iniesta left. Messi hasn't looked the same without them.

{Ed001's Note - they have both bought badly as well which hasn't helped. Though Vinicius is fantastic.}

15 Feb 2019 15:47:40
He does look a prospect. I know eyes were raised at the fee at the time given his age/ inexperience but given the way fees have gone could turn out a bargain.

14 Feb 2019 19:34:04
I dislike monday night kick off's .
The weekend is not quite the same when everyone else played plays and we dont.

Tough game ahead of us. Chelsea have a decent home record and have a point to prove following the city thrashing.
Martial and jessie are out. Imo we will miss jessie more than the very inconsistent martial .
So who do we all think will start.
I think our midfield will stay as the usual 3 ( or should i say the only 3)
I hope the back 4 contains dalot. i'd like to see bailly and lindelof play together again.

Lukaku right rash left and sanchez through the middle is a possible combination.
At least our injuries are in an area where we have cover.

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14 Feb 2019 20:24:20
Chong, rashford and lukaku. Greenwood on the bench and Sanchez on the sofa watching on tv.

14 Feb 2019 21:50:38
I can understand that point of view mort. Sanchez has been nothing short of awful but with martial out he might get a run of games in a more attacking system in a bid to recapture some form. I know its a long shot but we are not blessed with experienced options.
I don't think ole will throw kids into this game but i could well be wrong.

15 Feb 2019 06:07:00
I like your thought Ken.
Rashford and Lukaku, both have pace to play on the wing or as an inside forward.

It is better that Sanchez centrally, mostly near the penalty box. His ball control and finishing is still good in tight areas.
It is while trying to dribble where he loses possession.

Chong or Gomez can be brought on in the second half so that we can ease them in gradually.

15 Feb 2019 07:44:11
I really don’t understand how Sanchez is anywhere near the team, he continually stinks the place out. We all want him to play well but just willing it to happen isn’t working. I’d rather play Rashford, Lukaku and Gomez.

15 Feb 2019 09:16:15
I get that Ken. But as AJH says he's been awful and just hoping he suddenly comes good isn't enough. Maybe its time to try someone else. Give a young guy like Gomes or Chong a go instead. See if they're able to seize the chance like Rashford did.

15 Feb 2019 09:49:19
I hear you ajh and mort. As i say i don't think he will throw them in to this game.
Id be delighted if he did. If we had won on tuesday it might have been more likely.

15 Feb 2019 09:55:54
Could do 3-5-2, Lindelof smalling bailly

Dalot, herrera, matic, pogba, shaw

Lukaku rashford

Smalling and lukaku offers a bit more height and threat from corners, I like dalots crossing but his defensive side needs work so playing 3 at the back offers a bit more cover.

Would like to see chong and gomez on the bench, greenwood looks scary good but I want to hold him back for just a bit longer maybe last game or 2 of the season if they are dead rubbers.

15 Feb 2019 19:56:01
I don't think we're going to have the luxury of dead rubbers, mate. Unless it all goes t*ts up.

15 Feb 2019 21:44:45
I was thinking the same nou. Squeaky bum time i reckon.

15 Feb 2019 22:21:26
We won't know till much closer the time. We could be 4th with a 4 point gap to 5th or 5th with a 4 point gap to 4th or any other scenario with a game to go.

Greenwood looks the most promising player since 92. I want to do everything we can to make sure he progresses smoothly. There are people far more qualified than me to say when the times right so if its felt its best that he doesn't play this season I am fine with that no matter how much I want to see him play is the point I want to make.

14 Feb 2019 12:40:13
Hello Ed001,

United are lacking a solid right sided forward and a right back. Who do you think would suit the club and the counter attacking style?

Sanchez, Martial, Rashford all prefer to operate on the left side or through the middle. Mata lacks pace.

I really wanted us to sign Mane or Bernardo Silva before they joined our rivals.

Few posters have sounded out Jadon Sancho. He has proved himself for just 1 season, so I am not really convinced of him.

Ed002 had suggested Douglas Costa as a target. He has pace but not sure about his end product.

