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06 Feb 2014 10:25:19
Paris St-Germain are plotting a sensational £40m bid for Manchester United star Adnan Januzaj. Thoughts?
1.) The Royal Family go to great lengths to guard the Crown Jewels - We must do the same.
If Ronnie is anything to go by, Januzaj will be worth Mega Money once he's more playing time under his belt.
2.) Same rehashed story from the January window, slow news day? He is under contract, he will be going nowhere.
3.) We shouldn't even be looking to sell him. We're not a selling club. PSG can do one. Crap league anyway
4.) Not a selling club? ronaldo, beckham, van nistelrooy, your a selling club just like everyone else
5.) My thoughts. load of cr$p he is going nowhere.
6.) 200m wouldn't buy his left leg, he's tied down for another 4.5 years so we have the power.
7.) Just pure fiction I say. Besides united only sell when they want players gone or changing team setups and he is part of our set up for a long long time.
They are running out of stuff and now printing any dribble. Saw a story linking us to Tiote and almost spilled my coffee on myself. silly stuff really
8.) Boddey lucky you know your sh1t Ronaldo yes he wanted to go Beckham and Van Nistelrooy both kicked out for not toeing the party line
9.) Best thing to do with Januzaj is let him play for a few years out wide, then in a few years, offer him the messi/bale/ronaldo role if he signs a new contract. That way we keep him tied into the club until 26/27, at which point one final contract extension and he will be a career untied player. If we manage to turn things around in the next five years, this will buy us time to keep a player we can build a new era around.
10.) Boddey - What the other guys said. We only sell when we want too. Ronaldo was the exception. Also it's "you're" :-)
11.) Lets hope that he is serious about playing for England. if he is then we have no worries as he needs to play here for residency rules! Then again the ever changing mind of a footballer means we can't bank on this!
12.) To a club like psg his price tag would be 50+. Best 18 yr old (now 19) in the world in 2013 imo. Psg paid €45 mil for 19 yr old lucas from a rubbish league so obviously adnan is worth more.
Obviously we don't sell, just wanted to make the point how much he is worth given his potential
13.) He is only 19 an u would want 45 million for him get real ffp rules boy he looks good in an average team. give the boy 3 years an if he is still doing it maybe 30
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27 Mar 2014 14:55:25
Redfaith what Martinez has done for Everton if nothing else as you may well say is provide masses of confidence, self belief and the freedom for the players to express themselves all of which you do not have currently under Moyes
1.) A lot of the players at Everton are coming into the prime of their careers with no or very little success so far, they're going to be very hungry for it regardless of what a manager has to say. Moyes' main players have won a lot of trophies, in their older ages and past their prime how much harder is it going to be to motivate them? Regardless of what tactics you try play if the players mentally aren't up for it what chance do you have?
2.) Ozwald you are clearly new to supporting united so may I suggest you look at the career of a player called Ryan Giggs who dispite winning trophies continued to have that hunger for further success, the DNA blueprint install by SAF at the club you now followy
3.) @Baz29
You have completely failed to comprehend my post.
Martinez has indeed brought a different approach. What I am saying is that the big words of confidence, self belief and freedom to express themselves has produced EXACTLY the same results as Moyes did.
To "progress" Everton need to get into the top 4. let's see if you manage to do that with the financial constraints. Everton have maintained their position under Martinez.
The post was intended to those (including many Evertonians) who are failing to acknowledge that Moyes took Everton as far as they can go with their financial constraints and that Martinez being able to replicate Moyes' results (yes, he has only replicated the same results and not progressed as some claim, hard truth) is down to the excellent setup Moyes left at Everton.
Everton fans saying good riddance to Moyes, United fans having a go at Sir Alex, such a fickle fanbase football has.
4.) What you need to understand coming from an Evertonian is after a long time we are now enjoying watching Everton, I'm glad how things have turned out with our club and I wouldn't want Moyes back or to turn back to how it was, yes we are currently in a similar position but the general feeling is pipping arsenal to that 4th spot is well within our grasp especially on current form of both sides, also yes of cause we have financial constraints but Europe would change a lot to what we could go after, that's the bare fact of our situation.
5.) You know things are going ti.s up when we have Everton fans' gloating on a Manchester United forum.
6.) What an excellent post redfaith! just started following this site a few months back and this is the best post I have read so far. I feel moyes should be given time and the backing by the club till december. the reason moyes failed miserably this season is because most of the players are already past their best and are bigger figures than him at the club. don't know why people especially (sad to say this - united fans here) want him sacked. who else is capable of taking over from now? best possible replacement yea obvious klopp. look what is happening to dortmund. yea he lost goetze and now lewandowski but he replaced them with good players for huge amounts as well. yes his team plays stylish attacking football. what about arsenal then? anyways I feel all is in the hands of the owners and the board and we should just back our manager for the moment. peace.
{Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site buddy but will you register your username please, cheers.}
7.) Martinez has players like Phil Jag' wanting the ball to feet for a start!
8.) It seems to be blindingly obvious that Everton are playing far better, with more flair and panache. Reciprocally it seems blindingly obvious that we are playing far worse, with worse results, morale, less panache and bravado, and (in case you missed it) less points.
The world is full of apologists. It is a distasteful and ugly trait.
9.) At Everton under Moyes, it was accepted and reported that his answer was get it wide, stick to a plan and work hard (recognise anything?). Now under Martinez, it’s possession, passing and tactical fluidity. Even several of Moyes old players say Martinez tactics are better.
When it comes to comparing the two, some point at last year’s FA Cup sixth round tie. That was when Martinez’s Wigan beat Everton 3-0, a match where Moyes’ response to being played off his own pitch was to freeze and keep Barkley, his most exciting player, on the bench until the 80th minute.
Hard to see how it was missed when our club made the rather strange decision last summer.
10.) Red Man
Barkelely last year was nowhere near where he is this year and could not get on the pitch even when he went on loan earlier in the season.
Barkeley not playing last year is not a Moyes thing and players tend to suddenly come into their own and some never do.
Wigan just beat city at home recently, who by most accounts will win the league. Does that make Pellegrini incompetent because that is even a bigger shock given the gap between those 2 teams.
Most normal people will accept that is why the game is great, but you are the type who blows where the wind blows and likes to blame and fly banners.
It is like the group that criticised dm for not playing Zaha, he is getting maybe 10 minutes and when they are desperate and have very little to pay for at Cardiff at the moment.
11.) GCU
I found what Sheedy said interesting, did you?
09 Feb 2014 09:26:59
The other day I asked our Ed how long Jagielka had left on his contract due to Vidic/Rio leaving the you lot and how it's a cert Moyes will come sniffing!
Opened the paper this morning to see Coleman is his next target.
Moyes has dismantled a title winning side and will probably end up 7th at best, £200m - Cavani, Koke, Kroos, Draxler, Mangala, IIkay, Gundogan, Shaw, Barkley, Coleman?
I just don't see it myself seeing that all of those players will be playing in Europe next season.
1.) Dortmund have yet to secure a top 4 finish, with Schalke unlikely to do so at this moment in time.
Coleman will not be in Europe and neither will Shaw, but all these players will either be playing for or joining a Cl team. Gundogan is probably the exception since not many top teams would risk buying a player who's been out with a serious injury for a year, unless they're quite desperate, which we are now.
{Ed002's Note - Gundogan is one of three players Real Madrid are looking to buy in the summer.}
2.) Ed002
If Madrid are in for another rMidfielder who is leaving or maybe Available, and where do you think Gundogan will end up :)
{Ed002's Note - If you want to ask about Real Madrid players, try the Real Madrid page.}
3.) Contentious I know, but I would like to see RVP and Nani and some cash being used to secure Vidal, cavanni filling the gap. Ricardo Rodriguez at lb, mangala or benatia at cb and maybe Herrera in as carricks long term replacement.
I would love shaw, but he will be going to Chelsea. Do we need a straight midfield destroyer? Matudi? Carvalho? Not sure.
If Rooney stays I think kagawa needs to go? Swap deal with reuse. Chicharito also needs regular football. I love him, but he needs first team football. Give henriquez and Keane a chance to fill the void.
4.) Well that's never a good sign.
5.) RVP has 2 goals in less that 2 games since his return, he is a clinical finisher 1 that hardly misses when he's has a goalscoring chance, there is noway we should be wanting to show him the exit without him wanting to.
6.) FZZ, I agree that RVP has a frightening goals to game ratio, but he also has a pretty awful injury record (taking his career as a whole) and his age is against him. Our team is desperate for a player like Vidal.
I am suggesting that we sacrifice one quality player for another, but only if we can secure another world class forward.
It is worth bearing in mind if you can get world class midfielders in and a decent defence, you can challenge for the league with average strikers. Look at arsenal and Chelsea.
I would not want giroud, ba or Torres in our team, but I would like their league position.
06 Feb 2014 18:13:25
Baring in mind this is a banter site, just wondering what you guys would consider a disaster this season:-
1. Not making 4th and CL?
2. Not making Europa League?
3. Possibly ending the season 9th?
If any of the above happened do you still think the superstars will go to you in the summer? and if they do what are they coming for - Club or Money?
