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18 Oct 2017 19:48:49
Big well done to Celtic, 5 mins in and they are still drawing in Munich.

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18 Oct 2017 22:13:52
Stupid comment.

20 Oct 2017 20:33:52
It's called banter mate.

Naby Keita

18 Oct 2017 19:24:49
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new player profile about, Naby Keita

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18 Oct 2017 23:25:41
Interesting profile ed001, do you see keita and coutinho being able to play in midfield three next season for liverpool with a more defensive minded player behind them. Or is he seen as a replacement for coutinho?

{Ed001's Note - he is not seen as a replacement for Coutinho but, as Coutinho still wants to go, there is likely to be someone replacing him. They would make a decent combination though to be honest, if he did end up staying.}

18 Oct 2017 13:37:05
I see a long thread on one of these pages about how Jose is a coward and people discussing his replacement, are you serious? Jred laid it out, we've scored a load of goals and barely conceded in all competitions so far but after 1 draw away at a title rival some are disgusted.
May I remind you of the Moyes and LVG eras where we was all baying for us just to win a game and turn those 1-1's into 2-1 wins, we are now winning games at a canter but suddenly now that's not enough, we should be going all out at Anfield and maybe Jose isn't the man, have a word some of you, look at the guys record, everyone knew before we hired him what he can do away at a big club so let's not act like it's a shock, he's got us contending again and winning well.

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18 Oct 2017 15:25:42
I saw a post from Marcellus on the Arsenal site for some reason (he's a United fan) which basically said:

1. We struggled to beat a poor Southampton team in the League Cup final
2. We had a pretty easy draw throughout the Europa Cup.
3. Until Liverpool we had played nobody in the top half.

I think the truth lies somewhere between his view and WRD's.

We are progressImg but watching City and Spurs shows what we are up against.

I remain unconvinced by Jose and I don't believe his heart is really in it, Ed suggested he was unhappy and II think he's sulking. Here's a question for you all. Wenger used to be fresh and radical test know he looks like yesterday's man. How far away is Jose form that? Seeing what Pochetino did last night was brilliant, 2 up front and take a risk. I just don't see Jose doing that against the big teams. So what you may say, he wins trophies. We'll see.

18 Oct 2017 15:40:59
Ajh
Jose won the title 3 year ago unlike Arsen .
Poch got a draw away from home last night .
If at the start of the season some one said after 11 games United would of won 9 drew 2 lost 0 scored 32 goals conceded 4 nearly every fan would of been happy .
Not sure what more people want really .
It was a poor performance on Saturday just like spurs 00 draw with Swansea it won't be the last .

18 Oct 2017 15:56:08
Maybe 32 goals scored .
People wouldn't be very happy with 32 conceded if I'm honest.

18 Oct 2017 16:11:38
Joses track record suggests he only has short stays at clubs, i. e. 2-3 years. So it would be wise for the club to have a contingency plan if mourinho sticks to type.

18 Oct 2017 16:14:09
I think I sent a post by accident.

I don't disagree jred, I have enjoyed almost all our games so far. However let's see how we progress against the bigger teams and what mood Jose is in as the odd hiccup arrives. Happy to chage my mind, Pogba is proving to be way better than this I thought but whilst I've enjoyed our great start, I remain slightly uncomfortable with Jose. And Lukaku for that matter. I think we might see Inra for the big games and Lukaku scoring hat fills against the rest.

18 Oct 2017 16:45:32
Jred, we have done well all season, won games scored goals,
The issue is we went to anfield against an average back 4 and an average keeper and we didn't test them. we sat back when we should have went at them and had a go.

18 Oct 2017 16:57:07
Agreed Leahy. Embarrassing performance from us.

18 Oct 2017 17:29:20
Leahy
In your opinion .
Liverpool have conceded 1 goal at home .
It very easy to say we should do this we should do that .
It looked a solid formation which I don't have an issue with against a strong attacking team away from home .
Our forwards where shocking, our passing in general was also shocking it was just a poor performance it happens .

