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Is the Appointment of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a Masterstroke by Manchester United?

06 Jan 2019 18:33:43
{Ed's Note - DLIB has posted a new article entitled, Is the Appointment of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer a Masterstroke by Manchester United?

DLIB

1.) 06 Jan 2019 22:21:13
Great post DLIB. 👍.


2.) 06 Jan 2019 23:46:51
Top post DLIB.


3.) 06 Jan 2019 23:54:05
Good post DLIB, the real test will be against Spurs at the weekend.


4.) 07 Jan 2019 00:35:31
Good post DLIB.

Perhaps the coach and director of football will fit Manchester united well. Certainly feels like the club, and it's culture is now front and centre. Before it was LVG and Mourinho. This may be the right way to move beyond the SAF years until a time a truely world class manager either develops or is available to get.


5.) 07 Jan 2019 00:44:49
Well said DLIB.


6.) 07 Jan 2019 02:05:53
Great post DLIB but I wouldn't give Woodward the credit for forseeing what has transpired. Infact, I think we have completely backed ourselves into a corner. There isn't a United fan out there who wouldn't want Ole to take over and be successful. But with him starting off so well, it has actually been counterproductive for our immediate future.

I'd imagine Woodwards plan was, sack Jose, bring in an interim manager, get the feel good factor back at OT and save money in January by not purchasing any players. Gives him a couple of months to go after the manager he wants.

But history will tell us that Woodward couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery. Everything that has come out of united since Joses sacking has been the wrong way of doing things.

Naming a manager in a job as the interim manager for 6 months was wrong.

Telling Ole he has an input in incoming January transfers is daft, considering he might not be here come June.

The main man Woodward wants is obviously Pochettino. It's clearly a manager that's only obtainable in the summer. Ole, Blanc, Zidane are available now. Pochettino isn't. Woodwards plan has already backfired on him. Ole has a 100% record. Got the best out of some of our star players and has brought life back to fans.

Les Reed was on a programme a few weeks ago with Tim sherwood talking about how Spurs got Pochettino to leave Southampton. They recruited Southamptons recruitment manager Paul Mitchell and Poch said he would only leave at the end of the season but Mitchell was there to start the transition.

My point being that Spurs knew who their manager was going to be and could start planning transfer's and what not. Right now you can't rule out Ole getting the gig full time. Pochettino isn't going to commit to United without knowing that Ole won't get the job.

Woodward has no control over who our next manager is and that shouldn't happen. It is at the complete mercy of how OGS performs.

When most teams are already planning transfer's for next summer, we're stuck snookered behind the black because Woodward has ballsed this up royally. But on the bright side, it's at win win. Ole stays because he's done a great job and we have a club legend in charge. Or he just falls short and we have potentially a world class manager in Pochettino to take us forward (and then Ole takes over Spurs and wins the league) .


7.) 06 Jan 2019 21:24:13
Good piece DLIB, I think out of the 4 managers we had post SAF, Ole has been the best, not because of style of play, but because he gets the club, the others didn't and no matter if he does a good job (wins) or not he will still be better than the other 3 to me.


8.) 07 Jan 2019 03:51:45
Its a good post DLIB and heart doed rule over head. I was on the "support/ back the manager" podition throughout, both with LvG and Jose and believe me i am backing the current incumbent as well but i do think that its only a feel good factor right now that everyone is cherishing. Ole really hasn't done anything right now. We wete good in the first 3 games, then against Newcastle we were "so-so" because a certain Frenchman had a poor game and we were pathetic against a championship side and were outplayed at our own home. The key to it has been Paul Pogba. He fell out with Jose and it was downhill for the manager ever since. My point here is that anyone woukd have brought this feel good factor after Jose, its not really Ole's doing. He might still be a shrewd signing but calling him the saviour after 2 weeks is not just premature, its downright stupid. Just my 2 cents.


9.) 07 Jan 2019 06:57:22
I am with United Addict. I find it hard to believe the level of sentimentality amongst our support. Perhaps Munich makes us all more emotionally bought in. It feels like SAF has control of the club at a time we need to look forward not back. For me we should have a plan in place, be working now towards it, know who we want and aim for it. If the board are deflected by emotion or are uncertain or become split, and are not 100% professional we could make the wrong decision. SAF will like Ole, but he liked Moyes, let’s remember that, the values of the 80’s are not necessarily going to work as we approach 2020.

We have had three appointments gone wrong, another will put the club back to the 70’s. People are smiling now but we still have a bunch of players choosing when they want to play and if you watched the programme last night on SAF you will know that is unacceptable to him. I just doubt Ole is the right man for such a huge task, it’s my opinion and each time the club has made a change recently, it wasn’t the one I wanted and it hasn’t gone well. I am concerned at whether we have a robust enough decision making process.


