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15 Oct 2017 12:47:03
Yesterdays game was a bit of a litmus test to give us some perspective as to the teams progression.

What we learnt is that we haven't really progressed very much and that we still have a long way to go before we can compete with the best teams in Europe.

I think our good start to the season has flattered to deceive

That's OK because I'll set myself to enjoy the ride as we build and develop a better squad.

I think yesterdays game was perfect for Zlatan who I expect would have imposed himself on Liverpool's centre halfs and would have given us a platform to play from.

I was expecially disappointed with Lukaku and Mikki yesterday. Lukaku looked like the lazy soft lad I feared he was. Granted he wasn't getting much service but that's when a top drawer centre forward needs to start putting himself about to make something happen.

I don't think Mikki is the answer at no 10 either; too anonomous in big games, especially those played at pace. There are better options and we should find one.

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15 Oct 2017 13:27:35
Not sure how that game can be considered any sort of measure of how far we have progressed.

Some of Fergie's greatest teams got their pants pulled down at Anfield, by poorer Liverpool sides than the one we faced yesterday.

IMO, there has been a lot of improvement in all areas. Just my opinion of course.

15 Oct 2017 14:11:06
Dunno why Jose is getting all this stick in the press tbh, there was 2 chances in the whole game, 1 for each side, Liverpool was at home onus was on them and they did nothing, Klopp somehow has avoided stick yet Jose whose job it is to get a result did so and he’s anti football etc. nonsense for me.

15 Oct 2017 15:24:07
Its what jose does in big games away from home. No surprise there. i'm disappointed with the approach i think most fans would be.
I expect to see more attacking intent in the home fixtures against the other ' big 5'

15 Oct 2017 16:05:06
Not progressed? You're kidding right? We've been scoring goals for fun and only conceded 2 so far creating lots of chances. Yesterday was poor but to say we hav not progressed is ridiculous.

15 Oct 2017 16:05:35
i think the approach could have been different if the game came before the international break. we also struggled against Stoke after an international break and before a Champions League game so definitely lose some momentum when the international break comes.

15 Oct 2017 23:47:25
AJH, I said we haven't progressed very much. Sure, we are now better at taking care of the so called lesser teams but yesterday was our first big test of the season. Do you think Barca, Madrid or Munich would have been as woeful as we were yesterday? Do you think they would have looked at that Liverpool side and been as afraid as we were to try and beat them?

15 Oct 2017 10:05:40
Morning guys,

I've read all the posts and it got me thinking about what football or sport for that matter is all about?

Some have complained that they weren't entertained yesterday, but is competitive sport really about entertainment?

Is it Jose job to entertain the fans or win football matches?

I think it's Jose job to win football matches. If he doesn't he'll lose his job. I've seen Arsenal labelled the great entertainers, bigged up by the media lovies but they haven't won the league in over 10 years. They time and time again believe all their own hype and some how try to take some satisfaction from the fact they that play attractive football. Like that in some way compensates for their inability to win the big trophies. In reality they lack what is takes to win. The mental toughness, fortitude, desire, sacrifice, organisation, leadership the ugly side of the game that nobody wants to talk about. They jacked up at Anfield, went gung ho, committed men forward with no regard for their defensive duties and rightly got spanked 4-0. Is that what we all want to see? Could we take solace in the fact that at least we had a go, committed men forward and tried to score! I don't think so!

As in life the key to everything is balance. We've played some fantastic attacking football this session and I've really enjoyed watching us. The game yesterday needs to be taken in isolation. It didn't represent our usual style of play this season. We had some key injuries to contend with as well. Jose is a master of the bespoke one off performance. When he plays our perceived title rivals he will have a plan and adopt our style and formation accordingly in order to give us the best chance of winning that game. It might not always be pretty but it might just win us the title!

I love Jose I think he's the best manager in the world and most importantly he's a winner. He knows style and finesse count for nothing if you don't win football matches and I admire that.

Competitive sport is about winning nothing else matters. If you can't win it doesn't make one bit of difference if you've entertained the crowd or not. If you can win whilst playing with flair and creativity well that's how legends are made!

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15 Oct 2017 11:02:06
Didnt really mind the setup yesterday, the back 6 picked itself because of injuries and I don't see the point of playing the way liverpool want us to play, i. e. open and expansive, we are not a charity. Some of the stuff coming out about jose killing football is so over the top.

That being said our play on the counter attack was abysmal yesterday, herrera, micky and martial couldn't string two passes together and the only time they did we created lukakus chance.

Mkhitaryan especially can get a bit frustrating as he just let's games drift and flatters to deceive on occasions.

