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10 May 2016 03:07:17
Its late so this post might fall by the way side. This is call to all happy to see lvg stay. As I will state. I want lvg to stay. There was a post earlier about allegri having an average squad and still being sacked.
Look at our squad. So many past their peak, so many new faces and partnerships being formed. Luis constantly saying we need more pace and penetration in attack. Do you honestly think he doesn't see what you see? He will want specific players. This is no where near a finished article. Forget the 200 million. City and Chelsea have spent more than that to establish thier teams at the top. We spent for the future and to stay competative, of course needing better quality added but look on the bright side. You talk about no progression? We have a squad full of new faces that you see are bonding well and developing understandings.
No team in the world sees an overhaul like ours and doesn't dip. It was absolutely forseeablr for me. Lvg is spoken of very highly in terms of technical understanding of the game. To call him a clown Is distasteful. He earned a living at the top of the game. What have you done? I want to speak more of this at a later date but I just wanted to put my cards down and say I'm fine to see lvg stay. Would like to hear from others who think the same or similiar.
1.) 10 May 2016 05:48:32
My view on the situation is this:
The style of play is horrific to watch, why would any flair/ creative player want to play under LVG, we have creative under mata and he gets played on the wing? He constantly tells us that expectations are too high, this is Manchester United not any other team, why would people pay for a season ticket to watch sideways footballs. I wanna see magic moments not players who clearly don't enjoy it anymore. He sold half the team then moans about injuries, Now if LVG gets us in top four and wins the F. A cup then he should retire. Arguably the best manager in the world is begging to join us. Why would woody pass on this? LVG has said it will be his last season, so what will United gain more unhappy fans? this is another big transfer window coming up and LVG can't attract the same players as what Jose could. Also giggs needs to go learn his trade,
2.) 10 May 2016 06:41:58
Have to say, I agree with Marmite. I have seen nothing from watching us since LVG took over that would make me want to keep him.
We got knocked out of the easiest champions league group available, then knocked out of the Europa league by arguably our biggest rivals and the team didn't even look as though they cared. This is instilled by the manager in my view. I'll not even mention the league.
Get rid, the sooner the better.
3.) 10 May 2016 06:47:16
It's simply a case of availability.
LVG even if he stayed would only be staying 1 more year. in 1 more year Mourinho would not be available.
Rational response - Get Mourinho now, thank LVG for his time and work and let him retire to Portugal as planned.
4.) 10 May 2016 07:36:36
Hope we win the cup so the Dutch fossil can finish with winning something in England and then retire . I think the third year contract is an option that we are not going to renew and that Jose is coming in soon after the season ends 😆😆.
5.) 10 May 2016 08:06:56
The real issue for me is that ANY manager in what is known to be his last year will not be allowed to make any really radical forward looking decisions simply because he will not be around to see things through and may well lumber the next incumbent still players who are not wanted on long exorbitant contracts. LVG out is not the unthinking cry of a toxic but simply the pragmatic view on the effectiveness of any manager with a well advertised somewhat distant exit date.
Just look across the city!
6.) 10 May 2016 09:27:45
Every single player in midfield is a support midfielder not a chief, the defence has been largely makeshift and the attack coudnt pick each other out of a line up at the start of the season. Put a spine of quality to this team and you'll get good football. I've watched every game well aware of the football we play.
7.) 10 May 2016 09:37:57
Expectations are too high for the reality of the team we have. Leicester are a perfect example of team spirit and good understanding between the players, Tottenham after years of post bale tinkerings have formed a gelled team, arsenal settled team, city settled team pep diabolical nonwithstanding and plenty of quality. Out team not settled still missing quality. Expectations short term are too high. Long term definitely not. You think the club aren't working on that? Don't be daft.
8.) 10 May 2016 08:56:52
I agree with Robbie. If we keep LVG one more year then what? I assume Pep, Conte, Klopp and Mourinho will all be unavailable, Allegro is supposedly close to signing a new deal. Simeone. well people are concerned about Jose being negative so he hardly fits the united philosophy. Giggs? Totally unproven as a manager. Pochettino? If spurs finish above us again why would he leave? If they finish below us why would we want him?
