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13 Feb 2018 15:59:13
{Ed's Note - Park3lung has posted a new article entitled, Jose Mourinho is not getting the best out of the Manchester United team

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13 Feb 2018 14:53:08
Most of the points have been covered by you guys, so I'm not going to talk about that. But when the season started a lot was said about our team average height and the physicality of the players. I can't remember a single goal we've scored from corners this season (I hope they have scored atleast 1). TBH I'm always concerned when we concede a corner. We've had no proper free kick taker for years. Maybe someone like mata scores once in a season. If my life depended on someone scoring a penalty, I won't pick anyone from United.

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13 Feb 2018 15:49:19
spot on mate. I think we are ok while attacking set pieces but the service has been poor. Same can't be said about defending set pieces and crosses from open play.

Game against huddersfield we were trying to play through the middle and it was clearly not working as we were slow to create anything which gave them time to organise easily ( this has been the case with most teams ) . in the second half as soon as the first cross came in from open play by mata, lukaku scored.

Not against playing through the middle as it now suits most of our players but having a striker like lukaku upfront its shocking we aren't trying to cross more through the wings.

13 Feb 2018 11:31:47
Around 10 years ago we played in 3 cl finals in 4 years.

But stalworths like rio and vidic have been replaced by jones and smalling.

Scholes and carrick by fellaini and herrera.

Neville . / rafael / evra by the likes of young and valencia and shaw.

Ronaldo tevez rooney by martial lukaku and mata.

Anyone still unsure we have a great squad?

Standards have been dropping for years guys.

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13 Feb 2018 13:35:04

Whilst some of the players you mention have been replaced by players now deemed not up to the standard of the previous ones some of it has not been for the want of trying. Some of the players mentioned are young and have massive potential - Martial for example. Ronaldo when he left was the Ballon D'or but when he signed was a talented but promising teen the same way that Shaw and Martial are.

I fully agree that the current team is not to the same standard as the one from 2007-2009, but at that point we were one of the best teams in Europe with one of the games all time greatest managers. Its a standard the club should aspire to reach again, but the club is showing the signs of trying to get there. Bar Tevez, from the players you mention above all were given the time to grow into the Club and become great players whether promoted from the youth system or bought in.

Modern day football is blighted by short termism. Yes we are behind City at the moment and the football being played is at best good but inconsistent and at worst disinteresting, but knee jerk reactions and chopping and changing everything might not prove any better.

13 Feb 2018 13:44:53
That's just stupid.

Rio and Vidic have been replaced by Bailey and Lindihop (one excellent defender and one with a lot to prove)

Scholes and Carrick - Pogba and Matic (most expensive cm on the planet and a proven EPL winner.

Rooney Tevez Ronaldo - Sanchez Lukaku Martial (perhaps not the same league, but a potentially top class attacking trio by any standards) .

We have some top class players, but the performances aren't where they should be. However, making false equivalences to previous teams is just a bit sad.

13 Feb 2018 13:58:07

Have to agree, the first thing I saw when I read this was Herrera and Fellaini replacing Scholes and Carrick and just wondered who the 2 players were that were better than Scholes and Carrick back then as we have 2 midfielders better than Herrera and Fellaini now.

Weird comparisons to be honest Ken, I get what the narrative is but the points to back it up are way off.

13 Feb 2018 14:52:49
Sorry ken disagree with that. As Danny has stated above we haven’t got as bad a squad as everyone thinks. Granted that 08 team was one of the best this league has seen, we have some very good talent at our disposal now. But Jose is not getting enough out of them. I agree with the narrative we are not at the level we should be. But I disagree that this squad is not very good.

13 Feb 2018 14:54:44
Pogba replaced fellaini essentially but fellaini replaced scholes in the squad and herrera really replaced carrick and matic replaced herrera idnt see your point gds. jones and smsllung eere brought into replace rio and vidic yeah?
Im assuming you agree on tje full backs.
On the forwards i'm saying what's here now v then thete have been too many inbetween.
The club has seen the mistakes of bringing in fellaini and herrera to replace dcholes and carrick so bought better in pogba and matic and yes now we are 2nd so its improving.

