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13 Jan 2018 12:17:15
I’m hoping City smash the Scousers tomorrow, 5-0 will do for me. I don’t think we can catch them so that would help us stay ahead and also shut Klopp up. There no result that ticks all the boxes so I’m hoping for a drubbing.

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13 Jan 2018 13:04:30
Agreed AJH. Keep them quiet.

11 Jan 2018 20:39:00
Not United related, but funny to see the forest lad who scored two against Arsenal has got a dog, he's named it Gunner 🤣.

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10 Jan 2018 18:27:21
Do you think we could pull off signing Lorenzo Pellegrini with Darmian going the other way?

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10 Jan 2018 19:03:03
Definitely Ronnie. Should put a bet on it!

10 Jan 2018 19:43:09
Ronnie. If had a bet on all your suggestions I, and the club would be broke long since.

10 Jan 2018 20:05:44
I can see Ronnie in the playground with his football cards. Swops.

10 Jan 2018 21:51:11
Angel😂😂.

10 Jan 2018 23:49:44
Ronnie,

I got some magic beans, you interested?

11 Jan 2018 16:59:03
You are all buggers! 😂.

{Ed002's Note - They are showing their ignorance Ronnie. Manchester United are indeed one of the clubs interested in Lorenzo Pellegrini but one side wo had discussions with Roma were told he doesn't want to move at this time and Roma don't want to sell him.}

11 Jan 2018 17:29:33
Thanks Ed!

11 Jan 2018 21:31:48
Sorry to have ever doubted you Ronnie, good on ya. You throw enough, something at some point will stick 😂.

12 Jan 2018 07:42:38
He called dendonker too.

09 Jan 2018 18:22:28
Am I the only one who forgot that we previously signed Sergej milinkovic-savic's 6"8" brother Vanja who now plays in goal for Torino.

We signed him in 2014 and released him a year later after we could not get him a work permit.

Maybe he can put in a good word for us.

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09 Jan 2018 19:35:13
Interesting point Huggy, good to know about it. However, not sure a good word would be enough. It’s money that talks.

10 Jan 2018 06:36:15
Fair play Huggy. Maybe Paul Pogba will be playing at St Etienne next season. The logic on this page is truly a worrying sign for mankind. Drivel.

10 Jan 2018 11:37:58
Hey Maze, so nice to have you back.

Just wondering if you could tell us what you believe is illogical about a former player of a club telling his brother about the club he is possibly considering signing for? I would have thought it a nigh on certainty that, if Savic is considering us, he will speak to his brother at some point about what the place is like.

Also, while you're at it, it would be good to hear why you think the St Etienne comparison is an apt one, as Paul Pogba, last I checked, wasn't a viable target for them.

I await your considered response with baited breath.

10 Jan 2018 12:41:38
Did you not watch the Europa League last season, RWWD?

10 Jan 2018 12:54:03
Good post rwwd.

10 Jan 2018 17:35:56
Wasting your time rwwd the lift doesn't go all the way to the top floor there😂.

11 Jan 2018 03:05:59
RWWD do you really think that his brother can convince him to join United? Is his brother going to ring up his agent, representatives and employees to say “he is my brother, forget the finances and rip up his contract as he must play with me in the same team”. Ridiculous.

If you like the Maze can run through the transfer process with you. For all you know the brothers may be estranged. Going by this logic every sibling on earth who work in a similar industry would be working in the same organisation, firm or directorate just because they can convince one another to do something.

Use your brain. Individuals think for themselves, their siblings do not do it for them. Twaddle.

11 Jan 2018 07:38:23
In fact I have just re-read this post to see the your goalie has moved to Italy and isn’t even on United’s books anymore. Your scope in this debate is getting worse.

11 Jan 2018 10:12:05
So is the answer, no, I can't explain what is illogical about someone asking their brother's advice about a potential transfer to a place they once played?

