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11 Dec 2017 16:08:09
watching highlights of the game again. we had a stone cold penalty and also some fouls by city players which were deliberate and professional fouls and he never carded anyone.

Not making excuses but the ref was poor.

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11 Dec 2017 17:02:32
On paper we had an attacking team, in the first half we sat back and our defenders hoofed the ball up the field. Not near good enough,
I don't think the ref was the problem.

11 Dec 2017 18:55:04
Agreed Leahy. To blame the ref sounds like an excuse. We did not deserve anything out of the game and we got what we deserved.

11 Dec 2017 20:55:01
Sorry, Shahram. if you're talking about the Herrera dive, then I suggest you get a new pair of spectacles, mate. Stone cold dive, and a part of his game along with rolling around the ground like he's been shot by a sniper, that I really don't care for.

12 Dec 2017 04:08:00
Standard Pep team approach. Cynical fouls against you on the edge of your own box are very rarely carded, even though they are clearly cynical. If you think back his teams have always done this and got away with it. This gives a huge benefit to overloading players around the opposition's box and is a major element of City's defense.

It's like the old belief that Italian/ German defenders are all brilliant. They just foul and get away with it. Chris Smalling does the same today, but we don't call it good defending!

{Ed001's Note - it saves him having to bother to teach them how to defend though and makes him look like the messiah.}

11 Dec 2017 12:06:20
CL draw looks goos for us.

Bet madrid r kicking themselves.

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11 Dec 2017 15:37:28
Would have got Juventus if topped the group tho, so not easy either way. Heat was turned right up on those balls when scouse and city came out ha. Not a bad draw for us, tricky opponents Sevilla.

11 Dec 2017 16:01:36
Interesting draw, really happy with our draw. Jose should know plenty about Sevilla having managed in Spain for several years. At this stage of the competition I want us to avoid the tough draws, but at the time you don't want the easiest draw as those are the ones that can trip teams up. Shaktar could have been a tricky tie, lots of travelling and cold whether. Jose returning to Porto has the potential banana skin written all over it. Glad we avoided Real Madrid, Juventus and Bayern though. All in all probably the best draw for us.

I think Chelsea could knock Barcelona out, Messi always struggles against them for some reason. I saw that Juventus have lost their last five knock out ties against English sides. So Spurs have a good chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see all the English sides in the quarter finals, or at least four of them. I expect Bayern to beat Besiktas. Roma vs Shakhtar could go either way. And one of Real Madrid or PSG will be knocked out. We could see 3 or even 4 English sides in the Semi's, that would be great for the EPL.

11 Dec 2017 16:05:57
I think both Spanish giants are going to get shipped out based on the draw. I reckon 2 english teams and looks like 4 will make it through the quarters.

11 Dec 2017 18:57:26
Barca will beat Chelsea easily. And I think Real will get through against psg.
Us, Liverpool and city to progress too.

11 Dec 2017 11:48:53
We got Sevilla in round of 16.
First leg in spain. Not bad.

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11 Dec 2017 14:58:49
Could be worse but could also be tricky, Goodluck lads I expect you to get through this one.

11 Dec 2017 18:02:47
good draw for you as well JBLP. I expect strong showing from the english teams this year. Could be all that we are playing for with City almost certainly winning the league.

11 Dec 2017 11:31:19
ken thank you very much, benny tells me you are providing the team strips for our team. Nice one mate that means a bigger pot for the charities to get, so we all owe you a debt of gratitude.

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11 Dec 2017 12:52:33
Seeing as I'm Ed002's side (and I don't want to be responsible for us not getting any United Sharkopod's during next summer's transfer window), Ed001 your going down pal. lol.

{Ed001's Note - I have a plan for dealing with you Shaps, we are going to distract you by asking for a tactical analysis from you. That should take up a good half hour judging by your posts ;-)

11 Dec 2017 13:34:19
That might work, or anything that flashes really, especially if its pretty colours. lol.

{Ed001's Note - by the sounds of it, the kit you will be wearing will be pretty colours!}

11 Dec 2017 15:07:24
My pleasure ed001. Should be a good day. I've been in contact with benny and will sort payment asap just trying to find quickest solution don't want him out of pocket. Looking forward to having a run out it could be my last hurrah😂.

{Ed002's Note - I have someone sorting out our kit.}

11 Dec 2017 16:02:41
Sweet, battle of the kits is on. lol.

11 Dec 2017 16:06:37
Ok 002 thank you.
Pity about some of the reprobates you have wearing them😂
When we win can we have a guarantee in writing you won't stop answering questions on random players or potential swap deals😙😙.

11 Dec 2017 16:55:14
Ken give it up mate, you have no chance of winning. Ed001 is a Kloppite, you'll run around a lot, attempt to press high and tire long before the end of the match. Where as Ed002 is a true tactician, he'll counter your press with some well placed comfortable on the ball defenders and hit you on the counter, then all guns blazing for the last 15 minutes when your team is out on their feet. I see at least a couple of goals for team Ed002 in the last 10 minutes just to smash home the drubbing. 6-1 to Ed002 I think, and that's being generous to you Kloppites or should that be Klappouts. lol.