15 Oct 2017 11:52:22
I agree DSG the tactics were pragmatic but why play into Liverpools hands and play the game they want. Some of the players have to take responsibility and admit that they just weren't good enough in possession yesterday!

A well earned point and if we can continue to win the games we should and carrying on scoring goals that will be quickly forgotten. We might not be the great entertainers just yet but you've got to admire the organisation and mental toughness he's instilled back into the squad. Well over 20 games unbeaten last season and I don't think we've lost at home since City beat us last year. Jose is building the foundations of a title winning team the next piece of the jigsaw is to instill a bit of flair and creativity into our game especially in the big games. We're heading in the right direction in my opinion roll on the next game.

15 Oct 2017 11:55:31
It's about winning to the players and manager - it's about entertainment to the fans. If it's just about winning for everyone then why isn't other boring sports like chess popular? It's because football is meant to be entertaining, the reason so much money is in the game and people like Jose benefit from that is because of the supposed entertainment factor. Utd built up so much love around the world because of the way we played, it's being dismantled by people like Moyes, LVG and Jose.

Jose continues to bite the hand that feeds him imo. He has benefited all his career from anti-football, people don't tune in for the rubbish he serves up, but he has benefited greatly from it. If every manager took the Jose approach to football then Chess would probably become more popular! We have played like that all season, it's just we were up against a decent team yesterday, it will be the same against any top 6 team. BORING, cagey anti-football. You only have so much rope and ours is fast diminishing.

15 Oct 2017 12:24:13
It's about who we are and what we stand for. Winning is not everything, if we grind out result after result boring the plants off us all then I am not interested and would be howling for change. If you are happy with that then I don't understand how y u support United, we are better than that. We know Jose is pragmatic and knows how to park a bus but after our rip roaring start I think we expected more then the tripe served up in the second half yesterday. If Jose was concerned about midfield why didn't he switch to 3 to match up?

We thought he had changed but yesterday was embarrassing, not the result but the way we played. I sincerely hope if was a hangover from the international break and we see the horses run fee once again.

15 Oct 2017 12:56:22
I don't have a problem to be honest. We secured a point, a better result for us than them. The only thing that let us down was the performance of the front 5/ 6 who were al or. We gave the ball away time and time again, and our crossing and set piece delivery was shambolic. Can't blame Jose for that. Decent point away at anfield and a very good start to the season as a whole.

15 Oct 2017 13:15:23
Come on Beast you don't truly mean that.

You want to have your cake and eat it!

If Utd had turned in some of the defensive displays we've seen from the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool or even City you'd be going mad! You want attacking attractive football but only if that brings winning football. I don't believe for one minute you'd be happy with us playing 'attractive' football (whatever that means) if we didn't also win games. Like I said it's all about balance.

City are playing some fantastic stuff at the moment but so have we this year. They always start well but let's just see how the season pans out. If they continue playing the way they are and keep winning games then they'll have the best of both worlds and have won the league in style which must be the ultimate goal of any team.

There is more than one way to play football and I don't fall into the trap of thinking one style is superior to another. I'll leave that for the football purists to debate. The best way to play football is to win, winning brings in the fans and the money, winning is recorded in the history books and if you can do it with style and flair well that's the ultimate goal.

I can't speak for others but I go to watch Utd to win. That's what makes me happy. If we'd have gone out and played great attacking football but lost 4-3 I'd wouldn't take much comfort in that. Big games are hard, often become wars of attrition and victory is sweet no matter how it comes. Big games often disappoint you simply can't play free flowing attacking football every game there is more to football and sometimes you just have to admire a well drilled, disciplined, defensive performance as much as a free flowing attacking one.

If you want entertainment go to a concert, a festival or the cinema cause winning is enough to keep me entertained and enthralled any day of the week.

Sorry AJH that's arrogant, romantic bulls**** and you know it! You've got to take that game in isolation. We've played some great stuff this year. Don't kid yourself I've seen Fergi sides play some pragmatic stuff and stink the place out and whilst I'm not old enough to have seen the Busby Babes I'm sure they were pragmatic at times as well.

We'll have to agree to disagree but I simply can't accept that we as a Club are bigger or better than winning ugly or being defensive, give me substance over style anyway if it means us winning trophies.

16 Oct 2017 05:18:12
Danny. I agree with most of what you said except mourinho being the best mansger. I think Pep is by far the best manager. His record and style of play are both better than Mourinho. Their head to head in Spain also has Pep well ahead.
Problem with our team and tactics against the big teams, is that we are not allowed to counter quickly and we don't have the midfield to do so. Our normal midfield contains Pogba matic and Fellaini, are any of these going to help you counter attack with pace? I love to watch teams counter attack but we simply don't have the personnel or the tactical permission to do it.

