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08 Mar 2024 09:08:04
Hi ed 002. It may be a subject you don't want to get in to or even have time to address.
I'm just curious on what the aim is for the new structure to look like. I'm not really talking about names of individuals but actually what each role will actually look to do to push the club forward. Reading some papers Jason wilcox is a name thrown around then another is Dougie Freeman, would that be a case of one or the other, or would they work alongside each other. Like I say I don't what the names of individuals the club are looking at but more the rolls they are trying to fill. For instance will there be a manager of the fist team or will that now be head coach etc.
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - In terms of "what each role will actually look to do to push the club forward" - it doesn't work like that. Collectively the new structure will be tasked with getting the results on the field, managing the various streams (first team, youth teams, women's teams), managing the recruitment process and scouting, managing the commercial side of the club etc.. I would not try and distinguish between titles like Heand Coach or Manager, or inteed Sporting Director and Director of Football.}

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10 Mar 2024 23:03:27
I think one of the main issues to be addressed is that there is one consistent style of play that is coached to all the various age levels. This enables youngsters to play according to the managers style and when called upon to be introduced into the first team they are able to fit in immediately.

08 Mar 2024 11:50:45
Home game at the weekend against the draw special-ists.
Do we have any players back for this one?

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08 Mar 2024 15:25:48
The bad news is Rashford is fit.

08 Mar 2024 16:34:01
Surely even they not going to get a draw or win against us? If we can’t beat them at home even with injuries, ETH is gone in the international break imo.

08 Mar 2024 17:22:22
We have only lost 1 less game than them so far. Think we can take them at OT though and hoping for all 3 points.

07 Mar 2024 22:58:35
Someone please tell me we are not looking to sack ETH and hire Potter or Southgate.

It would be straight up the biggest mistake.

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08 Mar 2024 05:20:24
ETH is good as gone, which is music to my ears, but Southgate coming in, OMG I think that would just be the final straw, more years of dour boring football, surely no one but no one will make us put up with that.

Potter not my choice but take him over Southgate any day of the week, if that was the straight choice.

Hopefully it’s all speculation and the replacement is already in line and neither of them, but again would not put any money on it.

08 Mar 2024 08:21:15
If Southgate is the best candidate this new football side of United can come up with then they are more inept than the previous regime.

Southgate has a terrible record against the Top 10 teams in world football. The pace of the international game is very slow and he doesn’t have to worry about coaching the players that much as he only sees them for a week or so.

In my opinion he’s one of the worst managers for in game tactics and changing things to win a game.

I’m hoping this is all media crap and there’s not a scrap of truth to it.

Potter will be almost as bad.

I’m not a massive fan of ETH but I’d happily give him a new 10 year contract if Potter and Southgate are the alternatives.

08 Mar 2024 09:00:49
Graham Potter is a very good coach. I'd be happy if utd went with him.

08 Mar 2024 10:26:52
Certain posters on here deserve Southgate and all the misery he’d bring ???.

08 Mar 2024 10:32:20
Ten Hag is also a very good coach. The word is full of them. We’ve had a few over recent years and we sack them all.

I’m thinking it’s not the coach that’s the biggest issue.

08 Mar 2024 10:37:45
I think Potter needs a job with less scrutiny than the United job as I think he'll be judged on what happened at Chelsea. Go away and be successful in a ''kinder'' environment and then maybe he'd be ready for the United job. I just think the knives will be out immediately from fans and the media. There's enough pressure on the United manager anyway but coming in off of a failed manager role will not help him IMO.

08 Mar 2024 11:29:32
I agree ports. Its a really tough job with the level of scrutiny which only get heightened with every failed year that passes.

08 Mar 2024 13:23:52
Srestha.
I don't think for 1 minute Southgate will be under serious consideration by sjr and team.
He maybe the 2nd best England manager of all time but I think he is very risk adverse and a bit dull. He is suited to intl management and has done a great job for England imo. But club football is different and requires a different skill set.

08 Mar 2024 13:53:14
Southgate is an FA boy, who is the embodiment of their DNA and FA Coaching philosophies, that's how he got into the England 1st team role. I also don't believe he is cut out for club football and should look for a role back in the FA.

