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14 Aug 2019 11:36:53
What's with all the Luke Shaw bashing all of a sudden?
Being in a settled back 4 after a tough pre season I predict he'll have another good season for us.
Player of the year last year and now so many have made their minds up that he's not good enough, don't get it.

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14 Aug 2019 12:04:04
Me neither, some of these guys here are something else.

14 Aug 2019 12:38:32
Will i think shaw was much improved last season just like lindelof.
I think he should be 1st chiice lb at the moment. Squirting a new lb wad not necessary this summer as we had more urgent postings like cb rb.
Young and dalot are providing cover. I think next summer we will replace young and get someone to provide real commotion for shaw.
He is here 5 years nearly. Injured for best part of 2 and has come back ok. Not great but improving. If the improvement stalls then he will be replaced if not he won't be.
Being poy is no great achievement last year. It was beteeen him and lindelof. So our 2 best players were part of the worst defence for 30 odd years.
Everybody starts from scratch in a new season he needs to be better than last year. He can be but he has to prove that.

14 Aug 2019 13:20:46
I agree there is room for improvement and he is behind where we all expected him to be at this stage of his career, given his promising start. He's not too committed to his diet and fitness are the noises coming out of the club.

However, the criticism on here is unjustified. We won so the doom mongers need something new to complain about. They will cycle through players as the season goes on. The more we win the more obscure the subject of criticism. Like last year when Ole first arrived and we were winning every game, the big hate target was our shirt sponsor. Totally bonkers some people.

14 Aug 2019 14:03:46
I was merely pointing out that he is poor positional. Its something I've said before a few times.

I wanted Utd to sign Tierney so that they would provide competition for each other. That in turn would take both to the next level.

14 Aug 2019 14:54:59
I don't think most people are criticising him after 1 match. What i suggested and meant is looking for a cover for LB next season and a LB who can push him for his place in 1st team.

14 Aug 2019 15:39:23
Jose already working his magic from his punditry seat. I think we all know Shaw is suspect at the back and neither Rashford nor Martial are best suited tracking back. But we want our fullbacks getting forward, that's kind of the point. We just have to be adaptable when teams keep targeting that issue, we need a resolution for when that happens during the game. Not just ditch the player. All fullbacks get caught out of position, it's about limiting the amount of times it happens.

14 Aug 2019 16:00:58
Yes MH, i was wanting KT too.

14 Aug 2019 18:39:37
Just his turn it seems m. Rashford, Lingard have both had it. Won’t be long before they turn on AWB. Ignore them.

14 Aug 2019 15:39:23
Jose already working his magic from his punditry seat. I think we all know Shaw is suspect at the back and neither Rashford nor Martial are best suited tracking back. But we want our fullbacks getting forward, that's kind of the point. We just have to be adaptable when teams keep targeting that issue, we need a resolution for when that happens during the game. Not just ditch the player. All fullbacks get caught out of position, it's about limiting the amount of times it happens.

14 Aug 2019 16:00:58
Yes MH, i was wanting KT too.

14 Aug 2019 19:12:24
I think Shaw bashing is just a horrible symptom of the hardiness and persistence of MU toxics.
Glass is always half empty and the grass is always greener somewhere else.

{Ed001's Note - or it could just be that he is not actually very good? I don't get this one-eyed defence of dross players who have let your team down repeatedly but you still don't see they are not good enough.}

14 Aug 2019 19:28:06
People will soon change there tune and move on. Maguire was average a week ago .

14 Aug 2019 20:14:11
I don't thinks its neccesarily bashing but luke shaw is now the weakest member of our back 5. He most definitely needs competition as he has been known to take his foot off the pedal and over indulge.

Are young and dalot both playing out of position at left back suitable competition? probably not. It is something that will need to be adressed next summer when young presumably leaves.