10.) 07 Jan 2019 10:05:48
I too am guilty of sentimentality and would love Ole to win every game from now on to the end of the season and become our new messiah but on reflection i feel we are in a honeymoon period at the minute. After a while he will settle on a team and the smiles and positivity will be tested. Substitutes will complain and so on. So I hope he has a new way of dealing with these new age footballers where jose, LVG hadnt. Having looked at the games so far the old frailties still exist but in fairness this new mindset papers over these cracks and I love it - however long it lasts. There are challenges but a bright outcome is easier to see now. So far Ole has fulfilled his briefing well and many could learn from his approach. Manchester United have so many needs that asking Ole too wave a wand is unfair on him and very unrealistic. I suspect we will lose games and it is then that we will see that this stopgap is what it is. An experienced squad builder/ transfer identifier/ tactician/ player liaison, is above Ole's skill set. i'd be overjoyed if proven wrong and fingers crossed for the guy. he's a breath of fresh air but i feel the "big decision makers" for want of a better term should remain focused on Pochetino. Ole is still very young and a successful stint may see him back again in years to come. Other clubs are surely watching him as we speak. Good man Ole and good luck.


11.) 07 Jan 2019 10:20:20
i agree with United Addict and Red Man. The reason for me that we are so poor in decision making is because we still have Bobby Charlton and SAF making decisions in the board. Its sentiment that is ruling the board rather than football/ business. These 2 are legends of United but I believe its time to let go of them from decision making. I know there are people who will not like this post and will back SAF and Charlton still but i also know that these are the same people who said Jose was a dinosaur. If Jose was that, SAF and Charlton would be?
I want to use a Cricket example over here where tough decisions were made in Indian team where absolute legends like Ganguly, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid were let go and a new structure put in place and the results are for everyone to see.


12.) 07 Jan 2019 12:14:33
We have time.
I have no objection if OGS gets the job if he continues in the same vein as he has started.
If we win a cup and finish top 4 with this squad then it bodes well for him to take the job long term.

But he should only get the job permanently if he delivers outstanding results this season imo.

The club sh poo uld prepare for both eventualities.
1 giving ogs the job
2 continue to search for a manager in case ogs does not reach yhe heights required.

Poch is 1 candidate potentially. There are many others.

Personally i'm not too concerned with next season just yet as a supporter. We have many battles ahead of us this year to secure top 4. To tie down a couple of key players and even more importantly sell the underperforming squad players that have failed us time and again.


13.) 07 Jan 2019 12:28:02
Ole is definitely as of right now just getting the players playing to a baseline standard in a more fluid attacking system which suits the majority of our squad down to the ground. We're yet to see whether he has what it takes to elevate the players to their maximum potential. Some naive decisions against Newcastle perhaps hint at the answer no he doesn't, but perhaps he was forced in to them by the busy festive schedule.

However most importantly, for the situation we currently find ourselves in he may just be the best out there who was available. Every word that comes out of his mouth is in line with what we want to here. The reconnection between the fans and the club has been immense and he's providing the perfect exterior image for the club while issues behind the scenes get sorted.

Suddenly the director of football role at the club looks like an enticing one and we're slowly becoming the Manchester United that no manager or player would turn down.


14.) 07 Jan 2019 13:23:12
For flip sake, can we not just enjoy some decent football again, and a team and manager with smiles on their faces, after the dark days of the last few seasons?

Enjoy it for what it is, a welcome short term relief, rather than accusing people of being sentimental fools.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree noucamp..


15.) 07 Jan 2019 16:43:30
I agree Noucamp99,

I don’t think it’s sentimental at all. He is a Utd man. He is doing as good if not a better job than the last three managers we’ve had. And I think he deserves all our support. Nothing would make me happier than to see one of our own, one that understands fully what Man Utd is, succeed in the job. He might be inexperienced but he has Phelan beside him, by all accounts a good coach.

What is to say he doesn’t grow into the job like Zidane and Pep? I know there is a very good possibility that he won’t but he is making a very good job of it so far. At least let’s give one of our own the benefit of the doubt. Knives him the chance to succeed, Instead of writing him off in spite of a perfect record. There are no guarantees. There is no guarantee that Poch will be successful either, or anyone else for that matter.

Find a good DOF and build from there. If ole is good enough he will prove it. Until then he has my backing 100%.


16.) 07 Jan 2019 17:13:19
Agree noucamp.


17.) 07 Jan 2019 21:27:32
Yes Noucamp, I would like to enjoy the football without the sentimental calls to appoint Ole on a permanent basis on a nearly daily basis. If only we could all just relax and Que sera sera.


18.) 07 Jan 2019 23:17:45
All I've seen is people getting excited about watching Utd again. If that makes people sentimental, then lump me in there, too. I've only seen people on here state the rather obvious point, that should Olé be a resounding success before the end of the season, then he deserves to be at least considered. Stop being so over-dramatic.


 

 

01 Jan 2019 20:43:04
Good evening guys, a lot of people are suggesting the Spurs game is a useful barometer to assess Ole and judge our recent improvement but I think tomorrow's game is a more useful yardstick. I hope the players don't fall into the same trap as some of our supporters thinking we only have to turn up to win tomorrow night. This kind of attitude has blighted our season and saw Mourinho transform from the Special One into the Demonic One. This kind of Jekyll and Hyde attitude drove him to distraction with suggestions some of our players were more interested in haircuts and Istagram posts than rolling up their sleeves and scarifying themselves for points.

Make no mistake Spurs are a very good team. Even the best sides can get turned over at Wembley and on their day Spurs are up there with the very best. A win won't mean anything unless it's accompanied with a run of results against the lower placed teams and a defeat won't be the end of the world if we continue to win the games we should. I'm looking for progress in the Spurs game. Can we go there and play well? Can we keep the ball? Can we create chances? Can we be organised and disciplined defensively and cut out the silly unnecessary mistakes?

