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11 Mar 2024 20:10:15
Going to be very tough and fast paced game Sunday, if Liverpool bring the same tempo as the City game. Please God ETH doesn't bring Maguire back, but we need legs in midfield and hard work. Liverpool will press high and aggressively. Old Trafford won't allow the same tactics as our game at City. Hojlund should be back which is huge for us, but our midfield and defence have to be strong and aggressive.

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11 Mar 2024 20:46:24
It’s a game that should see the crowd up, if ETH has a clue, we won’t be passing it around the back slowly. We need to put it over their press and get after them. Get the crowd going, make it intense. OT is generally quiet, but when it does get going it can be a bear pit. The game Suarez didn’t shake Evra’s hand at OT, was as volatile as anything. Cup tie, get after them, don’t mess about with Onana at the back or we will get tonked.

12 Mar 2024 13:58:06
It won't be played at the same pace as the city match.
We don't play at their pace so it will be slower inevitably.
We have a very good chance.
Liverpool were without 4 of their preferred back 5 against city.
It will be interesting to see who eth picks as it's a possibility that the only real 1st choice players missing will be Shaw and martinez.
Win is a must we don't want the season to be over effectively with 10 games to go. I can't remember when the last time that happened was.

13 Mar 2024 00:58:42
Agree with that word for word Red Man. Be noisy, be direct, be brave. Haven't been to Old Trafford for a couple years now but when it is noisy it is truly special. Happily I'm moving to Manchester in the summer so hopefully I'll be able to make it to more games.

11 Mar 2024 10:59:16
Good thread below but there are a few misconceptions I think on some people points of view.
Wazza nobody thinks we should be competing to win the league I've never seen anyone suggest that so I think that's a bit of hyperbole on your behalf. Who has said we should be competing to win the league this season and when did they say that?
Some peoples point of view is that this season has been very disappointing. I think everybody agrees that there are mitigating circumstances.
However it's my belief that no matter who plays for eth and no matter what structure is above him he is not the man to carry us forward I don't believe he has shown enough to warrant that chance.
It's simply a case of I don't believe in him no matter who is above or playing for him.
I don't think he is Solely to blame but also I don't think he has the leadership skills to bring us to the next level.
I don't blame him alone I think he has done some things well but not enough to be in charge of a full rebuild.
It's not a case of firing him because of the job he has done it's a case of me wanting him replaced because I don't believe in him enough to be tasked with rebuilding under a new management structure.
It's my opinion and belief.
The new coach will still have to clear out and rebuild I've no confidence that eth is the man to do that. None at all.
But if there is stuff I, or we, are not seeing going on behind the scenes and sjr and team see that and have the confidence i'm happy to accept and support that decision. I don't see it from where I'm sitting maybe they will.
Maybe they won't.
If they don't are they stupid and toxic for not believing eth is the man?
Let's see what they think. I'll support their decision either way when they make it but until then I'm firmly in the out camp because I've seen nothing that gives me confidence that eth with move us closer to city and arsenal over three next 2 or 3 years. I don't think he will get there no matter what the circumstance.
If you think he can do it under a new structure then great let's see what sjr and team think.
A new structure will be there. Players will be moved on either way. I'd rather someone else with a different style takes the reins.
If sjr and team think likewise I'd be interested in whether you would support that or will you be calling them toxic and self entitled.

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11 Mar 2024 11:25:27
You don't want ETH. You've made that abundantly clear over many posts. Who's going to open a book on how long before you repeat this monologue?

11 Mar 2024 13:19:41
Have you mentioned rashford or the players lately? I think just a often.

11 Mar 2024 14:23:38
Fizz, I checked, and no bookies are willing to take bets at those odds.

11 Mar 2024 15:04:48
Wazza 😂😂😂.

11 Mar 2024 15:27:29
Why not answer the question wazza?

11 Mar 2024 18:57:38
Ken, what you have said above is exactly what Arsenal 'fans' were saying about Arteta a while back, perhaps some of them were even more strident than that.

