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15 Jun 2017 18:01:33
Do any of the eds know if reports of utds interest in Andersen Tallisca are true. From what I've read it could be that he's trying to engineer a move for himself but I just can't tell with all the junk that's posted on't tinterweb nowadays.

Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach by MU but he is a player Mourinho has been keen on before.}

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15 Jun 2017 14:28:42
Reports Madrid have turned down a bid for morata and are holding out for 80 mil.

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15 Jun 2017 14:47:17
If that's the case I'd say see ya and go look for a different striker.

How can they seriously ask for that much for someone who sits on their bench?!

15 Jun 2017 14:53:47
If that's the case and they come calling for dave the save. It's simple

We over price them as well. I can't stand Madrid.

15 Jun 2017 15:02:22
Bolger, I=if we follow the price for goalkeepers (Pickford 30 mil and Ederson 45 mil, there is no such thing as overpricing de Gea.

15 Jun 2017 15:18:09
Agree weggy walk away if there's any truth in 80 million we are trying to compete with real Madrid not finance their next superstar by buying there sub. Who else is going to give them anywhere near that, call there bluff and walk away or change target . I'd rather poke up Torino than real Madrid.

15 Jun 2017 15:24:54
The problem is we would be buying a player they don't particularly want and they would use the money to buy one the best young strikers in the world in Mbappe.

I'd rather pay an extra 30m and go for Mbappe instead.

15 Jun 2017 15:47:44
Weggy,

The problem with that is, that Mbappe doesn't want to come to United. You pay Monaco 200 Mil, Mbappe still wouldn't sign on the dotted line.

15 Jun 2017 16:44:33
Mbappe is so overrated one good season in france and there talking stupid money he's the same as martial but with confidence and playing in an easier league we need a number 9 Mbappe is similar to rashford, martial we need the finisher goal scourer! Morata'balotti, kane type player!

15 Jun 2017 17:30:18
If that's what Morata's price tag is get it paid and get him signed up, we can afford it, mourinho wants him and he wants to come. I would rather pay what they want than include de gea in any deal.

15 Jun 2017 18:09:20
Where does it end though GDS? At some point we have to draw a line and refuse otherwise the 200million war chest will only end up buying 2 or 3 players instead of the rumoured 5 that we're after.

I get the impression Madrid are just being arsey because they can't get De Gea from us easily.

15 Jun 2017 18:19:09
I agree GDS it's all speculation anyway.

The problem we're facing is the player is under contract, from what I've read Madrid would like to keep him and he has no real desire to leave other than to play more regularly which can't be guaranteed at any top Club he joins anyway!

Madrid can name their price, try and get the best deal for their Club and negotiate from a position of strength.

If we don't want to pay the money we go elsewhere but your probably talking even more money for the likes of Lukaku or Belotti and are either of them much better anyway?

If we don't go for any of the above who are the alternatives?

Do we go with just Rashford and Martial?

For what it's worth I don't think we'll pay anywhere near £80m and the deal will get done around £60-65m.

We set the bar high when we shelled out over £60m for the relatively unknown Martial, we can't blame Madrid for trying to get the best deal for their player.

15 Jun 2017 18:49:14
Danny IL try and offer a view as why a few struggle with morata price . What's causing his valuation people don't see it in his record, sub then 15 in two seasons at juventos then back to Madrid bench again, nobody saying he's a bad player . Is valuation because there's fierce competition for him forcing the price up, maybe but haven't heard much about that . Or finally is price seeming so high cause they don't want to sell, but they seem fairly keen to negotiate if that's the case, maybe they are only willing to negotiate because it's to good a deal for them not to . Personally I'd walk away explore other options and see if there stance changed a little if all interest went because of the price . Hopefully figures of 70 or 80 million is wild paper talk.

15 Jun 2017 22:20:06
These fee's are getting beyond a joke. Maybe it is just me but if we need to splash the cash wouldn't it be better to go after a Lukaku, Snachez or Costa who have proven guaranteed goals in England?

15 Jun 2017 22:36:31
40 mil. Is a good price for him.
When clubs see us coming they put the price of a player up.

16 Jun 2017 00:06:41
I would want us to go in for Aubameyang. Seems his move to PSG has broken down. He's rapid, scores goals. sign him up!

