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18 Jun 2019 17:23:07
New Deal for Mata i am hearing. I am sure there are lots of split opinion for this. What you guys think?

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18 Jun 2019 17:37:19
We won't be able to replace everyone at one go, some needs to stay like Mata.

18 Jun 2019 17:42:08
Model professional, and a genuinely good guy. Always tries to put in a good performance. Think that he could do a job centrally if we had a stronger back four.

Most important things he brings are experience and the right attitude. In a relatively young squad whose attitude is often suspect, keeping players like Mata is crucial for saving the dressing room.

18 Jun 2019 17:43:26
Agreed. You can’t strip the whole squad and Mata is a class act with lots of Europa League games to come so an awesome squad never. Played in the right formation he’s great.

18 Jun 2019 17:44:29
Bad, really bad. But still better than Smalling, Jones signing new contracts or Sanchez's situation. wow we are really digging our own downfall here, Director of Footy needed badly, someone with a clear understanding and vision for the club. Oh well another season trophyless. A joke that's what we are now.

18 Jun 2019 17:57:45
Its good that he is signing a new contract. He is one of the good guys in the club.

18 Jun 2019 18:21:03
I just don't see the value in him as a squad member and there are positives in him staying. That said, i'm hoping we don't have to start him on the right wing very often as he is not hugely effective out there. His pace is gone but the guile and knowhow is there if played to his strengths.

18 Jun 2019 18:45:45
Yep can't wait for his blogs next season, maybe he can play some football in between, that would be nice as well.

18 Jun 2019 19:01:42
Not sure what Mata brings to be honest. Yeah he comes across like a nice guy, but how is that helping on the football pitch? Hardly influencing the younger players from what I can see, pretty ineffectual whenever he plays because he is too slow and afraid to take risks now.

My mum always smiles when making my beans on toast, doesn't mean she should be a Michelin Star Chef!

Even when he has played centrally he has been anonymous most games. He had his window at Chelsea, like Sanchez had his window at Arsenal, Schneiderlin at Saints, Fellaini at Everton - it's a long time since Mata pulled up any trees. Rather a kid take the spot and we put the huge wages to better use.

18 Jun 2019 19:24:45
We need a bit of experi3nce in the team. Look what happened when we got rid of Rio, Vidic and co and that is when we started struggling.

We need someone that's been in the club for last few years for the young ones to adapt and Mata isn't a bad influence either.

I also don't think he will be on crazy amount of wages so it makes sense to keep him while the young guns adapt to the club.

We do need some quality this summer and James isn't enough at the moment.

18 Jun 2019 19:29:30
Mata is one of if the only one that has that bit of quality in the final 3rd



He may not be a spring chicken anymore but played in his correct position he is still better than what we have.

18 Jun 2019 19:42:06
Lack of ambition.

£150k a week wasted on a player who doesn’t fit in the side.

18 Jun 2019 19:48:32
I think its a Mata of opinion.

On a serious note, loads of our more experienced players are likely or at least pushing to leave this summer. Pogba, DDG, Herrera, Sanchez, Lukaku, Darmian, Rojo and Valencia.

If Mata leaves that would leave only Grant, Romero, Young and Matic over 30.

And the over 25 category would be Smalling, Jones, Fred and Lingard.

Not much experience left in the squad, no one for the younger players to look to for guidance. Add to that the current rumour is that the club is looking toward signing players with potential more than experience then it becomes even more important we try and keep some.

Of the more experienced players you will struggle to find someone who is a better professional than Mata. It makes sense to keep him around for another year or two if we can.

And although he doesn't "rip up trees" as some of you have put it, he hardly ever let's the side down. He works hard and actually has a good record both scoring and assisting goals.

I can see plenty of up side in keeping him, the only downside is we don't get a shiny new signing to replace him this summer. Oh well, I guess we will have to content ourselves with the shiny new signings brought in to replace the likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez.

