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24 Apr 2019 12:26:33
Hello Ed002, it's almost April Ending and you said there would be Sharpod coming soon. Is it time almost? Please oblige us fans .

{Ed033's Note - What is a "Sharpod"?

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24 Apr 2019 15:00:09
Ed 033 isn't that the name of the predator's space craft?

{Ed033's Note - Maybe it's the second coming.

23 Apr 2019 17:45:36
Hey Eds
I posted something the other night but it didn't seem to appear. I didn't think it was off limits topic so hopefully it got lost in transmission!

Can anyone clart the situation with Mr Phelan and the search for Technical Director?

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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23 Apr 2019 13:05:57
Of course Sunday’s result was Ole’s fault. Of course it was 'his’ tactics - as he alone chooses them. A lack of man management. Poor substitutions. Because obviously we have a squad that compares to the teams above us. Squads that have one significantly over-paid over-rated member causing disharmony. Squads that also contain one egotistical ‘virus' who was carried in a world-cup by his teammates who now thinks he can stroll around a pitch like a tourist. Squads that are either so unfit or so lazy it is difficult to tell the difference. Squads that still regularly rely on the same centre-back paring that joined the club almost ten years ago. Oh, and of course these are all squads, just like our great squad, that are constructed by knowledgable football people implementing a long term development plan for the first team down through all age groups.

To those, including Red Man, who have used any of the above excuses to criticise Ole - hang your head in shame. It's astonishing, and irrespective of what goal you've stood behind as a supporter it's a 'plastic' assessment that overlooks the absolute mess that the club was in before he arrived. I hope and believe Ole is a shrewd choice, not because of his tactical acumen, I won't pretend to have a handle on that, but because he has a persona that demands respect within this great club. Respect because he has walked the walk, and then some. He was the ultimate super-sub. He scored critical goals at critical periods of a game. Was always ready. Always committed. Always prepared to play anywhere (ask Beckham who last his coveted right midfield position to an ever willing Ole) . He has the absolute understanding of the work-ethic and wider mindset of what is needed to be a top United player. Judge him in the summer. Judge him by the departures just as much as the signings. Judge him by next season’s team selections.

No manager would be successful with this pathetic group of players. Not Pep, Klopp, Poch or Sir Alex. Changes in personnel would have to be made, significant wholesale changes over a period of time, before any progress could be made. To those such as Red Man. Explain how you've given Ole any chance to do that. What on earth do you expect? Now is not the right time to blood Greenwood, Chong etc. Quite frankly the prospect of integrating such fine potential within the current squad (even on the training ground) raises concerns about where the role models are. Where is the Cantona or Ronaldo practising on their own? Where are the Keanes and Scholes to kick them up and down to ground them on life in the big leagues? Where are the players who live for the squad? The O’Sheas and the Fletchers. The Ji Sung Parks and the Phil Nevilles?

They’re long gone, because the Lingards, Pogbas and Martials who are not good enough for United are too busy plotting with their agents or posting utter “drool over me I’m a footballer” garbage on Instagram. Collectively what have they achieved at United? In truth very little. Yes times have changed and social media is one of the new ways of being and communicating, but I would bet that very few of the squad that Ole won all of his honours with would (with the exception of Becks! ) be more humble about how they used it. As such Ole needs time to make the necessary cultural changes inside the club so that the youngsters and new signings are not exposed to what’s going on right now. However the reality of the 'right now’ is that this squad is rancid (quote) leaving Ole to make the best selections he and his coaching team possibly can. My belief is that many of the personalities within the squad are so fragile that picking a team is unbelievably hard. These selections are seldom based on ‘being excellent’ but rather ’not being as bad as some of the alternatives’.

The fact is there is no obvious first team. Even De Gea is on thin ice. More significantly no other obvious tactic beyond the defensive counter attack exists as the players are not fit enough to play a high press over a full match. We also can’t play high up the pitch as out centre backs are too poor. However we also don’t have the defensive players in midfield or in defence to make the 'bus’ work any more. These are not footballing observations equivalent to rocket science. They’re obvious observations and some have been for many years. In short those blaming Ole for Sunday suggest that he alone is either responsible for the last 6-10 years of development, as this situation was conceived way before Sir Alex left, or he is responsible for a major drop in form and playing style that sees us in 6th having been top of the league by 10 points!

A key point is the irony that so many of the critics of Ole still yell for youth on the pitch come Saturday. Unproven talent with bags of potential. It’s the “United way” after all. It’s in our DNA. Well you lose all right to say that if you are not prepared to cut the manager some of the same slack. Every manager has to come through hardships. No manager has been successful without needing a second chance as very few become successful without a failure to learn from along the way. Yes, Ole struggled at Cardiff. It's arguable that Cardiff appointed him for his profile and he should not have gone, however at a similar time many were critical of Giggs for refusing to take a job at a less fashionable club. Ole also succeeded at Molde, no comparison assumed, however very few remember that.