16 Oct 2017 07:51:09
Danny you best be careful mate, what you saying is making a lot of sense and pretty much the whole post was quiet reasonable and logical, so please address that yeah, coz ain't nobody got time for sensibilities. :)

If i watched a game and lost, I'd want us to win the next one. if we won the next and didn't play really well, i'd still be happy but would want us to play better. Now where the "out with Jose" and "we are dying" stuff comes into the equation, i have no clue.

But yeah we didn't play well on saturday, Liverpool played well, we got a point away from home. its fine, onwards and upwards.

16 Oct 2017 13:49:18
Schmid - I can't argue that Jose is a better manger than Pep, both are at the top of their game. Maybe it comes down to personal preference. I admire Jose as I believe he is more adaptable and he is prepared to use different styles, tactics etc in order to win games. Pep steadfastly believes in his style/ philosophy and refuses to change even if this isn't working or having an impact on the game. I admire his faith and there is no doubt he's a fantastic manger but I think he needs the best players to make his system work. I think Jose could manage any team and turn them into winners I'm not sure the same could be said for Pep. Maybe I'm wrong about Pep, I love them both I just think Jose is a bit more adaptable and is prepared to sacrifice style for substance on occasions which I admire. He doesn't fall into the trap of believing there is only one way to play football and points aren't dished out for style, possession or pass completion percentages!

I actually think Jose would make a fantastic England manager. The problem with our National Team at the moment is we've lost our identity (if we ever had one) . We always enviously look at other countries and try to copy them whichever is flavour of the day. When the Italians are successful we envy their defensive, tactical approach, when is was the Spanish we craved tiki taka possession based football, we crave the Germans organisation and efficiency, the Brazilians flair and creativity the list is endless. When I think of what a good England team should represent I think of a well organised, powerful, hard working, fast, direct (this doesn't mean long ball) team playing at a high intensity. I think these are the attributes Jose wants in his team and we shouldn't apologise or be afraid of what we are and what we enjoy. This type of football has what's made the Premier League so successful.
Anyway I apologise for digressing!

Thanks Raconteur just saying it as I see it not everybody will agree but that's why I love this site so I can read other people's views and perspectives.

16 Oct 2017 16:38:32
He seems to talk a lot of sense this Danny from Lancs.

15 Oct 2017 10:02:52
Well i thought 1st half was ok, second half was a washout all round tbh, Liverpool didn't play their usual hung go attacking play which is either United once again totally nullifiying that or Liverpool was just using similar spoiling tactics to us, we showed little ambition in 2nd.
End of the day it's a good point, we aren't going to play the 'city way' whatever that is but we are going to be up there and it'll be us or city at the end.
Be prepared for more of the same against Spurs and particularly at Chelsea, this is what Jose will do, win majority of games, not lose the bigger games and maybe nick a win from some of them, we just have to accept that.
I'm not that unhappy tbh, unbeaten, right in the thick of it and as someone said we could've just lost our 3rd game of season at Palace.

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15 Oct 2017 11:10:05
Maybe against city but I think Jose will take the game to Chelsea and spurs.

15 Oct 2017 08:17:57
Love what Ed001 does to the moaners and whiners in scousers page. Why doesn't we have an Ed to do the same to the moaners and whiners in our pages? 😂.

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15 Oct 2017 09:05:00
😂😂😂 Ed👍👍
Well I don’t really moan nor groan at the team.
I am comfortable with what is what and which is which.
Everyone has their opinions and I respect that.
That’s what makes this place interesting and with all the Ed’s work that’s why I keep reading at least 4-5 time a day.
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15 Oct 2017 08:11:18
Nice work and read Eds.
Is there one from a Man Utd perspective?

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14 Oct 2017 21:33:24
have to agree with ed25 i thought they were there for the tacking but we actually made them look good a point might as some have said might be a good one come the end of the season but i wish jose would show more posotive approach away from h0me.

{Ed025's Note - me too daz..

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15 Oct 2017 10:34:11
Jose will never be positive knew that when he signed no point in moaning now.

14 Oct 2017 21:02:23
Grab a coffee :)

Strange game today, much like last seasons game we looked ok in the first half but the second was awful.

I have noticed the parking the bus comment a lot, whilst my first reaction was the same i'm not so sure it's totally correct. I think the game plan is ok (with the back 4 and 2 deep CM built to counter) but the attacking players were woeful. Martial and especially Mkhitaryan provided no confidence or link up play when the ball was won so on reflection I think it's a combination of the two, sitting and playing too deep and poor use of the ball.

