Manchester United banter 6

07 Apr 2024 07:39:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Sheffield United - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

06 Apr 2024 22:35:13
Lads
I just watched the film United again on Netflix/ with a cheeky beer and cried all the way through it. I wish the current team cared as much about the club has my grandad, dad, I and my son do, I’d like to see some pride against the scousers tomorrow and I’d like that spirit back
I’m soft and sentimental but always a red
GGMU.

07 Apr 2024 08:46:49
never seen it is it new or been there for a while. they have city's last season treble on atm and good to watch, hard to stomach.

07 Apr 2024 12:01:07
Been on for a while, Ahmad. Does a very good job of capturing the essence of our club. Make sure you have a pack of Kleenex at hand, though.

08 Apr 2024 01:15:40
I love United Noucamp, but not enough to require Kleenex.

06 Apr 2024 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - DLIB has posted a new article entitled, Cool heads must prevail at Manchester United

06 Apr 2024 08:48:52
Excellent post DLIB. Agree, including the part regarding Rashford. In answer to question, "How do you solve a problem called Marcus Rashford? " Getting rid is the only option in my view. He is infecting the squad with his attitude and letting the team down with his lack of effort.

06 Apr 2024 09:04:54
Yeah, the only way for Rashford is out. There's no place for him at Utd. He's the worst kind of footballer and quite rightly the fans can't stand him.

The problem is on £375k a week the only place he could feasibly go is PSG.

If it was up to me I'd have him working in the car park.

06 Apr 2024 09:16:36
good article DLIB-
what I would say that hasn't been considered as much, is not a question of getting rid of eth, but what if he simply engineers a move or resigns his post? After all he hasn't had an easy ride during his tenure and with more than a year of uncertainty re buyout and the player issues ronaldo, sancho and rashford as well as a lot of stuff we don't fully know; he might just take time out .
Regarding rashford, this isn't his only season of mediocrity and apart from last year hasn't been the superstar since C.V. hit. last season he had a purple patch in the league 27/ 12 until the game before 7-0 to them. after that 3 in 12 games and 4 before his run . 17 league goals is not a world class return ;new challenge for him and fee and wage saving would be the best thing.

06 Apr 2024 10:20:35
Funky pigeon, as Laurie Whitwell has said, ajaz, Bayern and Barcelona will all consider him. Seen as overachieving at United given the tools at this disposal.

I really hope they stick with him.

06 Apr 2024 17:09:19
angel must admit I am leaning more towards him staying as I think he has had some crap to wade through :at least for another season but can see why the clubs you mention could consider him- after the other results today hope he conjers something up tomorrow as well as the team:)

06 Apr 2024 18:25:57
Some crap is an understatement.

We those clubs must know something about him ?

But I'm glad to read Whitwells article about the planning for next year.

I think, also, ETH is some what lucky that Ashworth and Berrada are not technically in place yet.

06 Apr 2024 19:24:13
Angel, genuine question here.

Have you watched the football on offer this season? If so what from it has made you think this manager deserves another £2/ 300 million to spend?

If this is question was 12 months ago I’d have said back him, after what I’ve saw this season, no chance.

06 Apr 2024 20:17:43
Yes I've watched Caolan, I see a team that hasn't the players capable of playing the football that ETH requires.

I used this analogy some days ago. A man has married 5 times, each time divorcing the wife. At what point does the husband look at himself and see that he is the problem.

We have had Moyes, LVG, Jose, Rangnick and ETH. Managers that have forgotten more about football than we will ever know. Each time, the same thing has happened, they have all been sacked without any deep dive into the club structure or why so many knowledgeable managers have gone and gone.

Now we have a manager that has achieved, 3rd place, and 2 cup finals (hopefully 3) in two seasons against a myriad of issues both on and off the field. Did he overachieve, is he underachieving?

Whether he is the right or wrong man for the future, he deserves the opportunity to work within a structure that should give him the platform to succeed. If, next season, more of the same issues on the field are taking place, I will be the first one to say thank and time to move on. But right now, there is so much uncertainty of what can be achieved with this man and I don't believe it's the right time to call it a day with him. Plus, Southgate or Potter, really? Because that's what we will get.

