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12 Aug 2018 09:37:32
Hi all,
Thanks to the Eds as always.
Pogba's comments, thoughts?

{Ed004's Note - They have annoyed me and makes him look unprofessional}

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12 Aug 2018 10:58:46
Agree Ed. If he hadn't played well then would he have come out and said what he said? Almost as if he was motivated to play hard in order to make those comments afterwards.

Jose also complemented him, so let's hope that's the last of it and he maintains those levels of motivation in the next game, and the next etc.

12 Aug 2018 09:43:43
Thanks for the quick response Ed. I totally agree. I was/ probably still am pleased he’s still at the club but to be given the (c) and then speak like that I find really low. I blame his agent for large parts of this situation, but on a personal level and as a captain surely one can conduct themselves more professionally. He didn’t even want to celebrate the goal he scored.

{Ed004's Note - I dont think we will sell him now as we can not replace him. I just hope that over the season they can mend their relationship}

12 Aug 2018 15:39:00
Think it’s inevtiable both go tbh, depending on how successful the season is. If we do lose Pogba, we have to sign SMS to replace him, not sure about Jose. Still, a long time between now and then, anything can happen.

12 Aug 2018 15:42:54
Gone in January I think. We'll come to some sort of arrangement that gives us time to find a replacement.

12 Aug 2018 15:44:08
I think at this point you have to hold on to him simply to not set a precedence. If United sold him now it would set a standard that one could throw their toys out of the pram and get their way.

The comments were very unprofessional, especially after being given the captaincy and the bright comments from Jose. I also fully believe Raiola is part of the problem. Paul’s departure is inevitable, however as I said above it must not be this summer.

12 Aug 2018 08:56:49
ED002 do you see The club selling Pogba to Barcelona before the 31st August.
Do you think its more lokely that he will go in January/ next summer.

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - I am sorry, I don't try and predict the timings of transfers.}

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12 Aug 2018 07:31:38
According to the Guardian, we will appoint a director of football as part of a club restructuring programne and Carrington being expanded. Could one of the eds please help us out and give us some insight into who the club has in mind for this important role, and what when is the likely to happen.

{Ed002's Note - The club could not previously attract the person they wanted - they will look at candidates very carefully. We will have to see who they look to.}

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12 Aug 2018 08:44:06
Thanks ed002 for the update and quick reply.

12 Aug 2018 07:20:14
Eds, a report in the paper today that we want to appoint a director of football. Any truth in this? I know Ed002 previously said our original choice was not interested. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The club will appoint a DoF if the right person can be found.}

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12 Aug 2018 11:24:53
Thanks Ed. Are their any potential candidates who you feel would be a good fit for the club?

{Ed002's Note - There is probably only one option within the club and I don't know if they would look to him, John Murtough. The guy they really wanted is employed elsewhere right now and would likely not welcome an approach or any discussion about the job. If they had looked a few weeks ago and were willing to take a bit of a chance, then Jordi Cruyff would have been, in my view, a good pick - but he has just taken another job. A standout like Rui Costa would be a great solution but again he is in work. So right now they will have a third providing advise and they may well use the third party to assist in the full process.}

12 Aug 2018 15:37:55
Ed002 I love the way you're always in the loop.

And all the other Eds, thanks for accommodating us.

Much love.

12 Aug 2018 15:53:06
Hi ed, was this third party the one that advised them in the summer window?

It sounded as though Jose had his preferred targets and United didn't opt for those as they felt there wasn't enough value.

It's just interesting to know who was giving advice to Ed Woodward assuming that it wasn't Ed making the calls himself. Be really interested to know.

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand your question. There was nobody advising the summer transfers.}

12 Aug 2018 17:29:08
It was a good answer even though you didn't understand the question, thanks ed.

{Ed002's Note - I should say nobody externally.}

12 Aug 2018 19:54:59
Thanks Ed for your thoughts.

14 Aug 2018 07:57:29
Thanks for the info Ed002.

I know you don't like hypothetical situations or "Ifs" but I want to ask if you were to choose a DoF for Manchester United among the available options going forward, who do you think will be better in improving our footballing sphere (pun intended)?

12 Aug 2018 07:44:27
"There are things I can say and there are things that I cannot say, otherwise I will get fined, " he told reporters when asked if he felt comfortable at the club

"When people trust you and have confidence then you are good in your own head, it's going to be easier. "
Pogba
Bit of a player manager tiff?

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12 Aug 2018 09:19:32
Those words could have also been spoken by Shaw, or Martial, or Rashford, or any of the CBs. SAF knew that some needed a stick, some needed a carrot.

