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29 Feb 2024 13:01:54
And so comes the inevitable attempt from the Tutto-clowns to unsettle a coach from a Milanese club - this time Inzaghi being the subject of an 'approach' from United.

While it's clear that this is just buncombe, it does raise a little 'what if? ' - What would happen if we did get a coach so staunchly set to the 3-5-2?

From my understanding, it's not just the senior team using the flat-back-four - I believe the U21s and U18s also stick with the 4 too.

I'm sure there are some on here who get to watch the U21s and/ or U18s. Are the respective formations more varied, interchangeable and fluid or do you see a similar rigidity to the seniors?

27 Feb 2024 20:59:56
Very interesting to see thd team for tomorrow night, it will be real battle at Forest we'll need all 11 players working hard.

27 Feb 2024 22:22:29
Based on tonight's news maguire is out so we might see big willy play.

27 Feb 2024 22:29:10
Working hard
That is one thing our players certainly don’t do
Entitled every single one of em.

28 Feb 2024 06:24:57
Blackpool, perhaps they just don’t want to work hard for the headmaster, not right I agree, but who bust a gut if there Boss is just not very good at his job!

28 Feb 2024 06:42:48
Agree Blackpool
I can take us being poor, that will eventually change I know it will, what I can’t tolerate is half arsed attitudes, players not seemingly caring as much as we do on here! I look at our most recent signings and I don’t think any of them come under that category, they all seem to have a certain edge about them but the ones in question are led by mr rashford!

28 Feb 2024 07:46:00
Jeez Strangebloke but you don't like ETH. You've made that plain so many times. We get it! Same old same old.

Agree Blackpool and Chris. It's unforgivable to not put a shift in. It isn't acceptable under any circumstances not to play for the manager as strangekid states but what about not playing for themselves, their personal pride, the team, the club/ shirt/ badge and the supporters? Their attitude irritates me so badly even were they paid peanuts but they aren't. They're paid more in a week what many supporters will not see in a lifetime. Stealing a living some of these guys.

28 Feb 2024 08:26:56
Odds on Elanga making tools of us tonite :D
Forest games this season are a bit of a lottery, certainly no problems scoring or conceding. Very hopeful of a win for us though.

28 Feb 2024 08:50:01
Spenno

Gibbs white is the player I am most worried about and we need to manage his influence on the game. Good player and will have a field day if we are open in midfield.

28 Feb 2024 11:21:22
Everyone loves a big willy.

28 Feb 2024 10:59:20
Agreed Ahmad, like Barkley he's one of a few English mids who look capable of a step up.

28 Feb 2024 11:33:31
Except the straight guy in cell 234.

28 Feb 2024 11:41:07
With all the speculation of big change coming at the club. New people in key positions, maybe a new manager. Rumours of the new ownership wanting a massive reset, many players being let go or sold, with replacements coming in.

Would it that surprising to learn that many of the players are feeling insecure and have no idea where their future lies. Will they be kept, or pushed out the door this summer.

If you were one of those players how would you feel? Do you genuinely believe that you'd be able to play at your best under those conditions.

If you do then you clearly believe you have a strong mentality, that's great. Do you believe that our current players have that same strong mentality? If not then doesn't that go some way to explaining their struggles to give their all and focus on their game.

28 Feb 2024 11:48:11
If players can't cope with uncertainty then they should not be here.
Its up to the manager to manage them
They have the certainty of their contract. Its more than most people get.
Stop making excuses for them. Its pathetic.

28 Feb 2024 11:52:48
Shappy any person in sales will tell you your only as good as your last month. Sure there are employee protection laws but if you are not selling and hitting your numbers you bloody well should feel insecure.
If a teachers students keep failing that teacher should feel insecure.
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.
Footballers are privileged to the nth degree.
Man up deliver of get sold.

28 Feb 2024 11:58:47
Shappy

I posted something along those lines before the fulham game. the media writing about 11 players being sold, the whole environment is very toxic and demoralizing if you are in a team that is struggling and dealing with multiple set backs.

This squad is not a squad of the past where you shrug off a big player being out as we had ample replacement options. some of the player must know losing fernandes, shaw, hoiland are not things to shrug off and the replacements are bang average and impacts the teams performance.

People tend to blast them for not earning their pays after a poor performance but they are under a lot of pressure and personally don't believe its a lack of effort but lack of skill set with many of them.

28 Feb 2024 13:14:48
I mean seriously, if I'm earning £300k per week then I don't feel anxious about being sold and having to move house. Wish I had that problem!

28 Feb 2024 15:06:25
That's the problem though Ken isn't it. We know these players don't have that balls for a fight. They've shown time and time again that they fold when put under pressure.

Half a dozen of them called in sick for the last home game under Rangnick because they knew they were going to get it in the neck from the crowd.

We haven't shipped these players out over the past decade as we should have. Now we have a massive squad full of mentally weak players.

Yes they need to go, no one is debating that. The problem is they can't leave for next three months and they are expected to play and perform well in those games.

28 Feb 2024 15:32:12
They have contracts shappy look at maguire if they don't want to go they won't.

28 Feb 2024 15:41:23
Give the captaincy to Martinez next season and tell Bruno he can shut up and stay, or he can play his football in Saudi Arabia. That would be a big statement and might actually make a difference.

28 Feb 2024 19:08:16
Spenno

Why do people associate wage with a lack of effort and lack anxiousness or fear of failure. Actually most people have a lot more pressure and fear of failure the higher up the ladder they go. Human nature imo, the higher the expectations the higher the pressure you feel and it does funny things to you and you only realize it years later when you look back. Some thrive on it and some just do well with it.

Not having a dig. players are not machines and everyone is different in terms of how they deal with pressure or react to it. Reality is many don't do well and its not their fault.

28 Feb 2024 19:12:33
According to strange guy these players are decent they just don’t like the manager so watch out next season when they get a manager they like they’ll be unstoppable!

28 Feb 2024 19:23:13
It makes no difference if your on hundred quid at local supermarkets or 100 grand a week as a professional footballer, it’s still a job in there eyes the same as yours is only a job to you, remember many of these players don’t even like or enjoy football, they do it because it’s a job that they have been lucky enough to be given some talent for… in any walk of life in your not happy in your environments you won’t give 100% of course you get the odd ones, like Ronaldo, Even McGuire who have personal pride but they are the minority, plus it’s 2024 the whole world over people become woke and soft, footballers are no different.
We all would give one arm (like Antony only got one leg) to play but that’s not the reality I am afraid… times have changed people have changed.

