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02 Sep 2014 12:25:08
Didn't think we'd be seeing any rumours so soon after the window shut - but slyspurts are reporting that a deal for Cleverley to go on loan to Aston Villa was agreed late last night and that the club are confident it went through in time.


1.) Hi Eds, its not easy to understand the terms of the Falcao loan deal. The option to buy for £50m next year dosent make any financial sense for a 29 year old. Surely EdWW will turn round and spend £50m elsewhere? I hope that's not the case, because i'd rather support the player properly in the next 4-5 years.

Have Monaco gone to any lengths to protect themselves from Falcao's depreciation over the next year? The £6m loan fee and £25million -( rvp's price at 29) next year is £30m.
£10m less than the ~£40m they can still demand at 28 years of age.

{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to the finances and someone has been misleading you with these numbers.}

2.) Lets hope so.Useless never utd quality

3.) FA have approved it. Option for Villa to buy for £7.5m in January.



31 Aug 2014 22:09:15
Guillem Balague seems to think that there is a deal in place which will see Negredo head to Valencia on loan and that City will look to sign Falcao to replace him. It's unclear at this point whether Real intend to increase their offer (which was originally a loan deal with a view to a permanent move) or whether Chico is being targeted as a cheap alternative.

Tancredi Palmeri seems to be the one reporting that we've put in a bid for Falcao - although he has been wrong on numerous transfers in the past. According to him, a loan deal was agreed between Real and Monaco but City came in with a bid of €40m upfront which lead to Monaco going back on their deal with Real. We then put in a bid for the player earlier this evening.

Apparently the player has ruled out moves to Arsenal and Juventus already and prefers a move to Real Madrid (he's mentioned his dream of playing for Real on numerous occasions). I suspect that Real will end up matching Manchester City's offer and he will end up there - but this is certainly an interesting scenario for tomorrow.

I'm not sure if there's any truth to any of this and am just passing on what Tancredi Palmeri and Guillem Balague have said online and on Revista De La Liga respectively.




31 Aug 2014 15:12:32
Ed002 - Do you know if we still have a interest in Cavani? I'd be very surprised if we moved for him - but with us potentially looking at signing a striker I figure he may be an option.


{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}



28 Aug 2014 11:42:46
Aston Villa have bid for Tom Cleverley and Crystal Palace want to take Zaha on loan with a view to buy.


1.) I have a real good feeling we will sign two more midfielders this window. Many players leaving.

Zaha - Cleverley - Kagawa - Hernandez - Welbeck - Anderson - Lindegaard - Rafael - Varela - Fellaini - Vermijl - W.Keane.

Can we find them all a club though? Not long left now and so much to do. Doubt all will go, many will depend on incoming players too. Then there's the loan outs too.

2.) Cleverly is a very Aston Villa type player

3.) Yh
Zaha has left for Crystal Palace now on loan

Hopefully he does well!

4.) 28 Aug 2014 12:25:15
Redseven. U must take this opportunity to drive cleverly to villa park by yourself. Just to make it sure that he won't come back without signing there contract

5.) I will give cleverly a piggy back to villa park myself and strap him to the villa park gates and throw away the key

6.) We will sign Vidal and Blind.

7.) 28 Aug 2014 13:10:30
Syd I highly doubt all of those players will leave Fellani is injured so unfortunately isn't moving, I hope rafeal stays unless we can get another RB in which I doubt. i'd keep welbeck due to his age he can stil develop loan would be good!

Who do you think we could get syd hope we get a midfielder and cb those two positions are i'm urgent need of attention if we want champions leauge this season. Who are our cb targets?

8.) Mo21, there will be a massive clearout, that has been confirmed by EW. Also with only around 40 games (Max) left to play and no UCL money, MU will want to cut costs and there's no point having players in the squad that won't play.

9.) It's fine saying that United want rid, Syd, but if no-one wants them, they'll have to stay.

10.) SOSM, exactly, couldn't agree more.

