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20 Aug 2018 21:28:17
Gary Neville makes some very good points, basically having given a contract extension to the manager, Woodward had to back him in the transfer market with what he asked for. I have read that Woodward was briefing people privately that HE didn't think United needed anyone else, that HE didn't think anything out there was better than what we already had. Read that again and think it through, the Finance man would be dictating the transfer strategy of the club. Back when SAF retired Woodward made the famous no need for re-tooling of the team and that was patently wrong.

We need Woodward put back in charge of numbers, that is what should be the focus, immediately.

People are calling for a Director of Football, yet will he report to Woodward? If so that would be another error. If we get one he should not report to Woodward or we are in the same position as now, he needs to report to the owners directly, only then can we be sure of who is really calling the tune and have clarity or purpose, leave Woodward to bean counting.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any such statements or briefings from EW and if true he will lose his job immediately the club find out.}

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20 Aug 2018 21:44:30
Sounds rubbish to me were did you read that.

20 Aug 2018 21:54:39
Even if it were true, I can't imagine the Glazer's being much more clued up on football matters than Ed.

{Ed002's Note - The Glazer's? I think you are missing a major point here.}

20 Aug 2018 22:08:16
I read it in Red Issue

My main point is where a DoF would report to and for me it should be direct to the board at the same level as Woodward which would put Football and Finance on the same level.

{Ed002's Note - Sounds like speculation - if it is true, he is dead meat anyway.}

20 Aug 2018 22:19:34
Sounds a stretch to me.

20 Aug 2018 22:21:06
I saw today they are looking at a technical director rather than a DOF.

Basically a middleman because Jose and Woodward don't get along.

20 Aug 2018 22:54:21
Ed002, it was in reference to Red Man stating that any prospective DoF should report directly to them, rather than Ed. I just fail to see how that would be any better, when I'm guessing the Glazers' knowledge of the worth (not financial) of prospective signings, especially compared to an experienced football manager, wouldn't be that much better than Woodward's. If at all.

{Ed002's Note - Interesting that you are all getting wraooed up about the organisation chart. The post was in reference to something that will lead to getting EW fired. If it is true he is gone.}

20 Aug 2018 23:17:43
Red Man - What happened this summer is frightening . You simply can't finish 19 points behind the leaders and believe that major investment ISN'T needed in the squad. If that doesn't tell you about the ambition of our Club I don't know what does.

Yesterday shouldn't have come as any surprise it's exactly what happened last season with this bunch of players. Why we didn't strengthen is open to conjecture but the reality is we didn't therefore how can we realistically expect anything to change!

We've been told players were available but none arrived. If Woodward doesn't trust the managers judgement then he should be sacked. How can the Club progress on that basis? The problem being he offered him a new contract 6 months ago. Does any of this even make sense and have we been given any reasonable explanation as to why we failed to sign any other players despite the manager seemingly begging for reinforcements. Just listen to Carragher and Neville on MNF for some sense because you won't get any from Ed Woodward.

20 Aug 2018 23:35:52
No idea if it's true or not, Ed002, which is why I don't comment on it. I try to ignore the gossip that comes out about us in the various media outlets. Too many of our fans seem to be obsessed with what's being said about us. If it happens, I'll take notice then.

21 Aug 2018 02:10:39
DLIB

I think the summer was a mess and even said at one point if they don’t trust him then sack him, do the decent thing. Perhaps admitting they got it wrong again was too much or perhaps would have cost too much.

Neville is right, how could they give him a new contract and not support him. I thought they should have supported him, we should all be able to see our shortcomings and just amazed the club is sat in this utter mess yet again.

It is just speculation and rumour about Woodward but that is what the site is about. We don’t know what Woodward has informed the owners about why we failed to invest in summer but something seemed to make him sit so uncomfortably at the game to the point where Neville criticised him. How many times has a CEO been criticised for his demeanour? I can’t remember it. There are many questions about this summer, much speculation and Woodward should come out and tell us what is going on, but I doubt he will.

21 Aug 2018 09:30:24
How often dies a CEO get the blame when a team isn't playing well?
Bit of a distraction away from the manager.

21 Aug 2018 08:28:17
Ed002,
You mentioned EW would be fired if this was true and it got out.
And you mentioned not by the Glazers.
Who has the power to fire him?
Isn’t half the board comprised of Glazers?

Thanks a lot.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to getr in to explaining the structure of the business.}

21 Aug 2018 10:11:22
The metaphor GN uses of ‘if you’re going to build a house, then you need to finish it’ rings true with me here. When the club decided to get JM on board they knew what they were doing, especially given how the previous few years turned out. I’m not saying I do or don’t want JM as our manager or whether I’m happy or not with his appointment and continued position but as a club we have got to stop cutting the projects short on our managers. We didn’t do it for over 25 years previously.

