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18 Mar 2018 22:12:53
That ronaldo chap is a machine 17 goals in last 8 games. Talent without dedication = waste of space.
What a player he became the skinny kid that was ridiculed by many is now widely regarded as one of the best ever.
Any young player looking to make it in the game should look at how he trained how he practised and how he lived his life as a professional footbsller.
Nobody needs the same level of talent to match his dedication.
The messi or ronaldo debate will go on for years we have been blessed as football supporters to have been able to watch them grow and develop into genuine football superstars and legends.

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18 Mar 2018 23:35:20
There is no debate, from my perspective at the moment Ronaldo is better for the simple reason he did it in the EPL, he has done it in Spain and he has done it on the international stage as well, helping an average Portugal win the Euros.

Messi despite being obscenely talented has only ever done it for Barca, he has always fallen short internationally despite playing in an arentina team that individually is made up of far better than Portugal.

Totally agree with you that Ronaldo has dedicated himself to his sport and to self improvement. He is an arrogant SOB who loves himself, but respect where respect is due, he works hard everyday to improve and to be the best. Hence he delivers consistently. I wish Pogba, Shaw and Martial had 1/ 10th of his work ethic. Unfortunately I think they are more wazza than ronaldo.

19 Mar 2018 06:44:31
Huggy i agree with most of that. However it has to be said that while rooney didn't have the same dedication as Ronaldo he delivered for the club and team great things for most of his united career. I felt the last 3 seasons of rooneys stay were 3 seasons too long. If those guys you mentioned deliver like rooney did for most of his career then i'd be delighted.
There are guys like butt neville and dare i say carragher that sqeezed much more from their career than their god given talent would have brought them. They did this by being fully dedicated and commited to their profession. I admire guys like this.

19 Mar 2018 07:50:18
Messi is the best player I've ever seen, I think him and maradona are the best ever .

19 Mar 2018 11:32:54
I prefer Messi but as you say, Ronaldo is a machine. His stats are unbelievable and he just keeps doing it.

19 Mar 2018 12:50:04
the difference is ken as mutch as i like ronaldo he acts like a absoute nob were as messi dose not.

19 Mar 2018 14:07:21
Dazw, from what I have heard Messi is a major tool if he does not get his own way at Barca. He has vetoed transfers, influenced squad selection. He is just as egotistical as ronaldo it’s just that ronaldo is more open about it.

19 Mar 2018 14:30:45
Daz you shock me a pro footballer that acts like a knob😂😂 i wish he was acting the knob playing for us😂
Messi acts the knob too.
I find it hard to split him and messi. Both are great. Maradonna too was amazing but falls behind the 2 of them for me just because he was not as prolific but he played in an era when he was kicked around the place so its harder to get a direct comparison.

19 Mar 2018 14:56:58
Apart from Georgie, obviously, I've never seen a player that can do the things Messi can do with a football. Ronaldo will rightly go down as a great, but when I watch Messi, usually off my seat, I see pure magic.

19 Mar 2018 16:26:51
Maradona is interesting because of how he al OST carried teams. Napoli without him would have won nothing and he was instrumental in winning the World Cup. My memory of him is impacted by his hand of God goal but he was some player.

18 Mar 2018 20:31:26
Just googled jardim. He has 5 Christian names the first of which is Jose! Do we all still want him? Hehe.

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18 Mar 2018 01:38:52

Are we interested in any Prem players? Decoure, Ndidi or Gueye would be decent buys.

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18 Mar 2018 11:52:34

Every match I've seen Gueye in, he does nothing. Just loses the ball all over the field. We already have plenty of those type.

18 Mar 2018 19:40:45
I would be extremely disappointed if that was the calibre of player we were looking at.

18 Mar 2018 17:10:17
Jose even made it on 'Gogglebox' this Friday, the show which is based on watching people watching TV and seeing their reactions.

He was being mocked and laughed at by everybody on the show, (most of them didn't seem to know much about football) . However the image created by the interview shown (MOTD after Liverpool win), spoke volumes and the impression he is leaving about Man Utd as our manager is disgraceful.

One women (who knew nothing about football), said "but didn't his team win, why is he talking about brain damage for the other team - what is he going on about".