11.) Talk is that Villa's bid of £8m has now been accepted.

I feel sorry for the lad given the amount of stick he's gotten over the last few years - but ultimately he is not a Manchester United player. I think he will do well at Villa and wish him all the best for the future.

12.) Also worth noting that the #23 shirt is now vacant. Hopefully it's taken up by another #23!



27 Aug 2014 20:20:21
Alonso will be moving from Real to Bayern. What are the chances that Real will move for Vidal to replace him?

It would be the ultimate kick in the teeth if Real ended up using some of the Di Maria money to fund a move for the player we actually needed. I suspect we'll find out soon enough. Unlike us - Real get things done quickly.


1.) Would they replace Alonso having already signed Kroos earlier in the window? Is Alonso leaving because of the Kroos signing or are RM selling Alonso and looking to replace him?

2.) That really would stick it in and break it off especially with Guarin going to Juve(allegedly)

3.) That's probably why they give Modric a new deal last week, so when they sign Vidal he doesn't kick up a fuss and try and force a move.

4.) Deyno - It's hard to say. Alonso is getting on a bit now and the word is that he asked to leave. He signed a new three year contract last season and he's been a fantastic player for them - so I imagine they will have wanted to keep him. There's a chance it's because he was worried about his game time next season but I imagine he wanted to get one more big contract in before hanging up his boots.

Assuming that Bale, Ronaldo, Rodriguez and a striker (Falcao) are going to be first choice - RM currently have Modric, Kroos, Illarramendi and Khedira battling it out for 2 midfield spots (I think Isco would be back-up for Rodriguez).

Khedira looks like he'll leave in the next twelve months and so I expect he'll be used as backup rather than being first choice. Illarramendi made a fair few appearances last season but wasn't particularly impressive and I don't see him having a long term future with the club despite his hefty price-tag. That leaves Kroos and Modric as first choice and adequate cover in Khedira and Illarramendi.

I don't think Real need Vidal - but I can very much see them signing him. It's a very 'Real' thing to do. The thought of Falcao, Bale, Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Kroos and Vidal in the same team is frightening though. Probably the best and deadliest front six ever assembled.

5.) I thought that money is going to the falcao transfer

6.) Pretty sure the money they get from us is going on the falcao move

7.) I would not be at all surprised if they take Falcao on loan for the season for a fee with a view to buying him outright next season. Either way Falcao will not cost £64m. I expect he could be signed for between £40m and £50m. We will see shortly.




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31 Aug 2017 09:03:05
Anybody looking for something to brighten their day should go and check out the Liverpool page.

Just in case the fact that many of their fans still consider the club to be the best team in England wasn't a clear indicator of their inability to count; there's an interesting thread discussing how to fit their new signings into the team in which somebody suggests a 3-5-4 formation - going into far too much detail for it to be a joke.

The icing on the cake is where another poster points out the idiocy by questioning whether 12 players would now be allowed by the F. A.


1.) 31 Aug 2017 11:10:39
I think the 12 players comment was a joke something your shower don't seem to quite comprehend. the original comment was indeed idiocy at its finest 😂.

2.) 31 Aug 2017 12:09:07
What a useless post by redseven. The replies to that thread were all sarcastic because one poster could not count. Why do u say 'their'? Or do u feel the need to call other people idiots or illiterate just because they support LFC? You wanna entertain yourself, go out and see what the outside world has to offer.
Oh yeah, and no LFC fan considers LFC to be the best in England. We just expect to challenge for the title if we sign Lemar and VVD, otherwise a top4 finish looks the best bet. Get your facts right before spouting dog turd.

3.) 31 Aug 2017 12:43:04
Wow feeling sore there boys. Is it the realisation of almost 30 years without a league title sinking in. No challenge this season either.

4.) 31 Aug 2017 13:16:35
John Barnes; the 12 players comment was a joke - but the fact that the poster had once again failed to use basic addition (3 + 5 + 4 + a goalkeeper is 13) was anything but intentional!