{Ed025's Note - but instead some are getting a lot of stick because they are not worth a carrot...sorry just could not resist AJH.. :)

12 Aug 2018 10:42:12
Pogba Just adding fuel to a fire or starting another fire, sorry but the lad brings on criticism himself with his displays and comments like this, no doubt its Jose’s fault Pogba decided to say these words. Wish we’d have got rid, isn’t worth fans saying how great his performances are when actually they are 6/ 10 at best most weeks to justify him, he was let go for a reason and he’s not really improved that much for me, overrated is the exact phrase for Pogba. Wish we’d have gone all out for SMS and let Barcelona deal with his poor ball control, over stretching and falling over in an embarrassing nature to cover up for said control. Some players need a stick, some a carrot and some are just not worth it.

12 Aug 2018 14:49:44
Probably trying to engineer a move to Barca.

Would it be that much of a disaster if he left without replacement? If the Jose / pogba tiff is unrepairable then might be better all around if he goes. And I am a big fan of PP, but he is so flakey mentally that I can't bear watching him fighting jose all season.

Can he listen to criticism and use it to improve, or does he react badly because he already thinks he's the best in the world? Jose's world cup comments were bang on the money.

12 Aug 2018 15:54:22
Really unprofessional comments from Pogba. should keep it shut and keep his head down. If he really wants out, work hard, play well and let raiola do the business and secure a move.

He doesn't help anyone with his immature comments.

12 Aug 2018 07:37:20
Long time reader of the website, very rare poster. Great job by the Eds running this site, thank you!

Paul Pogba needs to shut it now and just get it on with his job. Looks like Mourinho has now extended the olive branch to the players and is willing to stand down in his tiff with the players. Paul Pogba is a very good player with the potential to become a great. But he needs to understand that a lot of football greats put their hands down and worked hard as good professionals to reach where they did. He needs stop being a diva! Gets paid in millions and needs to be pampered by his manager to perform? In any other job, the manager would just tell him to get on with his job. I know what Roy Keane tell him to do.

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Review Of The Day 12th August 2018

12 Aug 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 12th August 2018

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11 Aug 2018 20:15:28
Our club has been at the forefront of the money pursuit ever since it went public back in 1991. And while its true the once primary relationship between the gate and the club's financial well being has been superseded by commercial revenue and TV rights, can it really be said that our club is any more of a commercial whore (as someone below described us) than those who have been less successful at the sponsorship game and are trying to emulate it? And isn't a commercial whore a somewhat redundant concept anyway?

That same person, a fan for 54 years (one less than me) is disgusted at us? It's the worst he's ever known. Really? How about the side that went down to the division 2? Or indeed any of the sides that didn't win the league between 1967 and 1992.

Does our failure to win the league last year, coming second with 80 points, make us a laughing stock? Only if you believe the press. As we all know our success has made us the most hated team in English football, and because of that the pundits just love to take the opportunity to stick the oar in when things aren't going right. You can choose to buy into, or you can choose to ignore it and just support the club, which means supporting the players and the manager not just on the field but off it.

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11 Aug 2018 20:25:29
Superb post mate.

11 Aug 2018 20:34:00
Great post shawthing some of the posts really have been embarrassing.

11 Aug 2018 20:47:53
Spot on mate. You can understand why fans of other teams say we are spoilt. If we feel the team owes us entertainment then we owe them unconditional support through thick and thin.

11 Aug 2018 22:58:04
Spot on Shaw,

Been utterly embarrassed by some of our fans the last few days, people saying I’m ‘deluded’ for having a different opinion, finally a little bit of sanity, I really hope this team proves people wrong.

12 Aug 2018 01:09:20
Not when Pogba has just reignited the flame. What are you doing Paul?

12 Aug 2018 01:29:39
But some people will still not appreciate the club ans the manager.

There is an old saying "The grass is greener on the other side".

12 Aug 2018 06:36:49
Yeah, that's all well and good but the main thing you're failing to recognise is utd have been playing sh*t boring football for a long time now and I'm not prepared to bother with it anymore. I'll come back when the club have a better product to offer me.

12 Aug 2018 07:13:57
Shawthing

You asked whether we were any more of a commercial whore than others. The commerciality was to be expected but under the Plc we were debt free, now we have to pay for loans taken out for the owners to buy the club. The remaining £300m of CLUB debt did not one bit of good to the club. A loan like that could he rebuilt the Soith stand three times over. Other clubs may be commercial but the money will go towards making them successful. Our commercial ventures have come at a huge price of hundreds of millions lost in interest and loans. I support the club but not owners who did that.

12 Aug 2018 07:27:22
Redman, I hear what you are saying. But arrant the owners the same people who put in place a solid marketing model that made it match easier to pay the loans? Moreover once the loans are manageable the money generated will go towards the club and line their pockets - like all businesses. But without the infrastructure to rake in so much income we won’t be able to spend all this money we have been spending. Would you rather not have much money to spend and be debt free?

