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03 Feb 2014 07:35:12
Now that we have let the dust settle ( 2 transfer windows) it is now time to take stock of where we are.
Things look really bad at the moment.
Team looks dis-jointed and lacking confidence
Too many changes in defence has cost us stability.
We have lost our fear factor.
Reasons for this.aging and sub-standard squad.
Before we think about buying superstars we have to first trim the squad of the weaker/aging players.
Ferdinand. too old and injury prone
Valencia. one trick pony that is not producing consistantly
Cleverly. Just not United standard
Wellbeck. Just not United standard
Evra. like him but maybe time to trade for younger model
Carrick. any slower and he would be going backwards.
Giggs. legend but now qualifies for seniors tour.
We have lost our pace in the team where we used to rip teams apart but by the time Carrick wastes 10 seconds deciding to pass the ball backwards or sidewards opposing teams have set themselves defensively. He for me is the root of the problem. ok we need someone to dictate the pace of the game but not always in reverse.
We have also bought Mata to play out of position in the out of position Kagawa role. make sense.
I still think Moyes can get it right but he has to be like a young Fergie. RUTHLESS
1.) Players like Valencia, Cleverley, Welbeck & Carrick should be squad players. You cannot have a full squad of world-class players therefore you need your squad players. Player that are happy to be squad players. Obviously Rooney & Van Persie will play ahead of Welbeck when they are fit. Mata or Adnan should be playing ahead of Valencia. We should have better central midfielders playing ahead of Cleverley and Carrick, but these players shouldn't be sold, they should just not be first choice.
2.) Good post, sums up the situation very well. I would keep Valencia and Wellbeck as squad players, at least for now.
3.) Syd, Valencia and Carrick are definitely now squad players and Cleverley possibly, but i'm getting less convinced with every game he plays. As he brings nothing to the team, we might as well give another youngster a chance in his squad place. Welbeck though is rubbish, he brings nothing to the team/squad. His control is rubbish, his passing just as bad, he can't shoot or head the ball, when he runs with the ball he never has it under control. He is not good enough to start by a long way and what you need on the bench is a forward who can come on and give you something different when you are struggling. Because he is so poor in front of goal and most other parts of the field, he is of no use to us doing this either. So where in our squad does he fit? In my eyes, he needs to go and let Keane or Henriquez have a go in his squad place.
4.) Surely some players have to go Syd?
I would have;
Giggs - Retire
Ferdinand - Retire
Nani or Valencia - Sell
Buttner - Give away
Cleverly - Sell, if possible!
Hernandez or Wellbeck - Sell
I would keep Evra for one more season and alternate with new, younger left back.
We definitely need;
1, maybe 2 Centre Backs
1 Left Back
2 Def Mid
1 Striker
5.) It's more about what the club will do. But IMO they will allow these players to leave from the senior squad:
Kagawa, Nani, Anderson, Hernandez, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra & Giggs.
I think the club will sign a RB, LB, CBx2, CMx2, RW & striker over the next 18 months.
I think three of them will be what we describe as "Stellar" signings.
6.) Sydney, couldn't disagree with you more!
city's ambition was two have two world class players for every position. they've nearly achieved that and look at them now.
utd were at their most dominant when we were able to replace quality with quality.
we are poor at the moment because the squad players are second rate as well as half the first team.
e.g. now when Rooney and rvp are injured we only have wellbeck and Hernandez. its hardly like replacing Cole and yorke with solksjaer and sheringham is it?
7.) Syd I agree with the outs, even Kagawa as Moyes clearly doesn't want him. I would add Cleverley and Wwlbeck to those though. Neither offer us anything and we could give the youngsters a chance as they couldn't do any less. It is a lot of players to get rid of but Welbeck, Cleverley, Nani, Kagawa, Anderson, Giggs and Hernandez have done nothing this season anyway so we couldn't be any worse off, in my eyes.
8.) Andrew, City do not have two world-class RB's, two world-class LB's and four world-class CB's. They do not have two world-class keepers and they do not have four world-class central midfielders and four world-class wingers. You cannot have a full squad of world-class players. It's impossible.