29 Feb 2024 07:07:04
I saw fight across the board in that team last night. Some had better games than others and will take the positives. Feel lousy for criticizing Bruno during the game now knowing they patched him up with whatever injury he is carrying and sent him out there because he wanted to play. warrior and my apologies Captain Bruno.

29 Feb 2024 09:47:29
That’s where I’d disagree Ahmad, my immediate thought upon hearing about Bruno is that the manager should take him out of the team. Although I am aware that we have nobody else to play there.

29 Feb 2024 09:52:34
Amazing that you saw fit to criticise Bruno but as usual gave rashford a pass and are blind to his non effort.

29 Feb 2024 11:33:53
It’ll be the same lot that couldn’t be assed on Saturday. Guaranteed.

27 Feb 2024 18:50:42
when it rains it pours. varrane and maguire out. bruno too by the looks of it.

lindelof, evans, kambala, dalot back 4.

27 Feb 2024 19:43:27
I was interested to note that Hojland was injured during “intense” training. It’s not pre season and intense is a strong word. If there are more injuries from training, why?

27 Feb 2024 19:57:34
Bruno looked injured in the late during the fulham game so did varrane. Not sure what has happened to maguire. Lindelof looked injured too when he went over the pitch on a tackle and was limping when he came off.

27 Feb 2024 21:04:29
Varane is always injured. Can’t be a surprise. He needs to move on.

27 Feb 2024 22:18:24
Lindelof would be injured as well.
Kambwala, Dalot and Evans only defenders.
Up against elanga, might as well make sense to play a natural fullback from youth than play amrabat.

27 Feb 2024 22:21:27
I would have considered kambawala at rb and Dalot at LB anyway. He has more pace than Lindelof and amrabat, so might have worked better. W really are going to be a patchwork teM at this rate. Everyone will expect us to win 5 NIL with vintage football though ?.

28 Feb 2024 05:00:09
Just think the pace and intensity of pl does not favor older guys who have history of injuries. Many teams are suffering to a degree but ours has been on a different scale given the length of time some of the players have been out and the older players seem to come back play a few and get injured. That's with no european football and a lighter schedule.

I know it will not be popular but maybe sacrifice up front and look lethargic attacking wise with adding an extra body in midfield to provide some protection to this chicken soup of back 4. ETh is stubborn though and will stick to 443 I reckon.

28 Feb 2024 06:44:25
I hope sky sports cover our injury list for 48 hours similar to what they have done for the scousers ????.

28 Feb 2024 07:30:37
Shoulda kept Weghorst, Sabitzer and Reguillon!

28 Feb 2024 07:49:00
I reckon some of them see utter carnage coming against City and that has led to 'injuries'. Too many in this squad haven't got the bottle.

28 Feb 2024 09:31:05
We’ll have a chance with 12 players Ahmed!

28 Feb 2024 11:34:44
Are you sure Patrick???.

28 Feb 2024 12:00:55
City away is a loss but all about the manner of the loss imo. tonight no easy either as we got beat there already this season.

28 Feb 2024 11:52:34
It's pretty shocking how little the media report our injuries this season. They made a massive song and dance about Liverpool having to play Chelsea with "no first choice players available".

Yet they had 3 of their first choice back four available (VvD, Konate and Robertson) . While some would argue that while not a better player TAA, Conor Bradley has arguably been their best RB this season. Certainly better at defending.

They also had Mac Alister and Endo start in midfield, who are two of their first choice midfielders.

Diaz also started who is first choice.

So it was the keeper, ST, RW and arguably the RB where they were weakened.

Yet they still had special-ists high quality players to step in and play those roles. All players signed my Klopp to play his style of play.

We've had injuries all season, often having no one who is a special-ist to play in key positions.

Unfortunately, this focus on other sides injuries while an almost complete silence from the media on ours has led many fans to underestimate how many injuries we've had.

No EPL team has had more injuries that is this season. Currently we have had more injuries this season (with 10 games to go) than any other EPL team has had in any of the past 4 seasons.

28 Feb 2024 12:34:01
On reflection not that sure Ken ?!

28 Feb 2024 13:05:14
Exactly Shappy, But wE sHouLd bE pLAyINg bEtTEr bY nOW! ?.

28 Feb 2024 13:21:59
Nothing like a bit poor old me.

28 Feb 2024 17:43:26
Shappy just curious but where are your figures from? The most up to date article I’ve seen was from jan 11th and had Utd in 6th for total days lost to injury.

28 Feb 2024 19:12:26
It's just double standards Ken. The media making out like Liverpool are in a massive crisis with just 4 first 11 players missing. Yet nothing mentioned when United had 8 or 9 of our first 11 missing.

It's just about making sure we keep things in context, because the media certainly won't.

27 Feb 2024 18:41:06
Some players wanted Sunday off after that sh1t show on Saturday. are you kidding me? If anything they should have been run into the ground! The mentality of this lot never ceases to shock and disappoint.

27 Feb 2024 19:33:19
I saw where you read that.
There was 3 articles also that sjr had identified his new manager
1 said Zidane
1 swore it was de zerbi
The 3rd was positive it was nagelsmann.
Can't believe everything you read Tim.
Like ahmad says below we are linked with onana but they're were reports of another 17 other players.
Trying to make sense of it all is pointless. Any old fool can start a rumour from his bedroom.

27 Feb 2024 20:16:49
I agree the media just loves a united story. no idea what true or what's bs. More concerned about the volume of injuries and who is actually fit to play.

28 Feb 2024 10:32:57
I think whoever SJR decides to be manager, ETH or other, this wll be kept very quiet between SJR and his relevant people and the Media will hate this and all names will be thrown out there so they can claim they called it. Same will go for new player targets.

26 Feb 2024 15:59:52
We simply do not have the sort of players with the skills to control the ball for long periods of time. Too many of our squad have a poor first touch, their passing is often inaccurate, under or over- weighted. It's hard enough to break down a team set out to defend deeply even with quality players. So, we tend to rely on the fast break, which sometimes works, but often results in the ball being given away very quickly, as was the case all too frequently against Fulham. Bruno is particularly guilty in this respect. Much was said about our loss of control against Luton, but we had plenty of chances to put that game to bed had we not been so profligate on the break. It wasn't tactics that was the issue, it was lack of cohesive attacking quality and poor decision making.

There is no doubt in my mind that the loss of Shaw and Martinez has been an enormous blow, which has had the effect of aggravating Rashford's slump. It's no coincidence that we were doing better with one or both of them in the team.