JM wanted CBs, why didn’t he get them, that’s the Q that needs answering in my opinion and if the blame can be attached to someone within the club then they need to be held accountable. I’m actually worried that JM will be gone by Xmas (words I never thought would spring to mind) and we’ll hit the reset button AGAIN.

21 Aug 2018 10:56:26
King
Who are the best 5 teams in the world . How often do they change there managers .
Why is it such a big deal.

21 Aug 2018 11:33:23
King, I think the days of Wenger and Sir Alex, for better or worse, are gone mate.

21 Aug 2018 12:43:36
Hi guys, thanks for the replies.
It’s a big deal because it’s a big deal - I’m not bothered about what’s going on over the fence. My main issue is that we are constantly hitting the reset button because of a failure to fully support a manager. The latest laughable bit of media from MR is embarrassing and a lot will be learnt about Pogba, the managers future, the clubs short term future based on how the club, Pogba and manager respond to this. I’ve accepted that some traditions are now lost but I point the main finger at EW for our recent instability. If anyone should leave affiliation with our club over the next week it should be Pogba’s agent and him.

20 Aug 2018 21:03:09
I feel the most important signing for Utd is to get the right person in the Director of Football role.

We need a clear plan of recruitment, youth development and our style of play.

Then the head coach of the future can be selected on this basis and have the full support of the DoF and associated youth coaches and scouting system.

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21 Aug 2018 00:02:24
The most important thing right now is getting the right manager, i do believe we are falling way behind with the current manager, we need to get a manager with modern ideas of the game and one who respect our traditions. Sack mou he clearly doesn't want to be the manager anymore, leave carrick in charge for now or one the reserves coaches while we get a new manager, i don't think they will do worse than mou, Brighton scored 3 in 45 minutes for crying out loud. 3! Even worse we don't look like a proper team let alone a top one. I'm just tired of watching that crappy football that we have been playing the past 2 years. At least with Van gaal we dominated possesion and attack with a plan.

{Ed0333's Note - surely things aren’t that bad that you want Carrick to take charge or a reserve coach? Are you some kind of sadist?...you clearly love pain.

20 Aug 2018 20:53:31
Apparently the club are looking at a technical director instead of a director of football? Is there a difference in the two roles?

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20 Aug 2018 22:21:51
Yes. DOF looks at all footballing matters. TD is a guy that passes messages between manager and chairman.

20 Aug 2018 17:20:06
Question for Ed001: Any reason why Lionel Messi wasn't in the top 3 for Uefa's award today? Most goals and assists last season, most dribbles in Europe, most freekicks scored and more man of the match awards than any other play on the continent, arguably dragged Barcelona to a league and cup double aswell?

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea. Sorry. Maybe it is just because he was not playing at his best level, even if the team did well. He certainly did not drag them anywhere last season, they won it because the rest were terrible for large periods of the season.}

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20 Aug 2018 18:03:22
Messi wasnt as good as Salah, Ronaldo or Debruyne last year.

20 Aug 2018 19:08:01
Yep, that's why he got more MOTM awards than any of them 3 Singh, more goals than Salah and Ronaldo and finished just behind KDB in assists, close in terms of chances created aswell, does the goalscoring aswell as the creating. Also won Spanish and European golden boots but okay, he wasn't on the same level as them. Ronaldo was nowhere to be seen for the first half of the season either, disappeared vs Bayern in both legs and L'pool in the final.

20 Aug 2018 20:36:01
Who cares.

20 Aug 2018 21:05:02
He flopped in big games this year. He was rubbish for Argentina as well. I guess your a Messi but anyonw that tells me he was better then Ronaldo, Salah or Debruyne is deluded.

I think the best player last year was Salah or Debruyne and one of them should win the award and I also beleive one of them. should win the Ballond'or.

20 Aug 2018 21:42:44
He was easily better than them last year Singh, he literally got the most goals on the continent, assist, dribbles, passes, chances created, freekicks etc, he ranked 1st or 2nd in all them categories, also won two trophies, not to mention the amount of winners he scored in tight games or scored to get a draw. Also, got around 28 MOTM awards, 28!

20 Aug 2018 22:52:03
Also, that's quite disrespectful B Red, just because you may not be interested in this conversation it definitely doesn't give you the right to say 'who cares', i certainly do.

20 Aug 2018 23:13:45
Stats don't mean much when winning awards. Its what you win in terms of titles that counts when winning these kind of awards.