I also look to Arteta as a great example of what can happen when you back a manager and give him the time. 8th, 8th, 5th, losing 36 league games in the process. 90% of Arsenal fans wanted him gone, but the board and the powers that be believed, and trusted him. I think Erik has also earned that right. Let's get behind him, for now.

06 Apr 2024 20:34:36
I am not really so bothered with tha manager position as I am who we appoint in the DoF position.

If the route we are going is to put someone in total charge this has to be the right person and they need to get the right people in for their plan.

06 Apr 2024 23:08:41
Sorry but I’m sick of seeing this rubbish that we don’t have the players to play his style. What is his style? Last season was pragmatic, and much much better than the dross we have seen this season. We played with much more control at times and were far more secure defensively.

Now it’s all changed and the style of play has completely flipped. Did we chase Frenkie De Jong to try and play this style we have seen this season? The answer is no. Again, I’ve saw zero from him this season to suggest he deserves to be in the job. We are lucky to be in 6th and I would suggest we will be lucky to finish in Europe if we continue playing this absolutely ludicrous football.

Who does ten hag need to be able to play the system we’ve employed all season? What midfielders out there can cover 60m of space running a bleep test all game? I’ve nothing personal against ten hag, but after what was a promising first season, we’ve totally regressed and I don't think he has a clue how to fix the consistent problems we have seen in nearly every single match this season. Mainly, cut back goals and leaving huge spaces in midfield due to whatever the bloody pressing system is.

Also, the night before a Liverpool match you don’t want the managers mouthpiece (mullock from the daily mail) putting out he feels he has no support from the new regime either. Not much of a look imo.

07 Apr 2024 01:36:43
Caolan, you not been watching the games to know what he wants to do and realize that we really don't have the players in the right positions?

Near on 60 injuries too, I mean come on, what's supposed to be done?

Do you think Arsenal did the right thing in giving Arteta time, even though he lost 36 league games in 3 years?

If you can't see why he should be given the chance to stay after the last 2 years, then there's no convincing you.

Keep wishing for him to get sacked, because we will end up with Potter or Southgate. ETH will move and be a success elsewhere whilst we will be wondering how we ended up with Southgate.

07 Apr 2024 03:08:11
I’m going to put it out there that ETH will be a middle of the road manager and never really a huge success to the level of Fergie, Wenger, Klopp, Pep, Jose et al.

07 Apr 2024 09:39:31
Keefy, how many managers in the world have reached those levels?

07 Apr 2024 09:41:09
angel

You are saying we don’t have the players in the right positions. It is well reported that ETH was contractually given significant say over who was bought and loaned in. Was it £400m spent, loans on top and you say we still don’t have players in the right positions? Why. ETH must take significant blame for that. Why do we have no left back? Why only one functioning CF? Why does Rashford play? When we all knew what we needed, why buy Mount for Bruno’s position? Why Onana? Why Amrabat? Why players ETH had a connection with? There are many more questions, but we needed to see a coordinated coached team and haven’t seen anything that resembles coaching. The continued selection of Rashford, the damage that did to the team on Thursday is baffling. Said many times ETH needed to show coaching and leadership and hasn’t.

As to Potter and Southgate, I would despair at Southgate as I did with Moyes and Ole. Potter has potential in the right circumstances. I would rather have ETH for another season than Southgate. It’s a pity we can’t get Pep from City when his contract runs out, if the owners want the best, that’s what they should do. But Southgate would make me doubt the part owners immediately.

Let’s hope today is not painful, because the pressure will ramp if it is.

07 Apr 2024 10:11:28
Angel……agreed, not many.

But it was more a point that ETH is sadly never, in my very humble opinion, going to be at the level required by UTD and will go on to be an average manager.

I had hoped that he would prevail but he is way out of his depth at this level.

07 Apr 2024 11:39:02
I’d call it a day on Rashford too. He just needs a change, and his attitude doesn’t correlate with his ability/ consistency (in a good way that is) on the pitch.