In my opinion we should go for chilwell and let him and shaw battle it out for the left back spot like dalot and wan bissaka are for the right back spot. Chilwell and AWB as starters and dalot/ shaw as back up would see the full back department sorted for a long time.

14 Aug 2019 20:29:51
It's been a struggle the last few years to find a pair of shorts to fit Shaw the last couple of seasons lol, seriously though, i hope he continues on his good run of form.

14 Aug 2019 20:33:32
Probably because he's been overweight for most of his United career. The least a professional player on those wages can do is stay in shape. Rooney got pelters for it. And if you look back just a week or two ago so did Lukaku.

14 Aug 2019 20:40:14
Shaw isn't getting bashed.
I'm merely stating an area of improvement that he needs to work on. Ataxking wise he can be brilliant. I like him as a player, but I'm not sure Youbg will drive him on and take him to the next level.

14 Aug 2019 21:05:45
When shaw has a good game next week does someone else become the weakest link? How does it work .
Amazing how people need to look for a negative .
Doom and gloom for weeks we win 4.0 need to find a negative.

14 Aug 2019 21:17:42
Nothing wrong with a shout of critisism particularly constructive. Also nothing wrong with a bit of amature analysis.
Nothing wrong with seeing something different than somebody else.
Why do people get touchy.
Its said on her a lot. ' i don't get the hate for' or ' people are throwing abuse on here for x player"
Nobody really hates these players so it a hyberbole word used by some posters to over emphasise a point. Nobody abusers players on here either.
No problem debating your points but possesses don't tell others how to think.
Eric is bang on either ignite them ir put your point of view across but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

14 Aug 2019 21:49:35
Ignite them would be a bit harsh i think Eric said ignore. aaaghh samsung swipe.

14 Aug 2019 22:34:29
I'm not a massive fan of shaw. I think he is unprofessional and isn't a great LB, positional sense is all over the place. But that would be me bashing a player and I wouldn't want to do that 😊.

14 Aug 2019 23:57:38
Squirting a new lb wad?

Guess we know what attracts Ken to the game.

14 Aug 2019 23:59:33
That's not bashing angel its a commonly held view.
I agree with you.
However he was rated a lot higher than he has shown so far.
He showed enough improvement last year to suggest he can improve again this year.
He did miss 2 years so you must take that into account.
However if he does not improve or even falls back a bit into old habits then its curtains for me.
But as i said he did enough last year to suggest he can be even better this year. Having maguire will help him. He is off the naughty step for me at the moment but he doesn't have a lot of brownie points in the bank i think its fair to say.
I thought he was ok on Sunday got left isolated not his fault he cited ok In the main. One bad one but not his fault entirely. 2v1 you make a gamble.
Like martial and 1 or 2 others. The choice is their own. Work hard stay in the team o r pi## off.
There is no hiding place anymore. If they do work hard they will reap the benefits. Only the truly dumb players can't see that.

14 Aug 2019 23:37:40
Exactly ed002, shaw just isn't that good. It's the same as Lingard, massively overrated. probably because they are English.

15 Aug 2019 08:48:38
The same people will move on to someone else next week, fir some reason rarely have a positive point .
Simple fact is looking at posts some spend most there time having a go at a certain player.
With little attempt to look at the bigger picture.
There will be people who talk about nothing but the same 3 players all season ignoring anything else but looking for something to justify there previous opinion.
But each to there own.

14 Aug 2019 10:23:56
Sanchez

Well I'm hoping he sorts himself out and starts working hard, he is on to big of wages for anyone to want him after his recent drop in form.

I would not believe anything the papers are saying about him as they have run out of stories so now have turned there attention to drive him out.

I actually think Sanchez could open up the teams that are going to sit back and let us have the ball.

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14 Aug 2019 10:57:12
He's not shown anything so far to suggest he's capable of making an impact. He needs a few big performances.

14 Aug 2019 11:54:04
Cannot rule out Chinese teams coming. But if he's fit then we need to give him a run of games for sure. Unplayable when on form.

