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02 Dec 2018 18:33:09
Now we'll wait and see how biased the FA are and whether they have an agenda against 'someone', no doubt there will be an excuse for running onto the pitch, passion? 🤡.

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02 Dec 2018 18:52:54
Sour grapes?! 🍇.

02 Dec 2018 19:14:44
What abt throwing drinks? Haha thought u guys have bigger problems to deal w/ but seems your more focused on us despite being so far down the bins 😜😜.

02 Dec 2018 19:48:11
No, i just find it funny how quickly you/ your fanbase are to jump on Jose when he does something, but when Klopp does it, it's excusable. Bit like midweek, how you don't mentioned Lovren's clear dive in the PSG game or Mane going down before ADM's contact, but were all up in arms about Neymar. Hypocritical much?

02 Dec 2018 20:59:28
Mate no one is jumping on the grumpy one, forget our fan base in fact most If not all are happy he's doing an exceptional job at utd, hope u guys give him another 5 year contract w/ another 400-500M to spend 😁😁.

02 Dec 2018 22:32:27
Yeah I’ve never called for Jose to be banned, I’m happy with him staying as close to that united team as he wants!

03 Dec 2018 00:49:56
What's the point giving that to Jose, give it to Klopp and maybe he'll finally win you a trophy? He's spent about 400m already without silverware, another 400 will do the job i reckon mate😁.

03 Dec 2018 04:14:19
Exactly Scholes forget owners I'm sure fans have no problem giving klopp another 10 year contract.

Last I heard big Sam is available 😂😂.

02 Dec 2018 17:29:46
Will Mourinho be here in January if this poor run continues?

The players attitudes clearly show that they aren't playing for him.

Pogba thinks he is god's gift. He needs to be sold. He is a bad influence, along with Sanchez they have undermined Mourinho.

Mourinho is not blameless, but will the board back him or the players.

Will Mourinho be allowed to assert his control over the squad?

This season will more than likely see us not qualify for the CL and maybe not even Europa.

Perhaps we should cut the deadwood and focus on a rebuild for next season.

The season will be long, drawn out one.

Will player power prevail?
Will Mourinho be backed or sacked?

I think we may find out sooner, rather than later.

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03 Dec 2018 10:45:11
The risk of Mourinho staying a f being backed (again) is if spend the money on a 6 something foot player skilless and then let him go in May. We need an urgent and definite plan in place before giving him another 100M- to spend on players that won't make us any better as the one he bought.

02 Dec 2018 08:07:09
I went to that game against Southampton yesterday (had to sit in the home crowd) and it is by far one of the worst performances I have ever seen, I was sat next to a Saints season ticket holder of 40 years and she even said it is the worst United team she has ever seen.

Lukaku is splitting defenders up top waiting for a forward pass yet we continue to play it sideways or back to De Gea

Every player looks like they are playing with Reigns on and that can only come from one person MOURINHO

Smalling was on the team bus and what Eric Bailiy has to do to get a game is beyond me, time to bring Axel back from Villa if we need CB's.

Lingard and Martial came on too late into the game to make a difference

The whole thing stinks, Mourinho is just waiting to be sacked and you can sense that throughout the whole team, they are waiting for a change.

I watched us loose 1-0 to West Brom under Louis Van Gaal (Chris Brunt free kick) and I was more entertained than that rubbish we are being put through each week.

Few positives though Rashford, Herrera and De Gea head and shoulders above anyone else

BEST AWAY SUPPORT IN THE COUNTRY

I am now firmly in the Mourinho out camp after witnessing that with my own eyes.

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02 Dec 2018 16:03:56
Whoever are the two people who don't like his post, come and explain.

02 Dec 2018 08:02:56
I went to that game against Southampton yesterday (had to sit in the home crowd) and it is by far one of the worst performances I have ever seen, I was sat next to a Saints season ticket holder of 40 years and she even said it is the worst United team she has ever seen.

Lukaku is splitting defenders up top waiting for a forward pass yet we continue to play it sideways or back to De Gea

Every player looks like they are playing with Reigns on and that can only come from one person MOURINHO

Smalling was on the team bus and what Eric Bailiy has to do to get a game is beyond me, time to bring Axel back from Villa if we need CB's.

Lingard and Martial came on too late into the game to make a difference

The whole thing stinks, Mourinho is just waiting to be sacked and you can sense that throughout the whole team, they are waiting for a change.

I watched us loose 1-0 to West Brom under Louis Van Gaal (Chris Brunt free kick) and I was more entertained than that rubbish we are being put through each week.

Few positives though Rashford, Herrera and De Gea head and shoulders above anyone else

BEST AWAY SUPPORT IN THE COUNTRY

I am now firmly in the Mourinho out camp after witnessing that with my own eyes.