13 Feb 2018 14:46:44
Hi becks. I agree with a lot of what you say there.
But kneejerk? This will be 5 seasons without a title challenge.
5 years of poor football.
Smalling and jones have been here for 7 seasons and as they play more often our position gets worse.

Fellaini is a great professional and gives his all but in 5 seasons his presence has not improved the team blind the same for 4 seasons darmian 3 rojo 4 there is no knee jerk reactions there.
Valencia and young are 33 its hardly a knee jerk reaction to be looking at replacements.

I would keep shaw herrera and martial but bring in top quality players for them to compete against and let the best men win.
Its a squad game and imo we have too many players that i would consider squad players or 2nd choice players starting every week or more often than not.
We also need our best centre back back fit and our big players pogba lukaku and sanchez to play at a higher level on a regular basis.
The team lacks a leader imo. A player that sets the standards and insists on those around him that they come up to those standards.
Its ok developing youth but they have got to have players ahead of them to learn from.

For example in the juve dressimg room pogba had chillini pirlo buffon and the likes to keep him straight.
Rooney and ronaldo had rio keane scholes neville etc
Winners that rooney and co all followed and wanted to win more than them.
We lack quality and winners and most importantly winning or big club mentality and experience in our squad. Matic and sanchez bring that we need a couple more.
If we want to get the best out of pogba lukaku bailly lindelof shaw jessie gomez tuanzabe, mctominay rash martial who are all under 24 and not yet mature enough to be the 'leaders of the team but have all got the potential to grow into leaders, we need to surround them with 4 or 5 more players of the level of sanhez matic ddg mata.

Not surround them with the likes of darmian blind jones smalling fellaini and rojo.
The under 24 brigade i mentioned above all 12 of them have lots of talent. Many of them cost a lot of money. But they are not yet ready to be the backbone of the team imo. They need ecperience around them top class experience.
Honestly its not all doom and gloom.
We have those 12 plus ddg romero valencia matic sanchez mata
A top cb to compliment bailly lindelof jones tuanzabe
A solid matic understudy
A top rb to replace toni
A top cm to compliment pogba
A top rw to compete with mata.
A top lb to compete with shaw.
players linked to us that i think fit the bill.
Cb varane.
Matic understudy and rb fabhino
Cm. Kroos / jorgihno/ savic
Rw bale
Lb sandro / rose / tierny
Release on free fellaini young carrick
Sell darmian blind smalling and rojo

None of that is knee jerk becks its all based on what I've seen in last 5 years mate. Just my opinion. Its not a major overhaul. The base is quite solid just think the squad needs some under pinning.
The most important thing is to sell those dragging the levels down. Get them out keep carrick as a coach but get a few proper senior pros in. I think it likely you will see less snap chat and more snap crackle pop.

13 Feb 2018 15:37:52
Park name me our good defenders.
Name me our good midfielders.
Now for me good is if you need them to play 20 plus games we still can win the league.

13 Feb 2018 15:44:51
Vidic and Evra both took a year to grow into the team, and as much as Vidic is praised, and for good reason, against some of the best teams/ players he was shown wanting. How many times did he get red carded against Liverpool? Besides which I'd rate Valencia as an improvement on Rafael, and Shaw is still re-emerging after an horrific injury and has the potential to be every bit as good as Evra.

You mention Scholes and Carrick but not Darren Fletcher? Scholes was brilliant but he was the last of his kind, a lifer who started out in the academy and stayed with the club until retirement. The other two were excellent players but it was not their brilliance or otherwise that was relevant so much as the way they fit into a team, and the heart they gave to it. Arguably Matic, Pogba and one new midfielder next year could be the equal of them. And as for the forwards, I think we might have an excellent group in Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku, and Rashford, although, as yet, they do not seem to be in sync. It's kind of understandable given the recent addition of Sanchez and the poor form of Pogba behind the forwards. So, yes, they have yet to prove themselves. Do we have a Christiano level player? No.