Newcastle is perhaps a better game to judge our current situation. It's a game we are expected to win but they will provide a tricky opponent. The crowd will make it a charged and hostile atmosphere. Rafa has them well organised and they have experienced a mini resurgence of late. In Rondon they have an inform striker capable of bullying and unsettling our defence. I expect a battle tomorrow night. We will have to match their work rate and endeavour and earn the right to play. We have struggled in similar away games where the attitude of some of our players has been called into question. Tomorrow is a serious examination and will tell us a lot about the mentality and attitude of our team. If we see a professional, hardworking display, where everybody roles their sleeves up and fights for one another then I think we're entitled to think we've turned a corner irrespective of the Spurs result. If we see another flakey, indisciplined performance with players only interested in attacking and showcasing their own individual talent then any talk of a revival will evaporate no sooner than it materialised.

Ole can only do so much in holding those grey skies at bay. The players must show they have the personality to back up their talent and show us all they have what it takes to keep on winning.

DLIB

1.) 02 Jan 2019 00:23:00
Just saw a post elsewhere that said all of the top 6 teams have gone W3 L0 against Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournmoufh. So we are matching them but no more as yet.

We have done what needs to be done, beat the lower teams comfortably. That puts us in a position to challenge for the top four and above.
I agree Newcastle will be an interesting game. I am looking forward to the challenge though. Whereas previously I would have viewed this fixture as a possible landmine.


 

 

31 Dec 2018 21:50:03
Good afternoon everyone, I hope you've all had a great Christmas. So three games in what can we gleam from Ole's mini revolution?!

For me the biggest change has been in mentality. At last we now play on the front foot with courage and bravery. For too long under three different managers we had resorted to defensive, passive, cautious football and played with a mentality of containing the opposition rather than blowing them away; Of not losing and
cautiousness rather than taking risks and trying to win. LVG and Mourinho became obsessed by control. Too often they would let games dangerously drift towards full time precariously balanced at 0-0. Mourinho preferred to sit deep in a passive, low defensive block and was content with his team not conceding chances hoping a moment of quality from one of his attackers would win the game. LVG was similarly happy when not much was happening but he preferred possession to measure his element of control on the game. Neither were comfortable with flowing end to end football which would leave them squirming in their seat. For men of such experience it always astonished me that the only way to control a game of football was via the scoreboard and to start games so slowly and let them drift always seemed like a recipe for disaster to me. We were certainly not used to this type of football and I think it sent a nervousness and apprehension throughout the stands.

Ole certainly knows the Club and he's been able to quickly re establish the style and values we've become accustomed. We now play with more width and pace. We play quicker with more forward passes. We get players flooding forwards into the box. The fear has seemingly evaporated overnight and been replaced with a more cavalier spirit. Yes games against Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth hardly represent the elite of English football but perhaps that's the point. Ole has demonstrated that these teams are not to be feared. We have better players and these teams can be blown away if we simply match their endeavour, put them under pressure and attack.

Don't get me wrong I'm not getting carried away and we'll need more than spirit and a caviller attitude to compete with the likes of City, Liverpool and Spurs but we've suddenly become a more dangerous opponent. We're prepared to press harder, commit more men forward and with risk comes reward.

Man Utd have never suited the role of underdog, certainly not in domestic football. Our cautiousness has given other teams a chance. They have been able to play us uninhibited and without fear. In only three games Ole has reversed that. I don't expect us to finish in the top 4, I think we'll struggle against the better teams but for the first time in a long time we have our identity back and that's something to celebrate and build on. Happy New Year everybody.

DLIB

1.) 31 Dec 2018 22:34:48
Spot on pal.


2.) 31 Dec 2018 23:23:48
Good post and totally agree with the mentality bit.


3.) 01 Jan 2019 00:18:18
Great post DLIB. I think we'll be top 4 by the end of the season. Only Liverpol and City stand out for me. And city are having a wobble at the moment. Just happy mybpositivity is back!

Happy new year posters and Ed's.


4.) 01 Jan 2019 00:25:17
Well said DLIB
It is a significant improvement if it were only regaining our identity.
The three comfortable wins are a bonus.
The EPL is the most comparative league in football, there are no easy wins. That said we do expect to beat Cardiff, Huddersfield and Bournemouth.
It should build confidence to face the next big game against Spurs.
The aim in sacking Jose was to turn things around and in that respect it couldn’t have gone better.
We have our identity back, can we show our character now against the teams (currently) above us? i'm looking forward to that now at least.


5.) 01 Jan 2019 03:23:04
I so knew this was a DLIB post 😁.


6.) 01 Jan 2019 10:04:14
Top post as always DLIB. Happy new year to all on this site. I can’t wait to see what is in store for united for 2019. God it’s great to be itching to watch united play football again.


 

 

31 Dec 2018 17:27:12
Hi Ed's, anything wrong with my last post? Wishing you all a very Happy and prosperous New Year!

DLIB

{Ed0333's Note - what post mate?


1.) 31 Dec 2018 17:34:46
Maybe I didn't send it must be losing my mind I suppose it is that time of year sorry.