A lot of complaints about ETH's tactics, but he's not even blessed with a solid starting XI at the moment, let alone a plethora of potential impact substitutes. I'm not advocating for or against ETH. The primary goal of the new team running the football operations will be to change the structure and culture. Only then will the manager's fate will be decided and it too will depend on whether the outside world of football sees the job as no longer a poison chalice.

26 Feb 2024 16:30:42
On Saturday it was our 34th starting line up of the season, 23rd different back 4 combination, 13th different forward combination. This is why we aren’t getting any consistency and cohesion within the team.

26 Feb 2024 16:35:23
shawthing my argument, does fulham have a better squad?
Did they not have injuries?
Dis they replace their really good striker in Mitrovic?
Were we playing away?
This is not a one-off.

Why does he keep starting Rashford?
Why is our midfield always so exposed, there were instances they were more fulham guys running against us.

Why is Forson being started? Is it because he's better or is it because he wants him to sign a new contract?

26 Feb 2024 16:51:06
Yes we may be suited to transition. But why are teams consistently running through the centre of the pitch week after week.

My concern for ten hag is, I don’t think the players have downed tools. I genuinely don’t think his system that we are seeing will work even with everyone back. It didn’t against wolves or spurs at the start of the season. Or wolves away for that matter.

26 Feb 2024 18:58:49
It did work against wolves away caolin. It was only after martinez and cassemiro went off that wolves started to come back into the game. It is the same answer to everyone's questions. When we have the players fit in key positions to play with the ball and on the front foot, we do it. When we lose key players for that system (martinez, shaw, cassemiro, hoyland) we struggle. And when you add in that our two so called stars, rashford and Fernandes, are playing terrible this is causing us to struggle against strong mid table teams. Fulham and wolves are no mugs.

26 Feb 2024 19:06:30
Quite simply we don't have 11 players all suited to playing the same style of play.

10 years of our recruitment swinging this way then that, of muddled thinking and unclear direction. Of no plan or vision.

We have players like Shaw, Dalot and Martinez who have the technical skills to play out from the back. The rest of the defence can't really do that.

We have players like Maguire, Lindelof and AWB who are suited to playing a deep defence as they either lack the pace or mobility to get back into space, the tactical intelligence to defend over larger areas or are limited in technical quality to play higher up the pitch.

That's half a defence who needs to play a low block and half that are suited to playing possession football.

You then have Varane and Evans who are defensively intelligent, and can play in several different systems. But either lack the passing range or pace to excel in either a high line or possession based system.

Moving into midfield we have a similar miss mash of players. We don't have any player who you would call a deep lying playmaker. Someone who is an expert at taking the ball under pressure, dropping a shoulder and picking out a progressive pass forward.

So when we don't have Martinez and Shaw on the pitch we have literally no one in the defensive or middle thirds who can consistently progress the ball forward.

Leaving us to either lumping the ball forward and hoping a forward can get on to it. Or trying to press teams high to win the ball back already in the attacking third.

Beyond those two methods we have absolutely no way to progress the ball from back to front without Shaw and Martinez.

In the forward line we have players who are more interested in scoring than creating goals. There is also limited work rate, and a lack of tactical intelligence to effectively press the opposition high. We have Bruno charging around but not pressing as a team, Rashford not tracking back, and Antony not taking his man on and just cutting in on his left to shoot and put the fear of god into Doris sitting happily in row Z.

I know lots of people keep wanting to see Rashford and Bruno dropped.

That leaves Højlund, Garnacho, Antony, Amad, Shoretire, and Forson as the only other options. So from them who would be your front four?

Antony isn't good enough, Højlund and Amad have had injury issues and probably shouldn't play every week. The other three are all 19 or younger.

We have zero depth up front, so dropping Rashford and Bruno just isn't a viable option.

So we have a defence that will always have at least one or two players not playing in a way that plays to their strengths. Making our defence have a tendency to drop a little deeper to try and cover themselves.

We then have a forward line that is inconsistent with their work rate a s overly focused on trying to shoot rather than create. They have a tendency to play slightly higher.

With the forwards tending to stay high, and the defence dropping deep we have a massive space in midfield for our midfielders to cover. Do they play higher and support the attack and leave the defence utterly exposed, or do they drop deeper to cover the defence and leave our attack totally isolated.

All I hear and read is United fans b****ing about the team having no clear style, or way of playing. I'm yet to hear or read from a single one of them a viable solution.

How would you play, who would you pick, and what would be your tactics to get the best out of all 11 players on the pitch?

There quite simply isn't a way to get this incoherent squad of misfits and blaggers to play in a cohesive way that gets the best out of all the players on the pitch.

You will always have 3, 4 or even 5 players having to compromise and play in a way that isn't suited to their skill set.

This is exasperated when the team has extensive injuries meaning a constant chopping and changing and no way of even getting 5 players who all suit the same style of play on the pitch at the same time.

So rather than cry and whinge like a petulant child, be a man and come up with a solution.

26 Feb 2024 20:27:49
3 of our best four players are currently injured. It was no surprise that our form improved when Shaw, Martinez and Hojlund started.

Our problem is the replacements for those guys, are so poor and a total drop-off in quality.

ETH may not last after the summer. Personally, I think he's been handed a sh1t sandwich, and deserves a bit more time. Trophy last season, crap first half of this season, but unbeaten this year until the weekend.

That one result won't change my view on him, but I appreciate those higher up may well have their ideas for change, and I'll support their decision either way. And maybe he is just out of his depth. Never like to see someone lose their job, mind.

26 Feb 2024 20:01:25
But he bought or loaned quite a few of them, everyone does have injuries Liverpool won a cup with all there best players missing but still they play the way of the manager. No one got any idea of the Ten way, is it a press is it not, is it pass and move is it hit and hope is it on the break and that’s just layman’s terms nothing technical, we are a mess and you can’t seriously tell me we are looking any better then 2 years ago and that’s 400 million later.
Total shambles, it’s quite clear Ten going at end of season I have no concerns over that, I just hope all the coaches go too, because they seriously have to be questioned….

26 Feb 2024 20:40:05
I think that’s a fair assessment Shappy!

Some of us have argued for a long time that in many ways getting rid of players has been just as important as buying them. Those that don’t fit the system must be moved on and cannot be allowed to linger around the squad and block the pathway for more suitable players in the future.

If we sack EtH now the next manager will only inherit an even more unbalanced squad. At some point you have to trust the process and believe you have the right man.

I think there is evidence EtH can build an existing team. Martinez makes a huge difference, as does Shaw. If you could add a really good deep lying playmaker in addition to the likes of Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund the ingredients of a really good team are there. Squad depth is a huge issue, having the right type of players to step in and cover.

It takes take to build a squad. It’s hard to stay patient, especially after results like Saturday but panic now and the whole process starts again.