{Ed002's Note - We do intend to be cleaning the pipes as they say.}

11 Dec 2017 18:29:22
Shappy, as usual using 768 words when 10 would have done😂😂
Just so you know i like to get my retaliation in 1st so ill apologise now in advance 😂.

11 Dec 2017 11:30:02
I like many of you am hurting today, getting beat never sits easily. However, it is especially painful when it comes against City and in the circumstances, although not conclusive it probably means we are out of the title race. I know it is only December, but I can't see this City side dropping 12 points more than ourselves between now and May.

I do think we need a bit of perspective though. I have never been one to wallow in self pity, it simply doesn't help.

A lot has been made about missing Pogba, and I can't argue with that. He is our most talented outfield player and I feel the team has been built around him to a certain extent which makes it harder for the team when he is missing.
However, I am surprised no one has considered we were without our first choice centre back pairing. Bailly and Jones were the foundations of our team early on this season. The only time this season we have dropped points with those two as our starting centre backs was the 2-2 draw with Stoke. Other than that single result we have won every game those two have started.

When we consider that for all of City's attacking might, for all their possession they won due to two defensive mistakes from us. Maybe if Bailly and Jones had been on the pitch those mistakes wouldn't have happened and we might be looking at a different result.

I've seen posts lamenting City having a plan, of a potential City dominance ect ect. We had a plan, it was ripped up and thrown out because our fans didn't have any patience. We can't complain we don't have a plan when it was our own actions which caused the plan to be thrown out. I think this would be the part where my mum would say I made my bed now I have to lay in it. Yes our actions can change things, but that doesn't always mean for the better.

That said, I think we are in a much better situation now then we would have been if we had stuck to that plan. In fact I don't think there is all that much wrong at the club. I think the biggest threat to our club is ourselves to be honest.

Cold hard facts, played 24, won 19, drawn 2 lost 3. I'll let that sink in.

Of the three we lost, one was to Basel in strange circumstances where we dominated but just couldn't get the ball across the line then they nicked one. It happens and it didn't stop us topping our UCL group easily in the end.

We lost to Huddersfield which was the one that stands out, sometimes that can happen against newly promoted sides. They worked their socks off last season to get promoted and play in these big games, it's kind of obvious they are going to work that bit harder in these games. We were complacent. It happens, and it has happened to nearly every team that has lifted the title. If City go on to win the title this year they will lose a game somewhere where no one would expect them to lose. That is the main reason why the EPL is so loved around the world, and why our clubs earn so much money.

The other defeat came at the hands of City. Now this is hard to accept, but we might just be seeing something special happen across the city. Now I don't think they will have an unbeaten season, but Pep has them playing the best football in the league, man for man they have the strongest squad in the league, and they have the financial power to compete with any club in the world on both transfer fees and wages.

However, they won't be forever. As we have found out recently these things come in cycles. Liverpool were the top dogs for two decades, then we were for the next two. Maybe City will be there or thereabouts for the next two decades. Pep though will not, much has been made of Mourinho not lasting longer than 3 years at a club, but Pep is no better. His methods are intense and over a period of 3-4 years his players get burned out by it. His final season a both Barcelona and Bayern weren't as good as his previous ones. Maybe he will stay a little longer at City, but we will just have to rise to the challenge.

We finished 6th the year before Mourinho took over having won an FA cup for the first time in a decade. In Mourinho's first year he started to rebuild, we only finished 5th but we won the League cup and the Europa league. That's three trophies in two years. That is progress, and looking at our form this year 19 wins and 2 draws out of 24 games suggests we are going to finish higher than 5th this year. We may yet still win the trophy, we are still in three cup competitions after all.

None of us look at our current side and consider it the finished article, yet when we look at City's there isn't much more you could do to make it stronger. Nearly everyone on the site accepts we need new full backs, that we are missing a creative wide player and we don't' have enough strength in depth in midfield. So it shouldn't be all that surprising that we got beaten by a side who currently are much stronger than us.

Let's learn from this defeat, let's get behind the team.

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11 Dec 2017 11:41:06
And the Chelsea game makes it 4.

11 Dec 2017 11:42:27
Great post shappy.

11 Dec 2017 11:47:01
City had a back 4 of walker a past it kompany a pretty average otamendi and not exactly a star in delph.

A front 3 of sterling how much stick has that lad got on this site, a 21 year old sane and a 20 year old Jesus.
Hats of tho they have them 3 playing to there potential .
2 young lads from a different culture playing out there skin.

And that is a big thing imo how many of the city players are playing to or above there potential .
United are doing well this season but there are a few underperforming.

Not sure city would look quite the same with an injury to Silva or kdb. Hopefully we find out soon ( not a bad one tho )

11 Dec 2017 11:57:55
Oh yeah we lost to the defending champions in their backyard.

The point I'm trying to make is that the world hasn't ended, City will not be awarded the next 20 league titles because they beat us in one game.

Currently they have a better team and are playing better football. We need to rise to the challenge.

