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Review Of The Day 18th April 2019

18 Apr 2019 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th April 2019

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18 Apr 2019 06:27:55
Thanks for the Replies to my post re the knee jerk of appointing Ole, but I think some have missed my main point. It wasn’t to suggest Ole won’t be successful, or to suggest that Allegri, or Poch, or anyone else would have been.

The issue is the complete lack of the thorough process that was promised. “A caretaker manager will be appointed until the end of the season while the club conducts a thorough recruitment process for a new, full-time manager.

It doesn’t seem that happened and it’s stunning that Woody can make that statement and then rip it up after a good run. It may have been Ole, it may have been someone else but a thorough process was promised and that didn’t happen.

I fully expect Garth Bale to arrive or some other big name as that feels like something Woody would jump at. Let’s remember he made a pitch to Klopp describing United as an adult version of Disneyland. There are a lot of things need fixing at our club but Woody making footballer is by far the biggest for me.

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18 Apr 2019 06:54:28
*football decisions*.

{Ed001's Note - he would probably make a better footballer.....}

18 Apr 2019 07:10:38
Im always sceltical how many decisions woody actually makes, there people like richard arnold, matt judge who also have key parts to play.

Most likely collective incompetence as opposed to woody just messing everything up.

18 Apr 2019 07:40:09
I can't help thinking we have missed out on poch, gets a bit of stick on here but I see him as the next top manager .
Brave decision in a lot of ways to go with ole, he made a very good claim for the job but it was the timing that I found strange .

But ole has picked up 38 points from 16 league games compared to 26 from our previous 17 he does maybe deserve his chance.

18 Apr 2019 07:49:45
Absolutely agree with you AJH, Ole might be a success in future but to appoint someone manager because they beat a bunch of relegation candidates and lucked out against PSG is just plain stupid, but then again the guy who made this decision was Ed Woodward so stupid is par for the course.

I doubt it DSG, I wanted mourinho sacked after the sevilla game and did not agree with many of his decisions but a corporate hack who has never kicked a ball or has had anything to do with football most of his life telling a manager who has won everything there is to win who to sell and who to buy is the height of ego and incompetence and none of those people you mentioned did it, those were woodward's decisions.

18 Apr 2019 08:30:37
Give ole a pre season and give him the players he wants that fit the way he wants to play.

We have seen it a few times how he wants a high quick press.

But the players we have don't fit that style it's going to take at least 2 seasons of getting the right players in.

If we are all complaining about a plan and that we don't have any sense of direction we can't moan and demand a new manager when it gets tough.

3 other managers couldn't get these players to perform consistently we have to give ole and the staff time


As much as it hurts to see city and liverpool doing what they are doing they didn't do it in 1 season


Its practically took city 10 years go get here. Liverpool 3 years ago were poor.

Now is the time for patience. you never know the players we hopefully sign in the summer could take us where we want.

18 Apr 2019 09:40:07
The manager picks the team deals with all sorts of periphery but ultimatly its the players who do or do not perform. Would spurs have won last nite if OGS was manager or would we have beaten Barce with poch in charge is unknown and vastly irrelevant when talking about the success of a club or analysing a season. We have a manager for the next 3 year, a massive first window and a close season to work harder. We'll then see if the squad an compete next season.

18 Apr 2019 09:45:39
Problem is all Ole talks about is life under the Fergie days. Utd won't move on until that chapter is laid to rest and a new chapter is started. Ole won't see out his 3 years as he keeps harking on about the past.

18 Apr 2019 10:12:52
sukhyria i think he's just trying to go back to traditions

you can have a club ran the same way for 26 plus years and then it all go to pot.

hes trying to go back to what worked.

this all started as soon as moyes got rid of all the backroom staff.

18 Apr 2019 11:14:48
Good post Tony. I’ve always been firmly in the Poch camp. Even when he went through a poor spell I still wanted him. However, ole did do fantastically well. The wheels have fallen off a bit but it’s very clear this squad needs investment. He deserves the chance to try and get us to where we need to be. If, as ed said, we do bring in 5 players, then ole will have no excuses. If we can bring in some shrewd signings and play the sort of football we were playing earlier, I think there is cause for optimism. This is not a quick fix. And there are some fans who have absolutely zero patience. We are very far off and it won’t be fixed over night. Let’s get behind the team and see where we end up.

18 Apr 2019 11:20:59
and i hope we don't go for bale.

we have enough sick notes earning over the odds.

