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Liverpool FC - Midfield Revolution

15 Mar 2018 12:14:04
{Ed's Note - Adam Jones has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool FC - Midfield Revolution

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15 Mar 2018 09:12:56
i don't get the performance tues night we played Liverpool and thought we played really we especially the 1st half so why change the team for tues just don't get it. sanchez what on earth is wrong with him I'm afraid he needs to be dropped give him a kick up the ar*e. pog well we all no he's been playing rubbish. if we had Neymar messi Ronaldo any world class player in our team atm they would look average i liked boreen but now I'm thinking he's not right for us and a change in management is needed but the problem is who.

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Review Of The Day 15th March 2018

15 Mar 2018 05:55:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th March 2018

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15 Mar 2018 06:53:54
Super, smashing, great, look at what you could have won. I never understood why working class darts fans would want to win a speedboat. Love the cat winning MOTM, shame we didn’t have one on our pitch on Tuesday.

15 Mar 2018 11:07:35
Shame about Jim Bowen. Stephen hawking also died yesterday morning-just the way it should be, Non dart player to go first. I ll get my coat.

15 Mar 2018 13:24:13
Out of the black and into the red, there’s nowt in this game for two in a bed.

15 Mar 2018 13:24:13
Out of the black and into the red, there’s nowt in this game for two in a bed.

15 Mar 2018 01:50:18
Do any of you fine ladies and gentlemen on here think it would be in the clubs' best interest if pogba was sold? i only ask because for someone who has such great potential why isn't he turning it on week after week, he's old enough now, so why are there people making excuses for him? at juventus he was immense, and that was because he was judged on what he did day in, day out, he was just another young midfielder, back at united some say future legend, i reckon in his head he already thinks he is! -and there's the problem, he's got a sense of entitlement, look at after the match on sunday, jose was giving an interview to the beeb and pogba walks by, jose nods and gives him a wink to acknowledge him, but that's not good enough for pogba, he comes back again and into camera to give jose a hand bump, always got to be centre of attention, now that's fine if your doing it on the pitch but he isn't, he's more miss than hit, and you can't blame jose for that, its in his nature, fergie would testify to that, if psg decide to offer big sheckles for him, would he be missed that much? -probably only on instagram i reckon.

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15 Mar 2018 06:44:30
Pogba has been rubbish since sanchez's arrival, but the problem here seems to be sanchez rather than pogba, Since sanchez's arrival Pogba looks lost and rubbish, martial and lingard who had been our best players until then have either been turned into bit part players or have gone off boil. The only common denominator here is sanchez, our mf and defense at best of the times aren't really solid, since his arrival the team has had to work extra hard not to match sanchez's own effort but to cover for the part that he loves distributing the ball to our opponents rather than to our own players.

If i was mourinho i would drop sanchez until end of the season, he has been nothing but a disruptive influence on the team and his own performances have shown it is better to play with 10 men than have sanchez as the 11th.

15 Mar 2018 07:32:30
Class82. Pogba is a fantastic talent but he's a showboat, more frills than knickers. His effort on the pitch before and after Sanchez arrival has been rubbish. I see players going past him with the ball and he makes no attempt whatsoever to stop them. He also seems to have changed his physique as he seems very awkward at changing direction or turning. He's a liability.
This has nothing to do with Sanchez or Mourinho's grandmother! The whole problem is to do with his attitude, which stinks.
I said a few weeks back that he's more interested in haircuts and Twitter than playing. Unfortunately, that cannot happen and unless he changes his ways, which is highly unlikely, he'll continue to look like the biggest waste of money we've made.
Will I swap him with Veratti? Any day of the week.

15 Mar 2018 07:53:32
Can't disagree with anything you've said there Attack Attack Attack, maybe those injuries from playing basketball in the past might be affecting his gait, either way, he's never going to be the leader in the team, or the enforcer, but bearing in mind his fondness for attention, would he be open to someone else being brought in to be captain etc, i wouldn't be too sure of that.

15 Mar 2018 10:09:52
Pogba needs to be playing in a midfield 3 as the attacking left side. I get people saying he shoold be able to play next to Matic on a 2 and he can but you are getting an average player in that case and I would sooner have Mctominy who has more heart.
Play him as attacking midfielder with holder behind as Juventus did and you have the player we payed 80m for.
I'm not sure under Jose he will ever fully flourish.

15 Mar 2018 21:08:04
Can a player who is capable only of playing well when on the left side of a midfield 3 be reasonably considered to be great?