{Ed001's Note - Pepe would be good for right wing and Reece James for right back I would suggest. There are not many good full backs around but he has stood out as looking far too good at Championship level and should be in that Chelsea team really.}

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14 Feb 2019 16:16:02
How about Cengiz Ünder for RW?
Also sorry for the random name but what of Mário Fernandes of CSKA for RB?

{Ed002's Note - There is no interest in any of these players from Manchester United.}

14 Feb 2019 18:29:54
Nicholas Pepe seems to be a great shout.
But will he be ready to take the next step?

Malcom comes to mind, who showed promise in Ligue 1 but is struggling at Barca.

{Ed002's Note - MU has no interest in Pepe.}

15 Feb 2019 07:27:09
Ed are you able to disclose who the clubs targets are? Does it remain Costa and Koulibaly?

{Ed002's Note - Both are still of interest to the club Fresh!}

16 Feb 2019 06:50:40
I don't understand why the club would buy Douglas Costa when a young talent like Jadon Sancho is around. Perhaps the club football decision maker knows best, again?

{Ed001's Note - who says Sancho would be interested in joining?}

15 Feb 2019 23:55:56
Is that right? Man Utd have no interest in Jadon Sancho?

{Ed002's Note - They have no declared interest. In confirming Manchester City's option when asked this week Watzke also said there has been no approach for the player who is not for sale. When he left MC at least Spurs, Manchester United and Arsenal expressed an interest but he had his heart set on Dortmund.}

16 Feb 2019 12:16:22
Thanks ED02 great info, good to know.

Michael O'Neill

14 Feb 2019 13:17:55
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new manager profile about, Michael O'Neill

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14 Feb 2019 13:21:43
I’d go Wan Bissaka Koulibaly Ndombele and Jadon sancho.

14 Feb 2019 17:56:50
Malcolm, lemar or leon bailey. 3 lefties that play on the right and can cut in, also could go old school and swap wings to throw crosses into the box for lukaku as a plan b if things are not going to well.

14 Feb 2019 12:45:21
I would target 5 players this summer.

Wan-Bissaka, Digne, Koulibaly, Rakitic and Lozano.

Shift out the usual suspects.

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14 Feb 2019 13:09:48
Squawka by any chance?

14 Feb 2019 13:55:49
Wan-Bissaka, koulibaly, Sancho and ndombele.

14 Feb 2019 14:09:21
Alderweireld, Chilwell/ AWB/ Telles, Neves/ Thiago and Dybala/ Pepe.

14 Feb 2019 15:09:57
Alderweireld, Sancho, Pereira and Kanté for me. I'd throw everything at Chelsea to get that wee gem.

14 Feb 2019 15:40:21
Meunier, Gaya/ Telles, Koulibaly, NDombele/ Neves, Sancho/ Lozano.

14 Feb 2019 16:09:42
Yes Squawka but they were all sensible and fit what we need.

14 Feb 2019 17:17:52
Ricardo Pereira, Koulibaly, Neves/ N’Dombele, Sancho and A striker to replace Rom.

14 Feb 2019 18:27:42
Ideally : Mbappe, Varane, Verrati, Jao Cancelo (RW, CB, CM and RB)
Realistically : Lozano, Koulibaly, Saul Niguez, Wan Bissaka.

14 Feb 2019 18:40:24
First would sell Sanchez, Mata, Pereira, Rojo, Darmian, Fred and even Lukaku (Since Rashford would be our main striker and we have Martial to cover him)

Players to target.

CB - DeLigt/ Koulibaly
wing back - Sessegnon and Wan Bissaka
RW - Hueng Min Son
CM x2 - Neves and Houssem Aouar
Backup Stiker - Raul Jimenez

Also we have plenty of young talent from the academy that is knocking on the first team'd door.

14 Feb 2019 22:12:30
Kante is a great shout, way they are going wouldn’t be unreasonable that Kante could be unsettled, dunno if there is interest there but he would be great in our team in his role.

14 Feb 2019 22:32:29
If Chelsea fall out of the top 4, and they constantly play him out of position, could be possible Welsh. Though he doesn't seem the sort of bloke that would actively agitate for a move. I'd still try, though 😁.

