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19 Mar 2018 14:19:34
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19 Mar 2018 14:00:50
rahter than asking who we want as next manager maybe we should be we should be asking since Jose took over have we made progression? have we improved since the days of the great one.

he took over a team in absolute dire need of some organisation, under LVG and Moyes we were a shambles at the back, we got beat easy on far to many occasions under the 2 previous managers before jose took over, we the position we finished on speaks for itself.

the fact the squad overall was not left in a great state, our leaders had left, the core spine of the team left, our so called superstars were coming to the end of there time, there peak years were gone.

YES the football at times this season, mainly the last few months has been dull and unattractive, but until we hit that tough few games the back of i think October where we drew a few in a row we were not playing that bad, we got injuries to pogba, bailly, players form dropped, surely the manager isn't at fault for that

thats not saying we could be better
but the table does not lie, we are clearly making progress under Jose, and with a few tweaks here and there and some luck with injuries we might have that team to be able to challenge,

in hind sight we haven't had a bad season, i think city's dominance has made everyone pannick like no tomorrow.

i keep seeing posts about how liverpool and spurs play this amazing football that's out of this world yet both sit below us as it stands.

this amazing football also has them on less wins that us and more draws.

SPURS have scored one more goal than us playing this amazing football yet sit 4 points behind and are still on less goal difference.

i for one don't see why most people are calling for his head, tbh i think its a bit embarrassing, were having our best season in 5 years,

were a miles better team since jose took over and i for one i'm glad his been given another contract,

if the players don't like what there being asked of the BOSS then just like any other job they can find a new one.

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19 Mar 2018 14:30:22
No Bolger, you are wrong. You are on the wrong page. We cannot support the manager on this page. Its doom United on here. We need to sack him now. Then get Poch, sack him October because we are sure to be unhappy about something. Then get in god himself and give him the sack because he subbed off Shaw at half time.

19 Mar 2018 14:42:30
Good post bolger.

19 Mar 2018 15:01:11
Bolger, you make a good point. We are a better team now results wise than we were under LvG. And we play slightly better football.

If I was to rate the club under LvG, performance would be 1 out of 10, results would have been 5 out of 10.

Under Mourinho I would say performance 3 out of 10, results 7 out of ten.

So he has improved the team a bit. But there is far more scope for improvement. The question is if it's taken 300m to get the club to improve the small amount it has, how much more will it take to get the club where we want to be? Another 300m? 500m? 1b? And how many more years?

Mourinho tends to peak in his second year and implode in his third, that's next season.

The real questions should be how much more can Mourinho improve this team and how long will it take, and how much will it cost?

19 Mar 2018 15:55:03
Shan will you stop moaning
Everything is groovy
Jose is a breath of fresh air.

19 Mar 2018 16:04:18
i agree shappy that the performances haven't been consistent enough, but in brief spells we have seen what we can do.

i think what hasn't helped its what pep has done with city, there football this season has been different gravy.

we needed a lot of investment, our midfield was crying out for changes before moyes took over as was the defence.

players who we bought under fergie to replace the likes of rio, and vidic have not worked out.

its difficult to make an argument in regards to money, players who would have cost 30 million 10 years ago are now going for 60.

but nether the less we still need to strengthen in areas, we have a lot of young players, if we get the right balance and we can find that click I've no doubt we can over throw city.

im just not jumping on the whole jose out bandwagon, were having our best prem season in 5 years, in the fa cup semi. not a disaster of a season.

as much as a disappointment it was to lose against sevilla s**t happens that's football, city got beat against wigan its not the end of the world.

use never know jose mnight read this site and we might throw the kitchen sink at city when we play them, nothing else to lose.

19 Mar 2018 16:09:09
Sure Leahy. You got it. See you next season. Hopefully it will be a happy place by then. Cheers to a good ending to the season.

19 Mar 2018 16:13:50
Shan itsa happy place. somepeoplejust say what they see.
Keep posting my man.

19 Mar 2018 16:37:40
Bolger, you say we need a lot of players to be a strong team. Many people say a team is only as strong as its spine. Well Mourinho has brought in two CB's in Bailly and Lindelof, two midfielders in Matic and Pogba, and two strikers in Zlatan and Lukaku. As well as signing two wingers in Mkhitaryan and Sanchez. That's to add to players like DDG, Valencia, Shaw, Rashford and Martial. One of those is arguably the best goalkeeper in the world and two are previously world record fees paid for teenagers.

That is a lot of investment, and there are few areas Jose could argue he hasn't been able to improve with signings. Mostly the full back areas. Better full backs would improve us, but how much?

If we buy better full backs and the performance level doesn't dramatically improve then what area of the team could be described as an inherited weakness that Mourinho has to deal with?

Has Jose done an awful job? No he hasn't, but neither has he done a great job. That's why some people are starting to question him.

19 Mar 2018 17:27:03
bailly has been injured most of the season, lindelof is still adapting, zlatan has been injured all season and we swapped miki for sanchez. carrick jones all been injured.

we have no squad dept. were playing two wingers as full backs because the full backs we have are not good enough, martial is hit a miss as is rashford which is expected as they are young.

i agree that once the squad is complete the performances have to be that level where expecting but other teams around us are also going to improve.

money is irreverent, were assuming because a 20 year old cost 60 million he is the finished article.

19 Mar 2018 12:58:29
Is it still allowed to post something positive on this page without being shot down or will the "glass is half full" people be looked down upon as if we were West Brom fighting against relegation?

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19 Mar 2018 13:42:03
You want to talk about how great Rashford is don’t you Shan?

