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14 Oct 2017 17:22:27
Can you imagine if we had just been beat by c palace.

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14 Oct 2017 18:12:16
Can you imagine if we played well and beat Liverpool.

{Ed025's Note - can you imagine if you tried to win?..

14 Oct 2017 18:32:25
Imagine if superpool were good enough to break down our awful awful team.

{Ed025's Note - your team were thoroughly boring deano and seeing as its supposed to be an entertainment industry they were a disgrace mate..swap special one for snoring one ..

14 Oct 2017 18:47:25
Can you imagine not being unbeaten at the start of the season in the middle of October 😆😆.

14 Oct 2017 18:48:48
I'm not defending our performance ed it was dreadful I agree but Liverpool hardly set the game on fire either.

{Ed025's Note - they bhave been poor for a while deano, which beggars the question ...why did,nt you go for it?..

14 Oct 2017 18:50:44
That was a terrible performance by us. Truly embarrassing how we set up today and it was not good enough.

Very disappointed with that display against a team that have been very poor of late.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree angel..

14 Oct 2017 19:36:08
I think everyone looked knackered, other results have shown this to be a very odd weekend.

14 Oct 2017 19:38:48
I have no answer ed I cannot really understand our performance especially 2nd half it was laughable but look at the words I'm using "laughable" yet they still didn't win and also Klopp could quite easily have sacrificed a body in midfield and bought on another attacker to put us to the sword but he didn't and the bloke never gets a word said against him.

The tit has come out saying that jose couldn't approach a game like that if he was Liverpool manager big talk for a club that have won sod all for 8 years.

14 Oct 2017 19:48:38
I agree Ed. They were there for the taking. The reason we were so disappointing isn't because Liverpool were so good it's because we never gave it a go.

{Ed025's Note - spot on mate..

14 Oct 2017 20:34:49
I maybe mistaken but we played like a time fighting to stay up. Yeah a point at Anfield isn’t too bad, but if we had actually played our we normally play, I think the result would have been different. Even LVG made sure the Liverpool games were entertaining.

{Ed025's Note - it was awful to watch mad hatter..

14 Oct 2017 16:34:47
Stuck in hospital all week, and was gutted when they told me i'd still be in all weekend, so i couldn't meet my mates to watch the game. Anyway paid the £10 to watch on hospital tv and think Jose should reimburse me. That was a poor performance with negative approach. Liverpool are poor and we should not be going to games like that so negative. Just hope it doesn't hit the confidence that we have had up to today.

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14 Oct 2017 19:36:33
I thought we did ok in the first half but the second half was truly dire.

14 Oct 2017 15:47:14
What are your thoughts about people who are United fans but haven't had the money or privilege to watch a football match?
Do they become less of a fan than the others?
And seriously I just said Benjamin Mendy you're really funny, on Twitter and now I've got people tweeting @ me with me being plastic. What's wrong with the world.

{Ed025's Note - some cant afford to go to the game rohan or live a long way away, for me it makes no difference mate, the majority of merchandise does not get sold anywhere near manchester..

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14 Oct 2017 18:23:39
Mate me and my son get to go 5/ 6 times a season and usually for birthdays anniversary and the like so the remainder of the time we watch on telly but we still love the club with all our hearts I personally don't believe you have to come from Manchester or go to every game to be considered a "proper fan" I'm grateful to every fan we have worldwide they make us the powerhouse we are.

{Ed025's Note - thats right deano...from moss side to mali..

14 Oct 2017 18:33:00
Indeed ed.

14 Oct 2017 15:31:55
Good game today lads.

I don't come here to get under anybody's skin, I'm not interested in that but I do believe we were the better team today, but I'll take the point, I look forward to the next meeting.

If we'd of had Mane today we'd of won, but same might be said about if you fellas had Pogba so no excuses, I just look at the way Liverpool played today as a positive, we did well we just couldn't put it away, which is what matters. I hope this changes for us soon.

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14 Oct 2017 15:41:36
I agree you were the better team. But your attack was just as bad as ours. Overall I think DDG and our defense come out as the top performers today.

14 Oct 2017 15:44:24
I'm a Liverpool fan, I was going to ask if they were happy with their performance because quite frankly they shouldn't be, recently they've scored for fun, not conceded and we have been the opposite, yet they still sat back, we could have been there for the taking but instead Jose stuck to what he knows. I'm here not to get under any bodies skin as you stated but surely based on both teams recent forms, Liverpool missing mane (granted you're missing pogba but their influence is not quite the same) so I wanted genuine opinions? Lukaku got no service and he's lucky he's strong because he turns like a double decker, it's only one game and maybe Jose is thinking it's a big point but I stayed last week one team will hammer the other, I think with mane fit we would have tore you up playing that, but you playing as you can (as we've seen this season) that maybe it would have been the other way. As stated not here to cause trouble but surely as Manchester United you can't be happy with today's 'performance'? I think it's more Jose not wanting to lose to Liverpool oppose to united not being capable of the win.