13 Feb 2018 16:01:08
Rio and vidic have been replaced by bailly and maybe lindelof and most likely another cb coming in summer.

Scholes and carrick have been replaced by Matic and Pogba. Its fletcher and anderson who have been replaced by herrera and fellaini.

rafael was never actually better than valencia has been only had potential to and given he never fulfilled it its a moot point.

Ronaldo is a once in a generation talent you don't find those every other season, the others you have listed can easily be replaced by the players replace by the players in our squad today.

Its funny you mention standards dropping while conspicuously failing to mention any of pogba, matic, ddg or sanchez.

13 Feb 2018 15:54:36
Attacking wise I think we are ok ken. Bailly is a good defender just struggles to keep fit. Jones and smalling are not good enough I agree. Lindelof has potential and j wouldn’t right him off yet. But I would be playing him in every game till the end of the season so that he can get used to the rigours of the league. Rojo is a decent understudy and Tuanzebe is immensely talented. We could do with one more top quality cbs. But let’s be honest how many defenders out there come close to Vidic and Rio? Those two were the best you could get and I ask you to name me 5 defenders that on their level currently in world foootball? I think you would struggle as there is a serious lack of quality. And if you could name 5, how attainable are they?

I agree we need another quality right back and a left back to compete with shaw. In midfield, Herrera matic pogba are good enough but we need two top quality additions. I would re integrate Fosu Mensah and pereira in midfield and I think they both would have made a big impact if they stayed this year.

Attack wise we are well stocked. I agree a rw would be a much needed addition so that we can utilise lukaku’s heading qualities in the box. But apart from that I would trust what we have got. Jose needs to find a solution and get the forwards working because we can keep throwing money at the forwards. It is clear that the tactics aren’t right and that’s what Jose gets the big bucks for.

13 Feb 2018 15:55:10
Bottom line is that we are miles behind the top team not just here but also abroad. We were not so behind years ago and bear in mind just how much we have spent already in the past few years. We should be much much closer to City for a start. The Utd teams of 1999 and 2008 were miles better than what we have now. For a start they were teams. Not a group of individuals who still have no recognisable consistentplaying pattern. Also those teams were full of leaders. Sorry guys but we are miles away from where we need to be. How many of this current team would be guaranteed a start in the teams of 1999 and 20008? That tells you how far we have fallen. The results this season prove it.

13 Feb 2018 17:01:53
Csm. When scholes retired we bough 1 midfielder. Fellaini. Fellaini replaced scholes in the squad. That is a fact.
Fergi bought jones and smallung as replacements for rio and vidic as per his autobiography. The fact is we have since purchaed players to replace tbose original replacements.

13 Feb 2018 17:05:06
So park you agree 5 new player's and to get rid of smalling blind fellaini darmian you would keep rojo not jones. You agree we need 2 moee full backs 2 midfielders and a rw. So what exactly do you disagree with?
You say its a good squad then go on to say 25% of it needs changing. ergo its not a good squad. Finished 4th or below 4 years on the bounce is not a good squad.

13 Feb 2018 17:10:23
Your right hedon. Anybody who argues otherwise is sadly mistaken biased or blind.

13 Feb 2018 17:53:33
Them players we are talking about from before this bunch of heartless players would have ate their way through Newcastle on sunday.

13 Feb 2018 18:36:56
Don't forget the 2011 cl final . won the league that year .
Fabio and evra fb.
Carrick and Giggs cm.
Tony park out wide.
Chicarito up top .

13 Feb 2018 18:54:55
Spot on leahy.

13 Feb 2018 19:04:57
Or the 2009 final
Park Giggs Anderson Carrick in midfield .
J oshea right back.

13 Feb 2018 19:06:35
Yep them players never lost a single game . summers never ended and you could buy 5 pints and a pickled egg for a fiver .