You've prattled on about persuading and ripping up contracts and every sibling being in the same industry but not actually answered the question. I'll leave it to the reader to decide if this straw manning is indicative of stupidity or deliberate dodging on your part.

11 Jan 2018 14:50:36
Yeah it would be great if The Maze could run through the transfer process, please!

11 Jan 2018 14:51:55
Maze, what I think RWWD is saying (and forgive me if I am wrong) is that if there is any likelihood that we may sign Savic maybe he would speak to his brother who has been at the club, experienced the City, facilities etc and might be able to recommend all of the above to his brother in the same way that I might recommend a school I have previously worked in or otherwise to my brother if he was considering moving to that school.

It was entirely hypothetical but not drivel. Let's all be nicer.

11 Jan 2018 17:38:37
He doesn't know how 12 days.

07 Jan 2018 18:23:24
Arsenal fans seem to be furious about being linked with johnny Evans. Looking st today performance perhaps they could do with a defender or 4.

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10 Jan 2018 00:06:53
He's better than what they have.

07 Jan 2018 12:39:30

Football is about to eat itself, it cannot be right and it is economic madness that a single player can be sold for a fee that is beyond some of the biggest clubs transfer budgets for two to three windows. Where will it all end? I'll tell you, it will end in the ruination of some of the so called big names in world football. The seed has been sown and it cannot be right that the commodity that ensures the health and competitive nature of the game (the players) are too expensive for almost every club bar four or five globally. At this rate football deserves to die.

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07 Jan 2018 13:56:27

The exponential rise in transfer fees and wages recently is pretty abhorrent. “But it’s market forces” people will say and sadly that appears to be true, but it doesn’t make it right.



Interestingly, Juan Mata set out to persuade footballers to donate 1% of their salaries to a charity. Now I am sure that some footballers have their own good causes but I think so far there are less than 40 players globally that have signed up. In the UK, you can claim income tax back on charitable donations so effectively 1% is only 0.6%. If a player earns £1M a year, that’s £6K, yet very few have signed up.



Someone posted that they had fallen out of love with the game and had more important things in their life and I am starting to feel that way. I guess we have been lucky that as a very rich club we have been able to compete but imagine being a Stoke fan (as a example) . Never going to win anything, just trying to stay in the EPL to keep the cash cow running.



In Spain, only 2 teams will win the League, in Germany Bayern now win it every year, there is very little competition in the top leagues across Europe and it will only get worse as the rich get richer. What Leicester did was incredible but it was a freakish fluke.



It is becoming obscene and it just doesn’t sit easy with me,

07 Jan 2018 14:48:53

Agreed with everything you said AJH.

07 Jan 2018 16:25:44

I agree with you AJH. We are fast approaching the much talked about breakaway league by the 'super power's and while i don't know enough about the proposed details of how that breakaway would work I think it's safe to say that football as people from our generation knew it is about to change again for this new generation of supporters.



I remember my grandfather telling me what players used to earn in his day. So the move from that to £1000 per week was just as huge.

He said the same when Trevor Francis became the first 1m player in 78/ 79 football is finished he said. A season ticket cost him about 40 quid in those days.

He hated it when players were earning 10k per week. Football was finished he said

But here we are. My grandad is now gone and here I am saying the same things you are.

I don't like it I don't see how its sustainable under the current model. So the super powers will change the model. It will suit the new generation. We will become the grandfather's telling the kids 'it wasn't like that in our day'😂😂.

07 Jan 2018 18:23:24
How long before fans are only concerned with supporting teams that can and do spend the most cash, have a chance of winning things . It gets more like that every season
Ed said the proposed super league would have no relegation so would new fans only support 1 of the 18 teams in it .

07 Jan 2018 19:40:26
When the Disney/ Fox deal was being talked about the other day, I noticed something surprising. I haven't fact checked it, but the report/ article said that Sky was actually losing money with the Premier League now. It was talking about how certain parts of the deal didn't make sense, the actual Sky News and Sky Sports part of the business lose money it said.