I also think Griezmann shouldve been up there for the awards as he helped Madrid win the Europa and France the world cup.

21 Aug 2018 01:04:18
Which titles did Salah win last year then Singh?

21 Aug 2018 08:32:29
So messie wins 2 titles, out does them in nearly every other stat but he still wasn't the best player on the planet, not even better than Salah who won nothing?

21 Aug 2018 10:31:27
Can't figure it out Darv lol🤔.

Premier League Preview Crystal Palace v Liverpool 20 August 2018

20 Aug 2018 12:37:46
{Ed's Note - Reid the Red has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Crystal Palace v Liverpool 20 August 2018

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20 Aug 2018 12:11:29
I don't want to add too much fuel to the fire and I will confess to being among those who looked forward to his arrival.
I can agree with Jose re lack of recruitment and ultimately that is on the doorstep of Woodie, the Glazers and the board. However, three years without change of tactics or improvement of players speaks volumes about Jose and his ability (or inability? ) as a coach.
Discuss.

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20 Aug 2018 12:20:54
Forgot to say (many will think me foolhardy) but could this be a good time to put a cohesive group of youngsters out there? I don't think they could do worse than what we are enduring. A few older heads among them. And for those talking about our much vaunted defensive record much of that is down to DDG.

20 Aug 2018 12:58:30
i wouldn't expect him to last beyond this season with the same negative football being played.

we can all slate how bad lvg was but at least you could see a way of playing.

we literally look like we have no clue on what type of football we want to play.

as soon as the wig came on "hoof" ball was plan a, b and c.

we are slow, lack any desire and the players have to take the blame as well.

it is going to be a very long season playing the way we are.

top 4 challenge at most.

20 Aug 2018 13:39:39
Yesterday's performance needs no dissection. We've seen it before and we'll continue to see it unless the attitude of both the players and the manager changes.

Yesterday's performance had nothing to do with ability and everything to do with attitude. It was lazy, lethargic, sluggish. We didn't match their commitment or desire. We didn't look focused and lacked concentration. We didn't show the required hunger or application. The manager sets the tone and we are still complaining three years on that we are unable to raise our game against bottom of the table teams especially away from home.

Our team is crying out for an injection of intensity and purpose. Perhaps Mourinho's biggest problem is his insistence that we sit deep behind the ball and allow the opposing team easy possession of the football. Perhaps his mantra is safety in numbers but this provides a false sense of security. When we sit deep behind the ball, it allows players to hide, to pass on responsibility, to lose concentration, social loafing is the correct expression I believe. When we start slow it's difficult to pick up the pace. The players are being sent out in the wrong frame of mind. We must at least show a desire to press, to close down, to stop crosses, to win the ball back. When will we learn that passive, defensive tactics are not required at the likes of Brighton, Huddersfield or Cardiff. Put inferior players under pressure, don't let them settle with easy possession of the ball, don't let them grow in confidence and allow them a foothold in the game. This is no longer a question of ability but of hunger and desire. The managers tactics don't set the correct tone.

Our best performances under Mourinho have come against Chelsea, Arsenal and the first half against L'pool when we've set the tone, pressed high and closed down with speed and aggression. In two of those games we've played with three at the back. A change of emphasis and formation is required.

20 Aug 2018 18:58:19
He has to be sacked in all my 40 odd years of watching United I've never saw such a dark cloud over the place caused by a managers negativity.

20 Aug 2018 17:22:24
James,

Where were you when LVG was in charge? Watching Celtic?

20 Aug 2018 18:47:08
40 years ago Sexton had just taken over from the Doc. That was worse than this.

20 Aug 2018 19:01:30
Yes I was watching gds2, it was dire under lvg but he wasn't negative about everything, he tried to lift things, but Jose just acts like everything is a chore and like he doesn't want to be here,
and what is celtic to do with anything? I speak on here as a United fan.

20 Aug 2018 19:34:46
DW20 I have mentioned on here before my wish to see some of the dead wood removed such as Darmian, Rojo, Blind etc and for the gaps to be filled by the younger players as back up.

However once TFM and Tuanzebe went out on loan such an idea went out the window.

The whole team was useless yesterday but Perreira ends up being one of the players taking the hit.

Jose doesn’t seem to have the skills to really bring on youth.

I believe that a manager such as Fergie could give players such as Rashford and Martial a rocket to get a response as he would balance that with a gentle arm around them when needed.
His man management skills were second to none and you only realise how good he was now he has gone.

Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have all struggled in that area. Under Fergie where would Zaha be now?