13 Feb 2018 19:38:20
Personally I can’t believe we replaced Best with Ralph Milne, and Charlton with Tom Cleverly, it a disgrace.

13 Feb 2018 19:57:07
No jred your right I suppose the wouldn't beat a bad Newcastle team. lol.

13 Feb 2018 20:06:26

We lost some silly games as well pal .

13 Feb 2018 20:16:46
Well done jred 2 great examples of teams that help my point teams with good experieced pros proven winners time and again, players that learned how to win and knew how to win. Not fancy names but teams with carrick giggs park o shea rooney evra rio vidic ( how many medals have that lot between them) sprinkled with young potetial players like nani anderson fabio and the likes.
But now we have young players better than anderson fabio rafeal etc here but not enough proven winners ddg matic sanchez mata toni is not enough. Pogba is not mature enogh yet.
Those teams you mentioned don't look right or fancy but they knew how to win and played under a great and succesful manager. The football was often poor at that time too. But wins and results kept coming. The legs ran out for the snr pros and tbose brought in to replace them are now snr pros at our club but they have little or no pedigree. Blind darmian rojo fellaini young smalling jones are now the longest serving snr pros at our club. Jeez not much they can pass on to the talented crop we have.
Despite his 30m price tag shaw is far from the finished article same for bailly lindelof.
Despite his 87m price tag and obvious talent pogba is also not the finished article.
Likewise lukaku martial rashford.
They all have great potential and need some good proven winners around them.

13 Feb 2018 20:19:36
Jred I was talking about Newcastle. And the other day you said the table doesn't lie. Where were Newcastle before they got 3 points off us.

13 Feb 2018 20:26:17
Lol now we need Giggs in cm 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

13 Feb 2018 20:24:30
Leahy we have been better than newcastle this season we are a better team than newcastle .
The table shows that .
Even great teams lose games .

You must get your football coupon up every week?
Ken your killing me pal on this page and the other .

13 Feb 2018 20:26:17
Lol now we need Giggs in cm 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

14 Feb 2018 14:26:47
I do agree with some parts of your OP Ken, I think the knee jerk reaction part (in my view) was with the post coinciding to a disappointing result against Newcastle.

I agree there are some players that need to pursue careers elsewhere - Smalling, Fellani (on the basis he looks unlikely to renew his contract) Zlatan, Darmian and maybe Blind, Rojo and Romero - the latter 3 more to get regular football.

I do think the squad is maybe 3/ 4 players away from being able to win the league and champions league especially when the young players like Gomes etc are considered. If in the summer the club sign a top class midfielder like a SMS, Weigel, Veratti, Jorgino to dovetail with Pogba and Matic, plus a CB and RB then think we're set.

13 Feb 2018 11:28:29
{Ed's Note - ken has posted a new article entitled, A view of the current Manchester United squad without the red tinted glasses on.

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13 Feb 2018 12:27:12
Good post kinky ken.

13 Feb 2018 12:40:56
Leahy it annoys me a little when people say tbis is a good squad. what have they achieved to warrant tje title of a good squad.
Jones here nearly 8 seasons and only played 40 games once. Only more than 20 in the league twice never over 30 in the league
Smalling the 2 seasons he made most appearances we finished 5th and 6th.
Both have league medals but mafe fewer than 16 appearances those seasons.
They are not good squad players. Nor are darmian or blind or fellaini jeez we have not finished higher than 4th since he signed he had started 2 league games this seadon and we could be 2nd. Blind only started a couple darmian too so maybe that's why the upturn in league positiin.
We have some good players but there is a bunch there dragging the rest down turning this into a poor squad. too many average joes.
Many thought adnan was next big thing. Ditto welbeck ditto cleverly ditto martial.

13 Feb 2018 12:50:35
Good article. But don't agree with Martial who i believe will be a top player and can't believe you are comparing him to Adnan, welbs or cleverly.