16 Jun 2017 07:17:20
I would take Aubameyang all day long - especially now the SUN (! ) is reporting Morata is offered 350,000 quid a week -.

16 Jun 2017 09:14:26
With you here MAZE.

If we're going to over pay for a striker we might as well go for one we know is capable of doing it in the PL.

Signing Lukaku for 80m makes more sense than signing Morata for 80m.

16 Jun 2017 13:45:31
It all comes down to how badly they want to sell him and, to a lesser extent, how badly the player wants to leave. If, as Zidane maintains, they don't want to sell him - then I can see them holding out for silly money. If, as I suspect is the case, they're looking to use the money as part of a bid for another player, they will try and get as much money as possible but will not push too much on the price for fear of scaring us away (as we are one of the only clubs stupid enough to pay that kind of amount right now) .

I can see us signing him for around £65m - which is way too much considering his true value but not so bad when you consider how much players like Carrol and Pickford cost in the past.

Personally, if the price rises much higher than £65m, I'd like to see us turn our attention elsewhere. I still maintain that every player has a price - and so if we're going to spend an insane amount I'd rather we throw the money towards the very best strikers like Kane or Dybala.

Their clubs may say that they don't want to sell - but offer the right amount and eventually they will bite. The players may say they don't want to move - but if you offer them enough money they will change their tune.

For what it's worth (and before people start making this point), I hate that I find myself making this suggestion. There was a time when I believed that the reputation of the club and the prospect of playing for us was enough to attract the best players - but that time has gone and football has changed. We haven't been competitive at home or in Europe for four seasons now - so we need to bring in the right players to get the club back to the top. If that means spending - then so be it. At least we're spending money generated by the clubs success rather than being bankrolled by oil.

15 Jun 2017 09:29:44
Quetion for both eds and fans. With victor signing is that's united business done in the cb area in terms of incomings? I saw a quote alleged from keane saying he decided against coming to uscas wecwanted 2 cbs. If we do buy another do you think it means we are looking to play 3 at the back? Lindleof baily vvd for example with jones blind and rojo as back up?

{Ed001's Note - I think it is more to give options, as both Bailly and Lindelof provide right back cover. There is likely to be another centre half arriving.}

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15 Jun 2017 11:11:33
I've seen john terry linked with us, please tell us that's not going to happen and it's just lazy mourinho/ terry paper link?

15 Jun 2017 11:13:12
Thanks for response ed. Who would you reckon the additional cb target is going to be? I don't think there are any of the dharkopod cb's left if keane has ruled himself out and after gettimg lindelof i wouldt think we would spend big on a vvd type cb.

{Ed001's Note - I don't know off the top of my head. It is a left sided centre back that is being looked for though.}

15 Jun 2017 13:50:21
if we are looking for left footed CB's then Laporte would be top of my list. It is a shame we are not looking at him.

15 Jun 2017 14:17:24
Rojo and Blind?

15 Jun 2017 14:49:10
Bailly, Lindelof, Rojo, Keane, Tuanzebe and perhaps Blind seem to be our options for next season then.

15 Jun 2017 12:09:11
Didn't ed002 mention David Lopez on the sharkopod as someone we could look to.

15 Jun 2017 17:08:48
Discount dave is lopez a lefty? I have no idea to be honest.

14 Jun 2017 22:04:51
Ed could you see aurier playing for MU next season?

{Ed004's Note - He is an option but apparently not first choice}

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14 Jun 2017 18:04:39
Hi all thanks to the eds as always.
Eds any idea whether or not The club would rather sell or loan out Shaw next season? One of my posts a while back focused on Shaw's concerning attitude, something I heard about through a colleague who was a sports psychologist at Southampton. No doubting his potential and I'm worried we'd regret it if he left permanently so I wondered if a loan deal could be feasible? Are Burnley interested?
Thanks again.

{Ed004's Note - We haven't been linked to any fullbacks which leads me to assume we aren't looking to buy one. If that's the case I would expect Shaw to stay. It's positive sign that reports state Shaw has turned up early to prepare and get fit for next season}

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14 Jun 2017 19:53:47
Many thanks for the response Ed.