But what your saying is if we had off had a go at them, set up gung ho all of our players would of played great.
The whole team would of been fantastic .

Is there any chance that after the international break etc the over hyped game we simple had a bad day at the office and played rubbish .

18 Oct 2017 17:35:42
If we had been playing say Madrid, Barcelona or Paris away in the knockout stages Europe a performance and result like that may be seen as professional . I think Liverpool seem to divide option as to wether it's a hard away game, two of our best players out be professional take the draw and no harm done or they aren't that great, iffy defense and gave them too much respect . Personally the answer was in the middle to me I understood the cautious approach but we should have offered a bit more than that as their decent but not top draw.
I hope and expect jm to realise if city continue steamrollering teams then we will need more than a dour draw in those type of games but we aren't at that point yet . I hope if we employ defensive tactics again we offer a bit more than we did on sat on the break.

18 Oct 2017 17:47:14
United v Chelsea last season .
Jose dropped ibra and played rash up top he dropped martial and Miki played linders young and fellaini also played darmian.
Herrera went man for man on hazard .
Sat behind the ball.

Won 2.0 it's a masterclass, great performance by the players on the day similar tactics to Saturday.

18 Oct 2017 18:02:38
I guess if Lukaku had taken his chance and we had won 1-0 we would be calling him a genius.

{Ed025's Note - but he never and you didn,t AJH and thats why he is getting the pelters he deserved mate..

18 Oct 2017 18:23:45
I can remember pointing out last season our defense was statistically good and people pointed out quite rightly yeah but they get a lot of cover and when we get a true defensive midfielder it will release others to play further forward . We get matic who's been one of our best players so far but first proper test and it didn't change our approach one jot. jose wins trophies but not thrill seekers .
Jm has found himself in a fortunate position now beating teams lower ranked handsomely, one or two have pointed out on here though not the hardest step to make as maybe we should have beat those teams last season aswell. I don't mean to sound to critical as one game against one decent team duznt mean all the other trickier games will be like that . all we know so far is we have learned to beat teams lower in the league easily and we can knock goals in against them and look good, we will be able to judge our progress in harder games in a few weeks and not on a one off game .

18 Oct 2017 18:48:37
Jred. I don't think Leahy is saying gung ho at all. He is saying we should have went for it a bit more. Any time lukaku got the ball there was no one near him, that's not down to our forwards having a poor game, that's down to tactics full stop.

You said yourself, we played badly so it's not just Leahys opinion bit also yours.

At the end of the day it's a point at anfield. Jose and many fans will see that as job done.

We have been very good of late, great start to the season it was the manner of the performance that fans are not happy with and rightfully so. It was a pathetic performance from a team that has been playing well against a team that really hasn't been playing well, that's all.

18 Oct 2017 19:09:09
Good thread. And wait for it. i'm in complete agreement with jred. Yeah i know!
We were awful and i don't agree with the approach but its what he will do 6 times a season. We might nick 2 draw 2 and lose 2 but i'd put up with that if the other 32 games were as enjoyable as the first 7 this season. That would win the league every season.
Its what jose does it frustrates me at times but its been a proven model for him. Simeone does the same at AM.
It was pathetic on sat.

18 Oct 2017 19:19:01
Angle
We played poor as a team .
The players had a off day .

Of course if we had played 3 up top all the same would players would of played great?

The balls in to lukaku where shocking our passing was shocking .
But if Jose had set up to attack more all of our passing would of been perfect?

Lukaku couldn't hold the ball up at all his first touch was poor ( was he playing with a knock) but a more attacking line up he would off been amazing, great first touch great hold up play?

Similar tactic to the Chelsea game imo, young darmian rash fellaini linders all brought in Herrera given 1 job look after hazard .

Players all played well so it's a masterclass.

Maybe it was just a bad game bad day at the office? Maybe we won't win every game 4.0 .