Thos players grew up in manchester and messed therr chances and Martial is a player from another league who had a lot going on last year.

Give him a chance and he will be fine but it might not be here with Mourinho.

13 Feb 2018 13:01:48
Singh. I respect your view. I think he has magic in his feet but rocks for brains.
He may well go on to have a great carreer but i just don't see it myself.
Things can change the penny might drop i hope it does but i can't see it being at united. Happy to be proved wrong on this one tbh.

13 Feb 2018 13:05:50
Agree with everything. good post. Martial and rashford seem to look good because of just how average our squad has been. Both definitely have huge potential and will have to step up quickly or their time will run out soon with the likes of sanchez coming in.

13 Feb 2018 13:17:18
Good posts Ken 👍👏.

13 Feb 2018 13:43:09
Totally agree Ken.

13 Feb 2018 15:13:15
Danny ehen scholes retired for the 2nd time who replaved him in the squad? Fellaini

When herrera signed who did he knock out of the sude originally? Carrick

Who were bought replace vidic and rio? . Smalling and jones. that's in fergies autobiography.

The fowrads are what's here now v then. I could have included sancez but he is only in the door.

13 Feb 2018 16:46:51
Ken, agree with most of what you say but you mention Rashford/ martial ect as potential and won nothing yet but people are speaking of city as one of potentially the prems best ever teams ( personally disagree been others as good), just watch if you put those players up for sale how much interest there would be.

13 Feb 2018 16:58:50
Smooth i would keep both rash and martial.

13 Feb 2018 17:11:53
The "without red tinted glasses" part of the title made me laugh.

13 Feb 2018 17:52:48
Sepp😁 its hard to be totally objective. We have 12 really good young players in or around the squad all 24 or younger. Most of them will be the backbone of the squad for years to come but in my opinion we need 3 or 4 more players with the quality of ddg matic sanchez to help bring on this great core group.

13 Feb 2018 18:01:58
I agree with u on a lot of that ken, as with others not the martial bit, in games where we sit bk and look to hit on the break I'd play him upfront central .
There are a few treading water now blind darmian and others . Centre back does concern me a bit despite our numbers JM can see smallings shortcomings but he sees them train everyday and it appears rates him above lindlehof which isn't a glowing endorsement for lindlehof.
Many areas could still do with improving which is pretty unbelievable considering the outlay in recent years, you make a good case for fullbacks and still a right sided attacker if Sanchez isn't to be used there.
Midfield though will surely have to be dealt with first though if Carrick, Fellini, and maybe Herrera leave, I don't get all the tfm and Pereira optimism personally but hope I'm wrong .

13 Feb 2018 20:42:54
Ken by that logic Valencia replaced Ronaldo do we include that too. Fact is you want to paint a picture and are twisting facts to suit your argument, who they were bought to replace is an argument for when they were bought not for today when they clearly aren't seen as first choice for those positions.

13 Feb 2018 21:33:53
Correct csm they were bought to replace them but were miles below the level required and have all had plenty of time and don't look like tbey can most are just squad players and as you say have been replaced in the first 11. Our stadards slipped for 3 5 or 6 years w jose won't fix it overnight. He has 6 of his own signings left excluding ibra. But it was more than 6 players needed when he got here the squad was a mess in all honesty.

13 Feb 2018 10:05:48
Please please please let it be true. I don't care if no other newspaper story is correct all year, but let it be true that smalling and jones are to be sold and Toby Alderweireld is the player to come in.

Jones and smalling have had several seasons to establish themselves as first team players and to kick on. Jones has shown glimpses of potential, but not enough and not been available to play enough. Time they moved on and made space for Mensah, tuenzebe and hopefully Alderweireld.

Ed please say it's true. Mr Woodward just offer them as a BOGOF. Arsenal fancy the octopus smalling and nice but dim jones?

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13 Feb 2018 11:22:34
Huggy i'd give them smalling jones blind rojo and darmian in exchange for alderwield.