Maybe the time to keep singing about Ole being at the wheel has passed, however I truly hope he is still there in 5 years time. He deserves that period of time as he contributed to one of the most amazing experiences in my life as a United supporter. Remember, we now have our third manager after David Moyes, who should still be managing United based on the contract he was given. Reality check.

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23 Apr 2019 13:24:27
To be fair, he got a few weeks more support from Red Man than Moyes did 😁.

23 Apr 2019 13:59:58
The mentality and lack of professionalism running through our squad currently is comparable to that which Sir Alex first had to deal with when he first took the helm.

Sir Alex had to curb a drinking culture and turn the squad into true professionals. It took the great man 4-5 years to do that. Yet people are blaming Ole for not doing it in a matter of months.

Had social media existed when Sir Alex took over he would have been sacked within two years. Then we would never have had the dominance that followed.

We have to stop with the turning on the manager while they are still halfway through the job. We need to back them. Otherwise we will never return to glory.

23 Apr 2019 14:24:26
One question BRD. Why did the club sack Jose? didn't he say all the same things you are saying. The club is a mess with no real intention or objective to achieve anything. Club needs investment bottom up. We lack a defence, we lack a leader and still finished second. Jose complained about the virus Pogba but the fans turned on him. Jose asked for a defender and rather than backing him he was asked why not play that ever injured and useless Bailly ( Jose's bad investment alongside Pogba) . We backed the players rather than Jose because he wasnt everyones cup of tea. Why now change the stance for Ole with the same set of players? He is also struggling with the bad apples like Jose. Why didn't the club sell Pogba in the summer? Now that an old player is at the helm, we are supposed to back him. If we had to do the manager backing anyway, why was Jose not backed by the fans, he atleast had the will and the strong head to win. If he could finish second with this bunch, imagine with the right players what would he have done.

23 Apr 2019 15:47:07
José was backed by the fans. I detest the man, but I still backed him. It was only in the third season, when he'd alienated everyone with his whining and bleating, that people lost faith in him. I'd say Ole is due a few more months support at least.

23 Apr 2019 15:48:40
Shappy that’s exactly the comparison I thought of as I read BRDs post.

23 Apr 2019 15:51:05
UA you clearly don’t like the club. I am baffled as to why you are still here and even bothering with this conversation.

23 Apr 2019 16:08:54
Ah sorry mike. I didn't realize that wanting the best for the club and not settling for Cardiff rejects constituted for not liking the club?

Fair words Stevie, but the only difference between Jose's third season and the past 3 months is that pogba hasn't come out in the open against the manager. The performances and the results are ditto.

23 Apr 2019 20:19:52
BadRed

What chance? What basis do you trust Ole to spend our money? Which goal was it that he scored showed he could manage one of the worlds biggest clubs or was it the few games he won when taking over? His main experience is in the Norwegian league or Cardiff, yet now due to his legend status we must not question the appointment, just bow and accept the decision. There should have been a process and an interview but there was nothing, It looked like it was an emotional sentimental decision that leaves us desperately hoping it was correct. I hope he succeeds because we are already in crisis yet his tactics have already been found wanting in more recent games, see it, don’t see it, it is there.

23 Apr 2019 22:54:45
Redman it is fair to say that the club jumped the gun. But ole is the manager and imo he deserves our support.
These players do not adhere to tactics redman. Either they can't or simply don't want to.
They couldn't do it for lvg and wouldn't and couldn't do it for jose and for the last few weeks are not doing it for ole.
You can see some are trying and are commited.
You can see a couple are not a 100% fit.
And a few just not good enough even when they try 100%
Then a few who are just lazy
And a couple who have had their heads turned and are just going through the motions.
Give oly a chance. This is a squad that's been poisoned over a 6 year period that's been allowed to rot away to breaking point. Rotten to the core. Let ole put the foundations in. Then judge him at the end of next season.
I know your gut says ole is wrong but he deserves your support mate.
Lets see if he is allowed to cut the weeds out.
He has inherited a poisoned chalice.
He needs a summer ti implement his tactics with players who care.

23 Apr 2019 23:47:29
ken and yet ole said he wants to build a team around the biggest poison pogba pogba needs outing quickly if ole wants to build a team.

24 Apr 2019 07:21:27
Perhaps Ole said that to motivate Pogba, seemed to initially work, I think we now see what Pogba is all about, he’s not what Ole wants of his players, he’s not hard working, he’s not ready to give his all for his team mates, hard work should be the first thing you do as a united players, I said this when he was here first time round and nothing has changed, Pogba just is not that good truth be told.