12 Aug 2018 09:15:02
Ryan’s left foot

I should be grateful the owners put in a marketing plan to enable the club to pay loans for years which enabled them to buy the club. Seriously. All praise their marketing but a leveraged buyout has cost the club hundreds of millions. “Like all businesses”, borrowing can be good for a business but the capital in this case did nothing for the good of the club at all, it didn’t buy a player or renovate a stand. All this commercial acumen is for one thing, improve the asset value of the club and to the benefit of the owners. Believe otherwise if you wish.
With that I feel like I have taken on the mantle of Kloot in the old days except he was far more aggressive about them.
We will never know what might have been if instead of the owners we have, we picked up City type owners who have massively elevated that club.

12 Aug 2018 09:34:16
ManMan and RedMan. Thank God for a bit of reality check. We can say it 1000 times that the club is in a good place, but the reality is that it isn't. The Glazers saddled us with crippling debts that have done nothing to helo the club on the pitch. It has however, put an eyewatering amount of money into their pockets, and built up the brand so that they can sell it for the ultimate pay day. And that is the difference between the Glazers and the City owners. Unfortunately, we have got the horrible lot, and they managed to get the owners who genuinely care.
So people can twist any tale the way they want, but the truth is, until these greedy lot have had enough and until we get someone rich and passionate about our club, then we're going to be stuck in this never ending cycle.

12 Aug 2018 12:11:15
AAA, I don't think City's oweners care a jot about the club and the city. What they do care about is having a vehicle for good PR of UAE to try and gloss over their horrible human rights record. I actually prefer the Glazers because at least they don't indulge in slavery. If we had an owener like that I would have nothing to do with the club at all.

So, if we want to talk about football in purely commercial terms then we have to see it as a product. Man utd's product is not fit for purpose and should be subject to a recall. No one in their right mind would keep going back to the cinema time and time again to see a sh*t, boring film so I have no idea why Old Trafford is full every week.

12 Aug 2018 14:58:13
No part of my post was related to the style of football we are playing or whether it is entertaining enough. I acknowledge we're frustratingly behind Liverpool and City at the moment, but that's a separate discussion and has nothing to do with the "commercial whore" and "laughing stock" comments. Nor is the Glazers LBO and its long term impact on the club, something I've been extremely vocal about. Had SAF not been able to maintain the success on the field, who knows we might have ended up in bankruptcy.

12 Aug 2018 20:42:56
Shawthing, but in your OP you advocate we "just support the club, which means supporting the players and the manager" and I'm saying no to that because the football is so bad which is partly because of the club, partly because of the manager and partly because of the players.

Support is not unconditional, it's a two way contract and it's earned. For my support (which comes in the forms of both time and money), I demand decent football.

Also, you can't seperate the club from the business, they are one and the same.

I agree that we are not commercial whores, nor are we a laughing stock. Also, Jose is an improvement on LVG which is the worse I've seen Utd. Sheffield Utd at home in the FA Cup was the lowest point of following Utd.

11 Aug 2018 19:20:48
Anybody else see Matic perhaps dropping back to play CB?

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11 Aug 2018 19:38:32
No need, that'd be a very strange move. Our best ball playing CM to drop to be a CB where he has never played before where we have lindelof and Bailly.

11 Aug 2018 19:49:46
Only in the case of a real emergency. Bailly lindelof smalling jones rojo in that order for me ahead of matic for a cb position. The emergence of Pereira opens up the option to rest matic and provides good competition for the position. Herrera and fellaini were not ideal there at all so its a huge plus for the season. Matic played nearly every game last season and suffered towards the end.
Matic is a top class no 6 and i exoect him to be our no1 in that position.

12 Aug 2018 05:59:27
Exactly Ken. Pereira is very young. He will be an able backup to Matic and can learn to master the position. Jose also seems to rate him. He did not want Pereira to leave on loan last season and yesterday he gave a special mention to him in post match interview.

12 Aug 2018 09:36:18
Mumbai, we already have two converted wingers playing as fullbacks, so i hope we don't convert a slow defensive midfielder into playing as centre back. What next, ddg at centre forward?

12 Aug 2018 15:22:59
Talking about converting players, I'd rather have Pereira on the right where he's more natural, than at 6. But I'm just glad to see him getting games tbh.

11 Aug 2018 19:16:15
How on earth is Michael Keane still a premier league player? He's absolutely awful.

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11 Aug 2018 20:41:08
Same question for Theo Walcott. He doesn’t look anywhere near as quick and that was his only asset.

 


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