13 Feb 2018 11:27:43
I would bite their hand off for Alderweireld. However, only chance this could happen is if spurs don’t get top 4. And I think they will so we can forget about signing him. Would be the ideal cb signing definitely the best cb in the league.

13 Feb 2018 12:20:30
Not sure if it is true, but I have read that toby only has 18months left on his contract with an option of a further 12months. More interestingly in the summer of 2019 a £25m release clause becomes active. Spurs may accept a decent offer 40-50m instead of losing him for £25m in 2019. Who knows Daniel levy will do what’s best for Spurs, but you can’t ignore the massive costs of the new stadium estimated at £1bn. They may be open to a decent offer. Bailey and Toby would be a significant improvement on smalling and jones.

13 Feb 2018 14:00:50
Yeh I saw something similar Huggy. He hasn’t signed a new contract yet so always a slim chance. He’s very good on the ball but also an organiser and strong in the air. We need a leader at the back and it’s so clear that we don’t have that and tbh Jones and smalling are a shambles together. I say go all out for Toby as he is premier league proven and a leader.

13 Feb 2018 08:23:00
Rojo, Smailling and Jones need to be sold in the Summer

Mou should add 2 CBs plus Lindelof, Bailly and Tuanzebe.

We were told the interest on Umtiti and other guy from Leipzig, either of them would be good.

Not sure if its possible or the funds would stretch that far but our defence and Midfielder need major surgery.

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13 Feb 2018 09:54:21
I agree with the defense needing a major revamp KA.
For the midfield I think we are ok except finding a Carrick replacement.
For the attack I think we have a potent front but either need the boys to be clear of their roles or they can have free play. Sometimes it’s good to have an underlying structure but during the game, it can do them good if given some freedom.

13 Feb 2018 10:09:25
Dont see what jones this season and rojo last season have done wrong for them to be sold.

Jones has been solid and dependable this season and has not been injured that often.

Rojo was very good last season till his broken leg.

People are overreacting way too much to a defeat at newcastle where we had more than enough chances to win the match.

We don't need a major revamp, just a bit more maturity (mostly aimed at lingard and pogba) and ruthlessness (mostly aimed at martial and lingard) .

13 Feb 2018 10:42:37
DSG my apologies if misunderstood.
My “revamp” is more of getting rid of the unsuited ones who really will not fit what we want. We definitely need backup so the likes of Jones and Rojo still may have a role to play. Beside we may have plenty of games and may need to give some rest to the key players. Of course some will need to play more like Shaw so that he becomes better and key to the left defense. I strongly believe that Smalling has outuse his chances and needs to be shipped out. Jones and Rojo can be on bench.
Like I said key for me is Carrick’s replacement unless people think we already have one in the current team.

Review Of The Day 13th February 2018

13 Feb 2018 07:08:06
{Ed's Note - Tris Burke has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th February 2018

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13 Feb 2018 09:59:21
In the partnership of football team, can you imagine if one of the clubs gets a partnership with a condom corporate? 🤣🤣🤣. Maybe Citeh might be interested in a sleeve logo? 🤣🤣😂.

12 Feb 2018 20:11:23
I see Leroy Sane has made an amazing and spectacular recovery 5 weeks early. as predicted by various observers here at the time of Peps amazing doctors and their 'speedy cures!

He's in the wrong career that boy. medical genius.

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12 Feb 2018 21:21:37
Wonder if Dr Cugat will get a PL winners medal.

13 Feb 2018 10:12:04
Protein shakes do work well.

12 Feb 2018 19:08:15
All season people have said we are unbalanced as a team going forward, with Martial and Rashford on the left we have a threat, but nothing on the right.

If we can balance out our front line and have threats from both sides then we would be a more complete and compelling offensive unit. Or at least that was how the logic goes.

So we sign Sanchez a player who admittedly has in recent years played excellently on the left, but has a history of playing equally at a world class level on the right.

Then we play him on the left and remain as unbalanced as before. Where is the logic in that?