Personally I would like INEOS to build the structure first, appointing a new DoF and recruitment team. Set the philosophy and identity for the team moving forward and then make a decision about the manager.

Find a really good partner for Martinez, a deep lying play maker to progress the ball through midfield and another CF to ease the burden on Hojlund and I think we’ll see a much better team moving forward. Small steps rather than giant leaps. The caveat being keeping key players free from long term injuries.

26 Feb 2024 20:59:29
Klopp has been at liverpool for 8 years. His whole club is geared towards playing his style.

Eth has been at utd for 18 months, the whole club was geared towards playing a completely different style of football. And he's has a crazy number of injuries to boot.

You are providing examples of why sticking with a manager and building throughout the club is a good idea. Because the whole youth setup can be built to be consistent with the clubs vision.

Staring to think this fan base doesn't deserve success again. At some point you have to realise where you are and stop sticking a plaster over the wound. We aren't the middle of a total rebuild - and no, it shouldn't be better than this while we do it. Rash and Fernandes are probably playing bad because they know they won't be around much longer. The rot must go before we cN heal. Eth is not the rot.

26 Feb 2024 21:29:43
Strangeways the argument about klopp and Liverpool injuries is so delusional!
Everyone at Liverpool is there because kloppy has spent 8 years building that squad! We have injuries and replace players with Jose or ole players! Do you actually understand that? It’s not going to be pretty, or work fantastically well is it, how can it!

27 Feb 2024 06:42:20
Not quite true though is it Chris, 2 years in and zero pattern of play some awful awful buys and loans, seriously poor in game management poor team selections, not improved one single player, purchased or loaned half a squad and the football is dire, caused so many rifts rightly or wrongly its poor management, rifts need to be dealt with in an unharmful way to the process not public spats, that’s poor management that’s before we even get to some of his stupid statements.

27 Feb 2024 07:16:00
Good post Dodgy ?.

27 Feb 2024 08:26:33
ETH Atm has 4 players he bought at his disposal. Ericksen, Cas, Antony, Onana.

This 400 mill constantly talked about is nonsense. 7 of 11 week in week out are players who have been here or from the academy.

Malacia, Martinez, Hoiland, Mount all injured. 3 have hardly played this year. Martinez has played a total of 4 games, Malacia has not played since last April, Mount I think 4/ 5. Its not his team Folks. Its a mish mash of players that go back to 3 previous managers and him trying to put a line up out papering the cracks.

I will personally pass Judgment on him post this summer and if we have actually made any significant changes to this squad. Building something is not an elevator ride straight upwards and there are setbacks along the way.



Liverpool bought 4 mids last year and 4 front line players the year before. They have a lot of debt in that squad and options. All proper players and proper money spend and no funky loan deals and scrapping the bottom of the market.

27 Feb 2024 09:05:10
For me, when attaching our rest defence get sloppy, 90% of the time they are in the right position but because the defends drop off so much leaving huge amount of space behind the 2 in midfield teams exploit the issue. The midfield gets left with two decisions drop back or attack the man. For me, the defence drops off due to a lack of pace and confidence.

27 Feb 2024 09:40:13
Liverpool fan here and just wanted to jump in because there was a mention on Klopp. What DodgyBanter said is right. Klopp has been with us for 8 years. All the current players are his and the youth team is coached with his ethos and style of play. The only player left from the Rodgers' era now is Gomez and even then, he himself was still relatively new when Klopp first came in.

I would also like to add that Klopp had the ability to get rid of the players that did not fit his playstyle. In the first two years of his tenure, Klopp had already sold Benteke, Balotelli, Skrtel, Ibe, Lucas, Sakho, and Allen among all the other fringe players. So, Klopp already was able to form his own team in that time. Compare this to the players ETH who still has to deal with players LvG bought that is still at the club, much less those from Mourinho and Ole.

It remains to be seen if ETH is the man to lead you guys forward, but context is important and the hand he has been dealt with is atrocious.

27 Feb 2024 09:45:08
Rewz

Spot on. Our defenders are petrified of players getting behind them. they drop off.

27 Feb 2024 10:22:45
We can go over it again and again and again but the fact is that this is the worse brand of football since Fergie retired.
They are absolutely horrible to watch!
I always have been a fan of ETH but some of the absolute crap he's spouting at the moment is just embarrassing. How can he stand in front of a camera and keep saying we are on the right path, we are improving when clearly we are not improving. The fans are not stupid, we do watch every game Eric and the results don't lie.

27 Feb 2024 10:41:56
If we don’t have the players suited to play a certain way, then don’t play it.

27 Feb 2024 11:02:47
Caolan, we don't have the players to play ANY specific way to the standard and at the consistency needed.

Like I've said, lots of people complaining about the style of play or the tactics, but no one prepared to put their neck out and actually suggest a solution.

How would you set this squad up to play? Who would you pick in your starting 11, what would be the tactics and how does that get the best out of those 11 players, or at least mitigate their weaknesses.

Still no one can give a suggestion despite shooting down a guy for not coming up with this impossible solution.

27 Feb 2024 12:22:43
Thanks Dracred, good to have some intelligent contribution rather than the normal nonsense about style of play, too much space in midfield or "it should better than this".

The best managers are supported by their club, players are removed and new players brought in. Many managers need time to make the changes required. And it often doesn't look good while that process is underway.

27 Feb 2024 12:36:20
Shappy
You could put forward 10 solutions but they are all irrelevant.
It's up to the coach to sort it out.
You can watch 10 movies and decide they are all no good but are you going to start suggesting to the director/ producer how to make a movie? I'd say no because you don't know how to direct a movie no more than you know how to manage or set up a professional football team. No more than any of us do.
We can only comment on what we see not how to do it imo.
Eth has to find solutions. Same way as every other manager that has problems.
No doubt he is doing his best under difficult circumstances.
I question whether his best will be good enough under any circumstances.
I've seen no evidence that he could.
For me it's not a question of 'is eth the problem' I don't think anybody believes he is the sole problem. I think the question is if eth is the solution even under a better set up. I don't think he will be our solution under any set up. I come to that conclusion based on a lot of his personality traits that I've seen over the last 2 years.
But let's wait and see there maybe a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that is not evident to me. But the experts will soon make their call based on seeing things at close quarters.

27 Feb 2024 13:26:33
Dodgy
Should moyes have been sacked?
Should lvg have been sacked?
Should ole have been sacked?
Should ole have been sacked?
Should Potter have been sacked
Should Hodgesdon have been sacked for Klopp?
Should Atkinson have been sacked for fergie?
Should pelligrini been sacked for pep?
Should touchel be sacked by bayern?
On and on the list goes.

