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16 Sep 2018 17:30:01
Afternoon guys,

Delighted to get the three points yesterday in a tough fixture especially after the international break.

Fellaini playing just in front of the back 4 has proved a master stroke in the last two away games. He's played so deep he's virtually been a third centre back which has enabled our full backs to play further forward and provide some natural width. It's also allowed Lingard and Sanchez to play closer to Lukaku where we've looked more dangerous and created chances. Yesterday wasn't vintage by anyone's standards but we looked solid and started well. It's encouraging to know that when we take the lead we invariably win so it's vitally important we start well and try to score first.

Whilst Fellaini has proved a formidable weapon against the more physical and direct sides I think we all know this wouldn't necessarily work against teams that like to move the ball quickly where he can be easily out manoeuvred or against teams that like to press high where he's not good enough in possession. In these games maybe a slight tweak in his position is required. He needs to play higher up the pitch where we can use his height and physicality to play over the press and in a more advanced role he can arrive in the box where he becomes a real threat and handful for opposition defenders.

I think we've seen in recent games a commitment to move the ball quicker with Lukaku playing on the shoulder and making more penetrating runs in behind, stretching the opposition rather than operating more as a target man. This has allowed more space for the likes of Lingard, Sanchez and Pogba to operate. Another feature has been our fullbacks playing higher and providing more natural width. Shaw has been a breath of fresh air and with Dalot returning to fitness maybe just maybe we may finally have the fullbacks we've craved for some time. Two young naturally gifted direct fullbacks that can provide width, pace and put quality deliveries into the box.

We still need to improve and by no means am I getting carried away. Such has been the standard set by City two early defeats probably means a title challenge is unlikely even at this early stage. It's encouraging to see however we that we may finally be settling on a preferred formation and staring 11. In recent games the team has definitely played higher, Lukaku has made more penetrating runs with Lingard and Sanchez closer in support rather than being dragged back into full back positions.

Perhaps our two most maligned players Smalling and Fellaini have provided us with the stability and balance we've craved allowing other players the platform to play and improve.

I've definitely seen in the past two games and the first half against Spurs a slight tweak to the way we play. Lukaku has definitely made more forward runs with Sanchez and Lingard playing much higher in support. Perhaps the next evolution might just come from two young full backs full-filling their potential. Maybe for the first time since Jose arrived we can safely predict the formation and perhaps 9 or even 10 of our best 11. It's now up to the likes of Bailly, Fred, Dalot, Martial and Rashford to force their way into the side. Perhaps we can be cautiously optimistic about a more exciting brand of football at the very least. Maybe the influence of Carrick and Mckenna is slowly starting to take effect.

I think we all understand building a winning team takes time and patience. Not all signings will make an impact or hit the ground running. Perhaps Jose biggest mistake has been to settle on a preferred formation or style of play. Hopefully that's about to change with the assistance of two new young coaches brining new ideas to the table.

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16 Sep 2018 20:00:18
It’s all a bit odd isn’t it? We played pretty well against Spurs and on another day would have been easy winners. What a difference that one result would have made to how we are feeling. We do seem to be coming out of our malaise and a few players are stepping up, in patches we look very good. We just need those patches to be longer.

16 Sep 2018 20:53:34
Tony, two good centre backs and another striker/ winger and this team will look completely different.

16 Sep 2018 21:24:07
1cb and a rb and rw for me AAA i'm really hoping dalot turns out to be a worldie🤞.

16 Sep 2018 22:27:17
I’m just liking that we seem to be playing with a little bit more of a clear plan going forward. Carrick and McKenna could be a blessing for Jose.

16 Sep 2018 23:34:46
Great post dlib. Agree with a lot if it.

16 Sep 2018 12:25:59
I know this might be match of the day fever or flavour of the month thinking but in january would we have been better off in terms of squad balance signing giroud instead of alexis sanchez.

Would have left two very talented young players to continue developing in their favoured position.

Also its would have given us an alternative to lukaku in terms of his presence and what giroud lacks in pace and power he makes up for in link up play and technique.

We know mourinho was in the market for a back up to lukaku and i can't think of a better fit for that role than giroud, maybe mandzukic but he seems to have a first team role at juve now.