{Ed002's Note - What is that meant to mean? - what an idiotic remark.}

08 Mar 2024 16:11:04
In 2014 he was behind the launch of “the England DNA”, which was a plan to establish a way of playing and create a history and heritage for the national team from junior to senior levels. His time as manager of England Under-21s also helped put his ideas of developing young players into practice. He meets there criteria to carry out a plan they spent a lot of money on rolling out across FA Learning and their coaching quals. He was FA's head of elite development in 2011. That’s what I mean by that statement Ed ?.

08 Mar 2024 16:28:42
People can absolutely criticise team selections, game management decisions, signings but let's not use internal situations that we aren't privy of to criticise.

08 Mar 2024 16:37:11
LOL well I’m glad you explained that so thoroughly makes sense now!

06 Mar 2024 19:22:58
Obvious people have made their decision on the managers role so let’s look at it another way. Strangeways, you didn’t want ETH, who would you have had and why? Ken, who would you replace ETH with and why and don’t hide behind “it doesn’t matter who I want” or “I’ll back whoever the owners think is the right man”. Stick you head above the parapet and give us a name. Red Man, who could do a better job with this group in these conditions under this regime and why?

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06 Mar 2024 19:58:49
Difficult question to answer trying to go back two years, but Carlo springs to mind when he was at Everton, if I had wanted discipline and a coach that actually won things maybe Simeone, maybe even Conte, would I have got rid of Jose. Nope but these are all hypothetical but one thing for certain, I would have made sure they actually had won things that are relevant, they had relevant experience I would have done my homework on there personality, I certainly would not let someone with such limited experience lose with 400 mil… I would not want someone who got such limited experience with multi millionaire huge ego players, it was always going to be a recipe for disaster in my view.

If it was replacement now and my choice I would probably go Flick. Potter not really for me neither Tuchel, but think Tuchel becoming a strong contender, but I have a feeling it might be someone who is prepared to tow the line and go forward the Ineos way, that maybe not such a big name who is willing to do that, Barcelona tried that with Xavi, but it’s a difficult gig to sell to big ego’s

But also as you know I not just jumped on the back of ETH, I never thought he was of the required standard or had the required experience, I know some are waxing lyrical about last season achievements, but in my view the football was terrible then and I always said lack of goals is a serious problem along with his ability to rub many up the wrong way, that style of management really don’t work in 2024 unless you won things with that style and gain peoples respect, much like Jose done, very rarely you hear ex players of Jose have a bad word to say about him, in fact even players he gives dogs abuse to, say he was best manager they had and learnt so much from him, I doubt we going to see that with ETH.
I guess the usual ringmasters will now jump on all the above for one reason or another, but you ask my personal opinion that’s what it is an OPINION, some should learn that….

06 Mar 2024 22:03:46
Someone on talksport this week mentioned Ancelloti and his training sessions. Something along the lines of he’d just do what players enjoyed because he’s dealing with professionals who shouldn’t need coaching. There were stories that Munich players held secret sessions behind his back because his sessions were to relaxed.

I think porto, inter, Chelsea 1st time and some Madrid players of Jose would speak highly of him, not convinced players since United and after would. Not sure our bunch would take to Simeone or Conte. However, I did mention recently a I could see a surprise move for Simeone and if ETH was to go, I wouldn’t be opposed to him if he was backed over players.

07 Mar 2024 05:23:57
Well if that’s what Carlo does do, it’s not worked out bad as it! As for secret sessions behind his back, clearly not very secret was they if even you know, I wonder why Carlo never heard! LOL

Jose gave shaw dogs abuse, shaw still speaks highly of him though, Joe Cole subbed within 30 mins at one point speaks very highly of him, the list goes on and on very hard to find a player ex or playing who says anything bad, but that’s nothing to do with it.

So I mention Simeone, no it’s wrong, but you mentioned him, yes it’s right. ok I get it, Carlo, no good because press say he let's his players do what they want, yet he is the most decorated manager, so that clearly works and the school teacher approach don’t! But that’s wrong too and our players won’t take to conte because he to take to Conte because he is very disciplined, the same thing as you previously say ETH done well and is doing well at……. But of course you had to find fault with all…says it all every single one of them won everything there is to win, some multiple but nope none good enough.