5.) 31 Aug 2017 14:52:47
If the sign vvd then they can challenge. But city and Chelsea are better.
Aoc signing is a joke and especially at that price.



10 Jun 2017 13:00:44
Am I the only one worried about the weaknesses across our squad at the moment and the number of signings needed to get us close to the level of Europe's best?

With Zlat and Rooney leaving - we desperately need to sign a number nine (one could even argue that we were in need of another one last season even before the aforementioned left the club) - and even then, looking at their performances under JM, I wouldn't be overly confident having just Rash and Tony M available were the new signing to pick up an injury.

I've read some people on here suggesting that signing both Morata and Belotti wouldn't be the worst idea in the world and am inclined to agree (perhaps not on those signings in particular - but that having 4 options up top wouldn't be such a bad thing considering 2 of them are often played out wide) .

Our midfield needs work too. We currently lack a real out and out wide player - which if we're going to play with wingers - leaves us needing two (one at the very least) .

If we're going to play with a narrow midfield and rely on the wing backs for width instead, I think we need to start thinking about a new right back (Jose doesn't seem to rate Darmian and Tony V is getting older and not great in the final third) and a new left back seems to be on the clubs shopping list already (Shaw hasn't been the same since his injury and Jose just doesn't seem to fancy him) .

The centre of our midfield is in decent shape although I'd like to see a defensive minded midfielder come in to allow Pogba to play a little further up the pitch and reduce our reliance on the wig (whose better suited to elbow boxing than he is football) .

Rojo, Smalling and Jones are far too inconsistent and Blind should be considered cover at best - so I think we need a new CB too (and looking at our injury problems last season Is be very surprised if Jose isn't on the lookout for one) .

Assuming we play a narrow 4-3-3 with inverted wingers - that leaves us needing 5 signings (6 if DDG leaves) to plug all of the gaps.


1.) 10 Jun 2017 14:31:52
Cb will be lindelof he is also an excellent right back. Morata appears to be close but we have been here before! Perisic looks like the winger he can also play left wing back and left back but is better as a winger.
Fabhino for dm is the clear target he can also play right back.
Belotti would be a real bonus but imo if we sign him i think martial or mata could be sold to help balance the books.
If wig goes we could well move for matuidi but i doubt it.
Left back is a concern mendy looks set for city or chelsea rose is a long shot but possible or a young Spanish Lad martins.
Ibra rooney smalling blind and darmian i think will be sold and maybe 1 or 2 of mata shaw wig martial depending on our success at achieving our targeted signings.



30 Jul 2016 14:20:38
Not exactly a binding contract; but Pogba signed a United fans 'Pogba 6' shirt while in America.


1.) 30 Jul 2016 16:15:33
fed up hearing about pp now.



10 Jun 2016 20:17:00
A lot of people on here have been criticising Pogba lately and calling him overrated. I hope you're watching tonight. He's done more in the opening 15 minutes than most of our current midfielders do in 90.


1.) 10 Jun 2016 20:35:23
He has done ok . Kante been good.

2.) 10 Jun 2016 20:40:25
Dont think any people have called him overrated but simply stated that they may not want the club to shell out 100-120 mil for him and chase him all summer if he doesn't even want to come back to old trafford anyways.

Seems fair enough to me.

3.) 10 Jun 2016 20:46:57
Evra is still a classy player down the left.

4.) 10 Jun 2016 20:53:27
Pogba is good, but to be honest I am looking and thinking that for the money Kante, Matuidi or Payet may be more what we are in need of.
That said, Pogba could turn out to be the all round midfielder.

{Ed004's Note - Kante has probably been the best player on the pitch. Fantastic performance so far}

5.) 10 Jun 2016 21:09:15
EVra is getting caught out and ending up fouling the opposition.

6.) 10 Jun 2016 21:27:41
Theyalwaysscore: Evra has been suspect all night, I wouldn't want him anywhere near our team.