Mourinho is available, he is desperate for the job, he will do everything in his power to a) beat Pep, b) beat Chelsea c) prove he is the best manager ahead of Pep, Conte, Klopp, Poch, Wenger et al. I don't particularly like his ego but it makes him driven and you need an ego to succeed. Fergie had one, Ronaldo and Messi both have one as did Zidane Ronaldinho Keane etc etc.
9.) 10 May 2016 11:05:31
How are expectations too high? A team that almost got relegated last year won the league whilst spending a fraction of what we spent on Depay. Yes they have team spirit and good understanding that's what Ranieri has done. He played players in their proper positions and made few unforced changes so they could develop an understanding. You don't see vardy playing CM or Kante as their first choice CB.
City are an aging team, Chelsea imploded, arsenal remain inconsistent, Liverpool are in transition. again. We should have been challenging for the title not 4th place. If the first team or squad isn't good enough that's due to LVG's transfers, man management and tactics.
06 Dec 2015 18:46:31
I'm not a fan of heavy possesion football. The games have been boring (not entirely) but maybe more so because of it's incredible stark contrast to what we are used to.
I am suprised though at the lack of support for what I see as obvious. Martial lingard Depay. All young all premiership debutants in a difficult league. He is giving responsibility where most teams woudnt. To me it's more than brave it's a calculated risk.
To keep Rooney in the mix to add schwienstieger persist with a Carrick partnership to make a solid defence, is to say to those three and yes Jessie was always intented to be a part of this season is as saying you go ahead find yourselves we got the back sown up.
Yesterday I saw a game where the team tried. I saw nerves but I saw a team trying to prove us wrong. And when Depay came on I saw connection, some good passes and imagined if those three continue to click we will score goals.
Now I could turn out wrong but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. It takes luck and faith and stubbornness and quality. And we have quality.
New partnerships all over the pitch and yet this isn't factored enough into our critics thinking. And this is my point.
I think the defence has been built not just to protect the back four but could you imagine the pressure on those three if our defence was bad?
Grin, bear it. hope it clicks. With good reason.
Kinda getting tired of the hopeless posts waiting for a new saviour to come and save us.
1.) 06 Dec 2015 19:06:31
Top post Constantine, if there was an award for post of the week this would win it. Good to see a wider perspective.
2.) 06 Dec 2015 19:11:31
Are you out of your mind mate? Let's not talk sense here please. Let's get that Flopp in now. He is the saviour everyone wants. Also can anyone please remind me when did we last lose a game?
3.) 06 Dec 2015 19:15:18
Great post mate. Some very good points made.
4.) 06 Dec 2015 19:38:07
Say the same of your posts Ajh. Good sense. Appreciated. Enjoy evening guys.
5.) 06 Dec 2015 20:24:46
Gd post con mate.
6.) 06 Dec 2015 21:16:31
You should post more often, Constantine. I miss your input on here.
7.) 06 Dec 2015 22:53:15
Aah, Constantine. I haven't seen your posts on here for quite a while. Nice to see an older member get stuck in.
8.) 06 Dec 2015 23:36:10
A very good post.
10 Sep 2015 04:07:04
Rooney is a legend. Is a world class player and is a Manchester United great. Absolutely without hesitation I say that.
Politics of it I don't care. Comparisons to Charlton? Pointless. Calling him Jack of all trades master of none? Watch the chip goal against Portsmouth, or the two against Newcastle. The over head against man city. The pass to van Persie against villa? I just don't get it.
Many goals are penalties. How do you think he took so many? He mastered it. What about the free kicks? Countless assists, countless winning goals. Frequent Match winner. And then think of the world of football, the major players and the fans of foreign leagues or kids playing PlayStation or kick about saying they are Rooney as I did with van basten. I know many think as I
There are many special players, but Rooney has exceptional quality and technical ability as well as being one of the strongest players I have faced with an exceptional work rate - there is nobody like him."