19 Mar 2018 13:57:44
Absolutely, he is boy wonder, the next Maradona or Pele. I care about the club rather than individual players. But this page as of now is such a turn off. You only see hatred, negative comments. It seems like the posters here are the pundits on TV. I am sure Savage is on here, so is Souness and a few others. So much negativity about the club we all love.

No wonder Eds call us TOXICS. We are what is wrong with this world right now. Cringing, crying, spewing lava everywhere at the first possible chance.

19 Mar 2018 14:43:29
Good post shan.

19 Mar 2018 14:52:10
Hatred? Nothing like some hyperbole to try and back up a point.

19 Mar 2018 14:56:29
Shan so you are now moaning about someone else moaning. Atleast most people criticizing or as you put Cringing, crying, spewing lava everywhere at the first possible chance are doing while sharing their reasons for rather than throwing a tantrum like you are.

19 Mar 2018 15:32:44
What did i ask of you CSM, remember? Please don't bother. I prefer not to get in an argument with people like yourself who have made up their mind (that is if you have one) . Stevie mate, the page isn't a happy place anymore. I ain't making a point here. Its just what i see here week in week out. No wonder half the regulars are gone from here. People coming on this page to complain about Jose's cringe. Do they even look in the mirror. If he was cringing, what in heaven's name are you doing.

Football is just a game, its not a matter of life and death so stop making it into one. Our players are poor, our manager is absolute rubbish and the board is crap. I am guilty of downgrading people myself (Rashford) but i don't feel like just going on and on and on about it. I am sure once our current manager goes, the next one will face the same fate from this bunch. We are spoilt.

This place used to be fun which it isn't anymore.

19 Mar 2018 16:22:26
I completely agree there isn’t a lot of fun any more but surely we can debate and discuss without having to be yah boo, which there has been a lot of lately. People are passionate and emotions run high so I guess it isn’t surprising that extremes come to the fore.

I’m not sure how many people want him sacked, but there clearly a level of frustration with his approach and most recent press conferences. Some love him, some hate him, most are probably somewhere in between. Compared to the LVG tenure it’s an oasis of calm on here at the minute.

19 Mar 2018 17:12:14
I know what you are trying to say Shan but honestly I have found the site very interesting and the debates have been an eye opener. I think everybody on the site has presented their arguments in a respectable way, albeit some more emotional than others. Everyone has a different opinion and the site is a far better place when as many different people as possible voice their views as authentically as possible. Yes it has not all been positive but I think that reflects accurately the way this current united team are performing. I like your posts shan and it would be a shame for you not to post here as often. it has been a bit doom and gloom of late but I feel this is the sort of time when I learn and develop my own view on the current situation.

I find this site can be a mad house at times but it is very cathartic to voice my frustrations when we play badly. I fear I would go crazy without this site! So I wouldn't take it as fans being toxic but that they have an opinion and this platforms allows them to voice it however they please. I hope I have not come across as condescending as that is not my intention.

19 Mar 2018 20:16:27
Good post park.
I know what i want to happen in the summer. If it happens great if it doesn't ill be supporting the club anyhow.
Jose is in a great position imo he knows what he wants. The board have a choice back him or sack him. Lots of players with a year or 2 left on their contracts. If jose doesn't want them all he has to do is not play them very much then the board has a decision to make. No point giving players new contracts to sit in the stand. Fellaini blind darmian ibra carrick shaw herrera have hardly got out of single figures in league appearances this season so do they sign them all up on multi million pound contracts to sit in the stands not even the bench.
I think jose is playing it right.
Fellaini doesn't want to stay nor ibra carrick retiring i'm sure blind darmian and shaw would like a move rather than waste their time sitting in the stands.
There are others like mata martial and pogba that might look to engineer a move away if they are unhappy and can find a club to take them and pay what the club wants for them.
Lots to look forward to imo.
The first group of players mentioned above won't get into the team for a new manager either imo unless its blinds father or moyes comes back.
Looking forward to what is joyfully 10 more games tbis session and then looking forward to wjat should be a very interesting summer ahead.

Is Jose Mourinho doing a good job at Manchester United

19 Mar 2018 12:41:23
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19 Mar 2018 12:57:25
Good post Shappy. I can’t see the board sacking him yet.
Maybe at the end of the season if mess up in the league.

19 Mar 2018 13:44:10
Fair assessment Shappy I’m in the same boat as you. Not really sure what to think at the moment the atmosphere is very strange. Yes statistically we have improved but he football is awful, our star/ most talented players are playing woefully and look unhappy, and the manager seems to be eager to fight with everyone and everything. I don’t think he will be sacked and will get another season but I’ve got this feeling of frustration and resignation that next year will be more of the same. People say we can’t keep sacking managers but sometimes keeping a manager on longer is far more damaging and detrimental. Some of these players need to grow a pair as they have had an easy ride far too long. They have massive contracts and aren’t prepared to put in the hard graft that is required to play for Manchester United. But on the flip side Jose is not getting the team cohesion and tempo right. Crucial times ahead but I just hope next season does not end in disaster if Jose is still in charge. History suggests that it is more likely to happen than not.

19 Mar 2018 13:54:43
That was a good post shappy it is hard to form an entirely convincing argument either for or against the job Jose has done . Before the season started if we said come second and into semi of the cup many would accept that but by the same token going out in cups to Sevilla and Bristol city and often being pretty dull to watch many wouldn't accept . The Sanchez signing I think most of us wanted him to make at the time and he's maybe just as taken aback as us in what he has served up so far . We have points in the bag and lots of games left I would expect us to win so I hope he can put put a bit more emphasis on attack for the remainder of the season and show us all a different string to his bow that leaves fans a little more upbeat for next season but I won't count on it . I neither love nor hate him I just find his style of play a bit flat .