14 Jun 2017 20:27:46
Yes ed. I was going to comment on that report. Has the penny dropped? Its been quiet on the full back front. But then again is only mid June.

{Ed004's Note - It could easily be a case of Cb, Cdm, Winger and Striker being the priority. If any of the likes of Darmian, Blind, Shaw etc leave it could force us to sign one}

14 Jun 2017 20:40:04
I doubt fullback is a priority. I think we are in desperate need of any especially if shaw can prove he is up to the task.

But ed002 has said Martin and semedo remain targets so let's see how the next couple of months play out.

Maybe it's a case of get the priorities in first, CB, DM, AM, CF and then look at the fullback situation.

{Ed004's Note - I'm hoping that's the situation. Getting those 4 and then going for fullbacks. Really hoping we move for Semedo. I think he's a wonderful player and worthy successor to Valencia. He's the type of player we let go to Barcelona or Madrid and then complain in years time that he's the best in the world in his position. He would be tricky to sign though and I think there is a lot of interest in him}

14 Jun 2017 21:59:18
I agree ed. Semedo looks the business. I hope we can snap him up before barca/ real come calling.

14 Jun 2017 20:52:21
Last one from me today Ed but are we looking at Dier alongside Magic as CM options? Personally I'd prefer Fabinho.
Thanks.

{Ed004's Note - Going by reports we are after one of Dier, Matic and Fabinho for the holding role}

14 Jun 2017 08:16:57
G'day Ed,

Do you know if United have shown any interest in Robertson from Hull? Fantastic player and much better than Shaw in my opinion.

{Ed001's Note - not sure I even slightly agree with your assessment of him, and United have not shown interest in him. So far anyway.}

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14 Jun 2017 08:23:40
You don't rate him ed?

{Ed001's Note - he is not a top half Prem player, very average. Falls apart under pressure when I have watched him.}

14 Jun 2017 08:39:34
I'd disagree with that assessment Ed. When I have seen him he has looked solid. He will have a host of clubs chasing him in my opinion. I would go as far as saying he would be an improvement on the left backs at 4 of the top 6 clubs aside from Chelsea and Tottenham.

{Ed001's Note - he has a couple of clubs after him yes, but that is more because there are so few left backs, rather than because he is outstanding. I have no idea what you call solid, but he is not strong in the tackle (or strong generally), positionally suspect and was often caught in no man's land for Hull as he did not get forward strongly enough nor track back quickly enough. He never seemed to know if he was a full back or wing back and ended up being in neither position. His left foot is massively overrated as well, his delivery is good but not great, when he has time and space. The minute he is put under pressure it becomes terrible, ending up whacked into touch a lot of the times.}

14 Jun 2017 09:42:05
Ed I must admit I have to vehemently disagree with you on some of those points. It is a funny old game because some of 'lesser' parts of this lads game that you mention are parts I find to be his best attributes. For me his left foot is fantastic and he can whip in some nasty crosses for centre backs to cope with.

As for getting forward he will always try to make the run (should the managers tactics permit it) and busts a gut to get back into position. He is young and still learning so of course he will be a little rough around the edges but for me the ability is definitely there. I know a lad who has played with him and he is first on the field and keeps himself in complete perfect shape unlike our current left back who's ability is not in question just his ethic and commitment.

{Ed001's Note - I don't care who you know at Hull, if that is what you think is top class, then I fear for you. He is an average lower end Prem (at best) player. His left foot is far from fantastic, hence why he created so few chances last season. It is not so much his workrate that is the issue, as his positional sense, which is poor.}

14 Jun 2017 10:01:45
Ed I don't know anyone currently at Hull I was just passing on that this lad takes care of himself on and off the pitch. Again I did not say he was 'top class' but I think he is a really good player who can develop into a very good premier league fullback.

As for creating chances Ed, first and foremost he is a defensive player and for me he does that well. Secondly how many chances in total did Hull create last season? It is easy to snipe at his stats when he is playing for a pretty poor team. Let's see how he goes this season but I do rate him highly at the moment.

{Ed001's Note - plenty of other players created chances for Hull from a much weaker position to attack from. Clucas had far more of an effect going forward and did more defensively.

