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23 Apr 2019 17:54:36
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always.
I have never been more excited as a United fan.
Over the past 25 years of supporting United, I had grown to know what to expect. Success was inevitable, big signings were always going to happen and we were serious contenders on all competitive fronts. However, over the past 5 years I had grown used to seeing a different United. A United that isn't any of the above points I've already mentioned. With each match filling me with anxiety, watching my team was almost becoming something I can't enjoy.
But, we have finally reached the time for change. Under Ole, there is now genuine determination for my club to succeed once again. There is determination to remove anyone that is facing any direction but forwards. There is determination to only recruit players that want to play for a love of the club. I still have no idea what to expect over the next few months, but for the first time in years, I mean that in a way that I expect nothing but progress.
We are Manchester United, and from here things will only get better.

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23 Apr 2019 18:52:39
Great Post King gigsy. I love and share your optimism for the future and hope that the talk from Olly is not hollow and he us allowed to make the changes we know are needed.
Whatever I will remain a loyal and optimistic supporter and hope for better next year.

23 Apr 2019 19:36:03
Giggsy that's a good post mate.
Its all gone wrong over the past 6 years but a new season is a new beginning.
Ole has a tough job but i believe he knows what he wants to do.

Ajh made a good point the other day. That 2 or 3 new 1st team players arriving and clicking it could improve the other 8 dramatically.

For me the mist important thing in any game is to be in control ( that can be with or without the ball) but we rarely look in control. No calmness at the back and really poor communication and that starts with ddg.
We don't control possession or tempo in against the better teams and havnt Done for years.
We lack pace awareness vision movement and invention across the midfield and attack.

We have some highly regarded youth players and i trust ole to give them a chance next season. Once he rids us of all the big time charlies we will be better off.

There were some severe critics of jose last season and earlier this and in many ways a lot of that critisism was justified.
He was not observing and adhering yo the clubs traditions.
He was surly
He didn't look interested
He didn't appear to be trying his best.
He said controversial things to the press knowing it would welcome adverse publicity.
Now is the time to rid ourselves of the players who do all the above and worse.
So much to look forward to lots of fans only supporting in the last 30 years won't have seen anything like it.
But i'm of an age where I've seen it before. We will come back. The rules are different now and it won't be easy but i can't wait to enjoy the ride.

23 Apr 2019 20:14:57
Love the optimism!

I think Ole is a place holder for another manager and I think he is the right guy for now. Feels like we may have now reached rock bottom and the wheels are in motion to bounce back.

24 Apr 2019 09:18:27
Such a refreshing thread. There are lots of things wrong with our club at the moment but it's only football. We're not at war in South Sudan. Bit of perspective and (cautious) optimism is just what's needed sometimes.

23 Apr 2019 17:41:21
I'm over in Mexico at the minute and have been receiving Spanish language news.

One of the articles was about a UK bias at Utd and the Spanish speakers / clique feel hard done by and would have had new contracts if they where English. The article specifically mentions Herrera, De Gea, Mata, Rojo and Valencia.

Probably bias and Brexit tinted article but wondered if there is a thread of truth here based on recent form of these players and the others not playing at all.

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23 Apr 2019 17:58:08
Well Valencia is past it and should have gone last summer. Rojo is permanently injured and rubbish anyway and had an extension inexplicably 13 months ago. Mata is a great guy but too slow for the English game, ineffective out wide and not that great centrally. Herrera can argue he's hard done by but he's asking for stupid money by all accounts. And de Gea can also argue like Herrera but I have a feeling its deliberately running his deal down.

A UK bias at a UK club, how dare we.

23 Apr 2019 18:02:35
No bias. I agree with mort there 100%.

23 Apr 2019 18:40:26
Well said mort.

23 Apr 2019 20:16:16
I'm in complete agreement but interesting to hear this be reported on.

23 Apr 2019 21:51:32
Read this the other day and just assumed it was a slow news day for United related news.

23 Apr 2019 17:16:14
I know i may be in the minority here but i find gary nevilles latest comments slightly on the embarrassing side of things.