14 Oct 2017 15:45:27
I don't think you played well at all. Plan was to allow you all the possession and catch you on the break. You failed to take any of the chances you made, therefore it wasn't a great performance from you.

Was a pitiful performance from us though. Our plan was to park the bus and counter. The bus was average at best despite the 0.0 scoreline. Our countering was shocking.

14 Oct 2017 15:47:21
We were awful. Just awful. I couldn't watch it.

{Ed025's Note - your lucky if you never sepp..

14 Oct 2017 15:52:39
JBLP, I think with a midfield of Pogba, Matic and Fellaini, with Bailly in defence and a fit Rashford, we would have gave you a far better game. Even if you had Mane who looked very lethargic in your last game.

{Ed025's Note - even with that midfield the set up would have been the same sidney, defend defend defend, a jose trait against the bigger teams away..

14 Oct 2017 16:11:35
Never ceases to amaze me how good players get when they don't play 😂.

{Ed004's Note - I’m confused. So you don’t think Pogba, Bailly, Fellaini and Rashford weren’t big misses for united and Mane wasn’t a massive miss for Liverpool?}

14 Oct 2017 16:17:27
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If lukaku and Miki weren't playing we would of all been saying what a massive miss they where .
As it is they both had stinkers, it's always assumed any player that doesn't play would of been great.

{Ed004's Note - Maybe it’s just me but I would have had more faith in Pogba keeping the ball and improving our supply to our forwards over Herrera/Mkhitaryan same with Bailly in comparison to Smalling}

14 Oct 2017 16:22:37
I though smalling and Jones played ok .
Last season pogba ibra wig bailly all played . The result was 00 the performance even worse.

{Ed004's Note - But we have improved as a team since then}

14 Oct 2017 16:34:59
Jred, the performance last season wasn't worse at all. It was the exact same game-plan, although executed better.

14 Oct 2017 16:37:12
The whole point of parking the bus is to nullify the opposition's attack, we didn't do that, we just got lucky that they were toothless again in attack. Last season we DID nullify their attack. The game-plan was executed perfectly.

14 Oct 2017 16:05:01
Ed25 I agree with that last season we had ibra fellaini pogba bailly all fit . The result was Liverpool 0 0 man United in a performance very similar today .
Different players same performance same result.

{Ed025's Note - same manager thats why jred..

14 Oct 2017 16:09:44
Ed025, couldn't agree more, difference is we would have had composure on the ball and our attacking would have been much better. Also Fellaini, Pogba and Bailly in the box for set pieces would have been a reason to actually cross the ball into the box.

{Ed025's Note - i was disappointed with the set up sydney, i thought you might have a good go at them and give them a scare..silly me..

14 Oct 2017 17:15:51
The performance was crap I think we can all agree on that but the bottom line is a point away at anfield is always a good point.

Look at Chelsea today I think we all take stuff for granted and as poor as we were today Liverpool wasn't much better .

There fans can go on all day about the negative tactics and parking the bus and all that bollox but at the end of the day the couldn't break us down even with their super mega hyper forward line.

I think Liverpool should be more concerned with their ineptitude than ours.

{Ed025's Note - fair point deano..

14 Oct 2017 17:18:48
It was an even worse performance last season but that's what Jose does .
I can rember Chelsea coming to OT and not playing a striker . Result 00.

14 Oct 2017 17:27:01
I said the same thing Deano mate.

14 Oct 2017 18:10:21
I saw Syd totally agreed mate and jred makes a couple of great points further up one being the Chelsea result make no mistake that is a disastrous result for them this season you will just not be able to lose points like that or you will be dead in the water, the 2nd point of his about "this is what jose does" is absolutely bang on I can't believe there are so many surprised this game is only about not losing we've all the ex players saying the same that losing is the end of the world but guess what lads we didn't lose and we can go forward and improve again.

I would also be astonished if we didn't address the lb prob in January I'm not one for having a crack at our players but I'm very very disappointed by darmian .

14 Oct 2017 18:47:06
A point at Liverpool is a good point but only if you actually try and win first. City would have been happy with a point at Chelsea but kept trying for all 3 and ended up getting them.

