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15 May 2019 19:31:53
Would love to see a team of decent quality but plenty of heart, desire and character.

GK: De Gea or Pickford
RB: Wan Bissaka
CB: Lindelof and Koulibaly
LB: Shaw
CM: Ndidi and Neves
RW: Pepe
CAM: Bruno Fernandes
LW: Martial
CF: Rashford

It's not the perfect team, still have a couple with questionable attitudes (eg. Martial) however a couple of the players already there could prosper more without the influence of Pogba. Obviously this seems like a massive outlay but clearing Sanchez off the books along with the sales of Pogba, Lukaku and potentially De Gea would help fund it along with a large budget. I think Ole or whoever is to be in charge could work with that team. Because it's not just about suiting the manager at the time. It's about buying a type of player that you think will have the characteristics to play and fight for this great club.

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15 May 2019 19:55:17
I like the look of that although if DDG goes we need to look at Romero for a year and Henderson next year if he copes with the PL this season. No need for cost of Pickford.

15 May 2019 20:00:36
Agree with Brad. why on earth pay money for Pickford when we have Romero.

15 May 2019 20:28:58
Never understood the Pickford love, I think he is massively overrated.

15 May 2019 20:38:49
Really like that team. Strong spine, especially the midfield. And agree, Pickford is shocking. Romero all day for me.

16 May 2019 06:48:49
How much have your seen of pepe and fernandes killer?

16 May 2019 09:34:14
Good team bar Pickford, he's pretty average.

Also, I'm not convinced with Rashford as first choice, I feel he's on the same level as Wellbeck. Would probably rather see Greenwood in there based on what I've seen, maybe a rotation between the two.

16 May 2019 11:19:47
Nor sure Martial meets the requirements of "heart, desire and character" to be honest.

16 May 2019 12:03:01
He is our pele betty.

16 May 2019 13:46:16

Just have done the YouTube scouting and from hearing off others. They seem to have had stellar seasons, in weaker leagues however. Anything is better than the return we're getting from players like Sanchez and Lingard at the moment.

16 May 2019 15:19:23
Ive seen nothing much of either myself killer.
Just wondering if you had any insights.

15 May 2019 15:28:29
Hey ed02

Has there been any movement with Sanchez, is he willing to lower wage demands to move club?

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}

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15 May 2019 15:01:59
Some interesting stats on sky sports, one which caught my eye was that we only scored 4 headed goals last season.

Says everything about the quality of our crossing

Liverpool scored 19 and 6 of those by mane
Think City scored 12.

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15 May 2019 16:10:12
Not sure we scored more with our feet.

15 May 2019 11:20:42
Realistically how many minutes does everyone expect Angel Gomes and Chong to be getting next season?

With Ajax seemingly about to be dismantled, surely they would be 2 technical players who could fill in there on Loan for a season?

Also on the same note, Fosu Mensah, he again could be a good candidate to loan and develop at Ajax.

{Ed002's Note - You are living in a fantasy world - Ajax has no interest in these players.}

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15 May 2019 12:03:45
Why the obsession with Ajax?

I'm sure they would rather blood their own youngsters.

15 May 2019 12:08:59
I'm guessing that Ajax has it's own young technical players coming through. They seem to be better at developing players for the first team better than we are.

14 May 2019 23:56:19
Looks like griezmann is off to barca. Will never get over us not signing him. He’s the one that got away for me. Wonderful player and would have been a joy to watch him here.

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15 May 2019 11:21:13
Good player, another primadonna. We've more than enough of those.

15 May 2019 12:40:32
They say that time is a great healer. I am sure sure that eventually, with the right support network and some professional help you will come to terms with this tragedy.

God bless you.

14 May 2019 19:08:44
Why are we not interested in signing De Ligt is it a done deal with Barcelona? With price mentioned of 60mill and his age we should be looking trying to get him.

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14 May 2019 19:52:49
I'm sure they looked. Maybe it's the price? Maybe he is already further down the road with another club?

Have a search, I'm sure ed has mentioned it at some point.

14 May 2019 20:12:16
Maybe he’d rather move to Barcelona than us? Weird huh?

14 May 2019 20:52:16
If the papers are to be believed we did scout him but decided against it because his dad is on the large side.

14 May 2019 23:11:44
Why would you go to a club that doesnot prioritise technical ability and bringing the ball out from the back?

Seeing as those attributes are de ligts strong suits, he'd be advised to steer well clear of us.