{Ed025's Note - dont try and justify saturdays performance (or non-performance should i say) as a tactical masterstroke jred, jose got it horribly wrong and proved all the supporters who think hes a cretin dead right mate..

18 Oct 2017 19:24:02
Against Chelsea rash and linders where very good
Miki hand lukaku had a mare .
Against Chelsea our passing was good our out balls where good, against the scouse shocking.

Similar tactics 1 good performance 1 bad performance .

18 Oct 2017 19:24:33
It's like we said we were scoring goal, We were getting forward then we went to an field and parked the bus. a bit frustrating.
Now some might say a good point away to Liverpool but for me you have to have a go.

{Ed025's Note - dead right leahy..

19 Oct 2017 09:25:06
WRD, that will be me I guess you’re referring to. I suggested the club find an alternative because Mourinho was talking about working for someone else because apparently his £15 million per year salary is not enough. Also after 18 months he is still living in a hotel. Put these two together and it tells me he has no interest in being at Man Utd. If this is the case, then what is so outrageous about suggesting we find someone who does want the job? What kind of message does his lack of commitment send to others at the club, especially the players?

It’s interesting you mention cowardice; I think you might be on to something. Top sports people need courage wheras Mourinho always bottles it in the big games. Last week’s Liverpool game was the latest example. Even last night we were pretty flat against a fairly poor team. Wheras Spurs had the courage to properly take on Madrid and Liverpool scored a hatful, we huffed and puffed and just about got a win because of a cock up from their keeper. So, you tell me whether that’s us contending and winning well as you say.

I think AJH has pretty much nailed it in his response to your post. Top Managers need to keep innovating and I don’t see Jose doing that. He’s starting to become yesterdays man so instead of all the BS and the bluster, let’s see if he’s got it in him to find an extra gear and come up with something different. Our aspiration is to be the best in Europe and we won’t achieve that by hiding everytime we come up against a decent team in a tricky game. I realise by saying this I am also agreeing with Jamie Carragher which is a first.

I’d love to see him do it but I think he’s too arrogant to see what’s required. I think he’ll stay for another year or two then leave for Paris. No doubt he’ll have improved us after the nightmare of Moyes and LvG but we will need someone else to take us to the next level of truly competing with the best.

19 Oct 2017 10:47:24
I’m sure the club are always on the look out and have contingency plans, Jose usually stays 3 years so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him leave after his contract.
Cowardice isn’t a word I’d associate with a man who has won everything in the game, people may not like his tactics in certain games but it generally gets the job done. I just feel it’s a massive overreaction to 1 result which when taken in isolation is a good point, everyone seems to have forgotten that we’ve not lost a single game and in fact won every game bar 2.
It seems fans are never happy, you can’t tell me if at the beginning of the season you’d have been offered being unbeaten with hatfuls of goals but oh there’s be a bit of a bore draw at Anfield you’d go ‘no this isn’t good enough’. I don’t see anyone out there who is better than Jose who can take us to the next level, Poch- won nothing, Klopp- gone nowhere, Pep- has found the Prem a struggle, who else? Nobody for me.
I feel the actual debate really is if people prefer style or substance.

19 Oct 2017 17:39:05
WRD; why can't we have both? This is Manchester Utd we are talking about. Serial winners with a tradition of playing high quality football.

When faced with difficult opposition the way Mourinho plays lacks courage. It takes bravery to believe in your own abilities and to try and impose yourself on quality opposition. It's this self belief which makes the difference between winners and talented also rans.

The problem with Jose's approach just at a practical level (nevermind stylistically) is fourfold:

Firstly it undermines the players self belief. His approach says to them that they aren't good enough to beat the other team. This then becomes self fulfilling.

Secondly, it's old hat and managers can work out what to do against it. Like Mourinho said; he was stumped because Klopp left three energetic midfielders on the pitch. If he didn't know how to beat a team because they do this then he needs a rethink. Wenger was once fresh and new but didn't re-invent himself. Mourinho is going the same way.

