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19 Aug 2018 20:05:26

Evening guys,



Why have I got a terrible feeling of deja vu? Maybe It's because we've been here before. This is the same team as last year. The same team that lost away games at Brighton, Huddersfield and Newcastle. The same team that lost a League Cup Semi final to Bristol City. The same team that surrendered so disappointedly to Sevilla. The same old team with the same old problems playing exactly the same way. Inconsistent, passive, rubbish.



We are a team devoid of intensity. We sit deep behind the ball, concede possession, let the other team take the initiative and grow in confidence. We allow them into the game, allow them to play balls in behind and put crosses into the box. When in possession we play slow indecisive sideways and backwards passes, everything is done slowly, lethargically. We invite pressure, we encourage tackles, we get the home crowd cheering, we don't lose games we beat ourselves.



The same problems persist. We have not evolved, improved or learned from our mistakes. Today we showed no desire or hunger. Simply out fought and brushed aside by a vastly inferior team who won simply because they wanted it more.



We need a radical re think. Forget about wining titles or cups, let's try putting some pressure on the ball, showing some hunger, desire and playing some good football. We're all knowledgeable, educated supporters, we all know we're a million miles behind City, instead of trying to hang onto their coat tails playing this passive, defensive nonsense let's just focus on playing some decent football so at least we have something to look forward to at the weekend otherwise what are we trying to achieve?

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19 Aug 2018 20:20:51

Lets get a manager who encourages the players and has some passion. Dressing room is obviously flat and players have their heads down. New manager and a noise Old Trafford would swiftly turn our fortunes around.

19 Aug 2018 20:25:39

Very good post DLIB, couldn't have put it better myself.

19 Aug 2018 20:47:32

There seems to be a blame game, is it the managers fault, is it the recruitment or is it the players having a lack of desire or even ability . None of the above have covered themselves in too much glory at the minute .

We have what we have player wise as the buying window is shut so maybe let's look at what we can improve, system and style of play . We are flawed playing 433 the CBS struggle and we have very little width, the same issues surface too many times to keep doing it with the players we have . Time for Jose to try something else with the way we approach games .

19 Aug 2018 21:12:04

I saw someone describe it as analogue football in a digital age.

{Ed025's Note - i like that bilko..

19 Aug 2018 21:17:28

Slate we had the second best defensive record in the league last season .

Our 2 cbs today were awful you could of got a bus between them .

Bulled by there c. f.

No solid base you can't attack even ddg couldn't pull them out the bs.

19 Aug 2018 21:56:07

Fair point jred about the defense it wasn't like it was Messi exposing the defense it was an ageing slow Brighton striker .

I think people have made their mind up about Jones and smalling rightly or wrongly. We are all desperate for new players to do well and sometimes our hopes cloud what we actually see. I can't explain why Bailly and lindelehoff were so bad but today does offer an explination why smalling was picked above them last season if anything similar happens in training .

Ideally I'd like us to change to a team that presses high and controls the ball but it's maybe not the managers preferred way, if we are to drop off I'd change from 433

I like martial but I can't defend him today he did very little but I hope he's not a scapegoat as loads of players were pants, mata as the right hand option just duznt work for me .

19 Aug 2018 22:43:04

Slate

Really good post pal I agree.

19 Aug 2018 22:27:10

Jamal you can give me the excuses so

Can you tell me how we played?

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19 Aug 2018 22:31:58

I didn't give you any excuses! I didn't see the game just like you! You've implied that wolves are better than us based on 2 games you didn't see lol.

19 Aug 2018 20:41:33

Really good football player scholes, knows the game inside and out will some from please tell me what it is that he said that so upset them .



A lot of excuses made why e can't win the league, money the board etc but come on why can't we beat them?



Ps. Smalling us our best cb.

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19 Aug 2018 20:48:28

Jones though! gets slated far too much. He knows how to defend, bailly and lindelof were abysmal today. Bailly a one off maybe but lindelof I'm still far from convinced.

19 Aug 2018 21:14:38

Bailly is very rash, has all the attributes to be a very good player still very young will I'm sure turn out to be a good player .

Lindelof just doesn't look a epl defender, has talent but maybe not the heart again only young could kick on but has a lot to improve. Smalling is our best cb, wins tackles wins headers big strong lad, needs a decent lad next to him .



