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03 Dec 2018 19:58:54
Can anyone clear up, would a reason for not sacking the manager whether it be jose or anyone else to do with the payoff? I see it branded about so much its about the payoff, does anyone know?

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03 Dec 2018 20:37:16
I doubt it’s a deciding factor.

03 Dec 2018 21:46:00
It is only speculation

However from the outside the club seems driven by finance and the ever burgeoning list of money spinning sponsors. Moyes and LvG were sacked after they failed to make top 4 with widespread speculation that there was a contract clause meaning the club had to pay out less. If profit and asset value is such a significant driving force then it will lead to such speculation.

04 Dec 2018 00:13:50
I don't believe the'payoff' is a deciding factor.
Its a pretty dire situation. Unforrunatly jose's position is becoming insufferable.
We should be doing better than we are but the blame does not fall on his shoulders alone. But he will be the fall guy in all likelihood.
Personally i'd rather get rid of 8 or 9 players in jan and go with the rest plus the youth. At least that way the new manager will start with a clean slate.

04 Dec 2018 06:29:58
Spot on again, Ken.

04 Dec 2018 10:24:58
Is it difficult to be in Jose position imagining the Board and the players are not supportive of what he wants?

05 Dec 2018 07:49:35
I feel we are at a point where we need to get rid of both the manager and a portion of the playing staff.
We shouldn’t stand for a manager with a philosophy so far remote from our core values of entertaining and promoting from within but we also can‘t tolerate such player power.

The big question for me is in which order to do that.
Do you get rid of the players first to show who is in charge or rid of the manager first to keep the players in line with the playing style the club wants to see?

Quite a pickle to be honest.

But doing neither is certainly not the solution.

03 Dec 2018 16:20:20
I was 8 years Old playing for my school team in cotton T-shirts when One my friends Dad came to watch School games wearing a Red Jersey with Beckham Written on it.
Later i spoke to my friend saying your dad's T-Shirt was Awesome.
He said its of a player who scored from Half way and plays for Manchester United, they are currently the best team in England.

I was like, how can i watch this team play as we didn't have a Television set, i told my dad about this and he was like we'll buy a TV soon.
For Two years my dad saved money to buy a second hand Television, i don't remember which was the first game i saw, but ever since that day
i have hardly missed any game. The more i saw the more i fell in love with this team.
We never lost a game, we just ran out of time, the belief of never losing a game was always there in sight.
This club had everything that a Kid looks out for when he is growing up.
Had some really wonderful moments as a Fan and things are really tough these days but nothings going to change our love for this team.
Just need to remember why we started loving this team so much.

Are all the stories enough for my Kid to follow the same love as i do, we will rise back from where we are and get on top soon?

I am already ready with the stories anyways :P

Busby babes.

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03 Dec 2018 17:53:26
We were bound to experience a down patch.

ED002 warned us that we might have to expect not qualifying for European football.

As a fan, I realise we have been spoilt we the success we've had under SAF.

Onwards and forwards (backwards for now) . It's like trying to hold onto a mechanical bull ;)

03 Dec 2018 20:13:57
Becks58

I started supporting in August 68, I don’t remember anything before that. For years until 1976 I lived off stories of the Babes, the greatness of Charlton Law Best and Edwards. The TV was black and white and there were no Premier League years to reminisce on. I watched the fading glory of the three greatest players of the era. I watched Charlton retire, Law go to City, I was there when Law backheeled in 74, I was there one day to see Georgie walk on the pitch. It was all downhill, yet my late brother assured me things would get better. I trusted him like your lad will trust you. It was a badge of honour to support when we were garbage, to live through times when City and Liverpool were better. Keep the faith and he will.

03 Dec 2018 21:50:07
Brilliant little post red man, that's what a supporter does.

03 Dec 2018 22:55:08
Beck's I can't get my head around you hadn't a TV untill 1998,
Now I know things can be hard for some families and I can identify with that, and I'm not in any way judging you or anyone i'm not in to that sort of things.
By the way I remember watching that goal like it was yesterday, you just knew a good player had to come out of that moment.

04 Dec 2018 08:52:58
Leahy12, yeah everyone has hard times but we fight through it. That's what we do at UTD.

04 Dec 2018 11:18:15
Great stories! Mine is less interesting but still my story. I was about 11 years (93/ 94) when going for a long drive with my folks and the radio station was tuned into a Utd game. Had no idea who we were playing and all i knew about Utd was it is a football team. All i kept hearing on the radio was Keane this and Keane that (wins the ball, what a tackle etc) and then a name i found funny at that age, 'Butt gets the ball' 'what a pass by Butt'. Utd won the match dominantly and I started asking my folks about utd during that drive but they were not of much help, so i started reading about the team, watching highlights of matches because we hardly ever got live games at that time in my neck of the woods. But i will never forget that radio commentary and how that got me hooked to this great team!

03 Dec 2018 12:42:26
Is pogba out with a virus for Wednesday🤔.

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03 Dec 2018 13:03:27
Ya a virus that he can't pass, on. 😚.