19 Mar 2018 14:00:16
Good balanced assessment Shappy. I think it would be about right if he was replaced in the summer. He will have improved us from LVG but I think another year of his nonsense will be too much. Time to get a more progressive manager who can bring some harmony and dare I say JOY back to OT.

19 Mar 2018 16:00:06
Good write up that shaps.

19 Mar 2018 12:26:05
I don't understand the Martial hate. Has he really been poor this season?

In around half the number of minutes played he has more than twice the number of goals and assists that Sanchez has managed. He has done that playing on the wing, a position many don't believe to be his best.

Only Lukaku has scored more goals and he is tied with Pogba for assists. Two 90m players.

In what world has a young 22 year old who has scored 11 goals and created 10 assists across all competitions be considered to not be playing well?

The problem for Martial, along with all our offensive players is a lack of consistency, mostly created by playing every other game with the intention to NOT score. Or at least not to attack the opposition.

Yes he does lose the ball from time to time, and yes he does make the wrong decision at times as well. Yet his statistics show that he is one of our best creative outlets.

At 22 did Giggs or Ronaldo succeed every time they tried to take on the opposition full back?

At 22 did Giggs or Ronaldo score with every shot or find a team mate with every pass?

the answer to those questions is a resounding no, in fact, Ronaldo has never finished a game having scored from every shot, with 100% passing and dribbling success rate. This in in spite of him being arguably one of the best players of all time, and very much the finished article.

Martial is an offensive player, more of a striker/ inside forward than a winger or wide midfielder. And yet this young player, playing out of position being ask to play tactic's that don't work to his strengths has managed to be one of our best creative outlets so far this season with only limited playing time.

Anthony Martial has all the talent required to be a top top player, and despite what people believe he is actually working toward fulfilling that talent. To boot him out and replace him seems pointless and very short sighted. If he moves to Juventus then within 3 years he'll have Barcelona and Real Madrid battling it out for his signature.

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19 Mar 2018 12:33:44
Couldn’t agree more Shappy. Selling martial will be a massive mistake and I think he was having a very good season until Sanchez came and he was shifted into the right hand side. We aren’t getting the best out of him or the rest of our attacking players for that matter. He will go elsewhere and tear it up and we will be sitting here thinking what if. It’s baffling if I’m honest. I understand Jose has certain requirements on what he expects from his players but it is very short termism to get rid of martial and replace him with Perisic who is 30 I believe. If he is looking at someone like dybala then I can understand. I hope he does not leave but I think there is a real chance it may happen.

19 Mar 2018 12:36:37
He doesn't smile enough. It's a no no for me.

19 Mar 2018 12:43:28
I think he is a great finisher but often a passenger in games. He has scored some great goals but too often he is anonymous. Now whether that’s down to him or Jose is another matter entirely 😳.

19 Mar 2018 12:45:02
Totally agree, he was beginning to be very consistent until Mourinho dropped him for Sanchez.

19 Mar 2018 12:53:42
Could be Jose next Kevin De buryne moment.

19 Mar 2018 13:03:34
The problem with him is it seems he's not giving 100%. He got his big money move and thought that he has achieved it all. He still has time but he has to show that he wants it badly. Look at Sane, Jesus or Asensio, players same age or maybe younger but they show their class. They might go through rough patch but whenever they get the chance they give it their all.
Martial has the attitude of a frustrated Sanchez just about to cry everytime they lose the ball. Why not go after the ball and show some determination. Ronaldo reached at that level because of his relentless work ethic. He decided he wants to become the best in the world and worked on it. Martial has been deployed on the wing for the past few seasons, so why not work on that. How long will we continue to think that his best position is striker. He can easily become the best but he just looks uninterested.
Maybe Martial and others aren't able to perform to their full capabilities because of the managers style and added pressure on them to get back to defend quickly. Maybe they are afraid to try something new as they are afraid that they might lose their place in the team if they do something wrong. But that's the point which separates the good ones from the ones that could never fulfill their potential. Maybe Martial needs a fresh start or maybe he can go on loan to some big team.

19 Mar 2018 13:10:02
Bang on Shappy.

19 Mar 2018 13:33:18
Sailor, how do you know he has a poor work ethic or feels like he's "made it"?

Because he doesn't smile much? or because he doesn't track back?

Did Ronaldo do either of those things when he was 22?

People often talk about how we had a team full of fighters and workaholic's under Sir Alex, so did Sir Alex only buy those types of players or did he inspire those kind of performances out of his players?

A lot of the criticisms Jose levels at players like Martial and Shaw he levelled at De Bruyne. Poor trainer, cannot follow instructions, inconsistent ect ect. Yet Pep seems to be getting a pretty good tune out of the lad. And Pep is known as a manager who is relentless in training and following his orders.

You say about the performances of other similar aged players, Asensio, Sane, Jesus. well only Sane has more goals/ assists. Sane has managed one goal more than Martial and 3 more assists in a record breaking team surrounded by better players and having played an additional 600 minutes of football or around 7 whole games more. How many goals/ assists would Martial have this season if he was first choice at City?

The kids a real talent, how many kids do you see signed with Balon d'or clauses in their contracts? Clearly United and Monaco saw something very special in him considering no one bar Ronaldo and Messi and won the Balon d'or in over 10 years.

Considering the chief gripe people seem to have with United under Mourinho is a lack of attacking intent it seems a little counterproductive to then blame and scapegoat our most productive attacking player.

