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21 Jan 2017 06:48:27
Pep being reported as saying he, rather than his players, might not be good enough. What do others think?
Either way it seems that they have seen reality big Time. They know we have now got them in our sights and are starting to panic.
Is Pep preparing the way to jump ship?


1.) 21 Jan 2017 08:39:53
He's pretty much blamed the players or the EPL after every result, not once holding his hands up to his own lack of understanding of the English game and it can't have done anything for the confidence of the players, so it's long overdue he shoulders some of the blame.

2.) 21 Jan 2017 10:06:37
It was easy to see imo that pep couldn't be considered the best manager in the world until he took a job like city they need a hell of a lot of work to become a Barcelona or a Madrid or united I don't think his acquisition of players in the transfer window was great and maybe his decision to get rid of what could have been one of his biggest allies in Joe Hart was a disastrous one.

Having watched his teams and press conference for many years now he seems like a completely different man over here he looks jumpy and prickly and often befuddled by what's going on .

The look of disbelief on his face when he sees the effort of our so called "small clubs" against his beautiful football makes me chuckle and I for one am glad he didn't get the United job .

3.) 21 Jan 2017 11:43:57
One of the Eds mentioned a year or so ago that Pep's transfer dealings on the whole are poor. Rijkard did the hard yards and pep just polished it at Barce, at Munich he inherited the best team in Europe and didn't really get them to reach that level again. I didn't think he would take the City job because the squad needed a fair bit of work and the players they did/ do have aren't really suited to the style he likes to play.

4.) 21 Jan 2017 11:50:37
I think Pep needs longer for his teams to get to grips than most managers, but that isn't an excuse, it's bad management. He relies on his players being able to play a certain way and many of his current players are not capable, this shows he is a one trick pony. He is making a complete pigs ear of it, just like LVG did with us.

To be called 'World Class' managers is ridiculous to me, if they haven't shown they can deal with difficult situations. If any of us walked into a job and totally destroyed the productivity whilst we waited for it to all click "eventually" we would be sacked rapidly. A World Class manager should be able to 'manage' the transition and make best use of the players they have available as they make the changes for the long term future - knocking a house down and building something new is all well and good, but Man Utd and Man City can't afford to knock their house down, too much competition for that. It took us too long to get rid of LVG and I hope City make the same mistake, although Pep is undoubtedly more likely to get it right eventually much more so than LVG ever was - it's just whether he gets enough time.

Man City are getting their own taste of LVG and I like it. It's not hard to be a manager if you have the worlds best players in your team and they are used to playing a certain way (or can get away with a stark change because competition is minimal) . What's difficult is to juggle short term with medium term and Pep is not showing he is very good at it, he also seems like a spoiled child who is used to everything going his way. I thought he was cleverer than that, but even Joe Kinnear could win things with that Barcelona and Bayern team.

{Ed001's Note - there are other problems with Pep. His way of playing only manages to work for a short period before the players start to lose their way. Which suggest a man management issue.

Secondly, and this is the big thing for me, and very much tied into what you are on about Beastie, with his only one way of playing, his teams only play well if everyone is on it. The minute any one player has an off day, the whole team falls apart. The quick passing has no margin for error built in to cope with players having off days. It then becomes very reliant on having a Messi-type to dig them out of a hole. City do not yet have a Messi to do that.

Thirdly there is his lack of defensive work. Pep does no defensive coaching. His teams are utterly hopeless defensively and rely on keeping the ball as their only method of defence. That is fine when you manage Bayern or Barca in their leagues, as all the smaller sides just roll over for them most of the time. However, in the Prem almost every side gets up for the big clubs and tries harder, if anything. That is something he has no plan to cope with.

I could go on about his tactical limitations etc, but I would end up taking over the whole thread if I did that!}

5.) 21 Jan 2017 13:00:17
Thanks everyone. Pretty well reflects my own feelings. I always thought that we dodged the bullet when he went to Citeh. I agree that at other clubs he was the figure head bathing in the kudos rather than than the driving force behind success. No doubt if he went to somewhere like RM he would regain the recently lost status of a top ten manager.
I am enjoying Citeh's discomfort as they discover they have an LVG clone come out of a great disguise!