What messi had to say.
top peak form for Ronaldo Van Nistlerooy Robben Rooney Xavi Dunga Roberto Carlos Vidic Maldini Ramos. He is not out of place far from it.
Whatever cynicism or fairly considered negative aspects of his development, personal life clashes with the club ect for me is better just to let go. We have a footballer that like scholes we will not see the like again for a good while. enjoy the outro
1.) 10 Sep 2015 10:23:18
I'm sorry but Rooney is not a good penalty taker, I always feel that he is more likely to miss than score when he steps up to the spot. His free kicks are extremely hit and miss too.
2.) 10 Sep 2015 12:48:30
So you put Rooney in the same world class bracket as Ronaldo, messi, Suarez, aguero, hazard, silva then? Nonsense. Rooney isn't nor ever has been world class I don't care what records he broke, if I played against San Marino, the faroes etc. I'd have scored a few for England too, not that I'd ever play for them being welsh ;)
12 May 2015 16:58:26
I can't at this time really interact on the posts due to long term illness which is thankfully lifting. Hopeful for less of my stand offish posts. but that's for next season.
one post for this season till then i wanted to write. probably not the consensus but i feel its fair.
I think it been a very satisfactory season (yes i really do and no i'm not certified insane) and the key word is considering. I don't think the full scale of change is fully appreciated. or the scale of what would become of us if we did not qualify. We only have to look at liverpool.
Imagine the immense pressure on this squad. An almost entirely young back line, the loss of genuine leaders, players who knew they had to prove themselves to a manager and are not oblivious to fan condemnations. in this day and age social media adds a fierce element. Cleverlys and youngs q and a anyone?
much respect to Ashley Fellaini .ect.
we constantly talk about mostly drab football. At least we got a hint of what they can do right? sunny side up and absolutely fair enough. We played excellent football for a good run of games including chelsea. We even put liverpool in thier place and told tottenham they dreaming and reminded man city who we are. magnificant for me.
We also undervalue our coach . sure he could fail but if it is his last job as manager i know i would make sure it counted. we have been crying out for a more technically astute influence such as right hand man Carlos Q
who we played some immense football in europe 433. i'm genuinely looking forward to the fruition of his plan.
I do not believe under the form of last year we could of continued as a 433. the challenge to the players of adopting new systems i strongly believe brought the best out of the doubted players and that the implementation of the 433 wasnt stumbled upon it was because lvg found the trust in the crop of players to utilise it. and fair enough becuase he had to do something.
one thing i really don't understand is the line ofthought that with that money spent we should be ect yet we have just about questioned the whole squad apart from de gea as being good enough. so i don't understand why you expected more. question the squad and yet say why they haven challenged for the title. that's crazy talk to me.
players hit the ground running when coming to a club mostly always when the team is already settled. What a genuine challenge signing for this club presented. I think mentally this was an incredible season for pressure which Falcao and di Maria have not risen too. and with one recovering from serious injury and the other a proven inconsistant and then thiers Rojo and Blind like em or not they've had thier impressive moments but would you envisige them as a catalyst for a title charge? no.
so what evidence was there to say they should be doing better? nearly every one of the players there was reason to doubt, a first team of bench warmers apart from De gea. it don't make sense to me to have expected more.
and that's the point. This season has been above my expectations. key word considering
have a good off season folks
1.) 12 May 2015 17:45:22
Welcome back Constantine.
:-)
2.) 12 May 2015 17:57:03
Always enjoy reading your posts, mate. Enjoy the summer, and hope you're on your way back to full fitness.
3.) 12 May 2015 18:01:05
Very good post Constantine. You put a very good counter-argument to my constant criticism.
I just suppose getting a taste isn't good enough for me and why did it come so late and why are we seemingly back to square one?
You could watch the first 3 games of the season, then watch the last 3 games and not have any idea which order they came in. That is a fundamental problem, if you ask has there been progress from last season? I suppose a slight yes in that we are harder to break down and keep the ball better, obviously we finished higher in the league. Progress throughout this season? Definite no for me, we look just as pedestrian, uncomfortable, scared as we did first game, the players are like strangers.