1.) If the money is right players will come, psg, Monaco, city, Chelsea even the Russian clubs have proved that .
No matter how many times a player at your club kisses the badge if he wasn't getting paid what he wants he wouldn't be there .
I would say that applies to 99% of players
2.) Today of all days should make us all realise that a disappointing few months on the pitch is just that. Disappointing. No more, no less.
What happened on this day 56 years ago in Munich was a disaster.
Like many have already said today, it puts things into perspective.
3.) A disaster IMO is missing out on the Champions League and having to compete in the Europa. The number of games in the Europa would hamper our domestic progress, unless we used it to blood the youngsters, but we learned from last time that we would take it seriously.
4.) Agreed Jred, I don't think finishing outside the top four would stop players coming, but it may take a bit extra in their pay cheque, if that is the case. Personally, I think finishing outside Europa League places would be a disaster, not because I like the EL, just because it would mean we were so far down the table. I would rather finish as high up as possible and forfeit our place in europe, if it wasnt the CL, as there are just far too many games and it could ruin the rest of our season. They should have left the Uefa Cup as it was, but then again, that wasnt making them as much money.
5.) Well said Betty, I was hoping for a quiet day on here today
6.) Jred
The only fly in the ointment is if Chelsea and City for example offer the same or more money AND have CL when we don't. You then have to rely on the player wanting us more than the others and that could be difficult. How attractive is the set up without CL?
I would feel we would have to aim a little lower and hope for top four the next season to become more attractive again.
Top four us very very important no matter what slant people try to put on it.
7.) Red man
What if we make CL and Chelsea or city offer a player more money as they have done in the past?
Imo even if we come 5th as long as we offer the right amount we will still get the top players .
If Vidal becomes available for example he will go to the highest bidder imo.
Why do you think falcao went to Monaco or zlatan to psg.
Do you think United was matas only option or where we the club prepared to pay the most?
We could win the league but won't get the players we want if we don't pay top dollar, we have all ready seen this .
8.) In light of all the comments about paying top dollar gets the best players, when does the FFP salary cap come into effect? Do the eds have a view on how missing out on CL and or EL will impact on our salary budget next season and the season after? What factors dictates the level of salaries we can pay?
{Ed002's Note - There is no point getting in to the finances for reasons that are well known.}
9.) Huggy76
Next week we are reporting quarterly results and will guide on the issue of missing CL as I am sure it will be asked by analyst who cover the club.
Our salaries are not an issue at all with or without cl, when it comes to FFP and if some of the reports are true then some of the wages/bonuses are tied to cl qualification and winning the league for example so a lot of people will share in the upside when things go well and also take some responsibility and the consequences when things go the other way.
What most people are not recognizing is the fact that some of the changes that will come with new players will actually bring our wage bill down given what some of the older guys are being paid and their replacements will not be on those type of wages.
Then you will have the capital outlay that is required for getting new players and that is quite complicated as Ed002 has pointed out as there are many items that needs to be factored in.
Some of it can be amortized over the duration of the contract on straight-line basis and some I would assume is a one time expense that is a charge on the pl and balance sheet for that given quarter/year and then you have the tax deductible items, so in short not really worth the guessing game.
I generally look at a few key items which is top line, Operating cost and some key items ratios, Ebidta.
The key item for me when it comes to buying new players is Ebidta as you need some form of upfront payment in any purchase no matter how you structure the payment terms. I have no idea if we use any form bank finance in player purchase like some clubs do and that would then again significantly change things.
For example there were stuff about the Bale transfer this summer that Real was trying to secure financing from local banks, I am not sure how true the story is.
In short I would not worry one bit about our finances as they are under control and we are in a very different place compared to 2009/2010, which was the real difficult period for the club.
10.) Jred
They would likely go to Chelsea or City who look nailed on to qualify and especially if they offer more money. If we offer "the right amount" we still don't know the impact of no CL, we may have to pay more than the right amount, a major premium and that may not be enough. Yes Falcao went to Monaco but by all accounts it was for a major tax free premium, PSG are in the CL aren't they?
Mata may not have had many options in the January before the World Cup of teams that would pay £37M, also we still had at the time and have a chance although tougher now, of the CL when he joined.
There is a real scramble for the CL because it is where the money is and where players want to play. We would be naive to think it didn't matter and the premium to get them otherwise could be beyond what our owners are willing to pay. Also the players would have to believe it would only be one year out if the CL so our finish to the season could be important. Overall it is up in the air IMO if we don't qualify for the CL.
