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Manchester United should give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at least 2 more years as Manager

22 Apr 2019 11:08:12
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Manchester United should give Ole Gunnar Solskjaer at least 2 more years as Manager

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22 Apr 2019 11:13:19
Nice post Shappy.

22 Apr 2019 11:24:40
Well written article and appropriate amount of focus on the board. Also good to focus on the players mentality and desire, agree partly with the notion that you would take less talented players than pogba but work harder instead.

But no focus given on the tactical and technical elements that ole is looking to introduce. I haven't seen any inkling of a style or plan from him over this 5 month period. There looked to be an attacking style forming but that seemed to regress back to defensive reactive football pretty soon.

Which brings me back to player who has 80% of pogbas ability but is more hard working. He will still fail due to our inability to build play from the back when we just hoof it long to lukaku. He will still have a sluggish nemanja matic protecting the back 4 unable to win the ball back. He will still play the ball to romelu lukaku and see him unable to hold it up and play off him. He will still look out to the right hand side and see no one there or maybe see a tired ashley young failing to put in his 27th cross accurately.

Or will his hard work and endeavour make up for those tactical and technical shortfalls in the squad?

22 Apr 2019 11:39:26
Well if Mike phelan gets appointed in a board capacity, we might as well forget about and re structure or progression. God himself be given the managers job and he'd still struggle to finish in top 4.

22 Apr 2019 12:03:54
Good post dsg, angel if he gets that job, we will be the next 5 years going backwards.

22 Apr 2019 12:09:02
That’s a great post shappy.

22 Apr 2019 12:12:19
Good post Shappy.

22 Apr 2019 12:12:32
DSG, I think there was a clear style that started to be implemented at the start of Ole's reign. We pressed higher and looked to hit teams quickly and at pace. However, soon it became apparent that the players were physically unable to maintain that style. We also had problems breaking teams down that sat deep, with us unable to build successfully from the back. At that time the demands of Ole's style pushed many of our players into the "red zone" and we picked up a number of injuries. Unfortunately building up a level of fitness can't be achieved mid season. This is why in my opinion Ole often talks about pre-season being an important time moving forwards. To enable him to bring in that sort of style not only will he need to bring in several players to suit that style, but he will also need a full pre-season to condition and drill the players to play that way. Since it became apparent he wouldn't be able to implement that style for the entirety of this season he has had to adapt. That has meant the team has regressed somewhat.

I strongly suspect we will see something much closer to his first few games from the start of next season. The issue next season is we will unlikely have a strong enough squad to maintain a harder running style throughout the whole season and we will likely struggle in the last couple of months with injuries and a general running out of legs. Similar to Liverpool in Klopp's first season or two. It is only now he has been able to build a bigger, deeper squad that Liverpool have been able to maintain a title challenge right into the closing moments of the season. This is one of the reasons I have said he will need at least 2 years. Hopefully this summer he can build the first 11 he wants, then next summer he can add another 4-5 first 11 quality players with whom he can rotate and challenge the first 11 for a starting spot, allowing them to rotate will stay fresher into the later stages of the season.

22 Apr 2019 13:46:28
Well said Shappy.

22 Apr 2019 14:07:29
Shapps great post and response. Good analysis.
Can’t fault any with your post. 👍.

22 Apr 2019 15:26:11
Shappy- respect mate for taking the time to write these insightful posts. Great points.

On the point of pre season being so important, this makes it even more vital that we don't end up in a Europa qualifying round in July. Wouldn hardly be ideal for a full blown rebuild.

Then again the European football supremo that is Mick Phelan as technical director wouldn't be ideal for a rebuild either. Another vastly under-qualified Fergie favourite being given such a key role would mean this club still hasn't learned anything.

22 Apr 2019 20:55:06
Yes it will take time, but could i ask if people think Ole will actually get the time he needs? To buy the "right fit" players impart the ethos, work the academy is the right thing to do but consistently across the last 6 years managers are given 3-5 months before all and sundry are moaning, whining etc. I think we are still drunk on Fergies success and it'll maybe take a few more managers until we accept a rebuilding "long term" strategy. go on shoot me.