19 Mar 2018 14:07:33
If Mourinho stays Martial wouldn't play in his best position. So it is no point the club keeping Martial for another 2 years and stop his development.

If he is going given game time in a position he wants then it is fair for him to stay but if Jose isn't going to give him. game time then i can see him leave.

He has a lot of talent but he has to kick on now .

19 Mar 2018 14:08:59
Shappy - The problem with Martial (if you can call it that) is he is still young and inconsistent. In my opinion there are also question marks about his movement, desire and work rate.

He's a very talented player but in today's climate of instant success rules there is no patience or understanding that he needs time to develop and learn.

We experienced similar results and abject performances in the couple of years prior to Rooney and Ronaldo maturing. If memory serves me correct I think we we're even eliminated in the group stages of the Champions League.

I can understand Jose's frustration because instant results are expected and he probably doesn't have the luxury of time which was afforded to Fergi. He needs quick fixes and instant hits and his frustration with the likes of Rashford, Martial and even Lingard is understandable.

Jose has sold some fantastic players because he doesn't have the patience or inclination to let them mature. He understands that football requires instant results otherwise a wave of criticism and unrest follows.

He's attempted every trick in the book to try and provoke a reaction from the players but ultimately what some of them really need is time and games.

The problem Jose has is he's reliant on theses players to deliver the goods now. History tells us he doesn't stay at Clubs for long so it's little wonder he's grows frustrated when performances are good one week but poor the next.

For those reasons I'm not convinced another manger could get much more out of this squad in terms of results yet I suppose an argument could made that the football might be better.

19 Mar 2018 14:14:07
Do people hate him shappy? i'm pretty sure nobody on here even knows him are you just using that word to exaggerate/ emphasise your point?
Im ambivalent as to whether he stays or goes.
I thought rash had 1 goal more this season.
Juve are in talks with united. But the clubs are poles apart on valuation. Nobody else has made an enquiry. So juve don't rate him enough to pay top dollar and nobody else has asked so obviously not everybody rates him as highly as you despite all their superior knowledge.
Are his representatives using juve to get a better deal from united? that's quite possible.
You seem to be getting your knickers in a twist over a player nobody has tried to sign.
If he stays he stays if not we will get someone else in and hopfully they will do better than he has.
He was the most expensive teenager in the world but so was shaw before him.
It could be worth keeping him another season but it depends on what the club want to do. Players come and go all the time.
If i was in charge he would be on my list of possible exists but not on my list of must go's

Jose rates him as people keep telling me jose rates fellaini (well enough to start him 5 times this season) he gets plenty of game time has a decent return but nothing special.
Im not bothered either way. I don't hate him certainly not enogh to vandalise his car or anything like that👍🏼.

19 Mar 2018 14:46:31
That's a good post Danny.

19 Mar 2018 15:26:31
Good thing your not in charge then ken. Maybe we have one of those people in charge with superior knowledge to you and me. But that is the same manager who has consistently booted out youngsters for them to go an and prove him wrong. Jose is a good manager, but he lacks patience and the ability to improve young players, it is a trend across his entire career and not just his time at our club.

Does anyone hate him? I don't know, I can't read minds. I can read though and judging by some of the comments on here and on the live chat it isn't a massive leap to say some people are really not fond of him.

Rashford has now scored 1 goal more than Martial after his brace against Liverpool last week. He is however, still three assists short of Martial's current total and has played nearly 200 minutes more football, or 2 whole games more. I think they have had similar seasons, however there is a feeling both could do more if given the proper platform. However, clearly Martial has the higher ceiling.

Juventus have made a serious enquiry, and as we know no one else has. What we can't do though is know why they haven't, that's just speculation. Maybe they don't think he's attainable, maybe he doesn't suit the style they are looking for, maybe they aren't in need of a player with Martial's skill set or maybe they don't rate him at the asking price. All speculation.

Btw are you on Ed001's team or Ed002's team for the charity match?

19 Mar 2018 18:23:38
001 looking forward to that.

Johan Cruyff

19 Mar 2018 11:20:20
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19 Mar 2018 14:49:43
Great article. The man was a football genius.

Review Of The Day 19th March 2018

19 Mar 2018 05:55:19
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19 Mar 2018 09:52:45
Interesting read on a few of the mentions but I won’t want to get into the details since there is so much opinions from the supporters 🤣🤣
Always a good read Ed 👍👍.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate.}

19 Mar 2018 04:53:51
Going on from the thread of lookalike footballers - For a good laugh type in youtube - "Footballers with Mesut Özil eyes! "

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19 Mar 2018 09:19:37
Nice one Beast! Wenger, wow. I won't sleep tonight!

19 Mar 2018 09:55:44
Beast 👍👍👍
What a nightmare 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

19 Mar 2018 11:30:01
Classic beast😂😂.

Formula 1 2018 Season Preview

18 Mar 2018 22:36:38
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19 Mar 2018 00:28:22
Very interesting depart from the usual getting to be boring football 🤣🤣🤣.
Yes agree will be an interesting season albeit between Ferrari and Mercedes. Spotlight on Hamilton and I feel Vettel will turn up with some surprises.
New rules and all in all will make a very nice interesting season. Thanks for this nice detour 👍👏.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, just thought I would add something different and remind people we have an F1 site while I was about it!}

19 Mar 2018 07:19:45
I've supported Ferrari for over 45 years. So I'm hoping the scuderia Ferrari can bring it in this year. They need to be better under pressure as last season, they lost a few races due to bad tactics (similar to United! ) .