Brendan, Cleverley and Welbeck will be around for a while simply because they are English homegrown players that are happy to be squad players. The club will want to keep their identity and SAF has said in the past how important it is to keep English players in the club. They shouldn't be first choice, but they are decent squad players.
9.) "Stellar Signings"
Don't you just love them two words.
I wonder how many "Stellar Signings" there will be if we finish 6th / 7th and miss out on Champions League football?
Certain people keep chirping on about all these great signings in the summer. I can't see it if were playing in the Europa League.
10.) Simmo, let's hope footballers and their agents aren't as narrow minded and fickle as you are being. Us falling outside the top four for a season isn't going to stop a top player signing for Manchester United. If MU are willing to pay the asking amount for the players, then why wouldn't they sign? Players sign a five-year deal, I am sure they can see past the first 12 months of that contract. Sure, if they have absolutely no allegiance to any particular club and both clubs are willing to pay what it takes, then it maybe more difficult, but if you get a player who wants to take on the challenge of replacing Scholes, and you pay him, his club and his agent what they want, then why won't it happen?
11.) But Syd surely we can let some of the young English guys like Lingard, the Keanes, Powell etc move up and give them a shot. They will do no worse than Cleverley, Welbeck etc for us and may be much better given a chance. We still keep our identity but with a new generation.
12.) Brendan, Why not Powell, Cleverley, Keanes & Welbeck together? We do not need to sell players for the fun of it, there are enough leaving this summer. The squad isn't an issue, we need to improve the first XI. By improving the first XI we will be making the squad better. Players like Carrick, Cleverley, Valencia etc will be squad players.
05 Dec 2013 09:32:24
Before everyone starts with "we need to sign x, why or z. "
I think we need a big clear out first.
United always had good squad players like O'Shea &Brown for example who always done a job for us when called upon.
Now we have an extended squad made up of basically sub standard players that would struggle to get in many of the top half teams.
Players to go. Welbeck ( a headless chicken)
Carrick ( too slow and too negative)
Anderson ( after 6 years time to accept not up to it )
Young ( can't put 2 good performances together)
Valencia ( one trick pony that has been found out)
Ferdinand ( too many miles on the clock)
Giggs ( legend - but time to hang up those boots)
Cleverley( just not United standard)
Along with those we have Nani, Rafael and possibly Kagawa who need to up there game.
Clear that lot out and we can start building awinning team again.
1.) Didn't carrick just get a new contract? and I thought he was highly rated by the fans?
The current united board or hierarchy or whichever way you want to put it, has invested more time in making commercial deals, rather than player deals.
Also to clear out so many players is just suicide. that's 10-11 players.
will united pay rooney 250k per week or whatever he is looking for? considering he will be in the last year of his contract and like in the case of lewandowski, player holds all the power.
vidic, ferdinand, giggs either leave or retire and need to be replaced.
will united cut their losses on young, anderson?
will kagawa continue to play the no10 role or will he look for a way out?
it gets to silly point next summer, where teams like city and chelsea won't need players but may just bid on players to detract them going to united or to just in simple terms start a auction they have no intention of seeing out.
2.) Bullseye,
Sorry mate but if you think Nani deserves another chance then I am not sure what you are watching. We are struggling massively without Carrick in the middle of the park, but you want to sell him before we sign anybody?
Anderson, Young, Nani, Cleverley, Giggs, Ferdinand I agree with, if we could replace these with 3 top players we would be a force again, the rest of the squad is top quality.
3.) GDS2
Stick Evra in there and make it 4 top players and I agree. We really need a world-class makeover.
03 Nov 2013 00:47:54
Pretty good performance today especially the first half. That's 2 games without Carrick in which we look more like our old selves. Jones had a good game playing the Carrick role and is basically an all round better player. The tempo we played at was a lot better and we were a threat going forward.
For me the simple solution isleave Carrick on the bench permanently!!