19 Apr 2019 12:40:48
I find it funny that people say a process was not followed. You or I have no idea how much analysis went into how ever many prospective candidates there were. Just because it might not have been made public doesn’t mean that it did not happen.

17 Apr 2019 23:54:10
Assessment of the squad

GK

DDG demanding too high a wage, sell while we can

Romero good enough to be first choice for a season or 2

Henderson good enough for back up/ cup matches, maybe he will prove himself to be our first choice in the long term

LB

Shaw has played well when fit this season

Young needs to leave

Competition needed for Shaw. Tierney, a united fan, worth a shout

RB

Dalot has potential, good going forwards needs to improve defensively

Valencia leaving

A seasoned pro needed whilst Dalot develops. Wan Bissaka seems popular but think he might block Dalot progression. Meunier (sp) at 27 seems a better fit

CB

Lindelof has progressed well

Rojo, Smalling, Jones, TFM not good enough let them go

Tuanzebe deserves a chance in the squad

Bailey started well, struggled this season, give him a chance to prove himself next season as back up CB

Need an experienced head. Alderwield for 25m seems the obvious choice so long as wage demands are reasonable

Also need 1 more in the squad. Promote the best youth prospect or bring in Ruben Dias or Milenkovic

DM

Matic can do a job but past his best. given the overhaul needed keep him for 1 more season

Bring in Neves from Wolves, think I favour him over Rice

CM

Pogba needs to go whilst we can sell him, if he runs his contract down, again, we will have to pay him crazy money or lose him for nothing, again

Herrera going

Fred back up

Mctominay squad player, maybe between now and the end of the season he claims a starting position

Pereira back up

Saul in to replace Pogba

Milenkovic savic to replace Herrera, not had a great season so maybe his price will be more reasonable

Promote Garner to gain experience in cup matches

LW

Martial if we could get decent money for him I'd let him go. Has the talent but not the work rate

Sanchez think we are stuck with him on crazy wages, use as back up

Replace Martial with Ryan Sessegnon from Fulham

RW

Mata going

Lingard seems to have struggled this season, use as back up

Sancho from Dortmund, we will get fleeced but he has talent

Promote Chong to use in cup games

CF

Rashford United through and through, great work rate needs to really work on his finishing to become top class, also needs talking to about his wage demands not unreplaceable

Lukaku good to have a big man as a different option upfront if a good offer came in for him I'd let him go and replace him with a cheaper option on lower wages who is happy to not be first choice

Promote Greenwood

Is there a question mark over our coaching? When did we last sign a player and improve them?

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18 Apr 2019 00:19:49
Would love us to sign KT and think he would be better than Shaw in no time. Stretch to call him a Utd fan though, he is categorically a Celtic fan and that would make it difficult to get him.

18 Apr 2019 07:25:40
Interesting I agree with all of that except Bailly, he’s part of the problem in the dressing room imo.

The difficulty is this isn’t footy manager so we can’t just choose who comes and goes, but we definitely need some fresh ideas and to rid the poisonous and lazy attitude from the club.

Meunier is a great shout we need that experience, along with someone like Toby, two players there who will instantly improve our solidity while Tuanzebe and Dalot develop, and I think Dalot will make it. He works hard and has good attributes to his game. I’m not a fan of short term fixes but our defence is the exception. It needs improving right now, not in three years.

18 Apr 2019 08:07:30
Agreed with all
But, although I would also sell martial, if we could get another talented out and out LW, if it was Ryan sessegnon I'd be fuming. That would show what a joke we are.
I'd get rid of martial and lukaku. Go for ziyech and son if we popped spurs for champions league. Offer them martial if needs be.

18 Apr 2019 09:54:46
That's 8 new players which isn't going to happen way quickly. However this is the sort of analysis Ole needs to do and Woody needs to execute.

18 Apr 2019 12:39:04
It ain't that easy to sell on football manager now. But agree with that. I'd sell Bailly as well. Maybe stagger it all over two seasons.

17 Apr 2019 23:49:47
Many people on this site want Pogba Sold as he doesn't do much on the Pitch and are in love with our Academy Lads.
Pogba has 13 goals this season and 9 assists, has highest number of attempts on goal (93) second best is not even close,
where as our very own Academy lad is at 10 goals ( Chris Wood, Joshua King, Ashley Barnes, Glenn Murray have scored equal/ more number of goals) and still doesn't get
enough criticism.
Rashford (along with Lukaku) has missed 14 big chances this season, till when are we going to fool ourselves in the name of "He is one of our own".
We need to changes are glasses.

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18 Apr 2019 07:27:39
Becks58, Pogba has been discussed so many times over here.