Martial, Rashford, Varane, Cas, Maguire, Lindleof, AWB, Donny, Pellestri and Sancho all need to leave as a good start, and replace them with the right profile of player and personality in the summer from the transfer market and academy if suitable. I know that is a lot of change, but it’s time to rip the band aid off and do that open heart surgery we’ve been talking a lot about.

07 Apr 2024 18:25:40
It’s not wishing him sacked, because it means we are doing poorly.

But I have seen zero in his performances this season as manager to warrant more time. If he doesn’t have the players available like you keep saying, perhaps he should’ve pushed for players to do so. Or perhaps he should find a way to play with the players at his disposal.

Yet again today, we should’ve conceded 5/ 6.

06 Apr 2024 00:22:10
So, on to Liverpool this Sunday, all I ask is that we don't sit back and play defensive or it will be another goalfest for the scouser's, we have to get at them from the start.

If players can't be up for this game in front of there own fans then they need to be shown the door, as long as we have a good go and put a dent in Liverpool's title hopes.

06 Apr 2024 07:22:58
I have the opposite view actually. I would like to see us sit with 2 6's and back 4 as a unit. Watching mainoo and cas get passed through and with massive gaps between the lines because our cb's generally don't get tight or step up is a recipe for disaster. way too easy to pass through us between the lines and space to run.

Watched the chelsea game again and kobe and cas were running and chasing back too many times being out of position and way too high up the pitch and massive gaps between the two lines.

Need to be compact imo liverpool will love an open game. Their back 4 is better than ours and will handle things better in an open game than our current back 4.

06 Apr 2024 08:21:39
Yeah because playing in our own half has worked soooooo well so far this season!

06 Apr 2024 09:05:53
What would you do Keefy?

06 Apr 2024 11:53:10
Ahmad, sitting back would be a disaster, we have to be closing them down high up the pitch and winning the ball back in there half like we did in the cup game.

Rashford will start but its a case of can he be bothered, if he is on it we know he can be a difference maker but we have not seen any of that this season, If again he doesn't look bothered ETH can't be afraid to take him off even if it is before half time, it has to be made clear its not acceptable.

06 Apr 2024 13:13:38
Jim

Our cb are not good playing high up the pitch and will get caught for pace which liverpool has plenty. They will shred us to pieces if we go loosy goosey and are ill disciplined, which was the case in that 7-0 game. They have fully fit squad with a an exception of a couple of players. They love having space with their wing play and almost a bit like us. I was at the FA cup and we were very good for 30 minutes but don't have the players to do that for a whole game.

Keefy

I wish we had sat in more this season most of our horrendous results is us being too far up the pitch and midfield gets caught when we loose possession which we do all the time and teams break on us. Most of the embarrassing result We have had is because we were wide open and I am wondering where is our midfield not because teams passed their way through us when we were compact.

I recon 80 percent of goals we have conceded has been from team breaking on us.

They need to win and will push up and maybe suits us to hit them on the counter.

06 Apr 2024 14:09:40
Bring back Ole!

06 Apr 2024 14:21:15
Ahmad

I understand what you are saying but we are conceding far too many shots on our goal this season more than any team in the league and sitting back won't help that.

As long as we have a good go at them that's all I ask.

06 Apr 2024 14:47:54
Jim fair enough. BTW our under 18s beat liverpool 9-1 earlier. maybe we should just play them :) and that with lacey being out for some time now.

06 Apr 2024 22:23:32
Manc Man.

Given the cattle available?

I would apologise profusely for the FA Cup game and hope they are benevolent.

05 Apr 2024 22:00:08


DLIB has written a new article entitled, Cool heads must prevail at Manchester United

06 Apr 2024 00:31:05
Great read that DLIB

You are bang on, as much as I think ETH may not be the right man it would be foolish to make any sort of decision until CEO, DOF and TD are all in place as it is there job to come up with the right replacement.