18 Jun 2019 20:24:18
I think he’s Juanderful.

18 Jun 2019 20:40:18
Would love to see him be at no.10 with 2 genuine fast wide men.

United have never utilized his genius correctly, instead admonishing him to the wing were his lack of pace is incredibly apparent. The last 3 years he has suffered because of pogba being played in and around that area.

Put pace around him and mata would be deadly IMO. Although he hasn't got those legs, his brain is much sharper than anyone else within that position.

I say sign him up and give him a proper run at no.10.

{Ed025's Note - i would sooner have boris johnson at No 10 angel....and thats saying something.. :)

18 Jun 2019 20:41:55
Playing him in the right position, which is central, would be a good start.

I don't see why we can't use him in midfield like City use Silva. Get him on the ball and play to his strengths.

{Ed025's Note - hes more bronze than silva im afraid MM..

18 Jun 2019 20:58:59
Ed025 on fire♨️♨️♨️.

{Ed025's Note - i actually like mata ken, good honest pro which is more than be said for a lot of them mate..

18 Jun 2019 23:28:09
A shambles, a nice guy I'm sure, lost pace, not good enough on the football side, give contracts to smalling, Jones, young, mata.
Leave herrera and probably ddg go,
Didn't ole say he wanted his new signings by July 1st,
Give young a new contract, he was finished 2 years ago, smalling, Jones none of them good enough, now mata,
Is ole a yes man, I know it's early but it's a shambles so far.
The last 6 years aren't going to change anytime soon.

19 Jun 2019 19:01:21
Haha love it ed. Well played!

I just think the fella has never got a fair craic. And we could do worse than put him there!

18 Jun 2019 15:04:34
Reports coming out today that Crystal Palace are refusing to budge in their £70mil valuation of AWB. If this is true I hope we walk away and pursue players with a more realistic valuation.

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18 Jun 2019 16:48:04
Reports came out yesterday that they’d accept £50m up front. Day before it was a different story.

Perhaps transfers take a bit of time to negotiate, and are mostly boring and technical. But media need clicks, so they publish flashy speculative unsupported stories to grab your attention.

18 Jun 2019 16:55:48
Would it make a difference if say it was 50m + 20m in performance based fees?

18 Jun 2019 17:07:49
Danny I posted this because Ed002 had told us about Palace's 70mil valuation but the reports coming out of 50mil etc were contradictory.

But it seems like as always Ed002 was right and the 50mil stories were perhaps someone from United or part of his representatives briefing the media in hope of concluding the deal at that price rather than expectation.

18 Jun 2019 20:42:25
I say pay up. We are still offering 2014 money in 2019.

18 Jun 2019 21:32:53
I watched the first half of England U21 game and AWB looked nothing like a £50 plus M player.

18 Jun 2019 19:56:17
Don't pay attention to it, the papers never actually know what is going on with the finances in football. Think about it, in who's interest would it be to leak that information? And if it's in their interest then how can you be sure its accurate?

Football clubs don't want it public knowledge how much they pay for a player, or how much they got paid as it will likely push up asking prices for the players they target to replace the sold player.

Agents won't want it leaked as they get paid a percentage and could do without the bad press, plus not all are doing things strictly legally and they won't want it public knowledge how much they earn.

The players won't want it leaked as it puts pressure on them.

People involved in the deal are unlikely to leak it as it could put their involvement in future deals at jeopardy.

Ergo the press won't ever have accurate figures on how much the club paid in transfer fee, in agents fees or in wages (this could be found out at a later date if the club publishes accounts, but then there are ways around that if the club wants) .

Don't worry about the money, if the club feel they can afford it and they feel he is the right player they will pay it. It's not like we have financially crazy owners who will gamble the clubs future by spending more than they can afford. They are businessmen who want to make a profit and earn themselves money.

18 Jun 2019 19:56:17
Don't pay attention to it, the papers never actually know what is going on with the finances in football. Think about it, in who's interest would it be to leak that information? And if it's in their interest then how can you be sure its accurate?

Football clubs don't want it public knowledge how much they pay for a player, or how much they got paid as it will likely push up asking prices for the players they target to replace the sold player.