Be careful keep dismissing managers because Southgate could be in the dug out, then well…….!

{Ed001's Note - Carlo got the sack because of the training sessions as he delegates them to his idiot son. The Bayern players did all gather in a local park after training to properly train, there is plenty of footage of it and plenty of interviews with Bayern players talking about it. His son was also a problem at Everton and in prior jobs. Oh and Ancelotti has been handed the best team and squad by miles in almost every job he has had, yet failed to win the league as often as he wins it. Most overrated coach in history. He should have double the number of league titles yet he loses to patched up Barcelonas etc.}

07 Mar 2024 07:06:05
I think when players are getting together without the manager being aware and then the reports come out after he’s been sacked that would absolutely constitute it as secret sessions. Surprised you didn’t do know that with your detailed homework on managers ?

You literally just read what you want to read don’t you. No wonder people don’t take any of your posts seriously and you need to change your username on here. I asked you who you’d appoint before ETH at that time. I don’t think these players would have taken to Simeone if they don’t like ETH standards. BUT under a new regime IF they back the manager over players I wouldn’t be opposed to him now.

Perhaps you should be take some of your wise advise and not continue to dismiss ETH if you’re not keen on Southgate.

07 Mar 2024 07:35:00
The problem with eth for me is that he hasn't improved one player. Our passages of play haven't improved.
For me he came in tried to implement what he wanted. Soon realised the players weren't up to it and instead of sticking with his style he went to what got results.
To be fair, the beginning of his first season after the poor start, you started to see patterns of play, an identity but for me it's all been down hill from around the Newcastle final. Personally don't think we have played well since then. We hopped over the line last season, pre season you could see the problems and that's carried on into this campaign.
That's why I don't see utd with eth challenging. Everyone knows our weaknesses, but very little is done by the coaching set up to put things right.
His recruitment is shocking aswel. Not one player he has signed has been good enough. Hojlund is young and has glimpses. Martinet is the only other who I think would survive a fresh start.

07 Mar 2024 07:37:51
May want to do some of your homework on players opinions on Mourinho too ?.

07 Mar 2024 08:38:02
Strangebloke, your comments and reactions to others come as absolutely no surprise at all. So predictable.

07 Mar 2024 11:36:10
Jose has players who rave about him and others that didn't enjoy life under him at all.
Like most managers.
Jose's biggest downfall at united imo was not resigning the summer after they didn't back him with shifting out the likes of martial Shaw pogba etc.
Staying on after that meant he was on a hiding to nothing. Imo he has been our best manager since fergie.

07 Mar 2024 12:45:48
I didn't want JM anywhere near our club. His demise was predictable and I was immensely pleased when he left.

07 Mar 2024 14:24:45
If multiple titles and champions leagues and cups etc is an overrated coach, give me one of them I don’t care who it is! Should be easy to find!

{Ed001's Note - he wouldn't win them with United though would he? Just like he won f all at Everton. He only wins with a team much better than the rest. You wouldn't understand as you are just an ignorant troll.}

07 Mar 2024 15:06:51
I am very pleased to here this from Ed001 who I appreciate. I don’t understand the hype about him, forget about titles only, they don’t play good football and Leipzig dominated them yesterday, City the year year before should have scored 5 against them and even Chelsea I think were very unlucky to lose against Madrid .
Real don’t play good football, they are not a well organised team, they just have Bellingham Vinicius etc who win games their own.

07 Mar 2024 16:50:02
And before Vinicius and Bellingham were there they did not win nothing.

Ed that’s a bit uncalled for, no wonder others on the site use the same language, because someone don’t agree with you, there is no need to take that attitude is there!

{Ed001's Note - are.you for real? Do you not know who Madrid are? It was nothing to do with you disagreeing, it is because you are a tedious bore who I have repeatedly banned for trolling.}

07 Mar 2024 17:45:15
Ports
You asked who could do a better job with this group in these conditions under this regime and why?

Ed002 gave a list of managers who the club may be interested in. Start there. I believe all of them on the list would do a better job. They are some really good managers who can organise and coach. I would add Simeone because he had pushed Barcelona and Real, organised and coached his teams fantastically well.
Not seen the level of coaching from ETH that I expected.