As you say you have no idea what is happening behind closed doors, what all players think or feel, I guarantee that some will not want ETH but I also guarantee that every club in the country will have some players who do not want their present manager, so what do you do? get rid of every manager?

I do not think anyone can make a valued judgement on a situation, which by their own admission, they do not know all the facts about. Indeed we know a forensic audit is being carried out on all aspects of the footballing side of the business, perhaps the best course of action is to wait for the outcome of that before passing judgement.

Maybe ETH will prove to be the right manager for us, maybe not, I don't know the answer to that question, but I do think he deserves a bit more time, based on what he achieved last season.

11 Mar 2024 19:37:03
Weed, I wonder if it’s because folk can’t be bothered because your agenda becomes more clear with each of your posts? Maybe?

11 Mar 2024 10:57:38
What do we all think of the hojlund interview for the united stand YouTube channel. According to media this morning it has annoyed some teammates who have had a word to him about it. Personally I don't see what the problem is, too many snowflakes at our club who gladly accept praise but want all criticism shut down. They don't think he should have done the interview as the channel as portrayed them in a negative manner. I don't watch the united stand anymore as I'm mainly off social media however I don't think they are as negative as portrayed and a lot of what they highlight I agree with. Also I quite like the fact he sat down with them, beats the usual pre planned, pre rehearsed social media posts the players put out after every loss. What do others think then?

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11 Mar 2024 11:25:19
I couldn't care less Tim who he is interviewed by as long as its cleared by the club.
Just another load of nonsense that will be fish and chip pair tomorrow imo.

11 Mar 2024 11:26:19
Haven't seen it and am unaware of what has been said so can't comment.

11 Mar 2024 15:42:23
Don’t think he said anything bad just gave an overview of how he’s finding things. The issue seems to be the channel that he was on and the fact that it has a negative view on the players and their performances. It was cleared by the club Ken as it was done at carrington. I only brought it up as it highlights the general weak mentality and sensitivity of our current playing squad. Praise is good, criticism isn’t allowed…. just see rashford from last week as proof of that!

11 Mar 2024 18:22:04
If the club cleared it sounds like a non story.
If some players want to boycott fair play to them but unless they decided as a squad to boycott then he did no wrong.

10 Mar 2024 23:26:22
Hey ed002,

Hope all is well and you are having or had a great weekend. I know you mentioned before of uniteds interest in Amorim, just saw on the liverpool page when talking about Alonso that liverpool face stiff competition for Amorim. Just wondering is uniteds interest very strong in him? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I have no way of quantifying "very strong" - Manchester United have an interest in a number of coaches and will certainly have a preferred option Dave.}

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10 Mar 2024 22:31:46
Just to mention something a little more positive - and don't shoot me for this.

I think Varane has been really good for the past half dozen games or so. Immaculate in the air winning most of his aerial duels, and always seems to be in the right place to cut out crosses.

He may be off in the summer and he hasn't been available as much as I'm sure he would like, but I think he's one of just a handful who can held their head up high and say they put the effort in this season.

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10 Mar 2024 23:25:00
Yes I agree varane has been OK. Make you wonder why he spent 6 or 8 weeks on the bench a few months ago.
A lot of our players are better than the results show.

11 Mar 2024 00:51:45
One game a week he can play and he’s looked good, every time we’ve had midweek games, Europe etc and he’s had to play 2 games in a week he’s got injuries and has to drop out. I’d assume he was left out earlier in the season because of fitness, we were trying to finally get a settled back 4 and he can’t play more than a game a week, now that’s all we have he’s playing and looks good.

10 Mar 2024 09:34:25
Saw this online. Granted not all were on target, but still, this is an embarrassment.

In his last 6 matches across all competitions for United, Onana has faced:

- 23 shots against Aston Villa
- 22 shots against Luton
- 17 shots against Fulham
- 16 shots against Nottingham Forest
- 27 shots against Man City
- 23 shots against Everton

That's a total of 128 shots in 6 games. These are the kind of statistics typical of relegation battling teams.