He has rightfully called out pogba, ddg, martial, lukaku, sanchez and rashford as those who are not pulling their weight. He has excused rashford as he may be carrying a knock although the same would surely apply to martial who has also been injured this season.

However he has conveniently left out or excused his ‘mates’ or anyone that he may have worked with at england.

Apparently after 10 years fans shouldn't expect smalling to be able to pass 5 yards successfully or jones to go through 3 consecutive games without getting some sort of Wierd injury only he could get.

Dont dare call out ashley young as he is doing us a favour by playing out of position and given us long service. That doesn't mean he should put in a successful cross once in a while.

Its this sort of lax attitude to the experienced british players in the squad that has gotten us into this mess and for someone who obviously has great love for the club, he should probably reign it in a bit.

He was the one acting like a giddy schoolboy begging for ole to be appointed before the end of the season and look where that has gotten us.

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23 Apr 2019 17:47:42
There’s a definite element of that.

His argument is that Young isn’t responsible because he has to play in defence because we have failed to sign quality fullbacks. But that didn’t stop him arguing that Young deserved to be called up for England to play as a fullback last summer.

Smalling and Jones are a major part of our defensive failings, and they never get called up by former players. Rashford has a bad attitude, only bothers when the team is set up for him. But there’s always an excuse for him too. Golden boy/ 26 year old Lingard puts a good performance in every 10 starts, and uses big games to help launch his brand, and they never call him out.

The likes of Neville and Scholes always want to blame things on the bad influence of foreigners at the club. But our English players are some of the biggest offenders.

23 Apr 2019 18:03:09
I think its about time names were named. But I think the players you mentioned, Smalling, Jones and Young (sounds like one of those 70s super folk/ pop groups) should also get their deserved criticism as well.

23 Apr 2019 18:04:46
Recently there has been reports in the media that english players are being prioritised over players such as non english players and if that's true then that is disgtaceful.

It doesn't matter if your english or non englishas long as you are good enough to play for the club.

It is all laughable at the moment with the sruff coming out in the media.

{Ed002's Note - Nonsense. Home grown players are needed at all cubs. -= You might want to understand the rules before sharing this bile.}

23 Apr 2019 18:38:40
What a load of tosh from you Singh.

23 Apr 2019 18:44:34
I know ed and to be fair i forgot about the home grown quota and that is probably one of the reasons why they were given contracts but i was merely pointing out what has been mentioned in the media.

Anyways thanks for clearing that up.

23 Apr 2019 15:49:02
From this list of players we have in our squad I would like to know peoples thoughts on which player to keep and which one to be sold.

Definitely keep: DDG, Pogba, Shaw, Rashford, McT, Lindelof
Squad Player: Dalot (needs time), Lukaku, Fred, Matic, Lingard.
Sell/ Release: Jones, Young, Smalling, Rojo, Mata, Alexis, Pereira, Bailly, TFM.

Promote: Tuanzebe, Greenwood, Chong ( use Occasionally)

{Ed004's Note - I would say the same except Smalling and Martial to squad players and would only include DDG and Pogba in the definitely keep if they committed to the club long term}

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23 Apr 2019 16:05:21
Definitely keep: DDG, Shaw, Rashford. For the likes of Pogba, Bailly and Lindelof (for me our best pair in defence but need to improved a lot) I would keep them but won't affect me if they leave.

Squad Player: Dalot, Lukaku, Matic, Lingard, Mata, Pereira (miles better than Fred but is not given the same chances), McT, TFM.

Sell/ Release:FRED (way overrated), Jones, Young, Smalling, Rojo, Alexis (A MOST SELL RELEASE) .

I agree on you're Promote player but would add Angel Gomez.

23 Apr 2019 16:10:18
I'd sell Pogba this summer. Wouldn't even consider anything else. Doesn't want to be here, bad influence in the dressing room and most games little to no effort. can't keep making excuses for him.