Most other clubs with a £150m injection would have better individuals and better performances to show across the board. That money doesn't count the Mata or Fellaini acquisitions which have come since the season we won the league. A lot of money and far too many of our better players contributing very little.
I said it a long time ago, but if LVG was the manager of Everton, Spurs, maybe even Swansea or Stoke he would have gotten them playing the same way and getting very similar results - he is too cautious for what I expect a manager of Man Utd to be like.
I also think the stark decline in our opponents form and the exceptional form of DDG have covered over a lot of the cracks. We were not too far from finishing on a similar points tally to last season, without CL and Cup runs to worry about.
So sub-par for me overall. 3/10. But good post mate and I hope you post more often.
4.) 12 May 2015 18:14:19
Nicely put. Put into perspective we have achieved our goals set out for this season with little fanfare. However there is a clear cohesion taking place and l think we all need to be a little patient that's all.
5.) 12 May 2015 18:17:10
Best wishes pal glad to hear things are looking to be on the up.
I can see both sides of the argument and I think Redfaith did a good balanced post on the subject the other day. I certainly agree that some posters have underestimated the size of the challenge we faced this season. However I also understand and share the worries over our lack of fluidity and chance creation, having had the best part of the season to work on this.
My overriding feeling is that we have achieved our goal this season, without overachieving, and that LvG deserves the chance to take us onto the next level.
6.) 12 May 2015 19:50:49
Herbie/Noucamps nice one. looking good mate was a real worry for a while so i'm very much in a grateful to be alive moment and its incredible the sense for life that gives. Alls good cheers. some of my posts reflected the stress so i'm glad i didn't alienate everyone
Beast much Respect mate. For all your cynicism you will consider the coin has another side. so many times wanted to say hey beast hang on Man haha but your not all incorrect for me. i'd agree with HOney badger it was fair to be concerned . but at a risk of sounding like a cheer leader at a war zone i'm actually enjoying this stage of our current prediciment in the sense i was very young supporter when Sir Alex struggled so its been a challenge to adjust but glad it hasn't weakened my support. Longsightred hit the nail on the head for me. Reasons for concern yes but for sure Reasons to be patient.
Plus nice to see lvg has the biguns,literally apparently, to move on players, have faith in the tryers doesn't pander to big money signings and that leads me to my next point. is that progress for me is we have a manager that has the dressing room. has respect, has players willing to try for him and has already made a genuinely exciting signing. Icould go on but if we are fair MOyes was a bigger worry as much as i like him he was making it very hard for himself.
we are getting the results despite the bad playing. even if our point tally doesn't measure up, which is all relative for me. Beast geninely look forward to flipping that coin with you, see you next season bro will look to give your points a more deserved reply. progress for me 6/10
till next season
7.) 12 May 2015 19:57:10
"My overriding feeling is that we have achieved our goal this season, without overachieving, and that LvG deserves the chance to take us onto the next level."
yep i'd agree with that as for best part of the season it had concerned me but less now since the tottenham game, if this crop doesn't have what it takes to be consistant then you can only adress that in signings i guess. HB thanks for the best wishes
8.) 12 May 2015 20:12:36
All this depends on whether you think we actually have top players in our squad.
The evidence suggests that most of them would not get into our top rivals first XIs (de Gea is an obvious exception). I mean would you pick Rooney or RVP over Aguero or Costa, let along Neymar, Ronaldo, Messi, Muller etc? Then you look at the lack of midfield depth and the inexperience in the back line, and Constantine is right. What would you expect with all these obvious deficiencies?
Since the two big signings, Falcao and ADM, have not made the hoped for impact, 4th place is nothing to sneeze at, as disappointing as it might be compared to our high expectations, the past, and in regard to the lack of style for most of the season.
I have to agree with those who believe LVG has earned another year.
9.) 12 May 2015 21:06:04
Good man Constantine.
18 Aug 2014 22:37:23
banter please eds.