27 Feb 2024 13:29:52
If we don't have players to control the ball for long periods of time. First off they shouldn't be pro footballers and secondly they shouldn't be playing for Manchester United.

27 Feb 2024 13:31:27
Tumble/ Ken, if your opinion is always going to be that all other opinions are irrelevant as it's not up to us, then I suppose there's no point in any forum in the world existing? Shall we all go home?

27 Feb 2024 13:45:26
Shappy, that’s rubbish that players can’t play any style.

The man is paid millions of pounds a year. He’s brought in a load of players. Last year was 10x better than this. We all said if we had a centre forward to finish the missed chances we could be going somewhere.

Why the major shift? Look at carragher’s analysis of the gaps in the team. The confusion in instruction from kick off.

We had one of the best defensive records this season and have now conceded half the shots city have all season in our last 5 games. I like Ten Hag, but this is utter dross and he does not deserve to be in the job next season, and I’d say if we didn’t have the off field things going on, he’d have been sacked pre Christmas.

27 Feb 2024 14:13:18
Tumbleweed, you are just being impatient. But you are not listening or open to what anyone says. You have made up your mind.

Just some food for thought:
Ten hag has our highest ever win ratio for a manager. HIGHEST EVER.

Last year in his first season he finished 3rd and won a trophy.

This season he has has terrible injury crises throughout the whole season, the club has been up for sale with the CEO sacked, his two star players have terrible form, one player went on strike, two players have been in the news for domestic abuse allegations, he has changed his GK (who has taken some time to settle) he has a new captain, financial fair play has dictated that we cannot bring in any players we need desperately to cover positions. His back up striker has decided that rather than be sold, he will have an operation and run down his contract now - meaning we can't afford cover for Hoyland. Added to all that, the media clearly have an agenda against him and some toxic fans have already decided after less than two years that they want to bring in someone else.

We will not get any better until we take some time to sort this out. It takes patience, perseverance and backing of the manager.

Media and fans are blowing up about sacking him. But we are one of the form teams in the EPL (4 wins from last 5). In the last game, we had Lindelof at LB and cassemiro went off injured, yet if mcguire scores that header we probably win. Crazy game, ain't it!

27 Feb 2024 14:37:57
Yeah yeah db you said all that about ole too.
Your right I've made my own mine up on eth.
Let's see what the experts do in the summer.
There is no reason you need to listen to me nor I you. I have my pinyin you have yours. Neither are important to the club. K etc see what the folk that are experts do next. Then you have a go at them if you don't agree. What I think has no importance. Make your points and I'll make mine.
Spenno
All opinions on here are irrelevant to the decision makers. Do you dispute that? Paying inflated relevance or importance to our opinions is daft as they are totally irrelevant to the people who make the decisions.

27 Feb 2024 14:46:56
I'm not disputing those things at all Tumble. But it's fun (or at least meant to be! ) debating them, so why not?

27 Feb 2024 15:10:52
Spenno exactly no issue discussing them but our opinions are totally irrelevant to those that make decisions. But you seem to have an issue with me saying that.
Let's face it you know just about as much on doing open heart surgery or directing a movie as you do about running a football team.
It's fun to discuss but I wouldn't pay any attention to a bunch of folk talking about solutions to a problem they have no idea how to fix.
I asked yesterday what we think the new Co owner will do not what you want to happen. Because its really the only thing that matters.

27 Feb 2024 15:58:02
I read that the new minority shareholder made some comments about errors, basically errors happen but keep making the same error or making it more than once is unacceptable. Has ETH repeated errors? Has he continued with tactics that leave us wide open? Has he played Rashford, Antony beyond reason when it was clearly an error? If buying Antony was an error, does the new minority shareholder see Onana, Mount as errors?

Dracred commented about Klopp and his first two years. Could Liverpool fans see what he was trying to do? Was the future pattern clear? It’s a key question, because when I see United passing the ball slowly around aimlessly at the back with Onana slowing it down, our style not defined, press, drop uncoordinated after 2 years, I wonder what our future is, a pattern just isn’t clear and it should be. ETH should sell the vision, Liverpool knew what Klopp would do, we haven’t a clue where we are going.

We are allowed to debate the future of ETH, personally I think he is toast now. That was a watershed at the weekend and Champions League football is now going to be tough. Spending £1.2Bn putting top end directors in says the aim is high. Is ETH that high end manager? I don’t think he is and to start a new era I strongly suspect there will be a change. ETH may be here until summer but I expect discussions on his successor have already taken place.

The who will be interesting, it needs some tough action but a lot should fall on the DOF. I would still look at Simeone because he will not stand for nonsense. I like De Zerbi and heard many positives about Amorim. Ultimately it’s time we had a head coach not an all powerful manager, with a defined style of football that if isn’t delivered results in a change without the acrimony and demand for every manager to be given 5 years, when it isn’t clear they can deliver.

The new minority shareholder will do things differently and that is very likely to be good news.

27 Feb 2024 16:12:20
Our new co owner and major shareholder sjr and his team will decide the fate of eth.
Nobody on here knows, we are all entitled to air our views. None of our views will be relevant to their decision.
Eth is not the major problem but that's not to say he can deliver even if the problems around him are solved.
Ajh said they did due diligence on him but let's face it due diligence and an extensive interview process is no good if the decision makers are not subject matter experts. I think we all agree that our previous management are not subject matter experts.

27 Feb 2024 17:14:50
Understand that tumble, I just don't like the pile on that is happening. We lost a game after winning 4. Newcastle and chelsea are performing worse, yet they get a free pass. Where is all the media attention on them? This in turn makes this page light up with ten hag out debates. I enjoy the debate of it, and totally agree about club experts deciding. One of my concerns is that those club experts are not in place yet. So I partly want to wait until they are. Fully in board with top down alignment of the full club, it is the only way will get back to where we need to.

27 Feb 2024 17:19:12
Our views may or may not make any difference to the minority shareholder but it’s a banter and discussion website, that’s its purpose so no one should feel they can’t have an opinion.
Due diligence on ETH was done by the previous failed regime, so is unlikely to be as thorough as it should have been.
The minority shareholder is looking to make changes, I suspect he will want a manager that plays football in a style he expects. Slow Dutch possession doesn’t seem likely to be it so unless there is a meeting of minds on that, ETH is likely to be in trouble.