Couple that with Atkinson's reluctance to give us anything regarding a 50/ 50 foul when we did pinch the ball in dangerous areas.

A draw is ok I guess, never happy with not winning but it is the biggest game of the season for both clubs, form goes out of the window and it always feels more like a cup game these ones. Leaving the away ground with a point is managable and might prove important.

Matic is so good, I'll be honest I never knew how good he was using the ball before he signed but boy that guy can play for a DM.
Jones was solid and I really hope his injuries are fully behind him now because he is starting to show the form that made us sign him.
Valencia has transformed himself into the best RB in England atm.
De Gea only really had one top save to make but that save would of been a goal again'st the 19 other goalkeeper in the league today the others were hardly dangerous and routine.
The rest of the team were wasteful at best.


{Ed025's Note - your team were thoroughly boring deano and seeing as its supposed to be an entertainment industry they were a disgrace mate. swap special one for snoring one . }

Ed24 I see this down the page.

Really mate? views like this is why I guess your lot are never near the trophies at the end of the season.
While I take on board it's your opinion, I don't think anyone will be worrying to much about this game at the end of the season when the trophis are handed out. :)

{Ed025's Note - your probably right chris, i was so disappointed with united though mate, this was a chance to make a statement for me...they made one but not the one i hoped..

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14 Oct 2017 21:21:48
Oh as was I eddy, but not disgraced lol.

Sometimes you need to shut down shop and say we will not be beaten today and hope one of the attackers win the game.

Alas it didn't happen but a draw is not the end of the world, I guess it shows how far we have come to be disappointed more with the performance at Liverpool than the result. We will play a hell of better than that and lose in the future. I am never confident going into these games regardless of form.

The performances and scorelines so far I think allow us to write this one off and move on with the point.

{Ed025's Note - for me it depends on how you see football chris, if your happy to see your team graft without any purpose and dourly kill a game with no intent to entertain the fans then you should be happy, myself when i go to a game i want to be entertained and thrilled, i guess it would be a boring old world if we all thought the same mate..

14 Oct 2017 21:23:53
Got to agree with Ed 25 we were boring. We miss a truly world class player who can take a game by the scruff of the neck and also create something out of nothing. Pogba may or may not turn out to be that player but in his absence we have nobody to do it. City are playing fast fluid football which was our hallmark in our pomp. To be honest I think they are getting close to the rampant Barcelona team of a few years ago and I can see them winning this league by a good margin. Liverpool are not a good team and today we should have gone there intending to give them a really good hiding.

{Ed025's Note - my thought exactly hendon, i loved the united of 10-15 years ago, entertaining as well as effective and with a hint of steel, this one is like wimbledon in their pomp mate..

14 Oct 2017 22:14:59
To reiterate at no point did I say I'm happy with that performance, just I can deal with it and won't throw out over reaction statements like disgraceful lol.

Sure I go to and watch football to be entertained, but I'm also not so naive to think we can play pretty football every game and win. So far we have scored 4 goals a number of times this season, sit in 2nd place having scored a load of goals and have Liverpool away out of the way.
Coming into a massive away game on the back of an international break I can move on.

Sure people will 5 throw out the old "not played any big teams yet" remark but Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool and spurs are showing maybe these poor teams are not so poor actually?

As an Everton fan I'm sure u will understand how sick u feel losing at Liverpool regardless of how well u played. U can play the best football in the world but at the end of the day losing is not fun.

{Ed025's Note - i wont argue with that chris, i suppose im a bit of a purist when it comes to football mate..

14 Oct 2017 22:23:15
Sorry eddy not purposely trying to start a debate but Wimbledon.

Come on mate I think u are either being purposely daft or unintentionally over reactive lol.

This team has played some great football this season, has scored 4 goals on multiple occasions and sit 2nd in the prem, top of our CL group and comfortable in the domestic cups.

On second thought I think your just more upset Liverpool didn't get a pastime today :)

{Ed025's Note - im a football purist chris..

15 Oct 2017 05:37:17
I see merit in both sides of the banter. Agree that it was a boring game yesterday but there will always be plenty who expect more even if we WH k Pool, Chelsea or City 4-0. It will never stop. Question will be why can’t we score more even if we win by 3 goals.
But for me it’s all about being coming away not losing rather than to give our most fiercely and historically against football team the bragging rights. Who care if we didn’t play well? If we didn’t play well then why didn’t they win? Sure they are missing their key player but we are missing our key playerS too! We are probably at 50% strength whilst they are at 80%. There are at home and we playing away. So there will always be opinions. Great to hear all dude of opinions and that happy that there are still many emotional and loyal fans.
Both managers have a job to do and us fans can only try to understand and support. I’d love us to win at Anfield but good to get out of there unscathed. I am sure Kloppy will feel same if they come to OT. But I am sure we will be different if they are here.
That said 1 pt earned and need to continue to focus on CL and challenge the PL title. Am sure City will drop somewhere somehow. Let’s see. Like I said it’s a marathon and not a sprint. Come end of season who knows that 1 pt might be very key to title and second who knows 😂😂. Good weekend all.

