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21 Jan 2017 06:48:27
Pep being reported as saying he, rather than his players, might not be good enough. What do others think?
Either way it seems that they have seen reality big Time. They know we have now got them in our sights and are starting to panic.
Is Pep preparing the way to jump ship?


1.) 21 Jan 2017 08:39:53
He's pretty much blamed the players or the EPL after every result, not once holding his hands up to his own lack of understanding of the English game and it can't have done anything for the confidence of the players, so it's long overdue he shoulders some of the blame.

2.) 21 Jan 2017 10:06:37
It was easy to see imo that pep couldn't be considered the best manager in the world until he took a job like city they need a hell of a lot of work to become a Barcelona or a Madrid or united I don't think his acquisition of players in the transfer window was great and maybe his decision to get rid of what could have been one of his biggest allies in Joe Hart was a disastrous one.

Having watched his teams and press conference for many years now he seems like a completely different man over here he looks jumpy and prickly and often befuddled by what's going on .

The look of disbelief on his face when he sees the effort of our so called "small clubs" against his beautiful football makes me chuckle and I for one am glad he didn't get the United job .

3.) 21 Jan 2017 11:43:57
One of the Eds mentioned a year or so ago that Pep's transfer dealings on the whole are poor. Rijkard did the hard yards and pep just polished it at Barce, at Munich he inherited the best team in Europe and didn't really get them to reach that level again. I didn't think he would take the City job because the squad needed a fair bit of work and the players they did/ do have aren't really suited to the style he likes to play.

4.) 21 Jan 2017 11:50:37
I think Pep needs longer for his teams to get to grips than most managers, but that isn't an excuse, it's bad management. He relies on his players being able to play a certain way and many of his current players are not capable, this shows he is a one trick pony. He is making a complete pigs ear of it, just like LVG did with us.

To be called 'World Class' managers is ridiculous to me, if they haven't shown they can deal with difficult situations. If any of us walked into a job and totally destroyed the productivity whilst we waited for it to all click "eventually" we would be sacked rapidly. A World Class manager should be able to 'manage' the transition and make best use of the players they have available as they make the changes for the long term future - knocking a house down and building something new is all well and good, but Man Utd and Man City can't afford to knock their house down, too much competition for that. It took us too long to get rid of LVG and I hope City make the same mistake, although Pep is undoubtedly more likely to get it right eventually much more so than LVG ever was - it's just whether he gets enough time.

Man City are getting their own taste of LVG and I like it. It's not hard to be a manager if you have the worlds best players in your team and they are used to playing a certain way (or can get away with a stark change because competition is minimal) . What's difficult is to juggle short term with medium term and Pep is not showing he is very good at it, he also seems like a spoiled child who is used to everything going his way. I thought he was cleverer than that, but even Joe Kinnear could win things with that Barcelona and Bayern team.

{Ed001's Note - there are other problems with Pep. His way of playing only manages to work for a short period before the players start to lose their way. Which suggest a man management issue.

Secondly, and this is the big thing for me, and very much tied into what you are on about Beastie, with his only one way of playing, his teams only play well if everyone is on it. The minute any one player has an off day, the whole team falls apart. The quick passing has no margin for error built in to cope with players having off days. It then becomes very reliant on having a Messi-type to dig them out of a hole. City do not yet have a Messi to do that.

Thirdly there is his lack of defensive work. Pep does no defensive coaching. His teams are utterly hopeless defensively and rely on keeping the ball as their only method of defence. That is fine when you manage Bayern or Barca in their leagues, as all the smaller sides just roll over for them most of the time. However, in the Prem almost every side gets up for the big clubs and tries harder, if anything. That is something he has no plan to cope with.

I could go on about his tactical limitations etc, but I would end up taking over the whole thread if I did that!}

5.) 21 Jan 2017 13:00:17
Thanks everyone. Pretty well reflects my own feelings. I always thought that we dodged the bullet when he went to Citeh. I agree that at other clubs he was the figure head bathing in the kudos rather than than the driving force behind success. No doubt if he went to somewhere like RM he would regain the recently lost status of a top ten manager.
I am enjoying Citeh's discomfort as they discover they have an LVG clone come out of a great disguise!