So one good recession and I think the rug will be pulled from the immense broadcasting monies paid to clubs, with more and more player contracts being long term and I think typical rights deals are only 3 years that leaves a big gap - this could catch a lot of big clubs out imo. Especially as during a recession less people will be paying to go or to watch on TV - but players contracts will need to be paid.

It's a very complex thing and no way I can sum it all up in two short paragraphs, but I reckon the destruction of major clubs may start with the next recession as they are too exposed to weak sponsors (carrying a lot of debt) and broadcasters who will shed the loss aspects of their business ASAP. Clubs need to be reckless to stay at the top for the most part, some will be caught with their pants down if the economy takes a nose dive (which is due) .

07 Jan 2018 19:58:03
Totally agree AJH.
Twas me that was disillusioned.
Now supporting Sleaford Town (20th in the United Counties PREMIER league)
I now avoid the angst and expense, and just enjoy 22 hard at it playing all out in an honest game.
Don't think I will quite ever get MU out of the blood, certainly couldn't change allegiance in the league. Total heresy!

07 Jan 2018 21:34:32
The investment into the EPL from overseas, with all the the major clubs being owned by foreign interests, means that the cultural links that used to exist between the owners and the supporters have all but disappeared. So much income is derived from nationally and internationally modeled commercial contracts that it exacerbates the rift between the interests of the owners and the supporters. It is hard to credit it but once upon a time, not so very long ago, teams purchased their own kit!

In these circumstances the interests of the local supporters has been relegated to the realms of inconsequential. Financial interests, whatever the are, will prevail. Will that entail a European Super League? Quite possibly.

07 Jan 2018 23:50:31
I go to see Ballymena Utd most weeks (my home club) . Keeps me grounded, even during the Fergie years. I used to go over for about 10 games a season, home and away, and all round Europe following Utd, but I've never forgotten that grassroots football needs our support. Seeing Ballymena host the mighty Roma, back in the early 80s in a European Cup Winners tie, still gives me as many fond memories as being in the Noucamp in 99.

{Ed007's Note - I had you down as a Linfield fan, Stevie.}

10 Jan 2018 13:44:38
Belfast team, Bond. I hate Belfast. I'm a sheep-shagger at heart, hence the affection for my adopted city of Aberdeen as well.

{Ed007's Note - I thought you were from Aberdeen originally.}

11 Jan 2018 14:59:44
Beast you are totally right that Sky are losing millions over the premier league deal. They were pushed by the financial might of BT and were forced into paying way more than they would have done if BT were not involved in the bidding process. That was part of what has prompted Sky's bigger influence on the crackdown on Pubs showing illegal football streams.

12 Jan 2018 00:32:59
No, Bond. I'm an Ulsterman, who just had the good fortune of spending some great years in Aberdeen. Although I met my wife there, so it wasn't all rainbows and unicorns.

{Ed007's Note - I thought it was the other way round for some reason. Aberdeen's a nice place to live if you're loaded and don't mind being freezing cood 24/7. I worked up there for a few months in my early 20's (Mon -Fri and home for the weekend) and had a great time - my first visit to a lap dancing club was during that time and the red light district was a real eye opener for me compared to what I had seen in Glasgow.}

14 Jan 2018 02:28:59
I wouldn't know about that sort of thing.

06 Jan 2018 18:40:58
When I saw that Liverpool have sold Coutinho for £142m, likely including add ons, I thought good player but Liverpool have pulled Barca's pants down with that one at that amount. I feel the cash will make Liverpool more dangerous, the top four a bit harder if they spend the money wisely, They have already committed funds but let's see what they do now. Tongue in cheek I would recommend they buy a Wigan wide player for about £17m.

Going to be an interesting few months ahead.

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06 Jan 2018 18:45:38
Doubt it. There owners are like ours, spend some but pocket a lot.