2.) 31 Dec 2018 17:36:27
They couldn't fit in dlib😂😂😊😊.


3.) 31 Dec 2018 17:54:03
I think your right Ken everybody's had enough for one year 🤦‍♂️ One of the poor Ed's is probably still reviewing it 😂.


4.) 31 Dec 2018 19:21:00
Keep them coming mate i agree with lots of your points. Even the ones i don't are well debated.


5.) 31 Dec 2018 19:49:13
Thanks Ken, all the best mate!


 

 

Mediocrity and apathy now permeate Manchester United like a cancer

25 Nov 2018 10:25:48
{Ed's Note - DLIB has posted a new article entitled, Mediocrity and apathy now permeate Manchester United like a cancer

DLIB

1.) 25 Nov 2018 11:15:34
Great summation of the situation we are in. Obviously some of us have been saying this for some time and the fact that so many fans seem to be content with the job Jose is doing speaks volumes for the point you were making about expectations.

We need wholesale changes and it starts with the manager. Let's get back to enjoying being Utd fans, not going to happen for most of us with the negative football on offer and a team full of misery.


2.) 25 Nov 2018 11:48:58
Thanks Beast it was a bit of a rant to be honest, possibly an overreaction to another languid performance I wasn't sure it would even get posted!

It wasn't really intended as an anti Jose post more about a perceived malaise around our Club. When you stop striving to be the best, accept mediocrity and accept that finishing in the top 4 represents success this attitude permeates the Club and rewards the players for failure. It gives a licence for the average and mercenaries to come to Old Trafford and coast along knowing that they will be paid handsomely and rewarded not for winning but for simply securing a 4th place finish.

As a business It makes financial sense I get that. It keeps the Club marketable and secures revenue and sponsorship, but from a fans perspective it is largely irrelevant. We should never be content or celebrate anything less than winning. Finishing in the top 4 means nothing. So we get to enter another competition the following season that in reality we have no chance of winning merely making up the numbers so the Club can remain profitable.

It's not just the structure of the Club that needs to change but the whole attitude to competition. We want to win not make up the numbers. When we start accepting that 4th place represents success and we allow the Club to drift without a commitment to sporting excellence we are no longer a football Club merely an irrelevant money making brand or franchise operating without soul or purpose.


3.) 25 Nov 2018 11:59:52
I didn’t like Jose when he was with Chelski but when he became our manager I supported him. We have been pretty ok initially but we are going backwards lately for whatever reasons. Be it The board’s fault, Woody’s fault, manager’s fault or players’ fault I think it is not found us good. I hate it even more especially when we are being compared to the scousers.
I believe it is not productive calling for the manager’s head now but if we really decides to do something, I’ve said it before, I’d try out Carrick for the rest of the season and then see if he is good enough to get the morale and mojo back into the team afterall he has got good rapport with the players. We can never know until we try out right? If anyone is worried then get Nicky to stand in working with Carrick.
It’ll save us money appointing manager midway and beside most managers may not want to move. We can take our time to tee up the new manager if needed. Who knows maybe Neville or Giggs might be keen to come back. Else we can start working on the likes of Poch or whoever.
As I watch the team don’t seem to want to play for Jose. It’s sad and these players ought to be kicked in their backside but we start with unfortunately the manager.
As I said I don’t believe it’s entirely Jose’s fault and it’s a team effort. If we should change manager then we better make sure we get behind the next one and ensure future players’ ego do not grow. We need to get back to the “we are a team” mentality. If once we change manager then we need to start rebuilding the team - from organization, right mentality and players. It may take 2-3 years before we get back to the top but hey I’m fine with that. Hopefully I get to see us become the PL champion again before I’m gone from this earth.
In the meantime I’ll still support the manager and the team even though it’s hard to watch with swearing sometimes 🤣. But afterall its just football and there are more important and urgent things in this world that needs our attention and prayers.
God bless you all.


4.) 25 Nov 2018 12:18:56
Look at the cash we have spent, and people say the club isn't ambitious, doesn't want success.

You would off though a team with cm options of Fred, matic and pogba and options up top of martial rash Sanchez lukaku would be looking to win things .

Did we spend a world record fee on pogba to finish top 4
Or make Sanchez the highest paid player in the league to finish top 4 .
Appoint Jose with remit of 4th .
We have made a bad choice with Jose, but how many people thought he would be a success at the time?
We tried for pep but couldn't get him if we had off we wouldn't be having this convo.

1st is the target 4th is the bare minimum to keep your job .


5.) 25 Nov 2018 12:28:07
I’ve never been a Jose fan but I think you are overreacting somewhat. We finished runners up last year, something has changed this year that has caused the current malaise. I don’t thInk it’s a lack of ambition, we have spent an awful lot of money but it appears not spent it very wisely. I don’t think we are heading for an abyss, nor are we all doomed, we are having a tough time right now and some tough decisions will have to be taken.

Some players do not seem happy, others are not playing to anything like their potential so something needs to change. Our recruitment has been slap happy, Pogba is a distraction and the signing of Sanchez made no sense whatsoever. I fully accept we need a player overhaul but I still believe a number of other Managers would have us much further up the table.


6.) 25 Nov 2018 12:30:32
It's very clear that there are serious issues higher up at our club, the board don't have a clear direction, a clear vision or at least they don't have one they share with the fans.