6.) 21 Jan 2017 13:31:02
I see him in Paris a perfect situation for him.

7.) 21 Jan 2017 12:20:41
I absolutely agree with everything you say ed we are seeing the unravelling of the enigma I never actually believed he would come over and be the messiah like some did you only had to look at Barcelona whose success continued uninterrupted with tito and Luis Enrique it told me that it was the players and not the manager.

I'm a bit guilty to admit I'm really enjoying watching the weird pressers and watching guardiola flit about like a clucking Renton from train spotting ๐Ÿ˜

Do managers have to do random drug testing ed?

{Ed001's Note - hahaha maybe they should do!}

8.) 21 Jan 2017 12:42:32
Well put Ed and Beast. Couldn't have put it better myself. It all seems very rosy when you have Messi flanked by the best midfield pairing of the generation playing for you. In Spain there is absolutely no physicality involved. It's all very "technical". Premier League is a different beast where you have the likes of shawcross, Reid, jones bulldozing through the back of your players. His soft silky style is good to watch but not always practical. And it hurts most if a certain Aguero has an off day.

Jose is very adaptable and that's why I believe he is a better coach.

{Ed001's Note - Iniesta was the difference for me. He is truly world class.}

9.) 21 Jan 2017 13:00:14
Totally agreed Ed. It's great to be able to coach when you have 80% possession of the ball with far inferior opposition trying to win it back. He is not used to being punished for losing the ball, players like Stones would be perfectly fine in his Bayern or Barcelona teams, but silly mistakes get punished in our league - too many of their players are not great with the ball and switch off.

As you say, you can't afford passengers and too many City players are coming to the end of their careers or are used to earning big money for doing things a certain (lazier) way. It will be very interesting to see how this goes, because there are a lot of teams with very good managers and a lot more suited to this league than what Pep is trying to do. I personally think he will run out of time and his ideas are too easy to pounce on. Most teams will relish playing City, massive scalp with a simple game plan to combat, just like Utd were under LVG.

10.) 21 Jan 2017 18:34:15
and yet city are above united?

pep has a lot of work to do with city and a new league and team to contend with .
city will be there or there about this year and better next year imo

11.) 21 Jan 2017 21:05:59

City had a great start to the season and are gradually getting worse, united had a poor start and are gradually getting better, I think that's the difference.

12.) 21 Jan 2017 21:16:04
Pep sounded almost suicidal after the game today.
I am beginning to think that he does not have the balls to fight back from a difficult situation. In short the premier has found him out

13.) 22 Jan 2017 10:37:23
Sorry I must be mistaken. I thought this was a Manchester United rumoured site. Who gives a fig about Pep and city. We need to concentrate on the fact we are hammering teams in approach play, but can't put the ball in the net. Case in point against Stoke yesterday. These missed chances may be worth a point to us come end of the season, Possibly the one point which may get us back in the champions league

14.) 23 Jan 2017 10:56:49
Rock - you need to go onto the Banter page mate, everything you mention is discussed at length on there.

15.) 23 Jan 2017 19:04:45
I'll do that right now Beast. Thanks for the info

16.) 24 Jan 2017 04:31:43
There are a lot of points here I absolutely agree with but you have to give Pep a season surely?
He came to England to test himself so let him do that before getting too carried away, they had some start and he has an amazing record that does deserve respect.

He's here to prove himself so let's see what he can do after a year or 2 for mine. His ageing defence needed addressing but that is also up to his ex Barcelona mates who run the club to have addressed with their unlimited cash.

I'm willing to bet that all the new top managers we have will experience dips and 'crisis' this season - got know Mourinho got smashed early doors.

Just saying it shouldn't be one rule for one and another for another - give him his window in the summer and see where the land lies.



17 May 2016 07:46:36
Rumours around that de Gea will leave if LVG stays.
If the the club is not big enough for both I'm voting DDG.


1.) 17 May 2016 08:36:49
Hopefully it's true, but I can see maybe being a reason for de Gea to leave as he knows lvg is staying.

2.) 17 May 2016 08:43:21
And reporting now DDG has a release clause 40 million quid effective until June 15th only.