14 Oct 2017 19:00:06
As gutted as I was at the performance I'm not getting carried away I would quite happily bet my very soul right this second that we will finish above the astonishing Liverpool this season.

{Ed025's Note - a long way to go yet deano and to be honest you have not played much yet, your soul is a very high stake mate and if i were satanic i might just have a little dabble on that..

14 Oct 2017 19:40:39
It's here for the taking ed and for the record I've seen you destroy a few on here with what can only be described as satanic banter 🤣.

{Ed025's Note - if you knew me better deano you would know i have a halo mate..

14 Oct 2017 15:13:37
I've said it already on here this season about how infuriating Mhiki is. Once again today in a real big game he was awful, there were a couple of occasions where he should have played a pass but instead dallied on the ball and lost it. He offered zero support to lukaku which is why he was so isolated.
I'm not sold on him at all, his assists at the start of the season look good but stats can be manipulated. A player with the ability he has should be doing far more. This post isn't just about his performance today, but in general I've been really disappointed with him at times this season. He's got so much more to offer and I would love to see him trying to dominate games.
Caolán.

{Ed025's Note - i prefer mata myself..

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14 Oct 2017 15:31:37
Jose has told him to start turning up in the bigger games, he didn't show up today.

14 Oct 2017 15:45:22
It's harsh to blame him, what United player turned up today? It was a case of don't score and frustrate so he did his job, i forgot martial was even on the pitch!

14 Oct 2017 15:52:02
Think Miki has done well this season but was poor today lukaku has been fantastic but was awful today.

{Ed025's Note - the set up done them both no favours jred, too negative for my liking mate..

14 Oct 2017 15:58:33
I take the point. but for me what was really painful was watching Darmian. just awful. and i'm not talking just about the throw-in.

{Ed004's Note - I really hate watching Darmian play. He offered nothing today and was shocking. Did he get forward once all game? I can’t remember the last time he overlapped one of our wingers. He isn’t even world class defensively as he was constantly beaten by whoever went at him, his passing was shocking and he looked knackered. I’ve given up waiting on Shaw. Hopefully we sign a left back in January (Rose or Tierney) or if we are waiting until the summer someone world class such as Sandro or Alaba etc. Shaw can force his way in if he’s good enough}

14 Oct 2017 15:58:50
Lukaku, Miki and Martial all struggled today, when all had the ball in the other half they were poor. But I am merely speaking about this game only. All three are good players and will improve. Bit gutted for Martial getting the nod in this particular game, hope his performance hasn't made Jose's mind up as I think Martial can become a great player, today most were bad to be fair.

14 Oct 2017 16:33:35
it is difficult to judge a player on today's performance due to the way the team was set up, however for me this is why Mhiki just falls short of being classed as a top, top level player. Sadly there are far to many times he loses the ball, miss places a pass or makes the wrong decision. at times he does something truly world class (little nutmegs/ flicks past players or scores/ assists) but his mistakes happen far to often for them to be dips in form. For me he is a very good player, not quite 'world class' and will probably be replaced by griezeman next summer (if we can buy him) .

14 Oct 2017 16:05:42
25 disappointing but not surprising.

{Ed025's Note - exactly mate..

14 Oct 2017 17:29:51
I'm not talking just about today for miki. He's reminding me so much on Nani - lots of ability but doesn't do it consistently.

14 Oct 2017 17:32:05
Prefer mata myself Ed, his decision making is much better, and his linking play is great. I think his lack of pace maybe goes against him? But I'd have him in the number 10 role.
Caolán.

14 Oct 2017 14:43:47
This is not a knee-jerk reaction. But, for all Mourinho's good side, this is what I hate the most about him.

Imagine playing the worst defence in top teams, a team that conceded 12 goals in its last 7 games and you set up so negatively, isolate your striker, use Ashley Young as a RW while you had Mata and Rashford on the bench. And when you substituted, you took off Martial instead of Young.

How negative can you get.

They were running rings around us, players like Gomez, Henderson and Moreno lookin like worldclass players. We were second to every ball, afraid to commit and gave them incentive.

I don't even want to start on the marking type the coach ordered but time after time, they were cutting through us like knife through butter. I can't count the number of times a supposedly average Liverpool player took the ball through the center, dribble 3 or 4 of our players and drive into our box.

We have De Gea to thank though on the other side of the coin, his distribution today was as poor as I've seen it in a while.

And yes, I agree we lack flair players but the few we have (. Mikhitaryan, Martial) are shackled and made to play in a risk-free and boring way.

I don't want to tap about the disaster waiting to happen aka Smalling, he just isn't United standard even for the bench. Am I the only one who noticed the whenever he wants to pass there is a certain way he turns his body towards the direction then send his right arm opposite to where he intends to pass? Every time he wants to pass I know where it is going.