13 goals, 9 assists - in how many games? And how many games has he gone missing or being pretty average?
Highest number of attempts - how many of them actually made the opposition GK sweat? How many of them had been on target? For a player of his quality, his shooting has been pretty poor.

How are you even comparing Pogba with academy lads? Pogba, a player deemed to be world class, won titles with Juventus and a world cup winner and yet fails to live up to the hype.

I agree both Rashford and Lukaku have missed crucial chances and deserve criticism. But, you need to remember Rashford is still young and in the development phase and to be fair, he gives his 100% in games unlike Pogba who just strolls around in most games and plays only when he wants to.

There is a saying "Hardwork overtakes talent if talent fails to work hard" and that's the case with Pogba. What's the use of all that talent when you can't use it and moreover he is 26, has experience but yet fails to deliver consistently.

18 Apr 2019 08:22:00
Aren't 8 of his goals penalties? :-P while they're also goals, it puts things into perspective, no?

18 Apr 2019 08:46:21
Very true and taken penalties into account makes his stats much poorer.

18 Apr 2019 10:57:17
He could be the most productive player in we've ever had and it wouldn't matter - if he doesn't want to be here he's not worth having.

18 Apr 2019 19:39:09
Without him we would not even be in contention for top 6, let alone top 4.

18 Apr 2019 19:49:12
Becks, take your posters down, he has been bang average for most games.

17 Apr 2019 22:49:28
You would assume he got the job early to try and get players sorted for next season, find out who he wants in and out and start the work early. Get them in early and get a good preseason in together to allow a good start next season. It made a lot of sense really, to start the business now of trying get players in and sold early in the window.

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17 Apr 2019 23:17:29
The problem is though, he seems quite indecisive. The PSG second leg he left Bailey at RB getting slaughtered. He only took him off because he was injured. The first leg against Barcelona, Young had possibly the worst game iv seen someone have in a long time. He didn't make a change. His form has been dreadful yet he plays every game.

We need goals in the second leg, he sits on his hands until the 71st minute. Every time the camera panned to Ole he was asking phelan for advice.

I hope Ole realises that this squad needs a serious upheaval. No loyalty to players he used to manage ie Lingard, Pogba. He needs to realise that if he doesn't put his own spin on this squad quickly, then he's out of a job come December, never to return to the big time again.

I honestly hope he rips this team up and brings in fresh hungry players with the squad complimented with players from the youth team. No one is expected to win the league next season, we just want to be entertained and then slowly build a championship winning team.

18 Apr 2019 14:35:35
Mumbles,

How do you know he was asking Phelan for advice? Can you lip read?

Also, so what if he was, he is his assistant, that is what they are there for, advice.

Strange thing to have a go at him for.

17 Apr 2019 22:45:14
Wait for the outcry for Poch now.

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17 Apr 2019 23:46:39
Why not. It was a huge mistake if he wasn't contacted.

What a really good manager he is, not a penny spent in the summer and winter and ko'd a side that spends 250m+ on the defence alone. unreal.

If he was attainable which i doubt he was, and he wasn't contacted then it just shows how this club handles business on the footballing side.

18 Apr 2019 11:00:29
The outcome last night is irrelevant - waiting till the summer and seeing if we could get Poch was undoubtedly the right decision in my mind. On the off chance Ole's United were really good up to the end of the season we could have then offered the job to him. Instead we won the race against nobody to get Ole in for the job. If somehow long term it works then great - but it would be sheer dumb luck from the decision makers and the methodology to get there was terrible. Shambles all round.

18 Apr 2019 23:23:23
Think you missed that boat lad.

19 Apr 2019 14:35:23
RR there is no way you can know that.

17 Apr 2019 22:07:21
You do have to wonder about Woody. ‘A thorough process’ we were told, a good run and suddenly Ole is appointed. Since then it has looked less than rosy and yes, I know we have a lot of player business to do both in and out.

Yet look at Spurs tonight, Poch may never have won a trophy but he continues to impress. Was he considered? Was anyone considered? What thorough process was undertaken? I love Ole and I was caught up in the rush to appoint him but actually cool heads were needed and we didn’t get that, we got the easy decision, one of our own, who made an immediate impression, what could possibly go wrong?

I hope Ole can rise to the challenge, right place and right time and so on but there was no thorough process. The biggest club in the world did not undertake any sort of process, amazing that we continue to knee jerk from Manager to Manager. No other business would accept a CEO making it up as he goes along. Stunning.