Now I don't especially care about 'Gogglebox', but it is interesting that our manager is a source for ridicule in a non-football related program. It is going too far, all I read on comment forums is people laughing about him. I don't buy into this deflection BS either, he has too big an ego to want to be mocked by everybody and their dog.

We are being dragged through the mud, just look how LVG bad mouths us now. I think the club are scared of a Jose backlash if we do axe him, something seems off to me.

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18 Mar 2018 21:08:00
So you don’t watch united anymore because it’s boring but you are watching gogglebox? Says more about you than Jose I think mate.

18 Mar 2018 21:43:39
Who isn't watching Utd anymore?

I'm well rounded GDS2, I get my information/ knowledge from a great deal of sources, not only glasses caked in red paint!

18 Mar 2018 23:14:31
That old one again eh, people just have different opinions.

18 Mar 2018 16:49:43
Leannes I mean leganes just beat the mighty sevilla.

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18 Mar 2018 17:40:11
José doesn't have the players to beat Sevilla, remember. He needs more windows, he's hardly spent anything so far.

18 Mar 2018 17:53:11
That's true, I think he should play more defensive.

18 Mar 2018 14:43:54
There has been a number of posts about Jose slagging of the players in public and here is my opinion.

If my boss humiliated me in public like Jose has done to his players then I would immediately be looking for a new job.
He slagged of Luke Shaw, if he has a problem with him then don't slag him off in public but sell him in the summer.
He discussed McTominay's 'very bad' performance. He is new to the team, he is young and has been playing reasonably well. To criticise his performance to the press is disgraceful.
Did you ever hear Ferguson slag off his players never mind a young player playing his first season in the first team.

Then the comments he made after the Seville game.
Saying that he knocked United out of the champions league twice therefore an exit to Sevilla was no shock. Unforgivable. He should have been apologising.

Then the style of football. I was stood on the Stretford End the day United got relegated so I have seen some dire football at Old Trafford. But to spend as much money as he has and have the team play like they did against Sevilla is dreadful.
He can't play attacking football, he blames everybody but himself, he criticises players in public, he criticises the fans, he wants to spend more and more money, he doesn't promote youth, he is an egotistical horrible man and I didn't want him as manager and United will not get back to attractive football until he is gone.

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18 Mar 2018 15:12:09
Voldman, get off that fence you're sitting on, mate 😉.

18 Mar 2018 20:02:54
"He can't play attacking football. "

The amount of goals he scored at Real, and his first Chelsea side suggests otherwise as does (to a lesser degree the team he won the league with in his second stint) .

"He doesn't promote youth. "

Lingard, McTominay, Rashford are currently playing regularly having come through the academy. He has not stifled any youth player that deserves to be in the first team picture.

The other points are fair but creating points to suit your own agenda is pointless.

19 Mar 2018 13:34:26
Despite playing Rashford and Lingard as well as promoting McTominay, people still insists that Jose does not promote/ play youth. All the other points are rather accurate but seriously, anything to make Jose as bad a person as possible.

18 Mar 2018 10:21:22
Maze is no fan of Jose but this time he in 100 per cent correct in his methods. The Sevilla performances were a disgrace and yes the match against Brighton was poor but that comes with the territory of a shut up shop manager.

Subbing Shaw was the correct move, Young was good when he came on. Shaw isn’t a baby anymore perform or your out - simple. McTom gave the ball away constantly and deserved criticism, everyone was thinking it so why can’t Jose say it?

There is obviously issues with Pogba, in Maze’s opinion seems like a bigger than the club ego situation. If that is the case Fergie would have did the same and culled him from the team. Why can’t Jose?

Maze is no fan of Jose but these players need a boot up the backside, some publicly. What would Arsenal fans give to hear their manager give it to their under performers rather than sugar coating performances over the years? Yes Maze is no Jose fan but he is what this club need at the moment, tough and honest perspective on sub standard players and performances.

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18 Mar 2018 10:44:02
Maze i think for the 1st time in a long time i'm in full agreement with that post.
Spot on and i feel the exact same. Too many people trying to protect too many players with excuse after excuse.
Some say martials not been the same since they took his no 9 off him. Well go get no 9 somewhere else then. Shaw is a disgrace to his profession can't keep himself in shape every coach that ever had him says the same i see people saying jose is bullying him. My oh my he should be used to that every time he plays he gets bullied by his opposing number.
Too many sensitive souls.
Keep calling them out jose.