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02 Dec 2018 00:29:22
Liverpool fan here.
I switched on to the United game with about 15 to play, to see if Southampton could hold on. When I did, I saw Southampton passing the ball around the midfield with probably 8 united players behind the ball! What is going on? I know Jose divides opinion but Jesus, Southampton have been awful this season. I kind of get Fellaini as a last resort (dislike the way he’s normally the first change), but him Matic and Herrera?! It’s like you were playing Barcelona and had a 1-0 lead.
Great to watch for me. just how long can this continue?

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02 Dec 2018 08:26:08
That's the big question isn't it Firmane, they can't keep going like this, it's a matter of time before Jose is gone, I can't see him being their manager in the new year. I hope he is mind ;) the fella is really growing on me :) .

02 Dec 2018 08:47:31
He’ll be there until summer then he’s off for sure. Going through the motions this season which is a terrible thing to say about our great club. Heads should roll for this level of ineptitude.

01 Dec 2018 21:46:34
Quot from SlySports.

United have now gone two down to Brighton, West Ham, Newcastle, Manchester City and Southampton this season. Five times already. The most since David Moyes. And it took him until March.

Is the manager good enough? Are the players? Both? With how much negativity there was toward Moyes, I'm not sure why Jose gets a free pass from some fans.

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01 Dec 2018 21:24:10
Today was abysmal. When you think things cannot get worse we are served that rubbish. It all started with team selection. What on earth was going through the manager’s head? That selection was an utter disgrace. It’s as if Jose values ‘proving a point’ to the owners about having no defenders over actually winning a football match. What did we really expect when we had that team on display?

I’m honestly done. I’m not sure how much of this rubbish I can take. Any other ‘top’ football club would have made a change now and would have looked at ways to stop the rot. Here we are sitting mid table with a manager whose cares only for his ego, a group of overpaid pre Madonnas that don’t care or understand what it means to okay for this club, and a CEO and owners alike who only care about their next noodle sponsor over next their next league title. Our season is over and we haven’t even hit the Xmas period yet! I shudder to think where we will be come January 1st.

We look like relegation fodder. No passion, no fire, no desire, no enjoyment and not attacking cohesion or threat. We were built on these traditions. What we are seeing is something which should never be accepted at Manchester United. Jose is not the only issue. Far from it. But what happens on the pitch style and substance wise is down to him and him alone. It’s his job to inspire and improve these players. They should want to run through brick walls and die for him. They have to believe in what he is trying to achieve. And they clearly don’t. Can you blame them? Who would want to play as a cb in this team when you are consistently hearing in the press that your manager doesn’t have any quality cbs or mctominay gets picked instead of you?

I want to debunk the their that Jose has not be ‘backed’. Yes compared to city, he has not been backed as fully. But who has? No other team apart from PSG are willing to just spend whatever obscene amounts needed to purchase whoever they want. Please bear with me while I run through jose’s Signings.

Pogba - a top midfielder in Serie A. All the potential in the world to be the best. Still naive in some respects but a talent that most if not all top teams would cherish in their team. A player to build a title winning side around.

Lukaku - premier league proven and just come of 25 goals for Everton. Talented striker who when given the correct service will put the ball on the back of the net.

Bailly - one of the best up and coming cbs I’m La Liga. He had the best one on one record from any cb in La Liga in the 2015-16 season. Very talented and lots of potential.

Lindelof - one of the best cbs in Portugal and ball playing attributes and reading of the game to compliment bailly’s combative qualities.

Mkhitaryan - amassed 18 goals and 24 assists in 53 games at Dortmund. Has since struggled even at arsenal but he’s performed better there than here. Not a poor player by any means.

Sanchez - world class and one of the best wingers in the league. Had just come off one of his best seasons scoring 30+ goals. A player city were desperate for and if they had got him they would be even better. A scary thought.

The idea that he has not been backed or that he only has been allowed to purchase inadequate players is completely false. Rather, Jose has purchased very good players or players with the potential to be world class. Despite this, they have all regressed under the management and coaching of Mournho. Martial and rashford are examples of two players who have suffered similar fates. To add to this, Jose has just signed fred for £50m yet still plays fellaini and matic over him.

He has not been able to improve any of his signings like say Guardiola, Klopp, Poch. Even emery, howe, sarri and even gracia have improved their players. Pellegrini is starting to get a tune of his forward players such as Anderson. 2 and a half seasons after signing for united, Jose finds himself in 7th place, already eliminated from the EFL cup by championship derby whose rookie manager, Lampard, has only had a few months to work with his players.