06 Jan 2018 18:52:41
They should be able to get Fraser Forster, Steven Davis and Charlie Austin with that amount. Don’t worry Red Man, A’s much as they will tell you otherwise losing their best player (again) is not going to make them stronger.

06 Jan 2018 21:05:23
Bjt GDS2, they found a replacement for suarez, oh wait.

06 Jan 2018 22:01:46
They will lose Salah in the summer and watch the breakdown on their site.

Although, as soon as the player signs for them he is world class, or has potential to be, so should not be a problem for them to replace him.

Gift that keeps giving they are.

07 Jan 2018 00:37:06
They’ve signed Keita ( v good player ) and Van Dijk. Have strong interest in Lemar. I think your kidding yourselves if you don’t think they’re making good progress these days.

07 Jan 2018 09:19:22
Progress yes stand i agree but the replacement of couts will be difficult. Then add to that they will lose mane (best in the prem IMO) and they then have a suarez issue all over again.

07 Jan 2018 10:51:35
You have mane as the best player in the PL? Wow.

07 Jan 2018 11:41:11
Rather than mocking, maybe we should ask how they managed to identify and attract such good players for relatively little money.

We should at least try to get this part right first before we worry about how great we are at keeping top top players.

07 Jan 2018 13:31:09
Sorry i meant one of the best.

07 Jan 2018 14:15:36
liverpool nearly have a good side. they just need to buy a decent keeper and a proper striker. vd and keita along with a keeper and striker and liverpool will be challenging for trophies.

11 Jan 2018 12:39:02
Remind me again how much Mane and Salah cost? Not exactly cheap unknowns.

06 Jan 2018 13:23:02
This isn't football related, just wondering if any of the posters have separated from their wives and if so what advice they could give me, apart from good luck.

Cheers.

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06 Jan 2018 14:41:56
Sorry to hear this mate. I fortunately haven't had to deal with this so I can't give you any advice specifically for this situation.

What I can say though is you need to try your best to keep positive, think positive thoughts, keep active. Now might be a good time to take up a new hobby, something you can enjoy and look forward to.
There are positives in nearly every situation if you look hard enough. It's a sign that for whatever reason something wasn’t quite working out.
Nearly every great thing in our lives starts out with something not going to plan. You will learn from this, you will grow from this and you will be a better person at the end of it. That in the very least is something to think positively about.
My dad went through a very tough divorce from his first wife, but out of that he met my mum and they have been happily married for 33 years with three wonderful sons the eldest of which is devilishly handsome, knows everything that's worth knowing about football and is a borderline genius. Oh and has a degree in narcissism, first class obviously. Lol.
So good things will come, try and keep your chin up and keep going.

Good luck mate.

06 Jan 2018 15:32:49
Yes mate i have. Few years ago.

The one thing il say is if u are on the 'unhappy' end of the break up, people will say it gets easier and obviously it does but it gets worse before it gets better.

My one piece of advice i can offer is if possible, cut off from. her completely! Block facebook, twitter snap chat - all of them block. Then blok her txts and calls. Looking back It was my first and most implrtant step to get over her. However if there are kids involved (i had none with ex wife) then its much more difficult.

Stay positive and surround yaself with your mates and or family.

06 Jan 2018 17:38:54
Mad Hatter

Sorry to hear that. It will be a difficult time for you and her and feelings will depend on the reason for the split. You say separated, however, that doesn’t always mean finished and divorce. If there is still a chance keep channels open. However, in terms of advice if this reallly is the end my advice would be to try and agree your financial split amicably plus possessions and do it as quickly as possible. Write down the agreement and both sign it. If it later gets nasty it is better to agree it with each other than relying on expensive solicitors to argue the case. That might happen anyway but if you can mutually agree and do it in a friendly manner it can make it less painful than it might be. Don’t put it off, deal with it sooner than later and get a solicitor.

It can be a personally difficult time, try to immerse yourself in work and something to keep you occupied, like United, take exercise, it does you good. Also don’t jump into a new relationship with both feet immediately, it can be a very emotional time.