3.) 17 May 2016 10:06:34
I'd even rather see Jones stay than LVG.

4.) 18 May 2016 11:40:46
We need to keep De Gea - end of!

Sell Jones, Rojo, Blind and maybe a few others?

Jones and Rojo are always injured and Blind is not a midfielder!

Shaw will be back and CBJ as cover!

I'd like to see Varane or Marquinhos come in?

5.) 18 May 2016 12:56:48
Hi Ronnie,
Sell Blind? Are you mad? Not only should he have been voted Players player of the season but he has been one of the very main success stories of our side this season. Coached by Berkhamp and Van Basten - great pedigree. Can play CM, LB and has done in my opinion an outstanding job this season at CB. One of the great points surrounding Dutch style is their idea of ripping up the template and trying new ideas, Blind is a fine example of that.
I agree with the other two but Blind has to stay.

6.) 18 May 2016 13:10:21
Completely agree KG. Football is opinionated but how anyone can say Blind has been anything less than a shining light this season is beyond me. He's been one of only a few outstanding players this season, along with DDG, Martial and Rashford.

7.) 18 May 2016 14:15:30
Blind is a good squad player, dependable, adaptable and play a number of positions, must keep him.

8.) 18 May 2016 16:24:23
Thanks Wazza. Very rarely do I question other people's views but sometimes I wonder team some people are watching! Fair play to Ronnie on the other two though, I've never rated Rojo or understood why he plays any match over CBJ. Jones is just another career being blighted by injury, a shame.

9.) 18 May 2016 17:14:46
Rojo is not a top half Premier League player. Lacks pace and tactical awareness. I thought at the time he was a panic buy because he was the only left footed centre back available. I don't know why that is so important these days, it never used to be. I'd rather see a very good right footed player playing LCB than Rojo.



30 Mar 2016 17:36:55
LVG wanted by Dutch FA According to some reports.
Could we be lucky enough for them to want him badly enough to pay a release fee? (probably vain hope that he has a buy out clause)

We ought to get some money back. Shame that sale of goods act doesn't apply. Not fit for purpose, not as described etc.

Not really bashing him, I think he has had a pretty torrid time for someone coasting towards retirement, but fans have had it rough as well. Some recompense would be nice. Won't be holding my breath.


1.) 25 Mar 2016 22:27:22
Chiswick "you're" crazy if you think United would settle for someone who isn't even the best manager in North London, let alone all of London.

Like I said, this is what I've heard and I am sceptical myself. I suspect Chelsea fans would be just as annoyed to see Jose in the Spurs dugout as they would the United dugout so it's win win really.

2.) 26 Mar 2016 11:18:12
He's keeping the family home in London because the kids are settled there, has zero bearing on where his next job will be.

3.) 26 Mar 2016 12:26:28
Exactly WRD. Benitez's wife and kids have stayed in England since he took on work abroad as they were settled. One of the reasons he took the Newcastle job was so he would be closer to his family.

4.) 30 Mar 2016 09:31:01
Maze I too like Coleman and kante Ritchie is a fine player but not hugely better than lingard. I know you like Williams but I don't at all. He is very slow and although he is a good organiser and leader I feel we need a lot better than Williams. I also feel we need another striker although as you say maybe Jose cam get another season or 2 it if rooney but there would need to be a huge improvement which is not easy at 30 plus. Personally I think the new manager should sell rooney and Carrick and start with none of fergie multiple title winners and no cl winners in order to begin a new era.
But I agree that if anyone can get a lady hurrah from rooney Jose is the man. He did try to sign him a couple of seasons back.

5.) 30 Mar 2016 11:18:17
Maze "all premier league proven" just like when Liverpool signed Mignolet, Lovren, Benteke, Allen etc?

6.) 30 Mar 2016 11:51:34
So Ozzy when signed Rio, Rooney, Tevez, Van der Saar etc we got poor players? They must have been poor if Mignolet, Lovren, Benteke and Allen didn't cut it at Liverpool right?