1.) Jones is not a CM, he can do a job but CB is his position, when against crafty midfields they will pass around him
2.) Person!
3.) I think the reason we looked better at these two games was because we played Cleverley, not because we benched Carrick.Fellaini and Carrick are just too slow a pairing and didn't work out as good as most of the people on here had expected.
However, I think we should be starting to slowly phase Carrick out of the team, as he won't be able to play so well forever, despite being voted player of the season last year.We should get a fast, talented, mobile and creative midfielder this January and play him alongside Fellaini, who I think will be good for us in the future despite not having a dream start of the season for us.Until then we will need Cleverley as things stand.
4.) Glad that Cleverley is finally being recognised for what he brings to the team too many are swayed by the flair midfield players forgetting we also need the Cleverly type player. I would be first to agree though that there is still areas in his game that need to improve.
I would have to partly disagree with Chris the redman Jones can play DMC which did for Wigan as well as CB which is his best position.
5.) 'Jones is basically an all-round better player (than Carrick)"
One has played a relative handful of games for us, and the other has carried our midfield these last few years.
Comments like this leave me wanting to tear my hair out.
6.) That is one of the most riddiculous statements I've yet to read.
Not the part where Jones is an all round better player than Carrick, because he probably is. He can cover more positions and has more abilities in his Arsenal but he is nowhere near the level of Carrick as a midfielder.
Carrick is our best passer and the only player we have who is able to control a game.
Last season our midfield looked okay, because Cleverley's work rate complemented Carrick's laid back style. But Carrick, to have his best effect, needs a real workhorse next to him, not a buzzing nimble player who makes cute little passes.
He needs a Ramires, not a Cleverley.
Jones is the closest thing we have to a box to box workhorse as a player
Fellaini is not a workhorse, he is a powerhouse. He needs a player exactly like Cleverley next to him to have his best effect. Fellaini is not as mobile as Jones but he does have a better technique, better passing range, and most importantly, better positioning, which would allow cleverley the freedom to drive forward and do those little passes and carry the ball and control possession.
So in my opinion, a midfield of carrick/ Jones or a midfield of Fellaini/ Cleverley would both have an enforcer and a passer, while both would also have a positionally astute Defensive/ Holding midfielder and a more energetic playmaker/ enforcer.
That is unless Fellaini improves his mobility and develops and understanding with Carrick
06 Oct 2013 22:36:51
Just a question. Did Fergie have enough sense to put a buy back clause or first option on Ravel Morrisson? The guy is coming good after all his early problems. Bad enough to lose Pogba but Ravel as well.
06 Oct 2013 22:38:30
Just a suggestion, What does everybody think of playing Valencia at right back and Rafael on the wing? Valencias inability to take players on is frustrating while Rafael like nothing better.
1.) No. What did we buy zaha for in that case? Put him in. He'll be amazing.
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Carrick? How many times did he give the ball away. Tendency to pass the ball when our own players are not expecting it. Can't tackle. How many bone crunching tackles did Jones put in as well as gut busting runs into the opposing half. I still think Carrick is the weak link
Carrick is the main problem at the moment. too slow, caught in possession on numerous occasions. He does not track the opposing runners and more importantly he wouldn't tackle his dinner. Ronnie Whelan ( ex scouser) recently described him as the slowest passer of a ball in premiership and champions league.He kills whatever tempo United have and teams have time to organise defensively against us. Whatever happened to hig tempo we used to play at? . Carrick is the answer
The problem with English football is it has gone stagnant. Individuality and skill is trained out of youngsters as they are forced to play and train within a system. That is why nearly all of the creative and exciting players in the Premier League are from overseas.
At long last someone agrees with me on Carrick. I think he is the weak link in the team and the root of all our problems.He sits too close to the defense and draws teams onto us. More importantly he can't tackle and is poor in the air. I think Jones should play his position
Whats with all this anti Nani stuff. He had a good game tonight. He troubled the defense and offered something different than "one trick Pony" Valencia or Ashley Young. I know he can be frustrating at times but he can be a game winner.Lets get behind him