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18 Mar 2018 10:21:22
Maze is no fan of Jose but this time he in 100 per cent correct in his methods. The Sevilla performances were a disgrace and yes the match against Brighton was poor but that comes with the territory of a shut up shop manager.

Subbing Shaw was the correct move, Young was good when he came on. Shaw isn’t a baby anymore perform or your out - simple. McTom gave the ball away constantly and deserved criticism, everyone was thinking it so why can’t Jose say it?

There is obviously issues with Pogba, in Maze’s opinion seems like a bigger than the club ego situation. If that is the case Fergie would have did the same and culled him from the team. Why can’t Jose?

Maze is no fan of Jose but these players need a boot up the backside, some publicly. What would Arsenal fans give to hear their manager give it to their under performers rather than sugar coating performances over the years? Yes Maze is no Jose fan but he is what this club need at the moment, tough and honest perspective on sub standard players and performances.

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18 Mar 2018 10:44:02
Maze i think for the 1st time in a long time i'm in full agreement with that post.
Spot on and i feel the exact same. Too many people trying to protect too many players with excuse after excuse.
Some say martials not been the same since they took his no 9 off him. Well go get no 9 somewhere else then. Shaw is a disgrace to his profession can't keep himself in shape every coach that ever had him says the same i see people saying jose is bullying him. My oh my he should be used to that every time he plays he gets bullied by his opposing number.
Too many sensitive souls.
Keep calling them out jose.

{Ed001's Note - so you think public humiliation of your staff is the way to go as a manager? It is bullying to publicly humiliate your staff, if you did it then you would deserve to be taken to an industrial tribunal by the staff member and sacked by the company you work for.}

18 Mar 2018 11:23:53
Sorry, Maze, but I really don't think Young did anything much different from Shaw when he came on. I saw José bawling out Young, too at one point. Both got caught out a couple of times. Struck me as him just trying to make a not very subtle point. Young has won me over, but defensively certainly, Shaw is still a much better player, imo.

18 Mar 2018 12:10:59
Young has had his best season in a united shirt noucamp imo. But still not the good enough to be 1st choice again imo. But he is the best option at the club at the moment.
Im the oppisite though i think he is miles better than shaw defensively. I was hoping shaw coulb be a great asset in an attavking sense. His positioning and awareness as a defender is very suspect imo. But he has not fulfilled a tenth of what many thought his potential was. Sure he got a bad leg break but so have many before him and come back just as good but he is not a good professional. He is not in good shape and that let's him down. He could flourish under poch at spurs again but he needs to dedicate himself to his profession.
Unless jose leaves i don't think he will do well at united. Sometimes a manager loses faith in a player (stam and ruud under fergie) and a playee loses faith in a manager. Its tough to turn that around.

18 Mar 2018 13:04:25
The instinct isn't there for me with Young, Ken. That's not his fault. He's been an attacker most of his career. Shaw's had defensive training drilled into him since he was a kid. It becomes second nature.

My own wee lad plays left back/ centre half for his team, but because he's good on the ball, the manager sticks him in midfield or left wing sometimes. Doesn't work - his defensive instincts always kick in, and instead of making the opposition worry about him, he's always looking over his shoulder looking for the gaps they might run into. He's only been playing properly for 7 years, but the defensive thinking is ingrained in him. I look at Young, and I see him getting caught out quite a lot, but his pace and work ethic, much like Toni's gets him out of trouble a lot of times.

I'm waffling a bit, but I'm trying to stress that for Shaw it's instinctive, whereas with Young, he's still learning, and he's not at an age where he has the time to do that properly. Likewise, although Shaw likes to get forward, he doesn't have Young's attacking craft. I think all players react differently to the carrot and the stick, and I think he's the type of player that needs more carrot than stick (probably a lot more carrots! ) and José seems to like the easier targets to pick on.

18 Mar 2018 13:23:15
Thats just it stevie i don't see those defencive instincts in shaw at all.
Im not sure your right there, players performance makes them a target not their personality.
Is pogba an easy target personality and stature wise? Is sanchez?
He has been very crtiticle of pogba why? Because of his play not because he is an easy target.
Was miki an easy target. No. He paid 27m for him so you would have thought he would stick up for him but his performances were indefensible.
So i think your being unfair to jose there. That maybe because you like shaw and its clouding your judgement, which is natural tbh. It may slso be just lashing out in frustration on bash jose day.
The bigger picture for me is that i don't think this squad is strong enough and i genuinrly believe no other manager would have them 2nd. There are any amount of managers that would have us playing a better style but i reckon that would get this squad about as far as arsenal find themselves.
Keep it tight until end of the seadon is my view try to hang on to 2nd get a cup win and then with a few player personnel changes i'm hoping for more points and better style next season.