Good luck.

06 Jan 2018 18:35:49
Cheers for you posts and advice. It’s tough, but I do feel relieved. Thanks Redman for the bit about splitting everything and writing it down and signing it.

06 Jan 2018 20:54:27
Hi Mad,

It's hard to give good advice without knowing you or the situation as many have said (how old you are, job situation, reason for split, length of marriage, kids, the type of person you are, etc) . But from watching several people and being reasonably worldly, I can give you a few tips of what not to do:

1 - Don't try and recapture your youth (and do things the wife stopped you from doing), not yet anyway. Emotions will be running high and you will typically do things to an extreme that in time you will inevitably regret. You say above you are 'relieved', but don't see that as shackles being off yet.

2 - Don't turn to drink or drugs, there is an underclass of society that can pick up on misery and take advantage of it. So rely on existing friends (if they are not connected to your wife) and don't try and add new friends at this time, your decision making may be off and the temptation will be to buy company - no harm in a couple of all dayers at the pub, but don't be the first at the pub and the last to leave - and don't make a habit of it! If you don't have independent friends then try a hobby like Shappy suggests or get into TV series - let them become your friends for a time and distract you from raw emotions.

3 - Keep your dignity, even through gritted teeth (again don't know reasons for split) - in time you will be relieved you didn't say or do anything that comes back to bite you. Try and imagine there is somebody watching your every move and if you make mistakes you will get punished (almost like a God), I'm not religious and if you aren't don't seek out help in that area for the same reasons above. But there may be a temptation to quit work, buy a ticket to Vegas, buy a few escorts, etc - don't not yet anyway. Wait until you get back to some level of normality within yourself.

4 - See it as an opportunity, just part of your life plan, like leaving school, leaving home, etc, a new adventure (but not a crazy adventure yet) .

I'm sure us guys on here will be happy to proffer advice and company if things get tough, as most of us will have gone through a divorce directly or indirectly. But it's vital to keep your wits as Red Man says, self pity is a dangerous thing mate, don't make rash decisions as the majority you will regret in short order. Most importantly look after yourself - don't jeopardise your future by using words like "whatever" when your wife is asking for things that belong to you both - again depending on who initiated the split different levels of preparation will have gone into it - don't be a sucker if it's over it's over, don't be mean but don't be a martyr.

Take care mate.

06 Jan 2018 22:01:26
Thanks Beast that was really helpful. We don’t have any kids. We’ve grown apart but have both been to scared to admit it until recently.
We bought a house in June and the surveyor missed a lot of things that was wrong with the house and shortly after, my wife’s father died. She also has been having a tough time at work and took time off with stress and anxiety. I’m on anti depressants myself. My wife has lost 3 family members in 18 months. Two Nanas and her Father.

Fortunately we have another house we rent so my wife can move into there. We’re both 32 and whilst it’s difficult and upsetting we both realise that we’ve reached the end.
I do feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. The hard part is now living on my own in the country until I can sell the house.

07 Jan 2018 09:29:09
Very good advice beast!

Mad hatter, your situation sounds better than most could hope for tbh.

Hope u get sorted my friend and onwards 'n' upwards eh.

07 Jan 2018 11:42:48
CHeers EZRS, I’m just up and down at the moment. The question is do I move on or do I want to try and work things if it’s possible.

07 Jan 2018 13:34:01
Well mate only you know which to do.

U seemed like u answered that question on your earlier post - you have grown apart and its been happening forna while.

Maybe time for a new venture in life.

07 Jan 2018 16:36:31
Mad Hatter

I would try to be sure that your problems are not down to issues outside the two of you.

07 Jan 2018 16:38:53
Mate, keep yourself occupied. Sitting alone, in a big house in the country only gives you time to sit and think things to death, which I think makes it take longer to get over. I agree with Beast, don't try to recapture your youth, but you can still get out there and socialise, even if it's just a night or two a week, and it doesn't have to involve bars and alcohol. Hopefully you have friends of your own, as opposed to 'joint' friends, that you can rely on to keep you occupied. Good luck, fella.