We talk about the lowering of our standards and its clear to see. What doesn't help, in fact it hugely damages us, is when our manager talks down our side. When Moyes said we should aspire to be like City he was slated for it, and rightly so. So when our current manager says things like we were always targeting second place in our UCL group. Or that the target is top four, then he should rightly be lambasted. How can he be asking his players to perform when he sets the bar too low? The fact of the matter is he was just defecting, stating the club isn't good enough to avoid the question of whether he is good enough.

The previous managerial appointments don't seem to follow a pattern or an idea, which suggests the person hiring doesn't have a clear understanding of what kind of managers different manager are, or has a clear idea of what a Manchester United manager should be.

However, that is a very different issue than how the team is playing. Both need to be sorted out, and soon.

Now for all fans top four isn't seen as good enough. That being said a failure to achieve top four this season will put huge pressure to achieve it next season. Especially when you factor in the financial aspects of not achieving UCL qualification.
There is also a secondary aspect of attracting the right level of players if we aren't in the UCL next season as well as retaining current players such as De Gea.

So the situation is we have a manager who for whatever reason is underachieving, he isn't getting the most out of his players and he doesn't look like he can turn it around without a mass clear out and a huge recruitment drive. None of which are realistically possible before we find out if we have UCL qualification for next season.

So a classic stick or twist.

Do we gamble of Mourinho turning it around and achieving a top four finish, if he fails we will suffer the consequences.

Or do we gamble and sack him and hope whoever replaces him is able to get more out of our current players than he is and that enables us to finish in the top four.

Both seem a dangerous game to play, and we should be wondering how has the club got itself into this situation? Well that brings us back to the first problem with the club and those who currently run it.

We have an easy run between now and Christmas, Palace was supposed to be the start of that. If we fall further behind the top four between now and Christmas then that gamble might start to seem like less of a gamble.

{Ed002's Note - Which board are you talking about? Who in particular? Stirring everything up from an ill informed position will do no good.}


7.) 25 Nov 2018 12:39:50
Matic is not as good as he once was and Pogba is just Pogba. I would get rid of him at the earliest.


8.) 25 Nov 2018 12:45:31
A decent manager who could get these lot playing well and things would look very different.


9.) 25 Nov 2018 12:46:23
Jred - I'm not saying I'm right pal it's just my perception of our Club. I honestly believe we lack ambition. Style aside Jose did a decent job last season and we finished 2nd. This is not success however and the chasm between us and the Champions was huge. We needed a lot more than just Fred and an unknown teenage right back to bridge that gap. We also saw the return of the the "no value in the market" rubbish which so blighted SAF's last few years in charge. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but it's my assertion that the Club were content with our performance last season and didn't want to invest the money required to help us bridge that gap. I honestly believe they lack ambition. Of course they'd like to win but are they really committed and determined to make this happen. I have my doubts. I understand this make me sound like a paranoid idiot but I can't understand why we didn't build on two relatively successful seasons under Jose and show more of a determination to topple City. I think we're paying for that lack of ambition and in the long term it will probably end up costing them a lot more to repair the damage. I say back the manager (within reason obviously), aspire to be the best and if things don't work out then act decisively. That way there can be no excuses.


10.) 25 Nov 2018 12:58:50
Dlib
The gap between city and everyone is massive this is an amazing city team lead by a genius of a manager.

It's maybe not as easy to just go out and buy top players as you think .
Ed has told us the club tried and are very ready to spend cash .

We were sat in second last season when we got Sanchez before city and made him the highest paid player in the epl .
Strange if the target was only 4th.


11.) 25 Nov 2018 13:15:42
AJH - I accept that pal I do have a tendency to write emotional posts which can lack balance and can come across as paranoia.

Maybe if we'd have appointed Pep the board argument would probably be irrelevant. Having said that we saw in his first season that even the great Pep needs significant backing and I suppose we just have no idea what he could achieve with our Club. I've always maintained that if Mourinho couldn't bring success then we are in big trouble but maybe I was wrong and he is a dinosaur like others have suggested? In reality it's probably a combination of problems that are proving really difficult to solve and requires a far greater mind than mine. Good debate thanks to everyone for sharing your views!


12.) 25 Nov 2018 14:07:02
Ed002, The honest answer is I don't know. Having not met them, or being privy to all they do it's hard to have an informed opinion.

I suppose I feel the board aren't doing a great job from smaller little snippets of information and not a small amount of (un) educted guess work.

From an outside perspective the club seems rudderless, at least in a footballing sense. There seems a clear agenda to maximise the profit making capabilities of the club, yet there seems no clear identity about the clubs footballing image. Information from higher up is nonexistent, although I think it's important not to have too many people getting involved in the football of the club, especially if that isn't their area of expertise. I do think it's good for the fans to have a connection with the people running the club and that there can be some unity in what the club is aiming for.

There have been hints that not everyone at board level was happy with the appointment of Mourinho, which suggests a lack of unity and possibly support for the manager. It might also suggest that there isn't one clear defined vision of the club, and different board members view the club differently.

Mostly I suppose many people blame the current malaise the club finds itself in on more than the manager. They feel that after three bad appointments who is accountable for that and what was the thinking behind those three appointments?