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16 Sep 2018 14:26:05
If someone had suggested this in January then people would have lost their mind. At that moment, instead of going in for a world class pacey winger who can play across the front 3, we would have been going in for one more player to play hoof ball to. Sanchez would have joined City and would have definitely been successful under Pep. And we would all be criticizing Jose, owners and Woodward.
Now I would take Fat Anderson over Sanchez.

16 Sep 2018 17:35:29
2 talented? One of them i guess (though i have my doubts) is Rashford. Who is the other one? That cry baby?

16 Sep 2018 11:40:54
Just wondered if those who welcomed Fellaini's new contract in the summer with a heap of bile and vitriol against the man (there were a lot on here) had softened their stance somewhat given he has been MOM in our last 2 games contributing hugely in both boxes and giving our cbs much needed stability?

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16 Sep 2018 12:05:46
Didnt give him any bile and vitriol, not sure many did but credit where credit is due, he's added some much needed solidity at a time when we looked to be falling to pieces.

But i have two issues with him playing the holding midfield role, firstly i hope he doesn't take his role too literally in that in striving to help out the defenders he drops too deep and doesn't do his primary job which is mark any players on the edge of the box for a cut back, grays goal was primarily caused from fellaini being too deep and not picking the free man on the edge of the box.

Secondly what happens with fellaini when we play a team that isn't as physical as watford and burnley. Will mourinho leave him out in favour of a player much more suited to that game such as fred or pereira.

16 Sep 2018 12:27:35
We shouldn't be playing in a style where Fellaini can be MOTM. I want to see Lukaku MOTM every week after banging in three goals a game because we are set up in a way which creates that many chances for him.

16 Sep 2018 14:11:26
DSG I reckon Fellaini is the type of player who will do whatever the manager asks of him and do it to a tee as well. He just seems that type of pro.

16 Sep 2018 14:22:21
Not being funny but below are some of the replies to a post I made defending Fellaini on here. I was defending him after some posters were pretty much spitting bile and hatred towards him.

'He is everything that is wrong with our club right now, if you are supportive then we have different ideals. '

'I just don't see what he has to offer. And he held the club to ransom over his contract. I would've told him to F off a long time ago. '


'The other point is that he's a midfielder who can't pass, can't tackle fairly, can't run fast enough, can't dribble, and can't manoeuvre and turn quickly. So what is the point of having him? Just so that we can throw him up front when plan A hasn't worked? Its so pathetic and uttetly predictable. United should be aiming higher than that.
We'll see what happens but I'll be back here 10 games into the season to guage his performances and your views.
Lastly, he seems to be injured 80% of the time, which is a blessing i suppose'

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This summer should've saw the start of the final clear out. And Fellaini should've been the start. I don't care if he's a nice guy since when has that been a prerequisite of a title winning team. Keeping him on the off chance he can snatch a late goal is enough justification. And this farce is on Jose. '

'Sorry but if anyone think we should be chasing Fellaini to a new £100k pw contract I think you’ve lowered your standards and accepted mediocrity. He is a terrible footballer. Because he’s tall and can bring the ball down on his chest he’s worth a squad place and £100k a week? He’s got no quality on the ball and often gives away stupid free kicks around the box.

It just shows me where we are as a club to be honest. Did anyone see the likes of city, Chelsea, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Madrid sniffing round with his contract down'

16 Sep 2018 15:15:39
There's no denying that Fellaini played well. But you guys are making it sound like he's been a revelation or something. He's still susceptible to horrendous mistakes if the ball is at his feet and most teams play with ball on the ground. Do you guys think Chelsea, City and Liverpool will struggle badly at the likes of Watford because they don't have any players like fellaini?
We started struggling as soon as Watford stopped with the hoof ball and tried to pass around and being more direct against our team. People were complaining when Fellainis contract was extended because everyone wanted a different style of play. For the way we're playing now Fellaini is excellent but the whole point of the outrage at that time was that no one wanted to see us being a goal threat only from set pieces.

16 Sep 2018 17:25:56
One of those comments was mine and I stand by it. Renewing his contract was a mistake. His limitations as a player hold us back as seen in the second half when Watford changed tack.