Agents won't want it leaked as they get paid a percentage and could do without the bad press, plus not all are doing things strictly legally and they won't want it public knowledge how much they earn.

The players won't want it leaked as it puts pressure on them.

People involved in the deal are unlikely to leak it as it could put their involvement in future deals at jeopardy.

Ergo the press won't ever have accurate figures on how much the club paid in transfer fee, in agents fees or in wages (this could be found out at a later date if the club publishes accounts, but then there are ways around that if the club wants) .

Don't worry about the money, if the club feel they can afford it and they feel he is the right player they will pay it. It's not like we have financially crazy owners who will gamble the clubs future by spending more than they can afford. They are businessmen who want to make a profit and earn themselves money.

And Finally... Formula 1

18 Jun 2019 14:24:13
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, And Finally... Formula 1

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18 Jun 2019 13:33:07
Hi Ed002, this hasn't been a topic of discussion for a while now so I wanted to see if you know of any changes to our pursuit for a director of football?

Constantly seeing random names chucked around by the media but all seem like weird choices (Darren Fletcher, Rio Ferdinand and recently Steve Walsh who used to be the Leicester assistant? )

I guess it's safe to expect nobody to come in this summer?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - As far as I know it remains unresolved. If the club want an ex player then you need one with considerable skills and in most cases that is hard to find. Chelsea considered two ex players for theSpirting Director role and appointed Cech who will do well. MU have heeded options but are not having by any luck. Arsenal have a strange structure so everyone kicked the job in to touch and have ended up with someone well down the list.}

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18 Jun 2019 14:31:25
Cheers Ed, I really hope we make the right decision with this one. A DoF is something we've clearly lacked at the club since the Fergie days.

19 Jun 2019 06:11:25
Hi Ed002 can I ask why you think Cech will do well? After all he is just and explayer like others mentioned with no practical experience as a DoF. What makes him special?
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - He is not Director of Football and has all of the attrutes to do everything required of him well.}

18 Jun 2019 12:47:59
Reports in today's Guardian that Pogba is to be offered a wage of £500,000 per week. The Chief Exec is adamant that he will not be sold because he is commercially important to the club. Oh dear!

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18 Jun 2019 13:12:15
It is most likely the other way round, ed002 mentioned that the club were given terms by pogbas camp for a new contract.

18 Jun 2019 13:56:40
Juan Mata given a new 3 year contract? if its true then we are going backwards : ( Eds can you confirm?

18 Jun 2019 14:36:38
I don't think giving Mata a contract is a bad idea at all. He is a class act who all the younger players should look up to. Keeping him around for another couple of years sounds like a good idea. A great role model in the dressing room which is otherwise devoid of class and dedication. It's not as if he is a bad player, or that he will rapidly decline as he doesn't rely on his physicality.

18 Jun 2019 14:41:12
It’s clear really what’s happening.

Pogba wants out and has spoken publicly about it.

We have then said he’s not for sale and are starting contract talks.

We won’t give him the contract he wants we are just telling clubs he’s not for sale and the only way you will get him is by paying a lot of money.

If we come out and say we’ll if he don’t want to be here then we’ll sell him then clubs instantly come in with bids half his value.

18 Jun 2019 15:34:13
Gazza
Do you not think other clubs are aware of that?

18 Jun 2019 16:39:51
Your probably right Gazza its proven practice. Spot on i'd say.

18 Jun 2019 21:28:26
Lol some one is going to pay 20 or 30 mil extra based on a story that is in the media .
30 million for example yet someone on this site has worked out the scam, and various people from Madrid plus agents etc haven't .
Dear me.

19 Jun 2019 00:52:46
Agree Gaza

Also, few if any clubs can afford him so, if he does stay, club needs to have at least looked at though they wanted to keep him so he might actually want to play fir the club.

18 Jun 2019 10:29:56
Alexis Sanchez was brilliant against Japan and bagged a MOTM award (Goal+Assist) .
Haven't seen his name on the list of players going out, looks like he will be at the club next season.
Although i don't have much expectations from Alexis, him gaining form would be a blessing in disguise for the club.