14 Aug 2019 12:01:03
Big v.
No ole wants him out. That's good enough for me. Probably will go down as the worst signing the cub ever made. The player only has himself to blame for that.

14 Aug 2019 12:44:50
Unplayable when on form, which is at no point since we signed him it seems. Not sure what has happened to him but I can't remember 1 game whee he as impressed, and he played plenty. he also seems a strange personality, something of a loner apparently.

I refer my friends to my previous answer form a while back, when he was lying prostate on the pitch our own players ignored him and simply carried on playing. Sanchez is really not the answer.

14 Aug 2019 13:15:58
Syd, I think we can rule out a Chinese club coming in for him until January at the earliest.

Their transfer window closes before the British one. So they won't be signing anyone now.

14 Aug 2019 13:19:24
The real sad thing about Sanchez is that not only has he not had a single good game for us in 18 months. He hasn't even had a good 30 minutes, or even a 10 minute spell during a game where you think "there's a player in there somewhere".

In truth, had we signed Sanchez from a South American side and he had never played in Europe we would all be saying he is never going to make it. We are only basing giving him a chance on his past performances, those performances are now over two years ago.

14 Aug 2019 13:23:10
The Chinese window opens again in November, I think that's our best hope of moving him on without it costing us too much.

Agree with others in that Sanchez has done nothing to suggest he can be a solution to anything for us. He's had plenty of chances, plenty of runs in the team, they invariably result in a new injury or form so bad that he's then dropped again.

Time to move on.

14 Aug 2019 15:32:01
Yes I think there may be a few interested if he is playing. Hence the reason I think we will be playing him.

14 Aug 2019 16:13:21
I just don't really see where he fits in. I know we're weak on the right but we expected him to play there when he signed and he didn't. I've seen people suggest him at ten. But we have lingard who suits a pressing game and Mata for bus parking teams. Also we have Gomes who needs game time, which given to him he could force Mata out of the equation.

14 Aug 2019 18:13:48
Who should he be playing I front off and why?

14 Aug 2019 15:32:01
Yes I think there may be a few interested if he is playing. Hence the reason I think we will be playing him.

14 Aug 2019 16:13:21
I just don't really see where he fits in. I know we're weak on the right but we expected him to play there when he signed and he didn't. I've seen people suggest him at ten. But we have lingard who suits a pressing game and Mata for bus parking teams. Also we have Gomes who needs game time, which given to him he could force Mata out of the equation.

14 Aug 2019 19:44:53
I see him playing in early stages Europa. Shop window tactics.

14 Aug 2019 20:04:48
It's a shame that it hasn't worked out for him at United, as he looked such a great player at Arsenal.

14 Aug 2019 21:18:01
Did he though? Or in the last few years was he more highlight real stuff? I don't think arsenal fans were too upset about him leaving?

14 Aug 2019 22:38:28
Putting him in the shop window is unlikely to help, more likely to put people off.

14 Aug 2019 09:13:24
Good morning ed001, thought i'd ask on here as opposed to the red button.
There was some good points raised about the new rule change of being able to recieve the ball from the keeper inside his area now.
Personally i think this is a good rule change. It encourages more playing out from the back. Which is what most want to see.
But it makes the high press moor difficult imo. As the press now needs to be 15 yards further forward at times and that leaves bigger gaps to play around the press.
If teams press higher but don't fully commit or someone is not pulling their weight then its easier to play around.
It was very evident in 4 or 5 games at the weekend. Watching defenders and keepers play in their own box and along the dead ball line scares the be jeezuz out of some but i think its s better spectacle for the fans.
It will be interesting to see how the high pressing teams cope with it and also how teams expose those pressing teams by having the courage and technique and confidence to play around them.
I think its a simple rule change but Monday have quite an impact on the game as a whole and a very positive impact at that.
There will be more end to end action as a result imo.
What are your thoughts mate?