Jones could be better than the lot but can't stay fit .

19 Aug 2018 21:27:34

The same jones and Smalling that do exactly the same horrendous defending when they play> Let face facts no matter which combination of our defensive squad we play they are all sub standard.

19 Aug 2018 21:57:14

Neville said it himself, the defenders at United are not of the required quality.

19 Aug 2018 22:00:11

Second best defense in the pep last season .

Jamie I have never seen a single positive post from you .

19 Aug 2018 22:12:04

We had a cracking defensive record with LvG too, it’s a false statistic generated from the style of play as opposed to the quality of the defence. A better defence may allow for more open, attacking play where we can actually trust our back 4 to deal with a counter if we lose the ball - in turn increasing our concurrent abysmal scoring record.

19 Aug 2018 22:19:15
I’m still not sure if the fact that Smalling and Jones are still our best combination is a complement or an insult.

19 Aug 2018 22:35:59
Jred I agree with your posts the last few days but do we have top defenders.
Smalling, no jred
I said it all summer the defence isn't near good enough.

19 Aug 2018 22:45:36
It's Brighton do we need maldini to look after Murray.

Dear me who much do we need to spend to look after Brighton?

20 Aug 2018 03:16:41
Today I thought we looked short of a good preseason with jaded players not yet comfortable with their touch and intricate play out from the back. Brighton’s intensity and high press as a unit put the pressure on, and our players weren’t sharp enough to cope. When everyone’s up to speed, I fully expect us to be able to contain a forward line such as Brighton’s without the need for too much cover defensively. However, it’s the second game after a World Cup summer and these anomalies do happen - not that I’m excusing the abject lack of desire from half the players.

19 Aug 2018 21:24:08

First off I didn't see the game, just clips of it and it looked bad, slow, I only saw the highlights of the wolves game yesterday but they had a right go very unlucky not to win that game, now my point is if you showed these two teams to someone that didn't know who they were and asked which team came up from the first division they would say man United all day long. You can make all the excuses you want but there's something badly wrong at United

I was at an all Ireland hurling final today and watched one of the best games I've seen in a while, there was a team limerick who consisnt of boys that came up from the under 21s

They were 21 22 23 age the most of them, they went up against the champions Galway big strong physical side with experience, the played as a team they had speed, power and the biggest thing I saw was the passion and the togetherness they showed and they won

Now all these boys don't get a penny they all have jobs to go to next week. Their manager a very passionate man,

For those of you that don't know anything about hurling, just you tube it limerick v Galway all Ireland and watch the highlights

All this passion and togetherness comes from the manager so for me the sooner Jose goes from United the better.

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19 Aug 2018 21:38:20

So you seen highlights of 1 game and didn't see the other yet you make that statement! Good job!

19 Aug 2018 22:17:18
Yeah seems a bit strange to comment on games you didn’t see.

19 Aug 2018 22:34:02
I've seen the highlights read the reports
Can you tell me how we played you might know a bit better.

20 Aug 2018 05:19:28
As poorly as you summarised 🤣.

20 Aug 2018 09:15:31
Brainless defending, who knew Jose was right playing Jones and smalling
You should get an award for that summary.

19 Aug 2018 20:41:23

Only two games in lads, I wouldn't worry just yet. It can happen to any team and unfortunately for you lads it was your turn today, it could be Liverpools turn tomorrow for all we know. It happens, I still expect your lot to be up there but I do think the best direction for your club would be to get Mourinho out. Was going to type more but at work and don't have time. Hope all is well.

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19 Aug 2018 22:16:09
This is what Jose has turned out club into, pity and shows of support from the Scousers.

Clearly shows they no we aren't in competition against them.

19 Aug 2018 21:36:13

Was at AMex today and it’s almost to describe how poor United, in particular Mata and Martial, were.



Everyone, maybe bar Perreira, sauntered around for the first 15 minutes, barely out of second gear, assuming all they had to do was turn up. Passes were misplaced, balls half-heartedly competed for, no urgency whatsoever. The goal for Brighton was always coming. Martial was absolutely abysmal. A few sour faced Royce’s, half hearted crosses and no effort: I hope plays for United again. No effort, nothing g - yet he continues to draw a huge salary. He should pay it all back.