I"d also sell de Gea for the right amount if all the fee was made available for transfers.

Martial would also be gone. Not enough effort.

23 Apr 2019 16:21:26
I don't see the the need to differentiate between squad player and first team player as I feel everyone in the squad should be able to compete for a first team spot. So for me its just a keep list and a sell list.

Keep: Romero, Grant, Henderson, Dalot, Young, Lindelof, Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Matic, McTominay, Andreas Pereira, Fred, Lingard, Lukaku, Rashford and Martial.

Sell/ Release: DDG, Joel Pereira, Valencia, Darmian, Rojo, TFM, Bailly, Herrera, Pogba, Mata and Sanchez

Then Promote: Tuanzebe, Gomes and Greenwood.
Loan out: Garner and Chong. Maybe Gomes in January depending how he's doing.

Sign: RB, CB, CM (box to box), AM and RW. Possibly Wan-Bissaka, Romagnoli, NDombele, Bruno Fernandes and Nicolas Pepe.

Then the following summer move on Young, Matic, Jones definitely. With Smalling, Andreas Pereira, Lukaku and Martial depending on how they do next season.

For me the time has come to let DDG go, as great as he is it isn't worth further destroying our wage structure to keep him. Plus I feel he will have an early decline for a goalkeeper as his game is strongly based around his reflexes which will be the first thing to decline. His positioning, commanding of his area, organisation skills, communication, coming for high balls and his distribution are all sub par for a world class goalkeeper. Pogba doesn't want to be here and he needs to go. I have been damning of Jose Mourinho in the past but he rarely calls a player a virus. Pogba is at the centre of all of our problems with our squad.

23 Apr 2019 16:37:41
I agree with mort and shappy. Time to move DDG and Pogba on. We will have serious issue in the future with wage structure and mercenaries if we give DDG what he wants. No man is bigger than the club. We need to regain order again and getting rid of the bad apples and players on obscene wages is a start. I don’t need to add why we should get rid of pogba as it has even done to death now.

Listening to Oles comments the last few days has given me some hope. He knows what needs to be done and I think he is sick of a large portion of this squad. The culture needs a change. Those that are not committed need to be shown the door. No matter how good they are. I would rather a player who had 80% percent of pogba’s ability but has 110% of mctominay’s attitude and commitment. I’m sick of it.

23 Apr 2019 17:36:22
+1 Shappy. I posted something similar as pitch if I was running the club which was broadly on the same lines.

23 Apr 2019 17:39:18
Gut instinct was to wholeheartedly agree with shappys In s and Outs: but then I looked closer at what we have left, and its sadly frightening!
Romero ok great no 2 but Grant coaching at best. Young effort but exposed more and more ina position that's not natural and with Var expect more penalties against with Mike and Matic. Lukaku cannot trap a ball and martial is more often poor than good. It really doesn't leave a title chasing bunch. Okay players to come in, and the "kept lot" are not all going to start but it shows how far behind we really are. Its possible to get players in part ex for pogba, DDG etc but really we are at risk of clearing out the big shots' garages. The fundamental problem is the structure of the club through all levels of developement through certainly a lack of structure but perceivably through complacency. We need to clear the decks of outdated, unwanted and troublesome players, staff and personnel which will take a decade or more.

23 Apr 2019 18:11:13
I agree with Ed004 here but i would definitely not want Smalling in the first 11.

23 Apr 2019 18:12:27
I would also get rid of Pogba as i think we will get the same issues next year. We can't afford to have another year of Pogba's drama.

23 Apr 2019 19:03:06
I know Angel but i didn't mean it the way it came across to you guys. I will put my hand up and say that was rubbish from me! . I am not shy in owing up. Like i explained above i didn't take the english quota into account as it completely slipped out of my head.

23 Apr 2019 19:29:52
Cookyman, I agree to a large extent. Yet we can't sell everyone. I have tried to focus the outs on the "problem" players. Be that bad attitude, poor work ethic or ridiculous destabilising wages. The players with not enough talent, but the right mentality and work ethic have a stay of execution otherwise we would be selling 12-15 players. Which just isn't practical.