{Ed001's Note - you are right, a lazy press will be more easily exposed, but there is also the chance of it turning the game back to long ball football. Any ball pinged over the top by a team with a quick striker is going to be deadly now. There is no need to be accurate as there is 50 yards of space to hit. So a team can just draw in the press and lump it. Mourinho will love it!}

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14 Aug 2019 09:36:12
That's a possibility on occasion but that's pretty easy to defend against.
There will be some cheap goals given away due to errors at the back. Thank god smalling has been put out to grass.

14 Aug 2019 13:03:39
If hitting 50 yard balls into space is the way the games going to go then we have the ideal assistant manager in Phelan. We also have the right coach in Carrick to show the team how hit that ball with a semblance of accuracy. The guy making the calls at Old Trafford is a visionary and ahead of his time!

{Ed001's Note - oh maybe you have hit on something there Oak! Suddenly Phelan and Carrick make total sense. Get Pulis and Allardyce in and you will dominate Europe.}

14 Aug 2019 13:25:19
Did anybody else notice the two Chelsea centre backs constantly stood on the 18 yard line on goal kicks like they weren't allowed in the area?

Is it case of them not understanding the rule change?

14 Aug 2019 14:27:24
I doubt that is the reason wazza. Maybe they just didn't want to play in their own box.
Zuma is like smalling in that regard i. e. totally hopeless. He doesn't want the ball anywhere near his own box unless its 7ft in the air.

14 Aug 2019 15:03:51
Wazza,

Also at one point Christensen waited for the ball to leave the area before he touched it, old habits die hard I guess, or as you say, not understood the rules yet.

14 Aug 2019 16:31:11
Ed01 did you ever the the football manager experiment with allardyce and pulis? I think it was Squawka a few years ago. They put them at Madrid and Barcelona then put it on holiday an let the season play our. Interesting to say the least.

{Ed001's Note - no mate never even heard of that, what happened?}

14 Aug 2019 15:25:45
Ken, I’m not sure what difference it would make being stood 1 yard inside the box. What I mean is they stood right on the line, as if they couldn’t step into the box.

Yes GDS2 that’s what I was thinking. It might take some players a while to adapt to the new rules.

14 Aug 2019 17:29:08
Unfortunately the link no longer works. They both won trophies. Pulis romped la liga with Barcelona an big sam took Madrid to the champions league I think.

{Ed001's Note - Allardyce did say he would win everything if he managed Madrid.}

14 Aug 2019 15:25:45
Ken, I’m not sure what difference it would make being stood 1 yard inside the box. What I mean is they stood right on the line, as if they couldn’t step into the box.

Yes GDS2 that’s what I was thinking. It might take some players a while to adapt to the new rules.

14 Aug 2019 22:55:09
Ed, me and you would win everything if we managed they fantastic Real players too lol, just hearing the names Pullis and Allerdyce brings me out in a cold sweat, their tactics would get football stopped.

{Ed001's Note - sadly both are likely to be back in the game soon!}

14 Aug 2019 23:22:56
Did you get my post on this thread ed?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate but I was in bed at the time it was late here.}

14 Aug 2019 09:01:07
Hi Syd. How's things?
Its a tough fixture.
Hostile crowd completely different style and shape to Chelsea.
They do carry a goal threat and their midfield is a strength of their side.

Good challenge to have at this time of the season. Confidence is high and i think we will go and win the game. It won't be easy.
We will be dominated in terms od possession against well over half three teams in the epl.

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14 Aug 2019 09:37:47
I'm good thanks Ken, hope you are okay? Yes I agree with all of that. We did have good spells in those games against Wolves, but didn't make the most of it. I feel we need to take our chances on Monday. I want to see Martial be more clinical in attack when he is central. He is afraid to let himself go and almost acts to casual. I'd love to see him be a bit more headless chicken sometimes. I suspect him and Rashford will switch it up again. Hopefully Pogba keeps the ball better and still plays his sweet killer passes. Hope his head doesn't go down when/ if he doesn't get his move.