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10 Mar 2024 12:42:21
No wonder he looked a little shell shocked at first. Said all along, he’s a top keeper, and sadly hasn’t had a settled back 4 in front of him to control and get accustomed too.

10 Mar 2024 14:10:25
And yet, Onana, with the 4th highest save percentage in the PL, is apparently not good enough.
Better % than Ederson, Martinez,
Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale, Raya, Sanchez, Vicario and Verbruggen (all keepers who get nowhere near the flack Onana does), but yeah, he's not good enough.

David De Gea had only the 13th highest save percentage last season and only faced one more shot on target than Onana has already faced this season, making 99 saves to the 103 already made by Onana.

To further affirm what Fallguy says, only 3 keepers have faced more shots on target - Foderingham at Sheff Utd, Kaminski at Luton and Trafford at Burnley.
Sheff Utd, Luton and Burnley - the bottom 3.
4th most shots on target faced with joint 13th best goals against per 90.

This is irrefutable proof that the main reason we've conceded so many goals is the weakness of our defence and central midfield - not the goalkeeper.

Ultimately though, the absolute main reason we are where we are is because only 7 teams have scored less, and they're all in the bottom 8.
That's not all down to Hojlund's early season dearth, it's more down to the wastefulness and selfishness of Rashford and Garnacho along with the absolutely pathetic attacking output of Antony, Pellistri and Martial, and the, frankly, alarming amount of shadow chasing being done by players like Mainoo, McTominay and Fernandes.

Onana certainly isn't perfect, but he's definitely among the best of a rather underperforming bunch.

10 Mar 2024 14:34:14
There was a stat on MOTD that showed Everton have had 64 shots against us in 2 games this season. Granted they haven’t scored but that says more about them than us.

10 Mar 2024 14:46:37
Unfortunately you can expect more of this next season. We need a new back four and new 3 in midfield to be able to defend. That can’t happen.

You can’t build a strong unit with players like Bruno.

10 Mar 2024 16:54:51
Interesting that ETH seemed to suggest it’s not an issue the opposition having shots as they are low level chances and it’s as if we are deliberately allowing that to happen, all very strange.

10 Mar 2024 19:24:11
He has cut out the bad errors and not only that he has reduced what I call the 'mad stuff '
Appears to have knuckled down and probably had a clearer head with the afcon behind him.
I liked what he had to say in a recent interview.
Not seen his passing attributes due to those in front and the lack of any obvious system.
His says there is more to come, well I should think so.
He has improved and needs to do a lot more.
I judge a keeper on saving goals when he is not favourite to do so.
Those clutch saves that win you games.
He has made a few of those recently so if that becomes the norm he's earning his right to be our no1.
I'm still very sceptical as I fear the 'mad stuff' could reappear at any min. So the longer Mr jekyll stays locked away the more confidence everybody around him will have.
Need 13 big performances from him till the end of season.

10 Mar 2024 22:27:52
Onana has looked more assured in recent weeks. The jury is still out but given the amount of shots he faces it’s no surprise he looks shaky. De Gea also had shots raining in on him, and saved us countless times. Yet we still picked out his poor command of the area, overlooking the situation he was in.

Goalkeepers will be judged on their mistakes, and they will make more mistakes when they have more to do. Our back 4 isn’t getting any better any time soon, so maybe he deserves another season assuming we somehow go into August with our first choice back 4 available.

11 Mar 2024 00:53:22
Wazza,

I’d assume the 4 back will be much better in August.

10 Mar 2024 06:52:56
If this is the kind of football our team aspired to play for close to 10 years now, we could have kept Moyes.

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10 Mar 2024 08:57:55
We have still won the FA Cup, League Cup twice and Europa League in those 10 years.

In the 22 years before Fergie won his first trophy we won the FA Cup three times and a second division title.

Sometimes you have to remember how bad we were between successful periods.