City and Barcelona would be much better options and that's not even considering champions league football on offer.

15 May 2019 00:18:31
we will have to tell the scouts just because his dad eats chips it does not mean he does.

14 May 2019 16:39:51
Just been reading the possibility of City being denied a champs league place because of a breach of ffp rules. If this was infact to be the case for next season and arsenal were to win the Europa league we would technically get the CL spot.
Not saying it will happen as I highly doubt it or even think we're good enough to be in it but it would if anything be highly amusing.

{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

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14 May 2019 16:19:42
I found Gary Neville's comments about his time spent with Ole doing their coaching badges as very interesting. He said Ole had his own strong ideas about a 4222 type system.

We haven't played a strict version of a 4222 that often since Ole has taken over, although he as played with a front 2 in several different systems.

I find this interesting as it would fascinating to understand why that is.
Does Ole not feel he has the player to play this way?
Has Ole changed his mind/ ideas since he took his coaching badges with Neville?
Or are the other coaches at the club having an impact on how the team play?

A 4222 is often used to play quick vertical football. It's a system often deployed to move the ball from back to front quickly to create chances centrally or for strikers coming in on the inside channels. It lends itself more to a pressing system than a possession system, although is adaptable enough to be used in either.

Seeing which transfers the club completes this summer will be interseting.

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14 May 2019 16:43:15
Your analysis of formations is really interesting shappy have you done any coaching badges? If not how do you get so much info about formations etc?

14 May 2019 18:10:29
I've done my FA level 1, but that was as far as I got. The structure in England is terrible for young coaches. You need to do level 1, 2 and 3 before you can do your UEFA B license. This is on top of at least a couple of years worth of observation. Level 1 cost me £140, Level 2 is £240, and level 3 is around £500. All of that will need to be self funded unless a club will pay for you. Then your UEFA B license is around £5000, and you need to be working at a professional club to be assessed. So it would cost you or a club around £6000 plus probably around 4-5 years to get to that stage. However, if your an ex-professional you can jump straight in at UEFA B level. So it's very hard or very expensive for someone who isn't an ex-professional to get involved.

I learn a lot from watching and analysing football matches, I have taken some online courses and I read lots of coaching/ tactic based books. A lot of it often ends up being common sense. A narrow formation will lend itself to counter attacking due to the vertical nature, a wider formation is better for possession based football as it stretches the pitch horizontally creating more space for pass and move football.

However, formations are only the starting point. More often than not teams will adapt and change shape continually throughout a game. It's the tactics that will dictate how the team plays. Often it is very hard to fully grasp the tactics when watching a match, you might be able to work out the gist of what they are. The oppositions tactics will be considered when devising your own tactics and vice versa. Often the interplay between one teams tactics and the others make it hard to determine exactly what the either was intending.

For example is team A pressing high, or are team B dropping deep?

If you decide to allow the opposition possession and sit deep to create space in behind it can look like the opposition are pressing you high up the pitch. It takes a lot of practice and a keen eye for details to discern the difference. Often not watching what the player on or near the ball is doing but what the whole team is doing.

14 May 2019 18:31:11
I'd say the latter shappy. Others within the staff are having a greater input that Ole. Unfortunately, the man is not strong enough and so far has only shown himself to be merely a cheerleader on the sidelines.

14 May 2019 19:16:55
Wow thanks shappy. Reason I was asking is I'm currently a grassroots level 1 coach and I am going on to do my level 2 and a sports degree. It must of changed as level 3 is now UEFA B but yeh its a lot of time and money to climb the ladder. If you wouldn't mind pointing me in the right direction for good books and online courses that would be great?
I'm currently going onto do talent and scouting courses and really want to make a career of it as I love helping the development of young players.

{Ed001's Note - have you looked at the coaches voice website?}

14 May 2019 19:32:50
No never heard of that I'll look into that thanks ed.

{Ed001's Note - it has some interesting vids and stuff regarding coaching.}

14 May 2019 22:02:59
GD, I can't think of any off the top of my head. I did as many before start off by reading Inverting the Pyramid. Which is a nice place to start to see how tactics and ideas have evolved but also how many "new" ideas are just old ideas being reimagined.

I have Uni exams over the next couple of weeks, but I might be able to come up with a more comprehensive list of sources after that. If I forget just remind me.

What I would say is just read everything, the more you read the more you know. Sometimes reading the same thing but written in a different way opens the idea up to you in a new way. So just keep reading.