19 Mar 2018 07:33:14
AAA they’re also both red 🤣🤣🤣 and yes I have supported Ferrari for the longest of time.
There will be a day when both Ferrari and ManUtd will be back to glory days again 💪💪.

19 Mar 2018 12:16:26
AAA. I think the biggest disaster was the accident right in the beginning of the Singapore Grand Prix. That messed everything up!

18 Mar 2018 20:40:40
I see a lot of Jose bashing on here and in the media and it is quite baffling to me.

We just came off 2 weeks in which we beat Chelsea and Liverpool and reached an FA cup semi final. Yes, we lost in a disappointing fashion in the UCL but that's a 3/ 4 good results that we've achieved. 2 of them against tough opponents.

Liverpool's free scoring front 3 barely had a shot on target and were made to look completely impotent at Old trafford. With all the possession they had we let them create next to nothing and their goal came from a freak Bailly OG. They are behind us in the league, have spent just as much and yet there are no questions asked of Klopp but Jose is under pressure?

I see everyone praising Pochetino, talking him up as a potential United manager yet he's won nothing, his teams regularly crumble and fall at the final hurdle and time and again need Harry Kane to bail them out and are quite inconsistent without him. Yet, there is so much praise for Pochetino but talk of Jose needing to go? Do Spurs really play that much better than us?

So, one loss to Sevilla has to put a manager on the brink when he's won 2 trophies last year, put us back in the UCL, in an FA cup semi final and 2nd in the league to a team that is playing on superhuman levels? Is this Manchester United or Real Madrid/ Chelsea?

Everyone seems to think we have such great players with potential who aren't performing because of the manager, I tend to disagree.

When was the last time Pogba played a full 90 minutes in which he totally controlled the game? He has a few flashes and tricks that sometime come off but he doesn't do the basics a CM is supposed to do of positioning and consistent passing and dictating tempo and gives away the ball cheaply. For a tall guy he repeatedly loses headers on second balls. If there's one mistake Jose has made imo, its buying Pogba. His mistakes got covered up at Juve because of Pirlo and Vidal who were world class. A player who looks good in highlight reels but never delivers over a full 90 minutes and seems to be playing with his mates in the park. He is 25, the days to talk about "potential" are long gone.

There were questions about youth development when Jose came yet he trusts Lingard who is having his best season for us this year, Rashford plays every game and he is trusting a young Scott Mctominay. He's doing the best with the youth at his disposal.

Are Martial and Herrera really that great players? Has Smalling ever filled you up with confidence? And for all the talk of potential, which was the 90 minutes that made you actually see it on the pitch with Shaw? The only ones who are performing consistently imo are Lukaku (even when he didn't score he created chances for others), Matic (been solid all season but been let down by his partner), Mata (always a 7-8/ 10) and Lingard (always has movement and causes problems), Bailly and of course De Gea. The rest of them look, just like they did under Moyes and LVG, go hiding, show no movement and play it sideways instead of taking players on.

How is it that Matic gives that performance he did against Brighton but the others don't? How is it Lukaku creates for his teammates even when he's in bad scoring form? How is it that Lingard shows movement but others don't? Are these guys being told some different tactics by Jose than the others? Or is it a lack of character from the others? For all the talk of defensive tactics, Jose's Chelsea, Madrid and Inter had some really good dominant displays.

I feel the squad Jose took over was very average and needed "major retooling". He didn't start with KDB, Sterling, David Silva, Aguero, Kompany, Fernandinho already at the club and Fergie's lack of investment and the next two managers' poor spending left us in a hole.

He's found one midfielder, striker, a good center back and half a decent center back and made a big mistake on Pogba. Our spending gets very distorted when we look at the overall money spent but one must realize that a huge chunk of it was spent on Lukaku and Pogba. He hasn't actually bought that many players and the squad is largely the same.

Jose's made a lot of enemies in the media, all of whom were just waiting for that one defeat to turn the knife in. The ones who are freaking out over here have never particularly wanted him anyway. Sacking him now will achieve nothing and we will go through another huge process of starting all over again and what is to say the next manager will play the football of your dreams? The grass is always greener on the other side.

The club need to back Jose and let the players know that the manager is in charge and they have to perform or perish and will be shipped out no matter their name. That is the only way some of them will stop slacking off. Has Jose made some mistakes? Yes. But he's done better than most and does not deserve the level of criticism he's getting right now.

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18 Mar 2018 21:14:35
Ken meet REDFAITH, REDFAITH, this is ken.

18 Mar 2018 21:18:24
Good post redfaith.

I have consistently said the same players who were there under LVG and Moyes have not performed. 3 different managers and not really performed. For all of joses faults, whether he is the man to take us forward or not, opinions will differ. The players are and have not been good enough for a good 5 or 6 years.

18 Mar 2018 21:50:19
Pogba Miki Sanchez lindelof ibra have all been amazing this season .

18 Mar 2018 21:52:23
For me our biggest problem at the moment is our lack of pressing and intensity. We're just so passive and seem to let even the most average of teams have comfortable possession.

I'd like us to be braver and push 10-20 yards further up the pitch. I'd love to see us play with a much higher intensity and desire especially at Old Trafford.

This was the most disappointing thing about the Sevilla game. We sat back and hoped for something to happen rather than taking the initiative and making something happen. We made it comfortable for them by being far too passive which allowed them to grow in confidence and we just let the game drift dangerously towards full time.

I honestly don't know if this is down to the tactics, a lack of desire on behalf of the players or a combination of the two.