7.) 10 Jun 2016 21:38:16
Evra did look better first half getting caught out second half I agree. But that man kante what a player he's having a blinder. Here comes Martial.

8.) 10 Jun 2016 21:38:49
How do you think pogba played.

9.) 10 Jun 2016 21:43:26
Last minute goal for Romania would certainly throw a spanner in this tournament :)

10.) 10 Jun 2016 22:06:30
Jred - I thought he was fantastic in an attacking sense. Everything good that France did in the first half went through him. He played some fantastic forward balls.

He had less of an influence on the second half. Still a solid 8 out of 10 performance overall though.

11.) 10 Jun 2016 22:57:48
I said Pogba is over rated and I stand over it. Not saying he's a bad player, just over hyped at Juve and for France he's had a strong midfield around him that does a lot of the dirty work for him. Not worth over £50m for me.

If we only sign 1 CM this summer I'd sign Verratti, Javi Martinez, Koke, Kante, Vidal or Thiago before i even considered Pogba.

12.) 11 Jun 2016 00:37:22
I suppose the folks at City, United, Barcelona, Real, Bayern, Juve, PSG, etc are clueless then? The ridiculous sums they spend scouting players have all been wasted and the managers asking the decision makers to sign Pogba should all be sacked because their ability to evaluate players is sub-par when compared to some randomers on an obscure message board. Pep and Jose are both fools. Fans of every other club that would love to see Pogba playing for their team are all idiots too.

If he'd stayed at united people would be singing his praises but it seems as though as we let him slip through our fingers he is suddenly overrated. He's a top quality player with many years ahead of him - and if ADM was worth £65m, Bailly is worth £32m, Depay was worth £28m (I could go on for some time here) - then I can't see why Pogba being worth £60m-£80m in todays market is questionable to anybody.

13.) 11 Jun 2016 05:45:01
OK do I wish he had stayed at united? Yes.

Do I think he should have played the game that Rafael played CM? Definitely.

Do I think he's a better player than any of our current CM's based on last season? Yes

Do I think he's worth 60-80m when Pjanic, Kante and Mahrez are all reportedly available around the 25m mark? No

If we buy 1 CM, given that we need other signings elsewhere, do I think Pogba is the type of player we need? No

If we sign Pogba I think it means Schneiderlin has to play the DM role. The Eds have said many times Morgan is not a DM.

To me it would make more sense to buy Kante which would allow Herrera and Schneiderlin to push higher up the pitch and play in their natural positions where they are more effective.

Without doubt Pogba has immense ability but he gives the ball away a lot and goes missing in matches. Yes he may play the match winning pass but only if someone else does the dirty work to keep the team in the game. I'm yet to see him stamp his authority on a match or consistently control the tempo of a game.

He is young and has time to be a top 5 player in the world but he's not there yet and as such shouldn't command a Ronaldo or Bale type fee.

14.) 11 Jun 2016 08:08:42

Quoting flops who have gone for too much money like adm and depay does not make him a good buy at 70 or 80 mill mate. What did Kante go for or Mahrez and do you think he is worth 5 times what they are?

To make a case for his valuations using deals that everyone knows were very bad actually makes the case for not doing it again :)

15.) 11 Jun 2016 15:34:30
MulamNO - Kante is not a DM either so I'm not sure how signing him over Pogba would make a difference to where Morgan played (the same Morgan who is behind both Pogma and Kante in the pecking order for France, btw) .

Whilst positionally they are not too dissimilar; Pogba and Kante excel in different areas. Kante is a beast when it comes to winning the ball back and intercepting passes whilst Pogba is fantastic on the ball and can pick out a killer pass with ease (both are good at what the other excels at too, mind) .

In an ideal world we would look to sign the pair of them as I think that they compliment each other perfectly; but as one of our biggest problems last season was creating chances - I see Pogba as being exactly the kind of player we need if we were to only sign one midfielder. I'd be equally happy with Kante.