{Ed002's Note - He will have some involvement in deciding on players but not to any great extent. The academy is nothing to do with him at all.}

22 Apr 2019 22:21:39
Thanks Ed, clarity as always appreciated.

22 Apr 2019 10:34:56
We have to keep moving forward . Appointing Phelan as DOF is not the right move. Good coach but doesn't have the wow factor to attract the world stars that we need 😁😁.

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22 Apr 2019 10:53:48

Appointing Phelan would be a poor move in my opinion and may be seen as SAF pulling the strings. As with the manager, on what basis would Phelan have the experience for the job? Perhaps he could be relied upon to accept football and monetary decisions of others without becoming frustrated?

22 Apr 2019 12:11:58
Red man
Our great club is close to repeating the mess we were in the 1970s with all these horrendous choices. 😪😪.

22 Apr 2019 15:38:13
BFRO. With respect, players we have attracted with a "wow" factor as you put it have only left me thinking "wow" what a waste of money. Leave them where they are and good luck to them. If they can con another clubs great, it will eat up their resources to compete in the transfer market.

22 Apr 2019 17:26:38
As a club we seem to be making signings that we don't need or the manager didn't want (Sanchez Fred Lukaku-Dont think Jose wanted any of them) . The correct DOF should be able to get any player we need wether its a worldie or raw talent. I agree we have been amazingly unfortunate with our wow signings over the last 5 years -Depay DiMaria to name a few. I like Phelan but i just feel it will be a big mistake if he is appointed DOF. 😁😁.

22 Apr 2019 17:57:31
SAF is still recovering from a life-threatening condition. Does anyone really think he's got the time or inclination to be 'pulling strings'?

22 Apr 2019 09:17:36
Any truth in the rumours that Mike Phelan could be offered the Technical Director role, with Carrick taking his place as assistant manager?

{Ed002's Note - It would be the last laugh.}

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22 Apr 2019 10:27:17
I sincerely hope not. A man whose contacts consist of Sir Alex Ferguson on speed dial 1 to 5, followed by Ole and his local butcher. Also the No.2 that oversaw us playing arguably the most unattractive football of the Fergie years.

Ed is bang on that it would be the last laugh. Please tell me this is not a possibility.

22 Apr 2019 11:06:15
The club has become a joke.

22 Apr 2019 11:22:44
Ed, does that mean that there might be truth in it?

{Ed002's Note - It would be exactly what the fans deserve.}

22 Apr 2019 11:40:13
I agree but do you know if there is truth in it?

22 Apr 2019 11:45:14
Ed002, what fans are you in about? All of us?

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be so tedious.}

22 Apr 2019 12:20:16
About a big amount of support mr. seagull. United fans have been quite toxic in recent years.

22 Apr 2019 08:57:45
Morning all, hope you have all calmed down just a little😀
Ben thinking this morning, trying to look for some positives and just came up with this crazy theory.
Many are questioning Ole's appointment. But maybe, just maybe this may actually be a very shrewd appointment after all?
What if ( and it's a big if) Woodward and the rest of the bumbling fools have actually realised what a state the squad is, and the bad apples that are actually there . They know they need a big clear out and a rebuild. They have also found out that in recent seasons that on the whole, the fans have backed the players over 'outsider' managers, and also know if that ultimately the manager takes responsibility and that it is always going to be easier to get rid of one man rather than the players.
By appointing Ole, a club legend, they know the fans will back him, and will be right behind him in getting rid of said bad apples no matter who they are.
Maybe, just maybe there is a purpose in appointing a fans favourite, a club legend despite him not having the experience or successful managerial background that we would normally expect?

Just to make it clear, I am still unsure about Ole, but certainly not one calling for his sacking already. He was a huge risk, but like previous managers, needs to be given the time and the backing to put things right. Time will tell if he is the right man, not the last 6 weeks.

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22 Apr 2019 10:53:51
He keeps mentioning next pre season which gives me a slither of hope that he is going to drill some sort of system or style of play into the players.

We are not going to get rid of all the players as people have furiously suggested, we will be lucky to get rojo and darmian off the books.

The likes of smalling, jones, young, matic, sanchez and lukaku will all be here next season. It is not looking good so you are not going to find many positives.

22 Apr 2019 11:50:21
Yes Betty, hope your theory works out.
Ole must be ruthless this summer. Clear the sulkers out.

22 Apr 2019 08:22:42
For all these people saying OGS is the wrong appointment. Who would of been the right appointment then?