I think your being a little harsh on Romero who is an excellent goalkeeper, and vastly underrated by many. For me DDG is only better at shot stopping. But Romero is better at distribution, at organisation and in the air. However, DDG shot-stopping has been god tier for the last few seasons.

I posted an article the other day where I outline that turning this squad around will take at least 2 years. The issues with the squad is the main reason for this. Next season if we sell the right players and bring in the right players we will still be looking at getting top four as a main target. Then build from there the following season. This squad is far too far gone to recover it in one window.

24 Apr 2019 09:47:20
Yes Shappy I agree as said romero Ok meaning he is a great no 2 but to elaborate he could easily cover no 1.Think we are both agreeing it will take time but I honestly think it will take longer than 2 year playing side but the approach, logistiacal running of the club by placing improved structure will take longer as we have been stuck in a rut for a while.
Ever the eternal optimist I will still be at OT tonite cheering and shouting the team on:)

24 Apr 2019 09:50:23
Agree with Shappy's list. But I would definitely sell Jones.
Fred deserves another chance.

I believe Wan-Bissaka, Koulibaly in defence, Saul in midfield and Sancho in attack would massively inject much needed quality to the current squad.

24 Apr 2019 09:56:16
We all have our top trump/ football manager wishlists but who do you realistically think we will get in / change this window?

Meunier, for value/ price
Toby same reason.
Milenkovic again value and age
try for saul but end up with partey
Bale on loan as a sweetener for pogba, de gea deals out. I think at least one to RM and other possibly psg.
Not the list I would like but what I think is very likely.

And Finally... Fall-Outs

23 Apr 2019 14:17:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, And Finally... Fall-Outs

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23 Apr 2019 16:23:04
Great article :)

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate.}

23 Apr 2019 10:30:49
Anyone seen or heard from The Beast lately? He has been absent from these pages for quite a few weeks now, months rather. Funny that this time coincides with the downturn in our form under the current regime. Is Beast Scholes or Giggs?

Didnt post anything after the humiliation over the weekend because it would have attracted more sarcastic comments from the "Ole at the wheel" brigade calling me out on the i told u so viewpoint. Hoping the lads turn up in midweek else we are looking at a disastrous scoreline.

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23 Apr 2019 10:48:49
Maybe 'Beauty" finally kissed him.

23 Apr 2019 11:13:52
Hahaha classic that mbd. That was something to smile about in this sombre week.

23 Apr 2019 13:20:02
Hi mate - still about just not commenting as much at the minute.

I posted a few months ago during our good run that Ole should not be given the job (yet) . The players started well against Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth - then played pretty much the same as under Jose and LVG since. We got lucky against Spurs and very lucky against PSG. This was ignored and the media with short-sighted fans jumped on the 'SIGN HIM UP' bandwagon.

I'm not anti-Ole, I just thing he needs to earn the job and we should have waited until the summer. Players are getting worse by the week, they are rotten, turn up once a month at best. Is Ole the best man to rebuild and kick out the weeds?

Unfortunately, yet again, the club had a plan and failed to deliver it, bowing to their media overlords and social media sycophants.

We are hard to watch and have had so much luck this season yet still don't look like making CL at this rate. Maybe for the best, so we can attract some players that want to fight and aren't only signing because they get to play in the CL.

Hopefully we sort it out during this long summer.

23 Apr 2019 14:03:41
Fair assessment Beast, not a lot to disagree with there. Not Ole’s fault, but a symptom of how poorly run the club is. Appointment of Phelan as DOF would be the final nail in the coffin.

23 Apr 2019 14:11:59
Nice to have you back buddy. Keep posting regularly. I am being a bit selfish in asking for your posts because i echo your views on the performances and Ole.