15 Oct 2017 12:59:37
Surely the statement is made in May ed when your lifting the big trophy?

{Ed025's Note - there is only one team lifting the PL trophy deano...and they play in sky blue mate..

14 Oct 2017 19:35:12
We weren't great today and in the second half were pretty shocking. However there were some very odd results today which reflects the impact the international break has had on everyone. Chelsea losing to Palace was a real shock and Arsenal losing, whilst less of a shock, was still probably unexpected. Spurs sneaked a win but what is clear is City are playing a different game to the rest of us right now.

We sit 7 points clear of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal which is a great position to be in. Spurs are in form but are still 3 points behind us whilst we see City moving ahead. Their record so far is stunning and we can only hope that this purple patch they are having passes soon.

As for our performance today I think Jose should have picked the people who had not played or played only a little. I know we were challenged in central midfield but we had some very tired legs out there; I struggle to think of one of our players who played well (other than DDG) .

A sobering day but as other results show it has not been a normal weekend.

{Ed004's Note - I thought Valencia, Jones and Matic also played well. But the other results today have put our result into perspective. A draw at Anfield is always a good point during the season}

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14 Oct 2017 19:50:16
Fair point Ed although Jones almost gave a goal away with a slack pass. It's been a bizarre day, we need to put it behind us and quickly move on. There was a point in the second half when Matic got hold of the ball and seemed to want t take control but I thought overall we lacked leadership and it was a niggly display from us.

I also think Liverpool will win a trophy this year. They are clear favourites for the 'rolling around clutching your face like a 6 year older old girl' Cup. Can and Lovren were pathetic. Can wasn't touched and whilst Lovren was, the 15 rolls were a little too much.

We are really missing Pogba, could do with knowing when he will be back.

{Ed004's Note - Apparently Pogba is due back within next 2 weeks. I thought the ref was poor enough today. Some bizarre decisions especially against Young. It seemed they could be as rough as they wanted but if it was the other way around and anfield jeered he gave Liverpool the decision}

14 Oct 2017 19:51:40
I don't think people are bothered about the result per se, it's more about the manner in which we set out and the execution of the game plan. Personally I am not too bothered about us getting a point simply because it keeps the gap between ourselves and Liverpool to seven points. We were pretty depleted in key areas and I think we had a couple players playing through injury today. But I would have liked us to have a good go today as Liverpool started very shaky too and I just feel we could have gotten more from the game today.

14 Oct 2017 19:57:39
I thought we had a decent first half, we pressed high and whilst they dominated we looked up for it and had our chances. The second half was a different story, I think at some point Jose decided a point was ok and we were pretty awful. I think we need to shake it off and get back on the horse.

14 Oct 2017 20:46:43
Yes AJH, we need to beat Huddersfield and get straight back on track.

14 Oct 2017 20:00:49
I noticed that too ED004, Ashley Young did have some lumps chipped away and seemed to be manhandled and barged in the back quite a few times and got no decisions. The first time he offered the same physicality the referee blew up, very frustrating for a player.

14 Oct 2017 23:39:50
Ajh. You talk about city having a purple patch. It's quite laughable. Guadiola inherited an excellent squad, but he then went and bought excellent players to play his system. The kind that Barcelona played. He has a plethora of top class midfielders who are exceptionally creative. They are tearing teams apart and I had them to win the league by a ten point margin.
This is not a "purple patch". It is what we're going to see most of the time from them. The demonstrated it against Chelsea.
It makes me sick watching how good they are and wishing we had half the talent and a manager who is so intent on attack. It's going to be a long few years as I can only see them getting better. This is not a purple patch, it'll be the norm.
We can either learn from them and try to build our own attacking side or we can do what we did today and hope they slip up, which they won't.

{Ed025's Note - no argument from me there mate..

15 Oct 2017 02:53:44
Schmid
Jose won't play the pep way it's not and never has been his style .

The league will be between city and United imo but then I thought that last season .

How many points did you have city winning the league by last year.

15 Oct 2017 07:11:35
Schmid, I read the first line and knew it was you 🙄.

They started last year like an express train and faded away. Right now they look brilliant but it's still early.

 


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