{Ed001's Note - so you think public humiliation of your staff is the way to go as a manager? It is bullying to publicly humiliate your staff, if you did it then you would deserve to be taken to an industrial tribunal by the staff member and sacked by the company you work for.}

18 Mar 2018 11:23:53
Sorry, Maze, but I really don't think Young did anything much different from Shaw when he came on. I saw José bawling out Young, too at one point. Both got caught out a couple of times. Struck me as him just trying to make a not very subtle point. Young has won me over, but defensively certainly, Shaw is still a much better player, imo.

18 Mar 2018 12:10:59
Young has had his best season in a united shirt noucamp imo. But still not the good enough to be 1st choice again imo. But he is the best option at the club at the moment.
Im the oppisite though i think he is miles better than shaw defensively. I was hoping shaw coulb be a great asset in an attavking sense. His positioning and awareness as a defender is very suspect imo. But he has not fulfilled a tenth of what many thought his potential was. Sure he got a bad leg break but so have many before him and come back just as good but he is not a good professional. He is not in good shape and that let's him down. He could flourish under poch at spurs again but he needs to dedicate himself to his profession.
Unless jose leaves i don't think he will do well at united. Sometimes a manager loses faith in a player (stam and ruud under fergie) and a playee loses faith in a manager. Its tough to turn that around.

18 Mar 2018 13:04:25
The instinct isn't there for me with Young, Ken. That's not his fault. He's been an attacker most of his career. Shaw's had defensive training drilled into him since he was a kid. It becomes second nature.

My own wee lad plays left back/ centre half for his team, but because he's good on the ball, the manager sticks him in midfield or left wing sometimes. Doesn't work - his defensive instincts always kick in, and instead of making the opposition worry about him, he's always looking over his shoulder looking for the gaps they might run into. He's only been playing properly for 7 years, but the defensive thinking is ingrained in him. I look at Young, and I see him getting caught out quite a lot, but his pace and work ethic, much like Toni's gets him out of trouble a lot of times.

I'm waffling a bit, but I'm trying to stress that for Shaw it's instinctive, whereas with Young, he's still learning, and he's not at an age where he has the time to do that properly. Likewise, although Shaw likes to get forward, he doesn't have Young's attacking craft. I think all players react differently to the carrot and the stick, and I think he's the type of player that needs more carrot than stick (probably a lot more carrots! ) and José seems to like the easier targets to pick on.

18 Mar 2018 13:23:15
Thats just it stevie i don't see those defencive instincts in shaw at all.
Im not sure your right there, players performance makes them a target not their personality.
Is pogba an easy target personality and stature wise? Is sanchez?
He has been very crtiticle of pogba why? Because of his play not because he is an easy target.
Was miki an easy target. No. He paid 27m for him so you would have thought he would stick up for him but his performances were indefensible.
So i think your being unfair to jose there. That maybe because you like shaw and its clouding your judgement, which is natural tbh. It may slso be just lashing out in frustration on bash jose day.
The bigger picture for me is that i don't think this squad is strong enough and i genuinrly believe no other manager would have them 2nd. There are any amount of managers that would have us playing a better style but i reckon that would get this squad about as far as arsenal find themselves.
Keep it tight until end of the seadon is my view try to hang on to 2nd get a cup win and then with a few player personnel changes i'm hoping for more points and better style next season.

17 Mar 2018 22:54:43
For everyone who thought the 12 minute speech jose gave was valid.
Nothing will change with him
He is a fruitcake
Everyone's fault now except matic
Scholes was ready to snap
I don't want to dislike the man but the manager does my nut.

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17 Mar 2018 23:09:41
Interesting that he wanted the players to play faster attacking football thought isn't it? Just what we all want.

18 Mar 2018 04:17:29
Gds it's nice of him to say that stuff then put fellaini on and ask us to hoof the ball to him. Actions speak louder than words especially when the words come from a man who will blame anyone but himself for his own faults.

18 Mar 2018 08:58:05
I take absolutely no heed to what Jose says. He's done that all his career. No big surprise now.

Even Keane said it, take no notice.

17 Mar 2018 21:56:34
At least Jose said it wasn't good enough. But a few of those nameless players are about to be axed - Mr Angry. Saying several didn't respond, (I imagine Shaw being the chief culprit), but frankly Shaw didn't look too bad from where I was.