Is it just a case of bad appointments or is there something not right in the process of hiring these appointments.

The longer the club struggles and keeps hiring managers who are unable to get the club challenging the more people will question who is hiring these managers and under what remit?

{Ed002's Note - Which board are you referring to?}


13.) 25 Nov 2018 14:19:28
Ed002, the board at Manchester United.

{Ed002's Note - As I was saying, perhaps you would want to stay clear of things you don’t understand. It is typical for football supporters to blame people they don’t know, and typical of Manchester United supporters not to understand the structure of the club. The constant moaning and people typing the same stuff over and over is tiresome and making the Manchester United pages unusable.}


14.) 25 Nov 2018 14:57:32
What is your opinion on United's situation ed? You are very on the money with your assessments and it would be great to hear your opinion. Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Allegri should be in his second season know so the Toxics got what they deserved. However, over-reacting to a simple draw doesn't help anyone and the site is becoming unusable with people wrecking every thread that they can spouting the same ill informed nonsense. There is never any mention of advisors whilst all and sundry are blamed. Players come and go, MU blocked DDG leaving before so he will be far from happy. Pogba has been done to death. The expectations on Martial are too high for the ridiculous money pad. Inbrahimovic caused issues and was a mistake. There remain those who don't trust the coach and there was a lack of support


15.) 25 Nov 2018 15:03:48
That's cool Ed002. At least we know its all down to Mourinho now. lol.


16.) 25 Nov 2018 15:16:53
Correction - Moyes should be entering his 5th/ 6th season - I forget which because it's been mind numbingly boring since he was in charge. The whole fiasco started with hiring him on a 6 year deal.

That was the plan!


17.) 25 Nov 2018 16:12:37
As pointed out yesterday, Moyes after 13 games had more points, more goals scored and less conceded than we currently do. With arguably a weaker side, at least on paper.


18.) 25 Nov 2018 16:40:56
Not an excuse for Jose Shappy but the Moyes team was better than the current one, champions the season before and all of them actually looked like they wanted to play for the club.


19.) 25 Nov 2018 18:17:49
Oh come on. Every man and his dog on here was saying what an awful state Fergie had left the team in. RVP was the difference that year, and an amazing manager. I've always maintained Fergie's biggest achievement, was eeking out one last title from such a relatively ordinary team. Could you imagine what he could have done with players of the quality of Pogba, Sanchez and Mata, as well as the exciting young talent we have now in our squad?


20.) 25 Nov 2018 19:02:32
Scholes, it's arguable either way to be honest. On one side the team were champions, and supposedly all of them wanted to be there. Although RvP has said he might not had joined if he knew Sir Alex would retire after one season. So that might suggest at least one player wasn't completely happy at the start of that season. Its probably fair to say many players were probably concerned as to how the season might pan out after Sir Alex retired.

On the other hand we had some terrible players and many of our best players were well into their 30's. Practically our entire defence was past their best, Rio, Vidic and Evra. Scholes retired for a second time before that season started and he was probably our best midfielder between January and June in his final season. Maybe only Carrick on a similar level. RvP has a great season the year before firing us to the title, yet he wasn't completely happy going into that season, plus injuries started to effect him again that season. then players like Anderson and Nani who had failed to live up to expectations, Rafael and Fabio, Kagawa, Cleverley, Evans, Zaha, Powell, Buttner, Micheal Keane and Welbeck.

That was on paper and in actuality probably our weakest side to win the league.


21.) 25 Nov 2018 15:42:40
Ed002 it's all well and good pointing out we should have Allegri on season 2 but that ship has sailed and the direction of the club seems to be lost. I and I think everyone here is more concerned with the new plan. Is there one? It doesn't seem like it.

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure there needs to be right now. I appreciate the club drew a game.}


22.) 25 Nov 2018 16:03:08
We see what you're saying Ed002 but these draws and losses are becoming a regular occurence now, fair enough if it's not happening too much but when it's happening this often there's bound to be a backlash from the fans.

{Ed002's Note - If someone new came in and after a few weeks they were wining, drawing and losing would you want someone else - are your expectations reasonable. Where did the club end up last season?}


23.) 25 Nov 2018 18:36:24
Ed 002. As you have repeatedly said Allegri was the manager the club had in mind a few years back to take the club forward.

The Owners and Board must be concerned at the results and, contrary to the belief of some posters, are not all idiots. They will see and hear the discontent from the fans and also know the damage it will do to the clubs share price if we are consistently out of the trophies. Would you know if they have a manager in mind to succeed Jose if things do not work out and it would be interesting to hear who You would pick who might reasonably be available as his successor and why you would pick him. Thanks for your time.

{Ed002's Note - I would hope the deal with the fans with the contempt the fans deserve. Your go to Mail or Mirror or whatever told you Zizou would be taking over a few weeks ago - that should be enough for a while.}}


24.) 25 Nov 2018 20:39:58
Thanks ed. And in relation to Jose, should he gain the support needed? Do you believe that he can still take this united team further?

{Ed002's Note - The fans are done with him, the club has already demonstrated their position. I am not sure where this is going.}


25.) 25 Nov 2018 21:25:12
Well I believe he is a world class coach. I hope come January and summer, he will be able to make the necessary moves to bring in the players he wants and move on the players he wants out.