07 Mar 2024 19:49:28
Red man, it all goes the same until changes at the top are made.

ETH is not a fit with these players. To play his style, he needs very different players.

If pep were in charge it would be the same thing. We do not have the talent to do what he wants to do.

07 Mar 2024 21:58:25
angelred

I expect a coach to be able to organise players to coordinate in defence, midfield and attack, to play some football. ETH spent £400m yet we don’t have the talent to even play some football.

08 Mar 2024 07:51:35
???? The troll got burnt. ????.

08 Mar 2024 09:23:46
He should be able to work with the players he has to some extent. They are all capable and overpaid. If they cannot adapt then they should not be playing or commanding such wages. Yes I know, that’s down to the hirers.

But by the same virtue if he cannot get even a bad tune out of what he has then that's down to him. He picks the team.

I would suggest that Pep would do significantly better. Even if we didn't win we wouldn’t be played off the park week in week out.

People are saying we cannot play the low block with the cattle we have, or play out from the back. Here is a tip……. DON’T THEN!

Yes, admittedly, it would be messy but lose the ball in the opposition half and not in our own final 1/ 3.

Definition of insanity……….

08 Mar 2024 10:00:33
Ken

Agree on Jose and said at the time he should have resigned the day after the window closed. Exposed them for what they were doing.

08 Mar 2024 10:28:59
Ports you’ll never get them to answer that mate it’ll be what does it matter bla bla!

08 Mar 2024 10:52:42
Thank god the Ed’s are aware of it, he constantly takes over / ruins the page for me with his trolling and it’s so tiring.

08 Mar 2024 17:26:57
Oh didums Giggs… sorry I ruin the page for you……. maybe if you just commented on united and not be infatuated with me, you would enjoy more. Or if everyone just posted what you want to hear would that be much better for you?

Don’t think actually got burnt, people just have to look at his honours to know the truth there, that don’t take Einstein to work out.

06 Mar 2024 12:42:45
Have INEOS already made their first big mistake?

The pursuit of Sporting Director Dan Ashworth is already turning into a fiasco straight out of the Glazer playbook.

As Asworth sits tending to his flowers Utd have the handbrake on again.

A compromise with Newcastle seems unlikely as they flex their financial muscle in maybe a less conventional way. They can afford to pay his wages and make Utd wait.

Surely Utd knew of the clause in his contract and must have foreseen Newcastle's fury at losing such an important figure only 18 months into his role, especially to a rival whilst trying to assert their authority as new kids on the block.

Newcastle are an ambitious Club, with deep pockets and whilst Ashworth sits idle the INEOS juggernaut screeches to a halt.

There is talk that Ashworth will not be part of Utds summer plans and the Club still may have to pay significant compensation only to take him in 12-18 months time! Surely Utd can't wait that long?

A Sporting Director is pivotal to Clubs plans, they will set the philosophy and direction for the Club moving forward. With EtH's job in jeopardy who will appoint the new manager? Who will oversee the recruitment and perhaps more importantly the sale of players. How much will it cost Utd in the long run if the wrong manager is appointed or the wrong players recruited? How much damage will be caused as Utd wait?!

If Utd want Ashworth they will seemingly either have to wait or over pay. A strategy synonymous with the indecision and incompetence of the Glazer regime and a tag INEOS are surely keen to lose! In addition it shouldn't be ignored that Ashworth is a close friend of Sir David Brailsford which begs the question is this nepotism at play once again. Yet another instance of jobs for the boys another strategy synonymous with the Glazers.

Surely there are other excellent candidates, ones that don't come with such complications and whilst INEOS may want their man, have they grossly underestimated Newcastle's resolve and now face their first major crisis as minority owners.

Welcome to Manchester United!

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06 Mar 2024 14:04:58
Ratcliffe out!

Seriously, wait and see.

06 Mar 2024 16:02:11
For goodness sake DLIB, get a grip of yourself.

06 Mar 2024 16:13:49
Calm down lads I’m only questioning the predicament and decision making re Ashworth. If you don’t think it’s an issue that fine but surely we can debate it in a constructive manner.