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18 Jun 2019 10:43:10
InterMilan looks to be interested in Sanchez and Lukaku.
But again, the wage demands could scupper the move.

18 Jun 2019 11:09:25
No he wasnt, Salas and Fuenzalida were excellent, he was just average scored two goals against a very young, inexpirenced Japanese side.

18 Jun 2019 13:29:20
I thought he only scored 1?

18 Jun 2019 14:20:12
Yes you are right one goal. sorry i was confusing him with Vargas.

18 Jun 2019 14:54:17
Also at the end of the game he looked to have some sort of strapping on his ankle 🤔.

18 Jun 2019 10:25:24
Guys, you won't believe this but our very own number 7 scored a goal and got two assist for Chile. The worlds gone nuts!

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18 Jun 2019 11:13:15
Did you watch the game? i did and he was just average. Nothing to be excited about, Japanese defenders are amateur in my opinion, wouldn't be surprise to see Japan losing all 3 games for more than 3 goals.

18 Jun 2019 15:20:59
I hope he gets a couple more of average games, maybe then someone would pay for him and take him from our club.

18 Jun 2019 10:12:23
Alexis Sanchez did one of those goal things for chile in the copa america, kind of like the ones he used to do for Arsenal.

Any chance he could do some for us next season? Maybe a new role behind the striker if pogba leaves.

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18 Jun 2019 11:04:04
Let's consult the oracle. BTW He also gave an assist.

18 Jun 2019 10:00:58
Why don't we give dalot a chance at rb.
Why don't we promote Ethan laird to cover him.

Club needs a reset, sell the stars and play the youngsters until the virus is completely gone.

If we did this I wouldn't care if we finished 10th if it meant we was rebuilding the right way.

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18 Jun 2019 10:09:42
A 10th place finish would be a disaster. Please wash your mouth out.

18 Jun 2019 10:24:37
sorry Big V disagree completely. neither are ready and it would be lambs to a slaughter relying on them to get us out of this mess. AWB and dalot together would be great options. it is all well and good saying oh promote the kids but where are the experienced or seasoned leaders that set the standard at this club? that is the issue. the likes of the class of 92 came into strong dressing rooms where they knew they had to work to reach a certain level of performance. our dressing room is a joke. until we sort it out these talented youngsters will be just that. and before we know it they will be corrupted by the cancerous attitude which is rotting our club to its core.

18 Jun 2019 10:24:42
Because neither are currently good enough, and both are more likely to fail to make the grade here than a more proven player.

This insistence on playing the youngsters is getting out of hand. If they re good enough, they ll get into the squad, until they become good enough to hold a perma position, stay on as a squad player or leave.

Glad you re not in charge.

18 Jun 2019 10:45:45
Dalot will be a good backup for Shaw and AWB (if we sign him) .
He can cover both left and right fullback spots.

18 Jun 2019 11:07:58
We need to forget the obsession with proven players, we need to coach and improve our own.

This will allow us to rebuild and mould the mentality at the club.

I know the glazers wouldn't allow this but this would be the best solution, I don't care where we finish as long as club is reset.

18 Jun 2019 13:27:36
Thing is big V there has to be something there for the players to be Improved.

Some players are already past the point of improving.

18 Jun 2019 14:09:11
I am not convinced that Dalot is the answer defensively to improve our back 4. I would take Wan Bisaka over him and have Dalot as a change option in game or for certain games as a rotation. I can also see games where we may go 352 with Wan Bisaka in as right side of the 3 at the back which could allow for Dalot to provide more attacking width who can help at the back (bit like England did at world cup)

18 Jun 2019 15:39:23
I would like to see Dalot cover both RB and RW, with a new RW signed this summer.
AWB, new RW and Dalot would cover our right side for the season.

I was impressed with Dalot's attacking attitude last season. He has work to defensively, as do all youngsters.

18 Jun 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th June 2019

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