15 Feb 2019 09:18:22
Id definitely make an enquiry. Test the water.

14 Feb 2019 09:44:33
So sad to hear of the passing of Eric Harrison, after a few years suffering from dementia. He will leave a legacy, not only at Utd with the Class of '92, but to English football in general, with the many other young lad's who ended up plying their trade in professional football, throughout the leagues.

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14 Feb 2019 09:50:57
Very sad to hear Nouvamp
A coaching legend because of all of the players he brought on but particularly the Class of 92. RIP Eric.

14 Feb 2019 09:54:45
Yes, Eric a top class coach that we will not see the likes of again. Everyone remembers the class of 92 and rightly so but there was so much and many more thanks to Eric, god bless.

14 Feb 2019 11:37:59
Tragic news, a man responsible for so many great moments we have witnessed with our club through his coaching. I hope his family find comfort in that he is no longer trapped within himself, rest in peace Eric.

14 Feb 2019 11:51:58
Here here Stevie.

14 Feb 2019 12:00:29
Rip legend.

Review Of The Day 14th February 2019

14 Feb 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th February 2019

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14 Feb 2019 07:49:10
Great read Ed001. I particularly liked the picture 🤣👏.
Back to football, fans really embarrass the clubs sometimes. They can enjoy but to become hooliganistic is just uncalled for. Throwing cans and bottles and flares are just so dumb more so ripping the protective net. It’s no wonder some of these morons give a very bad name to the group called fans/ supporters. But when really s*** happens then they start regretting. What’s the use of that when they never even think before they act or overreact 🤦‍♂️. Some of these so-called supporters should just be given lifetime ban and end of story. Truly embarrassing.
BUT thanks for the posts and work Eds.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate, sadly the hooligan days are coming back, in large part because Hollywood has made it seem cool through movies about it.}

14 Feb 2019 09:08:30
Cheers Ed. Icardi and his wife seem to be some piece of work!

{Ed001's Note - oh they are complete knobs but she is not all there in the head at all.}

14 Feb 2019 05:36:02
Dear me what a difference 1 game makes .

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14 Feb 2019 06:42:24
Agree. Don’t understand why there is so much criticism. Fine we lost a game. But it’s not the end of the world. It’s not like we are strong enough to be challenging the CL trophy. I believe the focus should be:
1. Ensure we continue with momentum and be top 4 in PL.
2. Try to go as far as possible in FA Cup and win if possible.
3. Go as far as possible in CL this season.
Those would be the priorities I feel in that order.
We have a good team but by no means a team to be challenging on all fronts. We have not been doing too well for the last 5 years and I would think just because we have a new manager (OGS or anyone else) we would suddenly be the top team in a flash. I sincerely think even if we have Poch in as manager in summer there is no bloody guarantee. We still need to really beef up our defense. We have a decent midfield but can still improve. We also still need to beef up our attacking team and improve teamwork. The only position we are world class is our GK. All else will need improvement. So even if you have a world class manager we still are short.
I believe that OGS has the mentality and character to bring us forward. Beside SAF will be guiding him behind the scene. If we could also tie Phelan to 1-2 years till Carrick and team are up to standard we could then build to be become title challengers for CL title. Otherwise I think we should target and win the PL next season and possibly FA and League Cups.
That’s my humble opinion and hope we don’t slag the team just on 1 loss. There will be more to come but hopefully not crucial to knock us out of top 4. Rome certainly wasn’t built in one day.

14 Feb 2019 07:40:02
Why? What happened?

14 Feb 2019 07:44:31
Good post 666.
We don't have a squad capable of competing to win the epl or cl.
But there has been a lot of improvement from where we were under jose this season.
Tue night was no surprise to most but if we had not been so unlucky to lose 2 of the front 3 within 2 mins of each other the result might have been better.
Top 4 is the main priority.
The squad have only managed that twice in the last 5 seasons. that's the reality of where we are.
Some people put all that blame on the 3 previous managers, and yes none of them covered themselves in glory but the reality is the players are and have not been good enough either.
Ole has us moving in a better direction. The style and mood has improved along with the results. We have hit a little road bump i am sure we will see a good reaction and focus will return to the league and securing enough points to pip arsenal and chelsea to 4th.