I also am 100% sure that no matter who comes in after, whether it be god himself, 'fans' would be calling for his head too if a few results weren't going their way.

{Ed025's Note - and thats fine angel, im sure if jose turns things around he will be the best thing since sliced bread again mate, this is not something that is exclusive to united though as all teams supporters are very much the same..


26.) 25 Nov 2018 21:35:52
True ed025. Just wish we could be more realistic with our own expectations. I've not been convinced by the bulk of the current squad, many of whom have been there since fergie/ moyes. It's almost like their is a rotten core than hasn't been fully eradicated and no matter the player being added they seem to get sucked into that core.

It's a pattern that has emerged since Fergie left. Players consistently underperforming.

Too easy nowadays to blame the manager.

{Ed025's Note - united can only have one expectation angel and thats to win every competition they enter its the way the club has set itself up for many years mate, success has meant that when things dont go to plan its classed as a catastrophe im afraid..


27.) 26 Nov 2018 10:41:10
Great point Beast. Cannot believe we’re back to the toxics. Unbelievable.


 

 

 

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31 Dec 2018 17:32:37
I've not seen much of him but he's very well rated from what I've read.

We definitely need a RW but I'd like to see Chong given a chance. I'm surprised he's not been included since Ole's appointment does anybody know if he's been injured?!

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Yeah your probably right Ed001. Pie in the sky talk really just thinking out loud thanks for your reply!

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Ed001 - I think that is superb reply and I totally agree with you about SAF. It is my understanding that as his career progressed he took a step back and became a brilliant delegator. He regularly changed his assistants and coaching staff to freshen things up, implement new ideas and keep the players motivated. He became more of an observer which gave him the advantage of being able to assess exactly what was going on at the football Club.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said any new DOF will become the most important person at the Club most certainly from a footballing perspective anyway. They will drive the footballing strategy and vision.

I was always slightly curious why we couldn't have adopted this approach when SAF retired. I think he could have remained in post for a couple of seasons as a figurehead whilst Moyes took control of the team. He would have been a valuable asset and maybe he could have been more actively involved in player recruitment aiding both Moyes and Woodward through a difficult first window. I'd have liked to have seen a slower more measured transition where Moyes was approached and offered the job as head coach ultimately taking the main role the following season or even the season after. It might just have given the Club time to find its feet and put measures in place to fill the massive void when SAF eventually retired. Of course this is all just pie in the sky reasoning but ultimately the great man was always going to retire and maybe his biggest legacy could have been overseeing the next step and ensuring the Club continued to dominate rather than just leaving a vacuous hole they have been unable to fill. Johan Cruyff left Barcelona with a footballing philosophy which has endured for decades even after his untimely death. He has provided the Club with a blueprint and recipe for continued success. I'd have like to have seen Utd follow suit with SAF engineering and planning his own retirement and legacy rather than just leaving suddenly. Of course this all sounds great in theory but I appreciate in reality it's easier said than done. Maybe he just couldn't commit any more of his time and things happened suddenly which we're out of his control. Its all ancient history now anyway.

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{Ed001's Note - I think the problem you had was that Fergie was still around and it never works out when the previous, legendary, manager is still around. Busby stepped upstairs and it didn't help at all. Shankly was causing a similar issue at Liverpool after he quit, so he was asked to stay away. Cruyff went off to rebuild Ajax (if I remember correctly) so he was not there overshadowing his successors. Fergie is too strong a character to just put him to one side, unlike Paisley, for example, who acted as advisor when Dalglish was first appointed up until he fully retired in 1989 and then it all fell apart for Liverpool without him. When you have someone as strong as Fergie, it has to be a clean break or his shadow is over everything.

Your biggest problem was that he was in control of pretty much everything at the club. Great while he was there, but the minute he went it left a massive power vacuum that Eddy Woodwouldward could never hope to fill and Moyes had no intention of getting involved to that degree of micro-management. So you were left with a lot of people who no longer knew who to report to.}


 

 

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Shappy - The exotic name thing wasn't aimed at you pal. In hindsight I should have omitted that. I just think Maguire is universally underrated on here but by no means am I saying he's the finished article. I think he'd be a decent signing but I understand your reservations and take your point about him maybe not being a major upgrade on we've already got. Anyway this site would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion.

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I take your point Shappy but I think McGuire has come in for some undue criticism to be honest.

It remains to be seen if he's a viable target but I think he'd be a solid addition to our team. From what I've seen he's big, strong, very good in the air and good with the ball. He maybe lacks a yard of pace and I've heard people criticise his positioning at times but that's something that can be worked on and will prove with experience. I think he's better than what we've got (maybe Bailly apart) . He's got good pedigree and actually played in the FA youth Cup final against us with the likes of Pogba and Lingard. He's continued to improve at both Hull then Leicester and maybe he deserves a chance to play at a higher level. Sometimes we get seduced by more exotic names but I think he's a good solid player, at the right age that will continue to improve.

I think Lindelof was signed for the right reasons but I just think he lacks the physicality for the Prem League. If Jose isn't going to play him then maybe now is the time to cash in. He's had a good World Cup and I'm sure we'd get our money back at least. I'd definitely cash in on Rojo. He's perpetually injured and apart from a 15-20 game spell where he looked half decent playing next to Jones he's been pretty unspectacular to say the least. I think both Smalling and Jones are solid squad players and have served the club well. I fully agree about Tuanzebe but I'm not sure he's ready just yet.