27 Feb 2024 17:52:24
Db your view laid out above is that anybody that wants a change of manager is toxic.
I hope you don't think that about our new co owner and major shareholder and ceo and dof if they think that's the way forward.
But you won't you'll change your tune and back pedal just as you did when ole was fired.
If its a case of them wanting to keep eth I will have to do the same. I've no issue with that I've been wrong before just like your good self.

27 Feb 2024 18:42:31
No tumble, but our new leadership team is not in place, so who is making that decision?

I backed Ole far longer than everyone on here. I have not backtracked on that. I backed him, because I knew that if ut failed with him it meant that we were entering into a complete squad rebuild and that this would take years.

For some reason others don't seem to have come to terms with that, and think we should be a solid top 4 team even when we need to rip the guts out of it.

As everyone keeps saying. We will see what comes.

27 Feb 2024 19:13:48
The new team. Will make the decision DB when the time is right.
If you regard them as toxic if they make the decision to remove him then its going to be a long hard few years for you???.

26 Feb 2024 11:27:24
Question directed at ajh
You say below the manager is not the issue.
I'd say the manager is very much pay if the issue.
Do you think in 2 years his coaching has improved any of our players?
So you see any patterns or evidence of any team identity/ style of play?
Klopp played kids yesterday that have hardly ever played before but it was totally evident it was a klopp team.
Same can be said for an arteta team or pep team or simione team.
The only thing you can identify an eth team by is that your are guaranteed to give up loads of chances like we do like ajax did with a vacant midfield devoid of players that like to tackle.

26 Feb 2024 12:10:20
AJH, you’re the first to tell people to stop banging on about the same thing repeatedly, most recently to Recon over the weekend.

Now is your time to say the same thing to Ken.

Ken, how about a change of topic? There are only so many ways you can word the same thing.

26 Feb 2024 12:27:55
Klopp 9 years, 8th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 5th, TBC

Arteta 5 years, 8th, 8th, 5th, 2nd, 3rd, TBC

Simione 13 years, 5th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 4th, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, TBC

I think it's clear time is key but the first 2 season finishes are also key in this. You also have to look at player personnel, Martinez, Antony, Hojlund, Malacia, Eriksen, Mount, Evans, Casemiro and Onana are his only contracted signed players.

Martinez and Hojlund successful
Onana and Mount jury out currently
Malacia was for cover
Eriksen and Evans free transfers to bulk out squad
Casemiro not ETH's first choice
Antony, not looking great.

But in Klopps first 4 windows he brought 14 players including Mane, Wijnaldum, Matip Van Dijk, Robertson and Salah, all who became and were starting 11 players. Half the team.

Arteta signed 16 players in his first 4 windows including Gabriel, Partey, Odegard, White and Ramsdale.

Guardiola signed 20 players in his first 4 windows including Gundogan, Sane, Stones, Silva, Ederson, Walker, Laporte, Jesus.

I personally just think it is to early to make a call, especially when at the end of last season ETH looked like a great appointment but we are still judging off of players that everyone continually says are not good enough and the our best player who changes the team when he's in and the style we play is a ETH signing, Martinez. 1 more season under the new leadership then make a decision IMO.

26 Feb 2024 13:02:02
Wazza how many ways can you tell us Bruno is world class?
The question was directed to Ajh because he stated he didn't think the manager was a problem.
I'd like to understand that point of view a bit better from someone who I think is very objective most of the time and is not afraid to change or explain his views.
I don't think ajh gets entrenched in his views so that's why I asked him particularly.
There are posters that imo are worth asking and others who are a lot more emotional.

26 Feb 2024 13:18:57
Ports I get that point if view. If that's what they decide then I'll sort that 100% I'm not anti eth and don't dislike him. I've no faith.
If sjr the dof etc see stuff in not seeing I'll bow to their expertise all day long.
But I genuinely have lost all confidence in him but I'm very far removed and not a subject matter expert. I believe the new management team are so ill be led by them completely.
It's a waiting game to see if the experts and those closest to it see enough progress behind the scenes that warrant giving eth more time.
If they see it then I'm back on the eth bus. Simple as that. But at this point my belief and confidence in him has been shattered.

26 Feb 2024 13:47:12
Ken, I must admit after Saturday my thoughts were he's done, losing at home to Fulham in the manner they did was so disheartening. I guess I just feel it's history repeating itself with every manager. Big characters in the squad just seem to down tools or when the going gets tough, we just see that some players are not good enough. Rashford gave the ball away 9 times on Saturday, simply unacceptable for a player like him in this squad.

Iwobi said Fulham wanted it more and he was right, but that is the worst thing more than anything for a United player, the opposition wanting it more. But I take your point, ETH seems like he lacks the charisma at the moment to get a tune out of this lot but I honestly don't know of a manager who could? I've never liked all of Klopp's hugging and high fives and fist pumps after every game but is this the world we live in now and the type of professionals we're dealing with that they need that?

26 Feb 2024 14:02:01
Ken, we've had t Managers since SAF, all have struggled. Jose called it out, Ralf called it out, the club is a shambles. Change the Manager all you like but nothing will get better until the root causes are addressed.

As for ETH, he isn't rhe finished article, but apparently, the club did a proper review of candidates before setting on him, perhaps they made another mistake, or perhaps he is trying to swim uphill.

He's made Garnacho a starter, he's made Mainoo a starter, he dealt with Ronaldo, who we should never have brought back, he dealt with Sancho, correctly in my view.

On the downside, Bruno as Captain is a joke, he has persevered with Antony for far too long, and we are massively inconsistent, even within a 90 minute game.

We have players who don't seem to be fully committed, they need shipping out. No Manager will be successful in a culture of amateurish chaos.

SJR seems to have his head screwed on, appointing qualified people into influential positions. I hope he has the balls to tale the tough decisions, Rashford being a prime example.

Until we deal with thw wider crap, the Manager doesn't stand a chance. Jose finished second and went backwards Ole finished second and went backwards, ETH finished 3rd, won a Cup, and has gone backwards. It's not the Manager.

26 Feb 2024 14:32:20
I'm fairly old school with a lot of my thoughts ports.
However in my professional life I've had to adjust or get left behind. I can assure you I've not been left behind.
People need to earn to you they need to follow your and believe in you. Once that belief is gone its a very hard hill to climb.
Flexibility and knowing that you can't treat everybody the same in order to get the best from everybody.
There needs to be a clear strategy and guiding principles of course but within those there has got to be flexibilities that allow for different personality types.
Compromise needs to come from the top 1st to accommodate and inspire all around you.
As I said if the new co owner and major shareholder and his team are seeing more evidence of that from within then ill bow to their knowledge, experience and expertise.
Leaders lead followers get on the bus and follow. At this moment in time I'd rather be on a different bus just now with a different driver.