05 Apr 2024 20:07:48
Change of pace from the manager merry-go-round discussions/ arguments, thought Mount looked good when he came on, all be it for a short period. Looking forward to seeing a fully fit Mount, hopefully starting regularly for us soon.

05 Apr 2024 20:55:41
Where does he start ports?
That's the question.
Eth said at the start of the season he wants to play him in midfield.
I assume the post was with casimero mainoo has since come into the picture.
Mainoo and mount might be a little light but it might give the option to rest mainoo and bruno a little more.
He's never really played as a box to box so it will be interesting to see how he gets on. I think he is a really good player I'd like to see him play in the position Bruno thinks he is playing.

05 Apr 2024 21:13:17
He is a very good player needs to get fit and will turn out to be a great buy imo. Even antony might turn out to be okay and looks like a late bloomer :)

05 Apr 2024 21:40:18
I’d be happy if we had a mobile, athletic defensive midfielder next to Mainoo next season with Mount making a 3. Means sacrificing Fernandes but can see that happening, might makes us a little more solid centrally.

05 Apr 2024 21:48:29
Good point Ports, thought similar myself. A fully fit Mount, hopefully all next season, may well bring an extra level of creativity.
I fully expected for today, on here, to be pretty much as is, but given the dog's abuse he has suffered on here, mostly justified, bit of praise for one of best crosses I have seen for a very long time from Antony for 3rd goal. Indeed his second half performance was good overall, more of that needed.

06 Apr 2024 08:37:20
Ports

I will be an outlier but its not so much cas but our CB's. They can't play high up the pitch and the gap between the lines is massive.

its easy to run behind both Kobe and Cas and acres of space to receive a pass with our defenders sitting so deep. If they step up given where they are, we are even in worse shape will never get there in time.

The whole thing is even more evident when we lose possession as our Mids get caught high up the pitch but defenders still sitting too deep and wide open and teams get a run at us. No athletic 6 going to solve this given the amount of space you need to cover. It will help if you had fast monster 6 but it will not go away.

Upgrade the CB's imo.

06 Apr 2024 08:58:02
Loss of possession by us is abundantly evident and mostly, and continuously via Rashford, McT and Bruno. Time and time again it happens. Then McT and Bruno constantly conceding free kicks in dangerous areas. Rashford doesn't do that but that's because he never tracks back to those areas.

06 Apr 2024 09:10:33
That's an easy one Ken, he comes in for Bruno and Utd enjoy better ball retention and less embarrassing histrionics.

06 Apr 2024 09:28:46
Ahmad, did you see Brentford’s equaliser? Did you see Gallaghers goal? Did you see the amount of chances Chelsea got by going down the wing and and cutting it back to the edge of the box?! This isn’t a CB issue, this is an issue with our CM not having a body there to cut these passes, opportunities out. I agree that our CB’s can’t play high due to pace and this will help out in other aspects of the game but, and I don’t know what’s happened to the lad because he was my hero last season but Casemiro’s drop off this season is frightening, he just looks far to slow for the Premier League now. Shame because I like him.

I Want Our Trophy Back, agree on Anthony, thought he done very well and he had Cucerella on toast all game. Showed he is capable of going on the outside, unbelievable assist, works really hard. Just need that consistency now. Think you can see there’s a player in there, just need to do it more often now. I keep hoping little moments will kick him on. Think he’ll start v Liverpool. I just wish he’d cut out his aggressive reactions to decisions not going his way. Maybe it’s the South American fiery character in him, I’m just not a fan of it, get on with the game. On that note, I’m sure Chelsea fans loved it and I’m sure if it was a United player then some United fans would love it but thought Enzo Fernandez was acting like a right wally towards Mount. He’s a good player, not sure why he needed to act like that. Moments like that I wish we had a Robson or Keane on the pitch (although I always wish we had either of them on there! )

06 Apr 2024 10:07:21
I really like Mount and have said all season that I think he will be a successful player for us. The injuries have been unfortunate, but he is a top class player.

We have a fragmented squad with gaps and weaknesses all over the place. I think Mount's versatility will see him play in several positions next season, wide on either side, in the No.10 or as a No.8 in some games.