THirdly, its accepting of losing a certain amount of points - if we go for a draw at all the away games at top six clubs then we are deliberately trying to forfeit 12 points which are their to play for. Those 12 points could lose us the league.

Forthly, this pragmatic approach is not enough against the best. We couldn't even beat Liverpool using it so what chance does this approach have against Madrid, Barca, Juve, Bayern, City etc especially in a knock out competition?

We should be aspiring to go toe to toe and beat these teams, not hiding away from them. You say Jose wins stuff and he has. That isn't to say he will continue to win in the future.

Our ambition is the league not the league cup and the champions league not the cup winners cup. To achieve this our team and our manager need the courage to believe in their own abilities

Parking the bus.

17 Oct 2017 21:40:44
Another good night for English clubs in the CL.

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17 Oct 2017 21:55:08
Good night for Goals Galore (BTTS), bookies will be paying out tonight.

Well done Spurs for going to Madrid and playing football.

17 Oct 2017 22:06:47
Very solid syd, good upfront as well good performance .
7 goals for the scouse as well score goals them boys.

17 Oct 2017 23:12:57
Yes i thought spurs were terrific city from the highlights were good value for their win and scoring 7 in any game is great that had been coming for a while imo from Liverpool.
Lets hope tomorrow we can get back to the tempo we played prior to last Saturday.

18 Oct 2017 06:42:01
I thought Spurs were terrific and a great result for Liverpool. Let's hope we set up to win and not just sneak a goal.

18 Oct 2017 08:02:07
Haven't seen any of the city game but that's a good win napoli are a good team from what I've seen this season.

18 Oct 2017 09:16:38
Praise must go to pochettino for playing two out and out strikers at RM in the bernabau. I thought they rode their luck a bit but Kane could have nicked it late on. So they deserve their point just for their courage and trying to play football. If mourinho is thinking of leaving (And I won't be surprised if he does as Woodward and the owners have shown their lack of ambition in comparison to other top clubs), then I would love Pochettino to come. We would finally have a manager with the right idea of playing football and he's good at man management and seems a down to earth person. He will also fit in with glazers and Woodward player recruitment as he's been quite shrewd at his time at Southampton and Spurs.
City were lucky I thought, napoli missed a penalty and stones handball should have seen them concede another penalty. Ref got the calls right apart from that one. But city's defence did look shambolic at times.

18 Oct 2017 10:09:42
Sch
Since Jose come to town how many teams have spent more than us?
Woodward and the glazers player recruitment?
We have spent a fourtune the last few years .
Thankfully we got our business done before the neymar deal but pogba and lukaku where huge deals .
And I fully expect us to spend big again in the market next summer.

18 Oct 2017 14:21:34
Schmid, you're criticising the lack of ambition of the owners, then claiming Poch would be a great manager as he's very shrewd in the transfer market. You can't have it both ways, mate.

18 Oct 2017 14:23:06
Apologies, Schmid. I misread your post. Cancel my last 😀.

18 Oct 2017 15:39:01
Stevie, time for your nap.

18 Oct 2017 17:52:35
No problem Stevie. I just think that mourinho might have expected more from the owners and Woodward. But it's their business and they'll run it as they wish I suppose. I don't like the owners or Woodward one bit, but there's nothing we can do about it. Pochettino on the other hand is used to working on a budget and that might suit the Glazers and their puppet or shall I say Muppet.
Jred, since mourinho came in, city and PSG and even Barcelona with a transfer ban have out spent us. But the point is City, PSG and Barcelona already had better teams and squads and we're playing catchup for all the years that we didn't compete, no value in the market etc etc. So the onus is on us to buy the best when they're available, but sadly this doesn't happen. We spent £75m on a striker and created a big fanfare. City spent over £110m on two full backs. Then they went and spent another £30m on another fullback in danillo just to sit on the bench. They have de bruyne, Silva, gundogan, fernandinho, yaya, sane and they still felt the need to spend over £45m on Bernardo Silva who will walk into any side in the PL.
The point is, these clubs have owners who are genuinely interested in football. They'll do anything to ensure the best players are playing for them. Can you or any United fan genuinely believe that the Glazers have the same footballing ambition of the City or PSG owners? Not in a million years.