I can't see why a front 4 of Rashford, Sanchez, Lingard and Lukaku shouldn't be able to put the opposition defenders under pressure. Once they start hunting the ball down it becomes infectious, the crowd are engaged and the rest of the team should naturally follow. Sometimes just a bit of effort and desire is enough to energise the crowd and wake everybody up.

For the rest of the season I'd like to see us start games with a higher tempo. Put the opposition under pressure, don't let them settle, be braver with and without the ball, work harder and just get some urgency and intensity back into our game I don't think that's too much to ask.

18 Mar 2018 21:38:27
Great post redfaith.

18 Mar 2018 22:11:20
Pogba has been v hit and miss, lindelof very much improved since the start but Jose seems to prefer smalling? Miki not good enough and already gone, Sanchez, no doubt is very good but not here long enough yet. Ibra won many games for us last season and has been injured this year.

I'm much more worried about the players who have been here years and consistently performed at a level that is just not good enough.

18 Mar 2018 22:13:57
'Jose done nowt wrong'

18 Mar 2018 22:19:33
Take away the likes of smalling and co that have won the epl which players have been here years and proved there not good enough.

Do you think fellaini is good enough? Do you think Jose rates him?

18 Mar 2018 22:23:36
Jose took over a squad that had just finished on the same points as city and won the fa cup.
Since then only city and pay have spent more . Mind you we got Sanchez and ibra for nothing other than there mega wages .

Not sure Jose has had it as hard as some would like to make out .

18 Mar 2018 23:40:00
Fantastic post redfaith!

19 Mar 2018 02:35:45
Yes jred and only City are above us in the table. City started with a squad that was way better than ours and was massively underperforming. I think our squad was about the level at which it finished under LVG.

I don't think you can compare the likes of Herrera to David Silva in terms of talent. Rashford/ Martial are nowhere near Aguero's level. Kompany is better than every defender Jose started with. Fernandinho is much better than any defensive midfielder Jose had. KDB is much better than any midfielder Jose started with. That's a great base for Pep to build on. Why do you think he went to City instead of us? We are a year or two behind that squad.

How many players has Jose actually bought? The spending is totally distorted by the fees for Lukaku and Pogba.

Pogba - A mistake imo. Massively overrated.
Mkhi - mistake, shipped out.
Lindelof - Getting used to the EPL. Improving slowly.
Zlatan - Short term fix. Worked well for a year.
Lukaku - Long term fix. Performing well.
Matic - Playing well.
Bailly - unlucky with injuries. Absolute rock when fit.
Sanchez - Has barely had 2 months. Too early to judge.

So I would say about a third of his signings have worked out, a third could go either way and a third have flopped.

Why is it that you see Jesse Lingard and to an extent Lukaku and Rashford always pressing defenders but Martial never does it? All of them have the same coach. Valencia has good positioning but Shaw always disappointed. The constantly dropping back instead of pressing to me is much more to do with desire and character than tactics.

Smalling's distribution is piss poor and it hampers the entire attacking structure. We've made some players sound like world beaters who've just been performing badly because of the manager when they're actually quite average. Some of them have gone through 3 managers now and are still just as bad.

19 Mar 2018 02:56:46
Well said redfaith. Well reasoned post.

19 Mar 2018 06:22:28
Great post redfaith.

19 Mar 2018 07:35:42
Red faith - just to play devil's advocate, why would you want to change these rubbish players whose achievements you list or is every success down to José and then when the fans complain about results / tactics its the players fault. Who picks Fellani, who picks as some say the overweight Shaw, who chose to change a successful team against Liverpool for the Sevilla game. You say Smalling's distribution hampers the whole attacking structure, yet José thinks he offers more to the team than his own signing, Lindelof.
Some posters point out that during a 'normal' season we would be challenging for the title, are our players really as bad as some make out. Yes we need changes but I don't buy into the wholesale changes some advocate. For me our failings are a mix of both the players' and manager's faults.
You mention transfers, something I remain unconvinced about with José and think that his record with us is questionable at best.

19 Mar 2018 07:40:11
Have a word Jose sets up the team they play as he wants.
It's not the school yard, they work on how there going to play who there up against what positions they take up depended where the ball is on the pitch .
Jose has bought 8 players or more to the point MAN UNITED have bought 8 players . Take bailly Jose had little input in to buying him .

A third of our new signings have worked out? So 2 thirds haven't 2 out of 3 . That's pretty poor.

19 Mar 2018 07:45:51
This season.
Sanchez poor
Lindelof poor can't get in the team ahead of smalling *who gets dogs abuse in here . But is ahead of lindelof
Bailly been injured most the season like Jones.
Miki sold
Pogba shadow of the player he should be
Ibra awful played 2 games
Matic done well
Lukaku done well .

It's a team game and to suggest that it's only the players who were at the club before Jose is nonsense .
2 players signed since Jose come to the club have done well this season.