14 Aug 2019 10:52:22
Im good syd thanks.
Yeah i think pog will knuckle down for the season. I had my doubts and we will only be able ro judge his reaction if we have a dodgy spell.

No point sulking it won't change the situation.

Wolves are good but have a bit of churn players wise and not settled yet. Patchy pre season and i think we have them at the right time.
That's enough positivity for one day syd we don't want to be accused of that. 😂.

14 Aug 2019 11:52:27
Yeah I'm hoping we have them at the right time too. But they will be beaming with confidence after our recent record against them.

14 Aug 2019 12:41:33
1st home game too for them so the place will be buzzing for the visit if united.
I don't care what anybody says all clubs want to beat united even more so than city and liverpool. Its all other clubs biggest match of the season with the possible exception of Everton.

14 Aug 2019 08:47:01
So what do people think about the Wolves game? We struggled against these in every game last season. Can we beat them at their place? I'd happily take a messy 2.1 win. But definitely concerned about this one.

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14 Aug 2019 08:58:51
Difficult to call still early days in the season. They failed to win their opening game but made significant additions over the summer to an already pretty decent squad. One thing we are going to need is better cohesion in midfield, they ran rings around us last szn. I am going for a messy 1-2 win for us.

14 Aug 2019 10:33:50
This is our toughie for sure. Wolves are a good side and their manager knows how to play against us.

14 Aug 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 14th August 2019

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13 Aug 2019 19:15:09
Can anyone confirm when the season squad photo is taken?

Thanks as always.

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14 Aug 2019 10:06:30
At the very moment the flash goes off I suspect.

14 Aug 2019 11:14:46
there’s a few pedicures booked in first, rojo has a pimple on his nose too, he’s holding things up, smalling is getting beads, should be good to go after that.

14 Aug 2019 13:04:50
It's been delayed to coincide with Jesse's winter range launch.

13 Aug 2019 17:35:44
Happy retirement to Manchester United transfer window legend Wesley Sneijder. Over the years at United I'll remember his many medicals and the times we were reminded he was an "Inter Ace", "Real Madrid Ace" or "Dutch Ace" who was about to jet in and complete his move. He was exactly what we needed.

In all seriousness though, cracking player.

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13 Aug 2019 18:14:02
I think the medical team was sacked when they took Sneijder to the hospital. 😁😁.

13 Aug 2019 19:44:19
Top marks for the spellIng, the running joke was the many variations of his name we saw on here.

13 Aug 2019 20:06:36
Yeah there were a fair few. We probably could have fielded an 11 of Sneyder, Schneider, Schnyder etc.

13 Aug 2019 20:38:41
And all the dodgy sightings in airports, taxis, Greggs.

14 Aug 2019 00:22:12
We finally snapped up Harry McGuire at least so the ‘transfer window drama queens’ will have to find a different one to spell wrong in Jan.

14 Aug 2019 05:02:34
Nicolas Gaitan is the at the airport and personal terms are agreed with Man United
Source: Metro.

Ask Ed1 Questions No. 5

13 Aug 2019 16:49:46
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new podcast entitled, Ask Ed1 Questions No. 5

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13 Aug 2019 18:31:23
Keep them coming Ed.

{Ed001's Note - I will mate.}

13 Aug 2019 19:06:32
Must say your all time 11 is an interesting one to say the least.
I 100% agree with your take on super euro league. Hope they scrap it.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate, glad you thought so.}

13 Aug 2019 13:21:09
ED001,

Who do you think would be a good choice at LB if Shaw doesn't sort himself out. I think this will be a make or break season for him this year.