14 Feb 2019 08:02:36
You know yourself angel😂😂😂😂.

13 Feb 2019 23:30:27
One difference between our current squad and the best teams in the world is that they have fullbacks, wingbacks who are very good on the ball.

Example last night, Bernat was very good, but Luke Shaw is very limited on the ball. He is strong, fast, tough, and a decent defender. But on the ball, he is very one-footed, rather slow in choosing his pass, offers little threat in the final third, and gets far too many passes blocked. He is already a decent player, but these are areas that must improve.

We have similar issues at right back. Ashley Young has done well but is not getting any quicker. Dalot does look good on the ball, but has not convinced yet as a defender.

Compare to the best teams, and they quick defenders at these positions who also have the ball skills of center mids or wingers.

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14 Feb 2019 06:14:10
Spot on. While I like Shaw, he is extremely one-footed as is Valencia.

14 Feb 2019 06:16:48
I have to agree seems we’ve been saying the same thing for so long though. I think we also lack creativity in the middle of the pitch, if pogba ain’t doing it were not going to see much creativity from matic or Herrera no matter how well they’re playing, I also think we’re unbalanced down the right and need a proper right sided winger/ inside forward liked what I saw of Jadon Sancho last night looks a great prospect.

14 Feb 2019 11:29:53
Douglas Costa would add much better balance on the right wing. He has electric pace to trouble defenders.

I previously suggested that once we strengthen the defence, we must replace Herrera with a player of better quality.
I admire his work rate and attitude, but he just can't pass forward.
We rely too much on Pogba to provide the key forward passes.

14 Feb 2019 11:48:32
Most full backs are one footed, if they had the skill of being "two footed" they would play further forward. There are notable exceptions obviously but that tends to be the rule.

I agree that we lack the depth and quality at full back, I have said several times on this site that I would ideally like to see two full backs come in this summer to compete/ rotate with Shaw and Dalot. However, that is unlikely given the need in other positions and the fact Young has signed a new one year deal.

We need someone who can be a game changer, Ricardo Pereira at Leicester has been fantastic going forward for them this season, slightly suspect in defence though. However, I see that as less of an issue if he moved to a side that would be tested less often defensively. Thomas Meunier would be the dream signing, yet that boat may have sailed with him now being PSG's first choice RB.

In an ideal world I'd like to see a LB come in and compete with Shaw, Jose Gaya or Lucas Digne who has been very good at Everton this season could be good options. However, if budget is key then maybe Philip Max would be a good cheaper option.

{Ed001's Note - I really don't get your Ricardo obsession, the lad is hopeless defensively and nothing special going forward. He is bad enough that Leicester have been searching for a replacement and he is only in the team because the midfielder that had taken the place back off him, Amartey, is injured.}

13 Feb 2019 20:55:35
Declan rice declares for England.
First they take our potatoes now they take our rice😂😂😂😂.

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13 Feb 2019 21:51:21
You mean the guy who was born in England, as well as his parents, he has two Irish Grandparents. It's a ridiculous rule, you should only be allowed to play for your country of birth or the country you spent the majority of your childhood as I can understand how growing up in a country will probably make you feel more closely associated with that country.

Everything else is a cop out to play international football.

13 Feb 2019 22:33:09
Spot on shapoy but we need the players, but when he thought he had no chance of playing for England he had no problem playing for Ireland,
Now the rules are all over the shop.
For me I'd know what country I'd be playing for from a young age,
The question is if you play for a country underage that's your country full stop.

13 Feb 2019 22:34:56
I think he was just making a joke.

13 Feb 2019 22:39:10
I was sepp.

13 Feb 2019 22:40:58
Anyway it's all about the money now, is he worh more in the transfer market now cause he is an English player.

13 Feb 2019 23:19:13
Welcome to my world, Leahy ;)

14 Feb 2019 07:44:18
Correct decision for the lad. Terrible way to go about it.

I'm Irish, have an English son. Born and raised in London. What's not to say he feels more aligned to the Irish side of his family when he grows up and wants to play football for them, that's if he is good enough of course.