17 Mar 2018 22:54:43
For everyone who thought the 12 minute speech jose gave was valid.
Nothing will change with him
He is a fruitcake
Everyone's fault now except matic
Scholes was ready to snap
I don't want to dislike the man but the manager does my nut.

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17 Mar 2018 23:09:41
Interesting that he wanted the players to play faster attacking football thought isn't it? Just what we all want.

18 Mar 2018 04:17:29
Gds it's nice of him to say that stuff then put fellaini on and ask us to hoof the ball to him. Actions speak louder than words especially when the words come from a man who will blame anyone but himself for his own faults.

18 Mar 2018 08:58:05
I take absolutely no heed to what Jose says. He's done that all his career. No big surprise now.

Even Keane said it, take no notice.

17 Mar 2018 21:56:34
At least Jose said it wasn't good enough. But a few of those nameless players are about to be axed - Mr Angry. Saying several didn't respond, (I imagine Shaw being the chief culprit), but frankly Shaw didn't look too bad from where I was.

He is doing the old transference trick now. This performance was almost identical to every other this season, but now he rants, haha what a hypocrite. Mr. PR gunning for it.

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17 Mar 2018 22:09:43
I said it on the live chat - I really don't think Young did anything different than Shaw. I think José just doesn't rate him.

{Ed007's Note - The Utd live chat's (swear) hard graft isn't it?}

17 Mar 2018 22:23:04
Tonight was one of the more light-hearted ones, Bond! :)

{Ed007's Note - They're meant to be a place for a blether about the game and a laugh while the game's going on, not just moaning faced whiny bitches just spouting the same stuff they do on the forum. I'll need to sort that out before next season or it's going to get axed!}

17 Mar 2018 23:36:50
There's a few over the top comments, Bond, but I think it's more gallows humour that crops up when we're sitting watching yet another sterile performance. I actually find some of Beast's and Jaime's comments funny, (I usually time Jaime to see when the first negative comment pops up) but others seem to take it quite seriously. I just use it, because it's either that, or talk to the wife.

18 Mar 2018 07:59:16
I dip in and out as it does become a whinge fest. I have it up completely for a while as it was so bad, as usual a few spoiling it for the rest.

18 Mar 2018 08:58:37
It's tough alright.

17 Mar 2018 20:22:48

For the first time in a long time, i'm not going to watch the match tonight. After the abject performance against Sevilla to Mourinho's absolute lack of humility, I simply can't merit spending two hours away from my family to follow a team who play like that (calling them a team is a bit rich) .

Enjoy the match lads, hope i miss the greatest performance of the season.

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17 Mar 2018 21:58:13
Wish I had followed your lead mate.

17 Mar 2018 22:58:01
I sealed myself in an air tight room and cut the cable wire then paid a street urchin to kill anyone who cane near me shouting the score. It was ace.

{Ed007's Note - Redman didn't watch the game but came on the live chat to tell people he wasn't watching and that he wouldn't as long as "that clown is in charge!. Imagine spending your Saturday night doing that... #ThugLife #DownWithThisSortOfThing

17 Mar 2018 23:11:05
Good win in tough conditions, Jose not happy with the performance, good on him, let’s hope they improve the style.

18 Mar 2018 00:11:40
Ed you have the wrong man it was reman.

{Ed007's Note - Damn it! The only reason I didn't kick him and ban him is because I thought it was Redman. Sorry about that, Redman, I'll need to wear my specs in future on the live chat.}

18 Mar 2018 00:43:21
Leahy, the tout :)

{Ed007's Note - Leahy Wallace....

18 Mar 2018 01:13:38
Yeah the only reason RedMan wouldn't be watching is if there was a 'Life and Times of Dave Sexton' documentary clashing with the game.

{Ed007's Note - It's just sssoo depressing. Keep all the moaning and griping to on here, the live chat's meant to be light hearted stuff, getting to know folk and a laugh - not just the same people girning about the same stuff they do on here.
Seriously, why join a live chat about a game just to say you aren't watching the game? That's messed up man! It's just going to end up saomething else the trolls have wasted.}

18 Mar 2018 02:18:58
Always going to happen Ed, it's a good crack for the most part. Yeah there are people that take things too far or are too wound up, but they are the minority. Had a good evening on the Arsenal live chat on Thursday (us Utd fans took over) .