7.) 30 Mar 2016 10:36:01
Ken I agree with you that if there is one man to get the best out of Rooney for the next few years that man will be Jose. Let's be honest Rooney will not be going anywhere in the near future so if the gaffer can get him back to playing top football it will be a dream for the club. Carrick is 50/ 50 to stay and I can see merits of both decisions to be honest.

I have advocated the signing of Coleman for a long time and I feel Kante is exactly what we miss in the middle. I disagree on Ritchie he is head and shoulders above Lingard and even Depay at the moment and that is no disrespect to Lingard and the Dutchman. We also disagree on Williams as even though he is no Usain Bolt I wouldn't brand him slow. He is solid, physical and gives 100 percent and would be a step up on what we currently have.

8.) 30 Mar 2016 12:45:22
Rio an Rooney were outstanding youth products. Van der saar was a proven top class keeper. Williams is around 30 been playing in the league for a few years now yet no clubs gone for him? Despite ourselves, Liverpool, arsenal all in the market for a centre half.

People on here slate lingard but is Ritchie any better? Why spend 15 or so million on an average player who would be no more than a squad player when we have one from our own academy at a fraction of the cost.

9.) 30 Mar 2016 13:14:21
MDH, if your reference is aimed at poch? Then your aim is well off and I would suggest a trip to specsavers.

10.) 30 Mar 2016 13:26:08
Rio played in the champions league and at a World Cup before we bought him, so did Van Der Saar. Rooney was the best talent around at his age while Tevez was World Class and no one had any idea how he ended up at West Ham.

You're naming average players just like the average players Liverpool signed that got them nowhere.

11.) 30 Mar 2016 13:58:19
Ozzy I only used those players as examples as players who we have picked up from the PL who have been a success. The term 'etc' means there are many more. Just to keep you happy I will chuck another some more names at you for your own sanity - Carrick, Saha, Andy Cole, Keane ETC.

By your logic it is reasonable to assume that as Lovren, Allen, Benteke and Mignolet haven't been great for Liverpool that Carrick, Saha, Andy Cole and Roy Keane were poor signings for Man Utd.

12.) 01 Apr 2016 11:22:45
Keane was the best midfielder in the league. Cole had one of the best scoring records in the league. Carrick divides fans. I think he's been great but some on here don't rate. Saha was good but too injury prone.



10 Mar 2016 13:33:02
Potential great news:Rooney has a great offer from China. What do you think are the Pros and Conservative of him accepting?

Personally I think it could be win win all round.


1.) 10 Mar 2016 14:18:23
He won't go. If he is to go abroad it will be to America.

2.) 10 Mar 2016 15:11:04
If they're offering something stupid like ยฃ30 million a year he will go.

3.) 11 Mar 2016 09:41:14
He will never go abroad, I think it has been well documented that his wife is very close with her family and is reluctant to move out of the area. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually goes back to Everton to finish his playing career.

4.) 12 Mar 2016 10:20:10
Rooney won't leave. He has young children and doesn't need the money does he? He will stay for the remainder of his contract on ยฃ300k a week or whatever stupid amount we are paying him.

5.) 13 Mar 2016 08:13:27
It's all about the money halesini, he's shown that on more than one occasion ;) if he's offered ridiculous money for a year or two, he would definitely go.

6.) 13 Mar 2016 09:41:33
Many said he wouldn't go abroad because he couldn't learn the language. The idea of Rooney having to try and learn the Chinese language somewhat amuses me.

7.) 13 Mar 2016 22:42:04
whats the chinese word for granny and donner kebab.




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31 Dec 2017 12:27:36
Just been down the local park. Two teams with "managers" whose only credentials were having the enthusiasm to found and hold together a team. Works with them on fitness, picks the team based on fitness, form and availability (more to do with work commitments than injury) .
No real tactics that I could work out. Just 22 blokes determined to win. I enjoyed it and it lifted my spirits immensely after yesterday's dross. >and it didn't cost a bean. I am seriously considering this as a better relaxing weekend than watching, hoping against hope, spending heaps and being disappointed. No, not disappointed - yesterday was what I have come to expect.
I am going to invest in a lightweight folding chair (I am in my 70's) a decent flask and an insulated box for a homemade pasty or pie. That should cost much less than one ticket for Old (cost a packet) Trafford. Been robbed for too long and no end in sight.