X -
I wasn't aware that Bailly was considered a flop? The point that I was making was that people seemed happy with all three signings at the time they were made and nobody really questioned the price tag (which has no baring on us fans anyway) . If signing an unproven 22 year old defender that has made just 40 first team appearances and was more or less unheard of for £32m is good value - I really don't see how signing a player that is less than one year older, has made more than three times as many top flight appearances, has been an integral part of a side that has won their domestic league comfortably 4 years on the bounce (As well as reaching a Champions League final) and is widely regarded as the best young player in the world for £60m is not good value.

Of course you can pick out all of the bargains that smaller clubs manage to pick out (although for every success story there are two failures) - but big clubs buy big players. We tried signing lesser known players in the past and with the exception of Ronaldo, it backfired massively.

The amount we would spend on Pogba in fees and wages would be nothing when compared with what we've wasted on flops over the last 5 years or so (Zaha, Rojo, Depay, Powell, Jones, Valdes, Fellaini, Kagawa, Buttner, Bebe, etc) .



26 May 2016 01:13:59
With the signing of Xhaka Arsenal have broken the £30m mark on a signing for just the third time in their history. What I hadn't realised however was that their next most expensive signing was Reyes for £17.4m.

Comparatively; we have signed 16 players that have cost more than their 4th most expensive signing with 8 of those coming in the past 3 years.

I have no real issue with the club spending money on players as we seem to make a hell of a lot of it - but given the success of the two clubs since the turn of the millennium and the amount spent; it doesn't half make you wonder where Arsenal might be were it not for their reluctance to spend and where we might be if all of our big money signings had worked out.


1.) 26 May 2016 03:22:52
Interesting post and great stats redseven. thanks! I was also encouraged to read earlier today that Maureen's most expensive signing to date is Diego Costa at £32m. There are also some media presented stats that show him as being the biggest spending manager over the last 10 years but we mustn't forget he has also pretty much been in constant employment at large European clubs during that time whilst others have either come from less wealthy clubs (Pellegrini), coached at international level (Van Gaal) or taken time out (Guardiola) . The only credible manager with a lower spend is Wenger but most football fans also appreciate that he has a particular talent for producing Champions League worthy squads with a very average budget. similarly, SAF was able to integrate promising youth players into partially expensive squads!

Whilst I'm only just coming round to the idea of Maureen being our new manager (and I do still have some doubts) I am hoping that during the lengthy consultation period (we all know it's not just been 2 days) the likes of SAF and SBC have been able to demonstrate exactly what our glorious club expects and deserves. Likewise, I remain positive to the fact that Maureen has realised the magnitude of the opportunity he is about to undertake and does so with a less abrasive, more discernible and thoroughly gracious manner. I just hope that he wants this to work as much as we do. because if so, this could. this really could be a match made in heaven #believe

From this moment forward I will no longer refer to him as Maureen. you will simply be know as Mo. #ibelieveinmo.

2.) 26 May 2016 07:38:02
And that's why redseven, wenger is a genius. Most arsenal fans do not know how lucky they have been to be managed by that guy. If it was another manager that had that job, keeping them in champions league places without money and the debt of a new stadium on their shoulders couple by the fact he manages most aspects of arsenal, then they would have struggled.

He will be missed when he retires at the end of next season.

3.) 26 May 2016 08:10:53
Redseven agreed. BTW, i only early in the silly season, but I think arsenal have just made one of the best signings of the summer in Xhaka. Excellent player with drive and a very good shot.

4.) 26 May 2016 09:16:21
Bit of free advertising thrown in for us there Schmid? ;) Think you got away with it!

5.) 26 May 2016 10:29:31
Agreed schmid. A fantastic CM. I had the privilege to live in Basel. Meet and watch many of these guys play. Xhaka, rakitic, sommer, schar, Shaqiri. Some fantastic talent from a very small city.

6.) 26 May 2016 10:30:54
Lol, I use tst Schmid, they're very good.