I suppose when things are going bad with the club it's a good place to vent and it's hardly been a joy watching us in recent years. The proper timewasters soon move on to pastures new once nobody engages with them.

{Ed007's Note - The point is it's meant to be fun and a bit of a laugh, obviously if your team's getting beat there's not much to laugh about but the live chat was never supposed to be for the same old debates/moans - the forum's here for that.}

18 Mar 2018 07:36:38
No problem 007 mistaken identity can happen. Agree with you on the moaning. At one point this season I stopped going on Live Chat because ten minutes into a game it wasn’t about the game but calls from the usual few to “sack Jose Pulis”. Got bored with it, I ventured back because I like to comment objectively on what we can see but leave when it becomes toxic.

Beast, if i ever suffer from insomnia a programme about Dave Sexton football would sort me out. People who weren’t watching then have no idea what dull is.

{Ed007's Note - (yes)

17 Mar 2018 12:35:42
Wow, Jose Keegan, magic.

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17 Mar 2018 15:41:10
Except we've no chance of winning the league 😂.

17 Mar 2018 17:56:27
But i'd love it if we beat them. Love it.

16 Mar 2018 10:58:21
Umtiti's comments post Chelsea game "We tried to defend well, but we defended too much for my liking, " the centre-back told French television.

"Our game is more [about] going forward, playing in our opponent's half. But the most important thing is we qualified. We suffered, but that will serve us well in the matches to come. "

I think we can cross this one off the summer transfer list.

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15 Mar 2018 13:11:02

So it seems mourinho has lost the fans backing from reading the posts on here and other forums and social media. How long before he loses the backing of the board? I think some players would be happy to see the back of him. I'd love to know if he has full support from the owners and execs.

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15 Mar 2018 13:24:22

I was looking forward to Mourinho and seeing what idea's he had for the team after the sterile football under LVG, the sterile football has continued, only now we muster up a win every now and then instead of the draws we used to put up with under LVG. Tuesday night was the straw that broke the camels back for me, cowardly, unimaginative and insipid football. Jose and the team should be ashamed and Jose should be sacked for his after match comments alone. José out!

15 Mar 2018 17:14:58
Every now and then? We are 2nd in the league.

15 Mar 2018 18:07:45
How many points behind city angel?

15 Mar 2018 20:40:16
Quite a few CSM? Does this question help the argument of a win every now and then?

19 Mar 2018 13:41:04
CSM, how many points are we being the likes of Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal last season and how many points are they behind us this season?

angelred, i think that's how he win any and every argument.

15 Mar 2018 14:17:13

Ok looking to the future I think it's time to get back to basics.

If we're going to challenge City next season I think it's important to finish the season strongly and look to field what Jose considers to be his strongest side for each remaining game. Give the team some consistency, try to forge some kind of identity and let's see if they can create some proper relationships and understandings.

If I'm being positive good victories over Chelsea and L'pool should have cemented a top 4 finish (baring a disaster) and whilst an FA Cup win would be a nice I'd rather watch us trying to win than stopping the opposition should we progress on Saturday and face either Chelsea or Spurs at some point.

I'd stop trying to accommodate Pogba and just accept his limitations defensively. I'd gamble on the fact that more often than not he'll give us more going the other way. Mctominay has proved that he can come in and sit next to Matic and we can use him like this should the game dictate.

I think Fellaini should have played his last game for the Club. Not because I think he's a terrible player but he's still not signed a contract and i'd rather see young Mctominay develop. It's also just too tempting to play long and I'm tired of the argument that's he crucial in helping us defend and attack set pieces. I'd love to know the stats on this. I can't remember him scoring that many goals from corners or set pieces and do we really concede less from set pieces when he's in the team, I think this is a myth.

I'd like to see Shaw be given a chance at left back. Young has deputised admirably but he's not the future of our Club. Give Shaw an extended run so we can all see for ourselves if he's got what it takes.

I hear the clamour to drop Sanchez but this would be a mistake in my opinion. Yes he's been poor but good players don't turn bad over night. Give him a defined role and let him play himself back into form. He needs to get used to his new teammates and this won't happen from the bench. I'd play him at No 10 or as more of a second striker behind Lukaku.

I'd like to see Martial back on the left wing competing with Rashford like we saw earlier in the season.

On the right I'd play Mata. He's the only one of our attackers that is able to get on the ball and dictate the play. He brings balance to the team.

With Bailly back from injury this could be the perfect opportunity to pair him with Lindelof and see if they can forge the partnership we all hoped for.

(Lingard may consider himself a little unlucky but a fantastic 10 game spell just isn't enough for me at the moment. Sanchez has proved his class over a number of seasons and I think Mata offers more balance. He can still be effective from the bench) .