Mata barely touched the ball, no communication at the back, Li delight looked a bag of nerves and Young was pretty awful too. Fred and Perriera did OK, as did Pogba, who wasted too ma y balls with speculative flicks and unnecessary shots. Lukaku was awful too.



The only positives for me were Shaw and Bailly but a goal was never goi g to come out of open play, earpiece only and while we dominated possession in the second half, we never created anything. Lingard added some energy when he cane on but still nothing was created.



We just don’t look like a team who want to win, or who are capable of it.



I wish I knew whT the answer was.

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19 Aug 2018 22:04:23
Bailly was a positive? How much beer did you drink, he was all over the place.

19 Aug 2018 22:07:14
In fairness if Bailly and Shaw were positives for you then we’ve really had it . Both of them were terrible today.

19 Aug 2018 22:28:49
Bailly’s tackle for the penalty was one of the most rash decisions I’ve ever seen. Brainless defending. Who knew Jose was right playing Smalling and Jones.

19 Aug 2018 22:42:00
Bailly? He looked like he was playing in high heels!

I'm surprised he didn't get arrested for crimes against football.

20 Aug 2018 08:07:29
Was at the game, so saw whole match and, despite his stupid mistakes, Bailly was continually mopping up at the back and did his job - he just needs to concentrate for 90 minutes.

Lindelof was awful, even when there was no one near him, he looked panic struck and tried to pass safely back to DDG Bailly.

Martial is the player who I felt most angry with. No passion, desire or effort. Nothing.

19 Aug 2018 20:27:50
Have we got the quality to challenge City? Possibly, but probably not in all truth.

However, we should have more than enough quality to see off Brighton who are limited to be relegated this season.

Pogba may not be fulfilling his potential, but even at 50% he should still have too much class for this Brighton side.

We have spent nearly 500m in the last two years. More than Brighton have spent in their entire existence.

More investment will not solve this problem, our players look devoid of ideas, lacking in drive and completely without passion or joy of playing football.

Everyone starts playing football because they love it, well none of our players look in love with the game at the moment.

What's telling is they did play with passion no more than 3-4 weeks ago when playing at the world cup. They have also played with passion at their previous clubs, so much so they convinced our club to shell out huge sums to bring them here.

Jose may have lost the dressing room, either that or he has completely forgotten or has decided he can't be bothered to coach and improve players, to motivate and inspire them.

As not a single player looks like they can be bothered to play for him.

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19 Aug 2018 20:53:10
Can't keep going on about cash .

The best bit of business city have done is sign the fraud pep.

Jose won't change and won't beat pep not good enough, when he leaves I hope we go for a young hungry manager poch howe.

19 Aug 2018 20:55:51
Shappy you're not playing for Jose. Your playing for Man United.

Sick of it from these players.

19 Aug 2018 21:24:18
Angel
Sorry pal but they are playing for Jose, it's just a job that's the way it works.
You think Kdb is suing for the city badge or pep?

19 Aug 2018 21:45:02
No need to be sorry jred. That's what you think, I don't agree. They play for the club, the manager is a coach, nothing more nothing less. The club, whether you agree or not is far greater IMO.

I, am lucky, I have a good job where I work for a very good company. I don't like my boss, in fact I think she isn't really up to it at all but I work hard for what my company stands for and has stood for. I do my utmost because I believe in it and most importantly because I have a family to raise. But I've seen a few bosses come and go now and I continue to work for me and my team regardless of our manager.

I don't believe 'any' footballer is of the same opinion as you. I could be wrong though?

19 Aug 2018 22:04:11
Angel
Your job can't be compared to a football player .
But make no mistake you will work better for a better boss, I'm sure for an amazing bods you would be a better employe and perform better .

That is magnitude when it comes to sports,

19 Aug 2018 22:06:57
Angel

Interesting point. I think what we are lacking is a player or layers who instil the pride in the badge. Imagine Keane at half time, or Schmeichs, or Bruce, or Ince, or Hughes, the list goes on. Who are the leaders that have embraced our history and understand what it means to play for United? I don’t see them right now.

19 Aug 2018 22:11:35
Angel, I think your spot on there. It doesn't look like the players are playing for Jose at all. Not even a tiny bit.