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19 Jun 2017 16:19:30
If they were smart, RM would let him go. If they sell now they will probably get around £150m and will clear a massive wage off their books. Given his age and the probability that he only has 2 or 3 good seasons left in him - that seems like a great bit of business to me.

Conversely I think it would be a good bit of business for us too in the short term.

The only party that wouldn't benefit from the deal is Ronaldo himself - which is why I don't see it happening.




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16 Jun 2017 13:45:31
It all comes down to how badly they want to sell him and, to a lesser extent, how badly the player wants to leave. If, as Zidane maintains, they don't want to sell him - then I can see them holding out for silly money. If, as I suspect is the case, they're looking to use the money as part of a bid for another player, they will try and get as much money as possible but will not push too much on the price for fear of scaring us away (as we are one of the only clubs stupid enough to pay that kind of amount right now) .

I can see us signing him for around £65m - which is way too much considering his true value but not so bad when you consider how much players like Carrol and Pickford cost in the past.

Personally, if the price rises much higher than £65m, I'd like to see us turn our attention elsewhere. I still maintain that every player has a price - and so if we're going to spend an insane amount I'd rather we throw the money towards the very best strikers like Kane or Dybala.

Their clubs may say that they don't want to sell - but offer the right amount and eventually they will bite. The players may say they don't want to move - but if you offer them enough money they will change their tune.

For what it's worth (and before people start making this point), I hate that I find myself making this suggestion. There was a time when I believed that the reputation of the club and the prospect of playing for us was enough to attract the best players - but that time has gone and football has changed. We haven't been competitive at home or in Europe for four seasons now - so we need to bring in the right players to get the club back to the top. If that means spending - then so be it. At least we're spending money generated by the clubs success rather than being bankrolled by oil.




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20 Jun 2016 22:49:30
Why would Bailly be in any position to have a word in his ear? They play for different teams both domestically and internationally.




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14 May 2016 11:52:36
Reminds me a little of Bayern selling Bastian and bringing in Vidal last Summer.




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06 May 2016 11:39:26
Rewz - But if that was the case why pull the plug on the January transfers?

Halesini - I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head from where I'm sitting.

The three options the club had seem to have been:

Keep the manager and back him (which could potentially leave the next manager with expensive players that he doesn't want whilst still not guaranteeing Champions League qualification) .

Keep the manager but pull the plug on transfers (thus limiting the potential loss whilst not fully discounting the possibility that we will qualify for the Champions League and having to admit they had hired the wrong man) .

Sack the manager, bring in a new one and back them in the January window (but still face the risk of missing out on Champions League qualification as well as risk picking the wrong manager for a third time in 24 months) .

It seems as though the board picked what they considered to be the safest option in terms of money at the expense of fixing a problem that they knew was there. To me that's a little disappointing. They effectively condemned us to 6 months of turgid displays because they didn't have the stomach to admit they'd made another mistake and double down.





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02 Sep 2017 01:14:36
I don't see how it's any different to Arsenal selling us RVP or Chelski selling Mata or Matic to us. Every player has a price and PSG have agreed to pay it. That the cash won't change hands until next summer seems somewhat irrelevant in this situation.




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31 Aug 2017 13:16:35
John Barnes; the 12 players comment was a joke - but the fact that the poster had once again failed to use basic addition (3 + 5 + 4 + a goalkeeper is 13) was anything but intentional!




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29 Aug 2017 15:25:53
My initial reaction to the Neymar deal was that it was insanity; but when you consider that City spent £50m on a mediocre player like Walker a little earlier in the window it doesn't seem all that bad. Even ignoring the marketing potential an elite player like Neymar carries with him, I'd sooner have one Neymar than four Kyle Walkers on the pitch any day of the week.




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26 Aug 2017 14:34:53
I though the same when I read this.




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22 Aug 2017 17:21:30
Before the Neymar deal I expect Bale and Belotti would both have been valued at somewhere around the £70m mark. Now it's anybodies guess.

This time five years ago we'd have been talking £30-£35m. This time in five years we'll probably be looking at £150m.




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