Who is anyone to tell him any different?

14 Feb 2019 08:58:45
Angel, as pointed out by Pellegrini in relation to Declan Rice. If your good enough you'll play for England, if not then you'll play for Ireland. Lol.

14 Feb 2019 09:30:24
Spot on, Angel. My young lad's half Scottish, but he would never think of playing for them given the chance. He's lived all his life in Northern Ireland. Breaks his mother's heart 😁.

14 Feb 2019 11:17:53
Sly digs like that, I would have thought were beneath you shaps. maybe not.

Still doesn't answer the question I posed above. Who's to tell my son as and English born boy who is steeped in Irish history that as he was born here he can only play for England.

You're usually a good Poster, but that above is a load of tosh.

14 Feb 2019 11:59:30
When your young enough and good enough to play for a country at under age you decide then who you play for, it not a problem, then and you cut out all of this.

14 Feb 2019 12:16:55
Angel, its a "banter" site, no such thing as sly digs just good natured banter. Being Irish I would have thought you would have a sense of humour.

On to your question does your lad speak with an Irish accent? Does he identify as Irish? What about him other than having an Irish parent makes him Irish?

I understand as a proud Irishmen you would want your son to represent your country. However, how much he truly feels "Irish" might be hard for you to ascertain.

Would he feel at home living in Cork or Limerick, Galway or Dublin? Would he feel that he is where he belongs?

If so then he might well identify as Irish. However, international football needs to be built on a set of rules, firm, clear and non-negotiable rules.

If we are going to compete under the banner of nationality then there needs to be a clear line between what makes you that nationality or not. Otherwise its not really international football at all.

At the end of the day all human life started in what is Ethiopia today, so should everyone have to play for that national side? No clearly not, that's ridiculous.

So a line needs to be drawn somewhere. Personally I don't agree with "nationalised" status if that happened during adulthood. If you grow up in a country I can understand why you feel attached to that country more so than the country of your birth.

Should you be allowed to represent a country you have never lived in? that maybe your parents have never lived in? That you can't speak the national language of? For me the answer to all three should be no. I would argue that you do not have a stronger link to that country than the country of your birth or the country that you grew up in or the country of your mother tongue.

The grandparent rule is ridiculous and only in place for countries to pick players better than they can produce but not good enough for the country of the players birth.

In 1998 when "France" won the world cup it was a shambles. You had players from the four corners of the world playing in that side. Trezeguet wasn't even born in the same continent. When there are currently 38 Brazilian born players currently representing countries around the world that AREN'T Brazil it makes a mockery of International football.

If 90% of the Irish national team only "qualified" to play for Ireland through their grandparents would you truly consider that an accurate representation of Ireland?

22 of the 25 man squad never lived in Ireland, don't have Irish accents, don't truly know Irish culture and certainly haven't lived or experienced it.

I understand why you would want your son to represent YOUR country, but just be aware that it is YOUR country and not his.

14 Feb 2019 12:55:54
Shappy, you're missing the point. I will be very happy for my son to play for England should he desire. I've no issues at all.

My point is, who is to tell him he can't play for Ireland going your point of 'should be born there or grown up there'?

All in all, international football is a joke. But I feel my point still stands. I hope he grows up to be as connected to Ireland as he can particularly through his family.

But it will be his choice should he want to play for Ireland and feel nobody should be allowed to tell him otherwise.

If he is good enough to play for England I'd be just as proud.

14 Feb 2019 13:19:40
Angel, So should he be allowed to play for Brazil? Or France? Or Germany?

Who should tell him he can't? There are always rules, what I'm suggesting is that they aren't strict enough at the moment and I feel they have been relaxed with the intention of getting more higher quality players in to International tournaments. However, in doing so they undermine the idea of it being an international tournament. I disagree with having managers from different countries. If you are competing as a country then you should be hiring and playing people who are genuinely from your country.