18 Oct 2017 22:20:03
Too much vinho verde, Tony. Never too proud to admit when I get it wrong, tho. I give Schmid a hard enough time over his views on certain aspects of the club, never mind when i'm too drunk to read his post properly 😀.

17 Oct 2017 10:48:41
Mhkitaryan is abit hit and miss in my opinion. He does score goals and provide assists but his form varies from game to game. Inevitably he goes missing. The Liverpool game for example where Mhkitaryan was pretty much invisible. When he's good he's good but when he's bad he's bad. There's no happy medium.
The Liverpool game is perhaps a difficult game to judge him on due to Mourinho's negative tactics.

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17 Oct 2017 13:52:15
Miki is an attacking player. if we play to attack he is great but like many against Liverpool we were restricted because we played so defensive.

If we would have pushed up a little more and squeezed the wingers we may have had a more entertaining game.

But a point away is not so bad. We will need to improve if we plan to go to Chelsea and play like this.

17 Oct 2017 15:41:17
Bolger - Exactly and the most pointless thing of all is although it ended 0.0, Liverpool had good chances to score. So shutting up shop only worked because Liverpool were toothless, not because our negative game-plan was full proof.

17 Oct 2017 16:26:02
Sydney that's a bit harsh. Liverpool really only had one genuine chance and that too came off a poor pass from one of our players.

17 Oct 2017 16:48:49
Not really Shan, they got into good positions a few times but couldn't find a player. Couple times ball whizzed along the six yard box. Emre Can had a good chance. Then there were a couple headers which they really should have done better with. Salah chance, Matip chance.

It's us that had one chance mate.

17 Oct 2017 17:21:41
Was southampton performance from mkhi also down to mourinho's tactics, i hope he gets dropped atleast for the big away games, he can't keep the ball with any regularity, when he is not assisting or scoring he is giving the ball away that's how inconsistent he is, his stats paper over a lot of the rubbish performances he has put in this season, i don't think we can say he has played really well for 90 mins in any game yet he has more assists than most of our players in whole of last season, but when there is no end product like against southampton or liverpool you can see how much of a liability he is on the pitch.

17 Oct 2017 17:28:50
Micky has been quite underwhelming for me this season, his assist stats don't really tell the fully story of how he's played.

He gives the ball away too much and his obsession with nutmegging players can be quite frustrating.

Hopefully we can get mata back in the team and both of them can link up as that's normally when we play our best stuff.

17 Oct 2017 17:45:25
Dsg your right. Miki plays much better when pgba and mata are tgere to play with him they are mire on his wavelength.
That said i said before the game last week that miki has never shone in a 100mph game. In fact most his best displays have come in european games.
He still has a lot to prove imo. Would mata do better as the 10? Personally i think mata would do at least as well and probably be more consistent in the ten position as miki does.

17 Oct 2017 17:47:02
Definitely needs competition in that position, I think if Perisic came in like Jose wanted, then Mata and Miki would be fighting it out for that position.

17 Oct 2017 19:22:53
Is Mkhitaryan the new Nani? Fantastic on his day, but lacks consistency.

17 Oct 2017 19:28:16
Maybe, Nani did turn up in some big games though. He too had many assists. I think like Kagawa Mikhitaryan suits certain games to others. He's a very good player, but not consistent enough to be that level above as yet. We'll see.

17 Oct 2017 20:46:35
Maybe Miki is the new fellaini .
People seem to need have someone to blame if we don't win every game.