As for sniping at his stats, I am pointing out that this amazing left foot of his, despite a hell of a lot of chances to put a cross in, did little.}

14 Jun 2017 10:13:26
Ed I think Clucas had a pretty good year also but they play different roles so you cannot really compare them both.

You know as always I respect your opinion but it seems we disagree on this one. Let's see how he gets on next season with whatever club is lucky enough to get him!

Ps he does have a cracking left foot!

14 Jun 2017 10:50:05
Agree with Ed on this, if this is the calibre of player United need to challenge on all fronts maybe I am watching the wrong sport :-)

14 Jun 2017 10:50:26
Maze, I work in Hull. The fans say he's better at attacking than defending. Generally hit and miss.

14 Jun 2017 11:16:08
what do people think of our young left back d. mitchell is it worth giving him a couple of games.

14 Jun 2017 11:24:59
I thought against Palace he played well. It was the last game of the season with nothing for Palace to play for but, our youngsters played very well and it was a pleasure to watch them play. Tuanzebe, Harrop, McTominay, Mitchell and TFM may find themselves promoted.
They need a good pre season. CBJ needs one as well. We have places to fill in the squad since Schweinstieger, Depay and Schneiderlin have left. Jones and Smalling look likely to leave. Fellaini and Rooney could leave as well. Buy quality and promote our youth players.

14 Jun 2017 11:54:11
Gazpat have you seen him play or is he just not your cup of tea because he doesn't have a name like Moreno or Monreal?

14 Jun 2017 12:14:20
Robertson, Creswell, Bertrand - all much of a muchness for me. All mid-table PL standard, Bayern, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea, City, etc - all wouldn't bother to crane their necks, let alone look twice.

Mendy, Rose is the type of standard that will elevate us, much rather gamble on Shaw coming good than blow money on the others though.

14 Jun 2017 13:46:32
FAO Maze, I watched him 4 times, possibly 5 times last year so by no means a lot.

To say he is not my cup of tea because he is not foreign is ridiculous as I could name 4-5 Uk&Ireland based players with non-foreign names who I would class as currently better than him, older and younger.

Rose
Bertrand
Shaw
Gibbs
Tierney
Ben Davies

Bar Tierney all above have proved over the last few years they are at a far superior level to him imo.

As ED mentioned he is mid table team player at best. But it appears you can't allow people have their own opinions.

14 Jun 2017 14:24:09
Touche gazbat.

14 Jun 2017 14:24:49
I'll give you Rose and possibly Bertrand. Shaw at the moment for me is not as good as Robbo. Davies is capable on his day but nothing special. Tierney doesn't get the nod ahead of Robertson in the Scotland squad so why would you feel he is superior? Gibbs is bombscare so please forget that altogether.

It is all about Opinions but like I said above except Spurs and Chelsea who in the top 6 has got a better left back currently (and don't say Shaw as he isn't currently better)?

14 Jun 2017 15:12:29
Maze, I hear your opinion, and I have mine, I think Shaw right now is a better player, comfortably better, Tierney has had a somewhat breakout year this year, and will replace him in the Scotland setup very soon imo.

As mentioned just my opnions. If you disagree that is yours, but Manchester United need to be aiming a lot higher than Robertson calibre in y opinion, I would go as so far to say, I would prefer Darmian at left full and not spend the money on Robertson. I would give Shaw / Darmian / Rojo / Blind and Youth a chance before him.

14 Jun 2017 15:25:51
Just some stats from the web :

Ben Davies
Games 48
Minutes 2603
Goals 3
Assists 3
Average Rating 7.14

Andrew Robertson
Games 45
Minutes 2737
Goals 1
Assists 2
Average Rating 6.67

The stats seem to back up my opnion though.

14 Jun 2017 15:40:57
To be fair Davies is playing with better players than Robertson. So his stats should be better, even though I hate stats. One of those assists could have hit him on the back of his head accidentally, or he could have put 100 beautiful balls in only for the striker to finish - who gives the rating as well, we can't agree on here what to give our own players out of 10 and what we are basing things on?

Alli, Kane and Eriksen are all a lot more clinical than any of the Hull attackers as well. Their full backs mainly attack, Hull's mainly have to defend. Comparing apples with rotten apples, imo.

But again Davies is in the catchment of starter for mid-table team imo.