6.) 21 Jan 2017 13:31:02
I see him in Paris a perfect situation for him.

7.) 21 Jan 2017 12:20:41
I absolutely agree with everything you say ed we are seeing the unravelling of the enigma I never actually believed he would come over and be the messiah like some did you only had to look at Barcelona whose success continued uninterrupted with tito and Luis Enrique it told me that it was the players and not the manager.

I'm a bit guilty to admit I'm really enjoying watching the weird pressers and watching guardiola flit about like a clucking Renton from train spotting 😁

Do managers have to do random drug testing ed?

{Ed001's Note - hahaha maybe they should do!}

8.) 21 Jan 2017 12:42:32
Well put Ed and Beast. Couldn't have put it better myself. It all seems very rosy when you have Messi flanked by the best midfield pairing of the generation playing for you. In Spain there is absolutely no physicality involved. It's all very "technical". Premier League is a different beast where you have the likes of shawcross, Reid, jones bulldozing through the back of your players. His soft silky style is good to watch but not always practical. And it hurts most if a certain Aguero has an off day.

Jose is very adaptable and that's why I believe he is a better coach.

{Ed001's Note - Iniesta was the difference for me. He is truly world class.}

9.) 21 Jan 2017 13:00:14
Totally agreed Ed. It's great to be able to coach when you have 80% possession of the ball with far inferior opposition trying to win it back. He is not used to being punished for losing the ball, players like Stones would be perfectly fine in his Bayern or Barcelona teams, but silly mistakes get punished in our league - too many of their players are not great with the ball and switch off.

As you say, you can't afford passengers and too many City players are coming to the end of their careers or are used to earning big money for doing things a certain (lazier) way. It will be very interesting to see how this goes, because there are a lot of teams with very good managers and a lot more suited to this league than what Pep is trying to do. I personally think he will run out of time and his ideas are too easy to pounce on. Most teams will relish playing City, massive scalp with a simple game plan to combat, just like Utd were under LVG.

10.) 21 Jan 2017 18:34:15
and yet city are above united?

pep has a lot of work to do with city and a new league and team to contend with .
city will be there or there about this year and better next year imo

11.) 21 Jan 2017 21:05:59

City had a great start to the season and are gradually getting worse, united had a poor start and are gradually getting better, I think that's the difference.

12.) 21 Jan 2017 21:16:04
Pep sounded almost suicidal after the game today.
I am beginning to think that he does not have the balls to fight back from a difficult situation. In short the premier has found him out

13.) 22 Jan 2017 10:37:23
Sorry I must be mistaken. I thought this was a Manchester United rumoured site. Who gives a fig about Pep and city. We need to concentrate on the fact we are hammering teams in approach play, but can't put the ball in the net. Case in point against Stoke yesterday. These missed chances may be worth a point to us come end of the season, Possibly the one point which may get us back in the champions league

14.) 23 Jan 2017 10:56:49
Rock - you need to go onto the Banter page mate, everything you mention is discussed at length on there.

15.) 23 Jan 2017 19:04:45
I'll do that right now Beast. Thanks for the info

16.) 24 Jan 2017 04:31:43
There are a lot of points here I absolutely agree with but you have to give Pep a season surely?
He came to England to test himself so let him do that before getting too carried away, they had some start and he has an amazing record that does deserve respect.

He's here to prove himself so let's see what he can do after a year or 2 for mine. His ageing defence needed addressing but that is also up to his ex Barcelona mates who run the club to have addressed with their unlimited cash.

I'm willing to bet that all the new top managers we have will experience dips and 'crisis' this season - got know Mourinho got smashed early doors.

Just saying it shouldn't be one rule for one and another for another - give him his window in the summer and see where the land lies.



17 May 2016 07:46:36
Rumours around that de Gea will leave if LVG stays.
If the the club is not big enough for both I'm voting DDG.


1.) 17 May 2016 08:36:49
Hopefully it's true, but I can see maybe being a reason for de Gea to leave as he knows lvg is staying.

2.) 17 May 2016 08:43:21
And reporting now DDG has a release clause 40 million quid effective until June 15th only.