The question is, is this squad so poor it cannot best a championship side? Is the quality that bad? Not it is their direction, tactics and coaching. This comes from the manager.

Again this notion put forward that Jose has been backed inadequately is totally and utterly false. On the contrary, Woodward (for all his faults and he is a big problem too) has signed 2 world class players at the time for Jose (pogba, Sanchez) and a host of extremely good ones. This is in addition to having the best keeper in the world and two of the best young talents in martial and rashford.

So in the grand scheme of things, is it the players? No, it’s the manager. Sure the players can give more, but when so many talented players are all looking so poor then the common denominator is obviously the manager. The buck stops with him I’m afraid.

Just to add, I have always been a Jose supporter and I don’t doubt his credentials or CV. But football has moved on. In him haste to get of LVG I was desperate for Jose to sign. This perhaps clouded my judgement to look objectively at Jose. In hindsight, it was obvious how he was going to act. He was never going to change the way that has made him successful all these years. So I am happy to admit on this occasion I am wrong. He was never a right fit. And he must be shown the exit swiftly before we descend into even more chaos which will set us back even further.

{Ed025's Note - very good article that park and hard to disagree with any of that mate...sadly..

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01 Dec 2018 21:49:05
Thanks ed. I always appreciate your input as it’s often balanced and unbiased. I try not to post when I’m emotional and not thinking straight. My job needs me to to make decisions without being clouded by emotion. Unfortunately when it comes to my united this all goes out the window! What I’m seeing is not my united. And that really really hurts at the moment.

{Ed025's Note - football is emotive park and thats what makes it special mate..

01 Dec 2018 22:11:23
Excellent post park and it pains me but the can't disagree with any of it.

Eds - needs to be on the banter page.

{Ed025's Note - i dont make the rules mate..

01 Dec 2018 22:39:12
Eds any chance it can be on the banter page? Would love to gauge where everyone is out.

{Ed025's Note - most of todays posts have gone on "other posts" park so i believe you will get your wish mate..

01 Dec 2018 22:37:37
Apologies 025, did mean it to come across like that.

Its just a very accurate OP.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate

01 Dec 2018 22:45:29
Nice one cheers ed.

{Ed025's Note - your welcome mate..

02 Dec 2018 10:57:50
Great post Park, wish I'd written it.

03 Dec 2018 04:29:18
Ed has now brought in 3 failing managers. What makes you think he will get number 4 right?

One thing that stood out in fergy reign was that the manager's word was final. Didn't matter who he fell out with (Keane, Becks etc) everyone knew he was the boss and that the club would back him.

What do you think about current situation?

Something needs to change at the top, DoF or change to Woody, then they either back the manager or bring in new and back them. Player power NEVER works. Real Madrid have made a shining example of this - their worst seasons are always under player revolt.

01 Dec 2018 21:05:17
He just needs to go, I really don't think any manager could get less from this squad (not all his fault but his chances of turning it are zero)

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01 Dec 2018 20:51:23
Mourinho has to go as soon as possible. His approach to every single facet of management is the antithesis of Ferguson's reign.

I'm sick of negative press conferences, unnecessary gestures and the hounding of our youngest talent.

He is tactically out of date compared to our direct competitors managers and needs to realise that his method cannot succeed in a division with more than two top teams.

Howe would be my choice with an established, preferably ex United DOF.

Build your team around Rashford, Lingard, Pogba, Martial, DDG and Shaw. Revert back to the old recruitment policy of buying world class talent and promising youngsters.

Remember when we had Yorke, Cole, Sherigham and Solskjaer? Lukaku is nowhere near any of them. First big signing has to be a top class striker.

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02 Dec 2018 01:00:14
I don't think the blame can be totally laid at Jose's door. Do you honestly think he is happy with the way the team performs? Do you think he sends them out to pass sideways backwards and sideways? Do you think he tells them to play as slow as possible? I do not. I really do think the players need to take a long hard look at themselves and play to their potential. In order to do so they have to press the opposition with more desire and cut out the careless way they give possession away so often. The manager is definitely not responsible for these things. I may disagree with who he puts out on the pitch but any Utd team should be able to do the basics properly and play with urgency and passion.

{Ed025's Note - but can you tell me hendon why they cant or wont do the basic,s properly?, these are top players and internationals mate..

02 Dec 2018 17:53:11
Hendon, the manager is very definitely responsible for ethos and atmosphere surrounding players. His choices, attitudes and interviews wind up enough of us on here. Just imagine having to work in close proximity to that everyday. If my boss had been like Jose I would having been looking to move on, feeling undervalued and certainly would have found it hard to give 100%.

01 Dec 2018 20:46:48
Can't wait to see United in the MLS final - Atlanta United, that is.

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