11 Dec 2017 12:09:57
Jred, there starting back four yesterday wasn’t their strongest, both Stones and Mendy would be first choice if fit.

Kompany although like you say is past his best, was once regarded as the best centre back in the league. He might not have the pace or fitness he once had, but I doubt he has forgotten how to defend.

Otamendi is a solid if unspectacular defender. I feel there is a shortage of world class defenders atm, with all of the best ones yet to reach their potential. In a world where Ramos is considered one of the best CB’s in the world Otamendi isn’t a poor one.

I expect City to sign a centre back and a holding midfielder in the summer to replace Otamendi/ Kompany and Fernandinho as first choice. But that is the only areas they really could strengthen.

Were as we to compete with the best teams in the world need a couple of full backs, a consistent creative wide player and some top level competition/ cover in midfield.

There is a gap in quality between our squad and City’s. So we need to up our game if we are to compete with them. However we can hardly say our team is a wreck. We are comfortable second to a team that has had to put in a record breaking start to the season to be head of us. So it's far from doom and gloom.

11 Dec 2017 12:10:05
Great post Shappy 👌
I am sure nobody likes to lose but City played well and if we got it wrong then we got it wrong. That said, we are not doing too bad and we can only get better.

11 Dec 2017 12:19:15
Agree with all of that Shappy. City are a bit good at the moment and contrary to popular belief yesterday they did not put us to the sword - they scored a couple of scrappy goals. DDG was pretty untroubled, his two saves were relatively standard compared to last week's Herculean efforts.

11 Dec 2017 12:26:31
Shaps
Mendy has done nothing in the epl and was taken apart by the scouse so the jury is still out .
I'm a fan of stones but just like sterling he has taken a huge amount of stick on the site .

But they don't need to strengthen the likes of stones or sterling players who only a few month ago where considered overrated and not that good by many on the site because they are playing well .

Fernadinho has been outstanding under pep is he a more gifted player than matic or Herrera? Not sure but he is playing better .

Would we need a wide player if we could get the best out of rash and martial like city are out of sterling and sane .

In fact would we lack creativity if we got the best out of pogba Mata or Miki.

Can't help but think the biggest difference to the 2 squads is 1 is really playing to it's potential.

11 Dec 2017 17:49:20
Great place post shappy, as always.

Very good point about Baily n Jones, nearly all of us had forgotten about em!

11 Dec 2017 11:25:01
Great draw, also UCL clearly does not like tottenham.

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11 Dec 2017 11:11:59
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11 Dec 2017 11:01:22
I remember a time when a loss was a loss and not a manifestation of the crumbling and rusting infrastructure of our football club.

Then came the new age of managers (i'm not talking about the young managers setting the football world alight, but rather how pretty much all of us think we are better managers than those out there) and all of a sudden a loss became something a lot more terrible.

Now, as if, losing a derby game through silly goals and a very lethargic performance and a glorious missed chance wasnt bad enough, We have to, now, think of how our club's done for and will be relegated and we need to change ownership and management and change the whole team and we might as well start playing volleyball and stuff.

I have very limited football knowledge and realize that my opinions are worth jack, but the way i look at it is:

We setup the wrong way without the superstar pogba and played not too well. What frustrates me most, is that for all their possession, city weren't anywhere close to scoring from open play (which is where the defensive setup comes in) .

We lost the game, and i hate it as much as you lot, but let's try and pick ourselves up for the midweek game and see what happens come May.

Peace ya'll.

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11 Dec 2017 11:27:27
Great post pal.

11 Dec 2017 11:43:59
spot on, common sense has landed.

11 Dec 2017 09:58:47
Is it time to drop Lukaku? Yes it is.
He’s been poor and surely Mourinho has to recognise that. Mkhitaryan hasn’t played due to his poor form.

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11 Dec 2017 11:41:30
I think you are right. Maybe bring him on as an impact sub. But whom do you pick if not him? Rashford? Zlatan? Martial?

11 Dec 2017 10:40:57
Well here we are waiting to see who we draw in the knockout stages of the CL still smarting a little bit from yesterday but not completely surprised at the result and the manner of the defeat after Pogba's red card last week.

The league appears gone now for everyone let alone us. Its one yesterday that we are going to have to take on the chin and move on. Bournemouth and West Brom away are now the games we need to be concentrating on. I hate to say it like any other red but defeat against City now is no shame. Yeah we could have played better but many will disagree with me, lady luck was definitely on their side yesterday. 2 years on the bounce now big penalty claims at the Stretford end have gone their way etc, it happens we rode our luck last week at the emirates at times, Lakaku nearly scored in his own net last week.

Its not all doom and gloom, let's see who we get in the draw and if we are still second come the turn of the year I will be pleased. You knew what you were getting with Jose and yesterday was no different. We need to get behind him and Romelu because they are representing our great club. Its easy to find scapegoats in defeat but what would we have all been saying yesterday if Ibra had scored a last minute 1-0 using the same tactics. Apart from the save from Sane I don't remember them creating a cart load of chance so we can't of been that bad.

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