3.) 17 May 2016 10:06:34
I'd even rather see Jones stay than LVG.

4.) 18 May 2016 11:40:46
We need to keep De Gea - end of!

Sell Jones, Rojo, Blind and maybe a few others?

Jones and Rojo are always injured and Blind is not a midfielder!

Shaw will be back and CBJ as cover!

I'd like to see Varane or Marquinhos come in?

5.) 18 May 2016 12:56:48
Hi Ronnie,
Sell Blind? Are you mad? Not only should he have been voted Players player of the season but he has been one of the very main success stories of our side this season. Coached by Berkhamp and Van Basten - great pedigree. Can play CM, LB and has done in my opinion an outstanding job this season at CB. One of the great points surrounding Dutch style is their idea of ripping up the template and trying new ideas, Blind is a fine example of that.
I agree with the other two but Blind has to stay.

6.) 18 May 2016 13:10:21
Completely agree KG. Football is opinionated but how anyone can say Blind has been anything less than a shining light this season is beyond me. He's been one of only a few outstanding players this season, along with DDG, Martial and Rashford.

7.) 18 May 2016 14:15:30
Blind is a good squad player, dependable, adaptable and play a number of positions, must keep him.

8.) 18 May 2016 16:24:23
Thanks Wazza. Very rarely do I question other people's views but sometimes I wonder team some people are watching! Fair play to Ronnie on the other two though, I've never rated Rojo or understood why he plays any match over CBJ. Jones is just another career being blighted by injury, a shame.

9.) 18 May 2016 17:14:46
Rojo is not a top half Premier League player. Lacks pace and tactical awareness. I thought at the time he was a panic buy because he was the only left footed centre back available. I don't know why that is so important these days, it never used to be. I'd rather see a very good right footed player playing LCB than Rojo.



30 Mar 2016 17:36:55
LVG wanted by Dutch FA According to some reports.
Could we be lucky enough for them to want him badly enough to pay a release fee? (probably vain hope that he has a buy out clause)

We ought to get some money back. Shame that sale of goods act doesn't apply. Not fit for purpose, not as described etc.

Not really bashing him, I think he has had a pretty torrid time for someone coasting towards retirement, but fans have had it rough as well. Some recompense would be nice. Won't be holding my breath.


1.) 25 Mar 2016 22:27:22
Chiswick "you're" crazy if you think United would settle for someone who isn't even the best manager in North London, let alone all of London.

Like I said, this is what I've heard and I am sceptical myself. I suspect Chelsea fans would be just as annoyed to see Jose in the Spurs dugout as they would the United dugout so it's win win really.

2.) 26 Mar 2016 11:18:12
He's keeping the family home in London because the kids are settled there, has zero bearing on where his next job will be.

3.) 26 Mar 2016 12:26:28
Exactly WRD. Benitez's wife and kids have stayed in England since he took on work abroad as they were settled. One of the reasons he took the Newcastle job was so he would be closer to his family.

4.) 30 Mar 2016 09:31:01
Maze I too like Coleman and kante Ritchie is a fine player but not hugely better than lingard. I know you like Williams but I don't at all. He is very slow and although he is a good organiser and leader I feel we need a lot better than Williams. I also feel we need another striker although as you say maybe Jose cam get another season or 2 it if rooney but there would need to be a huge improvement which is not easy at 30 plus. Personally I think the new manager should sell rooney and Carrick and start with none of fergie multiple title winners and no cl winners in order to begin a new era.
But I agree that if anyone can get a lady hurrah from rooney Jose is the man. He did try to sign him a couple of seasons back.

5.) 30 Mar 2016 11:18:17
Maze "all premier league proven" just like when Liverpool signed Mignolet, Lovren, Benteke, Allen etc?

6.) 30 Mar 2016 11:51:34
So Ozzy when signed Rio, Rooney, Tevez, Van der Saar etc we got poor players? They must have been poor if Mignolet, Lovren, Benteke and Allen didn't cut it at Liverpool right?

7.) 30 Mar 2016 10:36:01
Ken I agree with you that if there is one man to get the best out of Rooney for the next few years that man will be Jose. Let's be honest Rooney will not be going anywhere in the near future so if the gaffer can get him back to playing top football it will be a dream for the club. Carrick is 50/ 50 to stay and I can see merits of both decisions to be honest.