17 Oct 2017 23:02:56
Im certainly not blaming him for us not winning on sat. I'm saying that he is a little inconsistent. He has played really well in big European games and some league games but he had not gout to grips yet and had not performed well in the really high tempo 100mph games. He just hasn't found his rhythm in those matches. I'd look to him for more goals also.
On his day he is great but on an off day he can look veey average.
What i do really admire about him is that he always wants the ball and is always looking forward trying to make something happen.
He links well with mata and pogba and their movement give him targets and create space for him.
On saturday he had no targets and no movement ahead of him even the great Messi wiuld struggle with nine team mates behind him for 90 mins.
Id rather see miki and mata rotate at 10 and play martial left and rash on the right in our current preferred shape. Jessie can rotate either side.
I think both have won the right to start.

17 Oct 2017 07:06:16
A little off topic, everything seems to be either about how appalling the performance against Pool was or whether Jose will finish his career with us not.

Question for the eds and even the posters. have you any of you ever thought of picking up coaching badges. Especially the eds, your in-depth knowledge about not just the players, but the way a team plays and different way that they play as well. Your analysis are spot-on and you someone know how good or bad a team and a manager really is.

So, just wanted to know if you ever thought of coaching kids at the grassroots level or even training a team.

Thanks.

{Ed001's Note - thought about it but they were too expensive to ever consider doing.}

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17 Oct 2017 07:36:01
I was not one saying how appalling the performance was nor speculating on Jose’s career.

I managed a team many years ago but it became too much hassle, players not turning up or turning up late and threats if I didn’t play people, or play people in the position they wanted. At times they were not adult like but school kids attitude. It was in pre mobile phone days so my landline phone bill went through the roof (checking on players) at a time when I couldn’t afford it. I changed the way they played, moved a forward to the back and he became the best defender in the league. Still the hassle wasn’t worth doing it long term. No time for coaching badges, just armchair ones.

17 Oct 2017 08:27:00
Ed001 that is part of the problem in english football. it is so much more expensive in england to do your coaching badges compared to elsewhere. we lack a serious amount of decent coaching at all levels, due to the cost and lack of incentive to do them.

{Ed001's Note - very much so mate. It is not about bringing through the best coaches to the FA, it is about making money.}

17 Oct 2017 10:00:06
I started along the path a few years ago. But as Ed001 has pointed out cost soon becomes a problem. It cost me £140 for my level one (but I had to take a week off work to complete it, which as I was self employed at the time cost me a weeks earnings) . My level two cost me £340 plus two weeks wages. Although both courses were interesting for different reasons neither really imparted much tactical or coaching knowledge to you. They focused on your ability to deliver a coaching session, safe guarding, first aid and the "FA's vision for football". They want kids to enjoy football as that is why we struggle to produce top quality players apparently.
The issue is to climb further up the ladder you really need to start considering your UEFA B license, UEFA A license then you FIFA pro license. The UEFA B license will set you back by over £5000. Then the others cost more again. So unless you have loads of spare cash kicking about, or you get sponsored by a club then you won't be able to get them.

For me this is the real issue with football in England. For comparison we have just under 3000 people in this country with one of the top three licenses, and we have around about 120 professional football clubs. Were these people exclusively work. In the Netherlands they have less than 45 professional club yet they have over 18000 people with one of the top three licenses. But in the Netherlands many of these highly qualified people work at grass roots level. So you can imagine the difference in standard in coaching the kids receive at grass roots level.

If the FA instead of spending millions on the almost pointless St George's park put the money towards subsidising coaching qualification cost then maybe we would start producing some quality players.

{Ed001's Note - have you heard of Mark Bennet Shapps? Performance Development Systems is his company. He is someone who is well worth listening to if you haven't. His ideas of coaching are spot on, teach kids to think for themselves and the best coaches make themselves redundant. I urge anyone interested in getting into coaching to look him up and take the time to listen to what he has to say. He does coach mentoring as well. Before anyone asks, I have no connection to the guy at all, he is not sponsoring me, I have never spoken to him or met him, just read a lot of articles and heard him speak on a number of podcasts and he is very impressive.}

17 Oct 2017 10:22:09
I passed my level 1 and 2 a number of years ago. They cost around £500. I used to help run a few youth teams and the club paid half. Uefa badges are ridiculously expensive and very tough. I've genuinely been thinking about getting into reffing sat afternoons. The standard has been shocking in my area and it's about £35 per match. I've just been medically retired from playing and I'm tempted. Be interesting as I've been captain of my club for six years so had a lot of ref bull in my time. Tempted to see what it's like on the other side of the whistle.