Review Of The Day 20th August 2018

20 Aug 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 20th August 2018

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20 Aug 2018 18:59:25
Looks like a nice pint that.

20 Aug 2018 03:33:46
There are those in journo land who have it on 'jibba-jabba'authority that the dressing room is split, that the reason luke shaw is staying is not because he wants to 'fight for his place', but because he's been advised that jose won't be in charge by the end of the season, seems the papers are waiting for the fall-out from the amazon documentary to run its course to see what happens, to me the constant disparaging stories about jose smacks of some journos' wanting payback, but somehow i think the lack of support from the directors upwards is a silence that's defining, nows the time to voice support or be prepared for more tosh being reported.

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20 Aug 2018 11:03:22
Our great club has become a joke. Instead of discussing how we will conquer Europe by beating the great European teams. We are here discussing rifts, bust ups, boredom and people wanting to leave. Our club is becoming like a class in a secondary school. Why would a top world class talent want to join us when we like this. We need a new manager 100%.

20 Aug 2018 11:50:11
MissingFergie. As i and some of the others have alluded to in the past 2-3 years, the club needs a shake up from the top down to the playing staff and manager.
There is no quick fix or a silver bullet I'm afraid. The owners have to get their priorities right. They have to invest time in the way the club is run on the pitch, not just off the pitch. Woodward has been a complete joke in the transfer market and we clearly need a more professional approach. When David Gill was in charge, most transfers happened seamlessly.
The manager doesn't want to be here and it shows in the way he behaves and talks. Yet, we rushed into giving him a one year contract extension. Why?
It seems the whole place is rudderless and no one is in charge. A new manager might paper over the cracks, but will not solve the problems completely.
The club structure has to change to focus on the footballing side as much as they do the commercial side. Director of Football will be a good start, but we need to sort out the manager's intentions first before we appoint a DOF.
Is Mourinho staying or is he getting the push? If he's unhappy here, and if the dressing room is split, then the board have to act and act quickly and get rid of him.
Appointment of next manager will then become crucial. We need someone who is happy to live in Manchester (and why not, as it is a great city) . Someone who understands and respects our heritage and plays in the right way. Someone, who is assertive but not divisive. And most importantly, someone who can spread the word and attract the right players to our club and can work well with the DOF.
Until this happens, we will be playing second fiddle to City and Liverpool unfortunately.

20 Aug 2018 15:00:42
I agree completely with the first part of your post, but I don't think things would be solved by a new manager. The Glazers are interested in money, not glory. They have loaded a massive debt on the club and take millions out every year for themselves. Whilst Fergie and Gill were at the club, the effect of this was hidden, but now we have Woodward who is also a money man and is hopeless in the football world. Both LVG and Jose have complained about not being able to get hold of him to talk. Unlike the Abu Dhabi team over the last 10 years, there is no plan to improve - just to stay high enough for the money to keep coming in.
Sorry if this is depressing but I really feel this is the case.

20 Aug 2018 21:54:35
That’s the point of the DoF surely. They decide who the first team coach is ultimately and is a good stooge for actually making a decision.

Two years in and we still don’t know our best 11, formation or style Of play under Jose. I am a fan of his but he
Does not fit our club. Time to make a younger, longer term change and back then. G Neville, Giggs, Poch, Jardim whomever. As long as we entertain and go for it.

19 Aug 2018 21:16:22
I think we need to go back to the 352 from preseason.

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19 Aug 2018 22:08:54
I think we need to go back to 1993.

19 Aug 2018 20:33:41
I'm a saints fan and just wondering what the thoughts are on rashford? To me (very untrained eye) I really like him and think he's possibly at risk from mourinhos management style ( please again note I am not aware or in knowledge so please don't shoot me down) . I may be totally missing it as i thought he was harsh in shaws management but according to jason dodd, and now luke Shaw, he needs that and thrives so could be similar situation. just interested in your views? Good luck with your season.

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19 Aug 2018 21:17:34
I think he's Welbeck 2.

19 Aug 2018 21:28:38
another Welbeck or Walcott no brain all pace right makes one right decision every month or so.

19 Aug 2018 23:29:56
Speaking with son in law who was at a party when one of United’s analysts was there. He said that the current thinking is that Rashford is not expected to push on significantly and that the club has better prospects.

He was more complimentary about Lindelof and his future,

Maybe Rashford will be sold on by the club next summer?

19 Aug 2018 23:39:01
Or maybe it's the way he's been coached look what difference pep has made with sterling I think if rasford had pep as a coach he might look better I don't think he's good enough to hold the line on his own but could be good at right side of a front 3.

 


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