I have advocated the signing of Coleman for a long time and I feel Kante is exactly what we miss in the middle. I disagree on Ritchie he is head and shoulders above Lingard and even Depay at the moment and that is no disrespect to Lingard and the Dutchman. We also disagree on Williams as even though he is no Usain Bolt I wouldn't brand him slow. He is solid, physical and gives 100 percent and would be a step up on what we currently have.

8.) 30 Mar 2016 12:45:22
Rio an Rooney were outstanding youth products. Van der saar was a proven top class keeper. Williams is around 30 been playing in the league for a few years now yet no clubs gone for him? Despite ourselves, Liverpool, arsenal all in the market for a centre half.

People on here slate lingard but is Ritchie any better? Why spend 15 or so million on an average player who would be no more than a squad player when we have one from our own academy at a fraction of the cost.

9.) 30 Mar 2016 13:14:21
MDH, if your reference is aimed at poch? Then your aim is well off and I would suggest a trip to specsavers.

10.) 30 Mar 2016 13:26:08
Rio played in the champions league and at a World Cup before we bought him, so did Van Der Saar. Rooney was the best talent around at his age while Tevez was World Class and no one had any idea how he ended up at West Ham.

You're naming average players just like the average players Liverpool signed that got them nowhere.

11.) 30 Mar 2016 13:58:19
Ozzy I only used those players as examples as players who we have picked up from the PL who have been a success. The term 'etc' means there are many more. Just to keep you happy I will chuck another some more names at you for your own sanity - Carrick, Saha, Andy Cole, Keane ETC.

By your logic it is reasonable to assume that as Lovren, Allen, Benteke and Mignolet haven't been great for Liverpool that Carrick, Saha, Andy Cole and Roy Keane were poor signings for Man Utd.

12.) 01 Apr 2016 11:22:45
Keane was the best midfielder in the league. Cole had one of the best scoring records in the league. Carrick divides fans. I think he's been great but some on here don't rate. Saha was good but too injury prone.



10 Mar 2016 13:33:02
Potential great news:Rooney has a great offer from China. What do you think are the Pros and Conservative of him accepting?

Personally I think it could be win win all round.


1.) 10 Mar 2016 14:18:23
He won't go. If he is to go abroad it will be to America.

2.) 10 Mar 2016 15:11:04
If they're offering something stupid like £30 million a year he will go.

3.) 11 Mar 2016 09:41:14
He will never go abroad, I think it has been well documented that his wife is very close with her family and is reluctant to move out of the area. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually goes back to Everton to finish his playing career.

4.) 12 Mar 2016 10:20:10
Rooney won't leave. He has young children and doesn't need the money does he? He will stay for the remainder of his contract on £300k a week or whatever stupid amount we are paying him.

5.) 13 Mar 2016 08:13:27
It's all about the money halesini, he's shown that on more than one occasion ;) if he's offered ridiculous money for a year or two, he would definitely go.

6.) 13 Mar 2016 09:41:33
Many said he wouldn't go abroad because he couldn't learn the language. The idea of Rooney having to try and learn the Chinese language somewhat amuses me.

7.) 13 Mar 2016 22:42:04
whats the chinese word for granny and donner kebab.




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25 May 2017 19:29:45
I presume Beast's silence means he is penning an appropriate apology to Jose.


1.) 25 May 2017 23:25:33
why would he? the football has been dross that jose has been playing, its been boring to watch, united are a traditional attacking team let's get someone in who will play with attacking flair.

2.) 26 May 2017 08:10:00
If you build anything, you start with a solid foundation or frame. The fancy bits come later and though nice to look at are not crucial to the whole function of the item. BEAST et al do not seem to understand this basic fact of life. Jose does.

3.) 26 May 2017 10:50:11
Two trophies and let's get someone else in James, eh?
Utd finish top in two competition that they were in, in my eyes that's a good season.

4.) 26 May 2017 17:23:04
hes wrecking our traditions of playing exciting attacking entertaining football, have you not heard the opposing fans shouting hoof everytime the ball gets lobbed up to fellaini? it seems to be jose's plan a, b, c, and d, we are manchester united, not stoke or west brom.