People saying Martial will have to adapt on the right, if it was that simple then don't you think Mourinho might have tried that at some point between August and the end of January? Or even at some point last season. The guy has been been here for 18 months and never played Martial on the right once.

Martials trademark is darting in from the left and finishing across the goalkeeper into the far corner. Very similar to Henry back in the day.
Playing him on the right and he can't do that unless he uses his weaker left foot. So now he has to try and beat the keeper at his near post or shoot across goal with his right foot meaning the ball is naturally moving away from goal.

The only reason Mourinho is playing him there is because he wants to play Sanchez on the left and Martials form is too good to drop him.

Of course there is a way to play everyone in their favoured position. If we play 442 diamond then Sanchez plays off the strikers in his favoured role, Lukaku has a strike partnership and Martial is playing more as a striker and is still able to find space in the inside left channel to cut in from.
As a brucey bonus that would require a midfield three which might be to Pogba's benefit.

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12 Feb 2018 19:24:13
No not really, since Jose has been at the club we have played with 1 player player with dribbling and pace almost an inside forward normally the left sided player.
This has normally been Rash or Martial.

On the other side we have played with a player who comes inside plays the 10 role and also links up in midfield. Mata, Linders, Miki. That is now Sanchez role.

Martial should of and on any other day would of had at least 2 goals on Sunday.
The only big difference on Sunday was he never put the ball in the net.

12 Feb 2018 20:08:05
I agree Shappy, Jose needs to come up with a more creative solution to get the best out of the players he has in our squad.

I like the idea of a 4-4-2 diamond or 4-3-1-2. Maybe it lacks a little bit of width but Martial is great at pulling into that left channel as you've said and to be honest we don't play with much width anyway.

Martial would play higher up the pitch and be relieved of his defensive duties. He wouldn't have to track runners into full back areas where he's never looked comfortable.

Pogba could operate in a 3 man midfield and he could even provide some width at times like he did in his stand out performance at Everton playing from the left.

Sanchez could be given a free role to buzz around the pitch, linking up with Martial and Lukaku.

I think we could have been playing this system even before Sanchez arrived with either Lingard or Mata playing behind the strikers.

I'm a massive Jose fan but even I have to admit he's starting to run out of excuses. It's time to deliver.

If he can't build a successful and exciting team from the likes of De Gea, Bailly, Valencia, Pogba, Matic, Sanchez, Martial, Rashford and Lukaku then there is something seriously wrong. That's without even mentioning the likes of Mata, Herrera, Lingard, Jones, Shaw, Rojo and Lindelof. Make no mistake this is a very talented Utd squad.

Jose's signings in general have been excellent he just needs to find a way of making them all gel now.

12 Feb 2018 21:25:10
Boys if the players played with a bit of heart, a bit of passion, a bit of aggression, we would do a lot better, to handy they have it to collect a big wage and be pampered
There should be clauses in all their contracts, half the wage if injured, deduct the wage if dropped,
If they lose give a quarter of the wage to charity.
If you play at the big clubs with the big money hurt them where it hurts their pocket,
Run them in to the ground Monday morning
Too much political correctness everywhere now.

12 Feb 2018 21:53:12
12 is that you, there is a guy with a similar avatar, a similar name and he says completely the opposite. Lol
I can't believe the sense i'm reading.

12 Feb 2018 22:14:32
Lol Steve. I'm fed up with the way the modern day player is going.

12 Feb 2018 22:53:57
Leahy, it's not the 80's anymore mate. Footballers aren't working class hero's anymore, and they for the most part live in a bubble with their head up their arse.

However, that is the same for every club not just ours. I used to know Ricky Lambert and when he moved from Bristol Rovers to Southampton they tripled his wages. Both teams were in league 2 at the time, or what used to the old conference back in the day. His wages went from 7k a week to 21k PER WEEK in the forth tier of English football.

Admittedly he was the highest paid player in that league, but to think a player in the forth tier of English football was earning more in one week than the average person earns in a year just goes to show you how far off the scale football has gone.