The players as a whole were second to every 50-50 and not fired up for the occasion like the scousers. I don't want to blame Lukaku as Liverpool players missed many chances and also De Gea was outstanding but I think he should have flashed his shot on the left keeper's right) instead of going across the face of the post and the game Would have ended differently because Kopp would have definitely changed the setup and it would have opened up for us.

I do agree that we are not there yet in terms of personnel and also, how we want to perform in the big games and maybe, at the end of season, this game will look like a point won rather than two dropped.

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14 Oct 2017 15:08:00
Agreed, i'm very disappointed in the tactics today. Its pretty embarrassing.

If we had a good game end to end and drew then yeah fair play, but to play like we did today and draw that way feels like a loss and for me personally I feel a lot of resentment towards Jose. With all the money we spend and we are still holding onto results for draws just isn't good enough.
What happens if we get the likes of Bale or Griezeman and we expect to play this way, surely they would have a word.

{Ed025's Note - i agree mate..

14 Oct 2017 15:10:01
They created 3 good chances and one was off a rebound. We have two fit midfielders. The players were awful today, first 20 minutes we got behind Moreno 3 times and the ball into the box was awful. Liverpool might ship goals but they also have the potential to put 5 past you. I understand people want us to go and attack etc, but at anfield that would play into their hands. I'd rather a point than going and attacking and losing by 3.
Caolán.

14 Oct 2017 15:11:28
I think the scouse are a better team than people are given them credit for played city of the park until mane got a red .
All managers have good and bad points and performances like this can be seen as a negative .
On the other hand it's performances like this that have served Jose so well during a very successful career.

14 Oct 2017 15:16:48
Jred, weren't Liverpool losing 1.0 when Mane got sent off? They were holding their own for sure, but they were not playing City off the park.

It was a negative performance and if it wasn't for a wasteful Liverpool then we wouldn't have even succeeded in this game plan.

But I do agree that our attack were toothless and that gave us little chance of ever scoring, surprised Klopp didn't take advantage of that.

14 Oct 2017 15:24:36
No idea where you got that idea from Jred, played city off the park? City were winning by the time Mane got sent off.

You should play for Jose you would be a good defender for him.

14 Oct 2017 15:33:52
Tactics and result was as predictable as Norman wisdom heading towards a banana skin at the side of a swimming pool . Didn't like our approach at all but come the end of the season JM will think there's more than one way to skin a cat . I think Liverpool are a bit better than people think and without our best defender and best midfielder it's not a disastrous result it's just the way we got it I can't say I'm a fan of . Not really sure why smalling was highlighted as poor we were under pressure most of the game and didn't concede it was lack of bodies at the other end but that's not smallings doing .

14 Oct 2017 15:34:08
They where by far the better team syd up until the red card and had far more chances against city in the first half than they did against us .
If it wasn't for a wasteful Liverpool team you would of been a couple up ;)

City are a fantastic team the scouse up until the red where good against city and to be fair where good against us today .
I fancied us for a win today but the scouse are a better team some are given them credit for.

14 Oct 2017 15:49:37
Even conceding a goal we were the best team during the city game, the sending off DID change the game, denying that would suggest to me you aren't receiving enough benefits from the 'gumment' but as I've stated already based on form united should have took it to Liverpool but Jose was too hesitant, towards the end he brought on an extra defender. SAF would have gone all out, hence my respect for him and lack of it for billion pound Jose. The fans were good today (both sides) but united were boring, you can say thy succeeded in their aim but it doesn't bode well if you don't aim to attack an out of form Liverpool team. Lukaku wasn't effective, rashford should have started martial did diddly squat I think lingaard is useless but atleast that lad puts his all in. You any not agree but I'm not here to stir just provoke debate.

14 Oct 2017 15:50:10
Fzz.
What's to defend we have been fantastic this season .
Liverpool where far better than city up until the red but aguero done what lukaku never and took the one decent chance .
The scouse played well today as well so far play to them.

14 Oct 2017 15:25:20
According to Jose he was waiting for Klopp to drop to a two man midfield and then push for a counter attacking goal. But Klopp never pushed for that winner neither. But Klopp has done that all season. When he's needed goals he still sticks with a 3-man midfield. Takes attackers off and replaces them, never adds attackers to what's already on the field. That would frustrate me as a Liverpool fan.

Jose played for the draw, but we were lucky to escape with a draw. This bus today was opened up many times and if they had scored it could have been a disaster as we had no way to change the game.