14 Jun 2017 16:02:42
I agree Beast, Mid Table player, not saying we should sign any of the players I listed, just saying I feel the players I listed are better than Robertson, including Ben Davies. So it's not let's sign the best Foreign player, it's let's sign the best player we can for a position.

Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown.

It's about ability.

14 Jun 2017 16:29:50
Wilkins apologies, Not Wilkinson.

15 Jun 2017 01:37:02
Interesting you make that comparison between Wilkins and I Gazpat because I am not English so I have no issue of preference over an English based player and a foreign national.

In the past though even on this forum I have seen players ridiculed who are British but Foreign players get off scot free because they have a fancy name.

As an example a few seasons ago Carrick and Rooney were getting constantly bashed whereas players like Di Maria and Falcao were getting a free ride. In hindsight who do you think was more deserving of the criticism?

15 Jun 2017 02:51:18
Maze, did Gazpat make that observation about Rooney/ Carrick being to blame over Di Maria/ Falcao? If not, then I'm not sure why he needs to answer your totally hypothetical scenario. I also don't see anything in his original post to suggest he favors foreign named players over homegrown. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as usual.

15 Jun 2017 08:19:03
Again, I will reitterate, I don't prefer any one nationality over another (Although I would like to see an Irishman back at the club :-) )

People have favourites and people will moan about players, honestly it's a fans perogative to have a moan, we all pay money to watch and support, we are all entitled to opinions.

I can also distinctly remember Falcao not getting a free ride here, ok he would of gotten away lightly but still had his haters.

Di Maria played for one season, couldn't settle / wouldn't settle.

Personally I have no concern of where a player was born and raised. What I care about is ability.

Personally I would of sold Rooney when he tried to force through a move the first time.

But the manager (s) all know better than me, hence why my career ended at the ripe age of 24 :)

15 Jun 2017 09:01:05
How did either Falcao or Di Maria get a free ride?

I don't remember Falcao being talked about much here, but I think that's just because we forgot he was playing for us.

As I recall, Di Maria was bashed pretty mercilessly when he wasn't performing, and didn't get the praise he deserved when he played well.

I agree that Rooney always takes a bashing whenever he isn't playing out of his skin, but at the end of the day, a lot of people never forgave him for asking to leave (even though the reasoning he gave might as well have been copy-pasted from these pages at the time) .

15 Jun 2017 07:38:38
HB please see Gazpats post below:

{Just feel the comment from Maze sounded a lot like Wilkinson the other day when he was moaning about United signing Lindelof instead of Keane.

It's not a foriegn vs English or Home Grown}

So please tell me who is making these "hypothetical scenarios" again?

15 Jun 2017 09:39:07
Agree with pretty much everything there, I think the pace of the league didn't suit Angel or Falcao.

I was a huge Rooney fan, I thought he could do it all at one point, he has gone down hill rapid over the last few years, a lot of the criticism he receives is over the top, but I think we should have gotten rid of him three years ago personally, when we could of received a decent chunk of cash.

But that's hindsight.

PLayer bashing is one thing and fans having a moan is another, but some players fans just don't like.

16 Jun 2017 00:33:36
Maze, where this all stemmed from was you mentioning I didn't like Robertson because he didn't have a foreign name.

I then listed a lot of players who I feel are currently playing better / are better imo.

The conversation then seemed to switch to Home Grown vs Foreign, and I simply pointed to your point you made and made a very close comparison to what Ray Wilkins said on TV just this week.

You then said players are getting an easy time beccause they are foreign, which was nothing got to do with what we were talking about.

I can have a conversation / debate over players and ability, we can disagree, but stop making out people are saying things they don't or didn't say to suit your argument it's petty.

Again this was about Robertson, a 23/ 24 year old from Hull who should not be a target for a team wanting to get back to being one of the best teams in Europe, there are a lot of left backs playing in Europe who would be a damn site better than him. That is a fact.

14 Jun 2017 01:37:04
Craig Norwood a photographer for United says that Lindelof is penciled in for a medical tomorrow. Deal should be confirmed tomorrow evening or at the latest Thursday.

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14 Jun 2017 05:31:17
Didn't utd twitter account already confirm the deal.

14 Jun 2017 09:47:55
They only confirmed a fee was agreed, the deal was subject to personal terms being agreed and medical.