03 Dec 2018 18:09:33
This virus is a strange one, as it only occurs for a short period, when he loses the ball on a football pitch. It makes him feel like his feet are stuck to the floor. He has to look up to the sky or fall down on the floor, to relieve the pain. He literally cannot move his legs to run another inch for about ten seconds after losing the ball.

03 Dec 2018 22:44:54
Can't pass anything on, including a football.

03 Dec 2018 11:03:28
So Saints have sacked Hughes (after a miserable draw with United :P) . We should also act now.

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03 Dec 2018 11:21:50
Thats what you get nowadays, don't beat utd you get the rodney jack.

03 Dec 2018 11:45:42
I think it's because his team let Lukaku score against them.
Now I don't even care about the table anymore. I just want to see if these same players can perform better under some other manager at United. The players look confused about their role whether they should press or sit back.

03 Dec 2018 12:42:30
Some of these players didn't perform under moyes or van gaal and haven't under Jose. What makes you think they will under another manager.

03 Dec 2018 12:48:45
Obvious decision - if they don't beat us they are not going to beat anyone!
Bit of hyperbole perhaps, but so near the truth that it is really painful.

03 Dec 2018 13:54:52
Mort, the truth right there.

03 Dec 2018 14:44:20
Mort which players are these? Mourinho picks the team can't blame the players when manager keeps picking players who have been here before him rather than his own signings.

03 Dec 2018 15:05:49
Can't blame the players because the manager picks them?

03 Dec 2018 15:26:47
CSM it’s a combination of both the players and the manager. Not saying Jose is right but in your eyes everything is jose’s Fault. The vast majority agree that Jose is not performing at all but your agenda is personal. At least attempt to be objective instead of blaming every single thing on the manager. It’s not jose’s Fault that pogba keeps losing the ball in dangerous areas and then saunters around the pitch expecting others to win it back. There comes a point where the players have to take a real hard look at themselves and take responsibility for their lack of effort and desire. Yes Jose is at fault for continuously playing matic, smalling and mctominay whilst the likes of fred pereira and bailly don’t get a sniff. But some of these players need to take ownership because they have failed under more than one manager.

03 Dec 2018 15:44:14
C'mon park Unai Emery has been at Arsenal for well over 5 months now and he's already shown clear identity and a fantastic style of play, something Jose Mourinho has failed at in 3 years at Man United lol.

03 Dec 2018 16:14:39
Angel if manager keeps picking matic ahead of everyone else, keeps picking Lukaku over other, keeps picking smalling and jones ahead of his own signings. There comes a point where poor performance isn't player's fault anymore. It is the manager's blindness that's the problem.

Park we are 8th with a negative good and are miles off top position, while I see mourinho's counterparts managing to improve likes of delph and henderson mourinho has managed to get even ddg to regress a little. It is not all his fault but nearly 90% is his, name 1 player he has improved for us, just 1. 400mn spent and your most successful signing was a free agent. rubbish performances and unwanted records that even moyes failed to break being broken.

Players are to an extent at fault but why are the same players who look pathetic for us look good for their NT's and it isn't just 1 player. Pogba seems to play well for france so does lukaku yet they look hopeless at utd. Maybe it is down to the team that surrounds them yet the same phenomenon seems to repeat itself with lingard and rashford too both look miles better in the english shirt than they do in ours, is England a worldclass team filled with worldclass talent.

When an individual underperforms maybe the individual is at fault, but when everyone under the manager underperform i don't see a point in blaming the players.

03 Dec 2018 16:35:32
Course we can blame players. Half of them either aren't good enough or don't try. And that's been the same under 3 managers. I want Jose gone but its simplistic to lay all the blame on one person.

03 Dec 2018 18:05:05
Again Mort what half? Right now only smalling, Jones, young, Valencia and ddg remain off those who played under all 3. Mourinho chooses to play smalling and Jones ahead of his own signing, only 1 of young or valencia plays unless shaw is unavailable. Also out of smalling and Jones only smalling can be considered a regular starter, are they the reason why we are where we are.

03 Dec 2018 18:09:07
Kopite and CSM

If you both read any of my previous posts You will see I want Jose gone and have praised the likes of emery on the great impact he has made in a such short time. All I’m simply saying is the players are to blame as well. They don’t deserve to had a free ride and for the manager to take all the blame. But yes Jose is a massive issue and he needs to go.

03 Dec 2018 18:26:11
Noooooo not yet park! I hope he stays as long as possible😊.

03 Dec 2018 22:08:13
And of those 5 to have played under all 3 only one is worth keeping. The number of players worth keeping is probably around 10.

04 Dec 2018 05:44:06
So didn't Fellaini and mata play under all 3 as well then?

04 Dec 2018 08:14:31
Pereira, Lingard, Rashford (though not initially in the first team until LVG) McTominay we’re all at the club.
Shaw, Fellaini, Mata, Rojo, all arrived in 2014.
So it’s more than just 5 players.

03 Dec 2018 10:44:48
Hi boys,

Big game on Wednesday. Let's hope it's a cracker and you don't park the bus.