{Ed001's Note - well Dalot could cover in the short term. Personally I think you would have been better off buying Chilwell rather than Maguire from Leicester but I doubt they will sell both so quickly. Other options would be Gaya of Valencia, Aaron Martin (who just joined Mainz and I was surprised you didn't jump in and get him to be honest). To be honest, looking at the ones around there are not a lot of outstanding options! The Norwich one impressed me on Friday night and Taylor from Burnley as well could be decent choices.}

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13 Aug 2019 15:19:07
Cheerd ED001.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}

13 Aug 2019 16:18:40
Am I missing something here? Shaw was player of the season last year. He was caught out of position a couple of times and suddenly we are talking about replacing him.

{Ed001's Note - player of the year says more about how bad the rest of your team was than how good he was if you ask me.}

13 Aug 2019 16:34:40
AJH,

I thought Shaw was poor last season. He hasn't been the same since he broke his leg.

13 Aug 2019 16:43:59
He improved a lot last year from not getting a game but of the 5 1st choice defenders we have no left footed cover at lb. When young goes we will reuptake young with a lb cover/ competition but it was not a priority given his improvement last year and the fact that dalot and young can cover this season.
The bit i don't like is young being captain got him the nod last Saturday for the bench ahead of dalot.

13 Aug 2019 17:07:36
One game in and we won, so we need to find a new negative to talk about.
Luke Shaw, it's your turn, sorry pal.

13 Aug 2019 17:20:26
Shaw is showing good form and will continue to improve.

13 Aug 2019 17:26:31
Philipp Max?

13 Aug 2019 17:44:38
I think he needs good competition for his place. If i remember correctly all previous Managers have accused him unable to compete and put in a shift. Young is pretty much on last legs so we need cover next season who can compete with Shaw and push him for his place.

13 Aug 2019 17:47:57
I agree with Ed. Tbh I was surprised shaw got player of year last year. I have always had high hopes for him but he just hasn’t developed. Can’t say he’s outstanding in any area. Not great going forward and not the greatest defensively. He was not afforded cover by rashford at times on Saturday but so I’ll give him the benefit of doubt on that point. However, we do need better from him. I’d upgrade in the summer.

13 Aug 2019 18:08:58
Dalot looks like one for the future, going to be a good player but at the moment defensively has major issues imo.
Interesting the norwich lads got a mention, attacked really well against the scouse but defensively again all over the spot .
Shaw was player of the year last year, fans and players I think. Had a lot on his hands Sunday with the set up and our left sided player not tracking backing .
Interestingly chelsea got behind bissaka just as much if not more, sky showed 3 chelsea chances at half time all in the space behind him . He played well bissaka but was caught out several times as well .
That said a lot of players where, the game really was stretched, with space all over the pitch. I really think the rule of defenders taking the ball of the keeper and some teams really trying to implement starting from the back is going to open the game up a lot .
It was a similar story for the norwich liverpool game real end to end stuff with space everywhere.
Once a team plays deep and manages to play through the high press it really opens the game up .

13 Aug 2019 19:45:28
Shaw is the opposite of flavour of the month.

13 Aug 2019 20:30:29
Good post jred.

13 Aug 2019 20:47:13
The new rule change allowing that tactic of taking the ball from the keeper inside the box encourages playing from the back and makes the high press much harder because you need to commit players even further forward to become effective which leaves acres of space in midfield if you continue to press 15 yards higher into the box. If only 1 or 2 press that high you can play around them. I know it gives AJH the willies but its making a good spectacle for the fans.
Im surprised the analysts are not making more of it.
Its a huge change to the game. I like it.

13 Aug 2019 21:54:42
I always fancied giving Daley Blind the willies.

14 Aug 2019 00:00:46
Haha AJH!

Agree with that Ken. The new rule is having a mu h bigger effect than I thought it would in the games I've seen. There have been quite a few wide open games where the press is beaten creating space in the midfield. There are bound to be goals conceded from mistakes as well.

14 Aug 2019 12:19:15
Good post jred, agree with all of that.

 


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