14 Jun 2017 10:13:52
United woundnt confirm the deal if it wasn't very likely to go through.

14 Jun 2017 10:45:04
He's arrived in Carrington now. All going well Lindelof will be a United player this afternoon.

14 Jun 2017 11:18:27
He only played for Sweden last night surely he will have a debriefing with his national side today and will arrive in Manchester no earlier than tomorrow?

14 Jun 2017 11:57:31
in most of the papers now WAZZA, during last hour. pulling up in a cahuffer driven shiny red chevrolet company chariot no less.

14 Jun 2017 14:17:52
Wazza, I thought the same but there's photographs of him arriving at Carrington. Hopefully the first of many players arriving this summer.

14 Jun 2017 14:30:03
Plenty of times we have jumped the gun by announcing it before getting deal over the line. Ramsey comes to mind.

14 Jun 2017 14:45:42
That's good news then, I didn't expect it to go through so quickly after an international match what with travel time and national sides not getting together again for another 3 months.

13 Jun 2017 23:32:19
Celtic are apparently favourites to sign Januzaj this summer. I personally think it would be a good move for him in a good side that will sort his style of play.

I for one am disappointed he didn't make the grade at United because I think he has a lot of talent; but I wish him well where ever he ends up, and hope he can fulfil his potential.

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13 Jun 2017 23:35:54
That should have read: suit his style of play.

13 Jun 2017 23:45:07
swap him for the young left back i am sure edo7 will agree.

{Ed007's Note - Throw in De Gea, Mata and Rooney and you're getting close.}

14 Jun 2017 00:18:19
you can have smalling and jones as well ed.

{Ed007's Note - We've got The Krankies, we don't need another comedy duo up here.}

14 Jun 2017 00:25:03
One of the coaches were quoted as saying Januzaj and Wilson stopped doing all the good stuff with their first big contract.

{Ed007's Note - Sounds like my wife after we got married.}

14 Jun 2017 04:09:47
I would be very surprised if this was true. Celtic seem to be pushing for young Roberts (who is a superb little player) and I can't see him and Adnan in the same side.

14 Jun 2017 01:21:15
Hahaha, she did carry on Bond, just not with you 😂.

{Ed007's Note - Well everybody's good at at least one thing in life - and my Mrs sure as hell ain't no cook! ;)

13 Jun 2017 20:41:50
As ed002 very kindly pointed out that united are pushing for matic is that why we have seemingly pulled away from the fabinho deal? i'd rather fabinho.

{Ed002's Note - It is not "because" of that - Matic is seen as an option.}

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13 Jun 2017 22:30:23
Hi ed does that mean united have dropped interest now in fabinho? Was hoping it was just press speculation.

{Ed002's Note - It means they have an interest in Matic.}

13 Jun 2017 22:36:27
Thanks for the quick reply.

14 Jun 2017 04:13:51
Matic would be a very smart choice. Seasoned PL player with plenty to offer. You know exactly what you will be getting rather than another Di Maria, Bastian etc.

14 Jun 2017 08:57:11
Matic is of interest as is Fabinho.

13 Jun 2017 18:48:47
This goes out to Ed002 if he is available. I read somewhere, I think it was the Chelsea page, that United could be in for Fabregas. could you possibly shed some light on it please? Given that we see a Magic discussion down the page, is it Matic or Fabregas that we are interested in, if either.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United could potentially be push for Matic as the interest from elsewhere has gone. Fabregas is keen to stay.}

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13 Jun 2017 21:25:38
Sorry Ed, can I clarify, the interest United had elsewhere has gone or interest in Matic from elsewhere has gone?

{Ed002's Note - The other club that was interested in Matic are no longer keen.}

13 Jun 2017 23:41:11
Cheers for the reply, Ed!

14 Jun 2017 05:26:33
Thanks Ed. If Fabregas is staying, why are Chelsea considering Verrati? They can't have two similar sorts playing in the same game.

{Ed002's Note - You appear to be on the wrong page.}

14 Jun 2017 05:38:51
@Ed002

Wasn't the other club that was interested in Matic? If so, have they found someone else they are going for or have they backed out due to a high asking price?

{Ed002's Note - I am sorry - this is the MU page.}

 


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