What are your thoughts on it?

06 Mar 2024 16:20:58
DLIB, would you take the wrong manager now because they are easily available or wait 12 months for the right candidate?

06 Mar 2024 16:44:18
DLIB, not everything has to have such a grand and overly dramatic sub text.
I really think you need to show a little patience, I have no doubt this is a case of rutting stags trying to stand up to each other which will probably be resolved fairly quickly.

06 Mar 2024 17:32:16
Who says right candidate is not available now?
Who any of us think is the right candidate is completely irrelevant.
Nice to chew the fat on but 100% irrelevant.

06 Mar 2024 17:38:20
DLIB

In no way whatsoever will INEOS be remotely interested in waiting up to 18 months for Ashworth, it simply won't happen.

Newcastle want £21m which, in the grand scheme of things, shouldn't be viewed as a problem. They will still want that fee in the summer and will have no reason to concede ground.
We will surely pay the £21m before the end of the season if we cannot find an alternative - especially if the consensus of ten Hag being replaced is correct.

I personally think that, if we're to get a new manager/ coach, we should pay up right now because the much anticipated managerial merry-go-round has already selected it's gear with Alonso and Amorim each already the subject of preliminary discussion in at least 2 of Liverpool, Munich and Barcelona - as soon as the brake's off the movements will be swift.

We absolutely should have gone for Amorim 2 years ago and I can only hope he doesn't show why at Liverpool.

Maybe we'll need to consider Tuchel, but we'll still need to be prepared early to stand a chance, so the INEOS team simply cannot afford to shoot themselves in the foot by not getting Ashworth or an equivalent in ASAP.
Sir Jim will be very well aware of this and will certainly already be on the haggle, but he will know where the balance is between being mugged off and mugging oneself off.

Have faith mate, this summer will present the INEOS pudding.

06 Mar 2024 18:22:01
Ork - Thanks for the constructive reply mate, in my opinion it makes little sense to wait upwards of 18 months but like you said it might not happen.

Shappy - Is Ashworth the right man? Have other candidates been considered? Have then done their due diligence? What do you think about his connections to SDB? Is this the right candidate or more nepotism? I think it’s worth discussing.

Tumble - I agree my opinion is irrelevant but as supporters we can still debate the decision making of those in charge. Is it right to wait upwards of 18 months? Should we pay the compensation or look elsewhere? All interesting points for discussion in my opinion.

Is Ashworth that good he’s either worth the money or the wait? I have my concerns. I’d prefer to have a DoF in place before decisions are made regarding any potential new manager for example. If things were more stable then waiting might not be such a bad idea but should such crucial decision be made before his appointment. I think that’s worth debating?

06 Mar 2024 18:23:11
I may be wrong but all the posturing and eventual compensation paid wil be around whether he can start before the summer window (and as such possibly impact Newcastle's summer plans) or after the window. I don't see any time that it drags on longer than that.
Could there be an agreement whether gentlemens put in that stops us going for specific pre stated targets . probably against competition rules but who knows!

06 Mar 2024 18:31:09
I have been in this exact situation on three occasions in Uniteds position and once in Newcastles.
Without being privy to details i'm sure that Newcastle will hold firm and delay as long as possible until they have their own house in order in terms of replacing Ashworth and having their new structure in place. They will then imo negotiate the fee.
There will be a resolution soon enough. Maybe not as soon as everybody on our side of the fence would like but it will happen.
The unfortunate unintended consequences of a delay is it will have a knock on effect on other appointments which are usually preferred to be done in a certain sequence.
There will have to be some workarounds if ideal timings can't be achieved but we've good people on it imo so let there be no panic. ?.