16 Sep 2018 23:14:43
He is not as bad as many pple make out. Far from it He is no Messi but some of his touches and composure are of very high standard. He gets a virtually automatic place in the Belgian national team and they are a very good team. Maybe pple should cut him some slack. He always seems to try his hardest and does a job for the team. Team players like him and Nicky Butf are veery under appreciated yelt every title winning team has them.

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15 Sep 2018 20:17:54
Looked like Martial was not bothered again. The lad is just too lazy at tracking back. Two occasions i want to point out. Player runs past Martial, he let's him go and jogs. Player runs away from Lukaku, he tracks and wins the ball. THAT Tony Martial is why you are a sub.

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15 Sep 2018 20:41:21
Actually, just before that, martial received the ball wide right on a breakaway with lots of space in front of him and worried looking defenders back tracking. Martial hesitated and the attack fizzled out. Mourinho went bat sh1t crazy and if I had to guess, he will be sub for the next game again.

Judge the lad for what he does going forward. I don't want the best defensive centre forward in the world.

15 Sep 2018 21:30:08
Good win. 3 points. Not pretty but lots of good signs. Players stood up under pressure. Ddg top man.
I don't think it will be too long before we see dalot play.
Fellaini was good in both boxes today.
Young played well we might see him rb against young boys.
Sanchez still looking a little lost.

15 Sep 2018 21:59:53
I understand that as a winger your main job is to attack, create and score goals but I feel you still have a job to do defensively as well. If you lose the ball and your full back bombs on and you don't track, doesn't that create and overlap and an extra man for their attack? If you get both wingers doing that, plus a striker, which I would rather lukaku stay up top and be an outlet for us, then we are asking for trouble.

16 Sep 2018 00:37:02
That square ball he played to late to Lukaku was horrendous and if played first time could have killed the game off, instead he slowed took a touch and played it sideways to Lukaku feet and Sanchez missed.

Never been a huge martial fan, still not after today.

16 Sep 2018 00:51:44
Im worried about our keeper 😂.

16 Sep 2018 03:53:45
FZZ it was Valencia who played the square ball, not Martial.

16 Sep 2018 11:12:23
Yeh so it was terrible pass. Still same opinion on Martial.

16 Sep 2018 11:30:34
Martial was brought on when we were trying to hang on for a win. Not necessarily the ideal conditions for an attacking player to show their talent. Few bits of lost possession, but not terrible. Long term, I can’t see him staying. Could become a star elsewhere, but not here.

15 Sep 2018 20:07:25
I have asked a few times on here about what our owners aims are for our football club. We have been met only with silence.

Compare this to City's owner. Sheikh Mansour, who addressed their fans in their match programme today. I am not going to give them much air time on here, yet City's owner reflected on the past ten years and what is planned for the next ten. He communicated, connected, made the fans aware of his aims so they are all in it together on the journey. It's good leadership, it means one club connected together, yet our owners and Executive VP say nothing, do not connect all aspects of the club. The differences between City's owners and ours were highlighted today.

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15 Sep 2018 23:35:53
RedMan, not sure who didagreed with you, but that's spot on. Our owners can only connect with making money. They have no soul and no heart.

16 Sep 2018 00:25:32
City for how much they try with their millions can never be like Manchester United. It will take years of blood and sweat to be like us.

16 Sep 2018 00:38:47
Difference is simple.

1 is to make money and the other is because it’s his hobby. Crazy really.

16 Sep 2018 08:17:53
Redman, that's great for everyone who likes to hear from those involved with state sponsored slavery. I prefer not to have that kind of connection.

I'd prefer the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE (Mansour) tell me what he plans to do to abolish slavery in his country rather than his public relations plans with a football club.

16 Sep 2018 09:34:45
Great post Manc.

16 Sep 2018 12:10:11
Just so we don't lose sight of it, the initial investment in Man City and the accumulated losses since then, are maybe 1/ 2 of the value of the club in today's market and 10x what they paid for it. They continue to grow their brand internationally and they're doing a great job of it. I was in a cheese shop in Connecticut the other day and met a man from Huddersfield. What shirt was his 12 year old son wearing? Man City. Why? Because kids who are not connected to a town through birth, and can thus choose any team, tend to associate themselves with winners. Kids who watch the Spanish league don't tend to follow Getafe.