{Ed0333's Note - why you gave an interim manager the job before his contract was up I will never know? Oh I knew why because all his ex United playmates in the media clamored for him to get the job so they could waltz round Old Trafford once more like they owned the place. It’s crazy how a club of you’re stature made this appointment. You missed out on Allegri because of dissenting voices and for sure missed out on Poch if he was ever viable. Point is OGS is not the answer and you’ll be looking for a new savior soon.

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17 Apr 2019 22:22:07
At the time it seemed like the right thing to do, to kinda put to bed all the uncertainty and start adequately planning for the next season. But now it kinda seems foolhardy and near-sighted. Its a fickle business, football.

17 Apr 2019 22:23:10
There were lots on here who didn't want poch when spurs had a tough time. Personally I feel we've made a big mistake in not trying to get him.

17 Apr 2019 22:26:01
How do you know allergi would have been a hit?

Ole deserved the job it's the his fault the players are rubbish and can't last a full 90 minutes of working hard and playing for the shirt.


Fergie would struggle to get these lot winning we have average players why people think any different amazes me.

17 Apr 2019 22:29:53
Im sure poch was considered but the board probably thought the fans would be up in arms if ole didn't get the job after psg especially.

Most people on here derided pochs lack of silverware, it would be very ironic if he then went on to win the champions league.

{Ed0333's Note - and how many titles has Ole and his bus won?

17 Apr 2019 22:34:21
deserved the job on that basis so did moyes then. he will be back in molde end of next season whilst we look for another manger.

{Ed0333's Note - how can he deserve the Job a few months into an interim contract? Surely the decision should have been made at the end of the season?

17 Apr 2019 22:35:16
Ed, i think you mistook my point as some sort of slight against poch and his lack of achievements, was actually trying to make the opposite point.

{Ed0333's Note - No mate I was actually trying to endorse you’re point but I’ve been laughing so hard since City lost tonite I can’t edit and articulate to my usual high standards lol. I echo you’re point about people damning Poch about being trophyless yet you appoint a player whose in exactly the same boat with even less experience. This is Man United we’re talking about. I really can’t believe Fergie let this happen.

17 Apr 2019 22:39:10
There is no doubt ole is high risk considering his experience if somehow we can scrape into the top 4 i think he stands a good chance if he is allowed to dismantle the squad and get his new ones in early to allow for a good pre season.
If we can do as ed002 has set out on the rumour page then he can start to build a proper team and drag us back from the depths of mediocrity.
If he can work some magic or find a way to get top 4 coupled with a clearout the future looks a lot brighter imo.
If we miss out on top 4 i effect pogba and ddg to push for moves which might mean a completely different approach to the summer window.
Im backing sanchez to come good in the next 5 games. It might earn him a move away😂.

{Ed0333's Note - I’F my wife was more understanding and reasonable towards the amount of football and American wrestling I watch I’d buy her a diamond necklace.

17 Apr 2019 22:47:24
Regardless what any of us think ole is the manager and he deserves the summer to work with the players and to change the team to his way then he can be judged.


We will end up 6th come the end of the season and back to Thursdays and sundays.

17 Apr 2019 22:51:46
said the same ed should have wated till summer to see were we wear at this rate woody will be spending more on managers than players.

{Ed0333's Note - that’s quite funny mate. Not beyond the realms of possibility tho.

17 Apr 2019 22:56:41
Hi ed0333 well done to your boys tonight and to poch and spurs.
Ed from the outset i said if we won a cup or got top 4 regardless of anything else ole would have earned the job.
He was appointed too early and the players slipped back into the comfort zone.
I think its a very high risk appointment we can only hope that he can learn quickly and starry the season well next season.

{Ed0333's Note - thanks for the congrats Ken much appreciated. I think Ole and his coach is as high risk as you can get and if I’m being honest I don’t see it being successful. He needs a stellar No 2 because I think Ole’s tactics are not gonna win you silverware regardless of how many superstars you sign. Saying that hope you get that Portuguese fella Fernandes really wanna see him in the Premiership.

17 Apr 2019 23:14:53
What a game it was today. I am rooting for tottenham vs liverpool final but i reckon Messi might be a bit too much but i really hope its an Liverpool vs Tottenham final.

I like both the teams managers and can't stand City or Barcelona winning it.

17 Apr 2019 23:08:54
Agree with you ed.

{Ed0333's Note - why Thankyou kind Sir or Madam.

17 Apr 2019 23:55:32
AJH,

That looks like one of my posts

Sentimentality and that will also cause real heartache should Ole have to be dismissed. A poor start next season and he could well be under pressure by Christmas.