Personally I feel he is best in the No.10 position and long term I think that is where he'll settle. Bruno turns 30 in September and while a very good player, he isn't the long term answer, we are rebuilding and that will likely take 2-3 seasons. Making Bruno 32/ 33 before we have a side ready to challenge at the highest level.

We need to keep Bruno for next season, but I'd probably be looking to move him on in the summer of 2025, with Mount being his long term replacement. It's possible that Mount might even take his place by the end of next season.

06 Apr 2024 13:30:53
Ports

All those cut backs goals are a function of our mids getting caught high up the pitch through a loss of possessions and teams breaking on us. When their mids are running onto cutbacks, where are our mids?

Chelsea's first goal, mainoo makes a loose pass gets picked off and they have two guy running down the right wing on us and then a cut back. Watch the replay. Chelsea broke on us a lot and Bruno and Mainoo are really high up the pitch.

06 Apr 2024 13:53:53
Yeah I know Ahmad, which is why we need an athletic, mobile defensive minded CM ?.

05 Apr 2024 18:53:06
Can we maybe have a poll please eds.

3 options for next season:

Southgate Manager

Potter Manager

ETH to stay.

Not sure if already been done so apologies if so.

{Ed033's Note -


Utd Manager poll

06 Apr 2024 09:00:48
At least 15 people are on a wind-up voting for Southgate. Surely!
???.

06 Apr 2024 09:49:47
I really hope those voting for Southgate are joking.

He’s actually done an abysmal job as England manager for me. A great squad at his disposal, alongside the worst Spanish, Italian and German sides in a generation and he still plays ultra defensive football and won’t ever win a thing.

I’d even take the likes of McKenna, O’Neil etc. over Southgate.

06 Apr 2024 09:59:23
So it's pretty clear that the majority would rather keep EtH than have either Potter or Southgate.

Yet the overriding narrative on here in recent weeks seems to be that people think we should replace EtH.

So the question I'm asking is which manager would you ideally like to replace EtH?

06 Apr 2024 10:22:02
I think that SJR, Brailsford and co felt the pushback from the fans when Southgate was mooted, I also feel they know that Potter wouldn't go down to well.

I think the majority have said to stick with ETH, so I believe that's what they will do.

06 Apr 2024 10:33:14
Shappy the 'overriding narrative' on here in recent weeks is from the same names and they are clearly in the minority. The poll seems to reflect that. The vociferous minority effect.

06 Apr 2024 10:37:15
Think this is a big problem Shappy, there are no, IMO any outstanding realistic managers that we could get to replace him. And any manager outside of the premier league or English football that people may suggest (Amorim) would come in with question marks and risks over them, experience etc. If ETH goes, I’d personally go for a complete reboot, no manager with any baggage or blotch on their CV, Southgate and Potter will both have huge question marks on them because of England and Chelsea. The more I think about it, McKenna might be the best option outside of keeping ETH if INEOS are looking for a coach.

06 Apr 2024 11:26:13
Shappy, ETH for me. But I wouldn't be upset if Potter was appointed. I still think he's a very good manager. I know he won't be sexy enough for some, but he seems to be a clever, thoughtful, progressive guy. I wanted him here last time, and my view wouldn't have changed because of his time at a club that are just as much of a basket case as us.

06 Apr 2024 18:28:02
Nou, agreed, potter is good and I have said so many a time. I just think, not yet. Let ETH have more time and if or when he can't turn it around, then fans will be more open to someone like Potter.

If Potter were to come in now, face similar difficulties, it could quickly turn sour and I think that would be very unfair on him as the current or next coach will need time.

05 Apr 2024 17:30:41
United V Liverpool on Sunday
The first game I went to against them at OT was November 1972. Liverpools team included Clemence, Tommy Smith, Emlyn Hughes, Keegan, Cormack, Heighway, Toshack, Callaghan. Ours Stepney, Buchan, Morgan, Best, Charlton, Storey-Moore and Ted MacDougall.
MacDougall scored and we won, somehow, 2.0.
Saw some great Liverpool players in the 70's and 80's at OT.
I am going to Old Trafford on Sunday, first time in a few years. I get the feeling we will be up against it, like then. It just shows that the underdog can win. Full commitment no less, come on United!

