20 Dec 2018 11:03:05
Hi Ed002, you mention efforts are still being made to move Pogba to another club and having looked through the european pages I see you have previously mentioned Barcelona have shown interest and will try and include a player in any move with Ousmane Dembele being one player they could look to use in a deal for another player.
Are Barcelona still interested in Pogba and do you think either club could try to involve Dembele in the deal? Thanks in advance.
{Ed002's Note - Manchester United made it clear that they are not interested in part exchange deals. Efforts continue to be made to move Pogba to Spain but there is interest from Italy where Juventus would also want to include a payer in the deal. Manchester Uniuted has an interest in Costa but will still try and keep things separate. They would be open to including Pjanic but taht was a JM pick.}
20 Dec 2018 11:25:28
Thanks for the quick reply. We are desperate for a RW and I rate Costa even with his attitude worries. Also Pjanic for me would be th best possible replacement for Matic at the base of our midfield although I doubt he would be interested in coming here at the moment.
20 Dec 2018 12:03:37
So you wouldn't mind swapping one toxic player for another? And what would that achieve?
20 Dec 2018 12:43:51
FZZ - I really can’t imagine any other player as poisonous as Pogba. Sure it’s a risk but one worth taking. The club has dealt with big personalities in the past, Pogba though is far too much to handle, not to mention his performances have been nothing short of terrible all season, he hasn’t put in a single standout performance for us since City last season.
Straight swap for Costa and Pjanic, it’s totally unrealistic but it would solve the RW problem and strengthen midfield.
20 Dec 2018 13:42:31
Not Pogbas biggest fan at the moment, but scanning google i don't remember him spitting and bullying another professional that is getting the better of him during a game.
20 Dec 2018 15:20:38
FZZ, I don’t actually want Pogba sold, I’m basing this on Ed saying the club still want to offload him. I think Pogba’s attitude issues were mostly of Mourinho’s doing because when we were doing well they had a great relationship and Deschamps has repeatedly praised Pogba’s attitude.
20 Dec 2018 15:59:12
Thats fine, but he's not what i'm referring to either. i'm referring to a bit of a **** bag tbh and it fits that no one else wants him except us.
20 Dec 2018 16:30:36
I understand not swapping one toxic for another, however if hand was forced at least Costa is a lot cheaper toxic.
20 Dec 2018 18:14:22
Unbelievable no wonder Ed002 doesn't give info on here anymore.
20 Dec 2018 18:35:24
What are you on about?! There’s nothing wrong with this discussion and it has no resemblance to the reasons Ed002 has for not posting. This is just people commenting their opinion on different players, if you can’t handle that then go on a different page.
20 Dec 2018 18:47:37
At least we will still support the team even in league two though, right ;)
20 Dec 2018 19:57:34
Sepp are we getting relegated from the premier league, missing out the championship and League 1, straight to league 2?
Don't think we're that bad.
23 Dec 2018 08:07:09
@FZZ
You're right about that. Lots of fans have been poisoned on Pogba's issue. Mourinho knew that he was getting found out and divided the fan base.
Furthermore the Pogba hate has to do with much more than his attitude but a narrative which has been pushed on by loads of pundits (ardent ones of which are scouse) that Pogba is overrated, publicity Whore, arrogant and disrespectful. Which in all entirety is false but of course we know why players like that are bashed.
Highly hypocritical that same people hyping luxury players as geniuses are attacking a player who gives in more effort for the team.
It has gotten to a stage where his performances are judged by distance covered or number of balls lost (not a fair matric for a risk-taker) .
Look at the whole media execution and brouhaha he faced due to the image posted for an Adidas event. Even if Pogba put up the smirking picture by himself (which his media team took claim), or it was just his picture taken at a personal function (which wasn't as obviously it was an Adidas event), he deserved benefit of doubt or a fair hearing but all you man were up on your high horses taking aim at him.
Alexis drives into Carrington listening to "I'm free, I'm free" and not an eyelid was batted. I didn't hear Gary Neville, Roy Keane or any scouse ****. er on that.
I come on here but no furore nothing for Saint white Sanchez from all the guys here labeling Pogba as toxic. Its funny that the only person who thinks he is is Mourinho and some people for whatever reason (his former coach at Juventus didn't, his national coach doesn't, hell eve Fergie said the agent was the problem not the lad) .
If Pogba had put up that video.
There is a bias for certain people but the most annoying thing is how we allowed Mourinho to pull wool over our eyes, divide our hearts from the team and turn us against our players and selves.