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03 Dec 2018 11:18:22
Top 6 clubs won't trouble us much, its the bottom half teams that we need to worry about.

03 Dec 2018 11:18:59
Malaga, I think we will do you 2-0,
The team talk will be, come on lads it's only arsenal. i'm going to have a small bet on the 2 0.
I have a good feeling in my water we will do. You lot.

03 Dec 2018 12:19:56
i had that same feeling Leahy, but it was just a water infection.

03 Dec 2018 16:35:52
Honestly I think three nil. To them.

03 Dec 2018 22:35:41
Haha leahy

I think it will be a draw.

03 Dec 2018 10:05:00
Mark Hughes is Sacked after managing just a draw against united :P.

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03 Dec 2018 10:36:15
It was a poor result for Sotton against a very poor UNITED.

03 Dec 2018 11:04:39
Very telling isn't it?

03 Dec 2018 08:24:38
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always.
I've really enjoyed reading the site over the past 2 weeks. Ed002, a special thanks to you for providing more info on the EW JM situation - that is exactly the type of clarity people really appreciate and love the site for.

In the eyes of the owners, who would be the person (s) of fault here? Is their football knowledge savvy enough? Is it possible that EW could be sacked and JM given more time to work under DoF? I would love to see JM given another year at the club with a much improved setup in terms of support.

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Review Of The Day 3rd December 2018

03 Dec 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 3rd December 2018

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02 Dec 2018 20:26:21
Our manager stepped 2 feet out o f his technical area against Southampton last season sent straight to the stands,
Klopp runs on to the pitch to celebrate with his keeper, what happens, nothing.

{Ed002's Note - Get out of the blame culture man.}

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02 Dec 2018 21:03:26
I ain't blaming anyone man. It's exactly what happened, klopp could drive his vauxhall on to the pitch.

02 Dec 2018 22:29:37
Those grapes a bit sour?!

02 Dec 2018 23:32:29
I bet you wish Klopp was driving his Vauxhall into your Managers parking space. 😂.

03 Dec 2018 05:51:34
There's no sour grapes here, Klopp hasn't won anything yet and Liverpool have hardly been saturated with success for a long time but Leahy is right Mourinho is treated somewhat differently than other managers.

{Ed001's Note - that is not true. Jose gets extra punishments usually because he has a suspended punishment hanging over his head for a previous offence. He gets away with things the first time too, but then he just does it again and so suffers. Jose is his own worst enemy as he constantly pushes the boundaries and limits of the rules and, when he is warned, he just ignores the warning.}

03 Dec 2018 06:39:11
Probably has something to do with the fact that when mourinho did it the ball was still in play, whereas klopp did it after a goal.

Anyone remember sir alex after bruces header against Sheffield Wednesday.

No need for the conspiracy theories on this one.

03 Dec 2018 10:46:11
Completely agree Leahy. We ask for consistency with the application of rules on the pitch and should expect the same off it too. It was completely inappropriate by Klopp and totally disrespectful to Everton.

03 Dec 2018 12:24:50
If Jose did that after a last-minute winner against Liverpool, I'd have been cheering him on. It's an emotional game. He knew he was wrong after, but totally understandable imo.

03 Dec 2018 12:46:25
United fans would be cheering him on 99 but everyone else would be saying, you can't do that it's disrespectful, probably the fa would ban him, maybe Jose should smile more often and show his pearly whites then he might get away with it.

03 Dec 2018 15:09:22
I agree, there's little consistency Leahy. Still totally understand him doing it, tho. The games getting more and more sterilized.

02 Dec 2018 18:42:01
Waiting until we can't make top four will cost us money from Sponsors, champions league and still have to pay Jose, it makes no sence sack him now and may be we get champions league make more Spence financially.

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02 Dec 2018 20:21:56
Something needs to happen, I thought arsenal would go backwards a few years but it just goes to show a few good signings and a good manager can make all the difference,
We need to start again, it hasn't worked for Jose.

02 Dec 2018 20:43:02
Leahy

You are missing the point, the transition seems to have been handled professionally, it appears well planned and thought out. That is the difference, Arsenal didn’t appoint the wrong one after Wenger, we did, then followed it up with another error. You went straight to Jose with your point.

02 Dec 2018 21:04:07
Sorry redman your right there to be fair.

02 Dec 2018 21:47:26
Leahy

No problem.

What I can’t understand is that, put myself in Woodwards shoes, I spend time with Gill and SAF before taking over, I get advice and I would have made a plan how things will move forward, be aware the loss of Gill is massive, the loss of Gill and SAF unbelievable so need to plan well and lead through such a change. It would be on my watch so it needs to be carefully planned. I just don’t get the total disorder that has followed these last 5& a half years. Arsenal may or may not have the right manager but it is a far far better effort than our first two after SAF.

03 Dec 2018 10:40:22
Manchester United hired 3 wrong managers to make to transition. Mourinho maybe came in a very wrong time, but he hasn't done anything to help himself so far.

 


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