{Ed002's Note - No, this is simply nonsense. Do you have no understanding of the situation l?}

06 Mar 2024 18:52:59
Dlib it's not necessarily a bad thing when people have worked well together before.
Is that not why SDB is here through his working relationship with SJR?
It's worth debating for sure but why post the decision?
The decision has been made Ashworth is going to be our new DOF.
We've wanted a DOF for years.
Now your questioning the one they've chosen before he started work.
Your also questioning the method in which he was chosen.
It just seems odd to me that you've questioned everything the glazers did, and now we have a new major investor taking full control of the football side of the club and your now questioning their methodology and appointments before they even start.
A better debate would be what does dlib actually want?
Or what would dlib not question. ?
People on here think I'm harsh on eth now but at least I gave him a chance to start work ????.
Who is the right man? Nobody is perfect that's for sure. Nobody will have perfect results or no question marks. But that doesn't mean we can't leave some questions unasked until we see what the chosen one is about! Is that not fair?

06 Mar 2024 19:16:05
I think this is not even worth debating, if Ashworth is the man I have no doubt he will be in situ by the time ineos want him in situ, your trying to debate something that is not even known outside the ineos camp. Many are coming up with figures, times even the person, but it’s all hearsay, just wait and see, no billion pound company just throws all the balls up in the air and see which one lands, this is already virtually done and parts of the puzzle are in place, if that’s Ashworth or not no one is 100% just wait…….

06 Mar 2024 20:18:37
Ed002 I've no understanding of the details or this specific situation fair comment.

06 Mar 2024 23:35:34
DLIB, my point was more that you wouldn't just hire a manager, any manager just because it will be difficult and time consuming to hire the preferred/ correct candidate.

They have decided on Ashworth, they spoke with several people who they had previously shortlisted.

That sounds like they've done their due diligence. At the end of that process Ashworth has been chosen as the best candidate. They now just need to negotiate a deal to get him here with the minimum amount of fuss.

Given the excellent jobs Ashworth has done with the FA, Brighton and Newcastle he has the proven track record that suggests he is probably the best suited person.

07 Mar 2024 06:47:06
Ed he never had an understanding of the situation but he will try and talk like he has been there and done it ???.

07 Mar 2024 08:43:32
In one Chris1 ???.

07 Mar 2024 14:39:15
This ain’t a 6 month project. Stop judging it on old timelines. Doing things right can take time.

06 Mar 2024 00:03:43
Hi Ed!

Do you have any insights into when Ashworth and co. will join?

Also, curious as to who will join as part of the "co. " Will it be Wilcox, Freedman, Julian Ward, Joe Shields or someone else?

Any other insights on director-level appointments would be appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know about the "and Co" but AShworth will not join until compensation has been agreed and paid.}

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05 Mar 2024 23:36:40
Hi Ed02!

In one of the post you mentioned that you would prefer Amorim to replace ETH. Personally! i have no idea about him so don't have an opinion at all.

Would you be able to tell us why you think he is a suitable candidate please?

Would very much love to read your insight.

{Ed002's Note - Sorry I don't want to get in to things like that.}

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04 Mar 2024 16:59:37
Hi Ed.

You mention managerial changes may happen closer to July. Is there anything that could speed up this process? For example, if we're targeting managers who are available like Zidane or Flick - could they come in later in the season?

May give them 5-8 PL games to help assess the squad.

Thoughts?

{Ed002's Note - No.}

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04 Mar 2024 18:28:13
Imo it would be a huge mistake to change anything before the seasons end.

05 Mar 2024 08:33:57
No, needs to be a clean break and for the new manager to not be tarnished by being stuck with the negatives of this season. There will be so much turnover in the summer I am not sure they would benefit much from being in earlier.
Just make the change as soon as possible after the season ends.

05 Mar 2024 19:50:19
I can see the positives and negatives for both, now or end of the season…. maybe even maybe a interim in till the summer, if the football gets any worse and don’t win either, there is no way SJR can allow us to drop any further than where we are at, or allow the morale to get any lower, virtually everyone in the game is now questioning ETH, so that’s not a good situation for the club to be in, I will be shocked if ETH not gone before end of the season, if it’s permanent or an interim I have no idea but I think both those choices are more chance the ETH staying. it’s getting real bad now, just take on here, 2 months ago, no one wanted him gone, now it’s just the usual crew who are trying to defend him and if they were honest with themselves they have no idea why!

05 Mar 2024 20:28:34
I'd give him another year with the people coming in upstairs. We've been decimated with injuries anyteam would struggle with the ones we've had. People forget he's brought through 2 of our youth team into guaranteed starters, I don't think they would have had the chances under another manager and we wouldn't be talking an England callup for mainoo, he'd probably have been loaned out. Started trimming some of the fat from the squad aswell.