Players play for managers, the manager picks the team, the manager picks the tactics, the manager trains the players, the manager motivates the players, instills passion, drive and determination, energy, focus and intelligence.

In short it is the managers job to get the best out of what he has. And after spending the second highest amount of any manager over a two year period in the history of the game Jose has no right to complain that he hasn't got the players needed to get a result against a team that has spent 500m in over 100 years since they were formed.

Jred, I don't think money or the lack of money is the problem. We have a manager unable to get the best out of 85-90% of our squad. Underachievement plain and simple.

19 Aug 2018 22:49:16
Exactly shaps people make a silly excuses we can't beat city because they spend more cash lol there a million other reasons .
Tell me all the excuses why we can't beat Brighton never mind city .
Is it because the board doesn't back Jose.
Because we have only spent 500 mill
?
It's bs.

19 Aug 2018 18:42:50
Well i'll say it I want Mourinho out. If i'm labelled toxic so be it.

Those players in that line up should be doing better, we lack desire are slow in the build up with players playing at testimonial speed and for a Jose Mourinho side are defensively vulnerable.

The players lack of fight, desire stems from the manager he may have it but the players won't do it for him so for that reason he's got to go.

But for who i have no clue. I'd like Pochettino as his team plays a little like what we used to, I know he's won nothing but at least we'd enjoy watching United again. I also know it would be very difficult for us to get him and if not him the who?

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19 Aug 2018 19:20:06
So how are the players choices on the pitch and their individual errors amount to Jose out?
Jose’s can make the decisions for them nor can he play the game for them. The players have let United and the fans down today.
I feel sorry for Jose, ok his style isn’t great but we all knew this when he came but you’ve got players making ridiculous errors and not trying a leg on the pitch and then you’ve the media asking him to basically single out players when they’ll no doubt use it against him if he does.
Tbh I would have named and shamed all eleven of them today.

19 Aug 2018 20:41:46
WRD good post.

This has been going on for years. Lethargic, no hunger.

Jose, or any manager aside. The players out there do not know who the f*** they're playing for. It's Man united! Busby Babes, Charlton, law, best to Bryan Robson, Roy Keane, Eric cantona, the great sir alex. When the crest on that jersey actually meant something. To want it, to need it, not mud on the jersey, blood on the jersey.

To shed tears when you lost and carry that pain with you into the next game where you'd swear it wouldn't happen again.

Forget moyes, LVG and Jose. This is Man United, the greatest club on this planet. And the players on that pitch should be grateful.

I'm sick of seeing players throwing an arm in the air, or looking at the ground when things go wrong. I want to see them eating the b**** out of the next guy. They are all too worried about not upsetting each other and being Instagram friends.

I'm sick to death of this lethargic approach on the pitch since Sir Alex left. This is not the United Way.

19 Aug 2018 20:54:36
Angel once they have the right manager they will .
That's footy, Jose needs to run his course.

19 Aug 2018 21:00:16
And how long does that excuse go on for jred?

The next manager will come and it'll be 'Not right fit etc., players don't want to play for him'.

The players DO NOT play for Jose or any manager. They play for Man United, for you, for me, for every one of those 75000 in that stadium week in week out.

Time they started acting like it.

19 Aug 2018 21:25:17
No they don't they play for the manager ask any football player.

19 Aug 2018 21:45:40
I don't need to ask 'any' footballer jred. You must know them all? :)

19 Aug 2018 22:05:20
Of course not that's just childish, but you play for a manager it's just a job.

19 Aug 2018 18:32:38
How many people scoffed at me last week when I said we'll finish 6th this season? I don't see any reason to change my opinion. This team is woeful, devoid of ideas with a clueless manager with an ancient idology.

Most of the players are a disgrace too. Get shot of Jose, give the job to someone like Eddie Howe who's hungry, young and interested in playing football. I'd even take Brendan Rodgers over this.

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19 Aug 2018 17:56:28
After watching those two games today I was going to say we're so far off City it's scary, but actually we're so far off Brighton it's scary .
They look a well drilled, hard working, cohesive unit with a good team spirit . We look like the players met for the first time just before the match .
You'd wonder what exactly Jose works on in training because there's no patten to our play whatsoever.

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19 Aug 2018 17:59:09
I still think we'll stay up.

 


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