14 Mar 2018 18:53:48
Football isn't really that difficult, you go forward, passing the ball and moving into space, making yourself available to the player with the ball. Last night again highlighted what i have been saying for a long time. Our players don't have any movement, apart from one or two, the rest pass the ball and think that is where their contribution ends. no run beyond the player with the ball to receive the next pass, or just to take an opponent away and free up space for a team mate.
The reason Sanchez isn't able to show his ability since he joined is because he always has 2 men on him, with no movement or help from his team.
Our fullbacks almost never make an overlap, our midfielders don't burst into the box, instead if the ball doesn't come to them, they won't go looking for it.
Now whether its Mourinhos tactics or lazy players without desire, it must change, and if Jose can't see that, he has to go.

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14 Mar 2018 20:12:41
You can buy all the players in the world but when you have dull tactics that are out dated there's only so much a player can do.
Rash very effective against liverpool then switch him to the right, Mata a game made for him last night, put on 2 slow midfielders for what.
Young is our lb and Valencia our rb
2 wingers.
There is a lot of work to be done.
Got rid of van gaal for boring tactics have Jose the job same old crap.
The board need to step up and say right this isn't working now move on.
Jose check out of that hotel.

14 Mar 2018 20:55:37
Is Mourinho Scouse. Its never his fault.

15 Mar 2018 09:25:06
Actually he is our special agent, he wanted to be our manager when Rafa got the job so to stop him sulking we asked him to take over you lot instead as he’d help us out 10 times more by using all his skills and know how to continue Moyes’s project.

Funniest thing of all us that fact that he says it’s all your fault for stuffing your face with prawn sandwiches instead of getting behind the team and creating an atmosphere for his brittle millionaires, the dig about you should all be familiar with the early UCL exit door was the cherry on the top.

Double Agent Moanrinho please try and be a bit more subtle in future, you’re going to blow your cover 🤭.

15 Mar 2018 09:31:14
no Blackpool red Jose could be from your neck. You have a lot in common, you both think your the most entertaining place in the uk. You promise excitement when in reality you overcharge us for a lacklustre experience. Sound like home or OT😉.

15 Mar 2018 10:06:07
Nice for you lot to crawl from under that rock. You lot still playing the best football the world has ever seen. Please tell me how many years since the league I can’t remember. Still believe you have the best fans in the world. Watch the Turks last night now that’s an atmosphere. Anfield just as bad as old Trafford as are every ground in england.

15 Mar 2018 14:02:35
i'm sure your posts really cheered everyone up after Tuesday, so well composed, and subtle to a degree previously unseen before on these pages.

15 Mar 2018 16:44:11
Cmon Blackpool don’t start picking fights with us. It took u lot 26 yrs but u probably only started being a plastic manc in 2000 after the treble 😉 . Let it go lad.

14 Mar 2018 18:08:28
I'm not going to even comment on last night as I'm still unable to process our flat display. I'm trying not to have a knee jerk reaction as Sevilla on their day can be dangerous, I believe they scored plenty vs Liverpool in the same comp for example but enough of that, what I want ask Ed's and fellow players, what is up with Paul Pogba? Has he downed tools, is he just young and inconsistent? Some shocking performances of late.

{Ed001's Note - that is how he has always played. The problem is that most people only see the highlights, those flashes of superlative skill that he does show on a regular basis, without realising that they are interspersed between long periods of ineffectiveness. Without a partner to do the graft alongside him, he is being caught out.}

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14 Mar 2018 18:45:19
Great point ed001,
I look at him now and he has bulked up considerably. He has lost a yard of pace and lost most of his nimbleness as a result. His confidence is very low and his play has been poor. I would get him out of the gym and let him spend those hours out on three pitch with a bag of balls.
I believe him and sanchez in particular suffer from the lack of movement around them. Players without options are so easy to get tight to and close down. We hand over possession every 10 seconds because the player recieving the ball is static and then nobody moves for him.
Some of that is tactics and some of it is down to the players.
Mata is our only attacker that can look after the ball all the others lose it continually. Lukaku is improving in that regard but is still a bit hit n miss.

{Ed001's Note - personally I would get them all playing some small sided games on small, tight pitches. Maybe the old 6 v 4 game Cruyff used to get his players playing. That will bring back quick feet and allow him to regain confidence in his ability.}

14 Mar 2018 19:14:45
Thanks for your views Ed. It’s a very frustrating United team to watch all round atm, we are like a nearly team, can’t quite click for more than short periods.
All I see from Pogba atm is the Rooney Hollywood pass, McTom has come in, kept it simple and looked the part, sometimes it’s not all about the star name but the lesser lights that make a team tick.