{Ed002's Note - At least a dozen others.}

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22 Apr 2019 10:54:45
Ralph from southampton probably would have been a better appointment on paper looking at his track record but we are where we are, just have to support ole and the boys.

22 Apr 2019 20:01:12
I'm not bothered what ed002 says. I think he could be great for us. He gets the club and when he's injected this squad with some of his signings and got rid of 5 or 6 we don't need for various reasons then it will be a different story.
It's not all doom and gloom.
Give him a chance, easiest thing in the world to write him off allready.

22 Apr 2019 01:32:24
Hi Ed002
Hope you're all good?

Quick question on Mike Phelan, seems like a lot of stories are emerging about him becoming a Sporting Director? Is this true, he seems like a great guy and all but not quite the track record of a Berta, Monchi or Mitchell in their previous roles. (Not that I'm fussed just seems he's a bit of a pivot from previous characters rumoured to be considered)

And a part 2 if I may, would you be able to summarize the intended new structure?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, it is like some horrible joke isn't it.}

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Review Of The Day 22nd April 2019

22 Apr 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd April 2019

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22 Apr 2019 00:12:43
Was David Moyes's United side the worst in EPL history?

Van Gaal - Hold my Heineken .

Jose - Hold my Sagres .

Ole - *knocks back a shot of aquavit* I've got this.

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22 Apr 2019 12:16:33
All the managers at least had a preseason with the team implemented there own style and got the players on to fit that style

Its embarrassing to even associate myself with some of use on here as so called United fans.

And use wonder why other teams fans take the piss.

22 Apr 2019 13:31:24
Terrible joke.

21 Apr 2019 23:36:03
Results all went our way for once.
So despite today's performance we didn't lose any ground.
A lot to play for on Wed. It will be a tough job selecting a team
I think ole has to draw a line in the sand and pick the ones he is keeping and want to finish 4th.
We can't keep relying on spurs and arsenal losing to keep us in the game.

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22 Apr 2019 01:09:31
I just pray we see mason greenwood play between now and the end of the season. Not good enough from our attacking players. In fact just play the damn kids, they’ll show more fight than that lot today.

22 Apr 2019 09:46:16
We once said this for Rashford, but now he is on the same ship and super inconsistent. So i would keep the younger players away for a bit and let them learn or may be a loan move would help them.

22 Apr 2019 10:15:40
Hope I am so wrong but even with other teams faltering I don’t see us getting top 4.
We are on such a bad run and we have no confidence.

Lindelof needs to play at CB, Shaw will be back. Matic is unfit, Martial is useless, Fred and Jones speak for themselves.

I am at the point of wondering whether De Gea and Pogba are dropped and put in the stand but I don’t know what their influence is in the dressing room so that is only something that Ole will know. I personally don’t like their body language in recent games but will accept that this may be an overreaction on my part.

This is the time when Ole needs to make tough decisions about squad selection to show the players who is in charge and has the backing of the fans. The players need to know that if they are not good enough then they need to leave. If they don’t want to stay then they also must leave as the fans have had enough of watching overpaid premadonas.

I will accept several seasons of not winning silverware on the basis of building a team that is hungry for success and plays to win games and go after teams.

We need to purchase good young players going forward plus determine which ones from the academy can make it at the top.

21 Apr 2019 23:15:56
Rashford, Martial, Smalling, Jones, Young and Matic shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.

None of those mentioned are good enough.
Martial hasn't shown any interest for 2 seasons.
Rashford just isn't good enough. i know people will complain about that because he's "Manc born and bred" but he's rubbish. Lacks football intelligence to get to where he needs to be.

I have to agree with Mourinho, getting second with that bunch of overpaid lazy players was a miracle.

Big changes needed in the summer. 2 wingers, a CM, CB and RB are needed drastically.

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22 Apr 2019 08:39:22
I agree wholeheartedly but would throw Lukaku and Lingard in there too. Rashford has one attribute which is pace but offers very little else. We are embarrassing.

22 Apr 2019 12:05:13
They are mostly reasonable players as you saw during the dead-cat bounce period, so this ceaseless antagonism to the players is misguided. The issue is the manager who has neither the intellect nor the tactical expertise to manage a team.


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