25 May 2017 06:23:00
A great demonstration in front Of LVG that possession stats mean diddly squat.

Just to show that I appreciate Louis' finer moments - Thanks for all the advice you apparently gave to Ajax. From where I stand it worked perfectly. Thank.




21 May 2017 20:59:33
I don't think there is any need to worry about being fined for putting out a weak team.
Well done the youngsters, they have really put down a marker and challenge to our'stars'.
Will we see any of them on the bench for the impending final?


1.) 21 May 2017 21:03:10
I would much rather watch our youngsters play with fire in their belly than watch the emotionless displays we have seen at OT this season.



13 May 2017 06:29:22
Amidst all the kerfuffle going on at the moment can I resurrect an old chestnut?
I seem to remember that the Glazers were rumoured to be going to sell the club after this season.
Anyone know if this was ever true and if so, whether it still is?
What impact, if any, might this have on the much vaunted big spend on high profile signings this next transfer window?




16 Apr 2017 18:17:22
Great show. Great result.
On a separate strand - would be delighted for Spurs if we have helped knock Chelski off their perch.





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17 May 2017 21:57:56
Your friend wouldn't be Ronnie?




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01 May 2017 14:19:57
GDS2 - A voice of sanity - thanks.
It never was going to be AOK in just one season, we have every reason to be positive - we are not that far off as where we need to be.
There is still time to satisfy the doubters this year-it just might happen!




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18 Apr 2017 07:19:28
I too see the benefits of an Ibra-less United, but I do not think we are Rashford and the team are quite ready for that that to be permanent.




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07 Mar 2017 13:27:24
I thought I had made it clear that I was not knocking Zlatan's contribution to this year's situation
. It has been priceless. Was just wondering about what might/? Should? Have been and where that leaves us looking forward.




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06 Mar 2017 16:13:53
I often wonder where we might be if Zlatan had converted just 50% of the the chances that have fallen his way. Anyone worked that out? It could have a bearing on whether he should stay.
NB. I am not knocking his undoubted contribution to what we have achieved but looking forward, is he good enough? Should he start?
After LVG I thought we would take 2-3 seasons to recover. IMO we are well on track.





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18 Jun 2017 15:40:31
He would do a much better job than Zlatan. I think CR would actually enable us to have more chance of success whilst we are still in transition.
All depends on price v value added. A 4yr deal mooted by some would imo frustrate our younger talent and may inhibit high profile younger potential signings.
I'd be in favour of 2,may be 3 years.




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17 Jun 2017 16:57:47
I can see two view points. Business wise the club will sign players that right for the team. An 11 that consists of all the most expensive or "best" players in each position will, almost certainly not produce the best team performance. Too many egos = bad news. There has to be a balance.
However, I do not buy into the "what the hell, it's not our money" argument - at least not completely. The money the club the money has comes from directly supporters tickets. The rest (a Big bit) comes from TV and commercial firm sponsorship be it sportswear sales or millions of noodle buyers in the far east. Guess where these generous contributions come from. For those who have difficulty joining the dots, I think it safe to suggest that it comes out of supporters pockets as we continue to pay ever increasing inflated prices for goods and services. Now, no one is being made to get out the credit card at gunpoint but it is our money or profits from invested past income.
I am a pragmatist, things are as they are. We have to pay the necessary to improve team. To management I say, Don't get taken for a ride (I am sure they don't need to be told) . To others (possibly a very few) - Don't insult us by saying it is not our money - IT IS, in exactly the same way the government funds "free" education and NHS etc etc.
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16 Jun 2017 14:53:37
Beast. I agree whole heartedly for once. Am I ill? Should I see a doctor as a matter of urgency?




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12 Jun 2017 19:11:21
Why are we so keen to keep him when it seems he can't be ars** to look after himself.
Best position? - somewhere else.




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12 Jun 2017 19:08:36
If that is his attitude and knowing that he wants to play (or is that just blackmail? ) pay him, make him train hard and let him rot on the bench.
Alternatively we could see if Moyes will pay for his blunder.