Final post. I wish you all well. Banter on.




30 Dec 2017 21:44:18
If only the sale of goods act applied to players.
Ours are so obviously not fit for purpose, a refund would be issued without question.

Forgetting the up coming transfer window, am I the only one thinking that our better players are going to be actively looking to jump ship?


{Ed025's Note - which are the better ones DW?..

1.) 30 Dec 2017 22:06:08
Hi Ed.
DDG is this the only automatic qualifier for me. Might make a case for Pogba, Martial and Mata.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with de gea DW, the others you mention are part of the problem for me mate...attitude..not so much mata though..

2.) 30 Dec 2017 22:21:34
Mata has the heart, but he isn't physical enough. Shame, only one that shows genuine passion, intelligence (aside from Herrera) . Sadly both of the Spaniards are a grade below the level we need to be operating at.

I'd keep DDG, Jones, Martial, Valencia and Young (as subs), the rest can do one. Either they aren't up to it regular enough or lack the heart/ desire. Our tolerance for 'almost' and 'one day' is killing the football.



22 Dec 2017 07:18:03
There is nothing like the fickleness of fans.
Putting last year's comments together with the last day or so, It is an absolute disaster to get knocked out of a competition that last year was supposedly only a Mickey Mouse cup and not worth anything.
Stuff happens. Move on.


1.) 22 Dec 2017 08:00:34
Itโ€™s almost as if some people just like to overreact and moan on here, surely not though!

2.) 22 Dec 2017 09:16:54
DW and GDS. Personally, I didn't post as our team were not even worthy of a comment. We were shambolic and unfit and unprepared to match their work rate. But if you think that people are overreacting when they see our team out fought and out desired by a lesser team (No disrespect to Bristol city), then it shows how out of touch you are.

If we get blown apart by Barcelona or Real then we can hold our hand up and admit to being beaten by better sides, but we must never think it's ok to be beaten by a side who has more desire and are prepared to work harder. That's unacceptable I'm afraid.

3.) 22 Dec 2017 09:25:28
GDS2 - Or maybe people just say what they think and some class it as an over reaction or a moan.

DW20 - For years Utd supporters classed the league cup as a Mickey Mouse cup and as a club we saw it as a chance to play the youngsters, we also ridiculed teams playing on a Thursday night in Europe, but suddenly that changed last year. The realisation that we were no longer serious title contenders made some supporters revalue these competitions last season and competitions that had previously been subject to ridicule were now our best bet for success. Even this season most people would say if they were honest that on Weds night we lost one of our best chances of success. On Weds morning did we have more chance of winning the League Cup, the league or the Champions League?

You call it fickleness, I call it the stark reality of where we are at the moment as a football club, we are no longer the best team and suddenly competitions that were low on Fergie's radar are our best chance of success.
I would suggest the fact that we fielded a team of 10 internationals, not a team mainly made up of Youth players and still lost compounded people's frustrations. Over the 90mins I thought we didn't play well but if luck was on our side we would have won the game.

4.) 22 Dec 2017 09:54:52
good post keanooh.

5.) 22 Dec 2017 10:33:34
I don't think the fan's are fickle, we just want a team that competes and shows a little of what Utd are all about. We like to see a team performing well and doing their utmost to win the ball back when possession is lost, what we hate is seeing a team backing off and letting the opposition get to our penalty area and having to make last ditch tackles or hope the opposing attackers have an off day or DDG can pull off a string of saves. SAF ensured we had the fittest team in the league during his tenure, the current team looks like one of the most unfit in the top flight. I do not now if there is any concentration on passing training during the training sessions because looking at the matches there can't be any. I'm not looking at the SAF years with rose tinted (I know we sometimes won games when we were fundamentally outplayed) but we got the basics right, the current team has been getting results but IMHO we were outplayed by both West Brom and Bournemouth in our last two league games. The trend of getting outplayed by nearly all of our opponents is a disturbing one and the luck we have been enjoying regarding getting results from such games will surely run out and see us suffering a pasting.