19 Mar 2018 07:47:29
Tony, what have you started? Can if worms comes to mind haha. My opinion in mourinho is that he plays rubbish football but somehow gets results. However, we're at the counting part of the season. Every result matters from now on. Will we beat Spurs at Wembley? Will we go there to offer an attacking threat or will we play the same rubbish and lose. Spurs are not Seville. They're much better than Seville. So it'll be interesting to see what happens.
On the player front Redfaith, city had invested better than us, that's a given. They also don't spend a lot on one player but they buy a lot if very good players at good prices. However, mourinho has been here 2 years and in that time, we needed two full backs which he has not sorted (city bought three in one window) . We needed another commanding centre back alongside bailly, not sorted (city bought Laporte) . We needed a winger or two, not sorted (city bought Sanè and Silva) . And most importantly, we needed a midfield and that's definitely not sorted.
So what has mourinho done to warrant our appreciation and respect. He's bought mkhytarian who flopped badly. He bought Pogba who was a world star at Juve and is now flopping terribly. He bought lindelof and he's been below average. And he gave Zlatan a new contract when it is clear the guy is finished. Matic, lukaku and Bailly are the successes. I could have told you that matic and lukaku will succeed as they're PL proven bailly was a good buy. So more than half his expensive purchases have flopped. I'm not mentioning Sanchez here as it's too early to judge.
The way the players are performing does not fill any of us with hope. It is mostly a collection of expensive players playing like strangers. Is that not the manager's job to get them to play as a unit? When mourinho holds a press conference, he insults the fans, the club, the owners, the management, the refs, the press, the medical staff and his own players. He also comes across as extremely thick and lacking in any common sense or clarity. So if the same applies to his tactics and man management, then is it any wonder the players are confused and disillusioned? Is it any wonder the fans are bored and disinterested?
It's one thing supporting the club and another supporting the manager in his actions. I support United passionately and will do till the day I die, but I cannot support a manager who is clearly out of touch and who is harming the reputation of our beloved United.

19 Mar 2018 08:40:03
Lets see what happens in the summer
I hope to see ibra fellaini and carrick leave/ retire
Im also hoping that at least 5 of the following are shown the door. Smalling blind darmian shaw jones herrera mata martial rojo.
I hope that valencia and young become occasional starters covering for new signings.
Ideally i would like to see tuanzabe tfm and mctom in the 1st team squad and 5 new signings
Rb lb cb (depending on out goings) cm×2 rw
Dont care if the signings are big names that cost a lot or if he signs players that cost little. The criteria must be that they fit the system and managers demanding style.
Preferably i'd like to see a couple of proven winners with good big club experience with the right mentality come in along with a couple that want to prove they can move on to the next level.

19 Mar 2018 09:19:34
Good post AAA. Ken, at last; I think we agree!

19 Mar 2018 09:23:08
Dont see what the summer has to do with how the team performs in the present .

Fellaini is a interesting one why would anyone want to get rid of a player the manager would like to keep?
Rojo? We have just given him a new 4 year deal which would suggest the manager is happy with him . So again why would anyone want rid of him .
Surely he must fit the managers system.

19 Mar 2018 09:39:33
Aaa. Pep got the support from tge board to clear the decks completely and replace all the aging under performing players in 1 go.
He could not turn zabaletta kolorov sagna clichie navas nolito fernando ya ya ieanacho managala into the team he wanted. Their board supported him fully. If all those players were still there city would be like they were last season.

Ed002 has said we tried and jose wanted 2 get 2 new full backs and a cb last summer. But they would only spend so much and the board would not allow him to purge all the players he wanted to release.

This summer he must be allowed to do that.

When was the last time that valencia young shaw smalling jones rojo fellaini herrera darmian blind etc enertained you all here 3 4 5 plus years. These guys are not capable of doing that just like the city players pep sold and replaced.

I agree that the football is poor but no manager could get those above to entertain you. A couple of them have a title under fergie but were bit part players at best during that time.

Your right jose needed them replaced. He identified that but has not veen allowed or ed woodward fsiled to secure the replacements. Ed002 has told us that.

Do you really think he has not told the board they need replacing. Of course he has. He is not to blame for the fact they have not been.
As i said above let's see what happens thus summer. I don't nor does anybody expect us to play like city if and when that happens. But the style will be better considersbly ove no doubt about that.

The most succesful manager in our history abused tbe board and owners and threatened to sue them until he was but back in his box. He served several suspensions for abusing refs both during games and in post match comments. Our revered ex club captain ripped into supporters for their lack of vocal support. Jose has said nothing really that most managers don't say at some point.

Lots of people are frustrated me included but i think we need to give jose the support he needs. Lots of players been failing for years. He knows that he wants to do what city did last year and clear the decks. Until he does that this squad will go nowhere just like city's squad went nowhere last year.

19 Mar 2018 09:59:12
So Jose wants rid of fellaini and rojo?
Wanted rid of Valencia? A player that he has made captain and if fit plays .
People don't rate smalling but Jose rates him more than lindelof every game .
I think people get mixed up with what they think should happen and what the manager actually does .
Sanchez pogba lukaku martial etc and a no other manager could get more out of them?
Why is it always pep this pep that? Ranier won a title with a far worse squad than this .

Conte won the league with a team that Jose had 3 points of relegation . They never bought 10 new players they got a manager that could get the best out of the players he has .
If Jose is going to be successful next season he will need to get the players he has, regardless who they are playing

Pogba and Sanchez are top players 100% but no good if there not playing well .
Make no mistake if them 2 alone where playing well this would be a better team to watch .
But it's just excuses over and over again .
Lindelof was going to sort cb out
Pogba was going to sort cm out
Sanchez was going to sort the attack out .

19 Mar 2018 10:02:54
I agree with pretty much all the things u say ken as do many others, clear out players that haven't done much the last few years, get new faces in and get the fullbacks flying forward to give us more width the thing I don't get though is u back the guy giving the players u want out new contracts, he also looks as if against anyone decent the fullbacks aren't given much liscence to bomb on unless we are behind and he selects the very players who haven't hit the heights like Fellini and smalling over his own buys. I like yr ideas ken I'm just not so sure the guy u back is the one that will implement them .

19 Mar 2018 10:03:40
Lot of teams in the league play better footy than United .
With half the resources and players we have .