I don't think one should assume that Sheik Mansour is not motivated by the money. Far from it. This has been a well executed long term business plan facilitated by an absence of external debt allowing the focus to be on the core product, football. At the rate they're going the brand will be as valuable as United within the next 10 years.

16 Sep 2018 16:46:58
Yes, Shawthing, exactly as you say, City’s owners seem extremely smart, dynamic, with clear aims, one of which will be to grow the asset value. Their brand will also grow significantly when they win their first Champions League, which they will. They have a plan and connect the whole business as one by showing good leadership and communication. When they win their third Champions League in the next 10 years we will likely still be on 3, reminiscing on 99 or 08. Why? Because our owners do not appear to have the same aims, don’t connect with the fan base, do not communicate and do not invest in the infrastructure of the club. When City become Champions of Europe we won’t be considering alleged political situations in the UAE, which have nothing to do with football, we will be weeping about what was, what should have been and how we allowed others to take over our football mantle, how we sat back and allowed ourselves to be overtaken on the field and as a club. No one will be making political comment. City’s owners have clear direction as do Liverpool’s, so unless our owners and Executive VP CEO or whatever fancy title, get their act together and show leadership, communicate better, invest in the business, the nightmare scenario is out there, City Champs of Europe and Liverpool Champs of England, likely with regularity.

There are some who seem to think the Glazers are good yet just can’t see the bigger picture. This situation has been building for years. Can you imagine Real Madrid sitting back glorying a new financial partner as the Transfer Window was closing, whilst watching Athletico Madrid and Valencia not just finish higher in the league occasionally (which can happen) but to become more successful generally and more renowned. Matching Real Madrid should be our club level, our aim, not being partners of premier noodle brands.

What goes on on the pitch should be the focal point, a result of the whole plan. Years of letting SAF get on with it, left us weak, lacking leadership when he left, but, of course, the money kept rolling in. Too many fans just cannot see the problem, yet the problem is no longer in the rear view mirror, it has pulled alongside and threatening to overtake us. Don’t worry another partner will sign up for a few million quid to provide something irrelevant, yet there will very soon become a time when City overtake us there as well. I heard they recently took on significant staff in their commercial department, maybe the next investment noodle partners will prefer them than us. We seem stuck in a time warp, so it is relevant to ask, at what point do we become the noisy neighbour? The only way to change this, is if our owners up their game very significantly, yet we will likely not know because there is no communication. They could start communicating by putting “Football Club” back on the badge, but I won’t hold my breath.

16 Sep 2018 18:59:33
Agree with your points about the Glazers Redman. They are only interested in taking money OUT of the club. However, City have been supported by £1.5billion over the period of Abu Dhabi ownership for one reason - the extension of Abu Dhabi soft power. They have bought several football clubs and museums etc. throughout the world. However, this is an attempt to hide the disgusting, misogynistic, and barbaric regime at home.

16 Sep 2018 21:15:27
I can go along with you but only so far redman . You have a clear dislike of the glazers and I can understand why .
The problem is you credit them for 3 champions leagues you think they may win, they have won none, not made a final even . They may well win it soon but Paris backed by their own rich owners, Barcelona, real, ourselves, bayern and a host of others may have a say in the matter, our infrastructure provides local lads in the side how many are in cities, do they have a larger stadium or a bigger fan base .
Our 3 most expensive players all cost most than cities most expensive player, which to me means we could have had any 3 or 4 you want from cities team if we had spent differently . City should have a better squad they have spent more but the players they took were available to us we just chose a different route .
We are one of the world's biggest clubs but so is our wage bill and our transfer outlay, city getting recruitment better than us duznt mean we didn't try it just means they did it better.
Having owners with a dubious human rights record may sit ok with some aslong as the team is successful but it duznt sit rite with everyone .

16 Sep 2018 21:39:16
Football really isn't that important in the big scheme of things. Rather crass to suggest people are more worried about City winning a European Cup, than state-sponsored human rights abuses. They could win the next ten, and it still wouldn't compare.

15 Sep 2018 19:24:48
Well done boys. Very happy for that 3 points!

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15 Sep 2018 23:36:45
Excellent 3 points. Well done to the team.

15 Sep 2018 13:43:46
I am convinced Vorm is really Karius in disguise playing for spurs against Liverpool today.

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15 Sep 2018 14:14:08
The second goal was bizarre.

 


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