11.) I think a lot of things matter when players switch clubs. What club they are at compared to coming to United, clubs agreeing, player wanting to change, wages, playing time, position they play, competition for places at the new club, other players, the manager, married or single etc etc.
If you go by what players say, how many times have we heard players say you can not turn down a club like united, unless you are a catalan and obsessed with playing for Barcelona which is more than a football thing.
BTW I don't for one minute believe 95% of the supposed bids we have made on players as reported by the media including the last minute stuff that was being reported in the summer.
According to ed002 who is an expert at these matters he a rarely says we have bid on someone and got turned down. It is more a case of us monitoring players, enquiring but not very often where we actually progress things with a bid.
Today there is story on Herrera with headline that he is staying put but when you read what he has actually said, it's really the only thing he can say when you consider who he plays for, the ethnic thing with that club and how they have vilified other players in the past who have publicly stated they wanted a move.
In real life, Would he move to us? off course he would if we could get the clubs to agree.
12.) Thx for the response GCU. I was coming at it from a slightly diffrent angle. As I understood matters the FFP salary cap meant that you could only grow your salary budget by a predetermined % each season. As such regardless of how much income we generate from commercial deals there is a ceiling budget for wages. If this is indeed the case then surely there is the potential to limit the number of players we can sign in the summer and out ability to pay inflated wages to attract top players if we cannot offer CL football will be adversely affected. I accept with Evra, Vidic, Rio and potentially Giggs, Nani and Anderson off the wage bill that will free up some cash for new players wages, albeit top players will want similar if not higher wages.
This also leads me to believe old Wooody has been quite cute in getting Nani to sign a new deal at higher wages when he was probably always going to sell him. It not only increases Nani's potential resale value as he is tied to a longer contract, but it also increases this years salary budget which in turn means we can pay more next season when we are trying to attract new players and not fall foul of FFP.
13.) Huggy, there is a ruling that says a club can only increase the salary by £4m a season. Not sure if that's what you are talking about?
23 Jan 2014 07:27:58
It makes for a great morning getting up to read the aftermath of your demise, no trophy for Moyes and if mata turns out to be another flop that'll be near on £65m he's spent, I wouldn't trust Moyes to walk my dog but his cluelessness makes for great tv, on the touch line it was like he was watching Poyet shouting out his tactics and then shouting out his own trying to counter it, just like he did at Everton, I'm loving how Manchester United are prolonging the pain by keeping him.
1.) What a muppet, don't you have anything better to do with yourself than constantly come over here and remind us of your man crush/fatal attraction with dm.
2.) I was under the impression Moyes' got Everton into the Champions league? Martinez will never get Everton into the CL.
3.) GCU - "Come on Davey Moyed play like Fergies boys" what a laugh
Baz
4.) Well Sam I think you'll find we're in a better position for it than you, desperate times for you lot
5.) C'mon Baz
It's okay everyone has to come out at some point and the world is a different place today. Just admit it and I for one will think no less of you.
24 Dec 2013 15:25:09
Ok guys, this bitter blue is signing off to get into the festivities, and as it's Panto season I'd just like to say our team is better than yours "oh yes it is"
Baz
1.) Baz, Lukaku, Barry & Delofleu are going to be some big holes to fill when they return back to their clubs. Unless you sell Barkley or Baines or even both, you will not replace their quality. Everton look a decent side, but you will not finish higher than us dear chap.
2.) You will finish 6th or 7th, same points and same place as last year this time and we know how you went after that. Enjoy christmas and celebrate where you are but it will not hold. It only gets tougher now and we ll know who is the toughest team in this league when it comes to run in. 8 points out and climbing. will shave about 3 a month and be there or there a bouts in feb.
Your about £5m short on Baines valuation and as you know with Felaini Everton do not sell cheap, although I very much doubt Martinez will let him go, also why would Everton pay £5m for a player there not interested in? Have you ever thought why you can't offload Anderdon? Our fans would be outraged to pay £5m for someone who is lazy and overweight.
Early signs of a struggle to get players in
What you need to understand coming from an Evertonian is after a long time we are now enjoying watching Everton, I'm glad how things have turned out with our club and I wouldn't want Moyes back or to turn back to how it was, yes we are currently in a similar position but the general feeling is pipping arsenal to that 4th spot is well within our grasp especially on current form of both sides, also yes of cause we have financial constraints but Europe would change a lot to what we could go after, that's the bare fact of our situation.
Well Sam I think you'll find we're in a better position for it than you, desperate times for you lot
GCU - "Come on Davey Moyed play like Fergies boys" what a laugh
Baz
Sydney, if your academy is so great then you would expect one or two to be breaking into the first team, as it stands they just get farmed out