He is doing the old transference trick now. This performance was almost identical to every other this season, but now he rants, haha what a hypocrite. Mr. PR gunning for it.

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17 Mar 2018 22:09:43
I said it on the live chat - I really don't think Young did anything different than Shaw. I think José just doesn't rate him.

{Ed007's Note - The Utd live chat's (swear) hard graft isn't it?}

17 Mar 2018 22:23:04
Tonight was one of the more light-hearted ones, Bond! :)

{Ed007's Note - They're meant to be a place for a blether about the game and a laugh while the game's going on, not just moaning faced whiny bitches just spouting the same stuff they do on the forum. I'll need to sort that out before next season or it's going to get axed!}

17 Mar 2018 23:36:50
There's a few over the top comments, Bond, but I think it's more gallows humour that crops up when we're sitting watching yet another sterile performance. I actually find some of Beast's and Jaime's comments funny, (I usually time Jaime to see when the first negative comment pops up) but others seem to take it quite seriously. I just use it, because it's either that, or talk to the wife.

18 Mar 2018 07:59:16
I dip in and out as it does become a whinge fest. I have it up completely for a while as it was so bad, as usual a few spoiling it for the rest.

18 Mar 2018 08:58:37
It's tough alright.

17 Mar 2018 20:22:48

For the first time in a long time, i'm not going to watch the match tonight. After the abject performance against Sevilla to Mourinho's absolute lack of humility, I simply can't merit spending two hours away from my family to follow a team who play like that (calling them a team is a bit rich) .

Enjoy the match lads, hope i miss the greatest performance of the season.

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17 Mar 2018 21:58:13
Wish I had followed your lead mate.

17 Mar 2018 22:58:01
I sealed myself in an air tight room and cut the cable wire then paid a street urchin to kill anyone who cane near me shouting the score. It was ace.

{Ed007's Note - Redman didn't watch the game but came on the live chat to tell people he wasn't watching and that he wouldn't as long as "that clown is in charge!. Imagine spending your Saturday night doing that... #ThugLife #DownWithThisSortOfThing

17 Mar 2018 23:11:05
Good win in tough conditions, Jose not happy with the performance, good on him, let’s hope they improve the style.

18 Mar 2018 00:11:40
Ed you have the wrong man it was reman.

{Ed007's Note - Damn it! The only reason I didn't kick him and ban him is because I thought it was Redman. Sorry about that, Redman, I'll need to wear my specs in future on the live chat.}

18 Mar 2018 00:43:21
Leahy, the tout :)

{Ed007's Note - Leahy Wallace....

18 Mar 2018 01:13:38
Yeah the only reason RedMan wouldn't be watching is if there was a 'Life and Times of Dave Sexton' documentary clashing with the game.

{Ed007's Note - It's just sssoo depressing. Keep all the moaning and griping to on here, the live chat's meant to be light hearted stuff, getting to know folk and a laugh - not just the same people girning about the same stuff they do on here.
Seriously, why join a live chat about a game just to say you aren't watching the game? That's messed up man! It's just going to end up saomething else the trolls have wasted.}

18 Mar 2018 02:18:58
Always going to happen Ed, it's a good crack for the most part. Yeah there are people that take things too far or are too wound up, but they are the minority. Had a good evening on the Arsenal live chat on Thursday (us Utd fans took over) .

I suppose when things are going bad with the club it's a good place to vent and it's hardly been a joy watching us in recent years. The proper timewasters soon move on to pastures new once nobody engages with them.

{Ed007's Note - The point is it's meant to be fun and a bit of a laugh, obviously if your team's getting beat there's not much to laugh about but the live chat was never supposed to be for the same old debates/moans - the forum's here for that.}

18 Mar 2018 07:36:38
No problem 007 mistaken identity can happen. Agree with you on the moaning. At one point this season I stopped going on Live Chat because ten minutes into a game it wasn’t about the game but calls from the usual few to “sack Jose Pulis”. Got bored with it, I ventured back because I like to comment objectively on what we can see but leave when it becomes toxic.

Beast, if i ever suffer from insomnia a programme about Dave Sexton football would sort me out. People who weren’t watching then have no idea what dull is.

{Ed007's Note - (yes)


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