23 Apr 2019 16:03:33
we can all agree the performances are a joke but to already turn on ole is a bit embarrassing give the guy a fair crack at it.

let him have his pre season and implement his way of playing with players he wants. (if we get them)

its not going to be a case of boom title contenders next season.

its a long road and we need to get it right and give the management time with the correct resources.

23 Apr 2019 18:08:26
Beast what a post!

23 Apr 2019 18:11:04
There is a turn up, I agree with the Beast!

I recommend reading the article today, how misguided emotion left Manchester United stuck in the past.

Mauricio Lemos

23 Apr 2019 09:25:48
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Mauricio Lemos

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Review Of The Day 23rd April 2019

23 Apr 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 23rd April 2019

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23 Apr 2019 09:41:58
Thanks Ed. I am one of those guilty in indulging in trivial stats like the fastest list ;) I all honesty I don't know why either. Guilty pleasure I suppose.

{Ed001's Note - so long as someone is interested, it is worth reporting.}

23 Apr 2019 10:44:09
Surprised Rebic is top of that list. I suppose he has a slightly awkward sort of run that masks how quick he is moving.

23 Apr 2019 14:48:07
Who would you have expected to be top Shappy? I too was surprised Device was top of the list. I thought Bellarabi was the quickest guy but he isn't even in the top 10.

23 Apr 2019 15:27:36
If Pogba played there he would be top, i regularly see him sprinting full pelt to stop an attack.

23 Apr 2019 17:40:19
What pogba is that seagull?

23 Apr 2019 21:09:04
Angel, a pelican stake.

23 Apr 2019 07:04:01
The 4th spot is still wide open.
Arsenal, United and Chelsea are all hugely consistent.
Looks like no one wants that spot. All 3 are capable of losing to anyone.

The match against Chelsea is huge. I believe winning 3 out of the next 4 will sneak us into the 4th spot.

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23 Apr 2019 08:12:27
Worst case we might win the city game which would hand liverpool the title and still end up not qualifying for the champions league. We are a joke of a club right now. Hopefully there is some ambition shown in the summer.

23 Apr 2019 09:52:24
Worst case is us winning our local derby? No wonder people think we are a joke with fans like that.

23 Apr 2019 10:06:08
I don’t want top 4! Get rid of show boaters and rebuild properly without the pressure of losing in europe. We are mikes behind the elite of Europe so pointless entering the comp.

Play the kids in the Europa, and concentrate on getting back to where we should be in the league.

23 Apr 2019 10:49:48
Yes gds. Best case is we win the derby, city still ends up winning the league and we qualify for the champions league.

23 Apr 2019 11:17:15
Eric,

Not being in the CL next season will mean another 2/ 3 years of 'rebuilding', as long as you are happy with that and not complaining when we have similar results to Sunday all next season then fair enough.

23 Apr 2019 12:08:10
Seems like it's battle of the dummies on Sunday :) playing Chelsea is the easiest way to regain form after a tough run right now.

I'm not looking forward to it lol.

23 Apr 2019 12:43:24
We need to beat City anf that should be our motive rach game. I don't care wjo wins the title but we shouldn't lose to City just because Liverpool qill have a chance of winning.

23 Apr 2019 01:29:08
Interesting situation.
Now that Chelsea drew, a win against City could potentially put us back in top 4 (pending Arsenal game) .
Liverpool fans will be hoping we beat City. City will go all out to beat us. Now we will see why are our players - boys or man.
Do we want Liverpool or City to be PL champion? It's all in our hands. What a predicament.

{Ed0333's Note - you should play to win every match even if it means helping you’re bitterest rivals win the title 666 🤣

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23 Apr 2019 04:48:07
I think I would want us to try and win but I also remember when faced with a similar situation a few years ago slippy G slipped made a back pass to Drogba to ensure their win. Returning that favor would be nice.

23 Apr 2019 07:08:51
As a pool fan, the thought of united “having a say” is all completely irrelevant. City will embarrass united and that’s the bottom line. We are more hopeful of their game against Burnley and Leicester. The only favour you could do Liverpool fans is finishing out of the top 4 and continue the spiral down 😊.