17 Oct 2017 10:39:47
James,

I reffed for quite a while when I was at Uni to bring in a bit of extra cash, I wanted to see how difficult it was and see things from the other side. It is tricky and you do make mistakes but I found at the level I was reffing if you were respectful and a nice guy to the players most of them were nice and respectful back to you even if you made an error which can happen to anybody.

Too often I play and have refs who are arrogant or won’t speak to you or don’t understand the game and that causes major issues. Knowing the rules is a very important part of the game and not holding grudges against teams who have a bit of a go at you can be tricky but you have to be 100% impartial with every decision and be honest with yourself and all of the players and I found they respected me for that.

17 Oct 2017 16:48:28
I haven't Ed001 to he honest. But I'll look him up when I get a chance. I recently went back into education, the going atm is pretty intense. Lol.

{Ed001's Note - here is the website save you having to search for it.}

17 Oct 2017 19:00:58
GDS - mate the standard is so poor here. I watched a goal kick get given after a defender encroached during a penalty. That's a declaration of war in Luton!

I was assistant manager last year for an adult team and I had the same problems as Redman. Every young lad turning up with their green and pink boots thinking they were Ronaldo. They would cry at positions, if their mate wasn't playing etc. They skag of older players and show little respect. Great, you can do all your flicks and tricks but they bottled 50/ 50s and argued like hell. I came back and played for half a season at in the top league and worryingly I wasn't out of place four years after my last game. Youngsters today just don't want to listen to tactics, off the ball work. It really opened my eyes to attitudes these days. If I walked into a dressing room back in the day and said and acted the way some of them do, I would have got eaten alive.

I would do youth teams again but them you have the same problems with parents thinking their kid is a star. Parents ruin youth football for me.

Rant over.

16 Oct 2017 19:45:15
Ed’s - with all the recent talk of Jose Mourinho’s interest in Paris and PSG, do you think there is substance in the rumours that Jose isn’t a big fan of Ed Woodward? It has been suggested Jose feels Woodward has been too hesitant in recruitment and slow to provide funds. According to Duncan Castles, Jose also feels the club is run too inefficiently and bureaucratically. Grateful for any insiight you may have. Many thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to gossip and I explained previously there were issues - those issues don't go away easily.}

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16 Oct 2017 15:03:45
A lot made of city's 7 goals at the weekend, they had a front line
Sterling Jesus and sane, sterling is the oldest at 22 years old .
How would them 3 do in the United team and how would our 2 young lads martial and rash do in the city team?

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16 Oct 2017 15:57:59
Good point Jred,

Jesus is probably the best of the lot but I don't think there's much between Rashford, Martial, Sane and Sterling.

I think Sane would be great for us whilst I obviously haven't seen as much of him as the Utd lads he seems to be more of a natural wide player than Rashford or Martial. He's left footed so maybe he could play on the right wing instead of Mata to add some pace and penetration to our team?

I think Martial would be fantastic in the City side given Pep's inclination for attacking football. He'd play higher up the pitch and be given more licence in that left channel to run at players and create things. The same could be said for Rashford.

16 Oct 2017 21:20:32
Good point about martial Danny. I said before if he's forced to play as a traditional left winger, ie to track back and cover the whole touchline, then he won't prosper. He's a wide attacker/ inverted winger (or whatever you want to call it these days), who's also arguably our best finisher, and he needs to be played to his strengths.

And having poor excuses for left backs behind him makes matters worse.
That said, he can definitely try harder at times.