05 Apr 2024 17:50:08
I think we will see full commitment. How far that takes us is anybodies guess. Took us to an unlikely win last time so fingers crossed.

05 Apr 2024 17:51:59
With Evans and Maguire at the back, I fear the worst.

05 Apr 2024 22:32:58
I'll be there Redman. It's my son's 9th birthday on Sunday! What a present eh? Lol

Hoping for a win.

06 Apr 2024 09:23:03
Angel

Happy Birthday to your son tomorrow. I remember my first Liverpool game as above, hope he enjoys it.

06 Apr 2024 09:24:48
I remember McDougal’s first game at OT. Scored with a bullet header! Gone five months later when the Doc arrived. I can still see that header! BANG!

06 Apr 2024 11:27:05
Enjoy the day, Angel. Hopefully good memories are made.

06 Apr 2024 18:28:59
last time he was there, was the Sevilla game, what a terrible night that was. Some might say the start of ETHs downturn.

So I'm hoping tomorrow can be the day that it starts to turn around for him.

06 Apr 2024 20:29:44
Many thanks red man. I look forward to getting a united we stand too!

05 Apr 2024 17:13:20
To bring Potter or Southgate into this club with this group of clowns would be a disaster.

Imagine if Southgate dropped rashford for the euros then became United manager! He doesn't put in the effort now.

Let Ten Hag have 12 months and a couple of windows with the new hierarchy and see if there's improvement.

We have had no 'football people' running this club for years. Let him work with the new structure then judge.

Rashford, Casemiro, Varane, Sancho, Mctominay and Antony should be getting sold to raise funds.

05 Apr 2024 17:39:06
I think potter would be a good choice given time. Southgate would be as inspiring as a wet fart, may aswel re appoint Ole.
Ten hag had shown nothing over 2 seasons to warrant any more time. The players are pathetic but no patterns of play, no change in tactics when they clearly aren't working. All the injuries he can't help but if the stories of his reluctance to ease up on his training methods are true, they must contribute towards it. His post match interviews leave me baffled in how he sees the game.
Surely there must be better coaches out there then Southgate. Tuchel, Nagelsmann all available.
Seems like dan ashworth wants Southgate which doesn't fill me with any confidence about ashworths arrival.
Think we have missed a truck with Paul Mitchell personally. Would also be able to start this summer rather than wait for ashworth and Southgate.

{Ed002's Note - Ashworth wants Potter but there is no agreement for him to join.}

05 Apr 2024 18:20:09
If we’re looking for a head coach under this new structure and you have Potter and Southgate’s name in the running, I’d be inclined to go after someone like McKenna. Knows the club, doing wonders with Ipswich. Massive step up but been at the club and will have the guidance and support above. I’d be more excited by that appointment than the other two personally.

05 Apr 2024 19:00:40
Varane is out of contract 2toms.

05 Apr 2024 20:26:42
Good, massive wages off the books. Get in a CB who can play 80-90% of our games.

05 Apr 2024 20:53:01
Good, massive wages of the books.

05 Apr 2024 14:18:04
Another great article from Laurie Whitwell, IMO, the one of the two best journalists on anything united, Andy Mitten the other.

Seems like the club want to stick with ETH. Delighted to hear that.

All you have to do is look over at Arsenal and admire how they stuck with a manager that finished 8th, 8th and 5th in his first 3 seasons. Losing 13, 13 and 10 games. He was under heavy heavy pressure but there was a plan and a willingness from the board to stick by their man.

I hope the same for ETH.

05 Apr 2024 14:27:52
I don't hope for the same Angel.
If they (ineos) are seeing something I'm not then he will be kept.
We have no other hope other than to trust their judgement.
Arteta is a good example of how things can develop positively.