6.) 22 Dec 2017 10:48:28

I said surely not so I agree with you.

7.) 22 Dec 2017 11:59:50
GDS. It's Christmas and thanks for agreeing
Keanooh and georgie have nailed it. I think there is a disturbing lack of desire and work rate in the team. I mentioned it after the Bournemouth game. We also got out fought against City, Bristol City, Huddersfield, Chelsea. The list goes on.
United definitely look the unfittest team around and this lack of closing down or running into space is at the crux of the matter and I have to say that it irks most of the fans who sit in our stand at the ground.
Question is, does mourinho know this and doesn't care or are the players not giving their all for the cause? Whatever reason, it is the worst attitude to have in life. If they try 100% and fail, then most on here cannot complain. But to go out on the field fully knowing that Bristol City were going to be at it and not bother to match them is disgusting.

8.) 22 Dec 2017 16:59:18
Well itโ€™s not something I say often but I agree with Schmid, there does seem to be a lack or effort and urgency. We do loook sluggish compared to pretty much every other team.

9.) 22 Dec 2017 17:38:05
I too find myself on the same side of the wall as NoMid. Who'd have thought, eh NM ๐Ÿ˜€.

10.) 22 Dec 2017 18:06:36
Stevie, weโ€™ve succumbed to the dark side. Use the force Stevie.

11.) 22 Dec 2017 21:25:18
GDS Post was somewhat tongue in cheek and I think I did get a bit of overreaction though a load of comments I mainly agree with.
We are a little sensitive. Sorry to wind you all up, but I really do think the glass is more than full.

12.) 23 Dec 2017 11:51:49
Welcome to the dark side Stevie. ๐Ÿ˜Š. You'll find people like me, stuck in the 70s and wishing we can play football like Docherty's teams. Then we wake up and realise the number 42 56 buses parked in front of DDG and all our midfielders and attackers sat inside the buses as they can't be arsed tracking back or running into spaces. And Jose is the bus conductor asleep due to his own tactics.
Happy Christmas Stevie.



09 Sep 2017 16:55:46
I get a feeling it might not be Liverpool, year. Still they unlike us have, out of necessity, learned patience.
I do fancy our chances though.


{Ed002's Note - No, they learned transition.}



01 Sep 2017 08:02:09
There is nothing as exciting as teetering on the edge of nothing.
Nice one Jose.
Seriously, we have done OK.
I am confident in knowing that we always start slowly LOL. We can always strengthen - Rome wasn't built in a day.

It was worth following the day just to follow some of the headless chicken non dealing. There must be something going on beneath the Radar at Chelsea!





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30 Jul 2017 13:48:25
Some are badly out of touch with the price of wigs nowadays.




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28 Jun 2017 19:10:10
We are already having problems offloading the Roon we have. Not interested in signing his kids Ronnie.




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17 May 2017 21:57:56
Your friend wouldn't be Ronnie?




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01 May 2017 14:19:57
GDS2 - A voice of sanity - thanks.
It never was going to be AOK in just one season, we have every reason to be positive - we are not that far off as where we need to be.
There is still time to satisfy the doubters this year-it just might happen!




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18 Apr 2017 07:19:28
I too see the benefits of an Ibra-less United, but I do not think we are Rashford and the team are quite ready for that that to be permanent.





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15 Jan 2018 16:36:49
Sandwich short of a picnic. ๐Ÿ˜€.




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10 Jan 2018 16:14:36
Don't know 12 days, but hear a rumour that the pope might be.




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30 Dec 2017 22:06:08
Hi Ed.
DDG is this the only automatic qualifier for me. Might make a case for Pogba, Martial and Mata.


{Ed025's Note - i agree with de gea DW, the others you mention are part of the problem for me mate...attitude..not so much mata though..



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23 Dec 2017 07:47:41
I think that they deserve to be INSIDE number 10 more than the present incumbent!
NB Before I get slated or banned - this is a social rather than political statement.




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22 Dec 2017 21:25:18
GDS Post was somewhat tongue in cheek and I think I did get a bit of overreaction though a load of comments I mainly agree with.
We are a little sensitive. Sorry to wind you all up, but I really do think the glass is more than full.