Ajh I'm in agreement. I just wrote a post I gave up on. it was all too much supposed reality on acquiring elite players and ended up looking odds on to do a Liverpool story. (before this temporary situation they find themselves in)
just done a gruelling tour of the state's then Valencia. as Ajh says Wellbeck Persie Rafael, Shaw, Valencia. factor in the heart beat being Herrera settling in blackett Jones and Smalling stepping up therefore new combinations and angles with the formation being presented on the pitch. then the surge of initial exfitment for Fans and players alike. that new factor which was always going to come down from the clouds which certainly did pull us through the tour. and it was nice. five good games one bad and suddenly there's no hope and everyone's useless?
there is longer periods of rest now and no Euro. and I'm sure the tour took its toll. without being overly hyped or delusionally positive. I think this is balanced view.
if we lose next game then ok fair enough. Let's see if Van Gaal has Ferguson's nack for coming back next game.
1.) That was a bit of a ramble, emperor, but I think you were trying to keep some perspective? But, yes, Van Gaal will come good. He has the eye to see what is needed, and the courage to make changes as the season goes.
30 Aug 2017 00:25:24
Lol mort. It's good to have Sydney's synical self back, but to be fair you could argue that hefty pay rise wouldn't be close to what man city would offer.
But I hope your still right. I still like to theorize once your rich, you don't obsess over more money generally. But I could be wrong.
Cleverly will stay, fletcher will stay, Anderson may stay , NanI may stay. Young and bebe may even stay.
If the main eleven function well, there are more variables for squad players to be competative.
They all have the potential to be squad players
01 Apr 2014 19:29:36
Srestha all respects mate. dare I say it. I've actually seen glimpses of better football to come this season than last. pockets of it. all it takes is the confidence. what better than this match to get the andrenalin going?
I'm sure I'm not the only one to see it. And that this season has gone pretty much as expected.
Rafael if he's playing Jones Rooney De Gea Vidic all top Quality players Welbeck was great against Madrid buttner could be a suprise if he playing? Januzai Fellaini Valencia and even Young are capable of better. I keep in mind that Sir Alex built squads buying players with sound principles behind that. whether they work out or not. they are capable. I'm quietly confident.
play well, bit of luck. never know.
cons
I think it's absolutely disgusting talking of one of our players like this. he wears our shirt with pride. I'm embarrassed by supporters like you. I can almost guatentee this. That boy has put more effort into getting where he is than most of you in any aspect of life.
26 Aug 2016 17:57:48
Ed 001 002 no need to post. Apologies for my rant a few months ago. Sometimes I'm a little too convinced I'm doing the right thing. Not going back to regular posting for a while but I like it here.
{Ed041's Note - all good fella
26 Aug 2016 17:54:46
It's worth being concerned about the safety of Turkey as well.
06 Jun 2016 17:04:45
Shappy the irony is, Arsenal type players haven't won nadda for time. For a pass to death to score team Vardy not being Arsenal type is probably exactly what they need.
10 May 2016 11:53:32
Redfaith apologies bro. You had many points and would like to give more to it. Hoping to come back fully soon. Just wanted to lay my thoughts and come back to it. Been a little not to well last few years. Mostly tirednesses is stopping me being active here. Starting to recover. hopefully soon. l. v. g could well be the whole reason for all that is wrong but I'm not so sure.
10 May 2016 11:40:37
Tell me a midfield General who would be easy to get. Or a top quality cb. Or a thirty a season striker. We complain constantly about certain players yet expect them to walk away with the league. Poor man manager? I've seen countless interviews with former players who beg to differ. This is a team for the future that still needs additions. And everyone in the club will know it full well. Di Maria played good at times. But the guys a flake. Don't think depay was bought intended to win us the treble this year. How can you guys not see it? New partnerships are rarely an instant. The injuries in defence have been crazy. Any team would struggle. Bad planning is your view. Any project is constant failing an adjustments, till the ingredients sit right. Ranieri inherited pearsons team, Tottenham took a while to settle down after bale and Southampton though they lost good players, still had the frame work that just need to be added to. Which is exactly my point. We are in the stages to building that framework to be added too. No argument is going to make me think otherwise.