{Ed001's Note - it is always about the lesser lights imo. You need some people to do the donkey work or the flair players can't shine. I don't see how it is a nearly team, it is doing exactly what Jose wants. Defend deep and lump it up to the big man to bring others into play on a quick counter. That is his way when it is the big games, as he believes passing teams are susceptible to long ball tactics and struggle to break down tight packed defences.}

14 Mar 2018 19:33:45
thats on the money United are second in the league doing what Jose does .
Last night was shocking but I can't criticise United in the league it's Jose doing what he does I'm not sure what people expected or expect next season .
As for pogba it's still about potential he was never juve best player people bought the hype .
Has all the attributes really has but has he got the desire .
I honestly think he has bags of talent in fact he has got to where he is with out fully pushing himself .
But to get to the very top it's not just talent it's as much about mentality and he still hasn't proved he has that.

{Ed001's Note - at times Pogba can be breathtaking, but it is not even a 90 minute thing with him, it is a few seconds here and there during a game. He is a playground player, someone who is more interested in his style and looking good than what he achieves. Man Utd must be like a scene from White Men Can't Jump, as Jose is the Woody Harrelson character, who just wants to win, no matter how ugly, while Pogba is like Wesley Snipes' character and is all about looking good first, winning second.

You need a hard runner alongside Pogba, someone to wake him up the way Vidal used to. He ran much more with Vidal because it is inspiring when your team-mate is charging about, you up your game to compete because otherwise he is the one that looks good to the fans and Pogba needs to be the one who looks good.}

14 Mar 2018 20:39:25
It's frustrating because he has the talents and the physical attributes to be outstanding .
He has been asked to be the main man at United but I'm not sure it's in his character.
Hopefully he learns from this downturn and comes out the other side.
Problem is it might be a lot easier to move brand pogba on .

{Ed001's Note - it might also be a lot better if he has not understood the work ethic required to make it at the top level yet.}

14 Mar 2018 20:44:23
Nice analogy Ed I like that!

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, though I think we are showing our age in even knowing that film!}

15 Mar 2018 08:50:03
No doubts we are improved on where we was under LVG, 6th to 2nd, won 2 trophies, could win another this year, I still don’t see us playing to the best of our ability atm though which maybe a good sign, I’m sure Jose will continue and we will see improvements and I’m glad, I want Jose to finish the job through.
What I mean about not quite clicking is we seem to nearly complete a good move, nearly make that final pass, nearly beat that last Man, but it never quite happens often enough so maybe the extra 10% will fall into place naturally.
We are such an odd team, to play how we did vs Liverpool then how we did against Sevilla, maybe that’s a sign we are not quite at the level required yet or are young and inconsistent, again I’m sure another year will see bigger strides, always next year eh lads ahem x.

15 Mar 2018 12:23:33
Ed001 - sadly agree with pogba comments but find it a heap distasteful that another player is needed t wake him up!
He is not the only one as I find the team in general (way they play) devoid of energy and movement. Surely JM isn't blind and can see the top teams movement and the way that players drop in if one goes forward or out of position. Think it was Dixon who summed it up, that we have the individuals but they don't play as a team.

{Ed001's Note - I am sure he is not blind to the problems, the big question is whether he is capable of fixing them or not?}

15 Mar 2018 13:54:33
The problem is Jose and the only way he can fix it is to leave.

14 Mar 2018 18:09:51
Video circulating of a training session from Pep's days at Bayern. He is so intense but his attention to detail on attacking patterns of play is incredible.

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14 Mar 2018 21:59:52
Jose doesn't believe I'm this bs. He believes in the real football.

15 Mar 2018 03:54:36
Pep is a coach jose is a manager.

14 Mar 2018 17:35:02
Not only was our team embarrassing last night our support was aswel. It's quiiet for most home games to be fair but champions league nights especially for important games is usually decent It's asif a lot of our fans just come and expect to be entertained and feel like they have no part to play in the game. We need to be the 12th man from the first minute to the last. Granted we had nothing good to shout about last night but that's no excuse to sit there in silence all game.

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14 Mar 2018 18:20:34
Nah mate. It works both ways. If the team can't be arsed then usually the crowd isn't either.

It's a bit difficult to get enthusiastic when the players are ambling about with no intent.

Mostly I just sensed disappointment and anger at the manager and his tactics along with the players and their lack of effort.

£500 million to boot it long to the big man? Really?