23 Apr 2019 07:09:46
Shouldn't be a question that even enters our heads. We play to win, end of discussion. Liverpool and City are fighting for the title because they deserve to be. We are 20 odd points behind because we deserve to be. The league us in their hands, not ours so what will be will be.

23 Apr 2019 07:30:04
After what we witnessed at weekend I don’t know why anyone is bothered about Liverpool or City. We have our own mess to sort out and dreaming that we have any say in the title race is just desperation to stay relevant. We should be trying to win every game for ourselves, what will be will be.

23 Apr 2019 07:52:19
benny we have won more trophies in last 3 years than you have in the last decade.

23 Apr 2019 08:01:26
Of course we play to win Betty, doesn't mean the blow of losing won't be softened by the fact it scuppers Liverpool's title bid. :)

23 Apr 2019 08:36:39
Other than being relegated I can not think of anything worse than Liverpool winning the title so i will happily take a loss on Wednesday. Anything under 1st means we lost just because the money men reward you for being rubbish ie finishing below the top spot and getting Europe doesn't mean it should be good enough.

23 Apr 2019 09:34:44
Common sense Moyes, you clearly don't remember us beating king Kenny's Blackburn on the last day of the season which gifted you the league but you messed it up and couldn't beat West ham, and we had zero on the line in that game as well, you'd rather not win and give a massive boost to your champions League position because you actually think Stevie deliberately gave a back pass to drogba?

By the way do you not remember him doing the exact same thing against France in the world cup, he probably did that because he knows all man United supporters are England fans and he wanted to throw that game as well to piss yous off, he really was that obsessed with United don't ye know. 🙈.

23 Apr 2019 09:55:05
So you gifted us one premier league title and we didn't take it yet we are still 13-0 up. I'd take 13-1 if it means we get top 4, not like the other team that can win it isn't a big rival also.

23 Apr 2019 10:28:03
What on earth has this got to do with the past / trophies 😂 this isn’t even about rivalries, this is about wanting your team, whether it United or Havant and Waterloovile, beaten. Fans sit their and claim pogba et all are mercenaries that don’t care about the club, yet fickle fans want their team to actually lose. Pot calling the kettle black.
The decent united fans want to win every game, and thank god there are some on here, we have plastics on our page too, so I feel your pain boys.
As I said, it’s all irrelevant, the team could give 150% but will still lose. If you boys want to say “ stops you winning the title “ as if it’s some achievement, we will see what an achievement it is in the summer when no big players will come to Cardiff level manager and a team not playing with the big boys. Not to mention missing out on huge revenue whilst trying to pay of a billion squid of debt. He who laughs last laughs longest.

23 Apr 2019 10:45:40
Waro, I think your right, Gerrard was just pants.

23 Apr 2019 12:13:20
Truth be told I don’t think your capable of beating city so the helping us out dilemma is irrelevant. That’s just how I see it and expect it to unfold. Your players seem to be on holiday already. I understand your players not caring who wins the league, but they seem to not care for their own club.

23 Apr 2019 12:34:20
GDS2 is right, it is all irrelevant, how foolish of us to forget that football began in 1992.

23 Apr 2019 13:22:59
This hoping we lose thing. I really can't understand it. I grew up with Liverpool winning everything, so obviously I hope they don't win it. But not at the expense of us losing a game. Any game.

23 Apr 2019 14:03:19
Doesn't matter City will need to play poorly to lose, it's up to them.

If both teams play to the best they will win end of.

I don't care for either club but from a long term position for Utd it is better for us that the sovereign wealth fund of Abu Dhabi win the league.

If Liverpool win it will put them back at the top table. If city win it will only serve to increase the volume of complaints about them buying the league and financial doping.

23 Apr 2019 15:15:15
Sorry Woolback, 20-19 then.

23 Apr 2019 15:30:27
Lots of Scousers on the page.

 


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