24 Apr 2019 10:27:53
Top post BRD.

23 Apr 2019 09:22:53
How many fans here really think that the team to finish 4th this season will qualify for the CL on that merit. With 2 English teams still in the Europa Lg . has a feel of when finished top four but we beat them to it via 'backdoor' qualification.

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23 Apr 2019 15:17:59
Shappy, I suspect Jose was sacked for many reasons but two jump to mind immediately.

Firstly, when publicly discussing team matters on a day-to-day basis it was not what he said but the body language suggesting he was being victimised. The disheveled, tired yet hostile posture at virtually every press conference did the commercial brand no good at all. I can imagine press conferences became a very uncomfortable experience for the board. Jose had a lengthy contract and was never going to resign over any difference of opinion with the board or the squad. Fire me expensively or I will gradually reveal more about your gross footballing incompetence seems like a proposition he would have put to EW. It was never going to get better. Its one thing for the supporters to suspect the board are incompetent, however it's another thing completely when the manager announces it publicly. At least Woodward et al. now have an NDA to comfort themselves with for the time being.

Secondly Jose was always saddled with the label of "not the right fit" for United. Rightly or wrongly, there was always the sense that any failure could be put down to a cultural clash between his style of play and United's tradition. Personally I'm not sure how relevant that should ever have been, but it was the get out of jail card that Woodward could rely upon once it became clear that he had to go. To that end I never understood why Jose was sacked prior to any clauses in his contract kicking in? Why not wait until it was mathematically safe to do so at a reduced cost (if true)? Whilst high-valued players were allegedly threatening to leave the club if Jose remained, there was no immediate need to terminate his contract at that point. I've always felt that 'something' happened behind closed doors beyond the poor run of results.

Ole is going to have to be an unexceptionally incompetent manager to be sacked without there being some serious backlash for the Glazers. I hope that in appointing Ole that Woodward has put himself in to a corner. He has to back Ole, not just financially but also in terms of club structure. Whilst the Glazers look set for the long term I don't for one minute believe they will continue to let Woodward screw up the footballing side of the operation (four poor managerial appointments alongside unbelievably poor management of player acquiitions) for much longer, so he has to start getting some things right.

{Ed002's Note - I explained the problems from the day he signed. This is simply making stuff up.}

24 Apr 2019 07:27:09
End of the day, when you hire Jose Mourinho you let José do what needs to be done to improve things. Ed has said on many occasions that the club did not adapt to Jose and he didn’t see us as a progressive club, that there was those at the club that saw Chelsea when they say him. We knew exactly what we was getting the day we hired Jose yet complained when he was telling it as it was in public, that’s Jose, he wants to be allowed to take the club forward, if the club wasn’t willing to allow him to do that then they should never have hired him. I said then and I say now, Jose was let down by the club, by certain players in that drawing room and by some of the fans who just didn’t see beyond Jose and the issues that still plague our club.

23 Apr 2019 09:39:03
There are some terms going round these days with regards to Utd and Phelan and personally I do not know the difference if any, can anyone here assist?
1. Director Of Football
2. Technical Director
3. Footballing Director.

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23 Apr 2019 10:40:28
Read the posts, Ed002 kindly cleared this up yesterday. I think its on the Banter page.

23 Apr 2019 10:47:42
Here you go.
{Ed002's Note - It is to do with responsibilities or the structure of the club. Ignore "Sporting director" as it is not used in England. The DoF would typically have broader responsibilities extending to all footballing activities - youth etc. Technical Directors tend to focus on running the scouting for the first team. }.

23 Apr 2019 10:53:58
Yeah thanks Shappy.

I posted this before getting to that thread. Cheers tho.

23 Apr 2019 09:22:53
How many fans here really think that the team to finish 4th this season will qualify for the CL on that merit. With 2 English teams still in the Europa Lg . has a feel of when finished top four but we beat them to it via 'backdoor' qualification.

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22 Apr 2019 19:18:40
More rubbish from players, saying they didn't perform, they weren't up to it etc, etc we heard it all before it should never be heard as they should know they're playing for Manchester United and that alone should be motivation to work hard and give 100% at all times.

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23 Apr 2019 17:57:39
I think any player admitting to not giving 100% should automatically be dropped and kept as far away from the first team as possible for as long as it takes for the realisation to set in.

22 Apr 2019 15:41:44
If it is true about mike phelan, then that's another wrong decision made. The club is going backwards. The decisions being made are scandalous.