05 Apr 2024 14:39:50
The difference is that you could see the steady improvement at Arsenal under Arteta as the seasons progressed, we can hardly say that about ETH can we.

05 Apr 2024 15:01:57
I can't think of a coach with a worse game management strategy than EtH.

05 Apr 2024 15:23:58
Really ken? I thought you were all for him ?

Arteta lost 36 league games in his first 3 seasons, finishing 8th, 8th and 5th. Many Arsenal fans wanted his head on a platter.

But I'm not sure Arteta had to deal with what ETH has had to deal both structurally at the club and injury wise.

ETH has been involved in all aspects of planning for next season, surely they wouldn't have him work that closely with them if he were to depart.

Arteta is definitely a good example.

05 Apr 2024 15:25:39
Simo, 8th, 8th and 5th, first 3 seasons, 36 games lost. What were you seeing? ?

The point I am trying to make is that they stuck by him, allowed him time to both recruit the right player and implement his style and currently it looks like it is paying off big time.

But go back 4 years ago, they wanted him gone. Thank god fan forums don't make the decisions. No one would last on here.

05 Apr 2024 15:26:52
Ken, I'll also add. What other options do they have? It's not the worst thing in the world to let him continue under the correct structure and with some new blood and give him till Xmas time or until a better option becomes available. All this providing that he doesn't turn it around next season.

05 Apr 2024 15:43:22
Southgate or Potter if ETH goes. Neither one fills me with any confidence. I’d rather stick with ETH for another year and give the new directorate time to identify the right person than bring in another new manager before they’re in place.

05 Apr 2024 15:44:42
Angel,
I don't know the options no more than you do.
The issue is everybody is a compromise on pep he is standout imo.
In my experience (not Football related) it best to be decisive when making management decisions and not let things drift in hope they will improve.
I don't think you can compare arteta to lvg as their situation is very different.
Arteta is a great example of what we are trying to achieve.
I don't think that eth is the man to achieve it for us. I see traits in his management style that are not conducive to success long term.

05 Apr 2024 16:01:28
People want him gone, people want him to stay. Its all just conjecture, no one knows the full picture of what's happening at United and no one will. People are just shouting louder about their opinion than others. But that's all it is - opinions.

Its just laughable that once again the posts since the game yesterday are focusing on ETH and managers, rather than talking about any of the players or the game itself. Might as well rename this the ErikTenHagrumours page.

05 Apr 2024 16:05:35
Eth is more compostable to lvg imo I meant to say.
Why did you want lvg fired ( if you can remember)

05 Apr 2024 16:51:47
Players fail for umpteen managers often before they excel for another. Teams can excel under a manager and fail under a different one. Happens all the time.
I've always said for every ying there is a yang.
Eth came in and I bought in 100%. He was not my 1st choice but I was 100% behind him and his strategy tbh anybody was going to be better than ole.
He had a very good 1st season the team showed significant improvement although it did subside a bit towards the back of the season.
This season with the exception of dalot garnacho and mainoo no player has played up the their ability.
Luton have scored more than us. 15 teams have scored more than us.
We have dis-improved considerably both individually and collectively.
Injuries have played a part but no more than at most clubs this season.
Our worst ever cl campaign and what's likely to be our worst epl campaign.
It's not all down to the players that keep throwing serial managers under the bus.
Onana Heaton bendyir, awb, maguire martinez, malacia, garnacho mainoo, Mount, casimero, vdb, rasmus Anthony amad pellistri, Bruno have all only played under ole and eth (excluding interim ralph) only Evans Shaw and rashford go back to lvg and Jose. And mctom lidelof and dalot go back as far as Jose.
Loads of our useless players have left and won titles again, darmian ibra blind, Armenian micky, sanchez Di Maria herrera. Cl latter rounds etc. Not useless players.
Where we right to sack those managers? Yes
Well none have won anything since except moyes.
Lots of the useless players have won since they left.
Eth came in on the back of the successful and good to watch ajax team he managed.
Lots of players excelled in that team.
De light sold twice for big money and couldn't get into either team at juve and now bayern on a regular basis.
Vdb well we all know how that's gone.
Zyiech. Bit part at Chelsea moved around a bit.
Fdj. Not lived up to expectations and won nothing at barca
Anthony from the next gen ajax team another we know about not lived up to expectations.
But when they were all together they looked great at ajax.
Sometimes circumstances are perfect for players and coaches to excel.
Some coaches get players playing above themselves as part of a collective unit. Fergie was the master of that imo and klopp also.
There are traits I recognise in eth that imo will not lead to long term sustainable success.
We have plenty of players I'd like to move on too as I think they have had plenty of chances too.