Players like George Best never got to play at the World cup, should he have been allowed to play for England just so he can play in the tournament? No, and in that instance we are talking about one of the best footballers to have ever played.

There are rules and they are in place to protect the integrity of the tournament. I don't think allowing players to represent countries they have never lived in or have a genuine connection to should be allowed to play for those countries.

14 Feb 2019 15:15:00
I get where you're coming from Shaps, and I do think it probably should be restricted to parent's nationality. But it's easier to preach about strict nationality rules, when you belong to a country with a population of 60 million. Smaller nations don't have that luxury of a large talent pool, and if they're not allowed to use every advantage within the rules, then you may us well just let the big nations play each other all the time, because the chances of smaller nations staying competitive are greatly reduced.

14 Feb 2019 16:37:22
And sorry shaps. Sometimes hard to read between lines. I do have a great sense of humour, I swear 😂.

14 Feb 2019 16:38:27
Good point nou. International sports have become a joke though. Look at rugby, cricket etc.

14 Feb 2019 19:34:06
Stevie, are you taking the P? You had Georgie Best, so don't preach about smaller nations not having the talent.

On a serious note though I get what your saying. However, that still allows larger nations to abuse the system like France in 98, Germany with Kevin Kuranyi, Portugal with Deco or Italy with Thiago Motta.

These aren't small nations that typically struggle to qualify.

I feel the rule need to be stricter if you want to call it an international tournament. However, I do concede that the qualification process needs addressing so the smaller nations aren't shoved to the periphery as they currently are. Unfortunately the money is made by the "big" or "famous" football nations being at the tournament so they do rig it to make sure they are more likely to qualify with the seeding system. It sucks, but money makes the world go round, or so they say.

14 Feb 2019 20:14:10
Shapps, we are talking about a kid who's dad is Irish. If he feels more Irish than English due to his heritage and family, then who is anyone to tell him different. He is 1st gen and entitled to travel with his Irish passport. My boy is Irish and English, can play for who he wants.

Why would he be allowed to play for Germany or Brazil, using random countries to try and illustrate a point that makes no sense.

You stated if he's born in a country or grew up in a country then that's who he should play for. And I say nonsense to that. I'm arguing that point.

There should be a line, I think the Declan rice scenario was nonsense. His dad wasn't even born in Ireland. But the fact that he played for us all the way to and even 3 senior caps and then could change allegiance. That was nonsense too.

But born or raised in a country and can only play for that country I think is just silly.

I've got plenty of mates that are born and raised here but both parents are Irish and feel more connected to Ireland than most Irish born people I know. Using your logic, they wouldn't be allowed to represent Ireland. But in no way do they feel English?

14 Feb 2019 21:46:11
Or graham le saux or terry butcher or john barnes
Lots of english examples too left out of your post.

If the rules are there its up to the player. Rice is doing what he feels is right. I don't think he will play 10 games for england but its his choice he has to go with his heart.
Ray houghton had the best record imo a scots man scoring for ireland to win a match in euro 88 against england the stuff of dreams. 😂.

15 Feb 2019 07:41:15
Angel, my point of throwing countries like Brazil in there is because you said "who is to say who my son can or cannot play for? "

Yet your happy to accept he can't play for Brazil.

So my point has always been about where that line should be drawn.

Your point seemed like you were saying there should be no line. Yet you agree he shouldn't play for Brazil thus contradicting yourself on there being a line somewhere. My point was to highlight that you yourself would put boundaries on what is and isn't allowed. So you can't really then go on to say no one can place boundaries.

It's tricky, especially between England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. As the cultures are very similar. Yet if you agree that there is a difference between English and Irish culture then a line can be drawn.

Personally though my understanding of how people develop and gain an Identity I feel that you really do need to spend a significant part of your childhood in a country enveloped in that countries culture to adapt and adopt that country as the over riding part of your identity.

I know a great many people who were born in one place but grew up in another, or were born to parents from other countries. Sadly they often struggle to feel truly connected to a place or culture that just isn't a part of them due to not being exposed enough to it at an early age.

That's why for me it is sensible to draw the line at having been born or lived a significant amount of time in that country as a child.


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