The same Mourinho who always spoke about himself, his victories, his titles, whenever we lost. The same man who refused to evolve his obsolete game yet attacked the ability and integrity of his players publicly in the media, The same Mourinho who didn't know the word "we" and who looked you in the eye and told you that your club has no football heritage.
If it were Mourinho, yesterday wouldn't see us attacking from onset (we always sit back and allow our opponents build their rhythm and tempo) .
If it were Mourinho yesterday, you would never have dreamt of us exhibiting the high press.
If it were Mourinho yesterday at 2 - 1, we would have gone defensive and tried to protect the lead only to capitulate at death.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, it would beeen have been a rigid formation with our fullbacks both not bombing up.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, it would be Matic and Fellaini not one for the other.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, our players will have no confidence and pleasure to play with delight, exuberance and joy.
He had already had a fight with Valencia over a trivial social media issue, with Bailly over a negligible issue, with Sanchez over how the game is played, with Shaw countless times even the week before he was sacked that's why he didn't play him. Of course they had to split with Pogba because he stood up to him about the style of play and how the players aren't enjoying it.
I don't care what anyone says, I'm old enough to make judgement, I have vast experience in civil service and man management. You can't frustrate your workers, make the job as boring and as detestable as you can, slate and castigate them in public (both their colleagues, rivals, families and whole world) then expect them to run into a brick wall for you. Ever a dictator will not get that loyalty nowadays.
I'm not saying wet have suddenly turned a corner - we'll definitely lose some but we'll play beautiful game with first intent on winning not defending.
23 Dec 2018 08:06:32
FZZ
You're right about that. Lots of fans have been poisoned on Pogba's issue. Mourinho knew that he was getting found out and divided the fan base.
Furthermore the Pogba hate has to do with much more than his attitude but a narrative which has been pushed on by loads of pundits (ardent ones of which are scouse) that Pogba is overrated, publicity Whore, arrogant and disrespectful. Which in all entirety is false but of course we know why players like that are bashed.
Highly hypocritical that same people hyping luxury players as geniuses are attacking a player who gives in more effort for the team.
It has gotten to a stage where his performances are judged by distance covered or number of balls lost (not a fair matric for a risk-taker) .
Look at the whole media execution and brouhaha he faced due to the image posted for an Adidas event. Even if Pogba put up the smirking picture by himself (which his media team took claim), or it was just his picture taken at a personal function (which wasn't as obviously it was an Adidas event), he deserved benefit of doubt or a fair hearing but all you man were up on your high horses taking aim at him.
Alexis drives into Carrington listening to "I'm free, I'm free" and not an eyelid was batted. I didn't hear Gary Neville, Roy Keane or any scouse ****. er on that.
I come on here but no furore nothing for Saint white Sanchez from all the guys here labeling Pogba as toxic. Its funny that the only person who thinks he is is Mourinho and some people for whatever reason (his former coach at Juventus didn't, his national coach doesn't, hell eve Fergie said the agent was the problem not the lad) .
If Pogba had put up that video.
There is a bias for certain people but the most annoying thing is how we allowed Mourinho to pull wool over our eyes, divide our hearts from the team and turn us against our players and selves.
The same Mourinho who always spoke about himself, his victories, his titles, whenever we lost. The same man who refused to evolve his obsolete game yet attacked the ability and integrity of his players publicly in the media, The same Mourinho who didn't know the word "we" and who looked you in the eye and told you that your club has no football heritage.
If it were Mourinho, yesterday wouldn't see us attacking from onset (we always sit back and allow our opponents build their rhythm and tempo) .
If it were Mourinho yesterday, you would never have dreamt of us exhibiting the high press.
If it were Mourinho yesterday at 2 - 1, we would have gone defensive and tried to protect the lead only to capitulate at death.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, it would beeen have been a rigid formation with our fullbacks both not bombing up.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, it would be Matic and Fellaini not one for the other.
If it were Mourinho yesterday, our players will have no confidence and pleasure to play with delight, exuberance and joy.
He had already had a fight with Valencia over a trivial social media issue, with Bailly over a negligible issue, with Sanchez over how the game is played, with Shaw countless times even the week before he was sacked that's why he didn't play him. Of course they had to split with Pogba because he stood up to him about the style of play and how the players aren't enjoying it.
I don't care what anyone says, I'm old enough to make judgement, I have vast experience in civil service and man management. You can't frustrate your workers, make the job as boring and as detestable as you can, slate and castigate them in public (both their colleagues, rivals, families and whole world) then expect them to run into a brick wall for you. Ever a dictator will not get that loyalty nowadays.
I'm not saying wet have suddenly turned a corner - we'll definitely lose some but we'll play beautiful game with first intent on winning not defending.