16 Oct 2017 22:11:31
Martial doesn't make enough selfish runs to play in a pep team, prefers the ball to feet too much.

17 Oct 2017 12:45:52
Martial is lazy and whilst he remains so he won't get any better. Has the ability but lazy.

16 Oct 2017 12:32:21
I think the press and fans are jumping onto the Mourinho not ending his career with us and blowing it way out of proportion. Jose has at least 17 years left until he is 70 odd years old and I think we all know deep down he is not going to be here for that long. I would expect him to stay beyond his 3 year contract but not stay longer than 7 years. He has previously stated he has ambitions of managing portugal and I can see him going to PSG. But i think we need to take what has been said in the media with a pinch of salt.

This, in my opinion, is the hardest job he has ever taken. To revive a wounded giant such as ourselves, under intense media scrutiny that united always have coupled with the need to play attacking and entertaining football. I think the key is to have a succession plan which is something that City have done really well. The club has been in turmoil since Fergie left and Mourinho has come in and has tried to change this. There has been a overhaul of the scouting system, academy and the facilities.

I think the idea of having a Director of Football is integral for us to move forward. In the modern day, there needs to be a bridge between the wigs on the board and the manager and this would make a change of manager less disruptive. Managers are not going to build dynasties a la Fergie and to an extent Wenger and this is something that the club has to accept. Personally, if Jose does go I would look to appoint a director of football and look at Pochettino or Marco Silva who is a fantastic young manager.

Of course all of this is speculation and pointless but I think we need to relax. We have gone to Anfield and come out with a point. Peformance was terrible but people are forgetting Arsenal and Chelsea just lost. We take the point and move on. We go again and we carry on winning. Pogba is intergal and I hope he is back soon because he tranforms our team.

Eds opinions appreicated.

{Ed002's Note - (a) He has no intention of working until he is 70. (b) It is not the "hardest job he has ever taken" - Manchester United and Liverpool fans are unable to see beyond the red tinted spectacle about the glasses they wear. (c) The club were unable to appoint the Director of Football they wanted - and JM would have been happy with. Simply appointing one at random won't work for him.}

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16 Oct 2017 14:40:12
Hi Ed thanks for the reply. What do you think has been jose's hardest job if you do not think it is the united job?

Am I right in thinking that we were after the Athletico Madrid Director? I was not not suggesting we appoint someone random but instead suggesting that this should be a high priority for us.

Thanks for the insights.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get into anything about his hardest job as it is not worth the grief. No, MU were not after the AM DoF.}

16 Oct 2017 15:01:08
No problem thanks ed.

16 Oct 2017 19:12:32
It was the dof of sevilla who we were after but he chose Roma.

16 Oct 2017 22:17:32
The united job has got to be one of the easiest jobs in the world if you consider that the boards actions have shown since fergie left that as long as you get champions league football you're safe.

Im in no doubt the fans think differently and have higher expectations but the glazers, woodward etc have been quite lenient with managers post fergie.

17 Oct 2017 06:57:15
DSG, really? Moyes was acid after 1 year, LVG managed 2. That doesn't sound pariticularly lenient to me. They realised they made a mistake with Moyes and sacked him and LVG was sacked immediately after winning the FA Cup. Looks quite clinical to me.

17 Oct 2017 21:51:35
In a modern context i think it is AJH, if moyes and lvg performed like that at city, chelsea, madrid or bayern theyd have been hooked mid season.

With the resources available to united managers nowadays asking for champions league football season in season out isn't too much to ask in my opinion.

Obviously if were just looking at uniteds history then they have been given short shrift but i was speaking in relation to ruthless attitudes towards managers in recent times.

16 Oct 2017 07:46:21
Hey Ed's. What do you make of Mourinho's Paris and United not my last job statement?
Do we have anything to worry about?

{Ed004's Note - I never expected Jose to finish his career here. I’m expecting him to stay 3 seasons and after that we should have built a very strong squad}

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16 Oct 2017 15:00:35
Neither do i, but hope he stays for a while longer. Thanks for the answer ED!

 


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