14 Mar 2018 17:12:20
When was the last time we played a team to beat them out of sight?

I think we are seeing how big a mistake that contract extension was now. At least it puts all those hypothetical questions to be now like, ' would you rather get beat playing great football, or win the CL playing defensive dross like we are seeing week in week out? '

I'm pleased all the Jose stalwarts are starting to turn, just as they did with LVG around this time in his second season. Jose is no good for Utd, make a change early so a new manager gets some prep work in before the World Cup.

{Ed025's Note - im with you beast..

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14 Mar 2018 17:24:28
Beast - Do you honestly believe that we'd be better off without Jose?

Who do you believe that's available that could take us to the next level?

Whilst we remain in the top 4 there is absolutely no chance his job is at risk in my opinion despite the quality of football on offer.

14 Mar 2018 17:28:01
I agree beast. I was a Jose stalwart but last night changed it for me. It was unacceptable and there is no signs that if we add more players that the style will improve. This was our biggest game in years yet we went out with the most pathetic whimpering performance. In an ideal world I would want Jose to succeed and see out his contract. But I don’t think he can turn it around for us. It would be a waste to back him with millions again if this is the sort of rubbish that is going to be served up for the fans.

14 Mar 2018 17:30:49
After his comments he said it isn't my fault it's Manchester United's.
He just doesn't fit as United manager on and off the field.

{Ed025's Note - very true leahy mate..

14 Mar 2018 17:34:30
I maintain that three seasons is a reasonable amount of time to give someone of his calibre without calling for their head. However when a performance that poor, that uncommitted and that spiritless comes along and is followed by defeatist comments from the manager, It becomes almost impossible to do anything but doubt. It is not impossible he can turn things round in one more year considering his track record, however I am no longer even vaguely optimistic of that.

I didn’t want him because of his personality in the first place but chopping and changing manager all the time is small-time shortsighted and counter-productive. That performance was so bad however but it’s entirely possible in this case that it just may be needed.

14 Mar 2018 17:43:26
I wanted mourinho a long time ago, but have been disappointed and calling for his head for around 6 months now.
He simply is not a good fit for United. His post match comments were ridiculous in the extreme and showed a lack of understanding and respect towards the club.
As for replacements, Poch or Enrique will have this team playing incredible football. Dare I say even Giggs/ Scholes might prove better once Giggs has had a few years experience.
My worry is that we've bought two world class players in Pogba and Sanchez and they're looking anything but world class due to his team selections and tactics.
Pep has managed to get a lot of expensive individuals playing as a team in 12 months. Mourinho has got a lot of quality players but they're not playing as a team. Thatsa sign of a crap manager.

14 Mar 2018 17:38:00
We need an attack minded coach with fresh ideas - Jardim, been saying it for ages. We have tried the supposed world class experience with LVG and Jose, almost every manager becomes more defensive the older they get, just like normal people as you get older you tend to take less chances and are reluctant to try new things if old faithful is available. You know what works for you and you stick to it, tends not to work out in football as budding experts learn from the masters and eventually eclipse them.

Fans need to demand better, the board need to be held to account. Why the hell was his contract extended coming out of a truly awful run during the winter period?

Everything is desperate about our club at the moment, those that call for calm and giving the benefit of the doubt do not help matters imo.

14 Mar 2018 17:48:45
Jose attacks far more in the press conferences.

14 Mar 2018 17:52:55
Beast, in some cases calm and benefit of the doubt are exactly what’s needed. And in others it’s sleep walking into disaster. It’s sometimes hard to know which occasion is which. Like with Fergie, time worked. With Jose, it may not. Problem is we can’t ever know in a culture of chopping and changing and quick fix demanding whether the calm approach would have worked.

But as I say, last night was awful (as have many many performances been this season) so I absolutely can see why some would want rid.

14 Mar 2018 17:56:59
It’s time we went with someone forward thinking and fearless with their tactics. Someone whose first instinct is to attack and entertain, not wait for an opponent to make a mistake or to hold off. It’s time for the board and the club to start acting like a football club and to care about what is going on the pitch and not about the £££s in our bank account. I fear that as long as we have top 4 and win the odd cup, then the board won’t be forced into changing the manager.

Get in a Tuchel, Poch or jardim or someone of that ilk. Bring in someone who will grow with us and implement their own identity on our club, whilst also respecting and understanding the tradition and style that we as united fans demand.

AAA you are right. Jose disrespected the club yesterday and clearly he does not understand or respect the traditions of the club. I was shocked at what he said and if felt as if he was trying to provoke a reaction from the board. I don’t want someone at the club who does not buy into the history of our club, or who can openly disrespect the fans like Jose did yesterday.