07 Jan 2018 18:40:52
IM fortunate to have a top mother in law who is concerned about me and my wife and realises my wife needs counselling and we need counselling as a couple. She has had problems which has meant we can’t have sex which doesn’t help. Therefore it’s he’s to feel the love. Thanks guys for being here for me.

08 Jan 2018 18:40:58
MH.
Take all the above on board pal

Take a new hobby on and remember you have an opportunity to shape your own life. Be positive.
Treat each other well.

06 Jan 2018 11:02:05
Classic Mourinho. justifies Conte’s remarks re clownlike behaviour on the touchline because the media misrepresented his quote to Conte. That should have been it. then the jibe about matchfixing chucked quickly onto the end lol.

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06 Jan 2018 13:18:18
I took it as Jose was talking about his own behaviour in the past. The media, as usual, looking for the headline, misrepresented to conte who was only to eager to bite. I think Jose buried him after that.

God the English media are scumbags.

04 Jan 2018 15:36:10
I think we'll have a big clearout this summer. Darmian, Blind, Smalling, CBJ, Fellaini, Carrick, Johnstone, Zlatan and potentially Miki and Shaw.

TFM to cover RB with Valencia
Young to cover LB with a new signing or Shaw
CBs Bailly, Jones, Lindelof and Rojo, with TFM and Tuanzebe able to play there too.
CM - Pogba, Matic, Herrera, McTominay, Pereira + 1 signing
Wide players/ 10s - Mata, Lingard, Martial, Rashford + 2 signings
Striker - Lukaku, Rashford and Martial

That's 24 players before the keepers De Gea, Romero and Periera.

Thoughts?

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04 Jan 2018 16:05:19
I think there will be a bit of a change come the summer. I think you can include Pereira in the wideplayer/ no.10 category as that's where he plays predominantly.

The players you marked I believe will go and we will see us being strengthened in the full back areas, CM and at least 1 more wide player and another creative outlet.

04 Jan 2018 20:05:07
I think you are right about the outs apart from Smalling who has been good this season and should stay.

04 Jan 2018 23:14:37
I would get rid of Smalling ASAP. Apart from his injury record (I accept jones is worse) he is a bit of an octopus, always grabbing in the box. With video replays being trialed this weekend and potentially permanently introduced get rid of Smalling before he gives away several penalties every game.

What I wouldn’t give for a Jaap Stam type defender who used his body to dominate opponents. I particularly remember him body bumping pipo inzaghi when playing AC Milan. Just a beast of a defender who was moved on too soon.

05 Jan 2018 17:46:10
I am hopeful Shaw will stay, he has done well lately. He has the ability for sure, most of it is mental. Whether Mourinho is helping him or not I don't know. Smalling will likely stay, though I wish he would be sold. I would rather see more and more minutes given to Lindelof and Tuanzebe. I agree with you on all the rest. We do need a world class CM and attacker to come in by the summer.

05 Jan 2018 22:12:01
I wouldn't be surprised if Mata and/ or Herrera departs. It may well depend on who comes in, but neither of them have consistently lit up the stage this year and don't seem to be first choices. Something tells me Shaw will stay. Ashley Young will be 33 before the beginning of next season so, despite having played quite well, the club should be looking to the future. Valencia is of exactly the same vintage. Again it may well depend on who's available to replace them, and what offers come in from other clubs.

{Ed004's Note - Ideally we get competition for Shaw such as Tierney or Sessegnon, Fosu comes back and competes with Valencia and then Young covers both fullback positions. That's what I would target}

06 Jan 2018 09:42:15
Tfm and valencia as right backs would leave us with 2 poor options tfm is not a right back and never will ne valencia is at best decent cover.

06 Jan 2018 13:18:59
Would love Tierney ed004. He's a much better LB than Shaw too.

 


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