19 Mar 2018 10:09:24
Nail on head pal.

19 Mar 2018 10:17:54
You confuse me jred. Yesterday you posted jose has done nowt (i think that means nothing where you come from) wrong. Doing ok. Yet you then slate him and many players at every given opportunity. I think you are a complete wind up merchant or else suffer from mutltiple personality disorder. 😂😂.

19 Mar 2018 10:20:14
Slate, i think its a means to an end at the moment. that's what i'm hoping anyway. 😂.

19 Mar 2018 10:22:22
Conte won the league with the players jose won the league with at chelsea i don't get your point.

19 Mar 2018 10:41:40
I think Jose great at deflection Ken we lose to a team badly Seville that most thought we should beat so Jose then goes into a rant implying the players he inherited aren't as good as others so blame the last guy and it's not Jose's fault, but he duznt mention about 130 millions worth sitting on the bench who weren't selected because he picked the very players he's implying were left to him who aren't good enough ahead of them . If pog and lindlehof had played would have been harder to blame previous managers signings. He picked the team then used it as an out.

19 Mar 2018 10:46:38
So slate says he doesn't think jose is the man to bring us forward i respect your opinion slate. Jred says you have hit nail on the head so agrees with you i assume (but nobody can be sure) but yesterday posted he doesn't think jose shold be fired and is 'doing ok doing nowt wrong'.
So if you agree with slate that jose is not the man to take the club forward but you still don't want him fired because he is doing ok. What is is you want jred? You agree he is not the man but don't want him fired so do you want everything to stay the same? Its an interseting viewpoint pretty unique.
Some want him fired some want him to stay and finish the job but not at all surprisingly you are singing both hymns😂😂😂😂 now that's comedy gold.

19 Mar 2018 10:35:48
I've said over and over again ed1 tried to tell you yesterday this is just Jose doing what he does.
He is doing nothing wrong other than being Jose why are people surprised?
He is doing what many people said he would before we signed him, it's why a lot didn't want him .

You confuse what you would like to see with what the manager actually does.
Slate hit the nail on the head .

Jose managed to get a team of hazard and co 3 points of relegation .
He won the league getting the same players to play well.
Conte won the league getting them players to play well.

That's what he and any manager needs to do . The rest is just excuses .

You don't rate Valencia the manager made him captain and plays him, you raved about lindelof but want rid of smalling . Jose picks smalling over lindelof
You've gone on and on about selling fellaini manager has backed him .
Want rid of rojo we just give him a new contract .

19 Mar 2018 11:07:42
I think I want pretty much all the things you'd like to see happen to happen ken they all make sense to me I don't dispute any of the things u want, I'm just not so sure Jose will do them that's all.

19 Mar 2018 11:32:04
Im hopeful slate. 👍🏼 we will know this time next year.

19 Mar 2018 12:02:34
I feel a lot of the criticism toward Pogba is fairly harsh. He was instrumental in the success we had in the early season, he came back from injury flying, picking up a MotM performance against Newcastle and played a big part in destroying Arsenal before being sent-off. It's here I believe there is an issue. Since he came back from suspension, he's not put in the same kind of performances, the red card felt severe, was more likely a booking. After that sending off, his competitive edge has lacked, almost like he is afraid to be physical, which is a big part off his game. Maybe this shows signs there are issues with his personality, and that he wasn't able to pick himself up from that, but judging the player's ability, on a part of the season, rather than the season as a whole, seems unfair (after all he's still rating our highest player over on WhoScored, and that cannot be down to his latest performances) . Without that suspension, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have continued churning out fine performances, but I feel that red card has hurt his confidence a lot and it feels as if he is questioning himself more, pulling out of challenges more, not being as aggressive or competitive.

19 Mar 2018 12:15:50
Josè has spent a lot of money and we set up against a very average Sevilla, like we were playing Barcelona under Pep at the Camp Nou defending a 2.0 lead. Truly embarrassing and the manager got it very very wrong. These are the tactics a massive underdog will play. They were the underdogs, not us. Jose has been slammed by the media and rightly so. You could tell by his lame 12 minute rant that he knows he got it wrong. Sadly this will continue under Jose, wrong manager long-term for us. But probably the best stop-gap option that was available. He's already falling out with players and we seen this at Chelsea. Imagine being Sanchez, Pogba etc and being told to defend all game. Not to push forward and protect a 0.0. I said the same when we played Liverpool last year. They were there for the taking and we were cowards playing a cowardly manager's cowardly tactics.

I'm hoping we can get our stability back and then employ the correct manager who plays the way we play. Pointless buying the likes of Sanchez when we are not letting them flourish. Such a Pity.

19 Mar 2018 12:31:53
We scrape a lot of wins. When was the last time we played even once like City and won convincingly? It's not like we don't have the talent in the team. Imagine Pep with the likes of Martial, Rashford, Sanchez etc. There are fractions within MU who know Jose is not the right man. But issue is the guy they wanted is managing our neighbours. Playing proper football.

19 Mar 2018 12:39:41
I'm not picking anyone out but over the last few days posts herrera is now a surplus player. The player that most on the site wanted as this seasons captain. I admit he hasn't been great but he also hasn't had a run of games. I always persoanally feel he's one of the players that makes himself a nuisance for the opposition. Chases everything and puts a shift in. what's changed.

19 Mar 2018 12:51:31
Again your stretching in a vain attempt to prove a silly point .
Slate hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that all the things you want aren't the things the manager (who can't do any wrong in your eyes ) Is actually doing .

19 Mar 2018 14:20:02
What are u talking about can't do any wrong in my eyes.


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