14 Mar 2018 18:08:47
Agree beast. Anybody is attainable except Guardiola. I’d rather Nicky Butt be in charge. All most of us want entertaining attacking football.

14 Mar 2018 18:09:51
I would probably be leaning towards the calm, give him another season, side of this debate. But those post match comments were more offensive than the pathetic effort shown on the pitch. If he'd had come out angry, complaining, shouting or even upset, I'd have written the whole experience off, said he needs time, and not been left so angry.

I'm genuinely astonished that he'd come out with those comments and surprised I haven't seen more shock in the media.

14 Mar 2018 18:17:07
I also think we are punching above our weight in the league, it's only hear say but would we be in the top 4 if it wasn't for ddg.

14 Mar 2018 21:38:16
Where would spurs be with out Kane, Barcelona Messi etc.

14 Mar 2018 21:36:31
12, that's a different attitude to what you bring to our site. I have your card marked. Lol.

14 Mar 2018 22:11:21
Good point jr3e. Steve say nothing.

14 Mar 2018 16:43:49
I've now had time to digest Jose press conference.

His comments about him knocking Utd out of the CL are just bizarre and honestly I find them rather insulting.

His Madrid team contained one of the best players to have ever graced the game and they were heading out but for an apparition from the referee who deemed it appropriate to send Nani off for a high boot. Until that moment his Madrid team had been out fought and out played by an arguably inferior Utd team.

His Porto team now renowned for his infamous touch line celebration needed a last minute reprieve from a goal keeping blunder to see him progress. This was despite a perfectly legitimate Scholes goal behind wrongly ruled offside. But for a fortunate last minute equaliser that would have seen us play in our 8th successive champions league quarter final.

If VAR was available then surely Nani's red card would have changed to yellow and Scholes goal would have rendered Porto's last minute equaliser meaningless and Jose would probably have been eliminated on both occasions.

To suggest Utd are accustomed to early CL exits is nonsense. In the past decade Utd have won the competition once, reached the final twice and the semis on at least another occasion if my memory serves me correctly. This is despite not even qualifying for the competition in two of the last 4 years and the Club being thrown into turmoil since the retirement of Fergi.

In any case the two victories in which Jose appeared to brag were more down to good luck rather than good judgement and Utd didn't turn in anything like the cowardly and insipid display we witnessed last night.

I'm not sure what point he was trying to make but to alienate the fans after such a dreadful performance compounded his poor judgement as much as his team selection.

I'm so confused right now I don't even know what point I'm trying to make.

Sorry the the frequency and length of my drivel today but it's beats sitting in a darkened room and talking to myself.

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14 Mar 2018 17:02:24
Jose has won 2 of his last 10 games in the knock out stages of the CL.

It's not great and you do wonder if football has moved on .
Can Jose take us to the next level .

14 Mar 2018 17:16:42
Jred - I honestly don't know pal. Up until last night I was right behind him and I'm loathed to write him off based on one performance but it was that bad last night I'm still livid nearly 24 hours later. It was a real water shed moment for me. Where was the courage, bravery on the ball, intensity in our play?

Maybe once the dust has settled I can be more objective and may be even embarrassed by my own over reaction given I've always backed him but I'm struggling to process it all today. It was the nature of the defeat that hurt the most as I think we've got some really talented players. Maybe Ken is right and most of the players are simply not good enough. I just don't know!

{Ed025's Note - one thing is for certain danny last night was unacceptable and its pot as if it was a one off, i would say his time is up mate..

14 Mar 2018 17:34:00
Sanchez was world class only 2 month ago?
Pogba a future European footballer of the year when we bought him .

Do you not think last night was a lot like watching Chelsea before Jose got sacked?

14 Mar 2018 17:34:55
Great post Danny. Jred I would I agree that football has moved on. He is still deploying the same tactics that has brought him so much success. And some would argue why change when it’s brought him so much success. But that’s why Fergie had such longevity at the top. He changed his coaching staff consistently and hired the top coaches at the time so that he would not go by the way side like Wenger and dare I say Jose. It was only when pep came that I think Fergie knew he couldn’t compete. What I’m saying is in anything you have to adapt and change to the circumstances Of your environment. It’s like when the internet was invented and a company decides it won’t use it to set up a website so people can order online. Eventually your competitors will overtake you. It’s all ego with Jose unfortunately. I don’t think he can take us to the next level. We may get second and may win the FA Cup but for me it papers over the cracks if we play negatively to get there.

14 Mar 2018 22:22:33
Do you think he should be sacked jred?


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