15 May 2019 03:37:44
Shappy. good thread to read. I simply believe, if a coach has belief in some system. he will work on it. may be not proper players at the moment? . That wing play system needs wingers. and we don't have a single. there was a time when we use to keep 3 good and 1 rotation quality. Now all we have is forwards who can play there and always intent to cut inside.
I hope after this window, he will gethis likewise players.
But I strongly believe, do not over rule impact of Mike Phelan's defensive views as an assistant.

15 May 2019 11:37:26
Quite a few fans here with some coaching knowledge, can you guys brief some of us the less in-tune, what coaching style is Nuno Espírito Santo's favored one at Wolves.

15 May 2019 14:07:09
Great post as always Shappy.

I think the formation and team will be very different next year and whilst we had a shocker of an end to the season his repeated change of tactics/ different players could benefit us going forward with the knowledge gained.

If we did move to the 4222 who do you feel in the current team would thrive in this and who would be the right players to bring in.

13 May 2019 11:24:07
Finally this roller coaster of a season has ended. Sigh of relief from me and some utd fans as we could not stand any more of such performances.
Great battle that was between city and lpool, strange how a team lost only once in a season yet did not win the league.
I can't remember if we have ever had 3 players sharing the goal king spot and 2 from the same team. Just amazing.
But for the top 2 teams, the team I found most entertaining to watch was Wolves; my goodness how I wish Utd was that organized and effective. Shout out to bmouth, watford and palace for some entertaining matches as well.
I am sad to see fulham relegated, however their performance this season mirrored that of ours, what we were doing in the top half they were emulating in the bottom half (including having a string of good results under a caretaker coach until he was confirmed) Can't say much about chelsea, although their disciplinary record impressed me, if ever sarri realizes how to best utilize kante, they'd be closer to the top 2.
It is evident spurs need to sign players.
I wonder if Mike Ashley really promised the magpies a holiday in Vegas if they stayed up?
Anyways, well done Soton for waking up just in time to wave Brighton and Huddersfield bye bye.
The hammers epitomize my opening sentence, wonder if their season would have been different if their injury list wasn't at times longer that the fit list.
I had high expectations of Everton, partly because I rated Silva highly, now not so sure anymore.
I think Arsenal fans must be happier than utd fans, at least they have a semblance of the direction the club is going, and can yet end up with a trophy.
Was quite indifferent about Burnley although it was good to see the old fashioned 2 top formation.
Seems Rodgers has revived Leicester in a way.
With how Cardiff finished the season, I won't be surprised if Warnock stays.
I started this piece as just a two sentence comment and it evolved into this long personal brief on How The Season Went!
Congrats not so noisy neighbors . for now!

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13 May 2019 12:03:54
It's been a crazy season. I too am a huge fan of Nuno Espirito Santo and his Wolves team. They play some great football.

13 May 2019 08:52:39
I must admit I am loving watching your lots demise, by the way we are Off to Madrid.

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13 May 2019 09:27:59
As good as you've been this season you do realise you blew a 10 point lead don't you? That's got to sting a little.

13 May 2019 09:56:00
All those years of hurt, you're now celebrating finishing 2nd. Well done.

13 May 2019 11:24:28
Hold up, last time you were on here weren't you telling us about your team winning the league?

This is Klopp's 4th European final. How did the others go?

13 May 2019 11:27:43

You finished 2 places below us and 6 points worse off 3 years ago.

13 May 2019 20:24:46
Good luck in Madrid, 6 will be great but you will never get near Madrid in Europe. Likewise look forward to the 30 year mark, jesus for such a MASSIVE club, 30 years is tough. Maybe one year it will be yours and you will get close to the best in England, until then goodbye and shut up.

14 May 2019 16:49:01
30 year mark bloody hell mate you must be one of them supporters who think the league started in 1992. Your 26 year drought for the so called richest club escaped your memory? Your already 6 years into your new spell and the way your club is being run it could be 10 before you have another crack at it. And in them next 4 years everyone else will improve or try to too. Enjoy your summer boys if we win the 6th or not don’t let it spoil your break we will have a whole season come mid August to wind each other up.

15 May 2019 14:12:15
Scouse John, nope mate not a 1992 fan. 1983 FA Cup replay was the first real time I got interested. We were a team that tried challenging but won a few cups. However the 26 year mark has been beaten by you lot, I am allowed to gloat on 30 years. See you in 3 months. Viva Spurs.


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