26 Feb 2024 14:55:36
Thanks ajh.
I agree it's not all the manager. I agree he has done a good job in the individuals you mentioned.
I agree that under the set up he and most previous managers were not set up to succeed.
But when I ask myself do I see eth succeeding under whatever set up is put in place to support him I still don't see him succeeding.
I make that judgement on what I'veseen here over 2 years. Zero improvement in our technical play. Zero individual improvement.
I feel if we leave garnacho with him he will end up like Antony has after 4 years with him.
I see little to no improvement in garnacho's decision making since he came into the team.
That's coaching.
4 years with Antony and you see the finished article.
Rashford not trying and still making the same mistakes as he was 2 years ago no development in his game. Bruno no development to his game.
Odd signings like onana.
So no matter what structure he has above him I don't see that altering what he is doing on the training pitch.
I appreciate your reply.
If you think all my reasons are invalid and see something I'm not then that's OK i'm happy to disagree.
None of us are close enough to know for sure so it's a waiting game.

26 Feb 2024 15:02:21
People forget that our team the squad does do well one year and drop considerably the next.

How much was it the team performing better and ETH was just here?

Every game, our team is so open, he thinks its just Eredivise and hasn't understood the level he is at.
2 years now and he still doesn't know what his players strengths are and what their weaknesses are.

Was Forson starting just because we want him to sign a contract? Because Amad looked more comfortable playing.

26 Feb 2024 16:36:32
Rashford is quality, but his head appears to be elsewhere and his effort is appalling. Antony I never understood, a huge fee for a pretty average player.

I accept that there isn't a clearly defined style of play but I'd like to see the club better organised with clear principles and direction before we change Manager again. He may not be the right man, but my God it must be hard work right now.

26 Feb 2024 16:43:10
My opinion is that ETH has done okay under very difficult circumstances. It’s very hard to assess if he could be a top manager in a more coherent club structure. But, ultimately, I suspect that Ratcliffe’s team have already decided that they’re going to bring in their own manager in the summer. Leaving ETH face the rest of the season with one fit striker and one fit left-back, whatever the ffp constraints, is a clear sign that the club doesn’t want him to bring in any new players.

26 Feb 2024 17:24:15
The upturn in results once Cas/ Martinez/ Shaw returned can't be overlooked. He had the first team he wanted, for the first time, since he arrived.
But it was very shortlived once that XI was broken apart again.
All the top sides have had massive injury problems but one of them is still going for the quadruple. I don't see them getting it but they're up there. Not only are Liverpool's 'lesser' squad players able to come in and make an impact (ie Elliott / Endo / Bradley / Jones etc) but even their youth come in and make an impact. Maybe it's because it seems a much more positive, healthy environment.
Although the numbers being thrown around for exits seem ridiculous to me we do need to be bringing in at least half a dozen excellent players who are all able to start and affect the game.
Oh to jump forward and see what the side looks like in the business end of next season, and who's managing it. I reckon same man, with 4 new starters.

26 Feb 2024 18:29:03
I'm not sure if ETH will be successful and his signings, team selection and signings appear poor to me but, I won't judge him on this season. Next season there can be no excuses.

26 Feb 2024 20:06:08
Upturn in results look who that was against! Come on please stop trying to defend the indefensible it don’t matter SJR already decided he gone I just hope they clear out all the coaching staff too.

27 Feb 2024 08:55:33
Strangeways

Did not know you are close to SJR and what he ahs decided lol.

We beat Villa and Westham at home. wolves away and luton away. Westham and villa were above us in the league table at the time. You seem to take every small window to thrash this manager and diminish everything else. If you are going to give it to the guy every opportunity after a bad result also give credit when its due.

Spurs have added 13 players in 12 months and no loan deal. All proper signings. Go check it on Transfermarkt. No one seems to talk about that. yes they lost kane. They have spend more than we did. They also finished above us before eth started in 2022. No European football at all this season and out of cups early on. one game a week pretty much all year and no dramas with players like sancho, greenwood, antony.

27 Feb 2024 12:02:13
Cmon Strangeways, barring last weekend we were one of the form teams this year and were really closing down Spurs/ Villa which is the only aim at this point I reckon. The top 6 are two mini-leagues - the scrap for top between Liverpool, Arsenal and City, then the scrap between Villa, Spurs and us. I reckon the top 6 places will ultimately be made up of these teams in those groups but couldn't call the order at this point.

26 Feb 2024 11:07:07
We find ourselves at an interesting cross road.
I don't dislike eth.
I disliked ole.
I don't think eth is incompetent ole was imo.
I think eth is a stand up honourable guy I don't think ole is.
I think eth is honest and has good integrity I don't think ole was.
I simply don't think eth has the right game plan to take us forward.
I don't think he has the charisma or the talent required to turn this around.
He seems to be inflexible difficult to get along with and a little aloof.

26 Feb 2024 11:31:17
Ken,

Let it go man. Ole’s been gone a long time.

26 Feb 2024 11:31:40
Ole was, is and always will be a United legend. All teams since that golden era are judged by the majority who have never known differently. He was, as all those after SAF, saddled with a poor club culture from the top down. Sure he was not the greatest manager but like ETH cannot be entirely judged on his results. We do not know the full story on how any manager has had to deal with the millstone of UTD round their necks.

Whilst he was certainly not the answer, he is being judged like all others, whilst not been given the tools to operate with.

Remember he took us on a record away game streak so cannot be all bad. And in my opinion is a decent standup honorable guy, if almost certainly out of his depth as a manager at this level.

Clearly you hate the guy but please give him some credit as a UTD legend.

26 Feb 2024 11:37:49
Ken, try hypnotherapy to rid you of the Ole curse? !

26 Feb 2024 13:07:10
Not a legend in my eyes keefy.
No more than a lot of other players some see as legends. It completely subjective and I've no issue being in the minority with any of my views.
He was a good squad player he made a really great contributing while he was playing. I'd put him in the same bracket as nick butt Phil neville and John o shea as a player. Much loved. But not a great.
I don't hate him I hate what he did in his time as manager.

26 Feb 2024 10:57:21
The poll results on rashford are quite damning.
There was a poll on twitter yesterday with 78.8% wanting him to be sold. That was a much bigger sample.
But fully consistent with the one on here.

I fully believe that our 3 most saleable assets are players we should all be happy to see leave the club.
2 of the 3 are fan favourites and 1 used be. All 3 would command decent fees and help our rebuild.
Rashford Shaw and Bruno would generate close to 200m and would all turn significant profit for the club to reinvest.
Varane casimero mctom maguire sancho pellistri vdb and hannibal all need to be sold for whatever we can get for them .
Vdb hannibal and sancho are doing us no favours.
Not sure too many will spend big on our redcoats who have been in oles holiday camp. These guys totally destroyed their careers coming to play for him and eth has not been able to shake them from their slumber. Casimero aside obviously.