06 Mar 2024 04:17:20
Why waste another year, what you seen that warrants another year!

04 Mar 2024 01:44:59
Hi @ed002, would you say that potter is the most well placed and favourite to get the United job?

{Ed002's Note - I have answered this.}

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04 Mar 2024 16:18:59
If it is to be potter, it will probably happen sooner rather than later, if Potter is chosen one why wait?, international break would appear to be good time, pointless not making change soon as poss, if the incoming is Potter or someone currently unemployed, give them a chance to work with what’s in situ and the new bounce might also just get us 5th and we can then hope…. Nothing to gain keeping it like this….

04 Mar 2024 17:10:33
There are several good reasons why they would wait.

Change of the financial year will alter when compensation payments are made. Depending on the financial situation it might be better to push those onto the next financial year.

This squad needs a total rebuild and is utterly injury ravaged. It would likely make more sense for the new manager to come in with a clean slate and not have to try and limp this side across the line this season.

While we still don't have all the right people in the right positions at the club. It would likely make more sense to get them in place so they can be part of the process in hiring a new manager.

I think people maybe aren't enthusiastic about the idea of Potter being the next manager and are looking for reasons to cling to as to why it might be someone else.

04 Mar 2024 18:09:51
I don't care at all who they hire. I've no preference really. We can't get the best 2 or 3 coaches in the world so whomever we get i just want to see some sustainable consistent improvement.

04 Mar 2024 19:13:07
Ken, I tend to agree that I'm less invested in who they hire next. For me though that comes from the knowledge that they are trying to build something that is bigger than just the next manager.

Previously the club have seemingly allowed the manager to basically have free reign. In those circumstances I've preferred managers with a track record of developing youth and playing offensive, front foot football. As those are the things I most closely associate with what a Manchester United side should be.

However, if there are going to be people at the club setting the vision and demanding those things from future coaches then I feel who we hire carries less importance as the vision/ plan stays the same.

I suspect we'll go with a younger manager, if I had to pick Alonso would be my top choice (but I highly doubt he'd come to United), with De Zerbi and Ruben Amorim as others that I like the style of.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's Potter though, I've also been told to keep an eye on McKenna whose still very highly thought of by both people already at the club and by some of the people who will reportedly be joining the club soon.

05 Mar 2024 01:38:13
Tbh I don't know much about the guys outside of the epl.
I watched a few BL games and alonso has his team playing a really entertaining style and a very well drilled team. The league is a really poor standard imo but unsettling bayern is no mean feat and its with great football. Never coming to united but I think he will do a great job somewhere.
De zerbi is a good coach I think. Brighton are competing for a European spot again. They but well and sell well as a coach he has kept the results losing 2 of his best players and they play a very attacking game. Very well regarded by his peers.
Amorim seems also very highly regarded but I know little about him or his team. linked with a lot of big jobs.
I'm sure other names will crop up as the months go by.
There is the remote possibility that eth is doing stuff behind the scenes that I and others can't see and that they will give him a year but to be honest I can't see that happening at all.
I can't wait to see who they choose and the way he improves who we have and who will come in to join us and more importantly who leaves.

05 Mar 2024 16:30:02
I wouldn't care much either about who gets the job. I am more interested in building a template and getting a manager who can work to that. Not the random nonsense we see now.

05 Mar 2024 17:49:55
Have to agree Banjoe, hopefully we take the coach route that let's him just take care of coaching and the higher authorities set the plan and we get some joined up thinking and an identity back, problem is finding that coach to work in that template, but I would think it’s already virtually in place, least that way someone else can step in if needed without having to get rid of half the squad each time, and maybe stop people just chucking all sorts of random players names out there because they had half a decent season somewhere then writing million lines on reasons why….

03 Mar 2024 08:26:21
Curious to get the Ed's take onTen Hag as a coach please? I read the list of possible successors with interest, but do you rate him as a coach and think he can work out at Utd under the new structure?

I'm not privvy to behind the scenes info and what he's like, but I think he warrants a season under the new directive personally given his first season was a success.