On the day I found that out I knew the good old game was dead and with it the good old way of playing.

It's no good saying we should dock wages for bad performances or for not making the starting 11. But the truth is you just can't do that. Legally.

How well someone has played or why a manager picks a player is subjective, you can have someone's income open to such levels of change based on subjectivity. Imagine if your boss pulled you to one side and said he wasn't paying you your full wage this week because he thought you hadn't worked as hard as one of your colleagues this week in his opinion.

Plus let's say it wasn't illegal and the club did just that, how long do you think top players will want to play for us when they could just go to another team and not worry whether they'll get their full wages this week.

And ultimately I don't think it makes a huge difference, players work hard if their manager inspires them to do so, players and teams look good if the manager get his tactics right, if he plays players in their best positions, if the manager successfully gets his ideas across to his team in a way they understand and appreciate.

Look at the FA cup or the league cup, lower league teams will always try harder than their EPL counterparts. They will run harder, put more effort in and fight harder. Yet 9 times out of 10 the EPL side come out on top.

Why? Better players, better managers, better training facilities, better sports science departments, better preprations ect ect ect.

Nothing to do with working harder.

12 Feb 2018 23:45:01
Everything to do with working harder.

13 Feb 2018 04:37:08
Shappy - not saying I agree with Leahy12 but surely the point is working hard to the maximum of your ability. That's why the lower teams mostly lose, yes they work hard but they have a limit to their ability which is why they play at that level.
Jamie Vardy is a great example of working hard to the maximum of your ability, without his work rate he wouldn't be anywhere near an England international.

13 Feb 2018 08:48:52
Leahy, that's just not true.
I'm not a heart surgeon, but if I work really hard on your open heart surgery I'm sure I'll still end up killing you as I don't know what I'm doing or have the required skills.

Hard work is important, but without skill or know how it won't get you very far.

One of the biggest lies we tell our children and was probably told to us is you need to work hard to achieve your goals.

Hard work will probably improve your chances, but the fact is some dreams are impossible no matter how hard you work.

I bet every one on this site at some point wanted to be a footballer, yet how many are? Is that down to a lack of hard work? Or a lack of talent? Or just never being in the right place at the right time?

Are you saying if I work hard enough I will be able to out sprint Usain Bolt?

The hardest working people in society are the working class, yet they have the least.

So hard work isn't everything, privilege plays a part.

Natural ability plays a part.

Opportunity plays a part.

Has no one told Daley Blind he can be as good as Messi if he just works harder?

Valencia is probably our hardest working player we have, yet the guy gets abuse on this site all the time, we hear he isn't good enough, he can't cross, his defending is poor, he isn't a defender.

So is it all about hard work then?

13 Feb 2018 10:45:14
Ronaldo worked very hard at his game, stayed back after training practising his ball striking. Roy Keane worked hard only ever passed the ball ten yards but drive the team on.
How would us an bolt do in a marathon.
A bit of hard work and passion gives a team that extra bit to win. The will to win.

13 Feb 2018 11:24:42
First time this season I worry about top 4 on form we are worse than spurs and Liverpool use game against Chelsea next.

12 Feb 2018 18:14:08
If we based our players vs newcastle to a car, I believe it would be an atrocious looking vehicle. I will start from the back we have a lovely spoiler (GK) attached to a garbage truck (def), Central body of a Mitsubishi Canter (mid) and the front of a Mitsubishi Lancer SLR (Attack of M, L, S, R) with the bumper of the Garbage truck.

We have the potential to be a tvr but play like the above.

Clear out need and quicker ball players needed to accommodate Sanchez and martial etc. LUKAKU seems sluggish

Just my opinion of UTD playing at the minute.

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12 Feb 2018 19:03:17
Think yourselves lucky we are like an old alphasud. More holes in than a sieve.

12 Feb 2018 20:05:03
Lollllllll u missed the bonnett.


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