26 Feb 2024 11:32:05
Shaw won’t have much of a market when you consider wages and injury profile. It’s time to bring on his eventual successor and I think that’ll be young Harry Amass.

26 Feb 2024 11:35:30
Yep. It is what it is.

26 Feb 2024 11:42:58
I wouldn't sell Shaw yet, the rest can go.

26 Feb 2024 13:21:51
Rave reviews on him all the way since he was 12 or 13 caolan.
Still only 16 so still some way off i'd imagine.
A really top prospect by all accounts.
3rd option next season I'd think behind the current 2 of Shaw and malacia. Maybe in 2 years time he will be knocking a lot more loudly at the door.

Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

26 Feb 2024 07:39:10
{Ed's Note - Shappy has posted a new article entitled, Speculation On Manchester United's Next Manager

26 Feb 2024 08:36:05
Good post Shappy.

26 Feb 2024 08:44:58
No mention of Carrick? lol

Quite a few clubs will be looking for new mgrs. Barcelona and Lpool on top of that list so top managerial talent will be hot demand this summer.

26 Feb 2024 09:34:54
We may end up with a scenario where ETH stays because the right manager is not available or chooses to go elsewhere. Bayern, Liverpool, Barcelona we know are all going to be looking for a new manager in the Summer. You then have the potential for ourselves, maybe Chelsea and I can see Newcastle looking for a new manager too unless they have a dramatic change of improvement. Finally, the one person who may trigger all this or will be a big influence on what happens will be Xabi Alonso. If he leaves Leverkusen and they have won the league, they will be looking to get a top Manager/ Coach in also. If he stays because he wants to continue to develop as a Manager and have a crack at the Champions League with Leverkusen, then the pool of Managers to employ becomes a lot smaller.

With everything that SJR has said recently about the structure of the club etc, I don't see Tuchel being any better than ETH so for me I'd rule him out. I'm not sold on Potter if I'm honest. Alonso won't come to us. The Sociedad manager Alguacil or Lisbon Manager, Amorim would be good shouts but I'd think Barcelona would be a greater pull for either of them.

I wonder if ETH is to go would we see a surprise appointment like Simeone, SJR has expressed his admiration for him. Going to be an interesting Summer in the Managerial world.

26 Feb 2024 09:50:26
There are a lot of more outside of the box type managers that could be considered. I've heard rumours of Kieran McKenna still being very highly thought of. Or Francesco Farioli of Nice.

I certainly wouldn't rule out the club hiring someone who isn't in the bookies top 10 list of favourites to get the job if it comes to hiring a new manager.

26 Feb 2024 10:41:00
Who ever it is will need time I think they will need to provide some sort of evidence or proof that they are on the right track and that they are making solid and sustainable improvements as they go.

26 Feb 2024 11:34:24
I like the idea of naglesman tbh.

26 Feb 2024 13:25:31
His star has slipped somewhat caolan and in hindsight what did he ever really achieve at red bull.
He could well do a great job but his CV would not inspire me.
But he could easily grow into the role.
Let's be honest there are no guarantees with anyone other than pep imo.

26 Feb 2024 13:54:52
Got into a discussion with a few friends this weekend about next managers, ones a scouser unfortunately but felt relevant for both of us (for what it is worth he wants Alonso for them) .

One comment that kept coming round was if this is truely a reset of the back room, and the club will determine the culture/ playing style then possibly who we get next might not be as key to the long term future as it would be under the old/ current structure where they determine most things.

So, whilst we might all have reservations about Potter/ De Zerbi/ Nagelsmen/ Almeron etc. they might actually work so long as they are aligned with the hierachy. We need a first team coach more than old school manager. If it does not then the club are still moving forward and can replace them without having to reset the rebuild.
Not wanting to think it will fail, but I would like us to be brave with who we look at and not fear it failing whoever it is the club choose.

25 Feb 2024 21:54:40
Massive hypothetical here but if we decide to move on from eth (50/ 50 chance) and Chelsea decide to part ways with poch (looking more and more likely) would he be someone we should consider. He has been in the frame before but has his last few experiences damaged his image?

25 Feb 2024 22:28:22
Just what we need another overrated loser

Never win anything

Too soft

I’ll pass thanks.

26 Feb 2024 06:48:36
Like Wesley Sneijder, that ship has sailed.

26 Feb 2024 07:15:55
I don’t think Wesley Sneijder has enough experience to be our manager Grim.

26 Feb 2024 09:44:52
Could probably still be an upgrade in midfield though Wazza. We could do with a left footed right winger this summer, Nico Gaitan anyone?

26 Feb 2024 10:01:29
Pochettino is a very good manager, and in principle I wouldn't be against it if he was the man the new ownership turned to.

Personally however, I think perception is such an important factor when hiring a manager at Manchester United. It almost doesn't matter whether they are a great manager or a good one. It is their trajectory that will play the biggest role. A great manager who seems on a downward turn won't be given the same kind of support or patience from the fan base as a younger up and coming manager on a upward trajectory will be given.

It's the same with players. Fans are prepared to give someone still learning and growing a little more time than someone with a long and impressive CV. Someone who fans expect instant results from.

Højlund for example was given far more time than someone like Falcao despite the obvious experience and proven track record of Falcao.

Julian Nagelsmann for example is still a fantastic young coach who can and will win major trophies in his career.

But coming off the back of a underwhelming run with Bayern a d potentially a poor year with the German national team would he be given the same sort of patience as a Xabi Alonso would get? Absolutely not.

Given that even SJR has stated that this is a minimum of a three year rebuilding phase we will need a manager who will be given more patience from the fans. Fans expecting title challenges or even massive improvement after 12-18 months will be in for a shock.

That along with a more structured club with less power for the manager are the reasons why I think the club would be more likely to go for a younger manager than a more experienced one.

It's not just about hiring the best in class, but also the best fit for the project.

26 Feb 2024 11:00:10
I was slightly poch fan tbh and wanted him ahead of eth.
I'm not sure he would have done better than eth now.
It's a no from me at this point. But hopefully he signs rashford for stupid money before chelsea fire him.

26 Feb 2024 13:51:37
Poch would be a no for me. I think the players would look at him and his time at Chelsea and his relatively unsuccessful time at PSG (European success) and not have him. Which for me is the problem with some of these players.

 


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