{Ed002's Note - He is a difficult man to get on with and I expect him to leave in the summer.}

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03 Mar 2024 18:46:30
It’s a Dutch trait…even the Dutch don’t get on with the Dutch, before you all jump on that, just look at virtually every Dutch squad at major tournaments they always implode, if they actually stuck together they could have won things!

Nice guy as Ruud Gullit is, difficult to get on with ask Shearer, Ronald DeBoer same the list goes on…. they somehow tend to over complicate everything, I lived there for 6 years believe me it’s unbelievable how difficult things are made, even their Government can’t get on and walked out!

03 Mar 2024 18:54:50
Nice to see Strangeways moving on from bashing EtH to a bit of casual racism ?‍♂️.

03 Mar 2024 19:09:06
Facts though…. even that’s scrapping the barrel for you, in your woke society.

03 Mar 2024 19:04:41
Thanks Ed. Your insights much appreciated.

03 Mar 2024 20:12:45
Thanks Shappy your insight is also invaluable! ?.

03 Mar 2024 21:36:51
I'm not sure it is casual racism.
I am fortunate to live where there is a very high churn of tourists, from all corners of the world.
I happen to have a small group of friends from Netherlands, Czech, Poland, and I can say that initially, you would think they were talking to you in an abrasive manner, however, that is, from what I have witnessed, the mannerisms of people from particular areas of Europe. I have spoken with these people and they openly say that is just how they talk to people.

Eth is just a straight shooting guy, he is not going to pussy foot around an issue, like it or not, you have to at least respect his origins.

Someone will likely say this is also racist, but that is the world we live in! I'm just trying to give you folk some perspective to calm you down ?.

03 Mar 2024 23:22:19
C'mon, Shaps. The Dutch are notoriously direct. That's not even necessarily a criticism. Nothing to do with casual racism.

04 Mar 2024 08:21:34
Shappy doesn't seem to know what racism means.

04 Mar 2024 10:09:28
That's why Steve McLaren wasn't taken seriously.
It wasn't the ropey accent, he was just way too delicate with his approach.

04 Mar 2024 17:24:12
Nothing wrong with being direct, in fact it's actually more often than not as beneficial trait, certainly in business it is.

Yet that isn't what strangeways is saying.

The Ed has said EtH is a difficult man to get along with. Strangeways is saying that he is a difficult man to get along with because he's Dutch.

Stereotyping an entire nation in a negative frame is racism.

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group.

To say all Dutch people are difficult to get along with us racist. It's also plainly not true, is Edwin Van Der Sar difficult to get along with? I've met and known many Dutch people, and I wouldn't say they are all difficult to get along with at all. One or two can be, but it's not due to their nationality.

Jose Mourinho has been labelled a difficult man to get along with, as has Antonio Conte, Thomas Tuchel Marcelo Bielsa.

They are Portuguese, Italian, German and Argentine respectively.

All have been successful coaches despite being difficult to get along with.

When someone suggests a person is difficult to get along with, and the reply is "of course he is, he's Dutch". Then I'm afraid that is very much casual racism.

You can't generalise a negative trait to an entire group of people.

I'm surprised there are so many adults on here who don't seem to understand that. I was literally in a class of 9 and 10 year olds a few hours ago who had a lesson on this and understood the concept.

04 Mar 2024 22:02:26
Good post Shappy.

My earlier post didn’t get through because it was very direct.

It’s the second time it’s happened on here in as many weeks and it’s not right. I get that emotions are high but let’s not go attacking an entire nation just because you don’t like the manager.

05 Mar 2024 05:27:08
Unbelievable.

06 Mar 2024 09:11:30
Shappy / Wazza,

I totally agree but there is no point even responding to him, he will get himself banned soon for the 300th time and then people can have proper discussions again.

06 Mar 2024 19:20:08
lol oh there he is, thought it would not be long for the full ringmasters compliment to be back with derogatory comments… oh yeah I have seen some very proper discussions occurring on here daily, you must be pulling your hair out now there is more than me who think ETH is not up to the job, tide swing quite a bit eventually but of course your happy at the great football and everyone else is wrong….!

 


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