In relation to the Martial saga just let the boy move on. It's obvious he isn't going to flourish under Mourinho and I see little point in keeping a player that is unhappy and isn't going to help the team. He may develop into a very good player but at the moment he's just not quite there and has shown little interest in fighting for his place. His next move will be crucial and if he's hankering for a move to the likes of Real or Bayern I'm certain he'll find himself in exactly the same position.

Maybe some kind of swap deal with Spurs for Son Heung-Min would interest all parties. He works tirelessly, he can play in any position across the top three including striker and scores goals.

Utd need to start getting creative if we want to see some transfer activity this summer.

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11 Jan 2019 21:42:37
I'd be amazed if we didn't see the same 11 that started in Ole's first game against Cardiff.

Lukaku has done well from the bench but I think he'll have to settle for a supporting role again providing everybody is fit.

I think Rashford's energy, mobility, work rate and pressing ability gives him the edge. Lingard's intelligent movement, tireless engine and his ability to press from the front will also be vitally important. Martial provides us with some crucial width from the left. His dribbling ability and clinical finishing is capable of opening up even the best defensives.

I fully expect us to line up with 3 in midfield. Pogba, Matic and Herrera gives us a nice balance of creativity, energy and steel. Pogba has chiefly operated as the more advanced, attacking midfielder in a sort of left sided No10 position. I think he might operate slightly deeper against Spurs. I think he'll have to be more defensively switched on and this will be a good test to judge just how much he had progressed under Ole. Weirdly come Monday morning if we're talking about how well Pogba defended I'd be quietly satisfied.

For all our attacking intent of late I think the result will be decided on how well we can defend. I think we definitely have the pace, movement and creativity to cause them problems but we'll have to eradicate the lapses of concentration, unforced errors and individual mistakes at the back. If we can do that we might just be in business.

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Mumbles - I accept that pal Ed004 made a good point in that Lingard doesn't really play wide right and is given license to drift inside and get involved in the play. Sanchez will have to do a job defensively down that side with Herrera playing a more holding role and providing cover down the right for when Sanchez drifts inside and Young bombs forward. Sometimes subtle changes in position can either make or break the player and whilst in theory Sanchez should be able to adapt easily to that role I suppose we'll have to wait and see. I'm excited more than anyone by a fit and inform Sanchez but I wouldn't change a winning formula just yet. I fully accept your point and do agree that an inform Sanchez is an upgrade on Lingard. Let's hope Ole shares your vision and that Sanchez can return to form and embrace that role from the right.

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Ed004 - yeah fair point I suppose that could work I suppose Lingard has predominantly drifted in from the right with the full back providing the width!

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Ed004 - Where does Sanchez play? Pogba now operates as the attacking midfielder. No quite at 10 but certainly more advanced and has been making good runs into the box.

Rashford has been excellent upfront and Martial has done well from the left. With everyone fit I can only see Sanchez playing on the right however it's a position he doesn't like and hasn't played for a number of years. Whilst Lingard's final product can be frustrating his movement and energy is excellent and I actually think he's more effective away from home when teams play slightly higher and more expansive.

I tend to agree with Remanutd. I'd stick with the same team if everybody is fit with Jones coming in for the suspended Bailly. The team has been playing well, scoring goals and I think will benefit from some continuity. Whilst Martial on his day is brilliant I still worry about his attitude and application. I think he'll have to demonstrate some commitment and fight this evening and if he's found wanting then we have Sanchez on the bench chomping at the bit.

With Sanchez and Lukaku on the bench we have great options to change the game if needed. I wouldn't change a winning team just yet and I don't think Sanchez's form warrants a starting place in any case. I do concede however that he has proved himself to be a consistent world class performer over the years but we have younger players performing well in the positions he prefers to play and I'm not convinced he'd be any more effective than Lingard or even Mata from the right. It's nice to have some competition for places, it's keeps everyone honest especially in a winning team. Sanchez will have to seize his opportunity when it comes and remind us all of the player we know he can be in my opinion. I don't think we should fall into the trap of selecting players on reputation. With the team performing well Sanchez must be patient and demonstrate that he can be a team player and make an impact when needed. He couldn't have a better example to follow than Ole and the same applies to Lukaku as well. They can leave their ego's at the door as far as I'm concerned and must now do their talking on the pitch.

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{Ed004's Note - I think Sanchez will be fine taking on the role Lingard has been. I cant remember which of the 3 games it was but Lingards average position was central alongside Rashford. During the game they took it in turns covering the right hand side. Martial provides the width on the left while Young provides the width on the right hand side. Sanchez in his last season with Arsenal and during pre season has played his best football centrally with players moving around him}


 

 

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You sound like Mourinho Shan!

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{Ed004's Note - In Rashfords defence, when has he ever gotten to play this many games in a row in his favoured position? The only extended period of time was in his breakout season. I would say comparing him to Welbeck is very harsh. Hes probably quicker, far better technically and strikes the ball far cleaner than Welbeck while being years younger than him. The only thing missing from Rashfords game is clinicalness and composure which will hopefully come from experience.}