05 Apr 2024 17:07:49
I think ETH has 3 games, main one being the FA cup game if we lose that i can see him being shown the door.

05 Apr 2024 17:07:51
Arteta absolutely did not deal with all the issues facing ten Hag, it's as simple as that.

To some, the injury crisis lands as a convenient, if not lazy, excuse.
To others, the reality of it lends support for the notion of ten Hag having a mare.
I'm in the latter camp.

Arteta's never had a season with this combination - a new Keeper with a markedly different style, 5 out of the 6 senior CBs being on and off the treatment table all season missing 65 games collectively, one LB out for the season and the other missing 24 games due to his own injury gremlins, plus the 21 games missed by the only RB who hasn't frequently been required to cover at LB.

Away from the pitch, he's had the ownership/ investment saga, he's had the legal and commercial concerns regarding Greenwood, he's had Sancho being a prick.

I know some of the anti-Erik bods will overlook the above and that's fine, but their opinions remain ill-informed and, frankly, weak af if they don't consider the above to be contributing factors of the shambles we've witnessed.
Whatever level of failure you want to accuse a person of, there's not one single other manager in our club's history who's had to deal with some of the pressures faced by ten Hag.

I don't think ten Hag is anywhere close to a Pep, Klopp, or any other suppository-sounding mofo, but he's definitely had a rough ride.

From Whitwell's piece, I expect ten Hag to be given next season as the acid test.
The details and nuances concerning the direction that the club takes under the wily gaze of SJR and his team will be more tangibly apparent to ten Hag than to any of us and will subsequently decide his fate - sink or swim.

05 Apr 2024 17:24:26
You're right ken, neither of us know to be honest, probably best that we both stay quiet on it ?

If INEOS persist with him, will you say you were wrong?

05 Apr 2024 17:33:38
Ork, I'm not anti Eric and I think he has handled well a number of difficult issues.

Also, he has had a lot of on field problems to work around such as all the injuries and the useless tosspot called Rashford.

Having said that, I'm failing to see any real organisation or coaching or playing style or even basic motivation of the players. It's just a shambles.

It's impossible to endorse a manager whose team is so flaky and unpredictable.

05 Apr 2024 17:59:17
Angel of course I will. I've no issue being wrong i'm wrong about stuff everyday sometimes important stuff unlike an opinion on a situation I've no control over.
This is unimportant in life really.
I'll be disappointed in myself I have judged it wrong but in my life I get so much more wrong than right I'll get over it writhing a few mins I'm sure.
Being right more than wrong on important stuff is what matters to me and to us all.
I'll also be shocked if they stick with him as I believe they will see obvious things I'm seeing from a leadership perspective. Not withstanding I only see what you see and not anything behind the scenes.
I've said from the very outset I'll support whatever the ineos and new team decide they are our best hope for the future.
I'm sure you'll do the same.

05 Apr 2024 19:02:51
I've already admitted to being wrong I defended eth all they way up to end Jan. I admit that was a gross error of judgement.

05 Apr 2024 20:53:40
I think, ken, given ed002 saying potter or Southgate, we are much better off keeping ETH in charge.

Those 2 fill me with no confidence whatsoever, jesus.

06 Apr 2024 07:37:15
Simo1975

Not true and arsenal were a mess for arteta's first 2 years. Even in his third season they started with 3 straight league defeats and tons of noise he was getting sacked.

They got better after that and really turned the corner after the Christmas break and had one of the best records and followed that up with last years title challenge.