My team would be 4-2-3-1.

De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Martial (left), Sanchez (central), Mata (right) with Lukaku up front.

{Ed004's Note - I agree that the rest of this season should be used almost as an extending training period for next season. Get the early preperation in now. However, I would go for another formation. I would look like to see Young take over from Valencia for a while due to his better delivery and his ability to beat a man with Shaw coming in at left back. Bailly and Lindelof should get a run of games together to see if they can form a partnership and if not then a cb should come in (Alderwereild, Umtiti or Koulibaly).

You mention we should not be worrying about Pogbas defensive liabilities however, they will still be there next season. I would play a midfield 3 of Matic/Carrick, Herrera/McTominay and Pogba for the rest of the season and try to get the balance sorted out. Sanchez/Mata wide right with a free role to playmake with Lukaku central and Martisl/Rashford out competing on the left side. Sanchez should suit the free role and would add more pace than Mata so can track back and play a high pressing system. Additionally Young will have plenty of room to attack and cross for the likes of Lukaku, Pogba and Martial/Rashford who will be coming in from the other side.

The main thing I want to see now is aggression though. We have nothing left to play for, we don't have to park the bus against anyone really, so I just want to see us play 10 yards higher up the pitch. This would be massive for us. Sanchez and Pogba shouldn't have to be dropping into our own half to start attacks. Then in the summer add two aggressive and athletic full backs (Bellerin/Cancelo and Sandro/Tierney) and a world class mobile midfielder (ideal world Veratti but more realistically Jorginho). The suggested signings are just players who would be ideal for the roles needed to make our team better}

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15 Mar 2018 15:04:48
Shaw for me should be 1 of the summer outs alongside fellaini, darmian, zlatan, carrick and blind. He clearly can't keep himself in shape and we don't have a team where we can carry anymore passengers.

I would also bench Sanchez, I know people are taking the longer view but he has been appalling rather he have a break now and come refreshed after the summer for a new season than another 8-10 games where he stinks up the joint.

I think we need to buy a cb regardless of whether lindelof settles or not, Smalling, Jones and rojo can't be trusted and should be gotten rid of. Would love any of those mentioned above ed004.

I have been saying since summer we need new fb's we really missed the trick not going for semedo in summer. I am not sure about bellerin but one of Sandro or Tierney would be wonderful.

{Ed004's Note - I'm getting to the stage where I think Shaw should go as well. Really annoyed me last run out when he was obviously over weight. But it would take even more investment this summer. I would bench Sanchez for the game but think we need to play him into form and get him ready for next season. A new cb looks highly likely and I'd sell two of Jones, Rojo or Smalling in that order. In fact I'd sell all 3 and promote Tuanzebe and Mensah but Jose will not do that}

15 Mar 2018 15:39:27
Pretty much bang on that ed004. The worrying thing is that it just seems bloody obvious but I doubt Mourinho will do anything like it and we will continue with the baffling and eratic selections and tactics.

15 Mar 2018 11:04:38
Now that United are out of champions league who do you guys and girls think will win
I fancy city Barcelona final Barcelona to win.

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15 Mar 2018 09:41:11
I'm still angry at the performance on Tuesday night, I don't think it will abate but surely Jose's commentary after the match is the straw that broke the camel's back. Jose seems to revel in being controversial, his criticism of the crowd is sometimes warranted but it is a two way street, the pedestrian, lazy unimaginative football could drive an insomniac into a Rip Van Winkle slumber and will not fire any crowd into rapturous applause. People seem to quote SAF's first few years at the club as an example to measure any relatively new or incumbent manager by but the game has moved on exponentially since then, Man Utd was nearly sold for the princely sum of £12m in 1989 and since then the club has moved into the stratosphere in regard of how it is now valued financially. Jose should not be given the same slack as SAF was afforded, SAF was not given a transfer budget that would make nearly all of the worlds clubs envious, SAF had financial constraints but he managed to build a successful team. Had SAF been given the kind of budget made available to Jose then it could be argued that he might have gone on to win more titles. Jose might have secured a few friends in the boardroom and bought himself a little more time at the club due to the brace of trophies he secured the club last season but the milk of human kindness the fans have given him till now is surely going off. This fan was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but the cowardly, gutless and insipid manner in which Jose and the team surrendered their place in the last eight of the champions league and his comments pertaining to how we shouldn't be used to accepting anything better have shifted my opinion. Jose shouldn't be given another penny to waste on buying the latest high priced superstar so that he can turn them backward, Jose out!

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