10 Mar 2024 12:46:25
I’m surprised just how bad the football has been for a decade - no manager comes in and seems to be able to stamp their authority on a playing style except for LVG, but that was incredibly dire to watch.

10 Mar 2024 01:53:37
One of three for each possible requirement in the summer.
We might well not get any of these names, but I do wonder who would be your choices for positions you'd most prioritise.

Manager. Potter, Tuchel, Amorim.

Keeper. Costa, Mamardashvilli, stick with Onana.

Back up keeper. Suzuki, Trafford, try to keep Bayindir.

RB. Frimpong, Hickey, Geertruida.

LB. Miranda, Estupinan, Kerkez.

RCB. Tosin, Yoro, Todibo.

LCB. Kelly, V Gomez, Braithwaite.

DM. Kimmich, Andre, Onana.

CM. Rabiot, Thuram, Veiga.

AM. Kamada, Cherki, Simons.

RW. Bardghji, Olise, Neto.

LW. Chiesa, Iling-Junior, Oyarzabal.

CF. Gabigol, David, Ferguson.

I know some don't like this kind of post, but they're welcome to be quiet - it's just for fun.

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10 Mar 2024 04:45:04
My choice.

Keep EtH

Stick with Onana

2 centrebacks that have pace and can play out from the back.

New leftback that can stay fit, defend, overlap and devilish crossing.

New young and high energy ball playing CDM with recovery pace.

Flexible striker winger who can displace rashford and also cover hoyland better as striker.

Not sure we can afford much though, and more important who we can move on in my opinion.

10 Mar 2024 07:21:45
Dodgy the one I totally agree with is the high energy ball player! It’s painful watching Casemiro play like yesterday, mctom is really poor and obviously Erickson is over the hill!

10 Mar 2024 08:59:17
So much work needed on the squad, both in and out.

Potential first 11 next year?

Obviously so many variables at the moment!

Onana

Dalot
Andre Silva
Branthwaite
Shaw

Onana
Mainoo
Thuram

Garnacho
Hoijland
Olise.

09 Mar 2024 07:26:26
I have read that the feeling has always been Ten hag's job was under review as a bit of an audition for the role - like an interview. They want to have a decision made this month, they're definitely closer to doing so and having discussions at the top top level of the hierarchy with the people installed by INEOS about whether Ten Hag is the right man to take them forward. His future has NOT been clarified to him or his representatives in either direction as of now. It remains very unlikely he would be replaced before end of season either way.

it would suggest that at minimum based on information out there; they are unconvinced right now, and they don't want to "give it another season" while doubting he's the right guy and thinking they could sack him. So there's logical conclusions there.

There are names that have been considered even since October last year as a contingency plan. They do include Potter, De Zerbi, and Amorim, while there's other names that you can probably rule out like Zidane. No news on Nagelsmann. To be clear nobody appears tohave been offered the job at all, and certainly IF they make a change there will be more conversations had.

In the meantime United are not holding back on their general plans, they've been discussed with people already, recruitment work is being done, names drawn up, etc. It is not going to be down to the manager either way on who they're recruiting.
Maybe early contacts for Branthwaite and Olise. Ed002 could clarify this I am sure.

mbd              
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09 Mar 2024 16:27:38
I’d stay well clear of Branthwaite. Gives me Phil Jones vibes. Always diving into tackles, looks great when he pulls them off but will miss more than he makes.

09 Mar 2024 18:49:57
Fallguy, he’s a young lad. He’ll make mistakes. I was actually watching the game earlier, thinking we’d do well to get him on board in the summer. Reads the game well and brave. He will be a good PL centre half for years to come.

10 Mar 2024 09:07:00
Branthwaite can’t stay on his feet, always looking for the Hollywood slide tackle. That’s the first sign of a bad defender for me.