17 Apr 2019 23:35:33
Ed to be honest i'm not looking to sign superstars at all mate.
I would like to see one or 2 experienced top players for sure but also young talented hungry players with a desire to succeed and improve.
The squad attitude and application is rotten to the core out needs ripping apart.
Totally agree with you I surrounding himself with the right staff. i'd put a fitness coach and technical coach just as high on the list.

{Ed0333's Note - and a Style coach because he’s no pep is he that Ole! You will sign some expensive players mate no doubt.

17 Apr 2019 22:05:00
poch could o on and win a big trophy for his first.

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17 Apr 2019 22:48:41
Agree with the theme of the above posts.

There is no rational to the decisions that EW makes. It’s just make it up as you go along.

I don’t think Utd had any real chance of getting Poch as the compensation would of been massive. Like having to sign an expensive player. Not a lot of point trying to do business with Levy.

That’s not an excuse for singing Ole as there should of been other candidates.

I wouldn’t have so much of a problem having Ole if we had a DoF in place to work with him. Also I like Phelan but would of preferred an experienced tactical coach alongside Ole.

17 Apr 2019 20:24:03
Hi ed002 thanks for the summary below.
This would be a very large overhaul in 1 window. Do you know if the club have the appetite to have so much churn?

{Ed002's Note - The plan is to bring in about five players.}

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17 Apr 2019 20:45:29
That would be great and with a couple of promotions from within if we can find buyers that could allow for most or all the outs you have mentioned.
Thanks for the response ed002.

17 Apr 2019 21:00:25
Music to my ears.
Hopefully they are players that are fitted to playing the style we want to play and not just big name mercenaries.
Thanks Ed.

17 Apr 2019 21:12:50
Wan bissaka
Milenkovic
Saul
Bruno Fernandes
Zaha

Would be my 5 if that where to happen.

17 Apr 2019 21:58:51
Centre back, RIght Back, Attacking Midfielder, extremely fast right winger and maybe another midfielder.

17 Apr 2019 19:24:49
Pages have been great today.
Lots of different opinions and views but a full consensus that this squad is not good enough.
Not 1 poster has defended the squad or players.
Some are convinced ole is not the man to take us forward.
Some think ddg should go
Some think pogba should go.
Shappy and united addict are thr new jack and Vera duckeorth🤣🤣🤣

Good debate really good reading and lots of really good posts.
Cheers boys i wish it was like this every day.

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17 Apr 2019 22:21:51
Or the new Ken and Jred?

17 Apr 2019 23:11:45
Perhaps Stevie😂
But its great to see so many differing opinions it just goes to show how hard it is to get right.
As i see it we are commited to martial Lindelof shaw dalot smalling jones jessie rash fred mctom matic from the snr squad plus pogba lukaku and ddg if they are committed to us. The rest is up for grabs. How many of those can we start every week and compete for the major honours.
Bring in 5 good signings to compliment those plus tuanzebe gomes chong garner we could be in good shape.

17 Apr 2019 23:54:12
Ken,

Some may not like it but the club gave in to the players and preferred the sulking players to the last manager. We should have supported the manager last summer but didn’t, then should have sold the sulkers, however surrendered to them. How many times did I say in the last two years that we should never put players over a manager. It may or may not be true but it looks like the players are seen as so financially valuable as an asset they are pandered to. We had a strong manager in Mourinho who would have exited the right ones. Now who knows what will happen.

17 Apr 2019 23:43:36
Watched the U323s put 5 past Newcastle. Chong and Greenwood look head and shoulders above that age group. They have to be blended into the first team squad, and see if they're good enough. Like the look of Laird and Garner as well. As for Tuanzebe, I really haven't seen enough off him, but he seems to be doing well at Villa, and I think this needs to be the season with him, one way or the other. Gomes still looks lively, and you can easily forget how young he is. I think we definitely have at least two of that group good enough to be amalgamated into the first team, and that's not bad going for any top team to be fair.

18 Apr 2019 00:19:59
He obviously wasn't that strong. And Ole's been in 2 minutes. How do we know he's not strong?

18 Apr 2019 23:37:23
Nou,

Anyone who thinks Mourinho isn’t a strong manager is naive at best. The fact is we don’t know whether Ole is strong, we know he plays Ashley Young despite performance levels, he has been sacked by Cardiff, managed a Norwegian team, says he wants to attack but sets up to counter attack. We don’t really know enough, yet appointed him manager, crazy and high risk.

 


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