14 Oct 2017 16:05:06
I agree with jred on this one to a large degree. I also fancied us to win today but when i saw the team it was obviius that there was no real attacking intent.
Liveroool are low on confidence but do have some very good players and have the best record against the top sides.
The manner of our approach was disappointing but not surprising. Its what jose has done for years.
Darmian is ponderous and negative in every respect but that's why he was picked today.
I think darmian had a negative effect on martial too as he offers no support and creates no space or time for anybody ahead of him.
Still in all a point at anfield is never the worst thing but the manner of our approach is hard to take on the back of our great start.

14 Oct 2017 16:06:27
Liverpool's attack are good, their midfield are good, their defence are dire. Goalkeeper is dire. The game went pretty much as I expected. We park the bus and let them have the possession, then counter and try and punish. Problem is our attack was p1ss poor and our bus was very lucky, Jones was comical at times. Darmian tragically poor.

So I didn't underestimate Liverpool, I am just disappointed we didn't have a good go. Set pieces were awful too, just a very poor performance and very lucky not to concede.

14 Oct 2017 17:20:17
Jones made 1 mistake the whole game.

14 Oct 2017 19:12:38
One potentially catastrophic error, another bad one. and a couple more little errors. Jones has been mostly good this season, but today was far from his best game. But he's human and I have a feeling he may have been injured.

14 Oct 2017 14:35:49
I think we gave them too much respect. Lukaku had one gud chance. Their defence should have been tested more esp in last ten minutes. Felleini or pogba might have made a difference though.

{Ed004's Note - Pogba would have made a massive difference. We couldn’t keep hold of the ball. Herrera constantly gave it away and Matic is good at holding the ball but not as good as Pogba}

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14 Oct 2017 14:45:26
Matic and Herrera were poor a team passing today. We parked the bus and played for a point. I hate to say this but Liverpool deserves 3 points today.
There keeper and defence aren’t the best. We sat back and encouraged them to attack. A point is better than a loss. I feel that we didn’t really give a true account of ourselves today. But, we’re still unbeaten.

14 Oct 2017 14:58:54
yeah, ed. I think even Fellaini would have held ball better in the midfield. Without them, central midfield was non-existent.

14 Oct 2017 14:28:24
Same old story all the hype and a none event, Liverpool better side and we showed no ambtion, we've got to be better going forward against the big teams if we want to win the prem.

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14 Oct 2017 14:22:33
Did we really expect anything different?

Take the point and move on!

{Ed025's Note - that will bring the fans back danny...not..

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14 Oct 2017 14:28:42
Bring the fans back? Did they go somewhere?!

14 Oct 2017 14:30:36
i ll take it. good point. our attack was woeful. not being able to string four passes together. no quaity on the ball. no runners from midfield. we were setup to block liverpool as our players cannot be trusted to take the game to liverpool and pin them in their third. so we had to setup this way or risk attacking them and conceding a few. I think the maanger got it right, we just did nt have the few moments we needed in the attacking third.

14 Oct 2017 14:54:07
Hey Ryans left foot! Liverpool fan in peace! Don't you think after spending 300 million in 2 windows Mourinho should have had a team which he can trust to attack a liverpool team which is vulnerable in defence. So i don't just buy your point that he had to set up that way. Especially when we lost one of our best players in Mane. Would love an honest opinion of others too!

14 Oct 2017 15:20:42
At last. Some sense being spoken. We're not as great as we think we are. And today we were missing most of our midfield. And some thought we should just go out there and blast Liverpool off the pitch.
It is exactly how I thought the match will go and the draw mourinho wanted.
We've not played any of the top teams until today. And yet some posters had us scoring 3 or 4 against Liverpool at Anfield with half our midfield missing.
I said it before and I'll say it again, we simply do not have anyone with world class quality at keeping the ball, passing the ball or opening defences. We lack width and these deficiencies will come to haunt us. Dare I say, Sanchez will make a great difference to our side but he looks City bound.

14 Oct 2017 15:30:12
You are right mate. We got Mkhitaryan and lukaku over the last two years. We should be playing better - no question, the injuries don’t help either. And I am sure if we had seen some good attacking play in the first half mou would have setup better in the second. But given how we played I side with the manager in making sure we don’t lose and then going for the win. We simply could not hold on to the ball which was terribly disappointing .

14 Oct 2017 13:28:24
I don't particularly like to post at half time as it usually comes back to bite me, Lukaku is isolated up front and Young just isn't doing enough on the RW.
We're strughling to keep the ball and often give it away far too easily. I'm hoping to see Mata and Rashford sooner rather than later.

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