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22 Apr 2019 14:40:24
Ed001, happy Easter mate, I would like to hear your views on what united need to do, staff, players, recruitment, DoF wise now we know Ole is the man and your opinion on what's going on there atm? Thanks as always.

{Ed001's Note - personally the first thing I would do is replace Ole as he is no more than a cheerleader with no tactical acumen or ability to motivate players at all. It was a huge error to give him the job. The new manager and DoF/Technical Director need to be appointed together, as a pair that work in tandem with a similar idea of how football should be played. Oh and Woodward needs to stay well clear of the football side of things, as he has all the football knowledge as a dried up lump of chewing gum stuck to the pavement.

Staff should be chosen by the manager/DoF together, as they need to be ones that work together.

Recruitment is simple, drop the big stars/second class Galactico idea Woodward is working on and buy players with something to prove. That will allow you to lower the wage bill, as well as creating a team with hunger.

For me the United way is not a playing style as such, it is about creating a team through coaching them into a team of top players, not about buying them ready made. It should be about clever use of the academy and investment in young talent to create a squad that is cohesive and works as a whole together as one. The great teams grow together.}

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22 Apr 2019 17:04:21
Love it ed. Great assessment and one I whole heartedly agree with.

Sadly though, this will not happen. They'll throw another 200m at it and hope it papers over cracks. Give us a couple more prima Donna's and overpaid mediocre players and it will be the same again.

The squad, the structure, the managers, none of it is good enough.

It's a sad time for United and one that will be around for a while I fear.

{Ed001's Note - until Woodward's role is dealt with (imo it should be a role in a completely different company as he is nothing but an anchor weighing down United) it does not really matter much who comes in or goes out.}

22 Apr 2019 17:25:34
Agreed ed. It's been happening for years now.

22 Apr 2019 21:59:31
Looks like that will only happen if the glazers eventually sell.

Woodwards role being dealt with i mean.

22 Apr 2019 13:23:12
Do madrid want pogba? What are they prepared to pay?
If the answer is they do want him and are prepared to pay a small increase on what we paid for him i would opt to sell him assuming he wanted to go.
Im not doubting his talent or his ability i just don't think his heart is in it.
He i'm sure will excel elsewhere and i would wish him well.

{Ed002's Note - This has been dealt with over and over.}

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22 Apr 2019 14:10:52
Sorry ed002 not directed at you.

22 Apr 2019 14:30:19
I would be prepared to take a small hit on what we paid for him to see him move on. He might be our most talented outfield player, but he is a symbol of everything that is wrong with our club at the moment. Move him on and start a rebuild.

{Ed004's Note - tbf if Madrid so badly want Pogba it would probably be in our best interests to try and get Varane involved in any deal. Realistically if we could replace Pogba with Varane and say Saul, it would improve our side. Getting to the stage where I think we should be looking to move him on if hes not 100% committed}

22 Apr 2019 16:32:21
I agree ed004 but do madrid really want him? Have they the stomach for the bs that goes with him.
Do they want pogba as the face of their rebuild?
If so put a deal on the table. I know swaps are rare but i'd take varane in a heartbeat and saul would be an unbelievable signing.

{Ed004's Note - I think Madrid definitely want them, Zidane coming out and praising him (which I think reflects poorly on Madrid) and their whole media team seem to be on a public crusade to get him signed}

22 Apr 2019 17:05:34
Fingers crossed you are right.

What was it Jose called him? A virus?

He's not too far off.

22 Apr 2019 17:16:11
Hope it gets done quickly then ed004.
What do you make of martial ed? Do you think we will ever see the best if him at United?

{Ed004's Note - Im not sure what to make of Martial anymore. He has all the talent in the world but thats pointless if you dont have the work rate to go with it. Hes so lazy on and off the ball. Starting to lose faith in him}

22 Apr 2019 17:46:15
Wow angel its been a few weeks since i read that😂😂😂.

22 Apr 2019 22:03:30
Great opening post ken, i share similar thoughts on pogba, he is an excellent player and i feel he has been let down by the recruitment side in terms of pairing him with equally talented players.

He was never going to have that loyalty and heart for the badge as most modern players don't but he is a top player and will flourish at pastures new.

But i don't think a club even with madrids rebuild will pay an exorbitant fee for him like we did to get him out of juventus.

My fear is we will end up taking high priced, high wages older players like bale, kroos or isco off real madrids hands and shoot ourselves in the foot even more.

23 Apr 2019 06:11:24
Pogba is 3/ 5 of the way through his contract. If United get £60m and get his wages off the books they will make a decent profit on his amortized value.

23 Apr 2019 06:59:19
If we sell Pogba to Real, I would ask for Casemiro in return. He will bring lots of energy and fight in the midfield.
Varane's injury record is still not convincing.

 


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