08 Mar 2024 15:51:32
The team behind the manager is arguably far more important than the manager. The problem we have had to endure is a bunch of amateurs running the club, with the expected result. It's been the Baldy Pevsner syndrome, a series of gambles on either aging past their prime players or unestablished overpriced long shots, rather than an exercise in longer term strategic development. I would suggest it began even before SAF retired. In his case it worked out okay for his final season with the injury prone RVP carrying us to a title, thereafter to disappear into the back of beyond. It was great for SAF, but it was no more than a bandaid and of no benefit at all to team building.

Enter ETH to the graveyard of managers. Amateur hour was still in progress. Casemiro, a great player, but beyond his best. Sancho, with all the warning signs? Antony, an overpriced unproven player? Having talked to fans in the pub about the wasted £1bn what was Richard Arnold thinking? You have to ask yourself why these players. I think we fail to appreciate just how unattractive Man Utd had become as a destination for both players and managers. or, indeed, just how deficient we have been in executive quality, and how critical to our on field success that was.

People are suggesting ETH will go. That may well be the case. But take Potter as an example. Very successful at Brighton but a disaster at a club in transition. Why would it be any different at United? Surely it would be better to stick with ETH than go with Potter. At this point in time, with a complete changeover on the executive floor, the manager should only be changed if there is a clear candidate available to meet the clubs goals within the financial constraints that may be imposed on him. Otherwise we may just be moving on to the next disappointment.

Interesting to note, that at the time when ETH was appointed the other strong candidate was Pochettino. How's he doing? Where's the equal calls for his head after all the money spent, their dismal season so far and their failure to beat an injury stricken Liverpool at Wembley?

Be careful what you wish for. Be patient. Obviously we want a top manager, but no manager will be top if the club itself isn't managed by top people.

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08 Mar 2024 16:30:21
Poch never spent the money, ETH did, Poch not even been there a season ETH been nearly two, bit of a non comparison really… so how is it even a judgment call….
Antony was totally known to ETH he been coaching him for years, so if anyone it should have been ETH who knew Antony was not good enough, but he insisted on him like with Onana and Mount and numerous others, really out of all the buys/ loans it’s only Martinez who is near the level required and Rasmus possibly

I seem to remember Zlaten scoring enough and RVP even Ronaldo on his return, so think bit unfair saying all disasters, you can’t just fill a team and have no experience or leaders, we been moaning no leaders for years…. All easy in hindsight.

08 Mar 2024 19:45:31
Be careful shaw ant posts with an element of common sense and anything remotely positive regarding the manager you’ll get lynched by the troll above!

I see your point definitely but I can also see Ineos possibly having their own ideas of who and how they want the shop floor to be run! They may well see ETH as the man, having spoken with him directly, they may not! We shall see!

He will be successful again somewhere I’m sure of it, whether that’s with us I don’t know, if it’s not with us at some point I’m sure it’ll bite us on the backside like football usually does!

08 Mar 2024 23:46:30
Well, even crazier, Romano saying OGS is coming back! Ken will lose his mind!

09 Mar 2024 08:03:01
Romano is a grade A flog. Right up there with my most despised, and I use the term very loosely, journalists. Gets away with his perpetual drivel by adding “could” “may” “might” “possibly” to all of his crappy predictions so he is covered when it doesn’t happen and can claim “I told you so” when it does.

Like has been said before. You can throw a 1000 darts at the bull and one is bound to go in. You can then shout out to anyone that will listen that you meant it!

I predict the Roy Keane could be the next manager and Cantona might be the youth team coach.

09 Mar 2024 08:49:01
Shaw and Chris, good posts. Strangegeezer, predictable.

09 Mar 2024 18:27:23
Derangedways never wanted EtH as manager because he's Dutch 🤷🏻‍♂️🤦‍♂️.

09 Mar 2024 20:17:56
Strangeways. ETH did not spend the money, Manchester United management did, and I'm criticizing the amount. My comment has zero to do with ETH, but with the club itself.

Considering the amount Chelsea spent on so many highly rated players, I think it entirely fair to compare Pochettino's first season with ETH's. There's one clear winner.

Other than going on another rant, what's your point, other than you don't like ETH. which we all know anyway. Why do you bother?

 


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